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I mean, the transformer is coming out with a dock at the same price everywhere.
Don't you think that gtab10.1 sales are doomed unless samsung comes up with a keyboard dock like the transformer one ?
I fear that when asus will start their ad campains people will only retain "ANDROID tablet = also a laptop" in their heads. I feel for samsung if the gtab 10.1 fails again like the original galaxytab because of simply that.
Especially after the charming overhaul of the design. An aluminium keyboard dock with usb/hdmi and sd ports in it would be kick ass even if it's sold 200$.
It isn't worth it at $200.
The 64gb 3g version will cost around MSRP $800 plus another $200 for the kb makes it a $1000 investment.
Compared to $700-800 for Asus with keyboard and 64gb 3g and everything the same plus usb port, makes it in favor of the Asus.
Samsung will fail if the keyboard crosses $100, at least on that front.
Asus kb is for $125 in Taiwan and 60 pounds in UK and about 60 or so euros in Europe. Only US is expensive with $100-150.
And they need to come up with a wireless keyboard and I am sure they will!
Not at all. I personally don't think the Asus Transformer will only appeal to a very narrow demographic. While it is a great piece of hardware, it is far too "geeky" for the average consumer.
Samsung is already a mainstream brand having sold zillions of TVs and other home appliances over many years.
The Tab also has a more sleek design which has the potential to sway many would-be iPad buyers.
Also, I wouldn't say the original Tab was a failure. It might not have made mega bucks for Samsung but it had a big impact on the Android tablet market as a whole. It made people sit up and take notice of the future potential of Android as an alternative to the iPad.
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Exactly what makes the Transformer geeky?
I feel as if the Transformer should have came with the keyboard... not bought separately. I thought that was the entire point of buying the thing. And no, I don't believe ASUS's giant-bezel tablet will hurt the Tabs. Samsung is an advertising behemoth with brand recognition and lovely hardware design. Also don't forget about TouchWiz, they've made Honeycomb's Tron esque look much more colorful and less
dark, which believe it or not people will adore.
Transformer is going to be heavy and thick. I doubt the thinner, lighter Tab will have a problem other than competing price point.
Not all people would like the dock
Me, for example. I don't like it at all.
I prefer thin and light device.
No dock for me either. The 10.1 is perfect
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I mean, the transformer is coming out with a dock at the same price everywhere.
Don't you think that gtab10.1 sales are doomed unless samsung comes up with a keyboard dock like the transformer one ?
I fear that when asus will start their ad campains people will only retain "ANDROID tablet = also a laptop" in their heads. I feel for samsung if the gtab 10.1 fails again like the original galaxytab because of simply that.
Especially after the charming overhaul of the design. An aluminium keyboard dock with usb/hdmi and sd ports in it would be kick ass even if it's sold 200$.
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I'll definitely be getting the tab whether or not a dock is released. I don't think I'd use a dock that much but if they do release a dock for a fair price then I may consider it.
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Dunno but the gtab10.1 is only about 70grams lighter and 4mm thinner than the transformer (and that's at the transformer's fattest point, since it's a curved back the transformer on the sides is pretty much as thin as the gtab).
I don’t want a dock, don’t need a keyboard just a thin/light device which is what the 10.1 is.
Even as a desk dock the transformer keyboard owns everything.
Also, when I read people saying "just want a light & thin device" I wonder if you ever even tried to watch a several minute long video while holding a tablet in front of you. Good luck with "light" lol, I don't think light comes off as an argument preventing usage exhaustion unless it's something like a 300g tablet or less.
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Even as a desk dock the transformer keyboard owns everything.
Also, when I read people saying "just want a light & thin device" I wonder if you ever even tried to watch a several minute long video while holding a tablet in front of you. Good luck with "light" lol, I don't think light comes off as an argument preventing usage exhaustion unless it's something like a 300g tablet or less.
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Yet, I'm guessing that docks like the Atrix Dock and the transformer dock will become common. So if there will be one for the Galaxy Tab 10.1, why not get that so you can have a THIN laptop/tablet thing?
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Yet, I'm guessing that docks like the Atrix Dock and the transformer dock will become common. So if there will be one for the Galaxy Tab 10.1, why not get that so you can have a THIN laptop/tablet thing?
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I agree. If Samsung release a keyboard dock (which is more than likely since the 7" Tab had one), then it owns the Transformer hands down.
It seems ASUS has accomplished their goal. They adding a nice little gimmick that makes people consider their tablet over the competitors. Then again... it is just a dock. Any manufacture can make one. Even little third-party companies make them~
Or if you don't mind, you could buy a lovely bluetooth keyboard.
Yea but samsung third party accessories are slow as hell to come out, and the official ones are expensive (100+$ for just a former gtab keyboard dock station with no extra battery!!), and the gtab dock will never have an extra 8hour battery in it like the transformer does Frankly the only thing holding me on the transformer is the PLS screen and black&chrome design of the gtab, I don't like much the copper color of the transformer but with it's dock in the reviews its rather sexy.
I guess I'll just buy the transformer now and give it to my girlfriend to get a gtab once some good dock with hdmi and usb ports (big minus there on gtab) will be available. The gtab official bookcover looks wicked tho http://www.tabletdigger.com/gt/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/bookcover.jpg
Also, it is okay to wait for a gtab dock but the transformer actually have a KEYBOARD dock... pretty different from normal dock and the battery... samsung never gonna get something close to that (mean price wise, etc) and perfect if the transformer only get in the hands of "geeks" so that way all developpers, etc will make awesome apps/dev for this device
I have a transformer on order. But I don't really care about the keyboard. I could see the appeal if someone were buying this as their only device, or maybe even their only portable device. But I have a notebook if I need to use a keyboard. If it were $50, I might buy it, but not at $120+, because I'm mostly interested in the tablet functionality. Honestly, I'd prefer the better screen and slimmer design of the Samsung, but the Samsung is 25% more expensive. I just don't think it's wise to pay much of a premium at this stage of the tablet market. There will likely be something twice as good for similar $$ next year. In the mean time, I'll either figure out I didn't really need a tablet after all, or I'll like it, and get something better when the options go up and the prices come down.
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I agree. If Samsung release a keyboard dock (which is more than likely since the 7" Tab had one), then it owns the Transformer hands down.
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IMHO, a KB dock alone isn't going to own a TF101. It needs to have USB ports, SDHC/SDXC slot or more to own a TF101.
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IMHO, a KB dock alone isn't going to own a TF101. It needs to have USB ports, SDHC/SDXC slot or more to own a TF101.
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Your overestimating the masses. People go gaga for slim devices, IMO it's a total scam. I know so many people swho bought the iPad2 because it was thin. You can bet that Sammy will advertise the HELL out of the fact that it's thinner than the iPad2
I returned my Transformer and am waiting for the Galaxy Tab 10.1.
One of the pros for the Transformer is the docking station and it's really sweet how well it seems to work together.
But I have a few small complaints about the Transformer and the Galaxy Tab has a few of it's own pros, that I think the Galaxy Tab will do very well.
First with the Transformer.
The speakers kinda suck and aren't positioned very well. Not sure of the sound quality on the Galaxy Tab speakers, but I can't imagine it would be worse and I like the positioning better.
The Transformer's back get warm and the textured plastic doesn't offer much grip when your hand starts getting a little moist. It appears the Galaxy Tab will have a better no slip back.
The glass on the Transformer is really thin and a little too flexible. I can see it bending without applying much pressure. Hoping the Galaxy Tab has better glass.
The bezel on the Transformer is too dang big. Sure the Xoom over did it by making their bezel too small, but ASUS went too far in the other direction. Galaxy Tab looks like the perfect middle.
The Transformer just feel a little on the cheap side after the iPad and Xoom tablets I owned. I won't know until I have it in my hand, but I get the impression the Galaxy Tab will have a firmer more quality feel to it.
The weight is really big. People see the 85 gram weight difference between the Transformer and Galaxy Tab and think it won't mean much. But 50 grams separated the Transformer from the Xoom and I really noticed that difference. I can only imagine the Galaxy Tab is going to feel like a feather compared to the Transformer.
Most of these things are small nit-picking. But enough of them have added up that I think I need to wait on the Galaxy Tab. The cool docking station just isn't enough. Though the lack of a micro SD slot is kinda chaffing me, but I think even that might not be enough to scare me away from the Galaxy Tab.
So bought a Transformer then switched it out for an Iconia which I promptly returned and picked up my TF. I had thought that the Iconia with its USB port would be a better unit, bu the screen just doesn't compare to the TF. Add in the better battery life on the TF, the 3.1 upgrade, etc etc and well it was a tough weekend using the Acer. Now we hear that the Toshiba is about to arrive in the US and soon after here in Canada. Now on paper this unit seems to have it all, and by all I mean FINALLY a 'User Replaceable' battery. Add in SDXC support on the device, a Full size USB port, HDMI, a screen lock switch etc etc and frankly I'm about to abandon the TF once again.
I've not been able to find if indeed the Thrive is an IPS screen, and I guess it's unlikely to see much in the way of reviews until these units finally hit the market.
Still, I'd very much appreciate any comments from other TF users. As it stands I have until June 27th to return the TF for a full refund. Grr I wish the Thrive was out now.
Uhhh, what? You want opinions on a different tablet from transformer owners? And one on a tablet that isn't on the market?
The Thrive will not sport an IPS screen.
It's also thicker, if that matters to you. Quite a bit thicker.
Anyway, the TF with the dock is still my favorite tablet. The Thrive's lacking screen and substantial thickness are the main downsides.
The way i see it any tablet is not good enough for you.If you get the Toshiba, 1-2 months from now there will be another one with better specs and you will want to change again.
And there is nothing bad about it, if you have enough money.
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The way i see it any tablet is not good enough for you.If you get the Toshiba, 1-2 months from now there will be another one with better specs and you will want to change again.
And there is nothing bad about it, if you have enough money.
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Yeah, buying a new Tegra 2 tablet now seems a bit harsh. They'll be obsolete soon enough, after all.
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The Thrive will not sport an IPS screen.
It's also thicker, if that matters to you. Quite a bit thicker.
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It's .1" thicker (the TF tapers at the edges creating an illusion of thinness). I don't think it's "quite a bit thicker." For some reason the photos of it make it look chunkier than the dimensions would have you believe.
And I don't think anyone knows what sort of screen technology it will have -- if you Google it, you'll find some say IPS, some say it doesn't.
Thrive does come with full usb/hdmi ports..but it's also a lot thicker and probably heavier...
For comparison:
Transformer: .5" thick, 1.49 pounds
Thrive: .6" thick, 1.6 pounds
As the post above mentions, for that extra .1" and .1 pounds, you get a full-sized USB, full-sized HDMI, and full-sized SD slot. All the full-sizin' without adding much thickness or weight is pretty impressive.
Also has status/notification lights, removable battery, charging dock, and a hardware orientation-lock. If this thing does come with an IPS screen, then ... wow.
if TF101 was .5" All Around then no way in Hell Would I Have bought it. Because its so thin at the edges and only .5" in the center back then It makes is seem very thin still, which looks good. Thrive is Alot thicker all around the unit. It looks way too big. If it was Thin on edges and thick in center like TF then maybe it would have been an option.
Then again it Needs Thickness for all those ports soo hmm...Cant be too thin if you want to add those.
Whipping my TF out of the case and eyeballing it, it looks like it begins tapering only about 1.5" from the edges all around. I dunno, I'll have to handle a Thrive myself to see if all the additional features are worth the slightly added bulk and weight.
Its the replaceable battery that is big IMO...I wonder about the fixed batteries 2 yrs down the road and if it will make any sense to send them in for a retrofit and if not they just become garbage. Personally i think our Gov should legislate that batteries can be replaced by the user otherwise add in an additional tax on the product
I don't have issues with my TF's battery life, but I can definitely see where that's a plus for some. The things about it that intrigue me the most are the status lights (I like knowing I have a notification waiting), the rubberized back (I find the TF kind of slippery), and the inclusion of a charging dock. The full-sized ports are things I may not use, but it'd be nice to have them just in case. The 8GB of internal memory is annoying but not dealbreaker. A crappy screen would be, though.
Toshiba has said, officially, that it is not an IPS display. It's an "IPS like" display, which is what Acer said about the Iconia... And Motorola about the Xoom... And Samsung about the GT10.1. It's still up in the air whether it's a good display or not, but it is not an IPS. That's for sure!
It is 0.11 inches thicker. Over 20% thicker than the Transformer. It is a small difference, but it's noticable!
Anyway, since I use the dock, having the ports built in don't really matter to me. I've already got them.
I bought the toshiba thrive, the 1hr fast charge did it for me.... I tell you this right now.. if I get it in hand, and the screen is not up to par, I will send it back that day with out even trying out the rest of it!
a tablet is 90% screen, so you better put a freaking GREAT screen! lol
the only thing I dont like about my transformer is the creeking on the left hand side, if it didnt have this problem, then I would be A OK!
toshiba looks like it will be a quality tablet, I love how it's put together, looks tough!
I dont know why "thin" is a good thing, I simply dont get it..
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I bought the toshiba thrive, the 1hr fast charge did it for me.... I tell you this right now.. if I get it in hand, and the screen is not up to par, I will send it back that day with out even trying out the rest of it!
a tablet is 90% screen, so you better put a freaking GREAT screen! lol
the only thing I dont like about my transformer is the creeking on the left hand side, if it didnt have this problem, then I would be A OK!
toshiba looks like it will be a quality tablet, I love how it's put together, looks tough!
I dont know why "thin" is a good thing, I simply dont get it..
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I like thin devices. I don't necessarily care for ultra-light devices, though. To each their own.
The Thrive is officially out. And to be honest I'm considering switching to the Thrive. The reason why I purchased the TF in the first place is because of the added ports that comes with the dock. But now looking at the Thrive and having all the ports on the tablet itself is plus for me. Yes it's a bit heavier and thicker but if you carry the TF along with it's dock then there really isn't much difference. Another plus is being able to change the battery. I know many of us bought the TF because of the dock and it's extra ports which no other tablet could offer until now. Will any TF owners be making the switch to the Thrive?
Not me. Liking my TF more everyday.
-bZj
What's a thirve?
The question is what can you do on Thrive, that you can't do on Asus pad?
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The Thrive is officially out. And to be honest I'm considering switching to the Thrive. The reason why I purchased the TF in the first place is because of the added ports that comes with the dock. But now looking at the Thrive and having all the ports on the tablet itself is plus for me. Yes it's a bit heavier and thicker but if you carry the TF along with it's dock then there really isn't much difference. Another plus is being able to change the battery. I know many of us bought the TF because of the dock and it's extra ports which no other tablet could offer until now. Will any TF owners be making the switch to the Thrive?
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Not a chance in the world. It's far too expensive (8GB Thrive is *more* expensive than a 16GB TF, and 16GB Thrive is identical price to a 32GB TF). Of course it lacks the versatility of being able to switch between netbook and tablet modes -- a separate wireless keyboard with no touchpad is of no use to me -- and despite that, as you note, it's also larger and heavier. The battery might be removable, but I'd place money you won't be able to get hold of one for a sane price within a year of the thing being discontinued, and it also packs less battery power than the Transformer alone, let alone with the dock attached.
No thank you.
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Not a chance in the world. It's far too expensive (8GB Thrive is *more* expensive than a 16GB TF, and 16GB Thrive is identical price to a 32GB TF). Of course it lacks the versatility of being able to switch between netbook and tablet modes -- a separate wireless keyboard with no touchpad is of no use to me -- and despite that, as you note, it's also larger and heavier. The battery might be removable, but I'd place money you won't be able to get hold of one for a sane price within a year of the thing being discontinued, and it also packs less battery power than the Transformer alone, let alone with the dock attached.
No thank you.
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if you consider the dock with the TF then it is more than the Thrive. I only like the idea of having a removable battery because batteries don't last forever. I like having the option of changing the battery myself rather then having to send it in to the manufacturer. When I have my TF docked I still find myself using the touch screen rather then the touchpad as it is faster.
Has anybody seen the thrive? It looks like a butcher's cutting board. It's as fugly as the Viewsonic g tab.
Why does one have to compare that monstrosity to the TF with dock? Alot people own the TF without the dock, in terms of form, function and price, the TF to me has always been the best Android T2 tab out there. I would be interested in seeing what Sony comes out with but all the rest just don't cut it.
The only thing that the Thrive beats the TF on is OBESITY.
Is that the Toshiba one?
Since a couple years ago when I had one of its phones, I promised to myself not to Toshiba again...
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Thrive = no thanks. Just not seeing it.
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if you consider the dock with the TF then it is more than the Thrive.
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If I consider the dock with the TF, then it has more than double the battery life of the Thrive, plus a keyboard and touchpad that the Thrive lacks, etc.
And I bet if you count the wireless keyboard for the Thrive, then its weight is similar to that of the TF plus dock, but still with far less battery life, no touchpad, and far less versatility.
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I only like the idea of having a removable battery because batteries don't last forever. I like having the option of changing the battery myself rather then having to send it in to the manufacturer.
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And I'd be willing to place money that you'll never actually do it.
No standard battery type is going to fit in a tablet, so you'll be reliant on a specific proprietary battery type that no third party is going to make. It won't be in Toshiba's interest to supply one to you for long after they stop making the tablet itself, so chances are by the time you actually need a battery, you either won't be able to get one at all, or it'll be extremely expensive and from very old stock that's already got inadequate battery life.
Yeah, I'm just not seeing the replaceable battery idea.
If you run low on battery, you run low, but with the TF, you have the keyboard to get you into the 16 hour range of full use. By the time these batteries die or can't be charged anymore, you'll have replacements on the market for cheap, or local shops that can do it for you easily.
When that time comes, there will be something else in the market that you will buy anyway!
I'm actually considering it, because of the ports, and the biggest (yet to be proven) feature, that the device won't creak, won't have light bleed, and if it does, I might be able to actually send it in without worry of getting a worse problem sent back to me. (by all this I mean the supposed build quality I might get) Though if I sell my Transformer, I'll have spent ~$750 for a tablet including money I got back and the price of a Thrive.
The Thrive's ports are appealing to me but then again, I have gotten a hold of the dock to go with my Transformer. I think once I get that, the Thrive will lose its appeal.
I also think if I got the Thrive, I'd spend time reminiscing about the Transformer's better display every time I turned it on.
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if you consider the dock with the TF then it is more than the Thrive. I only like the idea of having a removable battery because batteries don't last forever. I like having the option of changing the battery myself rather then having to send it in to the manufacturer. When I have my TF docked I still find myself using the touch screen rather then the touchpad as it is faster.
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Not sure why you are concerned about battery, looking at your sig and fact that you consider changing for a new option, you will most likely trade up longbefore the battery needs to be replaced.
I agree the built in ports, no creaks and light bleed, user removable battery, regular ac adapter as well as a rubberized back cover that can also be replaced is enough for me to switch
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regular ac adapter
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Maybe I'm confused but I don't see this as a plus. Have you seen the size of that thing? The last thing I want to do is have to carry around a power brick for a tablet...
At least, you can easily find its replacement and the round tip is more reliable and easier to insert.
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Maybe I'm confused but I don't see this as a plus. Have you seen the size of that thing? The last thing I want to do is have to carry around a power brick for a tablet...
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At least, you can easily find its replacement and the round tip is more reliable and easier to insert.
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Not sure why you are concerned about battery, looking at your sig and fact that you consider changing for a new option, you will most likely trade up longbefore the battery needs to be replaced.
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when it comes to tablets i think i'll do less trading up as i do with phones. the only reason i'm considering the thrive is because of the ports being on the tab itself.
I'm still loving my TF and use it constantly. Does it all for me and wouldn't consider switching. I have no reason to jump ship.
I literally just put my order in about 3 days ago and will see my TF on Thursday, but I'm having second thoughts. A friend of mine just got his TF in today, and - well I dunno, I'm not all that impressed.
Out of the box came with the speaker issue (one side is louder than the other). The sound wasn't all that loud
Screen brightness was kind of low
The sharp edges were cutting my fingers
So I started to have a read about the differences between the Transformer & the Galaxy tab in the Galaxy Tab section. However, I think everyone posting there is biased toward the tab because they are now tab fanboys posting in their forum.
A few things I do like about the TF. Price of $399 (unbeatable) Expandable ports, dock option, memory slot, hdmi out, 5mpx camera. Do I think I'll use all of that (except price)? Probably not.
A few things I like about the Tab. Same size screen with less bulk, thinner, lighter, rounded edges, very solid build quality. Do I think its worth an extra $100 for these items? I think so. Plus I know the resale value will definitely be there because its a well known brand.
I haven't made up my mind completely on this but im about 80% of the way there in returning my TF and going with the Tab.
Thoughts, comments?
Nobody can decide for you. Do whatever you are happiest with.
Having used a hybrid tablet/netbook like the Transformer, I would never buy a tablet-only device.
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It's more than $100 (or here in germany 100€). You don't have a MicroSD Slot and HDMI-out. Do you need both options you must pay way more. And for the same price you can get a Transformer+Dock.
I don't see, why anybody would pay more for less...
Hi mate,
I have had the TF since release day and to be honest I'm very happy with it. It does what I need it to do very well: reading books, browse internet, playing games, plays movies (although there are some issues).
On the other hand I don't need and I will never get the dock, simply because if I wanted a netbook there are much better options on the market. And I have one of them as well.
Because of that I'm waiting to see the Galaxy Tab in real life, hold it in my hands. And if that offers everything that I need and is better than the TF I might go for it.
So good luck choosing! Let us know what you go for.
rio
PS: Actually what I'm considering at the moment is the small Galaxy tab 8.9 (I think). That one was on the Samsung website for a while, but I'm not sure what is the current status
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PS: Actually what I'm considering at the moment is the small Galaxy tab 8.9 (I think). That one was on the Samsung website for a while, but I'm not sure what is the current status
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Actually that is the "MEDIUM" Galaxy Tab. THe "small" one is the 7 inch versions and there are two of them. The powerful 3G/Wifi one and the neutered and less power Wifi only version.
The MAJOR downside to any Galaxy Tabs are :
1.) Updates are so slow....MONTHS behind the others.
2.) 10 inchers have no expansion slots.....and the 8.9 as well I think.
Get whatever YOU decide to be happy with. Others cannot make that choice for you. Only YOU can.
Some people like smaller I would not be able to stand a 7" tablet or laptop without optical media. My motto has always been its the size/shape that makes it portable it doesn't matter if its 20lbs its still light and easy to move around. But then again I compare it with moving around 300-400lbs.
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Actually that is the "MEDIUM" Galaxy Tab. THe "small" one is the 7 inch versions and there are two of them. The powerful 3G/Wifi one and the neutered and less power Wifi only version.
The MAJOR downside to any Galaxy Tabs are :
1.) Updates are so slow....MONTHS behind the others.
2.) 10 inchers have no expansion slots.....and the 8.9 as well I think.
Get whatever YOU decide to be happy with. Others cannot make that choice for you. Only YOU can.
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Gtab. 10.1 also with build issues. Many are suffering from Newton rings. Dust under screen. Colors are way oversaturated.....
If u want android in an ipad like body then go Samsung. If Samsung would have made the device 1 or 2 mm thicker and put in micro SD and HDMI they also would have been able to prevent the Newton ring issue and have the one killer tablet.
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1.) Updates are so slow....MONTHS behind the others.
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I don't know how you can say that really.... there hasn't been any major updates for Samsung to pass onto the Tablets. The only time when you'll be able to use that point is when Ice Cream Sandwich comes out. I'd say that 1/2 months is a good enough turn around for manufacturers to update their devices a major version.
I'd also like to note that I have a Galaxy S. While Americans are still using Eclair because of their crappy carriers wanting to hack the firmware to bits, us using unbranded european devices got Gingerbread before any other device (bar the Nexus devices). Samsung know what they are doing.
The way I see it, from my experience with the TF is this:
16GB is not enough. My music alone is near this and more. Since there is no additional storage options on the GT, you are going to have to opt for a 32GB or more which equals greater $$$ to spend. But sacrifices could be made...
So, I would say the dock is the real reason to get this thing. If you are not too excited about the dock, I wouldn't bother. The GT excels in design, but the TF excels in utility and value.
If the "sharp edges" of the Transformer are really "cutting [your] fingers," that's a physical problem with the device (or your fingers, I guess!).
Buy sleeve m8,than will be perfect
Your not the first to have these concerns. I bought the tf and was considering selling it for a tab. But what you've stated (price, microsd, HDMI out, and KB option) kept me from doing so.
I played with the tab for an hour or so and still prefer my tf. I didn't like the button placement on the tab, (they're in a more natural placement on the tf.
I did have the speaker issue on my tf but it was an easy fix. Just root it (there's a very well written guide by yours truly ;-)) and read up on the thread in the development section and it's as easy as editing a txt file.
If the edges bother you, grab a case, I'm currently using the roocase multi-angle which I got from amazon for under $30.
Other than that the only downside of the tf I see is the charger. Proprietary connection, short cable and sometimes the adapter doesn't want to work.
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I was in the same boat. I traded my iPad2 for an Android tablet and had lots of offers. I was looking at the Galaxy Tab and thought it was for me until I found that it didn't have any expansion ports like the iPad2. It is one of the reasons why I HATED the iPad2 because you had to carry around the special USB cable to sync it... then you needed special software for it to work...
Screw all that. I need to be able to quickly get files on and off the my tablet. I don't want to have to rely on another computer or a computer with special software to read my stuff.
90% of the time you'll have access to a Home or Work PC which you will probably have setup properly... but trust me... you WILL find yourself somewhere needing to pull a picture off or text or an attachment or something and you'll be stuck. It will happen more often the more you use it.
Plus the price point. I was trading my iPad2 for whichever I wanted. Did I need the keyboard dock? No. Will I use the keyboard dock often? No. Is it badass? Yes.
The keyboard dock has an additional battery that will charge the tablet battery when docked. It also increases the functionality of the tab.
Both tablets are identical in hardware except the Transformer has lots of additional ports. microSD is a must and HDMI out is actually very handy for throwing pictures, movies, games, etc on a larger screen.
I just can't see buying the Galaxy Tab 10.1 for the same price as you could buy the Transformer + Dock.
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It's more than $100 (or here in germany 100€). You don't have a MicroSD Slot and HDMI-out. Do you need both options you must pay way more. And for the same price you can get a Transformer+Dock.
I don't see, why anybody would pay more for less...
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I wouldn't exactly call the Samsung as "less" than the Transformer. I think they're different enough that it's gonna come down to how you personally use it.
One thing I'd like to point out - the Gtab is much easier to hold in your hand than the Transformer. Corners aren't as sharp, it's lighter, and seems better balanced. The texture on the back of the Gtab is easier to grab, though this could be solved with a sleeve on the Transformer.
Another point is screen reflection. The Transformer's glass is much farther away from the LCD than the glass on the Samsung. IPS screens are nice, but unless you're always going to be in a optimally lit room, you'll see a lot more reflections with the Transformer than with the Samsung Tab. Some Samsung Tab's have issues with the screen actually touching the LCD and making oil marks, but most don't.
So - the differences are definitely there. I don't you can write off the Gtab's advantages. The reflection and ergonomics itself might be worth $100.
My experience is that I just bought the Galaxy Tab 10.1 16GB about 5 days ago. I played with it over night and returned it the next day.
The following day, I purchased the Transformer 16GB and a dock for $50.00 more.
Now that I've owned the TF for 3-4 days, I'm very satisfied with it for many reasons:
- Multiple media input/out options: mini HDMI out, x2 USB ports, and SD/MMC card reader. - Will work perfectly with my Nikon P100's SD card and I can use a external HDD and plug it right into the USB port if I want to watch my movies.
- Dock acts as extended battery: I also tether my HTC Thunderbolt and plug it into the dock to keep a charge on my Thunderbolt while tethering my 4G to the Transformer.(SO MUCH WIN!!!)
- Having a keyboard when I want to compose an email is x100 better than thumbing my words through the tab. - I still use the touchscreen kb for somethings.
- Dock/keyboard has shortcut buttons which I take advantage of all the time.
- Textured casing makes handling the tablet/net book very secure and eliminates any smudges.
*I do not see where in the world you could cut your hand/finger on the tablet or the docking station. - You should tell your friend to get an RMA because there's something wrong with the one he has. Either that or he may need to see a dermatologist about amyloidosis, Ehlers-Danlos syndrome.
Re: Samsung Galaxy 10.1
I chose that tablet first because of the sleek design. I was extremely impressed with the way that Samsung engineered the design.
HOWEVER, no more than 1-2 hours after playing with it, I came back to my senses and see how limited I was with any options. Not only does it look like an iPad but it also has all the shortcomings in hardware that the iPad does.
I have had a few Android devices and so it's practically a religion to have a microSD card for my stuff. Samsung decided to cut back on adding any option to extend storage and that was a the biggest decider for me. - All the selling points that a Android tablet has in terms of hardware-media expansion was nerfed on latest Galaxy Tab. Did Samsung want to imitate Apple so much that they even decided to try and sell a tab that requires additional parts to make it comparable to all other tablets?
In the end, this is only my real life opinion having owned both devices and what I still have now is the Asus Transformer.
Once I used the keyboard/dock with my tablet, I can not imagine another tablet without this option. Asus did a decent job in engineering the look/feel of the tab with the dock/keyboard.
*I did have to return both tab and dock/keyboard to Best Buy until I found the right Best Buy which had B60 as my previous ones were B50.
Good lucking in making your decision. If you buy it at Best Buy, you can at least return it in 14 days without restocking fee and get the other one. If you felt that first one was better than you can simply return it again and go back to the other model. I am in NO WAY suggesting to abuse a return policy but it's there and it works as mentioned.
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I wouldn't exactly call the Samsung as "less" than the Transformer. I think they're different enough that it's gonna come down to how you personally use it.
One thing I'd like to point out - the Gtab is much easier to hold in your hand than the Transformer. Corners aren't as sharp, it's lighter, and seems better balanced. The texture on the back of the Gtab is easier to grab, though this could be solved with a sleeve on the Transformer.
Another point is screen reflection. The Transformer's glass is much farther away from the LCD than the glass on the Samsung. IPS screens are nice, but unless you're always going to be in a optimally lit room, you'll see a lot more reflections with the Transformer than with the Samsung Tab. Some Samsung Tab's have issues with the screen actually touching the LCD and making oil marks, but most don't.
So - the differences are definitely there. I don't you can write off the Gtab's advantages. The reflection and ergonomics itself might be worth $100.
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Of course the closer together glass in the gtab has led to the oil blob effect for Many
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I've had my TF since right after it launched in the US and I do love it. With that being said, I do plan on picking up a galaxy tab tomorrow, the last day that you can use the $50 off coupon for any tablet at staples.
The TF definately has the advantage when it comes to storage, because of the SD card and dock if you want to buy it, which I have no interest in. The galaxy tab however has a great form factor and from my limited use with one seems to have snappier performance than my TF, even though they have almost idendical specs, and my TF is overclocked. I also prefer the screen on the tab compared to the TF.
Honestly I think that the OP will be happy with either one. My only real gripe against the TF is that the majority of them seem to suufer from light bleed or some manufacturing defect, thankfully I only have minimal bleed, and that Asus has been slow with delivering on most of the official accessories that they promised months ago. I really want the desktop dock, which is readily available for the GT at a reasonable price.
I will say that if the galaxy tab disappoints me in any way during my return window, I will gladly buy a second TF after returning it.
I own the TF since late May...only problem I have with it is that the right speaker is louder than the left.
This past Sunday I bought the Galaxy Tab for someone and yeah it looks very nice it's thinner and lighter, but it seemed to have less options than the TF (specially within the browser settings.) The browser actually froze up on me and didn't want to display any pages. Didn't like that fact that it doesn't have an external microSD slot! I ended up returning it 2 hours later because the person preferred a laptop! My short experience with it wasn't good
http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/20/lenovo-thinkpad-tablet-and-keyboard-folio-case-hands-on-video/
Looks like we have some competition now...
I must say that when I first heard of the thinkpad I thought it would be trash but reading this article definitely changed my mind.
I don't regret my purchase but if I didn't already have the TF there would be some definite consideration between these two tablets.
I honestly think what Asus did with the dockable keyboard and what Toshiba is now doing with there feature set are the biggest things to happen to android since the arrival of the G1 and then the OG Nexus.
Watch apple come out w/ the next ipad and charge a fortune for it because it has a "revolutionary dockable keyboard? Don't be in shock when it happens... I'm psychic.
I personally don't like any android tablet, honeycomb runs smooth but it just doesn't appeal as an OS. It looks outdated with that black bar and boring bottons at the bottom. I do like the designs, especially the S Tab 10.1! What I find awkward about this Lenovo tablet its the huge borders at the sides. Pure opinion!
The Lenovo keyboard doesnt actually dock with the display though does it? Also no extra battery in the keyboard so I dont see much similarity and definitely not as versatile as the TF
Mark.
the asus wins hands down on the keyboard dock. the lenovo dock just has those angled slots that all tablet keyboards have - which looks like the tablet would be kind of loose and prone to flap around a bit if you had it on your lap.
also looks a bit chunky and heavy, but if the hardware performs better than the asus, it might be worth a look at.
but what ever happened to the U1 android/windows hybrid that lenovo was supposed to be bringing out? that looked like a device worth getting.
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I personally don't like any android tablet, honeycomb runs smooth but it just doesn't appeal as an OS. It looks outdated with that black bar and boring bottons at the bottom. I do like the designs, especially the S Tab 10.1! What I find awkward about this Lenovo tablet its the huge borders at the sides. Pure opinion!
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Then why are you in a subforum dedicated to a Honeycomb device? Go suck on an iPad or something, you boring twat.
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Then why are you in a subforum dedicated to a Honeycomb device? Go suck on an iPad or something, you boring twat.
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Why do you assume I like the iPad? Are you a psychic now? I am giving my opinion, if you don't like it you can just ignore it! Stop trolling.
It looks nice to me. I bet they sell a lot. Lenovo is a standard in corporations, unlike Asus.
it does look nice
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I have had my TF for about 4 days now, and I am considering returning it to BestBuy so I can buy the Thinkpad. Here are my reasonings so maybe someone can set me straight ;-)
+ Enterprise Features from the Get Go - Cisco AnyConnect... I want to use my tablet for work when I am travelling and I get a call for an emergency. No other tablet that boasts the features of the Thinkpad has the Cisco client in the package. Yes I know I could root, but some corporations consider this a security violation and do not allow rooted devices on campus.
+ Netflix with ability to store movies locally. This isn't coming to the Asus device if the hardware parts are true and being able to store a movie and watch it on an airplane is compelling.
+ Standard Thinkpad-like Keyboard - Now this one is sort of a up and a down for the Lenovo, the Thinkpad keyboards are great, but their design is no where near as nice as the ASUS integration.
+ Standard looking power supply? - I still can't find anyone who mentions the power adapter, it looks from what I can see to be a fairly standard USB connector but for some stupid reason no one shows it. At least I can probably bet extra power cables for less than $40 a pop and they might actually be in stock.
+ Availability of a stylus that has been engineered to work with the Lenovo package (this one worries me if I decide to go with a custom ROM assuming root is achievable, will the stylus still work? )
- Keyboard dock doesn't appear to lend itself to laptop use, more toward desktop use, it looks flimsy in a way.
- No power in the dock to extend the useful time without a charger, although if it is a standard power port, I can charge on long plane flights without an inverter or some other craziness.
- Odd looking interface changes and not clear if you can go with a generic Honeycomb layout on your desk.
There are other pluses such as I may be able to get a discount through work and so on, but they aren't really generic. My big things really are the power cable that may be more than about 3' long and the enterprise package. But man do I love my TF and going to anything without as good of integration at the keyboard dock is just going to be so hard.
Right now I am leaning toward sticking with what I have rather than inviting problem, not to mention the Thinkpad does seem to have a fair amount of wasted space on the edges, not that the TF doesn't.
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. My big things really are the power cable that may be more than about 3' long and the enterprise package.
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You can get a USB3 extension cable for your TF for about $7 on Amazon. I use on my dock which is on top of my desk.
Enterprise support would be nice, but we have such as custom package we have trouble getting it to run on Windows 7 let alone Android.
The Lenovo keyboard is a minus for me. I have a T410 i5 and it's a great machine, but I use cut and past a lot and hate the position of the function key next to control!!!
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I have had my TF for about 4 days now, and I am considering returning it to BestBuy so I can buy the Thinkpad. Here are my reasonings so maybe someone can set me straight ;-)
+ Enterprise Features from the Get Go - Cisco AnyConnect... I want to use my tablet for work when I am travelling and I get a call for an emergency. No other tablet that boasts the features of the Thinkpad has the Cisco client in the package. Yes I know I could root, but some corporations consider this a security violation and do not allow rooted devices on campus.
+ Netflix with ability to store movies locally. This isn't coming to the Asus device if the hardware parts are true and being able to store a movie and watch it on an airplane is compelling.
+ Standard Thinkpad-like Keyboard - Now this one is sort of a up and a down for the Lenovo, the Thinkpad keyboards are great, but their design is no where near as nice as the ASUS integration.
+ Standard looking power supply? - I still can't find anyone who mentions the power adapter, it looks from what I can see to be a fairly standard USB connector but for some stupid reason no one shows it. At least I can probably bet extra power cables for less than $40 a pop and they might actually be in stock.
+ Availability of a stylus that has been engineered to work with the Lenovo package (this one worries me if I decide to go with a custom ROM assuming root is achievable, will the stylus still work? )
- Keyboard dock doesn't appear to lend itself to laptop use, more toward desktop use, it looks flimsy in a way.
- No power in the dock to extend the useful time without a charger, although if it is a standard power port, I can charge on long plane flights without an inverter or some other craziness.
- Odd looking interface changes and not clear if you can go with a generic Honeycomb layout on your desk.
There are other pluses such as I may be able to get a discount through work and so on, but they aren't really generic. My big things really are the power cable that may be more than about 3' long and the enterprise package. But man do I love my TF and going to anything without as good of integration at the keyboard dock is just going to be so hard.
Right now I am leaning toward sticking with what I have rather than inviting problem, not to mention the Thinkpad does seem to have a fair amount of wasted space on the edges, not that the TF doesn't.
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imo if you really want the stylus features (which seems pretty sweet) and the keyboard then you are better off with the thinkpad. People are saying the dock integration isn't as good on the thinkpad as it is on the TF, not sure where they are getting that from other than speculation. From what I can see, other than the keyboard being larger and thicker it seems to dock pretty much the same way as the TF.
For me though, I don't care much for the features on the Thinkpad and my TF has done everything I need it to do thus far.
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imo if you really want the stylus features (which seems pretty sweet) and the keyboard then you are better off with the thinkpad. People are saying the dock integration isn't as good on the thinkpad as it is on the TF, not sure where they are getting that from other than speculation. From what I can see, other than the keyboard being larger and thicker it seems to dock pretty much the same way as the TF.
For me though, I don't care much for the features on the Thinkpad and my TF has done everything I need it to do thus far.
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Well, actually, it doesn't seem to dock the same way at all. First, it's not as sturdy, i.e., the TF/dock combo is essentially the same as a single integrated device. The Lenovo docks into a piece that then can be moved within the case. That's a nice feature if you use it on a desk or other flat surface, but I can't see using the Lenovo solution, e.g., while in bed, perched on my blanket, the same way I can my TF. Second, there's no second battery in the Lenovo dock. Finally, if you like the typical trackpad, then you'd want the TF.
The Lenovo looks nice, don't get me wrong, and that N-trig active digitizer would be nice if you want to take handwritten notes. If I were in my previous sales engineer role where I took copious notes during many sales meetings a week, that would be a nice feature. Then again, if that were the case, I'd probably just keep using my Windows 7 Tablet PC, which has the best handwritten notes tool (OneNote) and recognition on the market.
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You should buy one or two
Wow looks like Netflix is working on the Tab 10.1 and Xoom.....No love for our TF????
wynand32 said:
Well, actually, it doesn't seem to dock the same way at all. First, it's not as sturdy, i.e., the TF/dock combo is essentially the same as a single integrated device. The Lenovo docks into a piece that then can be moved within the case. That's a nice feature if you use it on a desk or other flat surface, but I can't see using the Lenovo solution, e.g., while in bed, perched on my blanket, the same way I can my TF. Second, there's no second battery in the Lenovo dock. Finally, if you like the typical trackpad, then you'd want the TF.
The Lenovo looks nice, don't get me wrong, and that N-trig active digitizer would be nice if you want to take handwritten notes. If I were in my previous sales engineer role where I took copious notes during many sales meetings a week, that would be a nice feature. Then again, if that were the case, I'd probably just keep using my Windows 7 Tablet PC, which has the best handwritten notes tool (OneNote) and recognition on the market.
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I agree with you, it isn't the same, the Lenovo keyboard isn't a dock, you don't power through the keyboard, you just plug it into a USB keyboard that has some Android specific buttons added in. And it does look a little flimsy from a sitting in an odd position perspective. There is nothing holding it in that position other than what appears to be a few indentations on the keyboard panel.
As for the notes, I haven't run Windows in about 8 years, not planning to start now ;-). And since I am considering going back to graduate school here in the future, I like the concept of the hand written notes, but you know if I really do go back to school I will just add it as a school expense and buy a the current well designed unit with a stylus, I really am thinking I will stick to the Asus as I really do like the dock integration. But I still do hate the power cable and I know it is only one thing, but it is driving me to distraction as it is like the thing that has me almost tipping toward returning this for the Thinkpad.
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I personally don't like any android tablet, honeycomb runs smooth but it just doesn't appeal as an OS. It looks outdated with that black bar and boring bottons at the bottom. I do like the designs, especially the S Tab 10.1! What I find awkward about this Lenovo tablet its the huge borders at the sides. Pure opinion!
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Guess what sooner or later ios will copy it.
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It is pretty obvious that Lenovo is targeting this system as a business tool. For that market it looks very good.
I can imagine having this unit sitting in its it keyboard dock at my desk and grabbing it to go to a meeting. At the meeting I would take notes with the stylus and having my crummy handwriting converted to text on the fly. Then when I got back to my desk I could integrate my notes into other documents, emails, etc.
The same scenario would probably work for students going from their desks to classes and back.
Of course it won't be as entertaining as watching someone on an iPad try to take notes, but you can't have everything.:->
Every week there are several new posts asking" Should I get an XXXX tablet now or wait for the YYYY tablet. You can fill in the XXXX and YYYY with any brand you want as there has been and probably will be new names to insert for a while. Each new tablet seems to have something that the previous one lacked along with some issues ( both new and old). If you are looking at a tablet do some searching ( not asking) here on XDA and find one that you are happy with and buy it. After you get it use it, enjoy it and upgrade firmware as needed. WAY too many people are spending unnecessary time and money always seeking the greener grass on the other side of the fence. With PC sales sagging, every manufacturer is looking for something to replace their revenue. Today it is the tablet. What works for me may not work for you. Read the specs and research before you buy. I am amazed by how many people buy items only to find out that a key feature they need is not there even though the specs indicated it was missing.
I guess Lenovo designed this tablet for 2.x, judging by the hardware buttons. It's a nice looking tablet, and the folio case is cool, but the buttons scream "last minute HC decision."
dazz87 said:
Wow looks like Netflix is working on the Tab 10.1 and Xoom.....No love for our TF????
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There is a Netflix patch for the transformer. Check out the thread in the development forum. It works great!