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programming ON device

Hi,
i wonder if it's possible to code right ON an android device, such as the upcomming tablets?
plz correct me if i'm wrong, but i'm dreaming of coding and compiling direct on the tablet. (on my old wm6 device i did so by using basic4ppc, but it would be great to do so without using fring.)
Is this realistic or am i simply dreaming?
thanks for any reply to my silly noob question
your's
pedro
P.S.: by the way,do you gurus think there will be things like video-editing (similar functionality to pinnacle studio/vegas) and vst support for android?

No reply at all??
PLZ boys....can JDK and eclipse be run on an android device????

The only thing I'm aware of at the moment is the project (formerly) known as "Android Scripting Environment"
http://code.google.com/p/android-scripting
Among other things, it gives you Perl
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Well, Eclipse is a Java application, so in theory it should be port-able onto an Android device. However, I imagine there would be so many things to fix/work-around that it just wouldn't be worth it. For example, I don't think Android has the Swing/AWT components, which Eclipse probably uses, so you'd have to rewrite all the UI display classes to use the Android libraries.
Much more realistic would be simply a syntax-highlighting text editor, which would let you write (but not compile, of course) on the go. I looked around for one of those a while ago but couldn't find one. I started writing one, but then decided that my urge to program on my phone wasn't strong enough for the amount of effort it would take to write such a program...

NEWS
i've read today good news..... basic4android (basic4ppc) announced a basic4android version (early beta) and "maybe" an on-device-programming version

infantilo said:
i've read today good news..... basic4android (basic4ppc) announced a basic4android version (early beta) and "maybe" an on-device-programming version
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Hello,
it will probably be no version to program with B4A on the device. The IDE runs in conjunction with windows. Net.
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Amalkotey
Basic4Android-Betatester

Steven__ said:
Well, Eclipse is a Java application, so in theory it should be port-able onto an Android device. However, I imagine there would be so many things to fix/work-around that it just wouldn't be worth it. For example, I don't think Android has the Swing/AWT components, which Eclipse probably uses, so you'd have to rewrite all the UI display classes to use the Android libraries.
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These issues are not the only issue i see...
What about javacc wouldn't this need to be ported as a java application as well?
Which i dont see how you can develop a java compiler in java if you can i'll be amazed.
we'd have to wait for the native library imports to do that from my current knowledge
Please someone correct me if im wrong

I know this thread is old, but if anyone come across this thread search for Aide in the play store.

i think AIDE is the best way to coding ON the tablet/phone!

Try AIDE It's free on Google Play.

AIDE is a good choose if you can buy premium key. I personally did and I'm satisfied. I use aide when I'm away of my PC and get an idea
Free version allows only projects with 5 or less java files. Excluding R.java and BuildConfig.java that's 3. I doubt that anyone can write anything serious with 3 java files.
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pedja1 said:
AIDE is a good choose if you can buy premium key. I personally did and I'm satisfied. I use aide when I'm away of my PC and get an idea
Free version allows only projects with 5 or less java files. Excluding R.java and BuildConfig.java that's 3. I doubt that anyone can write anything serious with 3 java files.
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+1 for AIDE you can't go wrong with premium especially if your projects are big (lots of files)
AIDE also supports ssh git and dropbox sync last I checked. It also features an auto complete kinda like in eclipse.
Although I always begin my projects on a computer especially for the ui design (I'm a noob this way)
as for C there is C4droid although I'm not sure if its possible to link it with android java code.
But c4droid beats having to set up the proper toolchains if your creating a pure native application.

Sybregunne said:
+1 for AIDE you can't go wrong with premium especially if your projects are big (lots of files)
AIDE also supports ssh git and dropbox sync last I checked. It also features an auto complete kinda like in eclipse.
Although I always begin my projects on a computer especially for the ui design (I'm a noob this way)
as for C there is C4droid although I'm not sure if its possible to link it with android java code.
But c4droid beats having to set up the proper toolchains if your creating a pure native application.
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+1 for AIDE
I has AIDE+PasGUI+C4Droid on my device and I quite satisfied with it, though it's difficult to manage with interface

DoR2 said:
+1 for AIDE
I has AIDE+PasGUI+C4Droid on my device and I quite satisfied with it, though it's difficult to manage with interface
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pasGUI - will try that now. Thanks

Best android development book

Hi,
I had a quick look through the forums but couldn't see a topic for this.
I am wanting to get started with android development and programming and am looking for a decent book to help me get started. I have went through the tutorials on the android site but I found them not to be at my level having no java experience.
I do however have programming experience through microsoft visual basic and vba and do understand the basics. i just want a book to take me from scratch with android and eclipse that starts at a fairly easy level but that is still useful once I have progressed.
Does anyone have any recommendations or even know of solid online resources?
Many thanks
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I heard positive things about this: wrox.com/WileyCDA/WroxTitle/Professional-Android-Application-Development.productCd-0470565527.html
Note that I do not have this book myself so I cannot tell you anything more about.

Hi,
Thanks for this, will have a look at that one and see what its like!
Cheers
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http://www.amazon.com/Teach-Yoursel...=sr_1_9?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1293644514&sr=1-9

Namuna said:
http://www.amazon.com/Teach-Yoursel...=sr_1_9?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1293644514&sr=1-9
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I'm working through that book at the minute, and it is perfect!
Since you've got previous programming experience (it would be good if you had .Net experience) then it's just a case of translating what you know into a different language.
Admittedly, I'm finding it quite easy, coming from a strong C# and .Net background. I think it's probably the easiest transition going, but I'd recommend the book regardless.

Thanks for that as well! It also looks very helpful, i would expect coming from a .net environment to take to Android programming easy enough once i understand how the basics of eclipse and the coding syntax works for it!
I have bought the Wrox programmer to programmer book but i am also going to bear in mind the Teach Yourself Android book as well, had a flick through it there on amazon preview and it looks very easy to use, i like that it is split into hours so you know where you should be and how long it will take.
Thanks for the replies!

I would recommend Commonsware's books. You get a full year's access to 3 books.
http://commonsware.com/
However, I would start with some Java book first. I heard that Head First Java is good.

I second the Commonwares books. The weekly chats alone are worth the price!

doctormetal said:
I heard positive things about this: wrox.com/WileyCDA/WroxTitle/Professional-Android-Application-Development.productCd-0470565527.html
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Yep, I have this book and find it great. One thing is nice is that he uses the same program for all his examples, thus building up one app. His writing style is very fluid too. I recommend it.
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i would love to start learning java myself, ive been playing with appinventor, i have graphic design skills but im far from a programmer, playing with appinventor has really spark a fire for me to actually learn real code, i know its a far stretch from appinventor but ive been playing with tools like eclipse for android sdk, i would love to find a good book on a certain way to go about using all these tools together, much research to be done!

Not a book but google for "Android App Course", those labs are a good introduction to android...

Support Further ARM Development Ubuntu Eclipse SDK etc

Hi guys I am buying a eee pad but currently I am emailing Eclipse Google and others to try and get support to make developing for Android on Android possible.
I wish to start a foundation or support group toward this end if you want to contribute or help in anyway it would be great I will also add a poll for comparison of votes so please vote it all helps.
As I understand it porting Ubuntu to different devices is well still in beta stages for the most part but we all know that personalized mobile computing is the future and tablets or tf style devices will eventually replace laptops netbooks and the like.
As I understand the biggest problem is new tech!! that fresh out the box smell is still lingering and leaves support and development slim in some more common place computing needs where x86 has rained supreme leaving others to wish for such a client base of great support and programs.
So all in all this is to try push things in the right direction. Who to talk to when to talk to them and how to help the eee pad and other similar devices become fully fledged dual boot Android Ubuntu platforms with the option to develop and do all the other great things Ubuntu can offer.
Please only positive criticism or feedback this is the tech community anything is possible so please no comments of OMG YOU CANT DO THAT!!!! etc etc

Currently, you can compile C program or whatever without problems, using a chroot ubuntu or debian.
But developing for android implies that the android sdk has to be ported on arm platform. This is a paradox, but most android and java tools are working only on x86 platform, probably because at this time, phones was not meant to be dev platforms considering their cpu power.
Openjdk seems to work on arm but the android sdk relies on javac from sun.
There are now powerful tablet devices on the market - including our beloved tf - where we could potentially develop android apps ; I think that google will sooner or later release an arm version of the android sdk. Since then, we are almost pretty stuck : I'm not sure that all the android tools are opensource, and even if it is the case, there is still the problem of javac from sun which does not work on arm platform. However, doing our own dev platform implies that we can port ourselves the sdk on arm, and use openjdk as a replacement of sun-java runtime. Not a piece of cake My advice is to wait several months google next move to see what's going to happen, now that there are more and more tablets on the market.

If we get enough support though maybe we can push for both to be ported and released
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Omg this doesn"t belong in the development forum!!!!!!!

Would love to see more development done on this!

As time progresses, more will be done definitely this is more about making sure that it is pushed as i believe at the moment its being over looked. I think manufacturers and Google and eclipse etc all under estimate there own products possibilities and the abilities of the tech community and in particular the xda community. Even if we had beta releases only for xda devs it would be a step in the right direction for developing android on android.

OK I'm going to bite the bullet and ask why would this be considered a good idea? I write software for Android and using Eclipse on lower screen resolutions isn't that productive IMHO, throw in poor keyboards and miniscule touchpads and it makes little sense. Finally considering the performance differences between a tablet and development laptop (i7, 8 GB RAM, SSD, etc) I just can't see getting the development tools working on an Android device to be all that useful at this point in time.

Nvidia is claiming the T3 will be as powerful as a Core 2. Seems a little exaggerated, but in the near future, it may be possible to dev. on a tab. Eclipse (and real games) are the last things tying me to my PC. Now I would not want to run Eclipse on a T2, but a T4??? Now we are talking.

GeraldNunn said:
OK I'm going to bite the bullet and ask why would this be considered a good idea? I write software for Android and using Eclipse on lower screen resolutions isn't that productive IMHO, throw in poor keyboards and miniscule touchpads and it makes little sense. Finally considering the performance differences between a tablet and development laptop (i7, 8 GB RAM, SSD, etc) I just can't see getting the development tools working on an Android device to be all that useful at this point in time.
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I tend to agree. I find even a powerful laptop is pretty marginal. I prefer a desktop with at least 2 monitors, one for code and one for the emulator.

All valid points but if no one is looking forward at the glass half full it wont become a reality
What I'm saying is work needs to start now infrastructure then city not a repeat of Auckland central we need the ground work done then the devices can catch up
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I support, its something i would use.

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I support, its something i would use.
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I've a script pack for installing Java's JDK to ARM either hard float or soft float that can be found at the following link
https://github.com/S0AndS0/Debian-Kit-Mods
Check the readme for how to download and enjoy the work I've done to get us this far. Furthermore there are other installers available that may be of interest; such as jMonkey and node.js and NoFlo installers for debian based Linux OS's running on Android.
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Anyone alive on this thread?
I've some links to information and projects relating to developments on Android and Linux Android systems.
For running GNU software on Android (better than busybox perhaps)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2613243
Some maybe slower than the busybox versions but its a small sacrifice for better compatibility.
For running SDR (software defined radio) with Android or Android Linux
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2108053
https://github.com/martinmarinov/rtl_tcp_andro-
This github is really cool because the drivers are for either.
For running OpenBTS on Android Linux (turn your cellphone into a cell tower)
https://github.com/martinmarinov/rtl_tcp_andro-
Do some digging on this Dev's work; its amazing
For Crypto Currency mining on Android Linux (why buy an app when you'll have more for free here?)
http://bitbiz.io/threads/linux-script-cpu-minerd-installer-android-rpi-vps-32-64bit-pc.138/
Be sure to check out the example scripts I posted too; especially the ones relating to temp. monitoring or ya may blow a battery.
For MPI (message passing interface) on Android Linux (just modify the RPi directions to have the right username and networking options)
http://www.tinkernut.com/2014/04/27/make-cluster-computer/
Be sure to check out TinkerNut's other videos and guides; nearly anything a Raspberry Pi can do we can do on our phones for cheaper and with better specs/built in hardware.
For running Maptools server on Android (software for running custom table top games over a network)
http://forums.rptools.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=24082
I play DnD and Pathfinder so having a way to go mobile with it was something I had to do for them
For building Android NDK on Android Linux (step one of writing apps for Android on Android)
http://www.timelesssky.com/blog/building-android-sdk-build-tools-aapt-for-debian-arm
For building Android SDK on Android Linux (step two for writing/modding you phone with your phone)
http://www.timelesssky.com/blog/develop-app-on-android-with-android-sdk
Above two links are fantastic when combined with rdp or vnc for a larger screen size when at home.
For running Linux on Android without root (hidden goodies on FUSE filesystem)
http://www.timelesssky.com/blog/debian-android-with-no-root
There's a narrow window of compatibility but if your apposed to root on Android and still want Linux theses steps might just let you pull it off too.
For modifying Debian Kits' source code so you can have loop files larger than 2 Gigs and install hard floating point instead of soft float
http://www.timelesssky.com/blog/running-debian-armhf-alongside-android#comment-1525580294
If you've not found this Dev's blog then do some digging as there is some really cool guides posted.
For installing GPU drivers to Android Linux (scroll down to Related Projects for the other brands)
http://freedreno.github.io/
The above link and related software should allow for OpenCL/GL support and the added bonus of being able to run Blender on your tablet.
The above links should prove that developments on Android and Android Linux systems is very active; just hard to find sometimes.
I'm currently working at http://bitbiz.io/rf/?c=IGQ3ZLRT with a few other team members to bring together the above subjects into a new mesh-networking crypto coin system that allows users and developers to buy or rent hardware time from networked devices; others have tried and failed to make a AndroidCoin but this one will not as much of the core features have already been tested or scripted up in my other github repo as installers. Feel free to post feature requests and concerns.
http://bitbiz.io/threads/altcoin-taucoin-new-arm-excusive-coin.142/
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Linux Install guide for Android devices that I'm writing:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2240397
Or
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ssVeIhdBuuy8CtpBP1lWgUkG6fR6oHxP20ToYPPw6zI/edit?usp=drive_web
And my script pack for installing; Java's JDK, node.js and more to your Linux OS
https://github.com/S0AndS0/Debian-Kit-Mods
Note: if you're new to Linux/scripting/command line; check readme file for instructions.

Development Using an Android Tablet (e.g. Transformer Prime)

Let me preface that I am familiar with developing Java web apps in both Linux and Windows, but I am just starting to delve into developing Android applications. Forgive me if this has been addressed somewhere else - I couldn't find anything on this subject.
How viable would it be to use a tablet for development, specifically for developing Android applications? To be clear, I'm not talking about writing apps for the tablet - I'm talking about setting up a development environment on the tablet and using it to develop stuff with. Has anyone successfully done this? It seems like something like the Transformer Prime would be a good candidate for this. Are there IDEs for Android, or anything that could be ported over?

The IDE used by most Android developers is eclipse, which isn't available in Android. Not sure if it's possible on the Prime yet, but you would need to install a full blown OS (like Ubuntu). Once that was done it could be used for development.
EDIT: check out javaIDEdroid in the market. I haven't used it, but it claims to allow exactly what you're looking for.
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The IDE used by most Android developers is eclipse, which isn't available in Android. Not sure if it's possible on the Prime yet, but you would need to install a full blown OS (like Ubuntu). Once that was done it could be used for development.
EDIT: check out javaIDEdroid in the market. I haven't used it, but it claims to allow exactly what you're looking for.
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That's cool, I'll check it out.
I primarily use Eclipse. I wonder if it could be recompiled to run in Android? Or maybe the best solution is just to dual boot the thing with Android and Ubuntu.

Java to C#

http://blog.xamarin.com/2012/05/01/android-in-c-sharp/
Interesting project
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Oooh that is interesting.
Ive recently learned C#, but dont know jack-**** about java (ok I looked at it, and it didnt look super-different from C# so its probably easy to learn...), so that would be awesome for me

LOL
We all will be porting over EXE in no time LOL

It would be a lot more interesting if it wasn't a big commercial for their overpriced Mono for Android SDK.
Not to mention the not-so-subtle scare tactics they employed in the incipit of the article quoting the Oracle v. Google case (I doubt that the CLR VM is not encumbered by any Java-related IP - at least, that's what Jonathan Schwartz told Gates/Ballmer to scare them away when they tried to strong-arm Sun into entering an IP licensing agreement for OpenOffice).

I'd like to see it run on an Android device. Have them cook up a ROM that does their C# .NET CLR thing instead of Dalvik.
From what I can gather it's sort of an emulator for use in development at the moment?

Personally I was not thinking of roms. I realize android is young and dalvik is young or whatever but they are constantly improving so unless they could show a bench mark with a 200% increase set in stone I wouldn't flinch.
I was personally thinking this could be a great start to porting more things over to android and maybe stealing some apps that would otherwise only run on windows or ios etc
I don't know I just thought it was interesting that the more android grows the more projects like this seem to branch out and make more and more things possible.
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