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okay so as you know i created a few roms now based on 2.1. i know that shocked most of you because i never liked 2.1 that much to begin with, it felt slow & bulky even after flashing several roms. so i decided to make my own based on fresh 2.0d. now i will admit they are pretty fast and i enabled jit on my phone too but for the hell of it i went and restored my trusty pancake 1.5c backup as a test. the difference is like night & day. speed wise and free ram wise. now mind you i have the exact same # of apps on each rom and pretty much set up the same way minus different themes.
so my question is why does it seem 1.5 is soo much smoother & faster?
maybe it's the tweaked 1.5c kernel in the pancake rom?
and yes i know were still trying to get the bugs worked out of JIT but i did this test just for myself to see if i can improve upon my roms at all.
maybe its a placebo effect? i dont remember 1.5 being much snappier than the current 2.1. the fastest rom with no hang ups i've ever used is the now defunct 1.6 aosp =( if it wasnt for the camera i'd still be using it.
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maybe its a placebo effect?
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no, it's not that. everything is 10x snappier and the free ram is at least 20% higher than the fresh 2.0 based roms. it's not a big deal i guess just something i had to do but it has me thinking now.
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maybe its a placebo effect? i dont remember 1.5 being much snappier than the current 2.1. the fastest rom with no hang ups i've ever used is the now defunct 1.6 aosp =( if it wasnt for the camera i'd still be using it.
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im pretty sure camera works on 1.6 only thing that doesnt is camcorder and bluetooth i believe could be wrong though but im almost positive cam works
Eris based roms
I too am disappointed with the speed of the sprint based 2.1 roms. I do think that 1.5 is comparable. However, I get the best performance out of the Eris based 2.1 roms. I have even found fresh toast 1.1 to be choppier than DC1.0, which I use as my daily. Fresh toast does many things very fast, but it is just too choppy. DC1.0 runs her smooth. in fact, the only difference I find is neocore running at 29 with DC1.0, as opposed to 34 with fresh toast. However, that difference is not reflected in 3d games like those by polarbit, or in web browsing (which actually seems slower), or even in navigating sense, which is just choppy.
You are comparing a pre-release, admittedly buggy ROM against an established production ROM. Of course 2.1 (pre) will be slower.
I will assume the Sprint released 2.1 will have possibly the same performance as the 1.5 ROM (possibly smoother -- depending on HTC's intent in releasing the ROM).
Unfortunately, our hardware was dated from the start and is our main challenge.
Please don't take this as a flame. Just an observation/opinion.
Preparing to flash "Darky's Raw Steel Edition v3.0" i went back to JM9 and played around for a bit, for nostalgia's sake.
And then something crossed my mind...
"Damn! this is fast!"
Even without a lagfix or overclock, or even anything custom, JM9 is so much faster then the froyo releases we have currently...
The startup animation is actually an animation not a slideshow
Scrolling is no longer jumpy and laggy, it once again, tracks your finger like it should
The internet browser is no longer a useless pile of S*%t, i forgot how damn good the eclair one was, no longer do i need opera mini
The music player no longer lags when scrolling through a large song list, and it no longer freezes up when playing in the background (! wtf??)
Touchwiz scrolling is much improved
Launcher pro no longer lags, especially in the app drawer
We have more ram, without having to resort to gutting potentially vital VGA buffers
Im sure i am going to find some more... after using JPM, JP6 and JPA for a few weeks nearly now and not once being happy with performance, i have flashed so many custom roms, tried every filesystem on universal lagfix, voodoo, alpha overclock and ram mods and still i am not happy one bit.
Sure we may have a higher linpack score, we may have a few new features, but the performance and experience has not improved, and this is what froyo is supposed to be about!
I cant believe how much Samsung has messed up, we have been waiting months for this!
There, i said it...
Anyone else care to share their opinion?
I would stay on 2.1 JM9 if only there was a kernal with the universal lagfix (jfs with startup tweaks) + OC + Memory Tweaks.
Ugly truth. Only thing better in froyo is newer version number.
Oh. And stereo FM Radio.
And..
Version number?
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I would stay on 2.1 JM9 if only there was a kernal with the universal lagfix (jfs with startup tweaks) + OC + Memory Tweaks.
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You may not have JFS but you have voodoo, there is raspdeeps OC kernel, and to start with we have more ram anyway and (seemingly, well, the broswer doesn't take 120mb now atleast) better memory management
Eclair feels like a polished engine
Froyo feels like a polished turd
I was all for froyo simply for the flash.... then i found out how ****ty flash was. The only flash site I go to that was good was Youtube. All my other flash video sites were complete crap (i like to watch livestream/ustream starcraft games on teamliquid.net and it was unwatchable with sgs flash.)
Infact the browser is ridiculously better in eclair.
How much ram does it take to load pocketnow full desktop version?
Froyo: 120mb+, followed by a memory dump, allot of lag and a FC
Eclair: 30mb, yeah, 30mb, with smooth pinch to zoom, and no lag
I totally agree, JM9, then I've put tayutama super lite 1.2 for eclair ofcourse, along with voodoo lagfix and Bln. Its the best i've found so far, and i've tested all others, but none is so good as the JM9 config i have.
Why are we bothering to go to froyo when we can have a very good eclair rom, which really is super fast, without any lag, extremely stable. All is perfect in here. I've even got setcpu to 1.2ghz. And i got quadrant scores of 2085, at times 1895, it but its between 1800 and 2085. So, its really good.
Now, i don't really think the benchmark is what we should rely on. What we need to see is the everyday use, and i must say its Perfect, the best ive used, and im loving this phone more and more. And now i can even use live wallpapers, its not even slowing my phone, whereas with all froyo rom, it was slowing my phone a bit.
Guys, try Jm9 with tayutama superlite 1.2 with voodoo lagfix and setcpu. Forget the froyo roms, u'll be disappointed.
Yeah that is what i was using before 'upgrading' to froyo, i really forgot how good it was...
Unless some dev (cyanogen, desire hd port, not counting samsung as losing faith...) pulls off something amazing with froyo i really see absolutely no reason to go to froyo.
The browser even benches the same in browserbench, ~28,500 no mods
Its really strange because in certain benchmarks froyo is a fair bit faster, but none of it translates to general usage
I've been unwilling to change to Froyo ever since hearing about the huge amount of memory used by the browser, and corresponding FCs. I'd like JIT and Flash etc., but it really does seem like Eclair is better at the moment.
Flash in JPM is terrible, when you scroll the page the flash box isn't even anchored to the page, it jumps about. looks really bad
its almost impossible to scroll the screen once you are over a flash box, it just doesn't register
Whilst I agree that eclair is better at the moment, I have to wonder why this thread is in the Dev forum. i9000 General is that way --->
nobody reads that forum!
agreed i installed darky's 3.0 froyo rom and its ok...
like yall are saying its not better by any means... as a matter of fact my data now is giving me problems... and market place too...
my questions is how do i get back to eclair? whats the best 2.1 rom out right now?
JM9 + Voodoo = Blazing Fast! : )
Tayutama jm9 + oc kernel (with voodoo) + noop scheduler
It makes jpm its *****
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Yeah i have to agree with you all.The performance in froyo is simply disapointing.I dont expect the final release from samsung to be better.Im only staying with froyo because of the great work made by some devs with the universal lagfix.I will try the official when its ready.And probably after that i will return to eclair.
Yeah I definitely appreciate all the work done by the devs here, if only samsung were half decent at software...maybe we should petition google saying samsung is ruining androids name, give us some love too google!
But I thought there was no official froyo for galaxy s yet?
I don't believe that, Samsung obviously released it on purpose then withdrew it after people complained about phones bricking with the OTA, and how bad it is.
Either that or someone must have got fired for uploading the source and the rom onto the kies server
I'll have to respectfully disagree. I was pretty disappointed with Froyo initially, but my current config is a speed monster.
Kalpik's JPA ROM (pre merger with Doc)
ULF No-RFS advanced e4 (selected option to not backup, so wipe after lagfix)
All kernel tweaks
Minfree at "optimal"
The browser specifically is faster than eclaire, I have no doubt about that. Even with full facebook pages open, it consumes something like 10 to 20 MB.
Contacts, dialer, MMS, mail, everything opens instantly and scrolls very smoothly. Before this, (and several disappointing froyo ROMs) I was on JM9 + Tayutama + Voodoo, and I can assure you this feels just as fast, if not faster (browser is definitely MUCH faster)
Since the official gingerbread update is out for I9000 in the Europe region, i'm just curious as to what all has changed in this update as compared to Froyo version...
Has there been any improvement to the Lag problem, memory problem, browsing issues, GPS etc etc...
If you have updated your phone recently please share your experience with the new official firmware...
I have gingerbread JVK and I am thrilled with it.
lag is now non existent and my battery life seems to have improved considerably. love the new graphics too, though that is a bit pathetic of me
i think here people here are least interested in stock rom...
I am too frustrated from my 2.2 stock rom by samsung.. looking for update in india for gingerbread..
Hope to c soon
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I have gingerbread JVK and I am thrilled with it.
lag is now non existent and my battery life seems to have improved considerably. love the new graphics too, though that is a bit pathetic of me
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do you have any lag fixes or custom kernels installed??
kenvac said:
i think here people here are least interested in stock rom...
I am too frustrated from my 2.2 stock rom by samsung.. looking for update in india for gingerbread..
Hope to c soon
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Same here!!! 2.2 update sucked big time... Even after lag fix my phone lags like hell when too many apps are running, worst part the number of apps starting automatically is much more than eclair... I can't seem to get the apps to stop from restarting after a kill...
Waiting eagerly for Gingerbread India Update... From what i've read, it wont be available in india until June...
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Since the official gingerbread update is out for I9000 in the Europe region, i'm just curious as to what all has changed in this update as compared to Froyo version...
Has there been any improvement to the Lag problem, memory problem, browsing issues, GPS etc etc...
If you have updated your phone recently please share your experience with the new official firmware...
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ok, firstly gingerbread is a big improvement over froyo in every respect, smoothness, speed (you don't need a lagfix) and battery life.
However you shouldn't really have posted this question as there are numerous threads covering the pros and cons of early gingerbread roms. Please take a look at any of the numerous other threads already covering this type of question such as:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1011901
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1037895
You just need to read what is already here
I am using JVB (Darky 10 RC 5.3) with CF Kernel 2.1....I am very happy with Gingerbread...the lag is gone the batt life is much better...I haven't had such smooth SGS since I bought it.
Where is it official realease?
Since the official gingerbread update is out for I9000 in the Europe region
IT IS NOT RELEASED ..
Beta 2.3.3 is certainly better than 2.2.1 .
But then again Froyo 2.2.1 on my phone no lag problem no GPS problem and no real Battery problem .
jje
There are not a lot of user facing differences (other than better battery life) but it opens you to all the gingerbread only mods from the Nexus S like crt off effect and so.
Well actually I like 2.2.1 with speedmod lagfix better. Only thing I like about gingerbread is the fact that they fixed the bug, where every once in a while your apps would get mixed up in the touchwiz interface. And the browser and battery life are better in gingerbread.
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ok, firstly gingerbread is a big improvement over froyo in every respect, smoothness, speed (you don't need a lagfix) and battery life.
However you shouldn't really have posted this question as there are numerous threads covering the pros and cons of early gingerbread roms. Please take a look at any of the numerous other threads already covering this type of question such as:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1011901
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1037895
You just need to read what is already here
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Thanks for the reply!! The reason why i started this thread was to get the feedback from people who have updated their phones via Kies and not via flashing roms... Its possible that the firmware for international version of I9000 differ from each other depending on the region, so its possible that not everyone is experiencing the same performace boost...
So I just want a review of sorts from people who are already using it!!!
As their is no current Kies release for Gingerbread and the initial release did not spread very far not many have the Kies firmware . Most of us have the unofficial 2.3.3 .
jje
always try to :
compare stock to stock roms and not custom to stock roms..
so u ll see that a late custom Froyo 2.2.1 Rom is far better than stock Gingerbread by all means..and thats normal due to developing. But the truth is that stock Gingerbread is way better than stock Froyo. Its faster..less laggy than Froyo and the first custom build in 2.3.3 are very promissing..its a a matter of time
the newer the better... I think...
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Official? As far as I know the GB version are only leaked firmwares made by Samsung!
Still I gave it a try....
Has there been any improvement to the Lag problem, memory problem, browsing issues, GPS etc etc...
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I am running the XXJVK and the lag was not as big as with original froyo even when I was running stock kernel on RFS. Obviously Samsung has improved a few things in the filesystem driver.
Now I use supercurios GB kernel (Gingerbread-GT-I9000-stock-from-sources-kernel+hacks). It includes root access (have to install superuser app, however), lagfix and cwm. For better sound I bought supercurios Voodoo Control Plus app
I am very happy with this firmware: First of all the phone seems much snappier compared to Froyo running speedmod kernel K13. Also the battery life has improved significantly!
The Quadrant benchmark results in values between 1500 and 1700.
froyo much stable than ginger.. js8 is fantastic!!
2.2.3 better than JS8 but now back to stock ready for SGS 2
jje
I personally think Gingerbread feels better, especially the ROMs which are born from it
2.2.1 always felt like it was missing something
I'm loving my Galaxy S even more since the switch to Gingerbread. I think the main thing I noticed before I flashed a mod was more speed.
Over the past few weeks I have installed the GB leaks as they were released. It's been a good learning experience for me as I don't have a background in mobile OS's or applications. But to be honest, I feel Froyo is just fine for me.
Using Froyo I'm able to watch Hulu with the hex fixed libflashplayer.so, I'm able to use wireless tethering and PDAnet, Netflix works and beyond that--my observed battery life seems to be higher with Froyo. ...and you know what else? My phone never seemed any faster using Gingerbread.
While I'm not "done" messing around with my phone (SBF'ing is easy enough), I do think that overall, Froyo is just fine for me. Does anyone else agree, or have objections they'd like to offer?
I agree that Froyo is fine, far better than 2.1. I also think that 2.3 is smoother than Froyo, I don't know how else to say it...it may be just playing with system variables, but it feels faster.
I did not do any bench testing, my average Linpack scores are slightly higher, but not enough to matter.
If I was stuck on Froyo, it would be fine, it really is a major step above 2.1.
My battery is about the same, I can't see much difference between Froyo and GB, i still have to charge at least twice a day.
I have 2 x's. One active, one wireless. Both were on froyo. Loaded tbh 2 part yesterday on wireless one. Never had a custom rom. Both rooted. Netflix works fine on both. While I see some improvement on side by side benchmarks (quandrant, linpack, and nenamark 1), it's not exactly what I was expecting. Most posts I've read make it sound like froyo sucks compared to gb. IMO, with my 2 phones, there is just not that big of a difference. Both are oc'd. I get about the same battery life (24 hours) between charges. Now my buddy has the original droid, and THAT is a painful experience. His is totally stock. Won't do anything to it.
I think the biggest difference I notice between my 2 phones is boot up time and powering off (substantially faster on gb). So for me, at least for now, will leave active on froyo and wireless on tbh odexed 596.
We have a couple of DX at the office. A few have the new GB and mine is still Froyo. Have not seen a huge difference running business apps. Touchdown (which we use allot) seems smoother. But the other fluff stuff is about the same.
ZooDad
Overall gingerbread is just refinement over froyo. Its more efficient, smoother, faster, and is the future. As more phones get gingerbread, officially or not, there will be more dev work done to bring back the cool tricks. Already there really isn't a shortfall in that category. All future customizations will be for gingerbread, not froyo. The stock gingerbread release will be at least as good as the froyo release, but will be (I can confirm IS) better than froyo. They won't make a product worse with an update like this. (Btw, teathering still works, you just have to take an extra step.)
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Gingerbread just runs that much smoother. It's not quite the step from 2.1 to 2.2, but it's definitely very noticeable. Multitasking seemed far improved.
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Over the past few weeks I have installed the GB leaks as they were released. It's been a good learning experience for me as I don't have a background in mobile OS's or applications. But to be honest, I feel Froyo is just fine for me.
Using Froyo I'm able to watch Hulu with the hex fixed libflashplayer.so, I'm able to use wireless tethering and PDAnet, Netflix works and beyond that--my observed battery life seems to be higher with Froyo. ...and you know what else? My phone never seemed any faster using Gingerbread.
While I'm not "done" messing around with my phone (SBF'ing is easy enough), I do think that overall, Froyo is just fine for me. Does anyone else agree, or have objections they'd like to offer?
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I am with you. To me it seems like GB is a lot of "Fluff". It almost seems as though Verizon just wanted to push out Gingerbread to be able to minimize damage with regards to "Tethering".
Ok people, like the tittle says, state your reasons.This is for current ROMs we have available at the moment and also lets put in perspective that we will never get a official GB source for our Vibrants. I feel this will help any newb in deciding what he/she would like to flash on his/her Vibrant and also those of us who will not succumb to ads telling you your phone is old as **** and you NEED to buy a new one or else you will never be cool again and will live the rest of your life as a looser with hairy palms.
Tell us what ROM you're on. Try to be professional when stating your reasons. Give us your opinion on other ROMs you were on or tried but DO NOT flame the ROM cuz we all know Devs work really hard to give us (for FREE) these masterpieces for us to enjoy or else we could be stuck on stock and there ain't nothing worse than that. NO FLAMING other people's opinion also, that's why they are called opinions (and just like assholes) we all have one. Fire away..
Staying with Froyo 2.2.1. Reason
- GPS
- Battery life
- Overall smoothness and ZERO bugs
- Netflix now on Froyo
- Great FFC support in most apps
- Dont use skype video chat much (thats actually the only one app I miss a little bit being on froyo)
The absolute ONLY reason to use froyo is for gps support. That said, the gps on this phone is crap anyway so there is really no reason for froyo. Gingerbread has been faster, smoother, and more stable for me.
I'm one of those that will keep using my Vibrant as long as possible. I'm currently on Bionix 1.3.1. Battery and GPS (the two biggest issues regarding the Vibrant) work great for me. I tried CM7 on my other Vibrant and I got to tell you its pretty smooth, responsive and stable but it did not beat my other Vibrant with Bionix on a overnight battery standby test. I made sure for both of them to have running just the necessary system apps for the test. CM7 GPS does work it seems but it took forever to lock inside my house compared to my Bionix with the s.gps.2 installed (5 sec.). I did not do a Navigation test on both so I can't call this a complete test. I will stay on Bionix because I need a ROM that is as close to 100% in stability and functionality and I feels it (Bionix) gives it to me.
On 2.3:
CRT Animation
Speed
Battery life is improving (almost on par with Froyo)
Overglow effect
Look
Customization (on MIUI or CM7)
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Overglow effect
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The one thing that I'm jealous about 2.3.
My reasons for moving to CM7:
- Much smoother than even some of the nicer FY roms I used
- Little Details (battery graph, customization options, etc)
My reasons for moving back to Froyo from CM7:
- Battery life
- GPS
- Battery life
- Seriously: battery life (even with Bali's kernel, I'd have to charge at least 2x a day)
CM7 is ready for primetime. However, the Vibrant is not ready for CM7. The devs don't have source and don't (and IMHO, won't ever) have GPS drivers.
Speed and overall smoothness of whole phone an battery is ok an sometime excellent 12hrs is good enough really customization of themes
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@Mindaika try Neo redux 9 much better battery an GPS idk cuz I never used it since got phone
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I moved to cm7 cause of the mindblowing performance difference... just no lag or instability and i have desktop class browsing when i overclock thats even faster than the pentium 1.6ghz laptop i used to use o.o
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cm7, reasons (in no order):
i like having the newest version of android (fragmentation? i was running 2.3.5 like the day it came out), gps works (i ran it before gps worked, though because it is worth it) and gets to ~3m accuracy when the best i got on froyo was ~6m, crt effect, overall better performance, i've ran cm7 on other devices and it's always been good to me and provides a consistent experience.
basically, with the gps being fixed, the oc/uv built into the stock kernel (providing pretty good battery life even at 1.3Ghz), and it being extremely easy to flash i don't see why anyone would still be running froyo.
2.2 (Bionix NextGen V2)
Stability
Better GPS
Better Battery
No Random reboots
Swype (it does not work in Simply Honey but does work in CWM)
Faster with OC than 2.3.4
Better 3D rendering
Even with all this, It is very likely that I will move back to 2.3.x again if the GPS reboot issues are fixed. For those unknowing, The GPS works in 2.3.x but if you turn the radio off, it will not work again until you reboot the phone. This is the biggest issue for me.
Just flashed Biffmod 1.3 (GB 2.3.5) last Thursday and was actually very surprised at how well it runs.
-Battery life is actually better on this ROM than what it was on Bionix 1.3.1
-GPS is on par with what I had on froyo
-Runs smoother than a baby's bottom
-Web browsing is more responsive
All-in-all, I'm happy using this as my DD. Everything works as well, if not better than on bionix. But we all know, YMMV.
I tried MIUI and Simply Honey 5.0
Both were awesome and looked awesome.
However since then I have switched back to Trigger 3.2
The biggest reason for me is battery life.
Even though some of the stuff (battery graph, new market, animations) aren't as good as the GB roms it has great battery life.
I'll probably give it a couple months and try the GB roms again..
T-mobile screwed us over so we'll probably never get the source code for GB.
If the GB leak came out the GB Roms would take leaps over the FROYO roms.
i havent used froyo as my main rom for a few months the reason i changed to cm7: much more smoother for me
i prefer the newest
gps is not a must for me
great themes
good battery life
Miui 2.3.5 GB
Gingerbread performance
Stable & Smooth
Battery "Decent"
UI and Theme Customization
Weekly updates that improve overall user experience
and Honestly it's just a gorgeous UI.
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Staying with Froyo 2.2.1. Reason
- GPS
- Battery life
- Overall smoothness and ZERO bugs
- Netflix now on Froyo
- Great FFC support in most apps
- Dont use skype video chat much (thats actually the only one app I miss a little bit being on froyo)
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very true...
So it seems alot of you prefered moving up to a GB ROM. I tried CM7 and MIUI looks to iPhonish to me which is not bad but I dont want launcher icons on my screens (beside what is on my dock) which also brings the issue of it not having an app drawer and thats what I liked from Android when I moved from the Iphone. So besides those two which is the most stable GB ROM out there so I could install it on my second Vibrant?
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2 words.
TV out.
Other than that, gb is fantastic.
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Even with all this, It is very likely that I will move back to 2.3.x again if the GPS reboot issues are fixed. For those unknowing, The GPS works in 2.3.x but if you turn the radio off, it will not work again until you reboot the phone. This is the biggest issue for me.
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i'm using cm7 with the newer gpsd file (i don't know if it's now included in cm7 or not, but it's pretty easy to find) and i just turned gps off then back on, then turned airplane mode on then back off and then opened gps status without rebooting and locked 10/11 sats with a 6m error and i'm inside.