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Finally Got My G1, Should I Root?

Well I finally got my G1 and dont have to use my Wing anymore. I got the unlimited G1 plan so im all set with that. Ive been lookin on the Development forums about rooting, and everything, but is it really worth it? There seems like theres alot I gotta do, and everything is getting updated fast, should I root my G1?

no, you should hack your Wing, now that you dont "need" it. Or go root, it just requires a little reading and some understanding of what you read. I am a noobenstein with android but I got it to work and have a few themes installed. The only thing you might not like is that OTA (over the air) updates wont work, so if they release cupcake wyou will prolly be waiting for it from here.

I have modded my Wing, but im going to get rid of it. That is my main concern with Rooting my G1, is the OTA updates

If you have no interest in themes or development theres no point in getting root and voiding the warranty. I would just play with the phone for a while and get used to it and then later decide whether here or not you want to root it.

you say you are concerned about OTA updates. What exactly are you concerned about?

rsfaze said:
you say you are concerned about OTA updates. What exactly are you concerned about?
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Good question, but what I will be concerned about will depend on what is updated ota, but im sure what I use on my rooted G1 will be bettr than what is updated ota.

Ya rooting is easy. As I remember you from the Herald forums. Also with a rooted phone you can install a Jesus Freak Modded version of OTA updates. Finally as said before when an OTA update comes out Tmo-GooG don't just drop it on every market they "roll it out" so chances are you can probably get it here and flashed well before your "market area" is pushing the updates on to the G1s

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...of OTA updates. Finally as said before when an OTA update comes out Tmo-GooG don't just drop it on every market they "roll it out" so chances are you can probably get it here and flashed well before your "market area" is pushing the updates on to the G1s
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Sounds like a big plus to me

I was undecided too - here's what swung it -
1 - Task Manager for root - this app in the market allows you to actually close apps that are running constantly in the background - it saves a LOT of battery and (to me it seems) makes the stuff you do run after a lot faster. Not to be confused with Power Manager, which can change display settings and stuff, but can't close any apps down.
2 - You can move the Market Cache (which grows like a mo fo) and the Browser Cache (Again with the growing) to your SD card quite easily using the terminal thingy. (Plus other Caches, but those are the two that made most difference for me )
I'm a total noob to Android and linux, but if you follow the clear instructions on here, it doesn't seem that hard and mostly is salvagable - Nothing too scary that can't be recovered from.
Daisy xxx

Current Benefits of Root
1. Multi-Touch Browser - Ipod like pinch/unpinch to zoom
2. Recovery from Bootloader (Think of it kind of like Windows F8 Safe mode)
3. Back-up from boot loader
4. Use of Task Manager (Root Only) - Shut Down Apps
5. Auto Rotate
6. Themes (Currently maybe 10-15 Themes, Check 'em out)
7. Cache to SD Card (Saves alot of Phone memory for application use)
8. Install to SD Card (Better than just cache-ing) Cons: little more tricky than cache-ing to SD Card, but not much, if you have gotten this far, then you can do it.
9. Install Debian (For true hacks that know how to use Linux)
10. Mod your Start up screens.
All of these things are just for starters. The Cupcake, IF and WHEN it comes out, will surely be hacked (Probably faster than you will get it over the air). All these things will likely be added or improved upon in future updates.
I definitely recommend thoroughly reading these forums, and then start small.
Good luck on your decision.

Ok, ive been convinced, looks like I will root my G1. But it seems like there are different ways to do it? What are the differences with these ways?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=442480
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=443797
http://www.webnetta.com/2009/01/02/t-mobile-g1-rc30-to-jfv13/
Also would I need to Hard SPL?

Ways to do it.
Basically all of the "ways" are the same. The differences are just whether your a Windows/Linux/Mac user.
You can Push stuff to your phone using USB. Its much like using the command line in DOS (C Prompt C:\). I prefer to just copy the files over and use the Astro Application (Available on Market). It lets you use the file system like Windows Explorer. You can copy and paste back and forth. The push sytem is a little safer to start in case you have any problems, but if you follow instructions exactly it shouldn't be a problem. There are even Video Tutorials and if you have any questions there is always someone here that can help.
As for HardSPL, yes you will end up with a SPL which is either Hard SPL RC30 ver. 1.41 Mod (Recommended version) , or Engineering MOD which is the version on the DEV phone, or the G1 Original SPL. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=455860
Basically its like this, you will revert back to the original RC29 Software version where the Root Loophole was before T-Mobile Closed it. Using Dreamng.ing you will then download Terminal Emulator from the Market. Type in Telnetd, you will then have Root. Then you will upgrade to JF ver. 1.41, No need to go through 1.31. Then you will be at the most recent Mod update.
From there you can just browse this website for all the tips and tricks associated with a rooted G1.
Hope this helps for starters.

Video for Moding.
http://androidcommunity.com/forums/f28/video-on-how-to-mod-jailbreak-get-root-from-g1-11598/

It sounds like you know what you're doing, but I'll offer my advice. Previous to the Android I'd flashed roms to a few WinMo devices. The first time is always the most nerve racking, but after that you see how easy it is and it's addictive.
Before I rooted and went to JF's 1.41 firmware I read all the modding threads that had instructions.. they're all pretty much the same thing, just said different ways. I wound up using the ones found here:
http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Quick_Root (skip to "Downgrade to RC29")
Just make sure you have everything downloaded beforehand.
The only snag I ran into was that I couldn't get from RC29 to JFv1.41 the first few times, I kept getting a error saying that a file wasn't found in the update.zip file. Once I installed HardSPL this went away and everything has been peachy since.
The main reasons why I wanted root was custom boot splash screens and the Root Task Manager. Enabling auto-rotation is cool, but I find it anoying sometimes when viewing the device when I'm laying on my bed (it constantly switching on me!)

Thanks for all the help everyone, I read that I had to upgrade to JF v1.31 before going to JF v1.41 otherwise I will need to wipe, what will wiping do? Im guessing delete everything?

AsaSpades said:
Thanks for all the help everyone, I read that I had to upgrade to JF v1.31 before going to JF v1.41 otherwise I will need to wipe, what will wiping do? Im guessing delete everything?
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Yes, it will get rid of your apps and data... however, there's an app in the market called MyBackup. The icon is a flotation ring. If you really don't want to re-install your apps you can use it to back everything up --- but really it's not THAT much of a hassle to install apps as you want to use them. I used it to back up my contacts, home screen icons, my bookmarks and my SMS messages.
A few things to remember about MyBackup:
If you restore your homescreen icons before you install the corresponding programs, you'll have a bunch of broken icons ... not earth shatter, but you'll be all "uhg, ****" afterwards.
Do not restore your google contacts using MyBackup. You will get duplicates on your phone that will then get passed on to your google account. If you do this (don't do this, trust me) do not remove the dupes using the phone -- remove them via google on the website itself. If you use the phone to do it you will no longer be able to sync contacts and you'll have to wipe all over again to fix it. It's much easier to just sycn your contacts to google anyway.

nolageek said:
Yes, it will get rid of your apps and data... however, there's an app in the market called MyBackup. The icon is a flotation ring. If you really don't want to re-install your apps you can use it to back everything up --- but really it's not THAT much of a hassle to install apps as you want to use them. I used it to back up my contacts, home screen icons, my bookmarks and my SMS messages.
A few things to remember about MyBackup:
If you restore your homescreen icons before you install the corresponding programs, you'll have a bunch of broken icons ... not earth shatter, but you'll be all "uhg, ****" afterwards.
Do not restore your google contacts using MyBackup. You will get duplicates on your phone that will then get passed on to your google account. If you do this (don't do this, trust me) do not remove the dupes using the phone -- remove them via google on the website itself. If you use the phone to do it you will no longer be able to sync contacts and you'll have to wipe all over again to fix it. It's much easier to just sycn your contacts to google anyway.
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Thank you, ill get to it now.

Can also use mybackup to backup system settings which is a time saver as well. Take your time on root steps and download everything before you get going. As far as root goes i wouldnt hesitate, you can always go back if needed.

Thanks every1, I have successfully rooted my G1, with no errors at all.

AsaSpades said:
Thanks every1, I have successfully rooted my G1, with no errors at all.
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Good deal man have fun!

[Q] Please help.

I'm a complete noob when it comes to ROMs / Apps / Themes, basically smart phones in general. Just got a Droid X for Christmas.
Thinking of using a ROM like Gummyjar2.5 or Rubix(don't know best version) because they seem to be very popular here. Anyone have any links for tutorials on installing either / both? And opinions to which would be better for a total noob? I want my phone to run faster / use less battery but still look pretty flashy.
As for themes, does anyone know where I can go to check out themes for the said two ROMs?
Thanks in advance for the help.

Roms are a mattet of how each person likes the feel of it for themselves. Right now, gummyjar 2.5, rubix 1.9.5, and liberty 1.0 are the usual choices. If you still want blur elements like you have it right now, then I suggest zapX bazinga, or apex.
All the roms run very well, but like I said, try out each. You will want to root the phone using z4root (google for it vers 1.3.0)
Then you will want to download droidx bootstrap. This will allow you to backup/restore your phone. It is also used to install the *.zip themes and ROMs.
As for themes, I recommend any of Bignadad's themes. He is the most thorough as far as complete images for framework and apps as well! Make sure that the theme you pick is compatible for any ROM you choose to use.
When I get back to a computer instead of my phone I can try and help out more =)
Ps... Look at the thread for each ROM/theme to see what you like and they will almost always include install instructions!
Hope this helps! Post back if you have more questions, I'm more than happy to help!
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Ok, to start with.. No worries, we all had a point where we knew nothing about this stuff!
Blur is an "interface add-on" that motorola has added to their phones. If you were to look at the Nexus One or Nexus S, these two phones both have a stock version of android without Motorola Blur or HTC Sense on them. Sense and Blur are modifications of system applications and the user interface... Some people really like these interfaces, but most people are against it in the Android forums because they are mostly wanting performance (which is usually degraded by Sense or Blur).
Most of the ROM's now strip out the blur components (yay for our devs!) and that is what GummyJar, Liberty, and Rubix do. If you want a ROM with blur components, I would suggest using Apex or ZapX Bazinga.
2. That z4root and backup thing you said to download. Do I do that with my phone and just launch them? Or?
I have attached the z4root and droid X bootstrap .apks. What you need to do is copy these to your phone's sdcard. Then go to Settings-->Applications--> Check the Unknown sources check box. While you're at it press on the development section as well. Then check the USB debugging box.
You can then install these using a File manager such as Astro (free on the market) by opening Astro File Manager, and then browsing to the .apk file on your sdcard.
To root your phone after installing z4root, launch the app from your applications list, and then click permanent root. It will take a while (potentially) and then your phone will reboot and be rooted.
After that, then go to Astro and browse for the bootstrap apk and install that. This is what allows you to backup/restore. After that app installs, you will be prompted for superuser rights, hit yes.
Then open Droid X bootstrapper. You will want to click the top option, as that hijacks the boot process. Then reboot recovery will allow you to go to the backup/restore mode.
Check out this link: droid X wiki. I have to go take care of some stuff, but will add another post with some stuff.
3. Where do I find the threads for the specific ROMs / Themes?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=687
Use this link. This is the general Droid X thread page. The general section is just mostly questions and "general" stuff for the Droid X. The themes sections has themes.. lol and the android development has the ROMs.
Just read through the different threads and post back if you have questions.

So what does rooting my phone do? I get what backup / restore is, but not that.
This z4 is taking forever. -_-

So I went to sleep while z4 did its magic and it wasn't running when I woke up. How would I know it x completed?
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EDIT: Also, when I installed bootstrap, it didn't ask me the question you said it would. Now it's showing an error when I want to do "Bootstrap Recovery". Tried uninstalling and reinstalling and that didn't work.

Sophrosyne said:
So I went to sleep while z4 did its magic and it wasn't running when I woke up. How would I know it x completed?
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EDIT: Also, when I installed bootstrap, it didn't ask me the question you said it would. Now it's showing an error when I want to do "Bootstrap Recovery". Tried uninstalling and reinstalling and that didn't work.
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Reboot your phone, re-run the Z4root program (phone will reboot) and after you should have a GREY Super User icon in your app drawer.
Hope this helps.

That worked, man. Thanks! So I have Bootstrap, z4 and ROM manager all ready. Now I just need to get a ROM and find one that has a slick THEME.
How do you like Liberty, Sys? I saw it was just something you put over the top of Gummyjar, which was probably the one I was going to go with if Bignadad (by the way, I don't know where to find his themes. =/) had a cool theme for it. Have you tried Rubix?
EDIT: I love Swype. Are these ROMs going to take it away from me? =P

I think many will agree that Liberty 1.0 seems to be the sweetest right about now..... try it out.

Got Liberty up successfully, but don't know how to retrieve my contacts.

hey i have one question, when z4 is done and you run bootstrap, the phone is empty of apps and contacts...and you have to do a backup from somewhere correct?

havensed said:
hey i have one question, when z4 is done and you run bootstrap, the phone is empty of apps and contacts...and you have to do a backup from somewhere correct?
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So you already have loaded liberty? Just trying to make sure I have my details straight. If you followed the install instructions and wiped data and cache then yes you will need to restore apps from titanium backup or whatever means you may have backed up your apps.
If you load a ROM such as liberty, then you will not want to use bootstrap to restore. Bootstrap completely backs up your entire phone state, not just your apps. Sorry if I misinterpretted any part of your message
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So I've loaded Liberty, but can't "Link" facebook contacts to their phone numbers. Is there some option I need to enable to do this? Or should I go back to vanilla? That's a convenience I don't really intend to do without.

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So I've loaded Liberty, but can't "Link" facebook contacts to their phone numbers. Is there some option I need to enable to do this? Or should I go back to vanilla? That's a convenience I don't really intend to do without.
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Is facebook installed on your phone? If not install it from the market and the initial setup should ask you if you want to set up facebook sync.
If facebook is installed to go phone settings->accounts and sync. Your facebook account should show up there and you can setup sync options.
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Yeah, I have no problem with having my Facebook contacts in my contacts list, but I used to be able to link them with their phone contact. Meaning if I had a person's phone number, I could link it with their Facebook profile so their phone number would display their facebook default pic and latest status. Now, when I try to edit facebook contacts and add a number to them, it says I can't do that with this device.

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Yeah, I have no problem with having my Facebook contacts in my contacts list, but I used to be able to link them with their phone contact. Meaning if I had a person's phone number, I could link it with their Facebook profile so their phone number would display their facebook default pic and latest status. Now, when I try to edit facebook contacts and add a number to them, it says I can't do that with this device.
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Hm... I haven't really messed around with this much, as I haven't had to add/edit contacts lately... All my contact info is backed up to my gmail account...
I will try and toy with this the next couple of days and get back to you.
If anyone else has info on this... Please chime in!

If I want to go back to vanilla to re-do it, back it up, and then come back to liberty, do I have to download the vanilla zip? Or is there any way to just revert?
Also, I need a cool theme. Reg Lib is too boring. ;]

Sophrosyne said:
If I want to go back to vanilla to re-do it, back it up, and then come back to liberty, do I have to download the vanilla zip? Or is there any way to just revert?
Also, I need a cool theme. Reg Lib is too boring. ;]
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Sorry, slightly confused by your post... But I think I may have what you mean.
If you want to go back to vanilla (original phone condition) then you will need to sbf if you didn't take a backup before installing Liberty. If you did take backup using Boostrap, then I would recommend just restoring your backup.
If you didn't create a backup before... create a backup now with liberty installed in case you need a place to come back to for reference. Nandroid backups are your friend...
I'm not quite sure what you mean by vanilla, so I may be way off here. Feel free to add in some more details please =)

Yeah I mean I want to go to the completely original phone setup. I did do a bootstrap save or whatever, but bootstrap isn't installed. If I reinstall does it still have my vanilla Droid saved?
Also, how would I go about switching back to it? Navigating those menus makes me nervous.... Haha.
I'd go into Bootstrapper -- > Reboot Recovery... then what?

Sophrosyne said:
Yeah I mean I want to go to the completely original phone setup. I did do a bootstrap save or whatever, but bootstrap isn't installed. If I reinstall does it still have my vanilla Droid saved?
Also, how would I go about switching back to it? Navigating those menus makes me nervous.... Haha.
I'd go into Bootstrapper -- > Reboot Recovery... then what?
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Okay... So if you have taken a backup before you did your install of Liberty (or any other ROM/Theme) then yes, it should still be saved on your SDcard actually. Bootstrapper creates a folder on your sdcard called "clockworkmod". Inside of that folder, there should be two more folders: backup and download. Inside of the backup folder, you should see a folder titled in a similar manner:
2010-09-10.04.03.48 (yyyy-mm-dd-hh.mm.IDK what the rest is.. LOL)
But regardless, this is what you should see. If you re-install the bootstrap program, then when you go reboot recover--> backup and restore--> restore, you should see this folder/option. You will use the volume up and down buttons to move the cursor up and down. Pressing the camera button (red) will select the highlighted option. You can use the back arrow key or power button to go up a level in the menus.
If this doesn't work, you can always SBF the phone (this takes the phone back to the complete original condition out of the box). It is slightly scary to do the first time (at least for me it was...), but I have probably done it at least 10 times now.
Let me know if the bootstrap backup works. Take note that you will lose any apps/texts on your phone that you now have unless you use an app like titanium backup to backup your apps, and an SMS backup app to save your text messages. The bootstrap backup takes you back to the exact condition the phone was in when you took the backup.
Lemme know if this works out for you! Good luck!

Some Questions Before I Root

I've considered rooting and installing a custom ROM dozens of times ever since I got my Droid X back in August and I've finally decided I'm just going to do it, but i just want to double check a few things before I root my phone and install Fission:
1. I know that rooting voids your warranty, but if I have problems with my phone and I end up needing repairs, can I just unroot my phone back to stock and still have my phone be covered under the warranty?
2. Will my phone be secure rooted with a custom ROM? I don't want people having access to my personal info contact data, and my passwords.
3. If I Overclock to say 1.2 or 1.3 Ghz with ULV, will I have stability problems with demanding 3D games or other demanding apps?
4. After I root and install my Custom Rom, will I need to reactivate my phone or need to re-add my phone contacts/apps?
5. Will Z4Root work on system version 2.3.340?

I have unrooted and exchanged under warranty with no problems. Your phone will be just as secure. 1.2-1.3 are very stable on my phone. If you do have to reactivate it's as easy as dialing *228 and following the prompts. If your contacts are "google" contacts they'll return to your phonebook. Your apps from the market shall return without a problem. And yes, z4root will work with your system version.
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I am having difficulty rooting my droid x. I am an android noob, but am a pretty savvy user. I used z4 (permanant) and it says it has been rooted when i launch the app. However i see no appreciable difference in access. My terminal still shows a $ prompt and i cannot uninstall verizons crapware. I used rage against the cage prior to z4 with similar results, but i was able to at least get temporary su access and install the bootstrap recovery and perform a system level backup. It reverted to user access after rebooting. Please help.

Superuser confirmation
alright, if you want super user privileges in terminal type "su", then once you hit enter, you get "#" instead of "$" To test if you have root access, first check app drawer for "Superuser" if its there, open an app that requires it, (wifi teather, root explorer, rom manager to name a few) you should get a pop up similar to this
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...=1&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:8,s:0&biw=888&bih=638
that would be a diffinitive confirmation that you have superuser permissions.
The way I remove verizons crap once rooted, is to use root explorer, go to system/app and find the .apk files you want to remove. There are lists around the forums what is safe to remove. I highly recommend simply renaming the files. For example, the 3g hotspot app is called mynet.apk, so I would just rename it to mynet.bak, or mynet.apk.bak, really anything that lets you know what it is, but removes the .apk extension.

Ok, I have confirmed su access, but am unable to rename any of the offending .apk's. I am simply told that the operation was unsuccessful. I have tried a couple of different file managers, as well as trying from a terminal, still no luck. I like 2.2.1 alright, but if i can't control what apps are running on my phone with root access, I may want another ROM. Any suggestions are appreciated, aswell as any links to a rom installer that is pc-less.

I usually rename apk's from Root Explorer, just prefer the graphical interface, so I can't really help you on the terminal process.
Rom manager is "pc-less" although most roms are posted in forums first it is often the easiest route, also lets you make backups and restore. There are a few posts around on how to install a rom you might want to read first. Also, you should find the thread for the rom before you flash it, in favor of size and speed, some developers go down to bare minimum and may remove something you need/want.
I have not used it, but I hear Titanium Backup allows you to "Freeze" apps, so that is a possible route also.
2.2.1 is not exclusive to people running official vzw builds, many of the roms on the forum (and rom manager) are running 2.2.1, so you will not be taking a step back to an earlier release.

SharkBaitDave said:
I usually rename apk's from Root Explorer, just prefer the graphical interface, so I can't really help you on the terminal process.
Rom manager is "pc-less" although most roms are posted in forums first it is often the easiest route, also lets you make backups and restore. There are a few posts around on how to install a rom you might want to read first. Also, you should find the thread for the rom before you flash it, in favor of size and speed, some developers go down to bare minimum and may remove something you need/want.
I have not used it, but I hear Titanium Backup allows you to "Freeze" apps, so that is a possible route also.
2.2.1 is not exclusive to people running official vzw builds, many of the roms on the forum (and rom manager) are running 2.2.1, so you will not be taking a step back to an earlier release.
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If you are trying to rename apps in the /system/app portion of the OS, you will need to mount /system as RW first.
from terminal: mount -o rw,remount /dev/block/mtdblock4 /system
After it has been mounted read-write, you should be able to rename...
to remount as read-only: mount -o ro,remount /dev/block/mtdblock4 /system

zwade01 said:
I have unrooted and exchanged under warranty with no problems. Your phone will be just as secure. 1.2-1.3 are very stable on my phone. If you do have to reactivate it's as easy as dialing *228 and following the prompts. If your contacts are "google" contacts they'll return to your phonebook. Your apps from the market shall return without a problem. And yes, z4root will work with your system version.
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Thank you for your response. Just out of curiosity, did you (or anyone else for that matter) have to reactivate your phone after rooting and installing a custom ROM? I'd rather not have to re-activate my phone every time I want to update a ROM or change to a different ROM.

Thank all of you for the great info. Here's what I've learned after a day of rooting and romming: titanium freezes apps only in the paid version, z4 was the most user friendly app for rooting noobs, milestone overclock works well if you have the patience to lock up your phone several times finding the right settings, and I'm digging apeX 1.3.1. Thx to everyone for your help, i will definately be checking here frequently. One last question: where might i find a side by side comparo of roms with things like features and memory footprint, etc.? Or am I asking for too much. Im not scared of the search button, but i will defer to the more experienced of you. Thanks again.

galaga4991 said:
Thank you for your response. Just out of curiosity, did you (or anyone else for that matter) have to reactivate your phone after rooting and installing a custom ROM? I'd rather not have to re-activate my phone every time I want to update a ROM or change to a different ROM.
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I used rom manager to load apeX 1.3.1 and did not need to #228. I did not clear the user data or cache, but I do not know if that affected my results or not. Your mileage may vary.

stpvapor said:
Thank all of you for the great info. Here's what I've learned after a day of rooting and romming: titanium freezes apps only in the paid version, z4 was the most user friendly app for rooting noobs, milestone overclock works well if you have the patience to lock up your phone several times finding the right settings, and I'm digging apeX 1.3.1. Thx to everyone for your help, i will definately be checking here frequently. One last question: where might i find a side by side comparo of roms with things like features and memory footprint, etc.? Or am I asking for too much. Im not scared of the search button, but i will defer to the more experienced of you. Thanks again.
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I don't know that anyone has really done a side by side per say. Since you say you are apeX, then if you are looking for more ROM's that contain blur features, then I would recommend looking into ZapX Bazinga, or Fusion (from the same creator as Fission, but just with blur). I have not worked with any of the Blur ROM's so far...
If you are looking for ROM's that do not have blur, then the big ones are Liberty, Fission 2.5.7, GummyJar 2.5, and Rubix Focused 1.9.5. Liberty is the big one right now, because it just came out and combines the great talents of Kejar31 and Jrummy. Most others I believe are using Fission. All are great choices, as the dev's do some AMAZING work.
Each has their owns unique feel...so I woudl recommend just digging through each thread for their respective ROM's as they usually include what components are built into each ROM on the original post of each thread.
Hope this helps somewhat =)

another ROM to try is DarkSlide. It comes in both flavors, Blurred & Blurless. It's fast, stable & well supported. You only have to re-activate if you wind up bricking your phone & have to flash an SBF. My advice it to spend the $$ on DroidXBootstrapper (available in the market) to make a nandroid backup prior to flashing your new ROM. This way you have a base to go back to in the event you run into problems, or want to try multiple ROMS. One other suggestion is to rename each backup into something that will let you know what the backup actually is, like StockROMBU or the like.

[Q] what are the advantages and disadvantages of rooting and are there any risks?

Could somebody please tell me what the advantages and disadvantages of rooting the flipside are, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, are there any risks??
Will I be able to take of all of these ATT apps?
Will I be able to move my apps from the phones memory to the SD card?
Can the phone be unrooted?
Will all of my apps still work?
What is the best route to root? I have the z4root.
I am much indebted to anyone who will answer these questions. Thanks.

z4root will work fine, it's nice an easy to use. Rooting won't give you an easy way to move apps to the sd card, but you can remove the AT&T (and other system) apps. You can either do it by hand, or with any number of apps on the market. I prefer titanium backup, personally. All of your existing apps will work, there's no change there.
The only real disadvantage is that you'll have the power to screw up your phone. You can potentially screw up bad enough that you'll need to reflash the stock .sbf file. Generally, this takes some real screwing around, but just thought I'd point it out.

Thank u for your thourough answer. What do you mean by screw it up. How could I do that and how do i avoid it. Are you saying by virtue of the fact that i'm rooting that i'll screw it up, or it's something that i may do afterwards that may do it? Thanks.
also, are there any other advantages to rooting other than taking off the apps?

The act of rooting itself shouldn't screw anything up, but having root means you could possibly do something later that would. Generally, you'd have to be messing with stuff you have no business messing with. With root, you can remount the system directory as read/write, and then end up deleting or modifying a file that won't let the phone boot, which means you'd need to reflash. Stay away from the command line if you don't know what you're doing, and don't grant root access to apps you don't trust, and you're reasonably safe.
Other than removing system apps, like the AT&T garbage, you can also backup and restore apps and their data, which is great for if you need to reflash, if you switch phones, etc. There's not a TON of stuff that requires root, but honestly, removing the AT&T junk is definitely a good reason to root, the phone feels much faster after scrapping a lot of the blur and AT&T stuff.

I'm assuming then that any android/att/Motorola updates will not be problem either? BTW, do you if and when Motorola will bupdating the flipside to 2.2? Thanks.

There shouldn't be any problem updating with an official update if/when we get one, but you'll need to re-root and remove the AT&T stuff again. There's no word on when we'll get 2.2, but I'd assume we'll get it at some point.

Ok. I just rooted! Yeah, it worked! But i cannot figue out how to delete the att bloatware. I go into the apps manager and click on one of the att apps, and there is still no option to uninstall; only to clear the cache. Also, I downloaded the titanium and I cannot figure out how to do it from there either. Plus, I still had to sideload the titanium which i tbought that i would not have to do once i rooted.

mordechai said:
Plus, I still had to sideload the titanium which i tbought that i would not have to do once i rooted.
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You need to enable Unknown Sources before you can install non-Market apps
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=867637
This is also an example of how you can mess up your phone by having root access.

That is part of the problem that i do not have that option in two.one. that is why i had to sideload all of those programs. are you saying that i screwed up my phone. i tried clicking on the link but this googlw ad comes up and i cant get past it.

Ok, i got through to the link. But the guy seems pretty shaky as to whether you should follow his instructions. Is this legit or what?

Maybe one of you guys can help. I'm new to alot of this but my last droid x was rooted and it was great I used z4root worked perfectly. But now I have a new X and a z4root apk. On my laptop, now what? Last rooted X, I was fortunate enough to catch z4root on the market, like a day before they updated. HELP!!!!!
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There are instructions in another post in this forum on how to enable Non-Market Apps, also known as Unknown Sources. With Titanium Backup, make sure that you grant it root permissions when it asks, and that it says something like this on the overview:
Root access: OK (BusyBox 1.17.2 from system)
HyperShell (FAST!): YES
Fast/Auto app install: Yes (using HyperShell)
SQLite: YES (SQLite 3.7.2 included)
Then just click on Backup/Restore at the top, and you'll get a list of all your apps. If you don't have backup/restore at the top, your sd card isn't mounted on the phone, unplug your usb cable and hit Menu > More > Reload application.
From Backup/Restore, you get a huge list of all the apps on your phone. Just scroll down to the AT&T stuff, tap them, and click uninstall in the top-right corner. If you're not sure if you want to uninstall something, because it might belong to something important, click Freeze instead. Freezing will stop the app from running, and stop it from showing up in your tray, but you can easily unfreeze it to restore it if it turns out it was important.
Here's the list of stuff I have frozen/uninstalled:
AdService 1.0
all of the "AT&T" apps
all of the "com.motorola" apps
Data Manager and Data Manager Service
Help Center
Home (I use ADWLauncher, don't remove this if you don't already have an alternative launcher installed)
MediaSync
Mobile Video
all of the "MotoBlur" apps
My Uploads
Phone Portal
Quick Contact
Social Messaging, Social Messaging Service, Social Networking, and Social Status
Sticky Note
Video Editor Lite
Vlingo Voice
Weather 2.1
WHERE
Work Contacts
Mobile Banking
Magic Smoke Wallpapers
Kodak Perfect Touch
AT&T Address Book
Quickoffice
YPmobile
As for enabling unknown sources, it's a bit of a pain, you'll need to be comfortable with a command line to do replace the files, and comfortable with a hex editor if you want to edit your own instead of reusing someone else's files. I managed to screw up my phone in the process and had to completely reflash and start over, it wasn't fun.
His instructions do work, but his .sh file doesn't work, you'll need to paste the commands one by one into your command prompt. I preferred to edit my own files, so I wouldn't have the same market ID, and that's just slightly more complex. I can help you through it either way though, just make a post over in that thread if you're having problems.
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Maybe one of you guys can help. I'm new to alot of this but my last droid x was rooted and it was great I used z4root worked perfectly. But now I have a new X and a z4root apk. On my laptop, now what? Last rooted X, I was fortunate enough to catch z4root on the market, like a day before they updated. HELP!!!!!
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You just need to get z4root installed on your phone, it should be pretty straightforward. The Droid X shouldn't be blocking non-market apps, so just download it from your phone and run the .apk to install.

So do I hook my phone up to my laptop, and put the apk. on my sd?
Or download the apk. directly to my phone from the site?
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I found the link, but the directions are too complicated for my novice understanding of technology. It looks like I am stuck. I don't want to try what he's saying and take any chances. Are there any other alternatives? Or do you have any other suggestions as to how to make the most of the space that I do have with the att bloatware, because I am constantly running out of room. It is a strange phenomenon that I don't understand, that when I turn on the phone it will have around 40mb to play with, and after a few hours it is down to 16 and then 10, and then before I know it, the phone is telling me that my memory is full. So then I reset and it's back to ~40 again. Do you have an explanation? Thanks.

[Q] New Droid user

Hi guys.
I'm totally new to Android OS but finding it pretty amiable so far. Got a Flipout that's rooted and installed the CEE firmware after getting pissed off with MotoBlur. I know my way around the phone pretty well. Installed the Wireless Tether app too which, I was amazed to discover, works beautifully. After using WM6.5 for so long I'm used to stuff not working for no good reason so that was a bit refreshing.
What I'm hoping someone might be able to point me in the right direction for is...
1 - I'm rooted. Now what? What else can I do and why would I?
2 - My battery life sucks. Any apps I should be using to optimise this?
3 - I have SetCPU but tbh don't really know how to use it. Should I even bother?
A bit about my usage that might be relevant - I use Twitter and FB apps pretty frequently (update interval 30 mins+), have 3 email accounts (1 push 2 pull 30 mins interval). Hope this helps.
Cheers!

Essential Apps for new Droid User...
Hello Kaladan .
I too am new to the world of droids (well read regarding symbian hacks/mods). I am also a very quick learner. In the short time I have owned my Flipout (UK), I have learned that there are a few apps that are essential installations for rooted users.
1: "Titanium Backup" (paid if possible)...essential for nand backup (rom)..system backup, App installation & a whole host of other needed routines.
2: "BusyBox" standalone installation or install from within "Titanium Backup"
3: latest "Clockwork" recovery tools (search on here for more info on this).
4: Setcpu..? (no kernal modded for overclocking is available yet for the flipout so this fact alone makes installation of Setcpu questionable unless you want to underclock to save battery?).
5: Root Explorer..(very usefull for locating those elusive system files that we sometimes need to edit).
6: RSDlite..Stable, reliable & essential for full firmware rom flashing.
7: UniversalAndroot..(for future rooting projects)(renowned for stability & user friendliness).
I would consider all the above Apps to be essential as most of what you are gonna want to do on or with your Flipout will require the phone to be rooted & at least 1 or more of the listed Apps to be installed.
There is a whole world of Droid Apps at your disposal (Market & other sources) once your rooted & set up but we'll leave the fun of discovering some of them to you.
Hope this post has been of some help to you...
Stay Breezy & Be Lucky...
Peace...

Thanks dude, this is helpful.
I've managed to, er, procure Titanium Backup but it says I'm not rooted; havent' had time to mess on with it but I'll have a fiddle with it today. I actually used UniversalAndroot to root in the first place though.
Root Explorer and RSDlite I've got already too.
BusyBox seems to be a bit more complicated than I'd expected though, I'd seen some instructions somewhere about terminal emulators and Linux commands. I don't know much about that but I suppose I've gotta start somewhere
Edit: Nevermind, I figured it out. TiBackup works and BB installed
Thanks again matey.