Trigger 3.2 vs CM7 - Vibrant General

What are some of the differences? I use Trigger 3.2 and it works well for me (but KB5 Modem doesnt so im on KB1 which drains battery more but gives me better signal indoors in NYC)
Ive never tried CyanogenMod... anyone prefer one over the other?

I'm also on Trigger, and what has kept me from even trying CM7 is the lack of GPS, which as I understand it stems from the lack of Gingerbread for our phones. I imagine this board will explode once Gingerbread gets leaked, so maybe I'll try CM7 when I see that happen.

i like cm7, but i always go back to trigger. cm7 is good, but the only thing i don't like is the 3d on some gameloft games are skippy. specially for fps like nova 2. im gonna try the new version 17 and see what happens.
edit: ok so i went back to cm7 and i don't think im going to change back. runs smooth and 3d problems go away after playing for a bit. only real issue besides gps is that sometimes you have to mute/unmute phone for people to hear you clearly

I came over to cm7 from trigger 3.2 and I love it. minus the gps, which i rarely used anyways, I love the customization of cm7. also, it just looks so much shinier.. the wallpapers, the themes, everything is just so beautiful.

Thanks for the feedback!
Alex - I too hardly use GPS so maybe I shall give it a try too.

I loved Trigger 3.2, especially with the Bullet kernel. I moved over to CM7 though and have no plans to go back. It's not just a Trigger vs CM argument, but a Froyo vs Gingerbread argument. The generic email app in Froyo on Vibrants is broken, this isn't just a Trigger problem, but a problem with all Froyo ROMs for the Vibrant. In Gingerbread it is buttery smooth. I also like how streamlined CM7 is. Applying a theme for CM7 is easier than on any ROM I have tried before. I also get better Linpack and Quadrant scores using the base kernel for CM7 then I have for any base kernel in Froyo. And like a previous post mentioned, CM7 is extremely customizable. If there is a feature they added that I don't like, it's very easy to turn off that feature. Another nice feature to CM7 is that once you have flash CM7 on your phone, it's very easy to update. I found updating any Froyo ROM to be time consuming since I had to make sure that I had backed up my files in TB and then once I updated my Froyo ROM I would have to restore my TB backup. With CM7 you only need to restore your TB backup after the first flash. Every update after that only updates the specific files they have changed in CM7, so I don't need to go through the restore process each time.
Trigger 3.2 with the Bullet kernel is still faster, more stable (although not by much, CM7 is really stable now), has GPS and a better battery life. Even with all of that, Trigger is a ROM that has reached the end of it's development. CM7 is still in the beginning stages for the Vibrant and continues to grow.
Either way you really can't go wrong since both are fantastic ROMs and it all really comes down to which you prefer. The biggest warning I will give you is if you decide to try out CM7 make sure you know how to Odin you phone, because you will have to perform an Odin on your device if you want to go back to Trigger.

When they fix the mute/unmute bug on CM7 it will be the best ROM, even without GPS.

Mannymal said:
When they fix the mute/unmute bug on CM7 it will be the best ROM, even without GPS.
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they've already fixed that... try new #17, mine's worked since 16 though.

it depends on how you use your phone, imho i like both im currently on cm7 in trigger i like the speed stability battery life functions and all of that stuff and in cm7 i like the update process since its easy, the new functions and so much more

droidfan77 said:
I loved Trigger 3.2, especially with the Bullet kernel. I moved over to CM7 though and have no plans to go back. It's not just a Trigger vs CM argument, but a Froyo vs Gingerbread argument. The generic email app in Froyo on Vibrants is broken, this isn't just a Trigger problem, but a problem with all Froyo ROMs for the Vibrant. In Gingerbread it is buttery smooth. I also like how streamlined CM7 is. Applying a theme for CM7 is easier than on any ROM I have tried before. I also get better Linpack and Quadrant scores using the base kernel for CM7 then I have for any base kernel in Froyo. And like a previous post mentioned, CM7 is extremely customizable. If there is a feature they added that I don't like, it's very easy to turn off that feature. Another nice feature to CM7 is that once you have flash CM7 on your phone, it's very easy to update. I found updating any Froyo ROM to be time consuming since I had to make sure that I had backed up my files in TB and then once I updated my Froyo ROM I would have to restore my TB backup. With CM7 you only need to restore your TB backup after the first flash. Every update after that only updates the specific files they have changed in CM7, so I don't need to go through the restore process each time.
Trigger 3.2 with the Bullet kernel is still faster, more stable (although not by much, CM7 is really stable now), has GPS and a better battery life. Even with all of that, Trigger is a ROM that has reached the end of it's development. CM7 is still in the beginning stages for the Vibrant and continues to grow.
Either way you really can't go wrong since both are fantastic ROMs and it all really comes down to which you prefer. The biggest warning I will give you is if you decide to try out CM7 make sure you know how to Odin you phone, because you will have to perform an Odin on your device if you want to go back to Trigger.
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Thank you for your thorough review. I will surely try CM7

I need some assistance. Im trying to flash CM7. The directions state to flash ClockworkMod Recovery from ROM Manager Premium. When I do, an option for Vibrant MTD isnt listed...how do I get it to give me that option?

as long as u have rom manager premium all u have to do is click on flash clockwork recovery it will be at very top of rom manager page. Then it will ask u wht type of phone u pick vibrantmtd for cm7 and then u pick 3x NOT 2x. Then after thats done go to download rom and pick cm7 nightlies

Hey movieaddict... I did upgrade to Rom Premium but unfortunately VibrantMTD isnt an option.. Perhaps my Trigger 3.2 bootloader isnt a Froyo bootloader? (If the ROM installed its own)
Update: This is one of the EDT reps wrote on their facebook page: Trigger does not contain one. I believe you can find one in one of the older ODIN packages posted.
So I guess I need to ODIN to stock in order to have a Froyo bootloader? Which is odd because I have ODIN'd to stock in the past...
Anyone have any recommendations?

I got it.. I had to reinstall Rom Manager which is totally a newer version then the one I had on my phone

What is the diff between CWR 2.x and 3.x? The thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1061889 indicates you should choose 2.x, which is what I have done.
Thanks.

ive always chosen 3x on cm7 and on 2.2 roms i choose 2x and i havent had one problem yet with cm7!

I had problems with CM7 to where I had to reflash the nightly, well dayly for it to continue to work. It would keep FC everything. It would not remain stable. I stopped updating when #11 hit since my voice calls wouldn't work. I suppose that issue is fixed by now though. That was my experience with CM7 and I don't suppose I will go back until 2.3 is released.

What I don't understand is all the problems people are having with cm7 nightlies? Its pretty straightforward! I prefer cm7 over trigger
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i like CM7 more

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i like CM7 more
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I agree. I had a lot of FCs with Trigger. Now, I have to say though, I did a ODIN back to stock before flashing CM7. I didnt do this when flashing Trigger though. Trigger worked fine for a week then started FCs on everything.

Related

Which ROM have YOU flashed?

Sup everyone.
Just curious to whats going on in the EVO community, as far as who flashed which ROM, and why. Maybe even provide a link to the ROM, or the dev site! That always helps too. So lets start with mine::
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1) Which custom ROM are you using? (or Stock?)
- Currently running Fresh 0.2 Custom ROM. Loving the speed and nearly bugless experience. Custom navi-bar is a nice feature, but currently running LauncherPro on top of it.
2) Why are you using it?
- Considering its my first real ROM experience, Fresh seems to be the more popular of the bunch. Sticking with it until something else awesome comes out, or maybe this one can just get better. ^_^
3) Pros / Cons?
- PROS - Fast, reliable, nearly no errors, at all. Trust-worthy name in the ROM society. Removes unwanted Apps and bettery life seems pretty fair. Can only get better.
- CONS - Seem to be having trouble changing wallpapers. (getting FC?)
1.32.651.6 rooted I just wanted root and I like the Sprint and HTC programs
Damaged 3.0
Its fast, stable and everything works.
Once the asop like builds and or froyi get mms receive / camera working I'll probably move to one of those.
1. Bugless Pete 3.0
2. like the stock experience (first android phone), didnt want something with GUI hacks
3. Pros: incredibly fast, no ads, everything works
Cons: Need a second flash to get rid of Sprint Apps
BuglessBeast
Using it for the battery life improvements and built in task killer
Fast, stable and excellent battery life.
No problems yet, but I havent done anything tasking with it.
Stock rooted 1.32.651.6 that Flipz provided. Took out all the stuff I didn't want, and put ADW Launcher on it. It's basically perfect now. I've been wanting to flash some other stuff but I haven't seen anything to sway me from this setup yet.
I've done about 4 of the
OMJ ROM's are stable, everything works, Sprint Apps are excluded. Advantages (since I'm new to Android) are different programs he puts in his ROMs. This is the one I use when I need my phone usable.
I tried the EVOlution ROMs. Froyo is definitely quicker and cooler. I can't wait until we can get it. There are too many things that unstable or unusable about it. I mean, I got kids so I NEED my camera at any given moment.
I flashed one that I didn't know what the difference was. That was really just a test for ROM Manager, which makes the process 100% easy. Just a few clicks and your done.
My next one which just finished DLing is DamageControl 3.0. He advertised well. Sposed to be quick stable and battery saving. All benefits to me.
I also use Titanium Backup so I can restore my customizations. Saves a bunch of time as well. Be careful though cuz a customization on one ROM could mean a bootloop on another.
I use OMJ's Vanilla "eclair" rom with all the sprint and htc crap removed. it's glorious!
Fresh 0.2 for me. Just because I liked his stuff on the hero.
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Fresh 0.2. Flipz always did me right with my hero. Tried out the Evolution Froyo rom just to see how Froyo ran on the Evo. Definately nice. Can't wait to have a fully working rom. Tried OMJ for a while. Will probably stick with Fresh rom. He makes a pretty stable rom and always has some tricks up his sleeves for the next build.
I'm running RvU 1.3.2. I then used Buggless bloatware removal, installed Overclock..
I did it because of battery drain.. Before, I was getting about 8-12 hours of use + sleep (3g). Now, I'm pushing 35-40 with use and sleep (these results are when using wifi only, I'm still experimenting with 3g).
DamageControl v3 but switched to EVOlution V7 last night and it's running great.
Stuck switching between FroYo and DC.
I would love to have everything working, but it's just so hard with how sexy FroYo is
Flipz "Fresh Evo 0.2" ... and i upgraded to .3 using ROM Manager.
Running Baked Snack .7 . Stupid fast and I love his customization to the battery icon, notifications and the notification bar. Plus the battery life has been improved as well.
EVOlution v7...If I need a camera ill just load my saved 2.1 in a couple minutes and roll..
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only tried fresh although I think it has a memory leak because my available memory keeps on going down the longer I keep my phone booted. Could be wrong.
Hero's Hero said:
Stuck switching between FroYo and DC.
I would love to have everything working, but it's just so hard with how sexy FroYo is
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Same, cant pull myself way from Avalaunch's ROM, Froyo is too nice....
Right now I'm running DamageControl v3.0, I really wanna tryp flipz fresh .3 but I can't for the life of me figure out how to get into adb on my comp, I've been googling and going through posts here for a few hours now to no avail
Have flashed:
EVOlution: Amazing, but no cameras
Damaged 3.0/.1/.1.1: Nice, and a lot of innovative features, but was too buggy.
Currently running:
Bugless: It doesn't try to do anything fancy, and because of that, everything works great and its fast and sleek.

CM6 or Fresh 3?

I'm on Fresh 1.0.1 right now, and have Sense turned off (I do miss the wigets ). I see that Fresh 3 requires a wipe, which I really don't want to do anymore than I have to. Therefore, I was thinking about making the switch to CM6.
Since I don't use Sense, should I make the switch?
Thanks for your imput XDA.
cm6 is asop so no sense..just think of all the things sense offers aside from the launcher..if u can go with out then why not try cm6
Agreed...do a nandroid backup and then flash CM. If you don't like it...restore back. I like CM6, I'm just waitn on 4g to work... then ill go
Nandroid, try it. If you don't like it go back and do Fresh.
I just went through all the sense roms and there is no comparison to the speed and flow of ASOP.
I'll try Damage control 3.5 when that comes out of beta. Thus far Cyogen has been the best for me.
Waiting for a proper kernel until I give Fresh and Damage Control another go. Until then I'm loving CM6 RC1.
currently on the latest fresh and its just fine. Waiting on CM6
Thanks. I think I'll made the move to CM6 tonight. Where do I get the nightly build at, or is the RC1 the best bet right now? I already did an appbrain sync and nandroid backup.
http://buildbot.teamdouche.net/nightly/supersonic/
That's a link to the latest nightly, the most recent one is smooth as butter if you do a full wipe. You may want to go check out the nightly thread for the Google apps update zip, because I'm not sure they're included (like the market and maps and such).
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What's ASOP?
CM6 is very lean and fast, super responsive, crispy, sexy, minimalist .... my all around favorite.
Recently I have been giving sense another chance. I tried the stock rooted 2.2 ... didn't like it. Now I'm trying BakedSnack with theme, and I really like it! I don't really like sense all that much though, especially the dialer. I like everything to be simple. AOSP is much simpler and cleaner IMO than Sense.
thanks. I'll download it and load it up, since either way I go, I'm looking at a wipe, sadly. New nightlys don't req a wipe, do they?
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The latest nightlies do not require a wipe. FYI you can follow the commit process here to see what changes between nightlies:
http://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_device_htc_supersonic/commits/froyo
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CyanogenMod, FTW! OP, you don't actually have Sense turned off (only the laucnher disabled). Flash CM6 and discover the glory of AOSP.
I have been using and upgrading nightly to CM6 nightlies for the past week or more, however yesterday I tried Fresh 3 with netarchy's kernel to unlock fps. Anyway, I am not crazy about Sense launcher, so I switched over to Launcher Pro. I have to say that my phone feels much snappier/smoother with Fresh 3. I am also getting more fps than with cm6. My latest test using fps2 was 55. Quadrant scores 1255 with no oc and linpack is right at 40 give or take 1-2. I am quite happy with those numbers and I like having 4g and the Sense camera. By the way, the latest wimax/radio update REALLY woke up 4g. My speeds went from 1-2mbps to 5-7.
Just started checking out CM6, was holding off due to the lack of 4G but I'm already glad I did. Still have yet to put the battery levels through its paces without making massive changes but I've already decided this is where I ned to be. 4G can wait for me.
Definitely worth a look.
Honestly, 4G is nothing but a huge battery hog. I could only see it being useful if you were tethering and connected via USB or AC adapter.
I have a NAND backup of CM6 but I'm currently running Fresh 3.1 with an FPS unlock kernal. I miss AOSP's look and feel but I'm enjoying having the nicer camera app and working 4G right now.
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Honestly, 4G is nothing but a huge battery hog. I could only see it being useful if you were tethering and connected via USB or AC adapter.
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4G is indeed a battery hog but I can't live without it . In my room I get little to no Wifi coverage (Router so far away) and normally talk on the phone quite a lot. Without 4G, I wouldn't be able to talk and use data at the same time.
As far as the OP's question, I have tried all the ROMs (including CM6) and it is indeed IMO the best one available. I am not using it at the moment because of the lack of 4G and HDMI (I use it nearly everyday). The moment CM6 gets those 2, I will be back in a heart beat!
I flashed CM for under an hour and then went to Fresh. I like some others will probably give it a go once the 4G is fixed. Then again I am a huge Sense fan and love the widgets that go with it. That beiing said, what do those of you that favor CM or something besides Sense use? I want a clock with the weather and the weather animation on the full screen. Is this only apart of Sense?
So to answer the OP's question IMO I'll stick with Fresh for a while longer although I tend to try them all out as often as they are updated.
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Honestly, 4G is nothing but a huge battery hog. I could only see it being useful if you were tethering and connected via USB or AC adapter.
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True, but I do use it enough that I was avoiding CM6 because it didn't have it. But I'm willing to give it up for a while. Can always go back, but at the same time I don't think I'll really be missing it. HDMI on the other hand I don't use, so that's not a biggie.

Please help me choose a ROM.

Well, it's been 3 weeks since I bricked my phone. Mine was 1 of those that had no recovery mode so I had to send it in to get repaired. As I live abroad, the turn around time was a very LONG 3 weeks. Anyway, browsing the development section I see a lot of the devs have gone into over drive. There are SO MANY Rom's to choose from that frankly, I'm a bit overwhelmed at which to choose.
Bionix Final
Bionix Fusion 1.1
Froyo JPA Macnut
Froyo JPO Axura
AOSPish 1.4
MasterRom Final
Then there are all the kernels as well as the zmod4 mod. I mean wtf! lol!!
I was running Bionix 1.7 with Voodoo and it was unbelievably smooth and fast. Now I just don't even know where to start.
In your opinions , what combo would be the fastest, most stable, smoothest and closest one of all of those to Bionix 1.7 OC w/voodoo?
Wow, this is such a loaded question since the answer is always going to be one of opinion. But, since I have one of those, I'll throw in my $0.02 worth.
My phone was also bricked by the OTA. However, I was able to use ODIN to flash back to stock. Knowing I could do this gave me the confidence to try the Bionix 1.x versions (pre Final). When Fusion came out, I went to it and am very happy that I did. In my opinion, it is what Samsung should have release in the first place. (Samsung should really consider engaging this team - or other developers who are spending a lot of time tweaking the ROMs - as consultants on their future releases). So, to answer your question:
* They (both flavors of Bionix) are very stable
* Doesn't require a lag fix.
So, I'm pretty happy. The main difference (as I understand it) between Bionix Final and Fusion is whether you have all of the Samsung stuff included. Fusion doesn't include Touchwiz. I'm a Launcher Pro person, so Fusion is a better choice for me.
Now, regarding the Froyo builds. Depends on what you want to do with your phone. I view those builds as "bleeding edge." So, I want them to be around a little longer before I go that route. But that's just me.
Good luck.
It all depends on your personal preference.
If you are afraid to brick your new replacement and wait another 3 weeks I'd suggest going with Bionix Final stock kernel option, if you feel adventurous go with Bionix Fusion with non-stock kernel. I would, personally, wait for a stable Froyo ROM, current ROM's lack GPS drivers due to unavailability of the source from Samsung, but as soon as an official leak shows up or OTA roll out, I am pretty sure there will be a stable Froyo builds to choose from.
In my opinion, you cannot go wrong with Fusion JAC kernel, it smooths the phone to a degree I don't even see what stock OTA Froyo could bring to the table except Adobe Flash support. My understanding in the delays associated with Froyo release is the JIT (just in time compiler) hasn't been optimized for Hummingbird CPU, and Samsung is working on the optimization.
I recommend Bionix Fusion 1.1 with Project Core kernal 1Ghz. Its very stable, very fast and smooth and good battery life. There is also a Project Core 1.2 Ghz kernel but that one ran my cpu kinda hot with continuous use and I flashed down to the 1Ghz kernel. Not to mention Team Whiskey has put a lot of effort into making this rom as usable as possible. Far as that goes, every rom development team on here has lol. Thats my recommendation though.
That's not even a reasonable list of options. All froyo ROMS are not stable. And for anyone who thinks these froyo ROMs are sUpEr cOoL aWeSoMe, stable means everything works, and everything does not work currently on any froyo ROMs. So first thing you'd have to decide is if you want a ROM with all the features, personally, I don't get why people settle for Froyo minus the GPS. JIT isn't even functioning, so what are you really getting out of froyo at the time being? Just to say you have it? There really aren't any life changing factors comparing froyo vibrant roms to bionix 1.1.
I myself have a new vibrant, and am running a rooted JI6 OTA, just rooted for adfree and tether mainly, along with the OCLF just for ****s n giggles. The OCLF really only seems to speed up certain small things, like cache cleaning/app uninstalls/etc. Ive ran every 2.1 ROM on a vibrant and there's really no significant changes in speed, same linpack, same quadrant (even though it means nothing). My suggestion is bionix 1.1 if you really wanna try something new, but it won't change your life, just satisfy your need for change.
Bionix Fusion 1.1 w/ project core v1 @ 1.2 if your phone can handle it. I have flashed just about every rom that has been released including the froyo roms and to me, this is by far the best rom / kernel combo.
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That's not even a reasonable list of options. All froyo ROMS are not stable. And for anyone who thinks these froyo ROMs are sUpEr cOoL aWeSoMe, stable means everything works, and everything does not work currently on any froyo ROMs. So first thing you'd have to decide is if you want a ROM with all the features, personally, I don't get why people settle for Froyo minus the GPS. JIT isn't even functioning, so what are you really getting out of froyo at the time being? Just to say you have it? There really aren't any life changing factors comparing froyo vibrant roms to bionix 1.1.
I myself have a new vibrant, and am running a rooted JI6 OTA, just rooted for adfree and tether mainly, along with the OCLF just for ****s n giggles. The OCLF really only seems to speed up certain small things, like cache cleaning/app uninstalls/etc. Ive ran every 2.1 ROM on a vibrant and there's really no significant changes in speed, same linpack, same quadrant (even though it means nothing). My suggestion is bionix 1.1 if you really wanna try something new, but it won't change your life, just satisfy your need for change.
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JIT in the newer Froyo builds is working.. what are you talking about? Everything works with the exception of GPS. The only issue that you may encounter is GPS and battery life complaints (results may vary) and the occasional data drop problem.
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That's not even a reasonable list of options. All froyo ROMS are not stable. And for anyone who thinks these froyo ROMs are sUpEr cOoL aWeSoMe, stable means everything works, and everything does not work currently on any froyo ROMs. So first thing you'd have to decide is if you want a ROM with all the features, personally, I don't get why people settle for Froyo minus the GPS. JIT isn't even functioning, so what are you really getting out of froyo at the time being? Just to say you have it? There really aren't any life changing factors comparing froyo vibrant roms to bionix 1.1.
I myself have a new vibrant, and am running a rooted JI6 OTA, just rooted for adfree and tether mainly, along with the OCLF just for ****s n giggles. The OCLF really only seems to speed up certain small things, like cache cleaning/app uninstalls/etc. Ive ran every 2.1 ROM on a vibrant and there's really no significant changes in speed, same linpack, same quadrant (even though it means nothing). My suggestion is bionix 1.1 if you really wanna try something new, but it won't change your life, just satisfy your need for change.
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Acutally flash one of those ROM's before saying things don't work or they aren't stable..
They are stable, JIT DOES work, etc.
I've had great performance with Bionix Fusion using the Core v1 kernal (over clocked to 1.2). I threw the OCLF on top of it, but everything already ran great without it.
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Acutally flash one of those ROM's before saying things don't work or they aren't stable..
They are stable, JIT DOES work, etc.
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Things aren't wrong with stable ROMs. It's a port. A port is a port. Fact is when official froyo made for our MODEL of galaxy s, these froyo sources will be dropped. The 2.1 roms for us are built on a stable base built for our phones. They're just facts. Not discrediting any work done. If my friend asked a recommendation, I certainly wouldn't recommend an experimental ROM with dysfunctional features, and that's what this thread is about.
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JIT in the newer Froyo builds is working.. what are you talking about? Everything works with the exception of GPS. The only issue that you may encounter is GPS and battery life complaints (results may vary) and the occasional data drop problem.
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Not efficiently. And yeah so your advice is a ROM with no GPS and data difficulties on a more than capable device? Dude, what are YOU talking about?
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I've been running bionix fusion with project core v1 @1.2 and it's pretty good, however I had a random reboot so I might go down to the 1ghz, we'll see.
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Things aren't wrong with stable ROMs. It's a port. A port is a port. Fact is when official froyo made for our MODEL of galaxy s, these froyo sources will be dropped. The 2.1 roms for us are built on a stable base built for our phones. They're just facts. Not discrediting any work done. If my friend asked a recommendation, I certainly wouldn't recommend an experimental ROM with dysfunctional features, and that's what this thread is about.
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I have to agree/disagree with you. Even though 2.2 ROMs are ports, they are still very very good. And if you can live w/o the GPS.. Well, go with one of them
If you can't live w/o a GPS, then go with Master Rom or Bionix Fusion
Fusion with the Core kernel is awesome for me. 1.2GHz without increased voltage is nice. This is my first android device and I really like Launcher Pro.
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joe.kerwin said:
That's not even a reasonable list of options. All froyo ROMS are not stable. And for anyone who thinks these froyo ROMs are sUpEr cOoL aWeSoMe, stable means everything works, and everything does not work currently on any froyo ROMs.
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You seem to have a very different definition of the word "stable" compared to most people. IMO, "stable" means not rebooting or force closing randomly. What you describe is "not fully featured."
I myself have a new vibrant, and am running a rooted JI6 OTA, just rooted for adfree and tether mainly, along with the OCLF just for ****s n giggles. The OCLF really only seems to speed up certain small things, like cache cleaning/app uninstalls/etc. Ive ran every 2.1 ROM on a vibrant and there's really no significant changes in speed, same linpack, same quadrant (even though it means nothing).
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Nutty. Fusion 1.1 w/ Core1zMod? Way faster than JI6 stock. Try placing a widget or calling up any app.
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You seem to have a very different definition of the word "stable" compared to most people. IMO, "stable" means not rebooting or force closing randomly. What you describe is "not fully featured."
Nutty. Fusion 1.1 w/ Core1zMod? Way faster than JI6 stock. Try placing a widget or calling up any app.
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I've used it, it's pointless to argue. We're talking about milliseconds here. If you reopen and close a random app 10x. Each of our setups would hesitate on a few of them. I'm satisfied with speed on this thing. I'm more focused on new features. And your opinion is wrong, the gps and apparently data is not stable at all or at all times. Gps would be a component of the rom, which in turn makes the rom experimental. Its just made well enough to use daily.
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Gentlemen, thanks for all of the replies. It's very much appreciated.
I am going to switch between a Froyo version and Bionix Fusion. I have absolutely no use for GPS where I'm located, never even used it once. So I'm going to give Froyo a try to see what it's like. Then in all honesty, unless it's unbelievable... I see myself going to Bionix Fusion as it's the most recommended here.
No matter which I eventually end up with, I think I'll be keeping it at 1Ghz. No OC for me until I run some serious tests. My OCing experience with computers tells me that OCing a unit without any additional cooling and having it sealed in a casing that must be close to as warm as hell, is a seriously bad idea. Even without extra juice, I can only see more harm coming from that than any actual real world benefits. But I'll know for sure after I see what the temp variations are like. (Anyone care to share their experience with that?)
Again, thank you all for the suggestions.
Why is there no love for AOSPish 1.4? Lol I really love that rom with JACS oc/uv kernel. Its an awesome rom if u want to go for a more stock android look. Either way u cant really go wrong with any of these roms. Developers are bustin their butts to constantly improve them. I think u should just try a few out and see what works best for u! Good luck
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Hmmmmmmm Roms
Like most of the people who already posted I think people are getting way myopic about what is better yadida..........
My experience has been the one thing that never really gets resolved 100% is the GPS, and that is not that important to me
The Froyo's
The Axura's
The Bionix's
Eugenes Roms
Master's roms
All of the above are fantastic in their own right. The Better question is "what do i really need and want" then look at the roms and "back engineer" you needs and wants to the rom that most matches that criteria. What i see is this over active need to have the fastest most newest rom.... ok.......... so, that is like having a Massaretti in commuter traffic... you cannot utilize the power.... so look to your needs and wants and find a balanced rom thatfits that
oka1 said:
Like most of the people who already posted I think people are getting way myopic about what is better yadida..........
My experience has been the one thing that never really gets resolved 100% is the GPS, and that is not that important to me
The Froyo's
The Axura's
The Bionix's
Eugenes Roms
Master's roms
All of the above are fantastic in their own right. The Better question is "what do i really need and want" then look at the roms and "back engineer" you needs and wants to the rom that most matches that criteria. What i see is this over active need to have the fastest most newest rom.... ok.......... so, that is like having a Massaretti in commuter traffic... you cannot utilize the power.... so look to your needs and wants and find a balanced rom thatfits that
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Very well said and great analogy. Don't forget there are tons of people who want a Ferrari or Lambo just for the wow factor while in traffic. Most custom roms give you that wow compared to stock.

ROMs... bugs... where to go from here?

Is there any true bugless/very minimally bugged ROM out there? Tried CM6, CM6, Evervolv, and some others. I'm talking something that can be fully fixed if there are bugs in it, or is there a ROM that will basically be a stock evo with the sprint garbage removed from it, i was wondering maybe I could stick a savagedzen kernel on it and get some better speed from it as well with bettery battery life. I know there is a fresh evo but I don't think that this ROM gets rid of the junkware sprint puts on? Since quadrant scores and the like are mostly useless I'm beginning to even wonder, are you "truly" getting any more speed out of a custom ROM over stock without getting bugs?
Right now I'm on CM7, everything is wonderful, of course except for the bugs. The random 3g -> 1x for no reason, making the internet not even usable. The random mini-lockups/terrible lag that I can get, etc are all just too annoying to deal with when they pop up. It's irritating when I go to my friends and say "here check this out, this thing has more battery life and as fast a he-...oh well actually my internet on it is bugging out right now and the lockscreen I have to really quick reboot for etc etc." What's the point of speed if these sort of things happen, you know? All of the flashiness of gingerbread is starting to urk me with all the bugs it brings, I haven't tried a froyo mod except for myns, I don't remember what kind of bugs I had in that, if any. What's the best way to go from here? Maybe give CM6 a try again and put SZen kernel on it?(I only ever tried it with stock) Thanks for any opinions/sorry for the mini text wall.
Newsflash: CM7 is buggy, and has always been buggy, hence the ever updated releases.
If you want a ROM that's as close to 100% stable as you can find, try the bigger Sense ROM's....
Are there any very stable AOSP ROMs? Especially gingerbread? Or do these only truly become stable when the real releases are out for the phones? Because If that's not the case, why not just run stock, you know? What's the real benefit? The only reason I rooted in the very beginning was to get rid of the junk Sprint has attached in the beginning. I don't mind sense. However ever since I've rooted I've been on a speed/battery hunt thinking I could get something majorly different. Is it even worth it? What is CM6 like with savagedzen for instance? Because that's what I'm thinking of trying next. Or are all AOSP going to have pretty hefty bugs with them one way or another due to the nature of them?
So far the new ports of the Shift roms are solid as a rock. Misfits for stock. Kings for some ultra themed ones and Zone23 for blue.
Give them a try you won't regret disappointed.
Try Misfits Speedy Port. Pretty stable with Sense 2.1. I'm making a rom based on that one that is stripped down, but not allowed to post dev forums yet
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Try Misfits Speedy Port. Pretty stable with Sense 2.1. I'm making a rom based on that one that is stripped down, but not allowed to post dev forums yet
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What are you gaining over a stock evo, though. Compared to this?
Years ago the phones were slow and bloated. You could install custom ROMs and actually notice an increase in speed.
With the phones coming out now they are already fast and if you root to look for a speed increase you might not notice much. You will notice all the bloatware gone though.
For a stable ROM I would look for a 2.2 Calk ROM or ones like that. They may not have been updated in awhile but that's because there isn't much to add or change. Everything works.
What about myns?
A drop of Chuck Norris's semen was placed on Android OS. We now have CyanogenMod.
See I don't understand why the call them "release [clients?]", and then release a "full version", even when the full version is still buggy with devices. I stayed away from CM7 for that exact reason until they finally got the full version up. Once I stuck it on i was enjoying it so much but the bugs are just too annoying to deal with anymore. Can't even show off with it because of them popping up at the dumbest times and then it's like yeah so much for that awesome phone hack. I might go try myn's again or CM6, not sure. I just want the stock apps gone, and I want a stable environment. Speed is nice too. Being unique is nice, when it doesn't have huge drawbacks.
Crossrocker said:
What about myns?
A drop of Chuck Norris's semen was placed on Android OS. We now have CyanogenMod.
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The more and more I think about it I don't remember having too many issues with myn's, so I may try that out again. Not sure. Is there any way to get that gingerbread lock off/on animation? That is something I'm really after, along with the gingerbread keyboard too.
On the sense side, I've found Koni's elite series III to be flawless...I'm currently running ava's ginger sense and haven't had any real issues with it either... can't go wrong with either of those.. just my two cents..
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No smart phone to date is bug free. Cm7 stable is best in my opinion and that 3g/1x bug you speak of isn't a bug but cm7 actually giving you the accurate data speed in the area you are in.
What recovery are u using amon 2.3 wipes fix most issue.when flashing like crazy I haven't had any issues with the roms . Sense or cm7 work fine. Try Elite 3 , Kings out of this world. Um to many to list. Always do a full wipe when flashing new roms.
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No smart phone to date is bug free. Cm7 stable is best in my opinion and that 3g/1x bug you speak of isn't a bug but cm7 actually giving you the accurate data speed in the area you are in.
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I know there isn't a "bug free" ROM or phone. But in terms of crippling bugs, CM7 at the moment for me is horrifying when I'm trying to show it to others especially.
As for the 3g/1x bug it is very real, and it's the worst. I get 1x for no reason inside my house and outside on occasion, it will then switch back to 3g if I restart the phone, or wait [sometimes an absurdly long time] until it fixes itself. I've not had that issue with any other ROMs, stock evo, gingerbread ROMs, or anything of the like. I've reflashed completely fresh with and without the GPS fix, with savagedzen and stock - no difference. Maybe it's just my phone, regardless though, there are so many people asking for help on different areas of CM7 it makes me not want to bother because it is not a truly stable rom for Evo for a lot of people. The battery charger bug I can deal with, mine lags to high hell when it's on the charger - that's something I can fix within an instant and not have it bother me. As for the 3g/1x, the random app mini freezes, the lockscreen not wanting to come on sometimes unless I hold down the button much longer until I restart, and other things of the sort, i cannot. It's not worth the flashy menus, and really the battery life is nothing near a froyo ROM, not even close. (I don't expect it to be).
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What recovery are u using amon 2.3 wipes fix most issue.when flashing like crazy I haven't had any issues with the roms . Sense or cm7 work fine. Try Elite 3 , Kings out of this world. Um to many to list. Always do a full wipe when flashing new roms.
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I use amon 2.3 as well, and I always full wipe after storing a backup on my comp (complete full wipe)
I played with my friend's stock unrooted evo yesterday and no joke, the thing randomly rebooted in my hands while doing nothing special at all.
With that said, any rom here is more stable than stock, but try SavageMod 1.2.1, most stable 2.3.3 I've tried.
I have to endorse Koni's. I ran it for over a month, until I flashed Giger today to pay with 'til Koni releases v.IV
It's not overly themed, perfectly smooth and everything I needed to work did fine, and not one FC the entire time I ran it.
The setup in my sig is how I had it set up. The only difference now, of course, is the ROM
I like sinister for stability, its V4 now and I can't think of a single issue with it.
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The more and more I think about it I don't remember having too many issues with myn's, so I may try that out again. Not sure. Is there any way to get that gingerbread lock off/on animation? That is something I'm really after, along with the gingerbread keyboard too.
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I always like ava's ROMs for fast and stable - Z4 isn't quite their yet, but give Z3 a shot.
No GB on/off animation mod as of yet, but you can add the GB keyboard to any ROM. There a quite a few diff ones from the themes and apps forum.
Gotta jump in here for some input...
If you just strictly want Sense, I was always a Myn Warm Two Point Two guy.
If you can't live without the screen off animation, Deck's Gingerbread is by far the way to go. Yes, it is built from CM7 to an extent but Deck really does a great job taking care of problems. There is a stable 1.0 and beta 1.2(x). Everyone likes CM7 because its popular and known, but honestly after using CM7 for awhile and then jumping to Deck's rom I will never look back.
If you want to remove the bloat from a stock sprint rom don't forget that you can always just do it by removing the apk's from your system with root explorer or through ADB.
How to through ADB:
--adb remount
--adb shell
-- cd /system/app
--ls
-- Once all the apps show up, you just type: rm <insert the apk name here.apk>
--reboot your phone and BAMMMMM!

Nexus S 4g, are Roms worth the trouble?

Have a boss and a coworker who just picked up the Nexus S 4g...
Currently I've got an Epic that's got a real nice fast stable ROM on it, so I didn't opt for the upgrade to the nexus, thinking I'd grab a dual core phone when one came out.
To the question: Boss and coworker are tech ppl, do you think it's worth it to upgrade them to different roms? Cyanogen would be what I went with. However, the whole reason this was required on the Epic was because of the awful job sprint and samsung did with it. With this being a pure google phone it seems to be nice and fast right out of the box. I noticed the GPS is a bit weak, I guess that's normal for samsung crap?
Anyway, what do you think? Keep in mind they aren't going to be happy if their phone breaks on a friday/sat/sun/worknight/vacation because I put a ROM on it.
Would you do it? Or just Root them and leave it stock?
I'd just leave their phone stock. It's your boss / co-worker, rooting your phone requires maintenance. The current CM7 stable is running Android 2.3.3, the nightlies are on 2.3.4. 2.3.4 is far more faster. Nightlies are stable, but a few bugs need to be tweaked out.
Besides, I wouldn't do it on my bosses' phone. Anything goes "wrong," its your fault.
I would try openSoju its fast and incredibly stable. Not a huge improvement from stock though.
so there isnt a huge upgrade from stock? what are the differences?
Like I said I know on the epic, it was speed, gps actually worked, etc.
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so there isnt a huge upgrade from stock? what are the differences?
Like I said I know on the epic, it was speed, gps actually worked, etc.
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+ Extra Speed (Yeah NS is fast.. but even faster when you mod it)
+ Custom Kernel (This is the huge one)
... Voodoo Color
... Voodoo Sound
... and more (visit a kernel thread for its full features)
+ Notification bar widget (your pull down.. those buttons, they're customizable)
+ Music Control on lock screen
+ Lock screen mods
basically everything. go do your own homework on these ROMs. everything is right there. I don't want to just paraphrase what is already said. Just go to the dev forum and look for yourself.
I personally wouldn't mess with their phones because its their phones. They should decide for themselves.
Rooting and flashing ROMs requires maintenance. If you don't flash a newer version a bug can mess with your phone from causing it to be a day to day thing. What if a new OTA comes? You'd have to update their phone (or themselves if they even know how to).
Basically, if you root their phone. Their phone's responsibility is built upon you. If you want that burden then you can root it and do that, but I personally don't want that. Up to you.
I would root their phones, just to do it ;D
I would also leave it stock, other than netarchy kernel. Thats the setup that I always go back to, very solid, fast as hell at 1.2ghz, and no maintenance or issues to worry about. The NS4G is very fast out of box, but I still notice a few hang ups opening and closing certain apps with the stock kernel. The netarchy kernel makes that stuff almost non-existent. Plus, if you say they are tech people, they will like the options being rooted adds to it. Just my thoughts...
yes I already rooted them for them.
I was just wondering if it's worth a custom rom/kernal.
Maybe I'll throw a kernal on the bosses phone... he'd notice the difference
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I'd just leave their phone stock. It's your boss / co-worker, rooting your phone requires maintenance. The current CM7 stable is running Android 2.3.3, the nightlies are on 2.3.4. 2.3.4 is far more faster. Nightlies are stable, but a few bugs need to be tweaked out.
Besides, I wouldn't do it on my bosses' phone. Anything goes "wrong," its your fault.
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FYI, there is no CM7 stable for the NS4G. The nightlies use 2.3.4, which is all the NS4G ever had.
Well if you're already rooted, you're already committed to maintenance when it comes to new software releases.
Install a new kernel on there and add BLN Control. That's really all you need to do.
Flash mikyinids deodex rom you'll get the netarchy kernel and the option to theme or add on things like the quick panel yet keep the is stock.
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Two options in my mind:
1. Keep it stock but rooted and flash a custom kernel for voodoo +BLN.
2. Flash MIUI.
MIUI is a little buggy, has no WiMax, requires maintenance and constant flashing so I'd stick with #1.
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I'd do flash a kernel and install setcpu and adfree. I've tried every ROM out there and always go back to stock. I have yet to try a ROM that works 100%. This google ROM just works.
This phone isn't like others, we don't have bloatware that needs to be removed.
On CM7 nightly 17 w/ netarchy kernel and running UV voltages and everything has been super stable for me. I use my phone for work.. lots of voice, email and texting and never had a crash or anything. The only weirdness is with voodoo color when I unlock the phone. Another weird thing is the lag when I use the dialer with a BT headset. other than that everything works great.
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I'd do flash a kernel and install setcpu and adfree. I've tried every ROM out there and always go back to stock. I have yet to try a ROM that works 100%. This google ROM just works.
This phone isn't like others, we don't have bloatware that needs to be removed.
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I fully concur.

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