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2 days left to return XOOM to BB -> Samsung 10.1

Got the XOOM wifi for my Bday. Totally enjoying the android tablet experience (also a Fascinate phone user). There are a few minor nit-picks for me with the XOOM. Seeing the Samsung 10.1 at Google IO is making me reconside my selection:
XOOM Nit Picks:
A bit Heavy (but certainly sturdy). I don't have any real need to lug this thing too far from my home office, so not really a deal breaker.
Power button on the back. I lie the XOOM flat on my desk. I need to pick it up to wake it up - many time per day. I find this oddly annoying!
Display just feels washed out to me. I have gotten away from the conservative auto-brightness to manually adjusted to better suite my taste. This is surely an UNFAIR LED vs Super Amoled comparison (like on my phone), but nonetheless, it is an issue for me.
Non-USB charging - yep, one more cable to manage. Again, this is an Android Tablet general concern, not specific to the XOOM.
So, the Samsung hits a couple topics for me: Lightweight, thinner, button on edge. But has its own set of issues for me:
Not 3.1 yet, Samsung seem terribly slow to push out upgrades (maybe really a Verizon issue on my phone?).
No HDMI/USB support. I am guessing they will provide some sort of dongle to provide these features, but ONE MORE piece to manage.
No SD Card support. I don have a big concern here, but who knows in the future?
Construction. The Google IO devices really looked/felt like cheap-plastic with that funky white back - but this may be how they get the weight spec to fall just below the iPad2. This is one of my gripes with the Fascinate phone - cheap back. I've not heard any reports of the retail config in June. Will it be like the IO devices, or return to something more like the original 10.18.9 black back.
I am totally on the fence here. Any suggestions??
Thanks,
Mark

Have you held a tab 10.1? it does not feel cheap and plasticy.

Xoom:
Available now w/3.1
802.11 a/b/g/n (as far as I know it's the only device with 5ghz wifi)
OTA updates (kies LOL)
Weight:
I typically carry mine around in some sort of folio case, or padded bag. To me, a few grams of weight is 100% negligible because of that fact... if I had any other tablet I'd stick it in a folio or case of some sort as well which surely adds to the weight. I don't know very many people that use their tablets without any form of cover/folio/case/screen film/etc. Even when I'm "around the house" I put it in a gel sleeve which adds to the weight. So... truly... is weight an issue on any of these tablets?
Screen:
I've held an ipad, an ipad2, a xoom, and an acer all together (not at once) - generally the screen on the ipads just seem better. dont know what the trickery is because its not just the fact that its an IPS screen vs a TN panel... I played with an Acer which is supposedly IPS as well and I thought it looked practically the same as my Xoom. I did get to hold it side by side with my Xoom at a tradeshow, it was a fun little tablet but it felt a little awkward to me. The button and output placement on it was better.
Peripheral placement:
Where the Xoom "sucks" the most if i may say it... is where everything plugs in. Short of the contacts for the power dock being on the bottom everything else is just wrong. You can't dock it and plug it into USB at the same time, gee thanks motorola.
My opinion:
Someone gave you a Xoom and you're out nothing. If you want a samsung tablet just wait until it comes out and sell your Xoom for $399 to someone as a deal and use that money to subsidize your samsung purchase.

I've got until tomorrow to return mine if I want. I've owned the original iPad, the Playbook and rooted a Nook Color. Currently, I have a Transformer on order and who knows if it will ever ship. Anyway, I agree with the previous poster that a little weight really is of little importance, especially when you put on a case. Also, for me, the connectivity is a concern because I use HDMI out a lot.
The Galaxy Tab looks appealing and I'm sure the screen will impress. However, I wonder if it will suffer from the light bleeding issues other such screens seem to have. I am also hesitant to jump in because of the stated concerns about Samsung not updating their products. That wouldn't be as great a concern if 3.1 wasn't such a dang improvement in performance and stability. Personally, I think the wiser course of action is to wait until the Galaxy 8.9. By then, surely 3.1 will be implemented and you will get a better form factor for carry.

Hi MarkP,
I think it`s really a hard decision, every review is saying great things about the Tab 10.1, for me the mains CONS are exactly those you mentioned, lack of ports and SD Reader (to be confirmed, actually, there are rumors that the retail version will have an SD reader).
Just to correct one point, the Tab 10.1 is not AMOLED, Samsung did not mention the display technology and people is speculating that it could be a Super LCD (the qualitty is very good), but is no AMOLED for sure.
I would be very worried about the pace of updates from Samsung, specially in the case of the retail tab which is supposed to come with some sort of TouchWiz (TouchWiz in itself is a big MINUS in my opinion, I like the Google Experience).
I think in any case you will be with a nice tablet, dependes of what is more important to your specific use case.
Regards ans good luck.
Sandro

dulaney22 said:
I've got until tomorrow to return mine if I want. I've owned the original iPad, the Playbook and rooted a Nook Color. Currently, I have a Transformer on order and who knows if it will ever ship. Anyway, I agree with the previous poster that a little weight really is of little importance, especially when you put on a case. Also, for me, the connectivity is a concern because I use HDMI out a lot.
The Galaxy Tab looks appealing and I'm sure the screen will impress. However, I wonder if it will suffer from the light bleeding issues other such screens seem to have. I am also hesitant to jump in because of the stated concerns about Samsung not updating their products. That wouldn't be as great a concern if 3.1 wasn't such a dang improvement in performance and stability. Personally, I think the wiser course of action is to wait until the Galaxy 8.9. By then, surely 3.1 will be implemented and you will get a better form factor for carry.
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I agree, weight is a non issue for the most part, and I also agree about waiting to see if samsung updates...I mean, I have a Samsung Vibrant and have had a Samsung Galaxy Tab, and the updates are slow to come(if they come at all.)...Don't get me wrong maybe Samsung will shape up in the future, but for now til I see it I am going to try to stay clear of Samsung Android devices.

I personally don't understand the argument of Xoom's weight. Did people become that fragile that they can't carry around a device that is less than 2 lbs?
Also, Xoom will have a superior build quality compared to Tab 10.1, this is why it is heavier. You cannot have a slim, lightweight device that will have fantastic build quality. When you make a device that lightweight, you are giving up quality.
To me, it seems Xoom will always get it's updates quicker than any other Honeycomb tablet. Don't forget, Iconia and Transformer will get it in June, even though they are already available. With Samsung having touchwiz, my guess it will get updates a few weeks if not more after Xoom. And remember I/O? Xoom was the device Google used through out their experiments. If this is any indication, Xoom will probably get more dev support in terms of hardware capabilities.

I guess I can't really add anything that numerous people here have already pointed out. My biggest disappointment with the xoom is the display. It's just not vibrant in any way. Pretty dull really, in my opinion. However, the fact that the xoom has pure honeycomb and will get updates much faster than other tablets that contain OEM bloat is the key factor in my wanting the xoom over others. And, the bootloader is open. My first and current android device is the Moto Atrix, and I really wish I waited or researched the android world more before I bought it, and go a device that didn't have a locked bootloader, or could be unlocked.
If you're really on the fence about it, just return the xoom before it's too late, wait for the Samsung to come out and go compare them side by side. Unless of course you must have a tablet to use between now and release.

holtenc said:
I guess I can't really add anything that numerous people here have already pointed out. My biggest disappointment with the xoom is the display. It's just not vibrant in any way. Pretty dull really, in my opinion. However, the fact that the xoom has pure honeycomb and will get updates much faster than other tablets that contain OEM bloat is the key factor in my wanting the xoom over others. And, the bootloader is open. My first and current android device is the Moto Atrix, and I really wish I waited or researched the android world more before I bought it, and go a device that didn't have a locked bootloader, or could be unlocked.
If you're really on the fence about it, just return the xoom before it's too late, wait for the Samsung to come out and go compare them side by side. Unless of course you must have a tablet to use between now and release.
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I don't think the display is bad from vibrant standpoint, but I wish there was some way to change the color temperature to make it a little warmer. Frankly, I don't care much for the overly saturated colors of the Samsung or iPad.

samsung has always been slow and lazy on updates.
Sent from my Xoom using Tapatalk

i think I need to see the galaxy 10.1 display in person because the colors I have seen in all the pictures look a little too saturated to me...I think that would get annoying after a while. From a color saturation standpoint, I would prefer the xoom over the GT 10.1

Thanks everyone!
A few notes to add:
The Bday gift was to myself
Yep. The Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 display is also LED, not amoled like my Fascinate (I wish!). Probably will look very much the same as the XOOM, unless Samsung is able to config color/contrast/saturation default levels before shipping - or provide an interface for these options.
I think I may just return the XOOM, and go tablet-less until ~June 4 timeframe, then try to find a Samsung 10.1 display to do the touchy-feely stuff.
Worse case (or best case) - I buy the XOOM again, probably for a discount over the $599 I paid ($569 prices around today).
Will be only a small issue to go tabet-less for the next 20-30 days!

Looks like the GTab 10.1 i/o devices are suffering from a bit of backlight bleed themselves.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=13959199#post13959199
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/qVS8KhM_rtXC555bw011jg
Good luck being able to rip open 10 of them on launch day to find a good one. Sometimes the quality control (or lack thereof) just baffles me.

^something like that I completely allowed on my $200 nook color. But when you double-plus the price, my tolerance grows quite thin and I expect the hardware to be as close to perfect as possible. Meaning: no back-light bleed.

Why not return, then repurchase at a different merchant to re extend your return time so you can wait for the Samsung to come out and be able to make a more informed decision? Once you sign into Google with the newly purchased xoom, virtually everything but your movies music and photos will be loaded back onto it.
You probably shouldn't do this, I only did something like this one time when i had a wedding shoot and really needed the money but had just sold my Sony nex. I went to Walmart and bought a dslr camera and returned it after the shoot. I'm sure if lots of people do this, it could **** with the merchants and Motorola. But, you know, its all well within your rights, just frowned upon. Your call.
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Xoom is not the best, but enough to make me satisfied. The problem is Honeycomb itself (lag, missing apps..) not the xoom hardware.

tritran18518 said:
Xoom is not the best, but enough to make me satisfied. The problem is Honeycomb itself (lag, missing apps..) not the xoom hardware.
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Are you still having lag issues even after 3.1? Are you able to surf the net and listen to mp3 without any issues? I have a TF and I dont know if its worth waiting for 3.1 in June. My return date for my TF is at the end of May. I heard good things about 3.1. Listening to my music and surfing is one of the thing I do the most, and on 3.0 using either playerpro or PowerAMP cause so much lag that it will lock up the browser or the player. With PlayerPro it will actually stutter during playback

I was planning on waiting for the 10.1 but started having doubts when I heard about the lack of SD card, then in a moment of doubt I found a xoom on ebay for $405, I definitively think its worth it fr $405.

tritran18518 said:
Xoom is not the best, but enough to make me satisfied. The problem is Honeycomb itself (lag, missing apps..) not the xoom hardware.
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Are you not on 3.1?

erzhik said:
I personally don't understand the argument of Xoom's weight. Did people become that fragile that they can't carry around a device that is less than 2 lbs?
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no ****. you gotta laugh when someone complains how tablet x is soooo much heavier than tablet y... and the difference is only 100 grams!

KUDO's to Asus

I typically do not post raves, but this time I have to rave about the Transformer. This is what everyone that try's to do an android tablet should be making. I got the Gtab last fall and did all the moding to get a usable tablet. Worked pretty good I had to say. Until now. The TF is outstanding. I had the pleasure of quieting a couple friends with iPads on Friday. The TF tore through internet pages, video on Youtube and anything else they could challenge me with.
I have been a fan of Asus for awhile and will continue to praise their product.
FYI, buy from a reputable vendor and you wont have the headaches.

Yeah this thing is amazing. I remember watching a reviews before I ordered it, saying the back felt cheap because it had a strange pattern but it feels so nice, and of course, doesn't scratch!

+1 had to go show it to my old boss the ultimate apple product fanboy, he looked for a bit, then quickly found a reason not to talk to me anymore normally he would argue with me about how apple is far superior, there is no argument that really holds water in the ipad vs eeepad shootout

I completely agree. After I messed around with most tablets out there. (Xoom, Iconia, iPad 1 and 2, etc...) I finally settled on the TF and I do not regret a thing. I absolutely love the little guy. The transformer is easily my favorite tablet and product that I've purchased from ASUS.

Almost a year ago Asus was showing off that 12 inch win7 tablet/laptop/transformer, and I wanted it so bad back then...
Januari this year I bought the Toshiba Folio 100, and after modding it, it does work very well imo... But when I walked through a MediaMarkt XL store (just to look aroudn and play around with some stuff), I saw this transformer, and I knew I was going to buy it, but I wanted to make sure it really was what it looked like... so I read and watched a lot of reviews, and bought it the next day!
It's so nice that I even leave my 15" HP ProBook at home most of the time!
(The wallpaper is a live video wallpaper)

I have to agree on that.
The Transformer is a very well done and smartly design product.
Kudo's to asus !
The keyboard integration is so good that i'm using the tablet almost exclusivly with the dock.
It's light, easy to use, the trackpad is awesome, the connectivity is top notch and the battery life is....well it's basicly the longest battery life there is in any device. Want to use it all day long in your garden downloading movie, watching them and browsing internet while chatting with friend ? You can ! This thing just can't run out of juice !
Gratz Asus! Waiting for you to roll out Ice cream as soon as you can.

Same here, Kudos to Asus! I'm moving on close to 2 months since the release and couldn't be happier...no problems. And, oh so, glad I got the dock/keyboard that really makes it unique and above the rest.
And please with all the card slots, etc. it offers that others don't. Also, pretty impressed that they rolled out the new update in a timely fashion for 3.1, while it looks like other tablets were waiting.
Guess that's why it's reported Asus Transformer is best selling android tablet!
I'm a happy customer and use it every day, all day long most time with a great battery life between it and my keyboard.

I must say that I'm also very pleased with the TF101. There have been lots of other posts/threads which slam them for the light bleed, non-working issues, etc., but really, I think ASUS has done a great job considering that it's their first foray into Android, AND they come with a product that no one else offers (dock functionality). It takes a hell of a lot of QA to make sure that it's ready for production, and despite myself having to return a faulty dock, I also give Kudos to them.
In fact, as I was reporting on my faulty dock issue a while ago, I received a PM from ASUS themselves! They offered to exchange my complete setup for a brand new one (dock, tablet, cables, etc.), however I declined because everything is working great for me once exchanging my faulty dock at the store I purchased it from.
Getting that message and noting that ASUS themselves are watching these boards, as they know we have a great passion for 'pimping out' devices gives me another great feeling.
Has anyone else been in contact by ASUS on XDA?
Regardless, yes. Kudos to you ASUS!

I, too, love my Transformer plus dock. Mine has no light bleed, no creaking, no problems at all. And I'm a total n00b when it comes to Android, but by reading the manual and the helpful advice here and another forum, I've gotten most or all of my questions answered. If even a beginner like me can feel comfortable, Asus has hit it out of the park.

xTRICKYxx said:
Yeah this thing is amazing. I remember watching a reviews before I ordered it, saying the back felt cheap because it had a strange pattern but it feels so nice, and of course, doesn't scratch!
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Mine feels extremely solid, and well built...not sure where the reviewers are getting this unless they were stuck with some bad ones...
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garak0410 said:
Mine feels extremely solid, and well built...not sure where the reviewers are getting this unless they were stuck with some bad ones...
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Review units are usually from pre-production or 1st production runs, and almost always have disclaimers that they are pre-prodution run review units. It also explains some of the early units that appear on the market having some QA issues.
I have a B05 UK model, and have none of the problems mentioned, it's got fantastic build quality, and my Apple loving boss has last week sold his ipad2 and bought one too after seeing mine+dock.
The days of Apple ruling the roost are long gone, you can get better and cheaper buy buying non-Apple these days. My phone is a HTC that's WAY better than anything Apple make, my tablet is an Asus and ditto....

My tab definitely feels solid too. I don't get all the "cheap" complaints because mine has been just fine and dandy. I do have a little bit of light bleed but it's really only visible when the entire screen is black, and honestly, it's something I can overlook. Just a minor annoyance, and I'll take dealing with it given the price
<3 the TF!

Have to agree pretty much with all the previous posts here. Have read most all the other posts of complaints and honestly while some were bonafide issues I rather felt some were suffering from too high expectations. My TF is quite probably from the initial release go-round and pretty much has been fine. A few annoyances? Sure. The dock battery drain is troublesome as is the charger (email to Asus was NEVER even acknowledged sad to say) but hoping future software fixes will be forthcoming.
Overall, I'm pleased and impressed.

Baconstrip said:
My tab definitely feels solid too. I don't get all the "cheap" complaints because mine has been just fine and dandy. I do have a little bit of light bleed but it's really only visible when the entire screen is black, and honestly, it's something I can overlook. Just a minor annoyance, and I'll take dealing with it given the price
<3 the TF!
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well I can't tell if I have any light bleeding... I've ran several dead pixel and light bleeding test programs and all of the colors of 100 percent solid. My settings screen and my browser bookmark page look like they have light bleed but several people have told me that is by design.
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I am very satisfied as well. I also have the keyboard version and it's not only usefull when writing longer texts (e.g. emails) but it gives the extra boost in battery life which is very welcomed!

I'm definitely not selling mine!
I'm thrilled with almost everything about it.
I also own an iPad and can comment without bias. The TF is better in nearly every way (especially the OS). The one area I think the iPad wins is the structural strength. It just feels tougher. I do like the really simple design but unfortunately apple let that spill over into every facet of the device.
TF for the win (especially with prime! 1.5)

Not untill this has netflix,hulu plus, words with friends honeycomb edition and potrait frame rate fix honeycomb tabs would never be an iPad killer

bboyle said:
I typically do not post raves, but this time I have to rave about the Transformer. This is what everyone that try's to do an android tablet should be making. I got the Gtab last fall and did all the moding to get a usable tablet. Worked pretty good I had to say. Until now. The TF is outstanding. I had the pleasure of quieting a couple friends with iPads on Friday. The TF tore through internet pages, video on Youtube and anything else they could challenge me with.
I have been a fan of Asus for awhile and will continue to praise their product.
FYI, buy from a reputable vendor and you wont have the headaches.
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My cousin, a huge apple fan boy, talked trash about my tablet for a while. Then he came over the shoot pool with me yesterday, and he saw my tablet with the keyboard dock, and he was like on nice you got a new netbook? I guess your tablet was not enough.
I told him this is my tablet and then showed him how it works, he was like Sh!t, why cant apple do cool stuff like that!!
"Android" steals the best stuff, and improves on it" I had to laugh at him.
Brandon

cowballz69 said:
Not untill this has netflix,hulu plus, words with friends honeycomb edition and potrait frame rate fix honeycomb tabs would never be an iPad killer
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To each their own! Plenty of people could care less about those apps and don't even miss them when they're gone.

dan-htc-touch said:
+1 had to go show it to my old boss the ultimate apple product fanboy, he looked for a bit, then quickly found a reason not to talk to me anymore normally he would argue with me about how apple is far superior, there is no argument that really holds water in the ipad vs eeepad shootout
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Reality check.
Rational arguments favoring the iPad 2 would include build quality, form factor (half as thick and also lighter), resale value, screen quality (brighter at max, dimmer at min, less reflective), performance (iPad's PowerVR crushes Tegra 2, no problems with 720p h.264 and iOS 5 has no problems even with 1080p h.264 whereas my TF cannot currently decode 720p acceptably, negating for me the advantage of the 16:10 screen). Also consider O/S maturity and reliability (most obviously the default Honeycomb launcher+browser are junk although ADW+Opera are much better, if buggy), the development tools (the Android emulator in particular is laughable - the iPad emulator in XCode is literally ~100x faster), app selection (Netflix an obvious example, there are thousands more), app quality (same app on both platforms is almost always inferior on TF) - in fact I don't see Android app performance ever approaching iOS here on similar hardware due to the overhead imposed by the Dalvik VM. Also, iTunes movies, TV shows, audiobooks etc. are one click away (although you have to pay for them vs torrents/Handbrake etc). Maybe if I had I non-rooted non-wifi-only Xoom I could try Google movies - I wouldn't known since I have an Asus TF and it has not been white-listed yet (BTW this kind of will-it-install/run/work roulette would not fly on the iTunes store). AirPlay, AirPrint and Home Sharing also 'Just Works.'.
I guess none of these arguments 'hold water' to you but if Google, OEMs like Asus and users rationalize away these things I think you can pretty much kiss this platform goodbye.
... which would be unfortunate because the Transformer's advantages are not insignificant - for $100 less (32GB vs 32GB) I get the MicroSD slot (plus SD with the dock) which gives me 64gb swappable storage in addition to the 32gb onboard (vs 64gb total on iPad), Apple's 'walled garden' is breached so I can install 3rd party keyboards, cloud-based music players, launchers, widgets etc. I also don't have to worry about Apple yanking the Kindle app etc for not paying the tithe etc.

[Q] Galaxy 10.1/Tranformer/Xoom?! Which one?

Hi all, trying to decide which tablet to get. Hoping to get some honest unbiased opinions. I am coming from an IPad 1 which i loved. Also, I have the $100.00 off staples coupon, however I can NOT get the Asus at 100 off. Everywhere I checked in my area would not honor the coupon because Staples does not have it in stock, I can only get the xoom or Samsung 100.00 off. SO I know most of the pros and cons of each but most reviews that favor the Asus like it because of the price cut. I am going into this with all 3 the same price (only difference being I can get a 32gb xoom at the price of the 16gb asus and samsung)
ASUS 16gb - 399.99
What I like about the ASUS:
Screen I read is the best.
Mini HDMI
SD Card
Lots of mod potential
CONS:
heavier
proprietary cable that i can not find for sale anywhere
large frame.
less than quality build
I dont care about the dock, probably wont buy it.
XOOM - 32gb - 399.99
What I like about the XOOM
largest capacity
Updates first
quality build
SD card slot
HDMI out
no proprietary cable
lots of accessories
CONS:
not the best screen
heaviest
seems to be a little slower than the others (not as responsive)
not a lot of mods available
Galaxy Tab - 399.99 16gb
Pros:
light
quality build
smaller frame
optional keyboard if I want
nice screen
fast/responsive
good mod community
CONS:
proprietary cable
no SD Card slot (huge)
no HDMI out
So with all that said, any opinions/suggestions would really help. Like I said I have the 100.00 coupon and I hate to not use it. So with it I can get all 3 for 399.99 BUT if I choose the Samsung, I would probably pay the 499.99 for the 32 gig (using the 100.00 off) since it has no SD card slot which REALLY SUX. Id be using the tab for movie watching a lot, lots of web browsing, and some EBOOK/PDF mag reading mainly with light gaming and light music listening.
I REALLY need some help.

Build Quality is a BIG factor
Personally I think you will be less than impressed with the build quality of the Asus. True, the screen is the best, but I have held one for extended periods of time and compared to the Xoom, it is really poorly made. The feel of the plastic and poor quality made me frustrated while using the device for 15 minutes. It would really bug me if I paid good money for one and had to hold the cheap feeling device every time.
The Galaxy is a nice device with a decent UI built on top of HC 3.1. The screen was a bit too washed out and saturated for me. I think the Xoom has a softer, more true color balance. The proprietary cables and lack of expansion slot is why I would not migrate to Samsung. Needing an additional dongle cable for I/O kind of stinks.
Here is a review I wrote for the Xoom and compared it in some areas to Asus, Acer, Toshiba and Samsung.
As with any purchase it boils down to preference, price and personal taste. I went from an Acer to the Xoom because of the build quality, Out of the Box support, accessory support, and OS support. The hardware and software integration had less problems on the Xoom than the Acer. Toshiba is experiencing big issues in this area as well. Screens not waking up and other issues with the OS and hardware are problems.
Also keep in mind the Xoom integrates with your PC for file transfers. Other HC devices do not integrate as easily. The Toshiba and Acer can not see their internal storage when attached to a PC. There is no way to easily transfer fies from a PC, Mac or Linux. With the Xoom it is seen as a removable drive.
Also, waiting for Samsung or Asus to release their approved updates could be frustrating if you want the latest and greatest from google. Acer is just now getting the 3.1 update to their devices because of the manufacturer UI integration. The Xoom is the cleanest HC OS with no UI laid over the stock ROM from Google.
Happy hunting.

Xoom charges the fastest. That matters to me.

I had the Xoom, returned it for the Transformer, then returned the Transformer for the Galaxy tab 10.1. I will be keeping the 10.1 and love it.
The Xoom screen is TERRIBLE and it's way too heavy. And up until recently the Xoom was the most expensive tablet on the market, despite having the worst features.
The Transformer was just a big POS. Software was extremely slow on laggy, build quality was abysmal.
I have no need for microSD or HDMI so that was no big deal for me. what I wanted was a light tablet with a wonderful screen and high build quality. The Galaxy tab 10.1 is the only one that gives me that.
What the Xoom has going for it is that it is the first to get Honeycomb updates, and it's built like a tank (in a good way, meaning it's sturdy).
I would use the $100 Staples coupon and get the Galaxy Tab 10.1. Thankfully it is still shipping without Touchwiz, since I don't like how Touchwiz tries to make Honeycomb look like iOS (seriously Samsung, get off of Apple's nuts already, it's embarrassing).

I'm in the same boat as you kinda. Looking at which tablet I will be buying.
Unfortunately, as of yet there is not one that I say I want and has everything I want. Xoom and Galaxy Tab 10.1 come closest, but then again - screen quality on Xoom seems to be poor whilst on the Galaxy there is no micro SD expansion possibility (which is a must in my eyes).
Will probably go for a Xoom - just need to convince myself a bit more and hope I'm not disappointed with the screen.

screwhead89 said:
I'm in the same boat as you kinda. Looking at which tablet I will be buying.
Unfortunately, as of yet there is not one that I say I want and has everything I want. Xoom and Galaxy Tab 10.1 come closest, but then again - screen quality on Xoom seems to be poor whilst on the Galaxy there is no micro SD expansion possibility (which is a must in my eyes).
Will probably go for a Xoom - just need to convince myself a bit more and hope I'm not disappointed with the screen.
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This is driving me crazy...I'm a painter and use the Xoom as my mobile portfolio. I have compared the photos on the Xoom screen to the photos on my pc and the actual artwork, and the colors are extremely close to true life. I know that humans are attracted to over-saturated colors, but that would be a big problem for me.
I have no noticable issues with ghosting. I'm extremely satisfied with the Xoom screen. It works for me but YMMV.
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yeah. xoom is the best overall. maybe not hands down or overwhelmingly. but the best nonetheless.
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Unless you're directly comparing the xoom screen right next to another device, you won't notice a thing.

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I had the Xoom, returned it for the Transformer, then returned the Transformer for the Galaxy tab 10.1. I will be keeping the 10.1 and love it.
The Xoom screen is TERRIBLE and it's way too heavy. And up until recently the Xoom was the most expensive tablet on the market, despite having the worst features.
The Transformer was just a big POS. Software was extremely slow on laggy, build quality was abysmal.
I have no need for microSD or HDMI so that was no big deal for me. what I wanted was a light tablet with a wonderful screen and high build quality. The Galaxy tab 10.1 is the only one that gives me that.
What the Xoom has going for it is that it is the first to get Honeycomb updates, and it's built like a tank (in a good way, meaning it's sturdy).
I would use the $100 Staples coupon and get the Galaxy Tab 10.1. Thankfully it is still shipping without Touchwiz, since I don't like how Touchwiz tries to make Honeycomb look like iOS (seriously Samsung, get off of Apple's nuts already, it's embarrassing).
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Xoom has the worst features? Just because you don't use HDMI or microSD (that will probably change) doesn't mean you can ignore those features. The only downside I can see is that it doesn't have an IPS display - but even that isn't a big deal. When you aren't in a showroom, those IPS displays (like on my brother's iPad 2) are blinding. It may have taken a while to reach its potential, but the Xoom is still the best Android tablet you can buy.

Thx for the responses, although I'm still just as confused as before lol!

The ones you have listed basically have the same specs all around the board, it really comes down to built quality and the extra features. While the Transformer has some cool add-ons, they're expensive as Hell. When it comes to build quality I give the edge to the Xoom. Some people complain that it weighs...all of 1.6 pounds, I actually prefer for something I might be holding to have a little bit of weight, otherwise I may forget I'm holding it and drop it. The Xoom also has the best cameras, if that makes any difference, and has the most accessories. I really wanted to get the Tab 10.1, but when I found out it has (or will have) a stupid dongle like the iPad, then I decided against it. It's just something else to lose or break, and is completely unnecessary, but that's just the way that Samsung tends to do things.

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The ones you have listed basically have the same specs all around the board, it really comes down to built quality and the extra features. While the Transformer has some cool add-ons, they're expensive as Hell. When it comes to build quality I give the edge to the Xoom. Some people complain that it weighs...all of 1.6 pounds, I actually prefer for something I might be holding to have a little bit of weight, otherwise I may forget I'm holding it and drop it. The Xoom also has the best cameras, if that makes any difference, and has the most accessories. I really wanted to get the Tab 10.1, but when I found out it has (or will have) a stupid dongle like the iPad, then I decided against it. It's just something else to lose or break, and is completely unnecessary, but that's just the way that Samsung tends to do things.
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One more thing that just struck me on my way to work...the Xoom is a serious device for getting things done. I never use my laptop in the field anymore; the Xoom does it all. I don't know how the other tabs stack up when it comes to serious work but it's a consideration for me.

I have gone thru 3 ipads -- 2 ipad 1 (wifi then 3g) and an ipa2 3g, Galaxy Tab (7"), and the Evo View 4G (7"), as well my Xoom. I decided against keeping the ipads mostly because they're really just oversized iphones (which I already use) and I was looking for more. I love the smaller form factor of the 7" devices but ended up more convinced of the Honeycomb than the earlier Android OS. I've compared the Xoom display to virtually all the others now being offered including HP's new Touchpad. It's pretty subjective IMHO -- yes, the GTab 10.1 more highly saturated colors give a first impression of "better" colors, but having used the Xoom daily since it first arrived in Feb, I can honestly say none of the other displays was good enough to convince me to give up the Xoom. It's a workhorse and seems to remain ahead of the others because XDA-Developers continually offers advancements that Moto and Verizon haven't even thought about yet.

I had the Galaxy Tab 7" and got the Xoom when it came out. The Tab is more refined than the Xoom but I am pretty sure that's because the Tab is running 2.2 and not Gingerbread. Once the update for the Xoom hits mine I'm sure I'll like it much more than I currently do with the missing SD card and 4g.

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I had the Galaxy Tab 7" and got the Xoom when it came out. The Tab is more refined than the Xoom but I am pretty sure that's because the Tab is running 2.2 and not Gingerbread. Once the update for the Xoom hits mine I'm sure I'll like it much more than I currently do with the missing SD card and 4g.
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If you're rooted (and I sure recommend it) why not try the Tiamat 2.0 Manta Ray in the Xoom development section. It is really super - updates to HC 3.2 with additional features the stock OS won't have. I've had SD card access since early in my Xoom's life thanks to these XDA developers and virtually all my gripes have been addressed. This is a great tablet once the OS is where it needs to be.

What other tablets look good?

I have not yet bought the xoom. But it is the leader in the group of four that I am looking at. I am not sure how I will use the tablet to be honest, so I want the one with the most features possible and the best apps. I am a software engineer, so I can "get it to work", but would prefer something nice out of the box.
Hardware wish list: GPS, Bluetooth, Wifi, 3G, HDMI, USB, SD card, good battery list, replaceable battery.
Software wish list: Napster, Netflix, great video player, good flash rendering, ease of data transfer.
Accessories wish list: nice integrated docking/keyboard if possible.
What do you think about any of these models
1) Motorola Xoom
2) Toshiba Thrive
3) Lenova thinkpad, ideapad
4) asus eee transformer

imo you make choice between:
xoom
samsung
ipad
you will not get everything,eg,ipad has best apps but no microsd and high cost.
xoom has microsd but not that much apps as ipad do have.

i hear great things about the Thrive. it would be my choice if i didnt own a xoom. The Iconia is pretty nice too.

If I didn't own the Xoom I'd own a Transformer. Assuming I didn't need the data. Hands on experience with both.

consider this in your comparison as it looks good
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1273078

If I were buying today, I'd checkout the Lenovo Thinkpad Android Tablet as it has a stylus for handwriting. They also make an Ideapad model which is more consumer oriented.

balaams_ass, what do you mean by
Assuming I didn't need the data.
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balaams_ass, what do you mean by ??
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it is with reference to internal storage and micro sd card slot

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it is with reference to internal storage and micro sd card slot
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I think it's in reference to the Xoom and the iPad both having Wireless Network Carrier support. Whereas I believe the Thrive and the Transformer are both Wifi only.

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If I were buying today, I'd checkout the Lenovo Thinkpad Android Tablet as it has a stylus for handwriting. They also make an Ideapad model which is more consumer oriented.
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reviews about their ideapad say it sucks as hell and very buggy, i guess there will be no difference with the thinkpad, i am glad i didn't get the ideapad

I would have to say if I wasn't that into Motorola, I would go with Samsung and their Galaxy Tab 10.1. It has a sleek design, is thin, light weight, and a good choice in my opinion. It has a weaker camera because of the redesign to make it slimmer and lighter than before, but still is a rockin' good Honeycomb tablet no doubt!

>What other tablets look good?
The ones coming next month, alongside ICS release.
Example: The Toshiba Excite (AT200), follow-up of Thrive, is thinnest tablet, with micro-USB/SD/HDMI.
If you need one now, then buy it now. Otherwise, it's close to the start of the next product cycle. Not good to buy old toys just as new toys are about to be released.

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data plan - most don't have 3G or 4G hardware; only WIFI

Sony for style. then it's just the xoom
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Sony for style. then it's just the xoom
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....my thoughts exactly

I had the Thrive. It was awful. Hardware failure within the first day.
Overall even when I had the chance to use it (for 45 minutes) It wasnt super responsive. I couldnt care less about the ports and the size was not natural for a tablet.
Im glad I went to the XOOM. Better build quality all around and it just feels like a solid tablet with solid features (and support in the future).
Galaxy was nice but no SD if I remember correctly. And no ports. Screen was nice but it actually looked a little too bright (if thats possible)
The IdeaPad I played with was supper buggy and laggy - and its build quality disappointed me for a Lenovo product - way too much flex. Flex is a concern for me considering what these machines are meant to do on a day to day basis.
All in all its best to just play with them. I went to best buy and went to town on all of the tablets. Good luck!

Iv had the thrive, advent vega and now the XOOM the wife owns an ipad 2. I hated the thrive the day I got it im big on the latest tech and always move with the times and the thrive was like a step backwards laggy and buggy as hell. The vega is awesome for the price and has honeycomb when rooted and all the ports you cood need however screen quality and looks ect are nothing compared to my XOOM its a top quality product. I tested a galaxy tab 10.1 that I got sent to review and would say that they have made a lot of sacrifices for the slimness. As for the wifes iPad2 its like Apple still own it when you buy it ahha
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I think the Sony Tablet S looks pretty good, and the unique style is growing on me a lot. Of all the reviews I've read of it they all say the shape gives it a better 'feel' in terms of just having it in your hands and carrying it around.
Second place? I don't care what anybody says, the Xoom is a sexy beast. It has the best screen ratio IMO and edge to screen proportion. No front buttons is awesome and kind of underrated. It looks somewhere between "tough and functional" and "sleek".
Happy spendings!

I had an Iconia tab, and if gps is important, avoid it, as it's only A-GPS. You have to be connected to wifi to get a lock, which wasn't working all that well for me. I picked up a Xoom and haven't looked back. One thing that impressed me was the build quality. The Xoom feels so well built its not even funny. I think that this thing could take a bullet, it feels that solid.
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Galaxy Note 10.1 vs. Asus Transformer Infinity

This has been discussed in other threads, but hopefully this will be a more rational discussion. Please, no fanboys or trolls. It seems to be an obvious comparison right now: Samsung Note 10.1 vs. The Asus Transformer Infinity.
I'm getting a new tablet soon, and was hoping for some helpful information. Along the way it'll be great if this thread helps others with their decision. I had a Samsung 8.9 LTE and loved it, but it was stolen. Just a bit slow though. If either the Note or the Infinity came in a 8.9" form factor I'd buy it immediately. My wife has an Ipad 3. Sorry, but I don't like it. Too much of a PITA to deal with. (Did I mention that I DETEST Itunes?) Great for her though. I will be using the tablet as a portable media center (movies, music and ebooks; I spend a great deal of time on the road.), web browsing, and using it profesionally to look at large, image heavy, PDF documents. Rendering speed and search speed of those documents is very important.
I have not seen a note 10.1 yet... I've read everything I could find on both though. I have played with the infinity and the Tab 2 10.1 at Best Buy. My impressions so far:
Build quality: It's a wash for me. I've seen a number of complaints about the Asus. However, the demo model at Best Buy seemed just fine. I guess I'm not too worried about it; if there's any problems with the Asus I could return it to Best Buy. And I would without hesitation. Same with the Samsung, but every Samsung product I've had has been fine. (With the exception of some BT problems on 2 early Skyrockets.)
Display: Another wash for me. OK, OK, the Infinity is full HD. That said, the display on the Tab 2 was just fine. I could see no pixelation. To be honest, the extra bright mode on the Asus impressed me more than the resolution. Also, I need to view large PDF images, and speed of render is very important. Though I didn't get a chance to view any large images on the Asus, I'm going to guess that it will render somewhat slower due to the resolution. And yes, an extra second matters in this case. maybe I'm wrong about the render time? The render time is the primary reason I want the Note over the Tab 2.
Performance: Advantage Note. See render time above under display.
The Stylus. Not sure about this one. I do need to take notes and draw occasionally. I'm wondering if after six months the pen would become something I couldn't live without? I wonder if there will be CAD programs come along that will take advantage of the stylus? It would be great if I could do 2D CAD work on the tablet and do the 3D stuff later at home...
Docking Keyboard: Advantage Asus. Seems very, very nice. Especially with the extra battery life. How well do BT keyboards work with the Samsung I wonder? On the other hand, I'm a slow typist. I could see myself becoming addicted to the stylus... Or, I might never use it. Only one way to find out I guess.
Speakers: Advantage Samsung. I listened to both. No contest here, the Sammy blows the Asus away. This also makes the Sammy the winner in movie watching for me.
Web Browsing: I'm not sure.
I would appreciate any insight or opinions anyone has to offer.
Thanks!!!

I think Acer also has FHD tab (iconia 700 or something). I guess that also deserves to fight here as it seems to be same-spec'd as Asus Infinity.

If the full hd does not TRUELY matter, I would say the note fits you better. Your need for a tablet seems more fitted towards entertainment, so keep in mind fhd is better for movies and reading. I've read a few issues on the infinity having issues or slow rendering with big PDFs (I forget which one and it could be fix by now). Again so if you can't really tell the difference between the two resolution, get the note. For entertainment, the note will give you stereo speakers (two speakers pointed towards you), Bluetooth with aptx codec (if the quality of streaming audio matters). The infinity has been out for awhile now so most, if not all its flaws are known and most of those flaws are not deal breakers. The note hasnt been mass release yet so it's still not a fair fight between the two. Wait til the note is officially release and see if there's any flaws in the tablet.
If the spen is really what you need then the note is for you. But with me fhd and the spen are equally weighted. it will really depends on how many flaws each tablet has that will lean me towards the other.
( even though the a700 is fhd at the same price the infinity is better all around)

I returned my Transformer Infinity and somehow ended up here looking for a new tablet. (Related thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1830473) Simply put, I'm never buying another Asus product again.
I'm really leaning towards buying a Galaxy Note as soon as possible. Unless I find some other tablets that look better or find some flaws on Galaxy Note, I will probably buy it. Looks like "Meet the new way" thing is going to happen soon in New York, and hopefully I will be able to buy them within a few days if not hours.

I own the TF700. I am actually considering the Note. Here is what I have been considering...
My TF700 is super fast after the last update. I have zero issues.
I have not had a chance to test out any blue tooth stuff yet, since I dont have any blue tooth headphones. Never owned any, and I really dont know if I will.
I am a HUUUUGE music guy. All my music is in Google's cloud using Google Play. This is why I chose Android over Apple, strictly cause of the way I can store music, along with how the interface looks. Music is my number 1, period.
with that said, i dont listen to music or any audio for that matter using the external speaker. No need for it. I know the note has those stereo speakers, but I dont know if I would ever use them. My stuff sounds great right now through cans, so I am not sure if I am going to hear a difference with the Note.
Display - HD vs whatever the display of the note is. Now, I dont THINK I would have an issue with going from HD to the display of the Note. If the Note display can look as good or better than my wife's Ipad2 that would be awesome.
Quality Control - I have light bleed at the bottom of my tab. this is a VERY common problem. I sent the first one back which had it, and now my second has it. Other than that, the tablet is perfect, really. I only see it during boot up. I thought who cares cause the thing is so fast, but I know it is there, so I am sure the Note will have more of a quality build.
Benchmarks - I dont know about this. From the videos posted here, the Note is getting the best benchmark, beating the TF700. But I personally feel that user experience is what should drive this. That said.....I still have in the back of my mind that the Note will be faster in stock, and be even faster with DEV roms But am I going to see it? But I still want it
Support - This is number 2 to my music. Asus puts out firmware like my wife buys shoes. We are also getting Jelly Bean very soon (confirmed, but no date). I have read that Samsung stinks at pushing firmware? can anyone comment on that? Also, has there been any word on when JB will be hitting the Note? With the Note having an issue with exfat on the SD cards, when will a fix be pushed? Those lack of updates scare me with Samsung.
Spen - I dont care. I guess I could use it for taking notes at work, but I was considering the transformer keyboard (maybe) for mine. Not a huge deal at all for me.
Dual screen thing - very cool, but the Overskreen app does that as well, so I dont really care for this feature either.
So my thinking is, I am actually very happy with my tablet, but I am one of those who dwell on the fact that I could return it (in my 30 day window with BB) and grab the note and could have that little bit more of performance, more quality control...but it is possible I could lose the firmware/jelly bean pushes (can someone speak to that?) and lose the HD.
I am still considering the Note. Hell, I might even keep my TF700 until the 30 day mark, and return it all together until I can see some real life stats of the Note. If I dont think it will suit my needs, I go back and get the Asus. Sounds dumb, but for 500 bucks, I am looking for perfection.
My usage is Music by far #1, Browsing #2, and maybe some games. That is what I am using it for at the moment. It is a luxury item for me right now.
If I find that real life stats on the Note just SMOKE the Asus, I may be getting it.
I know for sure I will get it if they push updates and it gets jelly bean soon, soon as in this year, not next.
I hope that makes sense, and I was trying to be objective and not be a fanboy
I am really considering the Note, but I need some real life stats before I make the change.
Good idea for a thread, because there ARE people out there like me, who are considering one or the other, or already own one and are thinking about switching.

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I think Acer also has FHD tab (iconia 700 or something). I guess that also deserves to fight here as it seems to be same-spec'd as Asus Infinity.
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The biggest asset for me is connectivity; i.e. full size USB, memory cards, HDMI, etc. This is where Samsung have not progressed and ACER and ASUS (with the dock) have. How much more would it cost the manufacturers to have an option to add more RAM?
Having said all that, the Note 10.1 is impressive and the unlocked tab costs SAR2,600 here in Saudi Arabia from various leading shops. ($1=SAR3.75)

was watching the live stream and the guy said jb will be out for the note by this year

Another big Plus is the usage as telephone in the 3G Version.
Since I have a dual card, its nice answering phone calls, while watching a movie.

This isn't meant as a put-down on Asus; they deliver great value. But that value comes at a price. Since the OG Transformer they've had design, QC, and performance issues. The latter due to using second-tier suppliers to keep costs down. Here are some examples.
HannStar Displays - All Asus tablet forums have threads on backlight bleeding, bad pixels, and other types of display defects that affect a larger than typical number of devices. There's also haptic feedback issues which could be the panel, digitizer, or both.
AzureWave Wi-Fi Radios - Premium manufacturers use Broadcom. AzureWave is why Asus doesn't support 5GHz Wi-Fi and most likely the source of BT interference that bogs down streaming when BT is connected.
Cheap NAND - All of Asus’ tablets suffer from IO issues.
Assembly Issues - Creaking, displays becoming separated, frames bending around the dock connector, and other issues that point to weak assembly tolerances, poor design, or some combination of both. This thread in the TF700 forum describes (by owners) some of the issues. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1815968. In addition, a tear-down of the Prime reinforces issues in the assembly process. http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/cr...ardown-solid-tablet-but-not-without-flaws/399
Service and Repair – Their outsourced repair facility in Texas is atrocious. All of the Asus forums are riddled with stories of devices damaged while being repaired, accusations of customer induced damage to avoid warranty costs, long turnaround times, and ineffective communication for status.
Warranty Void for Unlocking the Bootloader – And they don’t provide NVFlash support for people to be able to recover on their own.
Samsung outsells Asus (N7 excepted) three-to-one in tablets and we all know they are the dominant player in non-Apple smartphones. They also manufacture a great deal of their own components. Because of this their cost-of-goods is untouchable by other manufacturers. So for Asus to deliver more than Samsung when their component costs are higher means there had to be cuts made somewhere. What I listed above are just some of those cuts. If folks are happy with their Asus products and aren’t personally experiencing or concerned about the issues that riddle their forums that’s totally cool. Like I said, Asus tablets are a great value. And things like ports aren't a functional differentiator, all can be replicated via add-ons for the Note. It's a matter of adding the additional cost to the total price you're willing to pay. But different strokes for different folks.
Here are some things that, at least for me, made me buy the Note. Even without a 1080P display.
Performance - It feels in use exactly what the benchmarks portray.
Rock Solid Wireless – The Note has BT 4.0 and aptX. If none of you have listened to lossless audio over BT it’s incredible. I have it on my One X and it sounds better with high-end headphones than a physical connection. The Note also has a/b/g/n Wi-Fi support with channel bonding and Samsung’s always supported 5GHz. GPS also supports Glonass.
Durability – I’ve had a Samsung phone and two Samsung tablets (three counting the Note). From experience and watching activity on their forums there are fewer issues with build quality and longevity with Samsung products than any other. They may be “plasticky” but they stand up to tough treatment very well.
Specific Note Features – I won’t elaborate because they’re already being talked about.
- S-Pen
- Multi-view
- Overall performance
- Browser experience
- Wireless performance
- True stereo output with forward facing speakers
- Build quality and support
- TW mini-apps, Awake Stay, Pop up play, AllShare Cast, Buddy Photo
All of this is a big YMMV because everyone has different sensitivities and uses their devices differently. So agreement on which is better, the Note or TF700, will never happen. And for the love of God, those of you that are diehard Asus fans don't go on a tear about the commentary I've provided. Whether it's happening to you or not all of it is substantiated on the TF101, TF201, TF300, TF700, and N7 forums with threads over 10 pages long discussing each item I've outlined.

I need to see one and test one in real life before the 3rd to make my decision.
I am hoping BB gets them in stock.
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Barry...I am still waiting for those videos

All the full reviews are starting to be released now that the announcement’s been made. They were already written but embargoed. Since we've been talking about the display and agree how important it is, here's a comment from PCWorld. I've noticed the same thing because when I put my P7500 next to the Note, in spite of them both having the same resolution, the display on the Note is clearly superior.
"However, Samsung has clearly done something with this tablet to boost its display performance. The sharpness and color of images is dramatically better than the Galaxy Tab 2 10.1, and my high-resolution images in the Google Gallery had sharpness and detail that came close to what you'd find on the high-pixel density displays. (Another observation: Android tablets typically struggle with skin tones, but the Note 10.1 produced some of the most realistic skin tones I've seen.) Text clarity was better than than on the abysmal Galaxy Tab 2, but it couldn't hold a candle to what you'd get on any of the high-pixel density displays."
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2609...w_the_pen_sets_this_android_tablet_apart.html
P.S. – In the article they talk about an attachment issue with Gmail. If anyone has an issue with it the solution is to set Gmail up using push via ActiveSync in the stock e-mail client. I do that anyway because it’s better integrated with other stock apps and my other e-mail accounts.

qnfauf said:
I returned my Transformer Infinity and somehow ended up here looking for a new tablet. (Related thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1830473) Simply put, I'm never buying another Asus product again.
I'm really leaning towards buying a Galaxy Note as soon as possible. Unless I find some other tablets that look better or find some flaws on Galaxy Note, I will probably buy it. Looks like "Meet the new way" thing is going to happen soon in New York, and hopefully I will be able to buy them within a few days if not hours.
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I just noticed up my infinity to take it back tomorrow. By far the worst tablet experience I've ever had. Screen flicker, screen bleed, and the brightness even with auto brightness of constantly fluctuates. And the Asus seems very sluggish to me also. I've got a nexus 7 that runs as smooth as can be, but my int. htc one x with tegra 3 is very lagy also. Makes me wonder just how great tegra 3 chips really aren't?
I do love the keyboard dock though, would be nice if Samsung came out with something like it.
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The Huawei FHD may be worth considering also, it had great specs and a similar dock to the asus, I'm looking at these 3 tablets but I'm going to wait until the Huawei gets reviewed before I decide which one to buy
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The Huawei FHD may be worth considering also, it had great specs and a similar dock to the asus, I'm looking at these 3 tablets but I'm going to wait until the Huawei gets reviewed before I decide which one to buy
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When is the huawei mediapad coming out? And that thing only has a 6600mAh battery, with the high resolution screen, it won't be enough.

I am hoping best buy has them in Stock soon. I am taking this up there and comparing it have never used touch wiz.
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I am hoping best buy has them in Stock soon. I am taking this up there and comparing it have never used touch wiz.
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You probably won't be a fan. I'm not particularly. It does provide some decent additional features, integration, and short cuts but it's both bland and cartoonish at the same time. Bland in the way the different menus and editorial are presented and cartoonish based on the widgets and icons. I have a One X and HTC does a fantastic job with Sense. Both in the way it's presented and by giving it a more polished and contemporary feel. The widgets on the Note blow. For example the calendar widget is 4x6 and can't be resized. Same thing with the other S-Planner widgets which are 4x4 so you can't stack them vertically. I'm still pissed they left out Social Hub. It's not the world's greatest social solution but at least I got all my notifications in one place instead of having multiple odd looking widgets with each individual app cluttering the notification bar when something new comes in. The pop-up mini-apps have been around since the OG G-Tab but with the power of the Note they are actually usable now. You do get 50GB of Dropbox for two-years and it’s well-integrated with all the other apps and a lot of third party apps. That beats the 6GB from Asus with their proprietary cloud. If you end up getting a Note it won’t be because of TW.

Can you not install third party widgets like hd widgets,?
I will be looking at how chrome performs how smooth things open and close and how Google music works with touch wiz.
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I'm also considering the note 10.1 and returning my infinity, too many issues, returned my prime for the infinity, much better than the prime, but doesn't feel right, good luck
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I guess I'm not the only one struggling with this same decision. I almost bought a TF700t around a week ago until I started reading about all of the IO issues with the transformer line. The keyboard dock ability for the ASUS is something I would like to have but Samsung does have an official keyboard dock for the note that will be available also so it at least gives me an option for that. It may not have an extended battery and the extra full size ports but I think I can live with that.
Overall I am really seriously leaning towards the Note 10.1 for the following reasons.
1) Stock Performance - if its this good out of the box, Custom Roms will really fly.
2) 2GB Ram = future longevity & multitasking
3) Odin = easy to mod, fairly hard to brick. Asus could have this too with NVFlash but it sounds like they have done some work to make sure users cant use it.
4) Stereo front facing speakers - Yes headphones are better but it would be nice to have real speakers on the device. Having speakers facing away from the user is junk.
I still own a Galaxy S (Epic 4G) for my daily driver. I removed touchwiz from it long ago in favor of Cyanogenmod and haven't looked back. And while Samsung has been pretty bad on their software updates in the past, I do feel like they have been getting better with the newer devices, plus there's always the dev community to the rescue. Their hardware on the other hand, I have always thought was some of the best on the market.

lardo5150 said:
Can you not install third party widgets like hd widgets,?
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Sure, third party apps and widgets perform the way they always do.
I will be looking at how chrome performs how smooth things open and close and how Google music works with touch wiz.
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If you use Chrome you'll lose multi-view. Only certain stock apps work in multi-view. The stock browser's incredibly fast and Samsung's always done an excellent job with h/w browser acceleration. Between stock and Chrome I'd bet stock is faster.
iamchocho said:
Stock Performance - if its this good out of the box, Custom Roms will really fly...
...I removed touchwiz from it long ago in favor of Cyanogenmod and haven't looked back.
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The difference is all the Note's proprietary apps. Just like today, if you replace Sense or TW with a third party launcher none of HTC or Samsung's widgets work outside the overlay. If the devs tweak the stock ROM making sure to preserve all the stuff like the functionality of the S-Pen, multi-view, and the other imbedded stuff everyone should be fine. Putting an AOSP ROM on the Note will obliterate all the features you're buying it for. Unless you're really buying it just for the h/w platform. The Note is further away from stock Android than any other device on the market because of all the non-standard stuff Samsung's baked in.