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****Sorry this is for T-mobile US Vibrant only! Admins, if you can move this, i'd appreciate it!***
Hey all, First post here, but this is really important news/info to me, since it affects me greatly and has been a source of great stress, anger and frustration for me.
T-mobile will be announcing this soon, but my friend who works for corporate T-Mo U.S. has confirmed that they have the final build of the GPS fix, and is undergoing extensive testing, and that it will start being pushed to users OTA just after Thanksgiving. Yes, that's another 2 months of no GPS for us.
Now, the worse news: Froyo will not be ready for release until next year. MY friend said that Samsung is running into all sorts of problems trying to adapt Froyo for their phones. I'm especially pissed off about this bit of news.
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My friend also advised me not to use the update samsung had posted on Kies as it will prevent users from getting the OTA of Froyo when it is released next year. So, if you plan on keeping your Vibrant, for the love of god, don't force the Kies update (that was the update T-mo rejected because it bricked their test phones and other problems).
For those of you who have held off returning their phones during the "remorse" period hoping for a speedy update are SOL, just like myself. We'll be getting 2.2 by the time everyone else has 3.0, which is ******ed. I've already filed claims for a chargeback with my credit card company, as this is a clear cut case of receiving a product that was not delivered as promised (damaged or faulty product). I suggest all of you do the same if you are out of options and shudder at the thought of having to wait 6 months for every update for the next 2 years while everyone else gets them in half the time.
Anyways, If everyone can help spread this info, it'd be much appreciated, as I want everyone to be as well informed as possible. GPS issues aside, i love my phone, but I cannot stand the thought of having to deal with Samsung's BS and incompetence for 2 years.
cool story brother...
I wish i was making this up. You'll hear it from T-mo when they announce it next week like they said they would do on twitter.
half of tmobile us staff is on crack , they dont knwo shyt wat they talk about...they good at reading those scripts provided to them and asking customers to remove the battery wait 30 seconds and insert it bak again
I heard that samsung is going to roll out Froyo first then GPS fix later. But meh.
salmanslick said:
half of tmobile us staff is on crack , they dont knwo shyt wat they talk about...they good at reading those scripts provided to them and asking customers to remove the battery wait 30 seconds and insert it bak again
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Yeah, but that's customer "service" people. When I called 2 days ago to ***** them out again and warn them I was going to do a credit card charge back, the lady told me there was a fix... and guess what that "fix" was.."go into settings, location and security, and check the box that says "use wireless networks"... And I asked her if she was ****ting me... Literally, thats what I said.. "are you ****ting me?" then I demanded to speak to retention (to return phone past the 14 days) which did me no good so i told them I would do a charge back for sending me a faulty product at their expense thereby getting a refund and keeping their phone and she said if I felt that would resolve my problems, then to do so.
My buddy works in strategies/ product development, and tests the phones/updates and whatnot. They're currently testing the latest GPS fix they've received after the last one bricked several of their phones.
I'm getting froyo on my SGS next week at the official Samsung mobile service for our country. It is not the final official release, but is still official since I'll get it at their service.
So I will stop *****ing about final OTA/Kies release, 'cause Samsung kept their promise, at least partly (to receive froyo upgrade this year - it's what they said when they rolled out the phone).
They've told me that I will be able to upgrade my phone via Kies when the final version arrives.
So I'm getting my froyo and still hoping for an official release later this year, which is what Samsung said at the first place.
Regards
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Congrats! Sorry, my original post was supposed to be for the Vibrant (US T-Mobile variant) only, but since this is my first time starting a thread, I made it in the wrong sub-Forum.
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Sry then
I think this forum would be appropriate then: forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=708
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...has been a source of great stress, anger and frustration for me.
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This not healty, just install JPK & OCLF and be happy
Congrats! Sorry, my original post was supposed to be for the Vibrant (US T-Mobile variant) only, but since this is my first time starting a thread, I made it in the wrong sub-Forum.
All I have to say about your friend is he is full of BS
We will only spread this AFTER the OFFICIAL Announcement..
Why is a topic exclusively about T mobile Vibrant not being posted on the actual Tmobile Vibrat section?
it's very well known the Bell Vibrant is a i9000 and not a SGH-T959
AllGamer said:
Why is a topic exclusively about T mobile Vibrant not being posted on the actual Tmobile Vibrat section?
it's very well known the Bell Vibrant is a i9000 and not a SGH-T959
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As i've said, this was my first thread and i jumped the gun and posted it here before realising there was a specific Vibrant forum. My bad.
This is wrong .
Sent from my vibrant
Your friend is smoking crack! Look at the Captivate...it got Froyo final leak yesturday! I bet a final leak will be out in a couple of weeks for a i9000!
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Never again Samsung!!!
all i have to say is LOL
Dude you haven't been here long enough
You know how many people have said, they know a person, or they work at tmobile, or websites claim they know ...ect.
And in the end nothing all BS rumors all the "dates" have come and gone.
Don't waist your time you and your "friend" are not the messiah of Vibrant
You dont know anymore than we do.
...that's my opinion
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Honestly this makes no sense... If they plan on continuing to sell this galaxy s phones over the holidays then they better get froyo rolling out before next year.
Just saw this posted, what do ya'll think?
http://www.mobilemag.com/2010/12/27/verizons-samsung-fascinate-getting-froyo-before-years-end/
Actually this has been discussed. It is believed that this chart is an outdated chart from Verizon. There are things on the chart that support it being outdated. I not trying to rain on your parade, as I would love Froyo on my Fascinate before the end of the year as well, I am just not certain it will happen. I know the Epic's Froyo update that was supposed to go live 12/26 got postponed, so maybe Samsung is having issues with Froyo on certain Galaxy S phones (CDMA Galaxy S's to be exact). Either that or they are just deciding to pool resources into a Gingerbread update. Either way the lack of updates and update statuses from Verizon and Samsung is leading to the frustration over the lack of an update. All I can recommend now is patience. We will get it when they decide to release it. Either that or Verizon will get the iPhone in Jan. or Feb. and offer some insane upgrade pricing to entice people to move to that smartphone. Who knows, lol.
Ahh, I must have missed that one, I'm in no hurry but I thought this was something new. Thanks....
I will rain on the parade, because that chart's an internal Verizon training tool that came out before the Fascinate actually launched. This whole thing is getting kind of ridiculous -- Android Central put it up on their website as new, exclusive news, and all these other overeager Android bloggers leaped on it like hotcakes without doing any additional research. Is it possible the upgrade will come out before the year ends? Possible, yes. Likely, absolutely not. But this chart doesn't increase the likelihood one way or the other.
And on another note, as the previous poster mentioned this has been posted before -- actually, this is the third time in as two days -- which is why people generally suggest looking over recent threads before posting something you think may be new.
On Verizon's website there are software update instructions, has the 1500 already received an update for 2.1? Traded my buddy for this phone about a week ago and he had no idea what I was talking about when I asked if he ever had to update it, hehe
FWIW, on Samsung's website they show the Fascinate as having 2.2.
That is strange. I just saw that. It was 2.1 only a couple days ago. Shenanigans? Or a lead?
Talked to Samsung tech support. They confirmed that new phones will ship with froyo pre-installed. They would not confirm or deny if existing phones would receive the update.
That is misleading. And this shows under the verizon model fascinate, in case anyone is wondering.
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Talked to Samsung tech support. They confirmed that new phones will ship with froyo pre-installed. They would not confirm or deny if existing phones would receive the update.
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I have to call BS on Samsung. I just got a new Fascinate from Best Buy last week (just switch to Verizon on the 15th of Dec, originally got the wife a incredible, but she wanted the same phone I got, so went back to get a fascinate for her) and that phone was new and did not have 2.2 on it. I wonder what kind of BS they are pulling here. I will gladly take these phones back to go get a 2.2 Fascinate before my 30 days exchange time is up. It really doesn't make sense not to release an update to current owners but to put it on new phones (which means it must be ready, or the new phones maybe an updated hardware version?). What Samsung and Verizon are doing here is incredibly stupid.
just talked to a service rep... i know i know.....
i asked why it says 2.2 next to the fascinate on their page...he said
"2.2 will be out ota in the next few days"...
I said "
yea we heard that before.... any chance you can just give it to me????"
the response was...
good day sir...
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I have to call BS on Samsung. I just got a new Fascinate from Best Buy last week (just switch to Verizon on the 15th of Dec, originally got the wife a incredible, but she wanted the same phone I got, so went back to get a fascinate for her) and that phone was new and did not have 2.2 on it. I wonder what kind of BS they are pulling here. I will gladly take these phones back to go get a 2.2 Fascinate before my 30 days exchange time is up. It really doesn't make sense not to release an update to current owners but to put it on new phones (which means it must be ready, or the new phones maybe an updated hardware version?). What Samsung and Verizon are doing here is incredibly stupid.
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they will be shipping new phones with 2.2 that doesn't mean all the phones in stock will be 2.2... and it just changed within the last 2 days also...
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just talked to a service rep... i know i know.....
i asked why it says 2.2 next to the fascinate on their page...he said
"2.2 will be out ota in the next few days"...
I said "
yea we heard that before.... any chance you can just give it to me????"
the response was...
good day sir...
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I think its time to spam facebook and twitter with our discontent. Really in this day and age with the internet and social networking sites, to not say anything about the update (but put it front and center on your product page that the phone has a version of the OS that it does not) is just showing poor customer appreciation.
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I think its time to spam facebook and twitter with our discontent. Really in this day and age with the internet and social networking sites, to not say anything about the update (but put it front and center on your product page that the phone has a version of the OS that it does not) is just showing poor customer appreciation.
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Have you seen what people are saying to them on Facebook or Twitter? Their Facebook pages are what you'd expect to see on a bathroom stall; and it's been going on for months!
A bathroom stall? Maybe one at a dairy queen refusing to dispense softserve?
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Have you seen what people are saying to them on Facebook or Twitter? Their Facebook pages are what you'd expect to see on a bathroom stall; and it's been going on for months!
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Actually I haven't, I just looked today. It is really sad that Samsung is being bashed on the social networking sites and they don't care one bit. I am really reconsidering my decision on keeping a Samsung phone.
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Actually I haven't, I just looked today. It is really sad that Samsung is being bashed on the social networking sites and they don't care one bit. I am really reconsidering my decision on keeping a Samsung phone.
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It is sad but they don't care. They got your (and my) money and the only thing they care about is this quarters profits. That's business these days. The real issue here is that in order for Samsung to sell these phones they intentionally misled consumers into believing that the devices would be updated very shortly after their release. I'm sure it's no coincidence that this update will take place right around Q2-2011; they've had this for a while and have been holding out on us.
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SCH-I500RKAVZW
Here it is, straight from samsung. However, on the vzw website, it still lists it as having 2.1.
so fresh and so superclean.
as i have stated before... the update was not ready at the beginning of this month... i saw it with my own eyes... everything was constantly FC'ing...
if it is now ready they have not been sitting on it very long...
God forbid we get a bug free update later than other carriers get a bugged up one....
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as i have stated before... the update was not ready at the beginning of this month... i saw it with my own eyes... everything was constantly FC'ing...
if it is now ready they have not been sitting on it very long...
God forbid we get a bug free update later than other carriers get a bugged up one....
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It's not the waiting, it's the lack of any information that makes the natives restless.
So, I was dead set on the evo 3d, but then I have been reading about the samsung galaxy s II which is rumored to come out in a month.
It looks faster than the 3d, and more importantly lighter (4 oz to 6 oz) and thinner (.33 in to .49 inch)...
Faster, Thinner, Lighter seem good, but i'm sure it will not see the amount of dev activity that the 3d will have. But will we need as much dev activity if it is "so fast?"... I'm sure things will change.
Am I missing something? I'm leaning towards the Samsung Within let me know if if I am making a serious error here.
Frankly, I am surprised about the lack of discussion about the samsung around here.
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So, I was dead set on the evo 3d, but then I have been reading about the samsung galaxy s II which is rumored to come out in a month.
It looks faster than the 3d, and more importantly lighter (4 oz to 6 oz) and thinner (.33 in to .49 inch)...
Faster, Thinner, Lighter seem good, but i'm sure it will not see the amount of dev activity that the 3d will have. But will we need as much dev activity if it is "so fast?"... I'm sure things will change.
Am I missing something? I'm leaning towards the Samsung Within let me know if if I am making a serious error here.
Frankly, I am surprised about the lack of discussion about the samsung around here.
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Obviously things change over time, but I was so disgusted with my Samsung Instinct and how it was represented when I bought it, that I'd never even consider buying another Samsung phone. If I don't end up with a Evo 3D in the near future it will be a different HTC phone instead.
samsung has a horrible track record of updating there phones l will always stick with htc plus you cant beet htc build quality.
Samsung has been discussed around here. Just doesn't have a good track record with the community.
Android Police is reporting the Epic 2 coming out soon, not sure if its GS 1 or 2, prob 1 cause its single core 1.2 GHz. GS2 could still be a ways out cause of Apple's "look and feel of iphone" lawsuit.
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Android Police is reporting the Epic 2 coming out soon, not sure if its GS 1 or 2, prob 1 cause its single core 1.2 GHz. GS2 could still be a ways out cause of Apple's "look and feel of iphone" lawsuit.
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GS2 Is out in Korea and Europe. Apple sued Samsung in Korea http://nexus404.com/Blog/2011/06/26...s-did-samsung-copy-apples-iphone-ipad-design/
The lawsuit won't hold the release back.
I'd never own another samsuck phone.. Both of the ones I had , got exchanged for something else because of thier poor performance. last one was an instinct, exchanged for the hero..
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I'd never own another samsuck phone.. Both of the ones I had , got exchanged for something else because of thier poor performance. last one was an instinct, exchanged for the hero..
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http://www.zdnet.com/blog/apple/yet-another-iphone-killer-samsungs-instinct/1495
I can't get another android due to work... have a sprint curve 9330
But I do remember getting the instinct, throwing it against the wall and getting a Hero in the local classifieds(being used by my sister).
I've had the hero for a year and a half and I can easily say it has worked perfectly.
While I replaced the instinct 3 times before throwing the last one against the wall.
So I don't know about you guys, but I am tired of waiting for ICS. Even more so I am tired of there being not a word spoken about the progress of the update from Google, Sprint, or Samsung. Being that I am still paying the phones subsidized price to Sprint with my monthly payments, I have taken my complaints to their official forum.
http://community.sprint.com/baw/community/buzzaboutwireless/phones-and-devices/samsung/nexus_s_
I encourage all of you that are tired of the silence of these companies to please join me on Sprints forums and voice your complaints. Maybe if enough of us speak up someone will realize it is better to have transparency even when things go wrong.
*I know some of you will say quit complaining and flash a rom. I know what my options are, but that does not excuse these companies for treating us the way that they are. Sprint should not be advertising the Nexus S 4G as receiving "OS updates as soon as humanly possible"*
I've been wondering this for a while.. when the ota update comes out, do you (as in everyone who's waiting for it) plan on using it?
Drop w/e custom ics rom you might have with performance tweaks, themes, status bar toggles, settings you'd never get in a stock rom, etc. etc.?
"treating us the way that they are"? Maybe you've forgotten that Google pulled the first ics update because of issues, and they already have 4.0.5 planned, ics is obviously having issues.
Don't get me wrong, i can definitely understand the frustration with no news about anything at all. I can see your reasoning for complaining to Sprint about that.
i dunno, I'm just curious as to why everyone is freaking out over it. imo they should be pestering Google to release the 4.0.4 source for us to fix some things in our roms, instead of bothering the carrier
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I've been wondering this for a while.. when the ota update comes out, do you (as in everyone who's waiting for it) plan on using it?
Drop w/e custom ics rom you might have with performance tweaks, themes, status bar toggles, settings you'd never get in a stock rom, etc. etc.?
"treating us the way that they are"? Maybe you've forgotten that Google pulled the first ics update because of issues, and they already have 4.0.5 planned, ics is obviously having issues.
Don't get me wrong, i can definitely understand the frustration with no news about anything at all. I can see your reasoning for complaining to Sprint about that.
i dunno, I'm just curious as to why everyone is freaking out over it. imo they should be pestering Google to release the 4.0.4 source for us to fix some things in our roms, instead of bothering the carrier
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Pestering Google would be the more direct approach for sure. But they already got their money for these phones. Sprint on the other hand I am still paying and will continue to pay (if I don't move to another carrier). So Sprint seems to be the more logical source to complain to and maybe if enough people pester them, they will in turn force Google to be more transparent. Because as is, it looks like Google could give a ****.
Ah alright, that makes more sense to me now. Thanks for the response
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I've been wondering this for a while.. when the ota update comes out, do you (as in everyone who's waiting for it) plan on using it?
Drop w/e custom ics rom you might have with performance tweaks, themes, status bar toggles, settings you'd never get in a stock rom, etc. etc.?
"treating us the way that they are"? Maybe you've forgotten that Google pulled the first ics update because of issues, and they already have 4.0.5 planned, ics is obviously having issues.
Don't get me wrong, i can definitely understand the frustration with no news about anything at all. I can see your reasoning for complaining to Sprint about that.
i dunno, I'm just curious as to why everyone is freaking out over it. imo they should be pestering Google to release the 4.0.4 source for us to fix some things in our roms, instead of bothering the carrier
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No, I would never give up my mods & tweaks, etc....but I would love to have a stock rom with all those tweaks, mods, themes, kernels, etc. added on to it. IMHO, stock roms are almost always stable beasts! Honestly, at this point, I am doubting whether or not sprint even cares enough to let us know what's going on with the update. We're now over 2 months since the first official ota was pushed to nexus s and the devs here have already beaten the bloody hell out of sprint in releasing working roms, with brand new radios, bootloaders, and all. Granted, the bootloader & radio were ripped from a leaked rom, but still....we've got over a dozen working roms before the people who have full access to schematics, closed source code, etc. could even get one out.....and that's just plain sad!!
Has anyone gotten this OTA yet? I can't even find one person that has. It's making me think that it was a false leak, maybe that's already well known though...
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Has anyone gotten this OTA yet? I can't even find one person that has. It's making me think that it was a false leak, maybe that's already well known though...
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Umm.. Its called a leak because it was err.. leaked... It was an OTA update that wasn't released yet and still hasn't been. Doesn't make it a false leak, just means they still aren't ready to release it.
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Is he possibly talking about the leaked release date of the ota ics update, the one of the screenshot from a Sprint webpage showing Sprint saying the update will be released on February 16th???? I think he might have been asking if anyone got the ota update that this was showing. I personally think that it was a misprint and the update will be released on March 16th, as there is another leaked piece saying the NEXUS S update will be released in mid March.
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Is he possibly talking about the leaked release date of the ota ics update, the one of the screenshot from a Sprint webpage showing Sprint saying the update will be released on February 16th???? I think he might have been asking if anyone got the ota update that this was showing. I personally think that it was a misprint and the update will be released on March 16th, as there is another leaked piece saying the NEXUS S update will be released in mid March.
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Exactly.
I should clarify, the substance of the leak-the date if the alleged OTA update-was false.
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Looks like Sprint is still sytematically deleting posts of their users and paying customers on their forum.
Go here and see before it is deleted: http://community.sprint.com/baw/thread/85388?start=0&tstart=0
"Nexus S 4g and ICS-where is it?
Why were these posts deleted? Why are you still trying to hide what is going on instead of answering my questions? There was nothing in these posts that was your content to delete. markie_b stated that posts that had Sprint property (screenshots) were deleted because of that, but why are these deleted?
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"@markie_b "the opportune word here is leaked which means someone is putting information out there before it is due and therefore Sprint has the right to delete any information"
Just because it was leaked does not make it any less true. There was a banner at the top of the page when Sprint employees logged into Dara and ISC. It was there for two days at least. Many different Sprint employees confirmed this as true. So deleting the screenshot and links to this image just makes it look like Sprint is trying to hide something. Which you are. Sprint messed up. Plain and simple. Maybe you guys should admit this and try to give us more information than just wait for ICS because we know nothing. We all know you and every other Sprint employee know nothing. You guys should work on changing that. Instead of hiding mistakes and staying silent on what is going on with an update, you should be proactive in letting us know every step of the process you are on in geting the update out. The source has been available for 3 months now, that is more than enough time to get the radios working. As I have said before we are all still paying Sprint for these phones. We deserve to be treated better. On a side note you should realize the Nexus is a developer phone. You are not dealing with your average Android phone users here. We will notice every single mistake you make and come looking for answers every time.
@aysdojo Why would you think it was an internal release? How many Sprint employees do you think still even own an NS4G? On top of that there is no system in place for Sprint to only push updates to Sprint employees. So how would they even accomplish an internal release?
@14knight So would you mind explaining why another post created by mattsholtz23 that asked why Sprint is advertising the Nexus S 4g as "OS updates as soon as humanly possible" were outright deleted and the member banned? There was no "leaked" information in that post. It was a simple question that was deleted instead of just being answered. It look like Sprints policy is to delete any post on here that makes them look bad. Instead of being up front and admitting when they do things wrong. A screen shot has been taken as proof of this post."
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"I must assume that you have trouble reading, as all proof needed was inside of last post. You must realize that you are asking for proof of things that do not exist, i.e. a way for Sprint to roll out releases only to employees all the while excluding every other NS4G owner on their network. This is like asking someone to prove that Santa Clause does not exist. The proof he does not exist is that no one has ever proven that he does exist. The same goes for Sprints secret employee OS upgrade system that you somehow beleive in. Like I said before, it would have been heard of by now through employee leaks, considering that the OP is about Sprint internal leaks this is something Sprint has a problem with. Also of note is that the one internal rollout you cited from Google had leaked screenshots of ICS (I guess you would have had to of read the article though) hitting Google+ and Twitter within hours of the actual rollout to employees. Further illustrating my point. I would also like to point out that I have answered your questions twice now with you still never answering my one question to you. Why do you believe this was an internal rollout? Any other post by you will be ignored as I must assume you are trolling and are hijacking the thread, considering your last 2 posts have not had a single fact in them and were all opinion, and that you never answered my one question to you. Now back to the real questions I would like to see answers to. I am still waiting Markie_B and 14Knight."
A screenshot has been taken as proof of this post, as have all my other posts."
And another one that was deleted:
"@dreamcat1138 You are correct. Not only does the NS4G have weak radio problems, but it is all Samsung devices that have signal issues. Samsung is notorious for using under powered radios inside of it's handsets. http://www.androidcentral.com/nexus-s-users-hows-your-wifi-strength http://www.androidcentral.com/are-you-having-radio-issues-your-nexus-s-4g-poll http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google+Mobile/thread?tid=34ad876196cb21c4&hl=en http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google+Mobile/thread?tid=72cde4a29b9021c3&hl=en http://forums.androidcentral.com/sp...e-wifi-radio-wifi-tethering-crashes-data.html Tweet from Engadget's Mobile editor - https://twitter.com/#!/zpower/status/15800092652998657 http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1714413 http://pocketnow.com/android/samsung-epic-4g-touch-hits-radio-problems-fix-promised http://pocketnow.com/android/epic-4g-touch-signal-loss-fix-coming-soon-user-leaks-it-early http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=24345 http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/21/...signal-problem-fix-coming-meter-being-changed Trust me I could go on. Basically all Samsung devices including the Nexus S 4G have horrible radios. Just look at some of the other posts in Sprints Nexus S forum. There are more than one post asking when the radios would be fixed on the NS4G, and they always have the same answer. It's in the next update. Yet with the last 3 update the NS4G recieved that were supposed to fix the radio issues, they never did. And now we are being told it will be in the ICS update. That is untrue as there is no fix for the radio ssues, it is a hardware issue, and the only fix for that is not buying a Samsung phone. Screenshots have been taken as proof of this post."
Here are even more that were deleted.
"Why was the screen shot and link to the image of the leak deleted? Why does Sprint feel that hiding their mess ups is gonna help? It is all over the web, we already know. Why don't you take the time to admit your mistakes and tell us what is going on, instead of deleting posts banning members and deleting pictures. Is this really Sprints stance, to hide facts and lie to it's paying customers? Every person on this Nexus board is still paying for their phones with their contracts. Why are we being treated this way? Screenshots have been taken as proof of this post."
"So you don't believe everything you read on the internet, yet you believe the rumor one guy (not a Sprint employee) posted on this forum that this was an internal rollout. As that one guy (techguy379) is the only and original source that this was an internal rollout, and looking at his other posts, he knows absolutely nothing about what Sprint is doing. Not to mention that if it was an internal rollout wouldn't the Sprint employees who leaked these screen shots have known that, as they are internal employees. I personally know for a fact that one of the screen shot leakers/posters was himself an NS4G owner, wouldn't it make sense that he would have been one of the internal testers, since he owned the phone the test was taking place on and was himself an internal employee of Sprint? The proof that Sprint or any other prvider has never done an internal rollout to test an OS on their employees is that we would have heard about it, on Twitter, Facebook, and XDA. Do you really think Sprint could control leaks from their 18 year old work force. Most companies can't even control leaks from their programers and coders. Come on. You also just proved yourself wrong, as Google is the only company that does internal rollouts of Android to test OS updates. Since they are the ones who make it. There has and never been a single reported case of a service provider (Sprint, Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile) ever internally testing an OS update on their work force, and that is because they don't. Really you are just making yourself look silly. I am sure Sprint can take care of defending themselves without your ill informed help."
*update* Looks like nexuss4glies was banned and most posts deleted.
Here is a full account of what is going on at Sprint's forums.
http://sprintlies.tumblr.com/
Here is a reddit link as well http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/pyaow/a_full_record_of_how_sprint_is_deleting_its_users/
Your sense of entitlement is ridiculous at this point.
These updates take time, there is a massive amount of testing that has to happen before you release an update that could potentially brick hundreds of thousands of phones in one day. When working with a wireless carrier they must also test to make sure the radio is working properly with the network as well, in a variety of environments and situations.
If any problem comes up during these tests it has to start over again, if google has decided that 4.0.5 needs to be developed before they can re-test it, it's up to them. Google has never once stated a release date for ICS on our phones, sprint had it on an internal website for employees only (which could be a fake shot), not out there for public consumption. It's likely they are testing it internally and still awaiting approval somewhere down the line.
Just calm down, or just install the leak if you are really truely that desperate. The OTA will come out in due time and you'll look back at this and wonder how you could be so unreasonable.
They are releasing it as fast as humanly possible. Humans make mistakes, bugs can sometimes regress and appear again. Humans are flawed, humans write flawed code. Would you rather have a broken update or one that's stable enough to roll out to everyone?
Google, Sprint, and AT&T could all handle this better with some actual communication. However, I don't think any of them are holding back ICS intentionally. They are obviously working out issues and when they feel it is ready, they will release it. I'm not sure what the original poster is trying to gain by this crusade.
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Google, Sprint, and AT&T could all handle this better with some actual communication. However, I don't think any of them are holding back ICS intentionally. They are obviously working out issues and when they feel it is ready, they will release it. I'm not sure what the original poster is trying to gain by this crusade.
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I am trying to gain some transparency. I never stated that I thought ICS was being held back. But lets face it, there is no money in updating phones. The money is in selling them. I do believe that if more resources were put into development of updates it would result in faster updates. You would think this would be a priority for Google, at least with their flagship line of Nexus phones. Really, if this is what the "Nexus Experience" is supposed to be, then I am not on board. Second Sprint should have never sold this phone as a Nexus experience with "updates as soon as humanly possible" because the NS4G is not updated like the other GSM devices. Even Google has pulled CDMA Nexus's from it's Nexus developer page basically admitting that the update process works differently than the real (GSM) Nexus devices. I have a feeling this will all be happening again in a year when updates are needed for the Verizon and Sprint Galaxy Nexus.
My main goal is to draw attention to Sprint's and Google's mistakes as this whole process couldn't have been any more messed up. The more people that start criticizing these companies when they blatantly screw up the better off we will be in the long run. Staying silent for this long is just not the right way to be treating your customers. Especially when those customers are mainly the developers (Nexus devices are developer phones) who bolstered your OS to the number one OS in the world.
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My main goal is to draw attention to Sprint's and Google's mistakes as this whole process couldn't have been any more messed up. The more people that start criticizing these companies when they blatantly screw up the better off we will be in the long run. Staying silent for this long is just not the right way to be treating your customers. Especially when those customers are mainly the developers (Nexus devices are developer phones) who bolstered your OS to the number one OS in the world.
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I don't think creating a blog full of screenshots of you ranting at community managers (that have no sway or special information, or right to speak on sprint's behalf) is helping at all.
Explain what you think 'as fast as humanly possible' means in the context of a highly complex and sensitive phone software rollout. There is a lot that could go wrong and delay an update, you know the update is coming. You are not paying a monthly fee for updates to your phone, find me the line in your phone contract that says that. A line on a product's website isn't a contractually binding agreement, maybe false advertising. If you wanted to prove that however you'd need proof that google and sprint engineers weren't even working on porting the software, and we know they are.
IMHO this is a little silly. Why does it even matter at this point? Almost every single ROM that is developed or being developed is ICS. We already have it so why would we need ota?
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I don't think creating a blog full of screenshots of you ranting at community managers (that have no sway or special information, or right to speak on sprint's behalf) is helping at all.
Explain what you think 'as fast as humanly possible' means in the context of a highly complex and sensitive phone software rollout. There is a lot that could go wrong and delay an update, you know the update is coming. You are not paying a monthly fee for updates to your phone, find me the line in your phone contract that says that. A line on a product's website isn't a contractually binding agreement, maybe false advertising. If you wanted to prove that however you'd need proof that google and sprint engineers weren't even working on porting the software, and we know they are.
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Yes it is false advertising. The Nexus S 4G was falsely advertised by Sprint to me and everyone else when purchasing it, as receiving "OS updates as soon as humanly possible". As for the definition I would consider it to be defined as the first time they released the OS back in December of last year. Google is to blame for making a shoddy OS that didn't work when it was released. If they would bother actually putting any real kind of money into the development and work force that does design these updates, then maybe it would have worked the first time they released it. But like I said before there is no money in updates, so the development of them will reflect that. Just like we have seen here.
Why you feel the need to protect billion dollar companies, I am not really sure. Any kind of company like these should be criticized constantly, otherwise they will walk all over us, just as they are in this situation. The bottom line is Sprint and Google have screwed up. The more attention that is drawn to that fact, the better. More transparency is needed in Sprint and Google's relationship with their customers and that is not going to be fixed by people like you that are making excuses for them.
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Google is to blame for making a shoddy OS that didn't work when it was released. If they would bother actually putting any real kind of money into the development and work force that does design these updates, then maybe it would have worked the first time they released it. But like I said before there is no money in updates, so the development of them will reflect that. Just like we have seen here.
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And you just lost the argument entirely. Android 4.0 was developed for one phone at the start, the Galaxy Nexus, they stated it would come to the Nexus S eventually. Your argument is that the software is crap because they haven't written the device drivers fast enough for you. You want them to release broken software because you are entitled to fast updates.
Apparently to you 'as fast as humanly possible' means something entirely different, where humans are perfect creatures that never make coding mistakes. And on the off chance that the code was perfect to start it still takes time to TEST, time that has paid off already because they would have released a buggy update.
You can't just hire more engineers and throw more money at something to make it go faster. You assume your monthly WIRELESS USAGE fees go towards software development for one of sprint's 20+ phones. They don't.
Get over your false entitlement, they don't owe you anything.
lol @ people getting angry over ICS not being released yet
.... clearly you didn't have an Epic 4g and have to wait from September to March of the next year for Gingerbread.... we have nothing to complain about here in the NS4g forums
Quite honestly, yes the wait sucks, but it'll be worth it to not have the same type of bugs as NS3G users on TMobile and other international carries are facing. I used OICS then went back to gingerbread in December and have been waiting until the official OTA because I know it'll be better than ANY of the roms we have yet! Yes Sprint sucks, but they're trying to protect us. Also, as aforementioned by snowmanwithahat, at least we aren't like Epic 4G users and waiting 6 months or the other countless people in 2 year contracts not even on GB. Plus, no other phone that isn't a Nexus S has gotten the OTA yet so until then I'm still happy. I will, however, be furious if any other Sprint phone gets it first... Just my 2 pennies...
Since Android was released, I've been a huge fan and my first Android phone was the HTC G1. All my phones since then have been Android with my current one being the Samsung Galaxy S2. While they have all been great, I have been really disappointed with not having timely Android OS updates. Some updates were skipped while others were delayed to the point that they were no longer the latest version by the time they were released. I then decided that my next phone would be a Nexus device. I was tempted by the Samsung Galaxy S3 when it came out by decided to hold out for the rumoured Nexus 4.
Everything I read about the N4 was looking promising but I'm not one to be an early adopter so when the N4 came out, I decided not to order it and wait for the early adopters to report any issues and make my decision based on that. When the 2nd wave of N4s came out, it was still too early as many people still had not gotten the N4 from the first wave so I decided to hold off yet again. I knew I'd be waiting until after Xmas for when I would likely be able to place my order.
Since early January, I have read a lot of user comments and I feel there is nothing being reported that has put me off. I am now in a position where I would be happy to purchase the N4 if/when it comes back on sale in the UK. I now hear rumours that this may not happen until mid-February. This would be around 3 months after it's initial release which is much longer than I hoped to wait for. I am really confused which way to go on this.
Reasons to skip the N4:
1. Being 3 months in probably means we're about 9 months away from the "Nexus 5". With JB update starting to roll out to the SGS2, I could quite possibly hold off until the N5. Also, there's no guarantee that the N4 supply won't be delayed further.
2. The flaky supply issues could indicate that LG accessories, spares and repairs could be affected as well. Even if available, they may charge a disproportional amount compared to the phone price.
3. I'm intrigued by the rumours of the Motorola X phone.
Reasons to buy the N4:
1. The N4 is still a great phone even if I only get my hands on it in late Feb. I don't use the phone for gaming so the spec of the phone could easily last me 2 years (or whenever I get tempted by another phone).
2. Google and LG have really shaken the market by bringing this phone at such a low price point. I'm hoping it will lead the way for other manufacturers that top end phones shouldn't be such a huge price. Buying the N4 shows my consumer support for this thinking. As a consumer, wouldn't we all love cheaper (top end) phones.
Any thoughts, suggestions?
Buy. It.
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The only thing REALLY bugging me about the N4 is that google hasn't restocked in over a month.
You said the thing that bothers you most is lack of timely updates. Buy it and be happy.
When the n5 comes out you can sell the n4 with minimal loss. Go for it.
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Being 3 months in probably means we're about 9 months away from the "Nexus 5". With JB update starting to roll out to the SGS2, I could quite possibly hold off until the N5. Also, there's no guarantee that the N4 supply won't be delayed further.
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I don't really understand this part, where you basically say "I've waited 3 months for the N4, I'd better wait 9 more to the N5".
You waited until after Christmas before deciding to place the order, so you've actually waited 1 month more than expected as of today. I think that's not that big deal.
In either case you're gonna wait, so why wait more?
Following your line of thought, you should wait 2 months after the N5 launch (if you want to wait for the opinion of the early adopters as you did for the N4) before buying it. This'll make you wait roughly a year from now.
Are you sure the N5 launch will be as smooth as butter? What if the N5 is another really well-built and cheap device... and you have just the whole world waiting to lay their hands on it?
Who says you'll be able to get the Nexus 5 at launch?
To sum it up: waiting for the new Nexus device is not worth the time. The Nexus 4 is an awesome device, buy it (sic)!
And if the Nexus 5 will prove being that much better smartphone, you'll still be able to sell the N4 at a great price and buy the N5 without a hitch.
And if the declarations of LG France are truthful, you'll probably have to wait just one more month before unwrapping your brand new LGE Nexus 4
If you need a new phone get one. Thats the way I roll. I'll use this phone until its old and busted, doesn't hold a charge, Or I crack the screen.
DO you NEED a new phone? Can you afford 350 in throw away cash?
Those are the only two things I can see stopping someone from buying anything.
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I don't really understand this part, where you basically say "I've waited 3 months for the N4, I'd better wait 9 more to the N5".
You waited until after Christmas before deciding to place the order, so you've actually waited 1 month more than expected as of today. I think that's not that big deal.
In either case you're gonna wait, so why wait more?
Following your line of thought, you should wait 2 months after the N5 launch (if you want to wait for the opinion of the early adopters as you did for the N4) before buying it. This'll make you wait roughly a year from now.
Are you sure the N5 launch will be as smooth as butter? What if the N5 is another really well-built and cheap device... and you have just the whole world waiting to lay their hands on it?
Who says you'll be able to get the Nexus 5 at launch?
To sum it up: waiting for the new Nexus device is not worth the time. The Nexus 4 is an awesome device, buy it (sic)!
And if the Nexus 5 will prove being that much better smartphone, you'll still be able to sell the N4 at a great price and buy the N5 without a hitch.
And if the declarations of LG France are truthful, you'll probably have to wait just one more month before unwrapping your brand new LGE Nexus 4
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I was calculating the 3 months wait based upon when I reckon the phone will come back in stock in UK and the earliest I'd get the phone in my hands. However, I do accept your point that if the N5 came out then I wouldn't get it at launch and would be waiting a month or two like I normally do. I guess the frustration of waiting for it to come back in stock made me mis-calculate the timings
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If you need a new phone get one. Thats the way I roll. I'll use this phone until its old and busted, doesn't hold a charge, Or I crack the screen.
DO you NEED a new phone? Can you afford 350 in throw away cash?
Those are the only two things I can see stopping someone from buying anything.
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I don't "Need" a new phone but I do "really really really want" one. I'm assuming you're talking about $350? In the UK the 16GB is only priced £280 (plus a little for postage). I can definitely afford this amount for the phone.
Ok, thanks for all the comments. My mind is made up, I'm getting the N4 as soon as it comes back in stock in the Play Store. Hopefully the Google Wireless charger will have been launched by then as well so I can have phone + accessories from day 1.
I managed to place my order bang on 3pm went it came back in stock in UK on Wednesday. It's already been delivered at home so I'll get a chance to play with it when I get back. Less than 43 hours from placing order to being delivered is pretty good. Looks like Google has definitely gotten their act together. I also see that they are still in stock showing 1 to 2 weeks shipping (which is what it said when I placed my order) so it's all looking very positive.
Ignore this, you've already got it lol
Enjoy
Hahah this thread is a fail/tool/troll nothing is bandwagon about the nexus 4, without forums you wouldn't have known about it..and BTW the gs3/note 2 are bandwagon devices...so what if its been out for 3 months its only been available 3 times since release...not even iPhone or any device has sold like that
"Vanilla android >jail broken iOS>90" TV's"
androidfoshizzle said:
Hahah this thread is a fail/tool/troll
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Actually it was a genuine question which everyone EXCEPT YOU seemed to have noticed.
androidfoshizzle said:
nothing is bandwagon about the nexus 4
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There's nothing negative about the term bandwagon (definition: joining a growing movement in support of someone or something). In my eyes it is a bandwagon as more and more people are starting to realise the benefit of a Pure Google Experience device.
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without forums you wouldn't have known about it
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Wrong again, do you honestly believe everyone gets new information just from forums? There are many other sources of information and I actually first heard about it from the many Android blogs I follow.
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so what if its been out for 3 months its only been available 3 times since release...not even iPhone or any device has sold like that
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Comparing based on the number of times it has sold out is pointless unless you factor in the number of units available each time. If they released it in smaller batches then I'm sure they would have more than 3 "sell outs".
The content of your post is both pointless and unhelpful as it is but the fact that you wrote it after I already posted that I've purchased the device AND taken delivery takes it to a whole new level. *slow clap*
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Actually it was a genuine question which everyone EXCEPT YOU seemed to have noticed.
There's nothing negative about the term bandwagon (definition: joining a growing movement in support of someone or something). In my eyes it is a bandwagon as more and more people are starting to realise the benefit of a Pure Google Experience device.
Wrong again, do you honestly believe everyone gets new information just from forums? There are many other sources of information and I actually first heard about it from the many Android blogs I follow.
Comparing based on the number of times it has sold out is pointless unless you factor in the number of units available each time. If they released it in smaller batches then I'm sure they would have more than 3 "sell outs".
The content of your post is both pointless and unhelpful as it is but the fact that you wrote it after I already posted that I've purchased the device AND taken delivery takes it to a whole new level. *slow clap*
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Thus thread is useless
"Vanilla android >jail broken iOS>90" TV's"
Motorola is still looking for a product manager for the X-Phone, so it isn't THAT close, and it's biggest advantage over the N4 will be probably be a 1080p screen, which is nigh-moot on a phone. It will probably have LTE variants, too.
Buy it.
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Actually it was a genuine question which everyone EXCEPT YOU seemed to have noticed.
There's nothing negative about the term bandwagon (definition: joining a growing movement in support of someone or something). In my eyes it is a bandwagon as more and more people are starting to realise the benefit of a Pure Google Experience device.
Wrong again, do you honestly believe everyone gets new information just from forums? There are many other sources of information and I actually first heard about it from the many Android blogs I follow.
Comparing based on the number of times it has sold out is pointless unless you factor in the number of units available each time. If they released it in smaller batches then I'm sure they would have more than 3 "sell outs".
The content of your post is both pointless and unhelpful as it is but the fact that you wrote it after I already posted that I've purchased the device AND taken delivery takes it to a whole new level. *slow clap*
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Nice one you made him look like a right tool.