Hey guys,
So, the wife decided to get an Android and we bought the HTC Wildfire S. This low-end (or mid-range?) device packs a 600MHz CPU, 512MB RAM and Android 2.3.3.
When we first turned it on, I noticed opening-closing apps was so fast that I was shocked, really shocked, compared to my SGS. This was the first time I was able to actually compare two Android phones. She has been using it for like a month now, and the phone is as fast as when we bought it.
On my SGS I am on stock XXJVO + Voodoo Lagfix, nothing else. Just standard apps installed and LauncherPro (paid). However, I feel that opening and closing apps is not as fast as the Wildfire S. It takes a few seconds to change interfaces, and what bothers me more is that it takes like 2 seconds to close an app and show the homescreen (pressing the back button several times, I don't use Home much).
On the Wildfire S you can browse through the interfaces extremely fast, everything opens and closes immediately. There is absolute no lag at all, really, no matter what app you're closing.
My question is, why is the SGS feels so laggy and slow compared to a low-end phone like the Wildfire S? Is it the ROM I'm using? Is it the launcher? I've tried rebooting it, battery pull and everything, but still, its slow.
I'd love to hear your input on this. Have you guys experienced some sort of laggyness when opening-closing apps as well? Or is it just my phone?
Thank you all!
I've compared the Desire S with and without a custom ROM to my Galaxy S, and for some reason HTC Sense is just really fast and with custom ROM was about the same as my Galaxy S. So I guess it's just HTC Sense.
Install Cyanogenmod 7. Makes the SGS far faster than the wildfire s and makes the Samsung ROMs like JVO look prehistoric.
Insanity cm.....all is instant
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Heritz said:
Hey guys,
So, the wife decided to get an Android and we bought the HTC Wildfire S. This low-end (or mid-range?) device packs a 600MHz CPU, 512MB RAM and Android 2.3.3.
When we first turned it on, I noticed opening-closing apps was so fast that I was shocked, really shocked, compared to my SGS. This was the first time I was able to actually compare two Android phones. She has been using it for like a month now, and the phone is as fast as when we bought it.
On my SGS I am on stock XXJVO + Voodoo Lagfix, nothing else. Just standard apps installed and LauncherPro (paid). However, I feel that opening and closing apps is not as fast as the Wildfire S. It takes a few seconds to change interfaces, and what bothers me more is that it takes like 2 seconds to close an app and show the homescreen (pressing the back button several times, I don't use Home much).
On the Wildfire S you can browse through the interfaces extremely fast, everything opens and closes immediately. There is absolute no lag at all, really, no matter what app you're closing.
My question is, why is the SGS feels so laggy and slow compared to a low-end phone like the Wildfire S? Is it the ROM I'm using? Is it the launcher? I've tried rebooting it, battery pull and everything, but still, its slow.
I'd love to hear your input on this. Have you guys experienced some sort of laggyness when opening-closing apps as well? Or is it just my phone?
Thank you all!
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yes its true no matter what roms ive used but comparing to my motorola nd other low end spice i think sgs shld ave been much or twice fast but boldly its not...even my nokia touch is much better than it.but still sgs rules on screen,size,feel...so i wonder when a 2ghz dual core phone comes out,wat will sgs look like....
rocky23 said:
yes its true no matter what roms ive used but comparing to my motorola nd other low end spice i think sgs shld ave been much or twice fast but boldly its not...even my nokia touch is much better than it.but still sgs rules on screen,size,feel...so i wonder when a 2ghz dual core phone comes out,wat will sgs look like....
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I have found that LPP is really laggy with gingerbread update. Maybe, even before. I had been using only launcher pro for more than 4-5 months, and was surprised by the speed, when I switched to another launcher. Some operations, like adding shortcut to applications or even adding widgets would take a long time in launcher pro.
Have you tried other home launchers?
FYI, I have tried some low-end phones (HTC wildfire, Dell XCD 35 aka ZTE Blade) and some decent ones (Nexus S,HTC Desire(not much),SE Arc,SE X10,SGS 2)..
And,I find a proper SGS (custom ROM based on stock+custom kernel ) to be perform similar to a Nexus S or SE Arc.
Since the i9000 launch there was some serious lag problems with the Galaxy S, otherwise lag fixes wouldn't be popular as they were (and probably still are).
Things got better with newer firmware versions but the fact is the problem never really got entirely solved.
Currently I have stock 2.3.4 JVP and after flashing and wiping the phone was really fast. My problem is that as time goes by, and you start installing apps, music, content, etc. the performance decreases noticeably and even benchmarks such as Quadrant start getting lower scores as time passes by.
I've never seen this behaviour in other systems like iOS or WP7, and even on other Androids I believe the problem does not exist or the user doesn't notice it as much as with the SGS.
Quad-core 1Ghz, 3D Samoled+! O.O
Sorry, OT.
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CM7> AOSP > HTC Sense > Samsung TW > LG
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I have no idea what you are moaning about. No issues with the phone. Compared to my Xperia X10a and HTC HD2, this one is very nice indeed.
Ctcng said:
Since the i9000 launch there was some serious lag problems with the Galaxy S, otherwise lag fixes wouldn't be popular as they were (and probably still are).
Things got better with newer firmware versions but the fact is the problem never really got entirely solved.
Currently I have stock 2.3.4 JVP and after flashing and wiping the phone was really fast. My problem is that as time goes by, and you start installing apps, music, content, etc. the performance decreases noticeably and even benchmarks such as Quadrant start getting lower scores as time passes by.
I've never seen this behaviour in other systems like iOS or WP7, and even on other Androids I believe the problem does not exist or the user doesn't notice it as much as with the SGS.
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exactly my thoughts.
I like samsung - i was also considering buying the second sgs, however decided to wait for a nice ice cream at the year end.
In any case, i am disappointed about the money i spent for the sgs.
I had higher expectations - i am talking about stock roms, now jvo, as when im
buying a product, i expect the support to be done by the manufacturer and not
myself, and at my own risk..
And something offtopic: the alarm bug hasnt even been officially fixed right?!!?
Try JVQ at least. It's the best gingerbread rom to date.
Heritz said:
Hey guys,
So, the wife decided to get an Android and we bought the HTC Wildfire S. This low-end (or mid-range?) device packs a 600MHz CPU, 512MB RAM and Android 2.3.3.
When we first turned it on, I noticed opening-closing apps was so fast that I was shocked, really shocked, compared to my SGS. This was the first time I was able to actually compare two Android phones. She has been using it for like a month now, and the phone is as fast as when we bought it.
On my SGS I am on stock XXJVO + Voodoo Lagfix, nothing else. Just standard apps installed and LauncherPro (paid). However, I feel that opening and closing apps is not as fast as the Wildfire S. It takes a few seconds to change interfaces, and what bothers me more is that it takes like 2 seconds to close an app and show the homescreen (pressing the back button several times, I don't use Home much).
On the Wildfire S you can browse through the interfaces extremely fast, everything opens and closes immediately. There is absolute no lag at all, really, no matter what app you're closing.
My question is, why is the SGS feels so laggy and slow compared to a low-end phone like the Wildfire S? Is it the ROM I'm using? Is it the launcher? I've tried rebooting it, battery pull and everything, but still, its slow.
I'd love to hear your input on this. Have you guys experienced some sort of laggyness when opening-closing apps as well? Or is it just my phone?
Thank you all!
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i must say I totally agree with OP ! my sgs is also laggy. I am on f1 sgs2 rom. with galaxian kernel, with ext 4 lagfix and oc to 1.2 Ghz. but still it takes way to long, to open apps of any kind... and it just lags randomly all the time. have reinstalled several times according to instructions so dont tell me to do factory reset
I think the best gingerbread I have tried was jvh. app launch was the nearest to instant I have seen.
but I think the most lagfree experience must be froyo jp6 or jpy with speedmod kernel.
and to be honest since jp6 the browser has been a joke... :-(
its said that jvq browser is better, but only on odexed roms...
sadly I think that the support for the sgs is nearly over... and I have lost faith that samsung will free my sgs of lag :-(
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Try JVQ at least. It's the best gingerbread rom to date.
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Still way slower than my old nexus one running gingerbread. It runs rings around cm7 even. Everything is instant and faultless.
Op is right.
If nexus one had samoled screen and better speakers I'd be like,
what's a galaxy s?
Having said that I prefer the gs1 to nexus s.
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Try JVQ at least. It's the best gingerbread rom to date.
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my bad, that is what i am using.
It was impressive at the beginning, however not anymore.
lag is back, the alarm bug is still on, and some recent random restarts started.
I know there are fixes etc - but its worth noting that the hardware will die unutilised at least when it comes to official roms from samsung.
The lag issue is a common theme with the SGS. Not sure how long you have owned your SGS but I believe the SGS still has better hardware but the lag develops over time.
So when I first got me SGS in June last year, it was great at the start. Then the lag came in and I tried OneClick Lagfix based on xda advice. That seemed to work for a bit but then slowed down again. In November, I flashed my first custom rom (Darky 8.5), the used the Speedmod Lag fix. Same thing, good at the start, then slows down. I kept trying a few others (Darky 9.2, 10.1, DebusRom, ExtraOrdinary, Chebon) and the longest I stayed on before noticing the lag was about 1 month.
One of the steps suggested before a flashing a rom is to undo lagfix and recommended to do a wipe as the freshest install. Doing this seems to refresh the speed as it was at the start (so constant flashing seems to make things quicker).
Something also to try if you don't want to try a new rom or firmware, is to undo and redo the lagfix. Almost like defragmenting but it seems to refresh the system (imho).
I have also heard some of the latest firmwares (JVQ) have better implementations of the filesystem and have heard some people not using lagifx at all. Given you have installed lagfix, you aren't that far from installing a new firmware/rom (just back up your files obviously). I haven't been on JVQ long enough to see if this truly fixes the issue though.
Just my thoughts.
Heritz said:
Hey guys,
So, the wife decided to get an Android and we bought the HTC Wildfire S. This low-end (or mid-range?) device packs a 600MHz CPU, 512MB RAM and Android 2.3.3.
When we first turned it on, I noticed opening-closing apps was so fast that I was shocked, really shocked, compared to my SGS. This was the first time I was able to actually compare two Android phones. She has been using it for like a month now, and the phone is as fast as when we bought it.
On my SGS I am on stock XXJVO + Voodoo Lagfix, nothing else. Just standard apps installed and LauncherPro (paid). However, I feel that opening and closing apps is not as fast as the Wildfire S. It takes a few seconds to change interfaces, and what bothers me more is that it takes like 2 seconds to close an app and show the homescreen (pressing the back button several times, I don't use Home much).
On the Wildfire S you can browse through the interfaces extremely fast, everything opens and closes immediately. There is absolute no lag at all, really, no matter what app you're closing.
My question is, why is the SGS feels so laggy and slow compared to a low-end phone like the Wildfire S? Is it the ROM I'm using? Is it the launcher? I've tried rebooting it, battery pull and everything, but still, its slow.
I'd love to hear your input on this. Have you guys experienced some sort of laggyness when opening-closing apps as well? Or is it just my phone?
Thank you all!
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This shocking,i had the wildfire,and have to say that i experienced totally different things than you.It was laggy,slow.Then i rooted the phone,and changed the sense crap to a different rom,then there was no lag.phone worked smoothly.as for my SGS,the stock thing is laggy.It gets much better only changing the kernel to Galaxian.
I gotta try that Galaxian kernel. Changing to other phone constantly inhabits my mind, to something more reliable.
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nesx87 said:
In any case, i am disappointed about the money i spent for the sgs.
I had higher expectations - i am talking about stock roms, now jvo, as when im
buying a product, i expect the support to be done by the manufacturer and not
myself, and at my own risk..
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Manufacturer? It's not even that simple. A friend has a stock one and it works nicely (for stock). Another friend has another stock one and lags horribly, force closes, freezes, has trouble with dropped calls. The difference? They are on different operators so the crap that they bundle together is so different that it makes or breaks the phone.
Hrithan2020 said:
I have found that LPP is really laggy with gingerbread update. Maybe, even before. I had been using only launcher pro for more than 4-5 months, and was surprised by the speed, when I switched to another launcher. Some operations, like adding shortcut to applications or even adding widgets would take a long time in launcher pro.
Have you tried other home launchers?
FYI, I have tried some low-end phones (HTC wildfire, Dell XCD 35 aka ZTE Blade) and some decent ones (Nexus S,HTC Desire(not much),SE Arc,SE X10,SGS 2)..
And,I find a proper SGS (custom ROM based on stock+custom kernel ) to be perform similar to a Nexus S or SE Arc.
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You were right. LP was lagging the phone as hell, mostly when going back to the homescreen and closing apps. I gave TouchWiz a run for a straight hour, playing games, opening and closing emails, browsing G+, Maps and several other apps, it never lagged when going back to the homescreen, which is what worries me most. I still need to try it on everyday use though.
Time to find another launcher. Any recommendations?
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Hi, I've seen a couple of lag fixes out there and they seem to be working well. But why is it lagging? Slow rom/internal memory card? Bad FAT32 filesystem as one of the fix developers said in a thread?
I am curious about this because if it's hardware problem then I might wait for a bit longer before upgrading my phone and Samsung may be already working on it, but if it's just software then I like to get a new phone now (from my good old E71)
thanks a lot!
qiu said:
Hi, I've seen a couple of lag fixes out there and they seem to be working well. But why is it lagging? Slow rom/internal memory card? Bad FAT32 filesystem as one of the fix developers said in a thread?
I am curious about this because if it's hardware problem then I might wait for a bit longer before upgrading my phone and Samsung may be already working on it, but if it's just software then I like to get a new phone now (from my good old E71)
thanks a lot!
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While the 16gb hardware is slower then the 1gb rom used it is not why it is lagging..what is causing the lag is Samsung decided to use their proprietary RFS file system which either does not work well with Android in general or has too big of a footprint aka inefficient thus causing a bottleneck of the I/O
cheers, then what about the leaked 2.2 ROM? Has Samsung done any improvement in the I/O performance at all?
I really like this phone but the laggy issue is annoying.
Well looks like not all galaxy s are lagging. You can find many people on forum without this problem. I'm one of them. 55 apps, adw, no task killers and no lags at all.
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K0v4L said:
Well looks like not all galaxy s are lagging. You can find many people on forum without this problem. I'm one of them. 55 apps, adw, no task killers and no lags at all.
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You can count me in on that one.
this is what i posted on another topic
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7834736&postcount=9
AllGamer said:
i'll disagree with the lag
i'm still using the stock ROM on mine, and i don't experience the lags some people are having.
i can browse fast, switch apps fast, play audio/video fast, launch GPS app fast, and get a lock fast even when the car is moving on the road already
i do leave stuff like Fring running in the backgroup for my IM and video calls, meanwhile the music player plays via Bluetooth to the car Deck or BT headphones, and using GPS to check my route for speed, traffic jam, etc.
email is constantly syncing, set to auto sync every hour
if i want to check the weather it loads up instantly
using stock JH2 ROM
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thanks a lot, you guys. But which Galaxy s are you using? Maybe there is a superior version or....I am in the UK so probably the international version?
i have the uk version, bought2 weeks ago. I noticed little lag, nothing major at all.
I decided to do the lag fix and the phone is now realllllyyyy fast with no lag
UK version from o2
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qiu said:
thanks a lot, you guys. But which Galaxy s are you using? Maybe there is a superior version or....I am in the UK so probably the international version?
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yes UK unlocked version is the international version, the same one from HK, and Singapore and many other countries from the old continent.
Except Korea / Brazil / China / USA they have their own.
I'm finally getting 0 lag too now I flashed to JM6 (I got lag on every other firmware). My Compass works for the first time too. I haven't tried GPS testing yet but my hopes are up. You may want to give JM6 a try.
afaik recent firmwares (jh2 for ex) have a fixed RFS driver that doesnt lag up and fragments, whatever the real technical reason is why Rfs is slow on first generation firmwares, so the "not all get it" isn't really just "luck" stuff.
actually this regular "my phone dont do this ur just unlucky" is just some form of disinformation that is pretty much annoying.
you can check if you get 1500+ in quadrant, you don't have the issue (and IO tests go through quickly), otherwise, you do
bilboa1 said:
afaik recent firmwares (jh2 for ex) have a fixed RFS driver that doesnt lag up and fragments, whatever the real technical reason is why Rfs is slow on first generation firmwares, so the "not all get it" isn't really just "luck" stuff.
actually this regular "my phone dont do this ur just unlucky" is just some form of disinformation that is pretty much annoying.
you can check if you get 1500+ in quadrant, you don't have the issue (and IO tests go through quickly), otherwise, you do
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The stock galaxy s only gets about 800 in quadrant, but that score is only bettered by the nexus running froyo. It scored better than nexus on 2.1, desire and a gamut of other phones. But I do not read about these phone owners gripping about lag or need to go above 1500 in quadrant. Why?
Frankly, I have done the lag fix and my quadrant score is now 2137. But I do not feel any significant difference than when it was only 800. In other words, I dun feel that the phone was slow before the fix.
thanks everyone, I've got to say this is the most helpful forum I've ever been to.
gonna call Three for a upgrade offer
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you can check if you get 1500+ in quadrant, you don't have the issue (and IO tests go through quickly), otherwise, you do
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Umm.. Don't take Quadrant for gospel. You could dump most of the OS on RAMdisk and you'll get awesome scores. We need a few test cases to ACCURATELY demonstrate the problem reliably, because quadrant only tests a few cases...
After installing the lag fix I noticed things were hanging more than normal. Un-installed it and things are fine again. Not sure if it was just something I had installed or what, but my phone still feels as 'fast' as after the fix.
yay!!!!!!!! i found my very first lag today
i had running media player over BT, GPS copilot, GPS mytracks, video Fring, and got the super mario running in the live wall paper
everything was able to funtion properly with some delay of course, with the exception of mytracks and media player
i'll try to reproduce the problem and see if i can pinpoint which of the 2 program is causing the lag (mytrack vs samsung media player)
Quadrant scores really have **** to do with everyday performance for the majority of people. You can post up 2300 in Quadrant and still experience lag during normal use. Think of it like 3DMark vs. Actual game performance on a PC.
Every phone is susceptible to the lag problem as every galaxy s uses Samsung's proprietary rfs format. Also, Crapwiz is part of the problem. The sooner Samsung and other manufacturers get their heads out of their asses and offer their products with stock android, the better. Give people the option of using Sense or Crapwiz but dont force it on them.
It speaks volumes to the quality of Samsung programmers when Launcher Pro is smoother while running on top of Crapwiz than Crapwiz by itself. The sooner the ASOP ROM is finished, the sooner the phone becomes more pleasant to use by those of us who dont need shiny things, facebook/twatter and iphone ui clones waved constantly in front of us.
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Personally, i noticed slight lag.. very very slight lag or hanging when opening some apps for the first time.
However after upgrading to JM1, i haven't noticed that at all. Not saying it is solved. This has just been my experience.
kgk888 said:
Quadrant scores really have **** to do with everyday performance for the majority of people. You can post up 2300 in Quadrant and still experience lag during normal use. Think of it like 3DMark vs. Actual game performance on a PC.
Every phone is susceptible to the lag problem as every galaxy s uses Samsung's proprietary rfs format. Also, Crapwiz is part of the problem. The sooner Samsung and other manufacturers get their heads out of their asses and offer their products with stock android, the better. Give people the option of using Sense or Crapwiz but dont force it on them.
It speaks volumes to the quality of Samsung programmers when Launcher Pro is smoother while running on top of Crapwiz than Crapwiz by itself. The sooner the ASOP ROM is finished, the sooner the phone becomes more pleasant to use by those of us who dont need shiny things, facebook/twatter and iphone ui clones waved constantly in front of us.
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We don't know thats the cause.. Someone said the reason RFS was slow is that "it doesn't buffer stuff" before.. But never seen confirmation. So anyone have actual proof its RFS?
I was on the stock firmware DJF4 and this has lots of lag. I have about 200+ apps installed and it usually takes a long time to boot up (esp Appdrawer). And after using awhile with it, even opening phone/messaging/contact lags 2-5 secs.
I upgraded to the official DJG4 yesterday and now the phone performs much better and battery life has improved (i.e. the standby time increased 30-50%) with the same apps/configuration of the old firmware.
After 36 hours with the new firmware, I daresay the lag issue is now gone. The DJG4 firmware also comes with handy task manager. Free RAM now seldom goes below 60MB. I tested by opening 20-30 apps over and over and there is still no lag. And I dont even have a auto-kill task manager running.
Not any one thing in particular, but just overall it "feels" unresponsive? I have the OTA update before it was suspended.
Am I the only one noticing this?
Also has anyone been able to actually use the new Calculator? That thing doesn't register button presses to any form of practicality for me.
I'm just wondering if there are steps to fix this, or if this is how ICS is on the Nexus S. I'd rather go back to GB if that was the case.
I haven't noticed any unresponsiveness issues, to be honest. Although I had the phone just for a short while before the ICS update came out. So I didn't have much time to get accustomed to GB in order to be able to compare them accurately.
I had some random crashes, but last night I did a factory reset and it solved those issues for me. I'm using the calculator on a regular basis, no issues there.
the same to me, seems to move slower after OTA update
Because gb was made just for this phone. Every other phone just runs it, wasn't tailored for them.
Now ics was made just for the gnex. Same as all nexus phones.
Gb was made for the hummingbird. Etc etc...
Simple as that.
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Wrong section btw. Mod should move it.
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Same here....maybe because of all the new animations?
Its much faster for me
Nothing slow over here my phone is faster then ever
From the browser to everything in general....
Everything is working up to par on my end.
It is fast, but GB was faster overall. Not sure even "faster" is the better word. Perhaps "snappier" is more appropriate.
You can notice it in the small things... Opening an app, scrolling in some menus, etc.
Nop, It's running super fast here.
Browser experience is best ever!! Changing tabs is fast and very cool with the zooming animations
I say overall, it's feeling even faster than gingerbread.
Even with the battery issues, I'm not downgrading.
No problem here. Pretty smooth and snappy. Of course I flashed a custom kernel, OC and all the mod goodies. All help my phone snappier. I also recommend spare a buck and buy Autostarts app from the Market, if your phone is rooted.
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Runs very smooth here. Stock ICS 4.0.3 on i9023 ;-)
The experience overall is very smooth. The browser has a few quirks here and there with some websites, but overall its much better than the GB browser. The only place where I feel the phone struggles is opening the app drawer. It's like waiting for one of the older automatic cars to gear shift when u put the pedal to the metal.
My only problem is the frame-rate in ICS. Just swiping over home screens seems limited to 30 fps (definitely below 60).
Nope my phone is not slower at all.. ICS is very snappy!!
no troubles at all.
flashed the 4.0.3 stock plus the Glados v2.3 kernel (deep idle is a beast, rly...) and my NS is faster than ever. I'd never return to gb.
battery power ends in about a day if I use the phone intensively (internet, wifi, 3g, some games, music and so on...) but in a daily use (some sms, facebook news, email reading, etc) I'm experiencing no "battery drain problems" at all. charged 2 nights ago, still at 68% right now... (probably because the kernel, tho...)
edit: i forgot to mention that I'm running 110% live OC w/stock voltages and get no reboots or similar hellish-noobish things
Mine seems quicker and more responsive than ever I'm happy to say.
No lags or any problems with ICS stock rom. Also some of the best battery life for a long time.
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Absolutely no,
I formerly used CM7.1 and then installed ICS in the cleanest possible way (wiped everything, went to 2.3.3, updated to latest Gingerbread, wiped everything installed ICS from the zip file)
It works alot better, it feels much smoother, web browser was improved alot.
I can use the calculator properly and it works better than in GB, maybe its a random matter that some people face.
In my case , ICS >> GB. feels as if I got a new phone.
I love ICS on the Nexus S, no sluggishness at all. Custom roms seem to be very buggy and slow. I'm running it strait stock with no problems at all.
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Hello all, first post here after reading for quite some time
I researched alot and decided to buy this phone because I concluded it was the best, performance, quality, resolution, etc
I have the phone for a week now and I don't feel happy with it, overall I see the phone is not really smooth, it frequently freezes for like 2 seconds when opening or closing an application, I was quite happy until before I installed some apps, like modern combat 3 and aftermath xhd, I can't install those via market because it says it's not compatible with my device, so I tried them out because I was too curious to see its performance, and I'm very disappointed...
modern combat 3 is unplayable, the menu is laggy, the game feels like its constantly loading something, it's choppy, I played only half of the first level because I couldn't go on anymore. Aftermath XHD was laggy at first, but now I'm at the sniper level and I had to give up, it's unplayable, when a shot is fired it lags so much it stops for like 3 seconds. I read all over the internet that those games run smooth on defys, so what's the problem here?
I'm at stock rom and kernel (N7000UBKK1, 2.6.35.8-N7000UBKK3, GINGERBREAD.UBKK3), I'm not really into flashing, but after reading over the games thread people saying it's smooth and working fine I think it's my only hope, if it doesn't fix it I guess my hardware would be faulty then.
I'm starting to think that the internal disk is the bottleneck, and I'm not sure if updating can turn a non-playable game smooth, so has any of you guys ever experienced this or been through this, can give some advice or based on your experience point out if it is possible to solve this problem?
thanks in advance
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it's not compatible with my device
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Hey, after using the Iphone 3gs since its release I must say Im impressed with both Galaxy S2 and Galaxy Note BUT the random freezez and input lag that appears every now and then is just frekking annoying. Even with custom romz and different kernels this happens atleast 10 times everyday. As a techie guy I like the freedom that android gives me compared to the endless jailbreaking and ego behaviour by apple. However I'd say android devices must with the current hardware fix this type of problems since in the end user experience is the most important and If I spend 600 euros on a phone I'm sad to say that touchwise it still lacks a lot but after playing with it now for two weeks I have to say that I've gotten used to it. Samsung should stop pushing so many devices and focus on making the android software more stable, better touch input and reduce the frekking lag, dual core or not.
This forum is the best I've found and has everything a phablet nerd needs
Samsung Galaxy S2 - Stock Rom 2.3.5 with Launcher Pro (faster than the note with standard settings!!!!)
Samsung Galaxy Note - RocketRom V9 KKA 2.3.6 Launher Pro, CPu 1,6 mhz (still!! laggs sometimes)
Yeah, the Note is not polished enough yet. But don't lose faith - it will get better once we get ICS, shouldn't be that long. Right now it's up to you - you can improve it noticeably by flashing, tweaking and overclocking. I did that and I don't look back it ain't perfect but good enough for me.
KL3 soft + Abyssnote 2.5 kernel + OC (1650) + either lulzactive governor and vr scheduler (very responsive OS) or ondemandx gevernor and sio scheduler (smoother 3D games). These are settings that do the trick for me.
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It's also not compatible with everyone else's device, and people are reporting the game runs fine, how so?
If your game data is in your external SD Card, that may well be the problem
Anyhow, the Note is a niche device with a flavor of early adopting, since it's the first phone with this big a screen (the streak was a tablet, if I'm not mistaken?) and because it's one of the three first with a HD resolution.
What does that mean? That many things that work flawlessly on lesser devices won't work here simply by lack of dev support. One example? The gameloft games, my favorites. None of them are officially supported, and I haven't managed to make them work unofficially.
One thing is for sure: Android required flashing, period. The Defy is crap without any flashing, so is the Atrix, and now the Note is. At the very least, put on the CWM recovery, which takes about 60 seconds of your time, and try the custom Kernel that is swimming lonely down in dev section that allows you an OC of 1.7ghz. See if that helps with the lagging.
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It's also not compatible with everyone else's device, and people are reporting the game runs fine, how so?
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Don't worry with this kind of responses, you'll get them here sometimes. This is XDA, forum 100% dedicated to tinkering with phones so who cares what's compatibile with what. Make it work and enjoy.
This game is about 1.4GB if it has been installed on your internal memory you will definitely run out and and your phone will struggle,go to Settings/Applications/Manage Applications/Remove To SD card.
Just another boring witch hunt thread (yawn).
thanks a lot for the replies guys, you guys really helped a lot, I'm a lot more confident now and anxious to start flashing!
I got one question before starting the flashing process, is the JIG dongle for the S2 compatible with the note? I can't find the note JIG anywhere around here
I thought mw3 didn't work with the newest gingerbread yet.
Like the above poster said, try kl3. Little lag I had disappeared.
GALAXY NOTE
Ok so referring the note to a turd might be a bit over the top, but with my first day going from gingerbread to ics I have to voice my opinions.
When I first booted it up this morning I was underwhelmed. I'm coming from a desire z with asop ics which is a fantastic device, still smooth and great all round.
With GB everything was ugly to start off with, and the general performance felt a step down from my modded desire z (truly a credit to the developers). The browser was clunky (even in opera mobile) , the whites were more yellow than I expected, the was quite some lag waking it up and audio with headphones was terrible. I gave the desire z credit for its audio quality, I'm no audiophile but the difference was massive and it was actually painful to listen to the songs I used to love.
Now I'm using the latest stunner and the difference is unreal, it has literally transformed the phone. Everything is faster, this is how the note should have been in the first place. I was gutted with the audio performance on GB, even tweaking the equaliser in power amp couldn't get me to an acceptable quality. Well somehow the dev's have done it again. In ICS the clarity and range is even slightly better than on my desire z, something I never expected.
I tested the Note in store before I brought it and it was terrible on the stock rom there, who knows why people would buy it (I'm talking a 1 second delay between swiping and recognition) but I had faith in the developers and it's paid off.
This is mainly for those pondering on whether they should get the note because of initial bad reviews on the audio and using the stock rom. The audio and general performance is now fantastic on ICS.
I feel sorry for the many out there on the stock rom, here's to you developers.
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Thanks for your opinion that 5 million people like to buy turds at $600+ a pop
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Ok so referring the note to a turd might be a bit over the top,
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Ok so referring the note to a turd might be a bit over the top, but with my first day going from gingerbread to ics I have to voice my opinions.
When I first booted it up this morning I was underwhelmed. I'm coming from a desire z with asop ics which is a fantastic device, still smooth and great all round.
With GB everything was ugly to start off with, and the general performance felt a step down from my modded desire z (truly a credit to the developers). The browser was clunky (even in opera mobile) , the whites were more yellow than I expected, the was quite some lag waking it up and audio with headphones was terrible. I gave the desire z credit for its audio quality, I'm no audiophile but the difference was massive and it was actually painful to listen to the songs I used to love.
Now I'm using the latest shutter and the difference is unreal, it has literally transformed the phone. Everything is faster, this is how the note should have been in the first place. I was gutted with the audio performance on GB, even tweaking the equaliser in power amp couldn't get me to an acceptable quality. Well somehow the dev's have done it again. In ICS the clarity and range is even slightly better than on my desire z, something I never expected.
I tested the Note in store before I brought it and it was terrible on the stock rom there, who knows why people would buy it (I'm talking a 1 second delay between swiping and recognition) but I had faith in the developers and it's paid off.
This is mainly for those pondering on whether they should get the note because of initial bad reviews on the audio and using the stock rom. The audio and general performance is now fantastic on ICS.
I feel sorry for the many out there on the stock rom, here's to you developers.
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Even though I agree that ICS on the Note is very neat and improves many aspects of the device, at least in my case Gingerbread was not that bad either!
Perhaps the only gripe was the small lag on wake, but other than that it was buttery-smooth out of the box and after the 380+ apps I usually end up installing.
I think it all comes down to what your carrier have done to it and what firmware version you got it with in the first place.
Cheers!
I wouldn't call The note a turd!! ,it is a bit slower than the unrealistically buttery smooth SGS2 but not by much.
and since the sgs2 was more smooth than an Iphone4 (my own experience) ,then I'd say that the note is doing just fine on GB.
although ,I'm really looking forward to trying ICS ,it's just the Idea of me flashing ICS bootloaders for a "beta" that's putting me off ,or have I got this part wrong ,and I don't need to change bootloaders?
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...When I first booted it up this morning...
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I'd like to thank you for observing the advantages of ICS Stunner over the stock GB rom for such a long time, thats what i would like to call an an excellent base for judging a hole rom. this will make my decision much easier.
A turd really a bit too much but I do agree with OP, gingerbread Note left many things to be desired and I am on ICS stunner now, only thing I missed is full function S-pen.
I do hate touchwiz in guts. It does nothing but crap out our beautiful Note
If I had to choose , HTC has best software development for proprietary software user experience. While Samsung has the best specced hardware.
Note with pure aosp/aokp ICS is the best phone available today
Just my opinion.
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I love ics but if gb could get tablet mode I could care less about ics.
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You think the Note is a turd on GB?
Try coming from over a year with a Dell Streak stuck at 2.2.2
THAT was painful!
The note with GB 2.3.6, and Go Launcher EX, FLIES...at least it does for me.
Haha yep I had a Streak over the year and it was developer Dj_Steve that saved it for as long as it did. Even though the Note is better in most regards if got a soft spot for it as it was my first real awesome device. Why? Because it was 5 inches Never selling that, great memories.
There was only one reason that prevented me from getting the Note on release and that was touchwiz. But a couple of months ago I got one and enjoying it. Waiting patiently for ics but most likely once the spen apps work on osap ill move to that. I just love the experience of vanilla android that I had on my Streak.
Well stock GB left much to be desired but after the Devs did their magic it was great. Going to ICS and Stunner made my Note just the way I wanted it. But overall the phone was always a winner to me just for screen size alone lol but I do miss the S-pen apps.
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100% agreed. I didn't buy the Note because of Touchwiz or the S-Pen really...I bought it for its awesome screen. As an Android fanatic, knowing that I could change the firmware to whatever I wanted, made it an easy buy. Most "normal" people couldn't tell you what phone they have let alone what version of Android they have, if they even know it's an Android phone to begin with. But I feel even to people like this, Touchwiz is something of a joke. It's butt-assed ugly, laggy, and just a UI disaster in general. If I was stuck with what Samsung offered me, I wouldn't have ever bought the Note in the first place.
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I'd like to thank you for observing the advantages of ICS Stunner over the stock GB rom for such a long time, thats what i would like to call an an excellent base for judging a hole rom. this will make my decision much easier.
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I spent half the day using apps I would normally use (xda, opera, youtube, bbc app etc) and every single one was faster on my desire z with a custom rom (no games however). For me it doesn't take days to work out how good a rom is, I've been a serial flasher for years, and I'm sure lots of others can work out how good a rom is in a few hours. Maybe the desire z is an unfair comparison because it's so good when modded? But this has twice the ram, probably nearly twice the cpu performance so I was expecting a great performance out of the box.
Maybe I got a dud stock rom? (la6) If I'd have heard the headset quality in the store I wouldn't have brought it, but it's massively improved in ICS which I haven't seen said here. Obviously this is all down to personal preference, but the distortion and lifeless high ends were very noticeable before.
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But I feel even to people like this, Touchwiz is something of a joke. It's butt-assed ugly, laggy, and just a UI disaster in general.
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This is slightly OT now, but I just want to leave a comment on that (of course, this is not going against your opinion smalgal ): I´m not really into TW as well, just because of the one fact that Ißm using my note on smaller DPI settings, where TW really doesn´t make sense anymore.
But beside that I want to get the facts straight (at least imao): TW is far from being laggy or a UI disaster. Quite the opposite: It seems like TouchWiz is by far the most stable launcher I ever came across. I have used a tons of devices now, including the mighty SGSII (which was the fastest till today). And even though Go Launcher Ex, Apex Launcher (on ICS) and a bunch of other good launchers are fast as well, none of them gives me the same stability and reliability like TouchWiz does.
Fastest wakeup from standby, absolutely NO launcher crash, absolutely NO launcher reload, nothing...just working.
Of course, there are some things they really should FINALLY include like compatibility with lower DPI settings, personalized sort order in the drawer etc.
But laggy? Absolutely not.
I myself like the TW,here is what I am gonna do:Wait for the official ICS to be released,and after that will get the best custom ROM based on it with least bloatware,and flash.,of course will make sure that I test all of them first and get whatever suits me the best.
Thats what I did with my HD2,and PDA2K long time ago,and was very happy,on my HD2 I have chosen one of the least known ROMs but very light CleaNex STD,and couldnt be happier.
And plaease dont come out and advice me that that kind of ICS ROM already exists for the Note,this is a personal approach and I am willing to wait.
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And yet you bought one!
So maybe a lot of us are expecting great things from devs and the ICS stock build when it eventually arrives!
"but I do miss the s-pen apps".
Well why not just flash a rom that supports them, try it out, see how you go! If you don't like it, just go back to stunner.
I'm using midnote1.0. I believe you can use alba aswell. S-pen apps are working very well. For me, ICS is a massive improvement on GB. Everything is working instantly, and properly too. It really makes a difference.
GAH. Comparing stock anything to an XDA custom Rom isn't fair for a start. Put the latest RocketROM GB v23 up against Stunner and we'll see a contest.
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This is slightly OT now, but I just want to leave a comment on that (of course, this is not going against your opinion smalgal ): I´m not really into TW as well, just because of the one fact that Ißm using my note on smaller DPI settings, where TW really doesn´t make sense anymore.
But beside that I want to get the facts straight (at least imao): TW is far from being laggy or a UI disaster. Quite the opposite: It seems like TouchWiz is by far the most stable launcher I ever came across. I have used a tons of devices now, including the mighty SGSII (which was the fastest till today). And even though Go Launcher Ex, Apex Launcher (on ICS) and a bunch of other good launchers are fast as well, none of them gives me the same stability and reliability like TouchWiz does.
Fastest wakeup from standby, absolutely NO launcher crash, absolutely NO launcher reload, nothing...just working.
Of course, there are some things they really should FINALLY include like compatibility with lower DPI settings, personalized sort order in the drawer etc.
But laggy? Absolutely not.
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TW is not that ugly , and it's definitely not laggy at all ,like you mentioned it's actually the smoothest launcher of them all.
But to be honest ,TW on the note is not as smooth as TW on the SGS2 ,actually the whole stock experience is a lot less refined than the SGS2 ,the launcher tends to reload on the note when a heavy app is loaded ,and that never ever faced me on the SGS2 before.
and since the note's hardware is on par with the S2 ,I'm actually very excited to what improvements ICS will bring along , in comparision I wasn't excited at all for the S2 ICS update cause it was perfect as it is.
but That's not to say the note is a turd to begin with ,far from it actually.
No, you don´t mess with the bootloader by installing ICS stunner. If you mess up your Note, you can allways flash a stock rom through PC Odin and start over.
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Touchwiz is more than just a "launcher." It's a complete UI overlay...and it's ugly, and it's laggy. Maybe I didn't get the same phone everyone else did, no? Touchwiz launcher itself is clumsy and slow, and I personally think it's terrible. I don't know where you people getting off saying it's the best launcher you've ever used. Have you tried them all?
I've been using Android since 2011 but I'm not happy with it. It always looked like laggy to me but I always didn't care.
Now I'm with HTC One and I'm not happy again. Apps, customization options, etc. are amazing but, even after reading tons of person's "This phone i very smooth, stable" I just can't find this phone smooth or stable nor Android OS. When I install a rom (with fully wipe of course), 1 or 2 day I satisfy with it, it starts to lag, and late responses etc.
I hate IOS either but still, after usign my brothers iphone for a minute, I hate from my phone.
But I don't want to leave Android. When I need to buy a new phone, I always select Android ones because I always believed that the next one will be much more smoother because of new processors etc. but even with the 2013's flagship phone, it hasn't happened yet. (at least for me) :laugh:
What are yours comments??
Note: I didn't open this thread to blame on Android. I just wondered yours comments.
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I've been using Android since 2011 but I'm not happy with it. It always looked like laggy to me but I always didn't care.
Now I'm with HTC One and I'm not happy again. Apps, customization options, etc. are amazing but, even after reading tons of person's "This phone i very smooth, stable" I just can't find this phone smooth or stable nor Android OS. When I install a rom (with fully wipe of course), 1 or 2 day I satisfy with it, it starts to lag, and late responses etc.
I hate IOS either but still, after usign my brothers iphone for a minute, I hate from my phone.
But I don't want to leave Android. When I need to buy a new phone, I always select Android ones because I always believed that the next one will be much more smoother because of new processors etc. but even with the 2013's flagship phone, it hasn't happened yet. (at least for me) :laugh:
What are yours comments??
Note: I didn't open this thread to blame on Android. I just wondered yours comments.
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What rom are you using? And what apps? My HTC One is plenty smooth
That's how I was with my old phone. You just need to look up phone statistics and read reviews online. A good phone at a decent price. Don't buy a used or referbished. I agree though. Android isn't the best, but it does get me through my needs.
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What rom are you using? And what apps? My HTC One is plenty smooth
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Firstly thank you for your answer.
I tried tons of roms including ARHD, Insertcoin, GPE Roms, CM. Now I'm with InsertCoin and ElementalX (tried stock kernel too) and after 2 days I got laggy again. I think its not important for me anymore because whenever I ask a question about smoothness I get answers like apps, roms and I try them. I don't install any apps more than 10. Apps I install are generic apps like Twiitter, WhatsApp, TitaniumBackup, Cache cleaner.
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That's how I was with my old phone. You just need to look up phone statistics and read reviews online. A good phone at a decent price. Don't buy a used or referbished. I agree though. Android isn't the best, but it does get me through my needs.
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I got One after watching tons of reviews and its said that its a fast phone. I think I'm obsessed with this smoothness expectation from Android because I used Nexus 4 for 4 months too and I wasn't happy with that too. But still, N4 was much more stable than One for me. :laugh:
I think I know what you're talking about. The phone seems perfectly fast after you install a new rom but then it slows down a lot over time. I have had the same issue with my One and my older S2. But now my phone seems to be really fast all the time with the 4.4.2 GPE. It's a stock ROM but I added some of my own stuff to it. I've been on the same rom for about 2 or 3 weeks now and it seems pretty smooth. Not even the UI stutters anymore. I also used App Ops to fix the battery drain issue with the Kit Kat update and now the phone is perfect. You should try a converting your phone to GPE and see how that is for you. I'm currently very happy with how my phone performs, it ranks high in benchmarks without any overclocking and gets much better battery life as well.
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I think I know what you're talking about. The phone seems perfectly fast after you install a new rom but then it slows down a lot over time. I have had the same issue with my One and my older S2. But now my phone seems to be really fast all the time with the 4.4.2 GPE. It's a stock ROM but I added some of my own stuff to it. I've been on the same rom for about 2 or 3 weeks now and it seems pretty smooth. Not even the UI stutters anymore. I also used App Ops to fix the battery drain issue with the Kit Kat update and now the phone is perfect. You should try a converting your phone to GPE and see how that is for you. I'm currently very happy with how my phone performs, it ranks high in benchmarks without any overclocking and gets much better battery life as well.
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To be honest, your phone is probably laggy because you've rooted it and have flashed the software and firmware multiple times. Run a stock HTC One and it's buttery. Any time I root or jailbreak a phone, I regret it after a while because it seems to screw up the device. I had the 4 and 4S, both were jailbroken and were laggy as hell. My HTC One is pretty unresponsive and laggy, but my girlfriends HTC One is perfect. This phone will definitely be the last phone I ever root/jailbreak.
I have an HTC One
Have always wanted to be on Android, but never really got the "right" feeling for it... tried Samsung Galaxy Nexus when it came, later I tried Samsung Galaxy S3 4G. Thought that one would be a sure thing... seemed it was the android phone every one had.... but was really disappointed... most the poor body, and the sound?
Had an iPhone 5 at this point, got it from work as then hit the market. Had used ios devices before too. They where always smooth and worked.
I always did jailbreak my devices, so you could customize a lot.
But did a 3:rd try for Android, with the HTC ONE.
And this time I aint turning back, sure the build quality in apples products is hard to beat, and I like the screen size a bit more. Even if I have big hands I still feel most phones today are 2hands phones, more or less. Anyhow!
HTC ONE, is running really smooth, I have used a couple of roms, back with Viper at the moment with the ElementarX Kernel.
I never feel that my phone is slow or laggy. Using Nova Launcher.
Would like to run a stable CM 10.2 or 11 thou
I think I experienced this on stock ROM, when my phone was new you could say the smoothness gradually decreased as it filled up with rubbish I guess.
But on ARHD 40.3 I haven't had a problem. Been rocking this ROM since 40.3 was released and see no reason to upgrade or change. Happy where I am with performance and battery life.
While I feel that 4.4/KitKat's new ART runtime does help smooth things out compared to Dalvik, I agree that it's not quite on par with iOS. This is just in scrolling action, though. I feel the One is plenty fast when it comes to processing power and touch response time.
I think it all depends on what you are comparing this phone to. My previous phone came out awhile ago, so of course the HTC One feels very smooth for me.
For me, the smoothest rom is vanilla Android, namely GPE. AOSP roms (like CM) seem to stutter when scrolling, such as in the Settings menu.
If you are comparing Android to iOS, however, there was a post a couple of years ago stating that it is because of how Android renders the interface that makes it laggier than iOS. This is not the post itself, but it breaks it down:
http://www.redmondpie.com/heres-why-androids-ui-will-never-be-as-smooth-as-ios-or-windows-phone-7/
in my opinion,
Facebook or 3rd party integration is the problem; un-link facebook account or at least use your phone without internet connection (3G or wifi i mean) for testing.
i am a one user, with stock 4.3 and happy with it
Thread closed,
As this is not directly related to the HTC One and has become a bit of a phone comparison thread, this is classed as an OT thread and has been clsoed. Please see the link in my signature for OT section in XDA. This would be a better place for threads of this type.