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October 31st, 2011
The current and future state of CyanogenMod Nightlies
Happy thing to hear, but i want to give a suggestion to cm team, but dont know where to put it, if any body know it, then pls forward it to them, or help me to post it in right place,
It is;
Insted of putting nightlies on same device, frequently, cm builds should add an app through which newly realised patches and modes should be integrated into the rom from the device itself( just like windows updates or software updates) or some thing like update zip etc..
The advantages are..
1) avoid heavy size downloads of frequently updated nightlies
2) easy updates
3) every user/ device is stays updated
4) avoid errors and bugs more easily.
5) save a large amount of data space in server ( where all these nightlies are uploaded)
The 1ly thing should be cared is to ensure that the device gets updates in a constant manner, ie user should not install update no.2 unless he put update no.1 in the device.
Dont you seem it is nice?
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showlyshah said:
3) every user/ device is stays updated
4) avoid errors and bugs more easily.
Dont you seem it is nice?
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That is a two sided knife.
Regarding point 3, if an update brings trouble, it will bring trouble for everyone. Meaning a hell of a lot of user getting their phones messed-up. The way it is now, only those who want nightlys might bump their heads into problems. Those who don`t have the time to wait for fixes stay on stable.
4) and encounter bugs and errors more easily. Imagine a problematic update that makes you incapable of answering a call. because the nature of the update, everyone gets the bug. Imagine the amount of **** that will get thrown in the direction of the CM team.
The current way is, IMO the best way.
If I misunderstood you, please tell me.
Alex_GP said:
That is a two sided knife.
Regarding point 3, if an update brings trouble, it will bring trouble for everyone. Meaning a hell of a lot of user getting their phones messed-up. The way it is now, only those who want nightlys might bump their heads into problems. Those who don`t have the time to wait for fixes stay on stable.
4) and encounter bugs and errors more easily. Imagine a problematic update that makes you incapable of answering a call. because the nature of the update, everyone gets the bug. Imagine the amount of **** that will get thrown in the direction of the CM team.
The current way is, IMO the best way.
If I misunderstood you, please tell me.
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You said it, but its not as right as you think. The reason is the answ you may give for my following question " how frequently do you update your Linux / windows / Mac? ? Do you keep an automatic update or a manual update? And in case you are a frequent updater, can you say every 1 is like you?"
Dude i just mention to add an app, from which you can update your cm, and not necessarly it is an automatic one, it should be a manual one, just like cwm updates are notified by rommanager , you will be provided with a notification, you may or may not install it, and ofcourse every update package should have a changelog, so that you are aware of the changes.
Also the app should have an option to backup the old files in case if you want to revert back.
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Mmmm I'm happy the way it is.
Motto/quote : if it ain't broke don't try and fix it!!
I have yet to see a heavy size nightly or stable for that matter.I'm not having a moan at your idea but people are all different and choice is what makes us stand apart. We have an app which informs us of new builds and its then our choice of what to do with said information. There is an updated changelog page for info on each build and xda forum members have everything else regarding new builds/stable info.
My personal preference is stable but I like to test nightlys too and swap and change like the weather, so for me I say nooooooo I have everything I need where it is now. Regards Slymobi.
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ya you are right, stable versions are here, but what about nightlies? every week or two they are releasing a new nightly, and many of them contains major or minor bug fixes, so the user have to download, wipe(if it is needed) and flash again, dont it seems a bit discouraging?, i seem it like formatting your pc, running all the os setups, then installing your softwares etc.., some times you do all this for a small script/library change? so is that worthy enough? i dont think so. more over the developers have to build and build the update zip again and again, thats why i started thinking like this.
if you people dont like my idea, just we can stop it.
showlyshah said:
ya you are right, stable versions are here, but what about nightlies? every week or two they are releasing a new nightly, and many of them contains major or minor bug fixes, so the user have to download, wipe(if it is needed) and flash again, dont it seems a bit discouraging?, i seem it like formatting your pc, running all the os setups, then installing your softwares etc.., some times you do all this for a small script/library change? so is that worthy enough? i dont think so. more over the developers have to build and build the update zip again and again, thats why i started thinking like this.
if you people dont like my idea, just we can stop it.
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Back-up your apps with Titanium back-up. Many nightlies can be updated with out needing to format all the partitions. (maybe cache, just to be sure).
It`s not a chore. Nobody forces you to do it. If you consider the update to be worth the work, then ok. If not, stay on stable.
Call me naive, but why would I upgrade to the official 2.3 realise from one of the gingerbread based roms (CM7 / oxygen / MIUI)??
Are there performance gains to be had??
I'm struggling to understand the motivation to upgrade, please enlighten me.
Thanks.
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Call me naive, but why would I upgrade to the official 2.3 realise from one of the gingerbread based roms (CM7 / oxygen / MIUI)??
Are there performance gains to be had??
I'm struggling to understand the motivation to upgrade, please enlighten me.
Thanks.
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You shouldn't yet. What i have heared, it has better camera, wifi and touchscreen. But i don't think it's worth it.
If you can't stand using the 2.2.x version then you could upgrade to the official or an unofficial 2.3.x. Since you are in this forum you probably want the latest and greatest
In my case I upgraded to the official (I didn't try to root it yet). In my opinion it works fine, no issues with wifi at work or at home. The camera is better as mentioned by other members (it could be a placebo), and it feels more responsive (could also be a placebo). Some minor issues have been fixed/improved. I'm not much of a gamer but I've read that 3D performance is also improved.
The bad things are that they replaced the default launcher/music/lockscreen etc with their own, you can use something from the market but I'd prefer the AOSP ones to be included in the ROM (I want the CRT lockscreen effect!!!), I also couldn't make the equalizer to work which is strange but maybe it's a beta thing...
Also there are no Greek letters on the contact list (the vertical alphabet) and the SMS app supports 70 chars in Greek and not 160 (using the same IME that supported 160 in Froyo). These could be Gingerbread issues and not Huawei specific though but if you use a non-latin alphabet...
I don't plan to downgrade (it can be done as I've read), I don't have random reboots, crashes or other annoyances but I didn't have any on Froyo either.
You should always want to upgrade (the motivation is better performance, more features and a better user experience). Apart from from the Huawei custom stuff you could read some of the many Froyo vs Gingerbread etc articles in order to understand what to expect from an upgrade and decide if you need it (to either a custom or the official beta ROM)
I hope I helped...
Right. Think I'll stick will miui and hope someone can make a rom with the improvements from the official release
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Im also waiting,. the + points seems to be better battery and camera.
Seems to be a few reports of problems,- also the update is taken down from facebook.
Im on cm7 with cwm.
EDIT: MODS don't take this as a best thread ROM please, im not willing to ask this due to everyone having his own experience and preferences, im asking for STABLE thank you hope you understand and if you are going to delete pm me on what is wrong so I can change it
Hello, I've just read the Best ROM post it, but I think im not asking the same as the best ROM
I actually want a ROM which is stable for my girlfriend, I have tested loads of roms out there, and in my opinion latest rom are the best because of new features but they can have problems in speed or bugs (which is obvious ^^ now its to your choice if you want to keep updating your rom or stick for a stable one some time)
Everyone has his favourite rom and for X reasons, I'm not asking this...
I want a stable rom for someone who doesn't want problems with his phone (sometimes I think to only reflash and leave it like that so she doesnt wine)
Im actually thinking about few roms..
1. MSGINGER4.0 (I used this rom for about a month and I didn't find any bugs and excellent battery +720p, just the problem about 2g/3g toogle which in gingerbread is impossible to make it work + cm7 settings not working make it very little customizable - for ex. disabling in notifications the bluetooth which some people never use)
2. CM7 ROM: I know there are many out there, I've tried skanwich ones and Quarx on the good old days, I think its very stable but it has a higher battery drain than the msginger4.0 but maybe its worth it for the customization
about POINT 2 I would like to get some feedback, I've been reading WhiteRabbit 1.8 edition and maniacs build, I find them very interesting but I would like to know your views after testing them, some people report bugs and this is the last thing my gf wants XD ¿could you guys tell me more about these 2 roms and why they are more stable or less than cm7 skanky?
3. MIUI? Good interface 0 bugs from my experience BUT highest battery drain out there
I know I should test myself and see, but I did that with cm10 2nd boot last quarx build (tested for 4 days).. It was the most stable rom + the best features (since it was latest build) and I decide it to put it on my GF defy... after 1 week I got the ext4 bug (didn't boot, my fault for formatting to ext4 since it was a experimental feature) so I went back to another rom but now my GF has commonly force close, freezes and data connectivity drops
SO... Don't take this a thread of what is the best build out there please, since I'm not asking for this.. Im asking for a stable rom for someone who doesn't like playing with this kind of stuff
P.D: Don't take anything I've said about all the roms badly please, I love them all and it has been my experience with them and I know maybe you have different views due to different experiences.. (I didn't believe 2 exact phones could give different bugs since I had 2 but this actually happen)
so, what is the most stable ROM out there? (thinking also about battery performance + features (this last one must be the least important when telling me your opinion ^^ thank you!))
30 views and nobody could give a short awnser
I have tried a lot of roms (CM,MIUI..etc)on my phone and there is always that one moment in the day when i feel like having the stock rom back . Unfortunately i cannot go back to the stock rom even if i wished too since i blindly flashed defy+ rom on my defy and there is no way to downgrade from BL7. Mobile companies spend a lot of money in R&D while preparing the stock rom keeping in mind a variety of users . Believe me a lot of people i know give me confused looks when i ask them if their phones are "rooted.". Thus mobile companies try to strike a balance between noob and the tech savy users and by no means are stock roms useless (yes some find them bloated) . I respect all developers for their knowledge and work and it is only because of communities like XDA can i run a JB based rom on my defy ( almost a dream) . If you are looking for a bug free rom with a good battery life i would suggest sticking to the rom that came along with the phone .
mariosanoguera, I read your assertion that this is not a "best ROM" thread, but the fact is it's close enough. The point behind that rule is to avoid debate about which ROM is good at anything....whether than be "most stable", "best for messaging", or whatever. What you're asking will cause a variety of responses, then one poster will disagree with another, then controversy starts, then arguments, and on and on. The admins of XDA have been doing this a long time, and you're not the first person to start a "best ROM" thread while trying their hardest to make it sound like it's not a "best ROM" thread. They will always be closed and always have been, and for good reason.
So please don't take this personally. This is a development-oriented site and we do whatever we can to foster an environment that promotes development. Threads which try to determine which developer's work is better than another's never turn out well, and therefore are never allowed, without exception.
So there's a myriad of ROMs out there for the SM-G900F. So far I've tried only CM13, and while I love the looks and feels of it I feel it isn't stable enough. I want a ROM that is small/clean, stable and fast with as few apps as possible (just enough for it to run properly). I don't want to flash every single ROM available (as I'm really bad at this and might destroy my phone in the process) just to test them out.
So I am asking on here, do you know of any ROM that is minimalistic, clean, fast and stable that would suit my needs? First and foremost I want my phone to work as a phone, but I want most features to work properly. Preferably recently updated too Fast and stable being priorities.
I am thankful for any advice I can get. Currently running my stock rom, but it's freaking 3.8gb big... O_O
Also; I am sorry if this is against the Forum Rules. I skimmed through them before posting and it does not seem to be a conflicting question and the search function will not answer my question as all threads with similar questions are personalized and outdated.
XtreStoLite although it is a bit old, it's still great. (All GS5 apps flawless and lite )
CM12 AOSP, lite (near stock but high customization )
Blisspop Have not tried it but heard it was great.
Galaxy Project, I am going to be flashing to this soon.
These are just a few off the top of my head, as always there are amazing people and rom makers on this form,
so just look around.
Try new kernels to get different functions (double tap to wake) or just for better battery (handle wakelocks...etc better) or faster (overclock gpu and cpu)
I'm also looking for some info on this because the Samsung Galaxy S 5 forums are a complete mess and very difficult to find info relating to ALL aspects of flashing, including rooting and recoveries! It never used to be like this.
So far I have tried these two roms and I'm now tired of the issues, lack of updates and fixes:
- Galaxy Project
- PhoenixROM
Both of the above are nice but the galaxy project has a known bug where you can't send SMS to legitimate international phone numbers such as +61xxxxxx using the default messaging app. So this was a waste of time for me
Phoenix ROM I've found that facebook integration with the phone has restricted contacts sync to the phone. I think this FB sync issue is due to the custom rom but repeated posts asking for comments / help has got nowhere.
Both of the above ROMs are laggy and slow down. There's no comment on this either. Pheonix ROM also doesn't continue playing music where it left off like the stock rom did. To explain further, I have the phone bluetooth with the car. I play music through the car from the phone. I stop the car / exit eg going to a shop. When I get back in the car, the music starts from the beginning of the 2 hour mp3. Pain in the bum. Phones shouldn't be a pain in the bum.
I don't want a ROM where I have to spend weeks customising it. This is boring.
I was going to check out Shohat ROM but reading the comments there's a bug with bluetooth audio streaming.
I'm too looking for a minimalistic (no bloatware!), clean, fast and stable ROM. Bonus would be extra enhancements to fix current problems. Not an easy task.
Just the fact that there's no response to my previous post shows the forums for the s5 is dead. Time to buy a new phone i think.
Shame really since htc development continued well after the phones were outdated.
dieselboy said:
Just the fact that there's no response to my previous post shows the forums for the s5 is dead. Time to buy a new phone i think.
Shame really since htc development continued well after the phones were outdated.
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Well this is a reply.... The S5 is still a great phone tho, but its your wallet.
And yea, some people make those question threads, but never reply unless they need help, or they screwed something up.
Either way, this is still a supported phone by many developers and staff. Enjoy your life.
As for a recommended ROM try Blisspop, if you want stock TW you could always go back to TGP.
epeglab said:
Well this is a reply.... The S5 is still a great phone tho, but its your wallet.
And yea, some people make those question threads, but never reply unless they need help, or they screwed something up.
Either way, this is still a supported phone by many developers and staff. Enjoy your life.
As for a recommended ROM try Blisspop, if you want stock TW you could always go back to TGP.
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Thanks for your help. The frustration is the lack of updates to ROMs when there's bugs. Lack of information. And difficulty in finding ROMs suitable.
I'll look up Blisspop, thanks.
Don't know what TW or TGP means. I'll google it.
dieselboy said:
Thanks for your help. The frustration is the lack of updates to ROMs when there's bugs. Lack of information. And difficulty in finding ROMs suitable.
I'll look up Blisspop, thanks.
Don't know what TW or TGP means. I'll google it.
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TW == TouchWiz
TGP == The galaxy project.
Of course there are many Roms that I have not mentioned, also if you really want barebones android try cm 12, it's the closest to stock (AOSP) AFAIK. Just browse the forms.
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Ah ok thanks. TGP is too buggy and laggy for me, similar to PhoenixROM. I do prefer touchwhiz though.
Currently using OmegaROM. It's fast and smooth. little customisations so thats good. I thought NFC was not working, but it turns out bluetooth being on and connected to my smartwatch was causing NFC not to work.
Facebook contacts sync still not working in this ROM though. Contacts sync works with Stock Samsung roms, but no others apparently. . Facebook has blocked contacts sync, not sure why.
Hello XDA'ers.
First let me say that this will be somewhat a post about frustration with Android devices, but it's not meant to be misconstrued as disrespect to those who contribute to the development community. I know you guys work hard at this and I do appreciate your efforts. Your ROMs have been lightyears ahead of what Samsung stock offers.
But with that said, here's my question: is there a single rom that will work properly, is stable, wont crash, etc? I have been through over a dozen different ROMs across two devices, and there's always been something small or large wrong with them. The one I'm using on my i9505 right now is by Antares One and yesterday it decided to show me three or four notifications that "Google Play Services has stopped working" per minute and today none of my SMS messages are being sent.
But it's not limited that, rather, there's always been something or other that the Android ROM didn't like, or I had to find a workaround, or had to completely reflash with something else.
Has anyone experienced this? Why can't Android just be a stable OS? I'm really thinking about switching to a Microsoft phone for my next upgrade.
DJ
Even stock roms have their problems and stability issues. If you look through the Q&A section you'll find several threads about stock rom issues.
It's not Android's fault entirely. It has to do with the phone too. Roms on my device are always stable. Yet another user running the same rom on the same device has various problems.
I am currently running AOSP Marshmallow by the JDCTeam, no problems. Bluetooth works, wifi works, mobile data works, battery is fine (I went to sleep with 70% left and when I woke up 8 hours later it still was at 70%).
the problem here is the impossible fix of many problems by developers..why? many developers are not soft engineer and maybe they dont even know how to program just know how to port and replace files and thats all..a big team for every single phone are just impossible..
so a stable rom will never come..just find the one "flawless" and keep it..
for me the stable roms are not cm..or aosp..stock rom debloated are very stable..like s6 port to s4 and debloated..is a good one
Use stock ROM for stability. Although they are not fast as AOSP but they dont exhibit strange behaviors.
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DJRepresent said:
Hello XDA'ers.
First let me say that this will be somewhat a post about frustration with Android devices, but it's not meant to be misconstrued as disrespect to those who contribute to the development community. I know you guys work hard at this and I do appreciate your efforts. Your ROMs have been lightyears ahead of what Samsung stock offers.
But with that said, here's my question: is there a single rom that will work properly, is stable, wont crash, etc? I have been through over a dozen different ROMs across two devices, and there's always been something small or large wrong with them. The one I'm using on my i9505 right now is by Antares One and yesterday it decided to show me three or four notifications that "Google Play Services has stopped working" per minute and today none of my SMS messages are being sent.
But it's not limited that, rather, there's always been something or other that the Android ROM didn't like, or I had to find a workaround, or had to completely reflash with something else.
Has anyone experienced this? Why can't Android just be a stable OS? I'm really thinking about switching to a Microsoft phone for my next upgrade.
DJ
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Like GDReaper said in his post. For us those roms run perfectly fine. Sure there are bugs, but most issues are known before you decide to flash the rom. Besides the obvious bugs that are present there is also the user. A lot of problems are caused by inexperienced users. They don't know how to set up their phone, they flash shady apps, or use modifycations of their own (Xposed for example).
Then they come to XDA and provide no usefull information at all. For example:
"The one I'm using on my i9505 right now is by Antares One and yesterday it decided to show me three or four notifications that "Google Play Services has stopped working" per minute and today none of my SMS messages are being sent."
- For example you say you use a rom by Antares One. This gives us no information at all. He has made like 4 roms for the I9505. What build? What android version?
- Google Play Services has stopped working. What gapps package did you use?
- Have you made modifications of your own?
- Are you running an up to date modem and bootloader?
Also keep in mind that if you use for example a MM build that it's a work in progress. It has to be coded from scratch. So surely there will be some bugs, but you will get the latest Android version in return with all the latest security patches.
This post is not intended to flame you in any way. I think most of your frustration comes from the expectations that you have. You cannot expect that a CM based rom will work flawlessly out of the box. It's a work in progress.
This is a very good observation. I was thinking to write this kind of post in december.
A lot of Roms are abandoned or never pass nightly and you have to flash and flash again. Then suddenly all people jump to MM as if the world is ending tomorow. It is hard to find a good rom starting with Lollipop. I see a lot of people crying after KK stability and downgrading.
People are in a hurry, devs too, to flash the newest rom.
I prefer stability. A phone is not a camera, nor a battle field for flashing.. My 2C opinion.
I like custom roms, but sadly i need stability before customisation or performance. The only rom that delivers in this is Stock TW 4.4.2. If you want to go back to Kitkat use the latest firmware for your region.
It's very hard to deliver stability with a custom rom as stability is achieved through manpower, time and resources, which can't be provided through just donations.
Roms are abandoned because people move to other devices at some point.
And you can't stay on the same android version. Most of the roms are built from other sources. Like Resurrection Remix. The developer is wescrip, and he owns an LG device. The version for our S4 is built from his sources by TJSteveMX. If wescrip switched to Marshmallow it's pretty much impossible to for TJ to keep it Lollipop.
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(...)Why can't Android just be a stable OS? I'm really thinking about switching to a Microsoft phone for my next upgrade.DJ
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This is a more general answer:
In the Android world there is a huge diversity of devices (--> hardware) and Android versions. The next thing, you have to keep in mind: A lot of vendors and telecommunications companies include their modifications into the ROMs.
I think that due to the availability of new devices each year and all these modifications, which also include the full stop in official updates after 6 months after the release of the device, will lead to unstable (official) ROMs.
The community then tries to update the devices in their spare time to the newest versions. But they have to figure out some special settings and modifications per device. And this is a long way as it seems.
In my opinion, you should not blame the community and the developers. I think, it is more Google or the vendors that can´t agree on a good way to distribute newer Android versions (e.g. a new API layer between OS and Hardware).