hi,
guys, I don't want to dishearten you but did you think a minute about the way motorola will unlock your bootloader in the future update??
as they will release an update.zip like in the past, I'm not really sure if they will include the unlockable bootloader inside it and, not sure also if an android update can flash a bootloader. So I am a little anxious for you guys, mine is already unlocked...
Its unlocked for ever
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Its unlocked for ever
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you mean locked!? right? lol
Er, dude you really need to read a little bit more on Development forum D:...
Its already unlocked!
Cheers
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hi,
guys, I don't want to dishearten you but did you think a minute about the way motorola will unlock your bootloader in the future update??
as they will release an update.zip like in the past, I'm not really sure if they will include the unlockable bootloader inside it and, not sure also if an android update can flash a bootloader. So I am a little anxious for you guys, mine is already unlocked...
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Moto said they are going to do it. They already dont it on the leaked future builds, not to mention the one Kenn is running which is an ATT GB. Not to mention this is the same way the did it on the Xoom. Theres nothing to worry about, its unlocked 4 ever.
lol - it's already done.
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lol - it's already done.
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His point is he thinks its going to be removed from the final build. He states he is already unlocked himself.
LOL Someone needs to read through the forums. Bootloader is unlocked already.
Agree with Jay ... some one needs to read the OP ^_^ LOL
I, maybe just optimistically, think they will. The backlash, *****ing, low sales, the fact they said they would, and the fact that we have it already all points, IMO, to them releasing it. Motorola exec. - "Well the kids already have it so lets release it and make us look good." If they are on our side, at least give us what we want, they sell more. DROID - ground breaking - unlockable - sold like hot cakes. ATRIX - ground breaking - locked - not so much
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Does it really matter? For those that actually want an unlocked bootloader, they can get it in the dev forum. For the average user who will still get the OTA update, they probably didn't care about the bootloader to begin with.
Yaotl said:
Does it really matter? For those that actually want an unlocked bootloader, they can get it in the dev forum. For the average user who will still get the OTA update, they probably didn't care about the bootloader to begin with.
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yup and average users will not probably bother coming to xda.
@OP
you are 2-3 months late regarding the creation of this topic.
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yup and average users will not probably bother coming to xda.
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I'm guess i'm still an 'average user' when it comes to android, but this is where I came to become a superuser (pun intended). I don't think i'm ready to mess with the HK build yet, but I definitely plan to flash a few ROMs when the official unlocked GB update comes through. And if it gets yanked before the final release, hopefully i'll know enough by then to use kenneth's version, or if worst comes to worst, the HK build.
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I'm guess i'm still an 'average user' when it comes to android, but this is where I came to become a superuser (pun intended). I don't think i'm ready to mess with the HK build yet, but I definitely plan to flash a few ROMs when the official unlocked GB update comes through. And if it gets yanked before the final release, hopefully i'll know enough by then to use kenneth's version, or if worst comes to worst, the HK build.
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It's not like the HKTW build is as unstable as the build TBH gave us. The only things that don't work is the front facing camera, and fingerprint sensor.
I just didn't restore from a backup, and you can fix the WebTop. So my phone is running fine, and it seems even more stable than FroYo (Besides the obvious bugs)
tan G said:
hi,
guys, I don't want to dishearten you but did you think a minute about the way motorola will unlock your bootloader in the future update??
as they will release an update.zip like in the past, I'm not really sure if they will include the unlockable bootloader inside it and, not sure also if an android update can flash a bootloader. So I am a little anxious for you guys, mine is already unlocked...
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It really dose not matter if thay include the unlockable bootloader in every update or not. As long as their is a way for it to be done. Thats all the matters. Really only the N1 could be unlocked without much of any hassle. You just needed to know what commands to run,
Once its unlocked. Its unlocked. Cant go back. And just because you flash back to 1.57 or 1.83 and it no longer says "Unlocked" at the top. It is. All you need to do is flash the pudding and it will put those little words back.
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Er, dude you really need to read a little bit more on Development forum D:...
Its already unlocked!
Cheers
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this is not the case for other atrix versions than att
JayRolla said:
Moto said they are going to do it. They already dont it on the leaked future builds, not to mention the one Kenn is running which is an ATT GB. Not to mention this is the same way the did it on the Xoom. Theres nothing to worry about, its unlocked 4 ever.
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that build is a build for developer and developer devices, there is no garantee that it will be the same for user-end releases, anyway I really hope for all people that you're right.
the sbf used to unlock our phone now (att) has been packed by someone in the dev team may by eval or 2dc... or both
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His point is he thinks its going to be removed from the final build. He states he is already unlocked himself.
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thumbs up! that's what I said
I will always have an unlocked bootloader
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thumbs up! that's what I said
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tang no matter what update motorola does in the future they wont be able to take away the unlock already created. with that said this post is useless, and a mod should close it, this will give the wrong idea to anyone coming to the forum looking for the unlock. who knows what motorola will bring in the future, fact remains, is unlocked and it aint going back.
"Pandora dosnt go back in the box man - he only comes out!!!!"
Dont feed the troll!!!!!!
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Hello,
I am pondering the possibility to buy the Samsung Galaxy S II and have heard quite a few rumors that this phone will have a locked and encrypted boot loader making it impossible to use alternative ROMs.
I am sure hackers will take very little time in fixing this but am still wondering. Has anyone seen tangible claims of encrypted/lock boot compared to the I9000 (which I own atm).
Thanks!
Expansys has a 32 gb model listed as coming april 11th but pricing is not yet announced
galaxinho said:
Expansys has a 32 gb model listed as coming april 11th but pricing is not yet announced
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Yes, no definite date. Doesn't answer my question though
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Yes, no definite date. Doesn't answer my question though
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Samsung's own website mentions encryption, but doesn't give enough detail for us to know if it'll be custom ROM friendly yet. I'm sure it'll take very little time once the phone is released to let you know, just hold tight until then!
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Samsung's own website mentions encryption, but doesn't give enough detail for us to know if it'll be custom ROM friendly yet. I'm sure it'll take very little time once the phone is released to let you know, just hold tight until then!
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Link please?
I suppose you are referring to the data encryption that Samsung mentioned in its splash page? I really doubt they would post information about a Locked Bootloader on their website as it really wouldn't do them any good publicity wise.
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Link please?
I suppose you are referring to the data encryption that Samsung mentioned in its splash page? I really doubt they would post information about a Locked Bootloader on their website as it really wouldn't do them any good publicity wise.
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Yeah, I said encryption. Of course we have no idea about the bootloader until it's released or someone techy gets their hands on one! That's why I said we have to wait. Sorry if my post was ambiguous.
SamFirmware just tweeted, Samsung are using same ODIN for Galaxy S II, just with new .PIT file. So it will be flashable.
Broomfundel said:
SamFirmware just tweeted, Samsung are using same ODIN for Galaxy S II, just with new .PIT file. So it will be flashable.
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Yes saw that but it doesn't mean it is flashable just like that until you see it working. Good start anyway.
FRLinux said:
Hello,
I am pondering the possibility to buy the Samsung Galaxy S II and have heard quite a few rumors that this phone will have a locked and encrypted boot loader making it impossible to use alternative ROMs.
I am sure hackers will take very little time in fixing this but am still wondering. Has anyone seen tangible claims of encrypted/lock boot compared to the I9000 (which I own atm).
Thanks!
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There's already a running topic on this question found here.
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There's already a running topic on this question found here.
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Thanks spotted it afterwards.
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Thanks spotted it afterwards.
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No problem... Your not the only one who has started a topic and found later it's already running.
That link I passed you is actually a second topic on another which was started a day earlier here.
That means we now have three topics covering the same (although each will fragment as further posts are made).
Everyone has their needs/requirements for a phone but for me-personally to fulfill my individual desires and needs it would need to be unlocked 100%. Otherwise I will jsut have to keep my captivate
As I do not approve of manufacturers locking hardware that I paid for with my hard earned money and now own.
HappyBallz said:
Everyone has their needs/requirements for a phone but for me-personally to fulfill my individual desires and needs it would need to be unlocked 100%. Otherwise I will jsut have to keep my captivate
As I do not approve of manufacturers locking hardware that I paid for with my hard earned money and now own.
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Seem the norm these days on android handsets but keep in mind that the mobile market has always liked a locked an tight device.
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SE was from the very few to lock the bootloader with X10 and now they decided to unlock the simfree Arc, HTC locked their Incredible S in another hand
I don't think sammy will lock the bootloader,just a little security for the formalities that can be easily decoded by happy devs
vegetaleb said:
SE was from the very few to lock the bootloader with X10 and now they decided to unlock the simfree Arc, HTC locked their Incredible S in another hand
I don't think sammy will lock the bootloader,just a little security for the formalities that can be easily decoded by happy devs
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Yes over time there is always a way. But that said, new devices tend to have better boot loader locking.
Has there been any update on whether the S2 have a locked bootloader?
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Has there been any update on whether the S2 have a locked bootloader?
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Search this very forum. Several threads opened about this but only speculations until someone has one and messes with it.
Locked bootloader...
So I see the chat regarding the locked bootloader on the sg2...I also see people on the forum actually have the device...could they some how check and see if it is locked?
I have been going round in circles looking for a new phone...finally decided on the sam sg2 to find out they are going down the same route as moto!
So, to all the happy owners of a shiney new sg2...whats the dealo!?!?!?
owners of the sgs2 in this forum? you must be mistaken lol...
sam locking the bootloader? who told you that nonsense?
they wouldnt dare to lock the bootloader. its 1 of many reason why sgs 1 succeeded as it did.
if they want sgs2 to be a successful device as well they wont lock the bootloader. it makes sense that the bootloader will be UNlocked.. but then again you can never tell... we might be like if we will find out its locked. followed by and then after we will unlock it. leading to
As you've probably seen, the2dCour has a very tasty morsel of what's to come for us all. He's one of the many great people in #moto-atrix, including Jug6, Edgan, Sogarth, unknown, Brandon15811, and helpful friends, Pauly, dasmoover, cranch, YellowGTO and more, who have been helping me poke at the Atrix for many weeks. Also, if I know anything at all (I don't) it's thanks to [mbm] and Skrilax and xvilka and the others who implemented the hard work of 2nd init and kexec and beat their head against Motorola's signature chain on the previous generation of phones.
But our biggest thanks go to Motorola. A very friendly 'community-minded engineer' at Motorola posted an interesting message in hex on their support forums yesterday. Turns out, maybe it's no joke after all.
(http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1134786)
This got me to thinking. I was already looking through some of the ascii / hex of the bootloaders. Search for VOID and you'll find something completely new in the HKTW (Hong Kong / Taiwan) build, which is not in the CGs for any prior Atrix bootloader:
Code:
$ strings CG42.img | grep INFO
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INFOUnlocking your device can permanently VOID your warranty.
INFOThis process cannot be reversed. If you wish to proceed,
INFOreissue the unlock OEM command containing the unique ID
INFOof your device:
On Edgan's engineering phone, the HKTW build enables a command you may all be familiar with:
fastboot oem unlock
It looks as if it asks you to issue the command twice, after giving you a unique ID (based on your phone) you must enter in. Surrounding parts of the CG suggest this will wipe your userdata much like a "fastboot -w" currently does. Our hypothesis about the fuses may also be backwards, and it is unlocking which burns a fuse, thus making this an operation which "cannot be reversed."
So, I think we can all look forward to Gingerbread's release for many reasons!!!
PS. Beyond voiding the warranty, or access to support, such an operation could potentially make your phone ineligible for OTAs, future retail .sbfs, etc... and we do not yet know which carriers will get it. So don't get TOO excited
PPS. If this is headed to the official release, I'd like to give a HUGE thanks to Irwin Proud and all the others who petitioned Motorola to make this happen!
But there's no time to rest. Now we must pressure all the carriers!
Confirmed working for AT&T users!! Eval emailed me the good news this morning, so we tried it on leaked GB for the Atrix 4G on AT&T.
http://briefmobile.com/exclusive-atrix-4g-bootloader-unlocked-with-android-2-3-update
I tested it out on my Gingerbread beta builds.
This is excellent news everyone.
Be patient, we need to see if this update hits all our devices, but when it does, I guarantee there will be no shortage of Roms and Mods that will come as a result.
I actually think Motorola may see a spike in sales when 2.3.3 hits their Atrix phones.
Thank you everyone who showed your support for the Unlock Motorola campaign and went out of their way to make their voices heard. Together we stand and together we claim victory.
Thank you Motorola.
Intresting
Yay!
Of course, the question becomes... what next?
Sogarth said:
Yay!
Of course, the question becomes... what next?
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Now that Moto's on our side I will (proudly) use my lapdock. How's your awesome Webtop2SD with my mknod sdcard hack going?
But yes, someone must do the much more time-consuming work of porting CM or other AOSP forks. And we have to pray AT&T lets this happen...
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eval- said:
But yes, someone must do the much more time-consuming work of porting CM or other AOSP forks. And we have to pray AT&T lets this happen...
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When this happens, I WILL pinch myself to make sure I'm not dreaming!!
If Bell, lets say, got this and at&t didn't, would we be able to somehow port it?
Swyped from my HoneyGlowed Atrix
Way to guy team This kicks ass!
P.S. the2d is a troll..but a damn good one.
Has this been actually verified, (is there a way to verify on an engineering phone?), as unlocking a bootloader, or is this at the moment still speculation as to what might be possible after the GB update?
Could this just be Moto laying the groundwork for a future update which unlocks the bootloader without us having to do it ourselves voiding warranties, etc?
wakka wakka wakka
crossing fingers
wow! That's awesome news! Can't wait to hear if it's verified.
Verified -- http://briefmobile.com/exclusive-atrix-4g-bootloader-unlocked-with-android-2-3-update
Video in a bit.
kennethpenn said:
Verified -- http://briefmobile.com/exclusive-atrix-4g-bootloader-unlocked-with-android-2-3-update
Video in a bit.
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Im cheesing so hard right now
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Very interesting! Of course, if we have Gingerbread, not much point in CM7 for me, is there an ice cream sandwich or whatever in between or after any time soon from the CyanogenMod bunch?
Cheers!
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Confirmed working for AT&T users!!
http://briefmobile.com/exclusive-atrix-4g-bootloader-unlocked-with-android-2-3-update
I tested it out on my Gingerbread beta builds.
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Holy freakin hell!!! Awesome just awesome!! Can ATT actually stop this from happening though?
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Im cheesing so hard right now
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I have a raging clue right now
Just as I put my Atrix up for sale . Good news if the OTA comes out like this. I'll keep it and see i think!
Now let's get that CWM Recovery on it!
The following was posted about 30 minutes ago on the Moto forums by forum manager Mark:
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1,360. Jul 7, 2011 1:23 PM (in response to berzerker)
When is the next firmware update to gingerbread 2.3. Let's try to stay on topic, and have fun.
1. It's kind of a loaded question. "about to start" and "a while" mean different things to different people. No lie, it's difficult to manage everyone's expectations. I don't want to set the wrong expectations. Mis-interpretation just leads to frustration and further pessimism. I don't want to promise something that I don't have the control over delivery. I wouldn't expect any soak sign-up, at minimum, for another week. Soon as we get closer to soak I'll invite everyone.
2. As mentioned before we are working on a Unlockable Bootloader solution for release later this year where our carrier partners will allow it. This isn't specific to any product or carrier. Further details will be released as they are known.
Mark
Support Forums Manager
https://supportforums.motorola.com/thread/45654?start=1350&tstart=0
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Interesting that the unlocked bootloader seems to be separated from the GB update in the second post. Makes it look like the unlocked bootloader will not be coming till much later.
CaelanT said:
Interesting that the unlocked bootloader seems to be separated from the GB update in the second post. Makes it look like the unlocked bootloader will not be coming till much later.
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And even then, only when the carriers allow it. Will AT&T ever allow something like that? I say hell no.
Mark with Moto said:
2. As mentioned before we are working on a Unlockable Bootloader solution for release later this year where our carrier partners will allow it.
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And even then, only when the carriers allow it. Will AT&T ever allow something like that? I say hell no.
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Except that all AT&T phones can already be unlocked with pudding, so it doesn't matter if they allow it or not.
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And even then, only when the carriers allow it. Will AT&T ever allow something like that? I say hell no.
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AT&T sells android phones that already have unlocked bootloaders and I do not see them having a reason to deny the update.
With that said pudding will give you unlocked bootloader, once applied, FOREVER! so it will not matter at this point if they allow it or not
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AT&T sells android phones that already have unlocked bootloaders and I do not see them having a reason to deny the update.
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They do? Which ones? Last I checked, all sorts of phones have locked bootloaders. It's just that Moto's the only one who actually does more than simply lock it.
If the soak test sign ups started in a week, you could look at soak testing starting a week later, and if past updates are anything to go by, an update another week later if all went well. That puts the GB update at in the last week of July.
On the locked bootloader, a lot of people said they will not unlock until they get the official update enabling this, so although many of us are already locked, many people are probably getting screwed. Might push them to just unlock now.
Squeak22 said:
Except that all AT&T phones can already be unlocked with pudding, so it doesn't matter if they allow it or not.
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In a sense, yes. A question, and then my thoughts.
While the AT&T bootloader can be unlocked now, is it possible (not likely, just possible) from a technical standpoint, that Moto could release a GB update that would prevent pudding from working? Say GB is release next week. A month from now a guy buys an Atrix, pulls it out the box with GB. Could that GB update prevent him from unlocking the bootloader? I think it's possible this could happen.
Further, my thoughts are that there is concern for future Moto devices on AT&T. We have a reasonable solution now, for this phone. What about future Moto devices? I don't think AT&T would allow such an unlock.
ClearFire said:
AT&T sells android phones that already have unlocked bootloaders and I do not see them having a reason to deny the update.
With that said pudding will give you unlocked bootloader, once applied, FOREVER! so it will not matter at this point if they allow it or not
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Which phones on AT&T come with an unlocked bootloader? Or do you just mean that they sell phones that have bootloaders that can be unlocked? Big difference, IMO. HTC doesn't care if you unlock their bootloader. Moto says you need carrier permission. What makes you think AT&T would ever grant such permission?
As for the rest, see my questions in my previous post. I'm not sure on the technical aspects of it, but I can see this making a difference in future devices, and possibly future Atrixes that are sold...
To hell with Motorola is all I can say. How can you start a project with no planned end dates. this is utter BS.
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Which phones on AT&T come with an unlocked bootloader? Or do you just mean that they sell phones that have bootloaders that can be unlocked? Big difference, IMO. HTC doesn't care if you unlock their bootloader. Moto says you need carrier permission. What makes you think AT&T would ever grant such permission?
As for the rest, see my questions in my previous post. I'm not sure on the technical aspects of it, but I can see this making a difference in future devices, and possibly future Atrixes that are sold...
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Inspire, Captivate, Infuse. Maybe a few more. These all allow for custom ROMs and kernels, and it's only Motorola trying to lock us down. HTC doesn't care, and the Inspire has tons of ROMs and kernels. Same with the Cappy. So why is it only Motorola if it's the carrier who wants it locked?
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Inspire, Captivate, Infuse. Maybe a few more. These all allow for custom ROMs and kernels, and it's only Motorola trying to lock us down. HTC doesn't care, and the Inspire has tons of ROMs and kernels. Same with the Cappy. So why is it only Motorola if it's the carrier who wants it locked?
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I agree, they are just trying to think that there are fools out there who will believe there BS reasons.
Rootzwiki just tweeted that Droid 3 is coming with a locked BL as well....WTF!
munchy_cool said:
Rootzwiki just tweeted that Droid 3 is coming with a locked BL as well....WTF!
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No way... Wow. Those Droid 3 users are going to raise a **** storm
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Inspire, Captivate, Infuse. Maybe a few more. These all allow for custom ROMs and kernels, and it's only Motorola trying to lock us down. HTC doesn't care, and the Inspire has tons of ROMs and kernels. Same with the Cappy. So why is it only Motorola if it's the carrier who wants it locked?
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My theory on this is that carriers were willing to subsidize manufacturers' bootloader lockdowns that ensured the carrier bloatware would remain installed and stuff like tethering could be mitigated. Perhaps AT&T paid Motorola more than other manufacturers, so it's a matter of arguing over money.
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Inspire, Captivate, Infuse. Maybe a few more. These all allow for custom ROMs and kernels, and it's only Motorola trying to lock us down. HTC doesn't care, and the Inspire has tons of ROMs and kernels. Same with the Cappy. So why is it only Motorola if it's the carrier who wants it locked?
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Unlocked, or unlockable? If they are unlocked out of the box... I don't know. Maybe if presented with a choice (what Moto is doing), they would say no. But they wouldn't push for it up front. Maybe?? I don't know.
I still think they are just unlockable, and not unlocked out of the box. HTC allows for an unlock solution (my guess is so does Samsung). Not sure on LG. Moto decides to ask carrier permission.
I still see no reason why AT&T would approve such a thing. We haven't had a carrier-sold Nexus, and I'm not holding out hope we will. Look at how AT&T has crippled Android before: no sideloading, limiting apps, etc. And now you think they'll play nice with everyone?? LOL
I respect you, and I respect your opinion. I politely disagree. I don't think AT&T is the most advanced-user-friendly carrier (or dev-friendly, but we're not all devs here). Moto is certainly not the most dev friendly with the efuse and locked bootloaders. Combine the two and it's a damn mess. Shame, because I really like this lapdock feature that Moto wants to do more of.
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Inspire, Captivate, Infuse. Maybe a few more. These all allow for custom ROMs and kernels, and it's only Motorola trying to lock us down. HTC doesn't care, and the Inspire has tons of ROMs and kernels. Same with the Cappy. So why is it only Motorola if it's the carrier who wants it locked?
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No, those have LOCKED bootloaders. They're just easy to get past. Moto's aren't.
NoNameAtAll said:
No, those have LOCKED bootloaders. They're just easy to get past. Moto's aren't.
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because Motorola encrypts them with signed keys ...
NoNameAtAll said:
No, those have LOCKED bootloaders. They're just easy to get past. Moto's aren't.
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Correct. Wife has Inspire and it's locked.
Have to create gold card to unlock it.
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To hell with Motorola is all I can say. How can you start a project with no planned end dates. this is utter BS.
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Either way, WE already have an unlocked bootloader. So as far as I'm concerned I'll never get the GB update because I'll be too busy ditching Motorola altogether. The only moto left on this phone is the name under the earpiece..
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thebeardedchild said:
Either way, WE already have an unlocked bootloader. So as far as I'm concerned I'll never get the GB update because I'll be too busy ditching Motorola altogether. The only moto left on this phone is the name under the earpiece..
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yeah man, same here just waiting for the custom ROM's to come.
Hi
Do you guys know whether there's a way to unlock the bootloader of this device (not the development version)? Or maybe there will be a way to unlock it? Is there any team that tries to customize this new device?
Thanks!
yairku said:
Hi
Do you guys know whether there's a way to unlock the bootloader of this device (not the development version)? Or maybe there will be a way to unlock it? Is there any team that tries to customize this new device?
Thanks!
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Not currently. possibly never.
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Sad to hear that. Thanks.
yairku said:
Hi
Do you guys know whether there's a way to unlock the bootloader of this device (not the development version)? Or maybe there will be a way to unlock it? Is there any team that tries to customize this new device?
Thanks!
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Are you trying to get the subsidized version and then unlock it? hehe I couldn't think of another reason why to not get the Developer Edition with it being unlocked to start off with. :cyclops: Not a bad idea though but nice try...probably would go that route if the developer community could unlock it as well.
Are they the same price? Is one off I'd the contract
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Are they the same price? Is one off I'd the contract
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Yes, they are both the same price off contract. If you think you might ever want to unlock and root, you should get the Developer's Edition. It's still covered by warranty until you unlock it, so if you don't unlock, it's just like getting the regular one. However, you get the potential to unlock, and if you decide to sell a few months later, it will likely have a higher resale value (at least to those of us who want to unlock it, anyway).
Can you get the dev on verizon? Thankd
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Can you get the dev on verizon? Thankd
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Yes, but you have to order it from Motorola. Verizon stores don't sell it.
Really doesn't matter tho because 99% of people are going to buy it from Verizon with a locked in bootloader so you're not likely to see much dev for unlocked versions. So if almost everyone is using a workaround you'll have to use it even tho it's not needed. I hope it gets cracked tho
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Clienterror said:
Really doesn't matter tho because 99% of people are going to buy it from Verizon with a locked in bootloader so you're not likely to see much dev for unlocked versions. So if almost everyone is using a workaround you'll have to use it even tho it's not needed. I hope it gets cracked tho
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Plenty of devs are getting them. I know for sure dhacker29 will be getting one soon hehe.
Check out http://aosp.us/ they already have root, 2 custom recoveries, and source roms on the way
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Plenty of devs are getting them. I know for sure dhacker29 will be getting one soon hehe.
Check ou, they already have root, 2 custom recoveries, and source roms on the way
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Are you sure that they are the real root ? It looks suspicious.. :cyclops: ..
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Are you sure that they are the real root ? It looks suspicious.. :cyclops: ..
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...says the guy who seems to have been around for 2 mins. Do you know who Matt is? LOL...
I'm new to Moto devices, I do not know who Matt is although I think I've seen his name someplace? Lol. I doubt it'll ever happen but I hope that theyll crack the VZW version of the M. That'd be cool
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Plenty of devs are getting them. I know for sure dhacker29 will be getting one soon hehe.
Check out http://aosp.us/ they already have root, 2 custom recoveries, and source roms on the way
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No no I didn't mean there won't be devs for this phone I ment that probably almost everyone will be buying it from Verizon IE locked bootloader so there probably won't be much if any dev for the unlocked version bought from Motorola. I know they'll be deving and work arounds I'm not THAT silly
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It's the other way around actually, the development for the locked bootloader version will be severely limited by the inability to root, whereas the development for the unlocked developer edition is proceeding quickly. The one significant hurdle for source compiled ROMs and kernels right now is the Prima WiFi driver, which does not compile properly and the proprietary source code was not released.
Unless and until a viable root exploit is achieved for the stock version there will be very little development for it.
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It's the other way around actually, the development for the locked bootloader version will be severely limited by the inability to root, whereas the development for the unlocked developer edition is proceeding quickly. The one significant hurdle for source compiled ROMs and kernels right now is the Prima WiFi driver, which does not compile properly and the proprietary source code was not released.
Unless and until a viable root exploit is achieved for the stock version there will be very little development for it.
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Dang that sucks when I had the original Atrix wr got lucky and got a leak to unlock it. I'm not sure if Google has locked it like moto but they have pretty brutal locks. Hope you guys get root soon then hopefully a BL unlocked I'd be interested in going to the M cause my s3 is a little big for my tastes and I've always loved the Razr line.
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root is easily achieved once the bootloader is unlocked. As CellZealot said, the main hangup and the piece I've been banging my head on for the past 5 days is how to get the Prima Wifi Driver to work. I have a vendor setup and if/when I can get the prima driver built I'll move on.
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root is easily achieved once the bootloader is unlocked. As CellZealot said, the main hangup and the piece I've been banging my head on for the past 5 days is how to get the Prima Wifi Driver to work. I have a vendor setup and if/when I can get the prima driver built I'll move on.
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Threadjack for a minute, but do you or your team have any idea of trying to get the M working on AT&T or T-Mobile? I'm assuming it won't work on the regular M unless we somehow get root or a bootloader unlock, but maybe it could be done on the Developer Edition?
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Threadjack for a minute, but do you or your team have any idea of trying to get the M working on AT&T or T-Mobile? I'm assuming it won't work on the regular M unless we somehow get root or a bootloader unlock, but maybe it could be done on the Developer Edition?
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The radios are there to work on US GSM but as of right now they are not able to find a US GSM signal. We are looking in to getting that rectified as well.
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The radios are there to work on US GSM but as of right now they are not able to find a US GSM signal. We are looking in to getting that rectified as well.
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Awesome. It would probably be a lot cheaper for me to get an M from the US than trying to import one from Australia or the i from the UK, so if you guys can get it working on US GSM networks, that will be great.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Moto...soak-test-prior-to-Android-6.0-update_id87282
The Update is official and is coming soon!!
Horaaay
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http://www.phonearena.com/news/Moto...soak-test-prior-to-Android-6.0-update_id87282
The Update is official and is coming soon!!
Horaaay
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end of the line for updates. but i love my xt1254, 2 years old and smokes most newer phones. out performs almost everything i think pff and at 21mp i can record much better amature porn lol
How much time this soak test will take?
hmm.
I SURE HOPE NOBODY LEAKS THE ROM FROM THE SOAK TEST somehow.
We don't know for sure this is 6.0, do we? There's nothing in the picture that indicates that it's 6.0. For all we know it might be another patch to stop Sunshine.
Which would really be an insult. We (VZ) can't give you OS and security updates but we darn well try to be sure you don't update your phone yourself.
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We don't know for sure this is 6.0, do we? There's nothing in the picture that indicates that it's 6.0. For all we know it might be another patch to stop Sunshine.
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hmm.
I SURE HOPE NOBODY LEAKS THE ROM FROM THE SOAK TEST somehow.
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Very subtle /sarcasm
I am rather counting on it. I have RR 6.0.1 and love it. It is fast, stable and has cool features. However the official build with VoLTE would have merit. I am sure it is just a matter of time.
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hmm.
I SURE HOPE NOBODY LEAKS THE ROM FROM THE SOAK TEST somehow.
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hmm.
I SURE HOPE NOBODY LEAKS THE ROM FROM THE SOAK TEST somehow.
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Someone needs to be the guinea pig to see whether it relocks, the bootloader.
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Someone needs to be the guinea pig to see whether it relocks, the bootloader.
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No one needs be the guinea pig, but someone does need to look at the update script to see if a bootloader relock command is in it. Betcha it isn't.
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No one needs be the guinea pig, but someone does need to look at the update script to see if a bootloader relock command is in it. Betcha it isn't.
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This is Verizon we're talking about. Wouldn't surprise me if it does relock.
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This is Verizon we're talking about. Wouldn't surprise me if it does relock.
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Judging from the threads of what happened to the phones of people who tried to do that, it would result in a ton of warranty claims. Verizon doesn't want that.
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Judging from the threads of what happened to the phones of people who tried to do that, it would result in a ton of warranty claims. Verizon doesn't want that.
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Right. The potential downside is far larger than any gain to Verizon from relocking the bootloader.
They WILL probably lock down the phone from the Sunshine exploit with the new update, and probably they'll lock it down for good this time. So if you want to unlock your phone, do it before the next update.
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Right. The potential downside is far larger than any gain to Verizon from relocking the bootloader.
They WILL probably lock down the phone from the Sunshine exploit with the new update, and probably they'll lock it down for good this time. So if you want to unlock your phone, do it before the next update.
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while i completely agree, it would be funny if Lenovo *actually, for once fixed* what Motorola used to do. in this scenario, they should open the floodgates, and just allow unlock for all turbos bl for everyone. Two years later, i am sure there are few, if any, still retaining warranty and stuck on contract.
limit the time that you agree to keep phones bootloader locked. and always, always, always give the 1% of the 1% of users the option to buy a dev edition.
back to the point, it would cost them more money to write that into the update for the sake of us 1%ers, so i dont see it happening.
time will tell if the turbo is another a855; that phone people cling to for 2-3 years realizing upgrading isnt that necessary. I'm ready for a new one. but i refuse to buy another non- bootloader unlockable phone EVER. and nothing at all is really impressive at this point. the Axon 7 is awesome. and a maybe. but moto lost it. if they made a 2016 MXPE with an sd 820 better battery and wireless charging and all carriers radios, id pay $600 in a heartbeat. but what do 1%ers know? lol.
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while i completely agree, it would be funny if Lenovo *actually, for once fixed* what Motorola used to do. in this scenario, they should open the floodgates, and just allow unlock for all turbos bl for everyone. Two years later, i am sure there are few, if any, still retaining warranty and stuck on contract.
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They don't give a crap about warranty claims...it's always been about control for Verizon. Used to, it was down to them not wanting people to tether and take advantage of their high/unlimited data caps...since that's been built into Android for several versions now, I'm not sure what their rationale for disallowing unlocks is. Probably to prevent what we're doing; upgrading the software on our more-than-adequate hardware.
They'd rather you lock yourself into a contract and buy one of their new phones, after all. Trying to force you to do so is worth having one of their devs spend an hour or three to port the exploit patch(es) and write a code snippet to lock the bootloader, and not providing an unlock service just saves them money.
As for Lenovorola, they couldn't care less; they've already made any money that they can off of the phones. There's zero incentive for them to help in any way, especially since the phone is over two years old and was designed/produced during the promising-looking period that Google owned Motorola. They, too, would prefer you buy a new phone, perhaps one of their increasingly-generic ones.
So yea...it's still in VZW's best interest to be slightly scummy about the bootloader situation. They'll make more money off spending a bit to continue to (try to) exert their control, rather than caring about what any of their customers want.
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I like this bit at the end of the article:
There is one bit of bad news here for DROID Turbo owners. Since the device is not expected to be updated to Android 7.0, this is the end of the line in terms of Android updates for the model.
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Considering official MM on Verizon was looking more and more unlikely to materialize, I imagine that most will just shrug their shoulders at this. It's been a given for a long time that the Turbo was hanging on to VZW's upgrade list by its fingernails.
Sweet!
@jcase says he has a copy of Verizon's Marshmallow. It's coming.
He also says it much harder to unlock the bootloader, so best to do it now if you are going to do it.
Hopefully this is another fake soak and they release it concurrently. From what I've heard, a lot of prior moto soaks were put out as otas almost at the same time. As Verizon users, we need that radio for our nougat rom!!!
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Hopefully this is another fake soak and they release it concurrently. From what I've heard, a lot of prior moto soaks were put out as otas almost at the same time. As Verizon users, we need that radio for our nougat rom!!!
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one of the reasons i quit being a soak tester, it was pointless.
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one of the reasons i quit being a soak tester, it was pointless.
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Hehe, Verizon didn't like knowing I was rooted. They dropped me from the program.