you scream i scream we all scream for.... - Xoom General

ICE CREAM!
is anyone else excited to have ICS (ice cream sandwich) on their xoom?
maybe then will we get some more rom development (props to team tiamat for pwning motorola so far!)
just thought id get the conversation going

Sadly i still don't have the 3.2 update but excited for the ice cream sandwhich? Sure Why not =P
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All for one and one OS for all is what I say!
Majin101 said:
Sadly i still don't have the 3.2 update but excited for the ice cream sandwhich? Sure Why not =P
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You should be excited! From 3.1 to 3.2 is not too much of a huge changelog. Main updates included the zoom feature, and the SD card read but not write. Now, from 3.2 to the alleged 4.0 ICS... that's another story! That's a HUGE update in terms of software development. So much will be added and improved... it's the real update to look forward to, especially since ICS will unite the phone and tablet into one super high quality OS that both will share and work together with. That makes compatibility issues much less complicated. All for one and one OS for all!
I for one, am super excited for ice cream!

i just hope it allows data sharing between the same directories. Like, if I play a game for a bit on my tablet, it updates my phone with my progress.

patass said:
i just hope it allows data sharing between the same directories. Like, if I play a game for a bit on my tablet, it updates my phone with my progress.
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The ability to store settings and data on the cloud was actually added in Android 2.2, few developers use it, unfortunately.
(In fairness the API is kind of wretched)

I gave up on expecting an update for the xoom
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Android's strength was that of fragmentation - different phones coming in different sizes with different hardware.
However this is also Android's weakness as developers have to test on a larger number of devices (and we all know it's financially impossible to own all devices).
With ICS this should level the playing field with Apple - we should then see some new apps coming in for the tabs (and phones!).

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i just hope it allows data sharing between the same directories. Like, if I play a game for a bit on my tablet, it updates my phone with my progress.
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ZanshinG1 said:
The ability to store settings and data on the cloud was actually added in Android 2.2, few developers use it, unfortunately.
(In fairness the API is kind of wretched)
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I am sure I read Rovio of angry Birds fame was trying to get some sort of save-data-in-the-cloud style transfer between devices...

Gorship said:
ICE CREAM!
is anyone else excited to have ICS (ice cream sandwich) on their xoom?
maybe then will we get some more rom development (props to team tiamat for pwning motorola so far!)
just thought id get the conversation going
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Wait.... so is the XOOM going to get ICS? like OTA?

Lothaen said:
I am sure I read Rovio of angry Birds fame was trying to get some sort of save-data-in-the-cloud style transfer between devices...
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That would be a welcome addition. Using Titanium to sync my progress is kinda bulky.

burden010 said:
That would be a welcome addition. Using Titanium to sync my progress is kinda bulky.
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Yes it would indeed!
phone <-> tablet is a pain
Chubby_Skunk said:
Wait.... so is the XOOM going to get ICS? like OTA?
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We hope so - it was demo'd on a Xoom for I/O so I imagine it will - they'll probably be a 'Nexus' type device or other GED out for it - but Xoom will probably get it second (US Xoom).

Yeah i wish the could idea would work for game saves i HATE that i have to root just to get my save files to back them up in case anything happens. And i pray with ICS read and write is enabled for the SD card.

Just-in-time said:
Yeah i wish the could idea would work for game saves i HATE that i have to root just to get my save files to back them up in case anything happens. And i pray with ICS read and write is enabled for the SD card.
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they should introduce an sdcard/gamesave/ directory or something and have all gamesaves copied into that folder...

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they should introduce an sdcard/gamesave/ directory or something and have all gamesaves copied into that folder...
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That would be a bad idea because it would extremely limited where games can save data, and encryption would be more difficult. Plus old games would have to be updated
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the interesting thing is; they are compiting with the apple (according to me apple is compiting with them but still, as compainies it is the goal), and i believe this is why apple and android have the same date of releasing the ew sowtfare; the 4th quarter of 2011..
however apple has introduced the software, the new videos and betas are everywhere but there is no sign of ice cream sandwich yet.. this is risky because since we have no referance point to set our dreams we can dream whatever we want and this leads us to dissappointment in the end because there is no way to guess what they are doing..
so, i guess i am ready for a dissappointment and being suprised at the same time.. i have high hopes for ICS but i am trying to accept my device with honeycomb already and telling myself i did not buy it for ICS..
really, i have been asking to myself; "what kind of software are we dreaming of"? there are android devices with 600 mhz qualcomm cpus and quadcore devices are on the way.. how can they share the same software? there is only one example for that in the history; apple again.. apple updated the iphone 3g last time but they did not put multitasking and menu background due to the performance limitations..
and the other question is; "what kind of changes are coming for us"? android users are more professionals generally, but still i want some UI improvements.. i do not like my app icons are forced to be close only in the middle of the screen.. i want a menu which gives me the impression of wideness, so i will not feel i am drowning in the screen..

>but there is no sign of ice cream sandwich yet..
I skimmed through the 51-min I/O presentation to glean the major upcoming features of Android. The big thing are cloud features (video & music everywhere) which are rolling out independent of the OS. Even for cloud fans, these aren't a big deal, since similar options are available elsewhere. Mentioned in passing was an app-abstraction layer so apps can run seamlessly on any form factor. A "mini-big" deal, but already assumed since ICS is supposed to unify different screen sizes.
The Open Accessory initiative could be a big deal, but again that's not tied to the OS. I looked up "android open accessory" for 3rd-party announcements, and there were zip. The safe bet is if anything were to happen on this front, it'll be next year. Hopefully, it'll fare better than the GoogleTV effort. Logitech is learning the hard way that not all is golden in Android land.
The pie-in-the-sky stuff shown is the @Home initiative (I'm wondering if they had to pay AT&T to license that moniker, since [email protected] was acquired by Ma Bell a while back). It's the old Internet-appliance spiel rehashed and reclothed to Android skin. Judging from the applause level, most peeps in the audience were about as excited as I was.
So, the conservative projection (always a good idea) is that ICS will be what it was announced to be, one OS for all form factors. As explicitly mentioned, it will have the same hologram motif as the present HC, only that now your smartphone can run it as well. Any additional functionality beyond this will likely be minor, else it would've been mentioned. If you're wondering what's "minor," take as a benchmark that cam headtracking made the fit-to-be-announced cut.
Personally, the magic words I was looking for were "peripheral support," or "device support." MIA. I know, kinda boring. I like boring stuff, like using my scanners and printers and cams.
Anyway, I'm happy that 3.2 is out and about at least. That'll allow the 7" toys to show up this year, which is my preferred size. Looking forward to Sept to see what Win8 will have up its sleeve.

Oops, I left out one big feature for ICS, probably the biggest: unlike HC, it will be open-sourced.
Now, I'm sure ROM'ers will all rejoice, and I'm rooting (get it?) on CM8. But my biggest cheers are reserved for those poor bereft Shenzhen souls left out in the cold. YES! THERE'LL BE CRAPPY EL-CHEAPOLA ICS TABLETS AT LAST! ahahaah lemme check DealExtreme again..

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Oops, I left out one big feature for ICS, probably the biggest: unlike HC, it will be open-sourced.
Now, I'm sure ROM'ers will all rejoice, and I'm rooting (get it?) on CM8. But my biggest cheers are reserved for those poor bereft Shenzhen souls left out in the cold. YES! THERE'LL BE CRAPPY EL-CHEAPOLA ICS TABLETS AT LAST! ahahaah lemme check DealExtreme again..
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Honeycomb demoed at CES and it's Android 3.0

But they say, it's for the tablets. :-(
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/05/google-shows-off-android-3-0-the-entirely-for-tablet-honeycom/
EDIT : hopefully , we'll get video chat this time.
I'm actually happy its just for tablets. Tablets need something to make the special beyond "just big phones"
Plus I couldn't imagine how weird it would be with capacitive screen buttons on the phone but honeycomb virtual screen buttons as well?
Well played Google... Well played
Oh yes... sweet yes... portable?
Who knows.
agree 100%. theres got to be something that differentiates tablets and phones. google is moving in that direction. i only hope that there will be a version of HC that will run on phones in a "translated" form to make it more usable on a mobile interface.
Clueless on how to cope with two different sets... but seems they don't give ..... about it.
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sigh, it does NOT say tablet only, it says designed for tablets, a whole of difference.
Told y'all the CNN Honeycomb article leaned toward tablets: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10001097#post10001097
ROM_Guest said:
Told y'all the CNN Honeycomb article leaned toward tablets: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10001097#post10001097
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have you never heard of marketing?
"designed for tablets" is marketing bs. Until someone shows a significant change in the tablet and cell phone hardware, it will continue to be bs. A few applications will need to be changed (like GMail) but the rest is marketing.
descendency said:
have you never heard of marketing?
"designed for tablets" is marketing bs. Until someone shows a significant change in the tablet and cell phone hardware, it will continue to be bs. A few applications will need to be changed (like GMail) but the rest is marketing.
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The screen size is that significant change. It requires quite different application layout concepts (which in turn require OS support).
It could well be, that honeycomb development is focused solely on tablet issues (like being in essence sort of gingerbread "tablet edition") and is worthless in the smartphone context.
Again, Andy Rubin at D: Dive into the mobile said the focus was on tablet but that the new views/pane could be adapted to phones.
That being said wouldn't be to surprise if we have to wait until Google I/O for some of this eyecandy on cell phones.
Oh and Gtalk Video is there...
Honeycomb looks great. I agree that "designed for tablets" its good marketing. They can play the angle that the ipad was based on a phone OS & Honeycomb has been built for the ground up with tablets in mind.
My guess (or atleast what I hope) is that Google will announce Honeycomb for phones as well. They would share the same UI just with one designed for smaller screens in mind. Ideally the phone OS wouldn't need the dual core processing (so fragmentation doesn't kick in). And this way both tablets and phones share the same platform making it a bit easier for developers. Ofcourse this is just the way I am dreaming things up but it does make a bit of sense with Google making Gingerbread 2.4 after all the initial speculation that it would be 3.0. It makes me wonder if Gingerbread was rushed in order to get the next Nexus flagship phone out before the holidays.
lazaro17 said:
They can play the angle that the ipad was based on a phone OS & Honeycomb has been built for the ground up with tablets in mind
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Sure the markets will play that angle I'm sure. Of course the reality is that the iPad was actually designed before the iPhone. So the iPhone is using a tablet OS, not the other way around!
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Honeycomb looks great. I agree that "designed for tablets" its good marketing. They can play the angle that the ipad was based on a phone OS & Honeycomb has been built for the ground up with tablets in mind.
My guess (or atleast what I hope) is that Google will announce Honeycomb for phones as well. They would share the same UI just with one designed for smaller screens in mind. Ideally the phone OS wouldn't need the dual core processing (so fragmentation doesn't kick in). And this way both tablets and phones share the same platform making it a bit easier for developers.
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Provided el goog did not invent any new kind of wheel, I think it is quite safe to assume, that honeycomb "tablet edition" changes are geared to support those new additional screen layouts typical to the tablets.
Like currently developer can define several different layouts, for example one for portrait and one for landscape, screen form factor, docking state, night/day mode etc.
So, there will be additional modes for tablets. And additional UI controls utilizing those modes.
Then google will need to modify all the system apps, I think this makes the most of the honeycomb overhead. To do it properly it is by far not enough to "inflate" your present smartphone apps. Samsung already hacked this into the most of the apps shipped with galaxy tab.
It is actually quite boring if you look at it from the smartphone point of view. More like the new UI skin if at all.
only (put your curse here) would presume Google is ditching the mobile phones to tablets by providing new 'cool' updates to tablets and let the phones rot. almost every person has a phone not every person has a tablet or planning on getting one. Not very good for Google business, so they won't keep (put any Android version here) exclusive to a certain platform.
So this means that Gingerbread 2.3 will remain the flagship OS for phones till the year end or will the Dual Core Motorola Atrix & Optimus 2X can have 3.0 sometime later
android_master said:
So this means that Gingerbread 2.3 will remain the flagship OS for phones till the year end or will the Dual Core Motorola Atrix & Optimus 2X can have 3.0 sometime later
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No. All this means is that 3.0 will be shipping on some tablets in a few months. We don't yet know anything about Android releases for phones beyond Gingerbread.
damn right it looks great!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CenYofDGwoU
edit: thank god that now the confusion that many have regarding the difference between "gingerbread" and "android 3.0" will be cleared up. yes, there are folks like that :eek
Perhaps facets of the UI are Tablet only.
What a stupid thing it would be to fragment Android even further.
Nice UI..BB Playbook task switching still is miles ahead in terms of wow factor and ease of switching.
The apps themselves look great. Once again I have great fear of these 3d aspects bogging things like the Froyo Gallery.
If it doesnt load at lightning speed they will be guilty of overshooting the programming for available HW.
I cant see that UI running smoothly on any current phone including the Nexus S.
The real question, which has yet to have a definitive answer, is when can i actually buy something that runs this?!
Its safe to say that I will be picking up a tablet with Honeycomb this year.

Just in case anyone was wondering, Honeycomb = phones too

About 11:00 into the video interview:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/07/exclusive-interview-googles-matias-duarte-talks-honeycomb-tab/
"What you see in Honeycomb is absolutely the direction for Android."
- Matias Duarte, Director of Android User Experience
I wasn't expecting that Honeycomb would be tablet only. Thnx for sharing
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I wasn't expecting that Honeycomb would be tablet only. Thnx for sharing
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Yeah, a lot of people were thinking it was, which is understandable considering Google had never confirmed it either way until now.
Paul22000 said:
About 11:00 into the video interview:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/07/exclusive-interview-googles-matias-duarte-talks-honeycomb-tab/
"What you see in Honeycomb is absolutely the direction for Android."
- Matias Duarte, Director of Android User Experience
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Thanks for posting the Paul
I wonder if the future of Android phones, post Honeycomb, is to stop making phones with the capacitive buttons (back, menu, home, search) and instead just have purely a screen relying upon Honeycomb's virtual buttons instead?
Probably wont happen but just a thought...
ap3604 said:
Thanks for posting the Paul
I wonder if the future of Android phones, post Honeycomb, is to stop making phones with the capacitive buttons (back, menu, home, search) and instead just have purely a screen relying upon Honeycomb's virtual buttons instead?
Probably wont happen but just a thought...
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He actually goes into it in the interview about "reducing Android's hardware requirements" and that most likely yes, phones and tablets won't need physical or capacitive buttons. But he says they are leaving it open to the manufacturer; if someone wants or needs those buttons, then they can do it. (I suspect Honeycomb phones won't have the traditional 4 hardware buttons.)
Anyway, it's a great interview and highly recommend it; I'm still listening to it on and off.
Just finished that interview. It really puts a lot of things into perspective and gets me excited for the future of Android.
300,000 new activations per day now too. And as was confirmed before, these aren't new rom installs or upgrades, they are new devices.
Ok so
-honeycomb is for phones too
-honeycomb can support hardware buttons
-honeycomb has no minimum hardware requirements
Sooo why didn'they develop honeycomb for nexus one too? Why put efforts developing a 2.3 (maybe even a 2.4) release then?
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elmerendeiro said:
Sooo why didn'they develop honeycomb for nexus one too? Why put efforts developing a 2.3 (maybe even a 2.4) release then?
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Gingerbread is not wasted effort, much of work done there will carry over to Honeycomb. The keyboard for instance, and the kernel changes such as the new garbage collector.
If they wanted to get tablets out the door it makes sense to focus on that initially. They say the new interface scales down to phones too, but I'm sure it will take some extra time.
my dream/wish is something very to what motorola has done with astrix.. but better
Honeycomb phone.... looks like and works like a phone...
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A dock.. looks like a tablet.. but is essentially just a screen with a battery like compartment in the back.
Put the the phone in the compartment..the interface changes to tablet GUI
It will be an irresistible combo!
How does "What you see in Honeycomb is absolutely the direction for android" = "Honeycomb is coming to mobile phones"?
I haven't watch a single second of the interview so he might explained it further there, but the sentence you specifically highlighted out does not mean Honeycomb is guaranteed to come to mobile phones.
Yes, you could interpret it as honeycomb is the direction for android, and since mobile phones run android, we're going to get it for mobile phones right? But it could also mean the honeycomb ui is the direction for mobile phones but we're not going to implement it on mobile phone right now as we're focusing on tablets and we hope to make the ui on both mobile phones and tablets the same in Ice cream(or whatever they end up calling it).
Like I said, haven't watch the vid, but this is my take on the one sentence op took out to state his point.
More video evidence (from last month) that Honeycomb will work on phones:
youtube.com/watch?v=koIzhLaRJJo
At 4:27...
Interviewer: Is Honeycomb just a version of Android that happens to work well on tablets or is it a tablet version of Android?
Andy Rubin: It's both.
Later at 6:10 Andy Rubin elaborates further by mentioning a Honeycomb "Fragments API" which allows developers to define a smartphone and tablet UI for their applications.
Mokurex said:
How does "What you see in Honeycomb is absolutely the direction for android" = "Honeycomb is coming to mobile phones"?
I haven't watch a single second of the interview..
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He gave the link to the video for a reason. You should probably watch it before saying he's wrong.
Mokurex said:
How does "What you see in Honeycomb is absolutely the direction for android" = "Honeycomb is coming to mobile phones"?
I haven't watch a single second of the interview so he might explained it further there, but the sentence you specifically highlighted out does not mean Honeycomb is guaranteed to come to mobile phones.
Yes, you could interpret it as honeycomb is the direction for android, and since mobile phones run android, we're going to get it for mobile phones right? But it could also mean the honeycomb ui is the direction for mobile phones but we're not going to implement it on mobile phone right now as we're focusing on tablets and we hope to make the ui on both mobile phones and tablets the same in Ice cream(or whatever they end up calling it).
Like I said, haven't watch the vid, but this is my take on the one sentence op took out to state his point.
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You should probably watch the video then. One quote is just to make his point. You can't pick it apart just on that fact, it is a basic way to communicate, pick a part of something to start the conversation.
Watch the video, I won't spell it out for you. But Honeycomb is for everything.
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He gave the link to the video for a reason. You should probably watch it before saying he's wrong.
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I have never once said that he's wrong, he's probably correct by all means. My point was that the title of the thread says honeycomb is coming to phone, I clicked in here, see a quote highlighted in bold which doesn't really explain the point and a 20 minute long video. I assume the quote is supposed to be the main point of the video, so that's why I responded based off of that.
I'm not accusing anybody or trolling for that matter, just voicing my opinion in an open forum. Chill guys =)
My apologies if I sounded too harsh. You really should watch the video though, it answers all your questions and is really quite interesting.
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I have never once said that he's wrong, he's probably correct by all means. My point was that the title of the thread says honeycomb is coming to phone, I clicked in here, see a quote highlighted in bold which doesn't really explain the point and a 20 minute long video. I assume the quote is supposed to be the main point of the video, so that's why I responded based off of that
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Why do you think the link to the video is there?
I have some contacts at HTC and was told that Honeycomb update is tablet only and HTC Sense is still possible (killing the rumours that Google might forbid UI skins starting from Honeycomb). So we won't see Honeycomb for phones, but we will see Honeycomb features coming to phones starting with the next Android version (ice cream).
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I have some contacts at HTC and was told that Honeycomb update is tablet only and HTC Sense is still possible (killing the rumours that Google might forbid UI skins starting from Honeycomb). So we won't see Honeycomb for phones, but we will see Honeycomb features coming to phones starting with the next Android version (ice cream).
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who cares what it's actually going to be called though? I suspect that yes, the phone version will get a different delineation than just 3.0 Honeycomb. Probably 3.2 Ice Cream. I guess we'll see it first at the Google I/O event (May 10-11, 2011) and then show up early Fall on the next Nexus model?
The point from the interview though is that even if they call it Ice Cream for phones, it will look and act very similar to what they showed for tablets at CES (no hardware buttons, improved multi-tasking, scrollable widgets, etc). He also mentions that absolutely yes, Android is 100% still open and HTC or whoever can continue to skin.

Is it odd?

Out of all the the companies that have announced Honeycomb tablets, not one of them have laid a finger on Android 3.0? Is Google not allowing this? Or are they simply not familiar enough with 3.0 to make any dramatical changes? I don't think it is us consumers forcing them to do this, as it is very clear Motorola and Samsung will skin their devices as they please... but this struck me as odd that they aren't making any changes to the software to differentiate their tablets from the others.
Does Google want to make sure that their tablets get updated as soon as possible? Or do the manufactures believe that Android 3.0 doesn't need to be altered whatsoever and that stock Android is fine?
I know none of you may have a definite answer but I am very curious. I do know that this isn't a bad thing as people actually prefer stock Android... it just somewhat shocks me that these companies aren't trying to alter these tablets to their liking. All the tablets are essentially the same with a different shell. If this is the case, Google could have just released one Honeycomb tablet on all carriers with a decent price. Of course the answer to this will be "choice", but if ONE (and only one) Honeycomb tablet with a low enough price was announced.. that had USB ports, SD Cards slots, etc. -- we wouldn't have to look elsewhere.
The xoom will get an update for motoblur at a later date.
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The xoom will get an update for motoblur at a later date.
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A Motorola employee said that, but then Motorola itself dismissed that as false.
It was a big race to get the first tablet out the door. It's going to take months to do a 3.0 as they need to re-do it from the group up.
Then perhaps manufacturers have finally come to the realization that google got it right and chose not to sink the money into software development and are sticking to the hardware.
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If you watch the engadget interview with Matias Duarte, they ask him about his thoughts on manufactures laying hands on Honeycomb. He simply smiles and seems like he doesn't want no one changing up the UI. I mean he is the designer for Honeycomb and I doubt anyone would want their masterpiece being murdered by Motorblur and touchwiz! I think honeycomb looks amazing personally. I also think Google wants these tablets to succeed; therefore, leaving them in charge of updating the software, not manufactures like Samsung who never really update their devices.
Unfortunately we still have to rely on the manufacturer to do the updates I think.
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If you watch the engadget interview with Matias Duarte, they ask him about his thoughts on manufactures laying hands on Honeycomb. He simply smiles and seems like he doesn't want no one changing up the UI. I mean he is the designer for Honeycomb and I doubt anyone would want their masterpiece being murdered by Motorblur and touchwiz! I think honeycomb looks amazing personally. I also think Google wants these tablets to succeed; therefore, leaving them in charge of updating the software, not manufactures like Samsung who never really update their devices.
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Tico.ASandoval14 said:
If you watch the engadget interview with Matias Duarte, they ask him about his thoughts on manufactures laying hands on Honeycomb. He simply smiles and seems like he doesn't want no one changing up the UI. I mean he is the designer for Honeycomb and I doubt anyone would want their masterpiece being murdered by Motorblur and touchwiz! I think honeycomb looks amazing personally. I also think Google wants these tablets to succeed; therefore, leaving them in charge of updating the software, not manufactures like Samsung who never really update their devices.
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Not to mention that Goog wants fast to market adoption of apps and the potential behind a store ala Apple.
Allowing third parties to muck around with what users can do has been the whole basis of the 'fragmentation' argument.
If Google uses its power in this case they do have a good chance to steal thunder from Apple, but only if they don't allow for the software and devices to get wildly out of sync as they are now.
And that really only pisses off the consumer, not the manufacturer folk - these hardware makers should be beholden to Google, not the consumer to the manufacturer.
Google needs to put the line in the sand so to speak and take ownership of the app side of the game with regards to the platform.. and as much as it pains me to say so, they need to start enforcing some rules about things.. within reason to their current scope/intention - a few friggin standards/rules would not hurt the platform at all.

[Q]Hineycomb, anyone?

I was wandering around the forums, and ended up being jealous of all the EVO, nexus one and nook color users(possibly more), so I was wondering, will we poor HD2 users ever get a taste of the sweet honeycomb? I'd simply love to see it running on HD2, even if it is a bit laggy. Or a lot since it's the SDK.
woops - I obviously meant Honeycomb in the title
peter768 said:
woops - I obviously meant Honeycomb in the title
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Waaahaha, your killing me man. Great misspelling though
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Waaahaha, your killing me man. Great misspelling though
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ummm not quite the answer I was looking for, but, thanks anyway?
Yes I think like you.
Why we do not see honeycomb at hd2
Honeycomb wouldn't be extremely handy on our phones due to the obvious fact that it's meant for tablets, but I agree that it would be nice to be able to boot it up, preferably from SD, if only for the wow factor, or to test drive the OS if considering purchasing a tablet. I find it a little odd that the usual response for honeycomb questions/requests is that it would be of no use on our screen size, when everybody loves being able to boot Ubuntu, which is made originally for PC's, not cel phones. What's the big difference with Honeycomb right?
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Honeycomb wouldn't be extremely handy on our phones due to the obvious fact that it's meant for tablets, but I agree that it would be nice to be able to boot it up, preferably from SD, if only for the wow factor, or to test drive the OS if considering purchasing a tablet. I find it a little odd that the usual response for honeycomb questions/requests is that it would be of no use on our screen size, when everybody loves being able to boot Ubuntu, which is made originally for PC's, not cel phones. What's the big difference with Honeycomb right?
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Right! But I have a hunch that google will release a phone version as well - now that android is all that popular, google shouldn't cut us off at 2.3.3! I mean, there has to be an update for us as well, hasn't there??
LMAO that's a Tragic Typo. Once on yahoo answers I saw a question that said "At what age should I expect my daughter to do her own hoework and stop need my help?" Anyway, HC is nice but I have a nook and I don't think it will translate to the phone sized screen well. I also have an EVO and I haven't tried it on there for that reason. I think that HC will come eventually, I just don't feel that it will be as good of an experience because of the lack of screen real esate. Hc has a bunch of onscreen buttons and stuff that will probably be too cramped.
huggs said:
everybody loves being able to boot Ubuntu, which is made originally for PC's, not cel phones. What's the big difference with Honeycomb right?
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HC UI is specifically made for tablet screen sizes.
peter768 said:
google shouldn't cut us off at 2.3.3! I mean, there has to be an update for us as well, hasn't there??
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Rumor has it the next MAJOR version of android (Ice Cream) will attempt to unify gingerbread and honeycomb...or at least bring some elements of HC to phones.
The next MAYOR version of android (icecream) won't be happening for a while, since the word on the net is that the next version of android is 2.4, and there's not gonna be sufficient changes on the OS to require a name change, like when android went from 2.0 to 2.1 it stayed with the name Eclair, so when we get 2.4 it's still gonna be Gingerbread, so I wouldn't expect IceCream to be around 'til 2.5 maybe. We're certainly not getting an official version of Honeycomb for our phones.
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HC UI is specifically made for tablet screen sizes.
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well, shouldn't we able to work this out with a tweak in LCD density??
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[Q] Update to Ice Cream and Tablet Apps

Okay, I've been waiting for the day... June 17th. Very sold on the hardware and looks, just not totally sold on Honeycomb and Sammy.
Q1: Is Sammy dedicated to upgrading the tablet in Q4 2011 to Ice Cream?
Q2: Are there really only 50+ tablet specific apps (major request)?
Q3: Honeycomb experience and consistency?
I've read two reviews so far that say the controls for honeycomb are all over the place, app drawer upper right, back and home buttons lower left, notifications lower right, app icons anywhere.... come on where's the consistency?
Sammy's UX. I'm one of the few that like Touchwiz, but I have grown tired of waiting for the updates on my Vibrant, if Touchwiz is going to slow my experience down with updates, no thank you to both. Knowing Sammy, they'll require you to download it.
Honest Answers Please
1. No one knows. However, Samsung is one of the companies who is promising to provide upgrades for 18 months on all their new devices. This was announced at Google I/O on day 1. It's not entirely clear what this means though..
2. 50+ means anything above 50 so.. yes, there are "only" 50+ apps, and there always will be.
You can find a good, up to date, list of tablet optimized apps here
there are 162 apps + 55 games on that list. Sure, it's not that many but I can do essentially everything I'd like to on my tablet. The official facebook and twitter apps basically suck, but I use tweetcomb and friend me. They work just fine. The only other app that I would really like is skype. the skype app works but it's not optimized for tablets and, of course, can't do video. this will never happen though, because skype is now owned by microsoft.
it all depends on what you want to do with your tablet, but I certainly do not find that there's anything lacking. I think the main complaint that most people have is the games. I honestly cannot figure out why anyone would want to game on their tablet though.. I play games on my phone when I'm out and I play games on my xbox or pc when I'm at home. I have no use for games on a tablet. However, I have bought a few games on my tablet just to try them out(and because I want to support android devs) and some of them are very good. All the ones in the tegra zone are pretty solid and there are a few other that are quite good.
3. This is all personal preference, isn't it? I like it the way it is but maybe that's just me. Some people like a boring-ass grid of static icons.. that, I will never understand.
Edit: I would also like to see tablet optimized xda and wikipedia apps. However, the browser works just fine for both of these.
+1 for XDA app optimized for Android tablet OS!
Does Tapatalk optimized for Honeycomb?
xdarooted said:
Q1: Is Sammy dedicated to upgrading the tablet in Q4 2011 to Ice Cream?
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I'm praying BIG TIME that my Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 experience is NOTHING like my Samsung Galaxy S Vibrant experience.
If it is, then I expect the Android Ice Cream Sandwich update sometime the Summer of 2012.
But some people insist Samsung has gotten better. So I hope so.
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1. No one knows. However, Samsung is one of the companies who is promising to provide upgrades for 18 months on all their new devices. This was announced at Google I/O on day 1. It's not entirely clear what this means though..
2. 50+ means anything above 50 so.. yes, there are "only" 50+ apps, and there always will be.
You can find a good, up to date, list of tablet optimized apps here
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THANKS, good answers. I'm planning on reading and gaming, I don't have the xbox and ps3 or wii. Just my quad core pc. I don't do the tweeting and I try to avoid facebook all together. Jeez, I'm really not convinced on moving to this tablet if the dev community can't keep up to support the os...
50 or 165 and 55 games, doesn't that concern anyone?
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THANKS, good answers. I'm planning on reading and gaming, I don't have the xbox and ps3 or wii. Just my quad core pc. I don't do the tweeting and I try to avoid facebook all together. Jeez, I'm really not convinced on moving to this tablet if the dev community can't keep up to support the os...
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I would like to see more apps that are tablet specific. I'm buying a tablet for the tablet experience, not a ton of phone apps that look huge.
gogol said:
+1 for XDA app optimized for Android tablet OS!
Does Tapatalk optimized for Honeycomb?
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You get full screen forum views with Tapatalk, not stretched phone app.
Still on the fence!
Okay, do I really need 90,000 apps on ipad2, will i even come close to using a quarter of them? On the other hand is 165 or so enough tablet specific apps? I'm reading through the list and there's some good apps and variety, but when will there be tons and will it be worth the wait?
Please lets not veer off topic and start calling me an ifanboy, it's my friend that is the ifanboy... Anyway besides being locked into the ipad/apple experience, the option of 90,000 choices of apps is very very appealing.
What else am I missing software wise... do people like using honeycomb 3.1 on a day to day basis?
Please don't talk about the resizable widgets... that is trivial.
xdarooted said:
Okay, do I really need 90,000 apps on ipad2, will i even come close to using a quarter of them? On the other hand is 165 or so enough tablet specific apps? I'm reading through the list and there's some good apps and variety, but when will there be tons and will it be worth the wait?
Please lets not veer off topic and start calling me an ifanboy, it's my friend that is the ifanboy... Anyway besides being locked into the ipad/apple experience, the option of 90,000 choices of apps is very very appealing.
What else am I missing software wise... do people like using honeycomb 3.1 on a day to day basis?
Please don't talk about the resizable widgets... that is trivial.
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using my 10.1v for over a month, i'm really surprised how great most of the android-phone apps work on my tablet! if those applications are programmed in a proper way, you won't recognize any great differences between a phone and a tablet - android app! i use most of my phones' apps on the tablet and i really love it.
so it's not that you have just about 200 apps for your tablet! go on and try it! the apps just won't be stretched or zoomed in like on the ipad (had one before).
the only excpetion is when it comes to games.

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