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I bought an A500 and a Nook Color during recent deals, with plans to return one of them, and both arrived yesterday. I've rooted the Nook but left the A500 stock. I installed MX Player on both of them and have been playing movies ever since ... and am really disappointed in how the A500 screen looks in general and especially in comparison to the Nook's. It's kinda washed out, with bland colors, and just isn't sharp, while the Nook's is the opposite in all regards. Plus, movies on the Nook run very smoothly, while on the A500 there's a hint of hesitation throughout.
Sigh.
And I really wanted the A500 to be the tab I kept, because of everything else it can do that the Nook can't, with a bigger screen ta boot.
Might my A500 be defective or is this just the way things are, given that the screens use different technologies? I have tried fiddling with the A500s brightness adjustments, to no avail.
Thoughts? Suggestions? Thanks!
Have you tried to simply return for an exchange, or go to like a best buy and compare it to another? I watch movies on mine all the time, and usually via HDMI to my TV with no problems. I think I am using Twist player though for movies, so not sure if thats the trick. And, maybe try and convert the videos to different formats?
Not my experience
linter said:
I bought an A500 and a Nook Color during recent deals, with plans to return one of them, and both arrived yesterday. ... It's kinda washed out, with bland colors, and just isn't sharp, while the Nook's is the opposite in all regards. Plus, movies on the Nook run very smoothly, while on the A500 there's a hint of hesitation throughout.
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I have both, and my experience is different from yours. I find the A500 (tested outdoors) to be a bit brighter and truer whites (the NC has a very slight greenish tint).
I have viewed the same images on both, but not tried any movies.
The pixel density is higher on the NC, which is why it may appear sharper.
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I hope not as I am basically getting this to replace my nook color (not nook tablet). I'm hoping the extra core/bump in processor speed, honeycomb/ics, and bigger screen will make it a better browsing experience. Although movie playback works well on nook so I will be bummed if that is worse here. Do you still use both DeanGibson?
Fer: Nope, haven't gone to BB to check others out. It's a ways away, and time is short ... but maybe have to go.
DeanG: Pix are fine, no problemo. It's movies I'm talking about. Really, the diff b/ the A500 and the Nook is pretty significant. Hopefully, some other movie-watching Nook and A500 owners will chime in.
Nstong: Hope your experience is better than mine has been so far!
Use both
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Do you still use both DeanGibson?
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Yes, regularly
It is a bit washed out. I'd copied a movie onto my A500 and was comparing to my monitor last night and the colors are definitely more crisp and vibrant on the monitor. Cranking up the brightness on the A500 helped a bit. The A500 seems to need brightness turned up or it seems a bit dim.
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It is a bit washed out. I'd copied a movie onto my A500 and was comparing to my monitor last night and the colors are definitely more crisp and vibrant on the monitor. Cranking up the brightness on the A500 helped a bit. The A500 seems to need brightness turned up or it seems a bit dim.
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After a few more tests, I've decided to return the A500. Sigh. Oh, well, maybe next year something'll come out that I can afford and that has a nice screen, etc. In the meantime, the Nook will do just fine ...
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After a few more tests, I've decided to return the A500. Sigh. Oh, well, maybe next year something'll come out that I can afford and that has a nice screen, etc. In the meantime, the Nook will do just fine ...
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**** really? Was the browsing, user interface etc. smoother?
For the price, it falls into the "good enough" category for me. The wife did not like the 7" size so it was 10" or bust. Given that, this ended up being a pretty decent deal. It's mostly going to be used in the car and traveling for web browsing and movie watching when needed. The display doesn't have to be fantastic for that.
As it is, I'll probably end up with a Win8 tablet in the future. Nothing like having a full blown OS when you need it.
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After a few more tests, I've decided to return the A500. Sigh. Oh, well, maybe next year something'll come out that I can afford and that has a nice screen, etc. In the meantime, the Nook will do just fine ...
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You made the right choice!
The A500 is a piece of junk!
Coming from a consumer electronics background and now working in IT, posts like make you stop and ask "Is it better color or exaggerated?" All the SG2 fanboys out there love that screen. When I see it I think OMG oversaturation! I think the colors are very true on my A500. No complaints here.
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Coming from a consumer electronics background and now working in IT, posts like make you stop and ask "Is it better color or exaggerated?" All the SG2 fanboys out there love that screen. When I see it I think OMG oversaturation! I think the colors are very true on my A500. No complaints here.
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I totally agree.
If you don't like this product take it the fffffff.BACK to store get what you want.save us the time from reading your crying. Please
This is a Development forum.not a complaint arena take that to acers front door.
Thank you and sorry for being so rude its not really my style.
Xo my friends.
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I totally agree.
If you don't like this product take it the fffffff.BACK to store get what you want.save us the time from reading your crying. Please
This is a Development forum.not a complaint arena take that to acers front door.
Thank you and sorry for being so rude its not really my style.
Xo my friends.
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Someone got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning huh? lol
I chose a much more diplomatic/sarcastic response
I noticed the slight hesitation as well, if u use moboplayer its mitigated quite a bit. It also helps if you encode your videos at a less taxing preset.
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I bought an A500 and a Nook Color during recent deals, with plans to return one of them, and both arrived yesterday. I've rooted the Nook but left the A500 stock. I installed MX Player on both of them and have been playing movies ever since ... and am really disappointed in how the A500 screen looks in general and especially in comparison to the Nook's. It's kinda washed out, with bland colors, and just isn't sharp, while the Nook's is the opposite in all regards. Plus, movies on the Nook run very smoothly, while on the A500 there's a hint of hesitation throughout.
Sigh.
And I really wanted the A500 to be the tab I kept, because of everything else it can do that the Nook can't, with a bigger screen ta boot.
Might my A500 be defective or is this just the way things are, given that the screens use different technologies? I have tried fiddling with the A500s brightness adjustments, to no avail.
Thoughts? Suggestions? Thanks!
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I read the above post and looked familiar - like deja vu. It stuck in my mind cause I was exasperated after reading it. To the OP, there are some things you should just share with your significant other, or better yet your cat. "sigh":
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got my a500 yesterday and after all that waiting and fretting, i hate to say it but ... bleh. main problem is screen with movies is just okay, especially compared to the nook's. it's washed out and not all that sharp. plus, the thing is fairly heavy. yeah, i know, i read the specs beforehand, but it's one thing to read em and another to feel em. as long as you've got something to rest it on, of course, no problemo, but it's not fun to sit w/ it in bed, at least as compared to the nook, which i also got yesterday, from the earlier BB refurb deal.
i'm only going to keep one of them. so far, i'm leaning toward the nook. but, damn, the a500 has so much to offer. if only the screen was better, i could probably deal w/ the weight. but the two of them together ... i dunno.
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Users writing such posts, are close to being blind and much worse..
comparing a computerscreen and a tablet cannot be done by the eye. If this owner went and played a 720p edition of a movie on the tablet, using software decoding and later on played using hardware decoding and totally different calibration settings for colours your result is probably what most people buy a TV on, vibrant colours which are way off ISF calibrated standard, but for regular colour blind users, it looks nice . NEVER trust regular user opinions on screen and its appearance, we all see colour differently when it comes to personal taste, and you cannot ask one which is not a professional, about colours being wrong, if that user never had any idea on gamma settings, CMYK or CMS or even grayscale corrections done to the screen.
this user cannot be trusted, but if you do choose to do so, beware, you eyes might just be alot better and you get a personal better experience with a500 than the user chosing another tablet with different display, just because it looked vibrant.
meassuring colours on a500, will give an idea on which is wrong or how accurate it is, and its really not that bad..
Its like saying you prefer "SPORTS" picture settings on your telly compared to MOVIE settings. both are equally bad, but you get a personal view on it, making it better.
Best screen available today for any tegra2 tablet is the one on Samsung Galaxy 10.1, their panel used is alot better and more accurate. If just everybody included colour management on their tablet we could even calibrate it to be perfect.
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Users writing such posts, are close to being blind and much worse..
comparing a computerscreen and a tablet cannot be done by the eye. If this owner went and played a 720p edition of a movie on the tablet, using software decoding and later on played using hardware decoding and totally different calibration settings for colours your result is probably what most people buy a TV on, vibrant colours which are way off ISF calibrated standard, but for regular colour blind users, it looks nice . NEVER trust regular user opinions on screen and its appearance, we all see colour differently when it comes to personal taste, and you cannot ask one which is not a professional, about colours being wrong, if that user never had any idea on gamma settings, CMYK or CMS or even grayscale corrections done to the screen.
this user cannot be trusted, but if you do choose to do so, beware, you eyes might just be alot better and you get a personal better experience with a500 than the user chosing another tablet with different display, just because it looked vibrant.
meassuring colours on a500, will give an idea on which is wrong or how accurate it is, and its really not that bad..
Its like saying you prefer "SPORTS" picture settings on your telly compared to MOVIE settings. both are equally bad, but you get a personal view on it, making it better.
Best screen available today for any tegra2 tablet is the one on Samsung Galaxy 10.1, their panel used is alot better and more accurate. If just everybody included colour management on their tablet we could even calibrate it to be perfect.
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No one is saying it's that bad. People are just saying there are others that are better. For some it isn't as important. For some it is.
As for color management, that can help but even then, there can be consistency issues across the screen. I do wish we had color management on Android devices as it would help.
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As for color management, that can help but even then, there can be consistency issues across the screen. I do wish we had color management on Android devices as it would help.
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maybe the CyanogenMod team can do so, they already played with colours, so why not go all the way, and let us chose ourselves.
anyways, an app might just do it too, at least on tegra2 tablets. dunno, if it can be generally used on all, since hardware changes and some might utilize and other simply skipped the functions of the display.
linter/floete - I've had the A500 for over a week and can attest that the display is not "washed out." Over the weekend I attached a compact flash card reader and viewed huge jpg images from a full frame dslr. The detail was amazing, and very useful for inspecting an image before sending it off. For movies, the display is also nice. This is subjective, but really, the IPS screens may be better, but the A500 is still really good. I don't feel like I'm missing anything with the A500. My only complaint is the 3' power cord - too short...
Considering picking one up used for $120 or less (BTW, any deals better than the $135 certified pre-owned on B&N's site would be appreciated). I've considered loads of other tablets (mostly 7"), but fact is, I don't want to spend much, at least not on the tablet itself.
Anyway, at $120 or less, is it worth picking up, or should I look at something else? The things that draw me to the Nook Color are price (obviously), screen type/quality (not super glossy = awesome), USB OTG (considering plugging in a keyboard and using it for notes), Bluetooth (for headphones), and support/dev community.
My main uses would be reading books/comics, watching videos (nothing high-res), and possibly taking notes as mentioned earlier; there'd be very light gaming, as anything more serious would be reserved to an Xperia Play when I get one later. I doubt I'd install much just to try and keep it running as smooth as possible.
Expandable memory is nice, but not necessary, and I could live without either USB OTG or Bluetooth if the other was present. Camera/GPS/etc. definitely isn't necessary. Don't care for dual-core and whatnot as I know I won't really use/need the power.
Also, quick question about the Nook Color - are there any major issues left with CM7 for it, or is it basically complete? And how is CM9 in comparison (at the moment)?
nookcolor is a great tablet for $130 (give or take in price) but im ruuning cm7.1 for months now with no bugs or problems at all, it is a very stable rom. Screen is very nice, not to bright or to dull.
I got mine new for around $120 too. It is a great value although it does not have camera or other peripheral options.
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I got mine new for around $120 too. It is a great value although it does not have camera or other peripheral options.
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You get what you pay for
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You get what you pay for
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Sometimes, you just pay more because you're an idiot.
The Nook Color has an exquisite screen, and it's better than the Kindle Fire (which I also own). Also, the Nook Tablet screen is exactly the same. It's the right resolution and sharpness. The iPad 3 is probably too much, especially since it runs very hot and eats the battery.
Even if you don't want to root or replace the ROM on your Nook Color, it's still a great tablet with a screen that is better than any other.
I love the color Nook. I f only it had a microphone , it could do everything I need
DigitalMD said:
I love the color Nook. I f only it had a microphone , it could do everything I need
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Some success in that area. Check out this thread:
http://www.androidtablets.net/forum/nook-color-technical/15172-headset-microphone-nc.html
Money
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Forgot to update, ended up getting one for $100 in great condition on Craigslist. Immediately popped in a 32GB microSD and loaded CM7.2, lowered the screen density to 120, and I love it.
Definitely go with the Nook Color
I bought it when it was originally priced at $250. I live in Canada and drove down to the States to pick it up since BN doesn't ship to Canada. Even with the release of newer tablets, I'd buy another Nook Color over the others simply because it's the best bang for the buck.
I use it for my commute -- reading PDF books, listening to MP3s, watching videos, and the occasional game.
FWIW, I've owned an Ipad, Ipad2, and Blackberry Playbook. However, I couldn't justify the $400-600 price tag and sold them.
CM 7.2 is very functional, assuming you can live with the fact that apps won't recognize it as a full-on tablet. Within that limitation, it does everything just fine that you'd expect. The only shortcoming on your list is bluetooth support, as ranges can be limited.
At anything below $150, I'd says it's definitely worth a buy. You can blow that much with a night on the town, and have nothing but a headache and a strange rash to show for it.
Just to let everyone know that for some reason (good or bad), CM7.2-RC1 KANG on my NC is last FOREVER
I don't even know I should smile or not. It has been left idle (with virtually no use, screen off) for a WEEK and still has roughly 65% left in the tank.
Don't get me wrong, I've enjoyed my NC for some time and still continue to do so (as I already own it and it's just good enough to still do what I need, namely play around with new OS code ala CM9).
That said, even at $199.00, it's way slow compared to the competitions products at the same price ranges. NT is much better but doesn't even have BlueTooth at all, from my understanding and shown in it's tear down.
This means that if you need BT, albiet with a less than 10 inch range, the NC is probably the only "eReader" with BT using CM7 or CM9 at that range.
If you are thinking of the tape for gaming? Don't, it's opengl is good enough to entice you with some titles running, but it'll be lag city once there is enough onscreen action.
Thinking of it for Video? Semi-don't. Sure it's IPS screen will impress, but 720P video will not be 100% smooth and it doesn't have the video processing to do anything higher. Pretty much 480P res when you use NetFlix.
Can't buy new? While you can get a cheap NC off of Ebay, keep an eye out for several of the top end earlier generation tabs as the new ones entice users to upgrade.
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Don't get me wrong, I've enjoyed my NC for some time and still continue to do so (as I already own it and it's just good enough to still do what I need, namely play around with new OS code ala CM9).
That said, even at $199.00, it's way slow compared to the competitions products at the same price ranges. NT is much better but doesn't even have BlueTooth at all, from my understanding and shown in it's tear down.
This means that if you need BT, albiet with a less than 10 inch range, the NC is probably the only "eReader" with BT using CM7 or CM9 at that range.
If you are thinking of the tape for gaming? Don't, it's opengl is good enough to entice you with some titles running, but it'll be lag city once there is enough onscreen action.
Thinking of it for Video? Semi-don't. Sure it's IPS screen will impress, but 720P video will not be 100% smooth and it doesn't have the video processing to do anything higher. Pretty much 480P res when you use NetFlix.
Can't buy new? While you can get a cheap NC off of Ebay, keep an eye out for several of the top end earlier generation tabs as the new ones entice users to upgrade.
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Yeah, Bluetooth was one of those things I just can't live without, even with the limited range. I definitely wouldn't have picked it up for any more than $100 (I would have just gotten the new NT if it wasn't much more expensive). Video hasn't disappointed me - standard/non-HD video is good enough for me and plays just fine. As for gaming, I intend to get an Xperia Play to use exclusively as a gaming device and just use that - although I may skip it at this point, as I have plenty of PC games, and the tablet is taking up a lot of the free time I had previously.
And I don't mind the lack of tablet apps on CM7 - I find CM9 a bit too sluggish to consider the switch at least for now.
I'm now the proud owner of a Nook HD. It's my second android device (phone is a GS3) and my fourth device for which I have sought guidance in this incredible forum. After perusing the Nook section of this site, I felt like I needed to reflect on why I chose this device.
1. I need to read more...again. I used to read all of the time. I'm a high school English teacher, so I have a passion for reading. However, like so many of my teenage students, I am easily distracted. I thought that I would read on my iPad, but that didn't happen since there are so many great games out for tablets. As a father of a 3-year old, my time and energy has seemed to be more prone to go to a mindless video game for a few minutes of gameplay rather than delve deep into a classic from one of my favorite authors. So, I'm hoping my Nook HD is the answer I need for this. Since it is smaller, maybe I'll have it along with my more often so I can read more often. Also, since B&N doesn't seem to have any intention of competing with iOS on the scale of game offerings, I won't be tempted to play N.O.V.A. or Modern Combat over reading Eliot.
2. 7" seems to really be the perfect size for a reading tablet. Sorry HD+ owners, you're not going to like this point. If that HD+ is your first tablet, I hope you will at least heed or remember my thoughts here. My iPad (or any 10" screen) is too big to read on enjoyably. I've had an iPad for almost 2 years and I have spent many hours reading on it. It's an amazing device for things like producing writing, annotating essays, playing games, or watching movies, but the size of the blessed thing is just not ideal for reading*. Think about it, why are most paperbacks around 6-8" tall? I think it's because you naturally read faster and more easily when your eyes don't have to travel too far up an down the pages. A 7" tablet has the same effect. After reading on my HD for a while today, I can honestly say that the reading experience seems easier and more natural. Plus, being able to hold it with one hand makes it more convenient as well.
*I also looked at a couple magazines on my Nook HD and I will say the 10" screens are more suited for that. Looking at Entertainment Weekly caused some eyestrain. I suppose that's one reason B&N invented Article View.
So, that's my spiel. Feel free to concur or show obloquy as desired.
I got the HD because:
1) It had faster benchmarks than the Nexus 7
2) It had a better resolution and an overall better screen than the Nexus 7
3) It was rootable
4) I originally paid $180, but then returned it and got it for $149 at Staples
5) Nexus 7 16GB was not available anywhere.
Overall, I am very happy with the little tablet. I got my wife the HD+ at Staples for $199. She's not so happy with it, so I'll have two tablets and she'll end up getting the iPad Mini when the retina version comes out since her first gen iPad is getting outdated. Both the HD and HD+ were rooted but updated to 2.0.5, but Play still works. I was able to sideload Chrome since Play shows it incompatible. I also have them both booting to CM10 which has been pretty stable so far.
I agree about the 7" size. I have a 10" android tablet for playing games and surfing the web. I got the HD for reading. I rooted it to put other reading apps on it and so it can be more of an all-around device when necessary.
I get the HD+ for the size and resolution. I use the size for reading manga, smaller would just make it not very readable. Also I already have a Note II which is 5.5inches. So getting HD is kinda redundant. Also I found that using the HD+ connecting to my notebook using iDisplay to show my pictures when I'm working on them is quite useful.
Obviously 7inch and 9inch are aim at different type of consumers.
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I get the HD+ for the size and resolution. I use the size for reading manga, smaller would just make it not very readable. Also I already have a Note II which is 5.5inches. So getting HD is kinda redundant. Also I found that using the HD+ connecting to my notebook using iDisplay to show my pictures when I'm working on them is quite useful.
Obviously 7inch and 9inch are aim at different type of consumers.
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Those are good points. Like I said in my op, magazines are a bit small on the HD, so I'm sure the HD+ is better for anything illustrated.
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The HD+ gives a quite nice two-column reading experience in landscape. I would have stuck with something smaller if comic books and magazines were lower on my priority list, but my old Nook Color always felt a bit cramped for those. I've honestly been on a comic book and audio book jag ever since I got the HD+ and not reading much in the way of straight text.
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Good idea. Title changed to help that type of buyer searching.
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Even if the title weren't change it just mean people would look at the remarks and can tell, that maybe there is something they want to do and HD isn't good at but HD+ does better. It's no confusing at all. Reasons to buy alone isn't very informative w/o reasons not to buy. Information is information, period.
I went from Sony Reader to Kindle 3 to Nook Tablet to Nook HD+.
Nook Tablet is perfect size for reading books and bringing along with me--I agree with you there.
I read lots of magazines in PDF format. That's the main reason I went with the bigger HD+. I've grown accustomed to the size now and like the bigger screen.
Hardback books are about the size of the HD+, and I have always liked Hardback covers over paperbacks. So my yin to your yang.
However I have yet to use this thing for anything but video and some light music.
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Has anyone here tried the Kindle Fire HD 8.9 also?
I'm on the fence between a Kindle Fire HD 8.9 and a Nook HD+. I wasn't sure if I wanted a 7" or 9" at first but I think I need a 9" because I mostly will want to use it to look at PDF tech manuals and CAD schematic drawings when I'm on the go crawling around in areas where it is inconvenient to carry a laptop. Aside from that, its nice to have something to use on the plane or sitting around at the airport.
The main differences I see are:
Kindle: thinner (barely), has mimo wifi (don't know if its a real diff), camera (already have a phone camera), micro usb (don't have to buy proprietary connectors), ambient light sensor (might save some batt)
Nook: lighter (not by much), higher ppi (barely), external storage (although I'm not sure if I really need it)
Price is about the same if I look on ebay. Software is the same if I put on CM10, although I'm not sure if the kindle is as far along.
For me, seems like the biggest diff is the micro usb vs the external storage, and maybe the weight, hard to know how important 2.4oz is. I suspect that the external storage won't really be needed so if the weight isnt a big diff, I think I may lean towards the kindle.
I'd be interested in any other important differences people have noticed.
There is more difference between the Nook HD and Nexus 7 than some people think. The Nook HD provides the main essentials like good screen etc but has very limited sensors.
The nexus 7 is like a phone and has a full collection of sensors like an ambient light sensor, gyroscope, GPS, compass, proximity sensor, camera + more.
These sensors can be useful in some circumstances. Gyro is good for games and alot better than an accelerometer
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There is more difference between the Nook HD and Nexus 7 than some people think. The Nook HD provides the main essentials like good screen etc but has very limited sensors.
The nexus 7 is like a phone and has a full collection of sensors like an ambient light sensor, gyroscope, GPS, compass, proximity sensor, camera + more.
These sensors can be useful in some circumstances. Gyro is good for games and alot better than an accelerometer
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Yes, if you only have one tablet/smartphone device the choice is harder. However, I have a smartphone and a 10" android tablet. I wanted a light reader with added functionality. I fell in love with the nook HD screen as I am a screen-o-phile and can't go back to TN displays with poor color representation. The Nook HD has fantastic colors as well as a good resolution. Images just pop. I think it has over 90% adobe RGB gamut which is better than the nexus 7 (86% if I recall correctly) along with a better resolution.
Now resolution is not everything. The next gen ipad certainly has a ridiculous resolution that requires an overpowered GPU for most purposes ... that is all purposes except reading where every bit of resolution helps to discern text. Likewise, the extra bit of resolution on the Nook HD really makes it a good reader.
The Nook HD is also very light and has removable storage which is a HUGE plus for me. All the major tablet/phone manufacturers charge like 100-200 bucks more for pennies worth of Nand. 720p screens require at least 32gb to enjoy videos and media at that resolution IMO.
Overall, I am very happy with my purchase. B&N produced a quality product at a good price. They did shortchange in certain areas (no camera, no sensors), but I don't care about camera as almost all of them suck anyways in 7" tablets (especially the front ones) and the sensors are kind of a pain but I already have a smartphone so what do I care?
The Nook HD is a fantastic reader and secondary tablet. Hopefully with some more work on CM10/10.1, it will be a better primary one too.
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720p screens require at least 32gb to enjoy videos and media at that resolution IMO.
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Can you clarify what you mean by this?
a 720p video file certainly isnt 32gb. maybe 1gb per movie depending on quality
It may take more memory to play it but the memory has nothing to do with the 32gb storage.
As for sensors, I dont care about the camera. GPS would be nice but the kindle doesnt have it either.
I don't see the use of a proximity sensor. The gyro is needed for some games. and the light sensor is somewhat important to output the right amount of brightness.
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Can you clarify what you mean by this?
a 720p video file certainly isnt 32gb. maybe 1gb per movie depending on quality
It may take more memory to play it but the memory has nothing to do with the 32gb storage.
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A decently compressed feature-length 720p movie will range from 1.5-4GB depending on encoding, and a straight rip without decent compression might run 6-8GB or more. If you want to have more than one such movie on your tablet and maybe a couple of TV episodes as well as other media (magazines, PDFs, comics) it piles up fast. I don't even watch many videos on my tablet, and getting by on less than 32GB for what is essentially a media portal would be a pain.
Most 720p movies I've watched are in the 1-1.5 range. Beyond that I havent noticed alot of difference but maybe that's just me. Regardless, I don't see myself watching alot of movies on this and I wouldn't need to store more than one or two at a time. My primary purpose would be using it when it is inconvenient to carry my laptop like when I'm out in the field and need to pull up a pdf manual and/or cad drawings. This does not require much storage space.
It does sound like the trade is between the piece of mind of being able to upgrade storage and having a couple more sensors + the convenience of a microUSB.
i agree that 7" is a darn good size for reading and on hand holding, but i occasionally do things other than reading and 7" kinda limited me. i upgraded my galaxy tab 8.9 to this device. i do have a 10.1 galaxy note but do find that one too big for reading most of the times. it's not heavy, just awkward holding with one hand while laying down reading.
The 7" form factor is great, but even as much as I like expandable storage and getting every last possible pixel per inch, the Nook HD just doesn't stand up to the Nexus 7 in that market. The 32GB N7 is at least adequate in storage, and only $20 more than a 16GB Nook HD. The PPI difference is not that major, they're about the same weight with equally generic design, but the N7 has considerably more powerful innards, a full sensor array, and it's already a Nexus device: no hacking required. You'd have to really, really like the Nook HD display and see limited functionality as a positive thing--I could maybe see it if you were buying with young children in mind.
The HD+, on the other hand, has only one competitor within 30-40% of the asking price, and that one (the Kindle 8.9") is still asking more for less. Like the Nook Color when that device came out, the HD+ is the best screen for the money right now and also happens to have a distinctive design, not just because there's a hole in it but because it has a unified aesthetic other than "fat black bezel."
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The 7" form factor is great, but even as much as I like expandable storage and getting every last possible pixel per inch, the Nook HD just doesn't stand up to the Nexus 7 in that market. The 32GB N7 is at least adequate in storage, and only $20 more than a 16GB Nook HD. The PPI difference is not that major, they're about the same weight with equally generic design, but the N7 has considerably more powerful innards, a full sensor array, and it's already a Nexus device: no hacking required. You'd have to really, really like the Nook HD display and see limited functionality as a positive thing--I could maybe see it if you were buying with young children in mind.
The HD+, on the other hand, has only one competitor within 30-40% of the asking price, and that one (the Kindle 8.9") is still asking more for less. Like the Nook Color when that device came out, the HD+ is the best screen for the money right now and also happens to have a distinctive design, not just because there's a hole in it but because it has a unified aesthetic other than "fat black bezel."
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This had way top many overgeneralizations for me to ignore. For one, the storage difference is significant. For the same price I can get a nook HD with a 64gb micro SD card as a 32gb nexus.
The PPI difference is still significant. I compared both devices directly and the nook HD had better color accuracy and sharper text. 900p is actually over 25% more pixels than 800p. It is a huge difference for reading and text-based media consumption.
Weight is also very important for me at this form factor and given my usage patterns. The nook HD is the lightest device in its class and feels even lighter than my phone. I feel weight definitely matters especially for a device meant to be held and used as a replacement novel unlike say an iPad which can reasonably be expected to be laid down or held upright by a case instead.
Powerful is relative. The tegra 3 GPU is seriously underwhelming to adreno and mali. I know, I own a transformer infinity. For most virtually every process the nook HD is just as smooth as the nexus 7 which is all that really matters, not epeen statements about power. Devices need only be powerful enough for their intended use.
Nexus devices are definitely nice but so is cynmogen mod. Nook HD definitely takes more work to enjoy. Sensors are also irrelevant if you use them. How man people do you know actually use the cameras on their tablet for example. How about GPS? Having the option is definitely nice but irrelevant in most cases to the vast majority of people.
Its ironic that you mention the hd+ as being better. I found using it underwhelming. After having owned the infinity, I know how hard it is for current gen tech to power full HD displays. The nook HD+ was very slow at loading PDFs in store and kind of clunky in terms of performance. Understandable as even my infinity lags with an over clocked tegra 3. A nook HD was however completely smooth for me.
To each his own, but I think the nook HD is a much better device for me than a nexus 7. Even if I didn't ave a larger tablet, I would have gotten a nook.
In my opinion tablets are all about screen first, practicality second, and smoothness second. The nook HD does a better job at being a media consumption device than the nexus 7 across many metrics.
That's it folks.
B&N is pulling the plug on its Nook line of products.
Still love my emmc CM10.1 Nook HD+... Hope it will still get some love from verygreen and other great devs!
Source:
businesswire.com/news/home/20130625005839/en/Barnes-Noble-Reports-Fiscal-2013-Year-End-Financial
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Not exactly the end. "the company’s tablet line will be co-branded with yet to be announced third party manufacturers of consumer electronics products" means there's at least a possibility that Nooks will just go a sort of Nexus route, i.e. the new manufacturer covers the hardware and gets hardware profits but the device still has B&N branding. Of course, it could just be a normal tablet with the Nook app preinstalled, but we shall see.
My only question would be extended warranties what will they do if a unit needs replacement in the next two years?
Should be an even bigger price drop to sell off the stock. May snap up a few more if the HD+ goes to $100 or less.
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Not exactly the end. "the company’s tablet line will be co-branded with yet to be announced third party manufacturers of consumer electronics products" means there's at least a possibility that Nooks will just go a sort of Nexus route, i.e. the new manufacturer covers the hardware and gets hardware profits but the device still has B&N branding. Of course, it could just be a normal tablet with the Nook app preinstalled, but we shall see.
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This will most likely be with Microsoft and a Windows RT or Windows 8.x product. They put $300m USD into B&N in April 2012, and they are looking for a way to grow the ailing Surface RT business.
Although B&N says they are committed to supporting NOOK HD & NOOK HD+ owners, you see how quickly NOOKcolor & NOOK Tablet owners were left in the wind. Give it a year to wind down the Android business and expect a new, Windows based product sometime holiday season this year or early summer (reading season) next year.
It's not 100% clear if the Nook range will end or not. What is clear however, is that Nook will stop manufacturing Nook's. The two statements I have just made are not the same.
Nook will stop manufacturing their Nook tablets, and are looking for a partner to manufacturer new tablets. Since manufacturing takes a big bite of their operating costs, manufacturing will be withheld. So perhaps the HD and HD+ will continue to sell, but will no longer be manufactured by Nook, but by another manufacturer. They may replicate the Nook HD and HD+, or they may manufacture completely different Nooks for B&N.
Or perhaps, the new tablet range will no longer be called "Nook" by B&N? Only time will tell, but this isn't the end. I believe it's the start of something new.
My sources:
http://thenextweb.com/gadgets/2013/...tners-with-third-party-manufacturers-instead/
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...ok-on-its-nook-tablet-manufacturing-business/
http://www.geekosystem.com/no-more-nooks/
At the VERY tail end of inventory depletion they MIGHT push the balance out at $100 for a 16GB HD+, but I doubt it. They will bleed stock at the current loss of margin, but not seeing them eat any more than they are now. The device is selling fairly well now.... which will also result in more loss for the next quarter at the current price. They would be nuts to drop more unless already accrued as a bigger loss, but not likely.
The next Nook related device would be a Microsoft product, so no more Android regardless.
Maybe if they supported developers and opened their system up and not lock in down in the beginning, then their profits wouldn't be so low. People don't want corporations making the choices of what you can/can't install on your device.
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Maybe if they supported developers and opened their system up and not lock in down in the beginning, then their profits wouldn't be so low. People don't want corporations making the choices of what you can/can't install on your device.
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As folks have mentioned, the model for this device was sell at near loss at current price and make it up with their locked in app store. It was a Catch 22, since your point and the market option was key in the device failure. That said, the build, display, general performance and battery life make it IMO the perfect tablet for comics, books, emulators, games and media. For the price and using CM 10.1, it is a no-brainer.
For emulators, it is better than than my two tablets with the Tegra 3 chipet and sleep mode battery drain is FAR better. The only tablet that is better in the sleep mode regard is the iPad. For Android, this is the best tablet I have owned for sleep mode drain and I had or tested about every main-stream tablet that exisits at one time or another. Most Android tablets are not too good for sleep mode drain- especially Tegra 3.
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Should be an even bigger price drop to sell off the stock. May snap up a few more if the HD+ goes to $100 or less.
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just depends on how well they are selling at the current prices. HD+ at $149 is an absolute steal. I just picked one up yesterday. Google has waited too long to announce the Nexus 7. This may prevent me from getting one.
It's a shame it hasn't been making them money as it really is a quality bit of kit for the price point.
I was for the Nexus 7 for a long time but when this got google apps the extra screen real estate was a big plus (I read mags/comics on it) for not much extra weight.
Hopefully they get a quality third party to continue the manufacturing.
I also think though that they need to advertise the device better. I knew nothing about the HD+ until google apps appeared on it and was across more mainstream tech news sites that I read.
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It's a shame it hasn't been making them money as it really is a quality bit of kit for the price point.
I was for the Nexus 7 for a long time but when this got google apps the extra screen real estate was a big plus (I read mags/comics on it) for not much extra weight.
Hopefully they get a quality third party to continue the manufacturing.
I also think though that they need to advertise the device better. I knew nothing about the HD+ until google apps appeared on it and was across more mainstream tech news sites that I read.
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I agree. The extra screen real estate is great. Also, I love that they used a wider (in portrait) screen than most (who are using 16:10). For tablets, it makes much more sense. I actually wish they would take it a step farther and go 4:3 like iPad. Currently, the only tablets I aware of that do this is the Archos tablets. Tablets really are best for use with a 4:3 ratio.
My only annoyance is the settings for density. Everything seems WAAAAYYY too small for my eyes on this puppy. I'm definitly going to be adjusting it once I get CM loaded up.
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I agree. The extra screen real estate is great. Also, I love that they used a wider (in portrait) screen than most (who are using 16:10). For tablets, it makes much more sense. I actually wish they would take it a step farther and go 4:3 like iPad. Currently, the only tablets I aware of that do this is the Archos tablets. Tablets really are best for use with a 4:3 ratio.
My only annoyance is the settings for density. Everything seems WAAAAYYY too small for my eyes on this puppy. I'm definitly going to be adjusting it once I get CM loaded up.
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Dont have that problem myself. Everything seems crisp and clear.
Not dead yet?
http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/08/barnes-noble-not-giving-up-on-nook-tablets-after-all/
Nice!! I totally agree with what the new CEO said.
Another big reason is TI is out of the game. So I am wondering what will be the CPU of next Kindle? Snapdragon? BTW I love my NOOK HD+, perfect device for pdf, ebook and comics!!!
I bought a Nook HD + a week ago... for tablet use, not for reading books (I prefer paper in my hands), the Nook HD+ is a great device for my intended use... and the price was right! Found a Microsoft BT keyboard (mobile keyboard 6000) that works perfectly with the HD+. I give it 2 thumbsup!
Barnes & Noble has decimated their Nook development group.
Their latest endeavor, the white Nook Glow is a mish-mash of old and new software.
It appears that they've dropped the other two Eink models.
I do not ever expect to see any further updates or developments from B&N.
Eink has always played their cards close to their chest.
They have always presented their products as OEM, that is for manufacturers only.
To get the most out of devices with Eink displays application developers must also have a good understanding of Eink.
Just go to the Eink website, there is no useful information available.
A visit to Eink Developer Center shows just one kit for development of tiny readouts, not full displays.
I am not sure that I agree eInk is dead. I think it will have a niche market out there for a while. I am one of those people who really don't like reading on a back lit screen for any length of time. Perhaps it is due to my job where I stare at back lit LCD monitors all day long. In any case, I want to read on an eInk screen, not a back lit LCD. Until someone develops another tech to take to place of eInk, there will be people like me looking for eInk devices.
As for the eInk Nooks. They are dead. The future of eInk devices is high resolution 1024 x 768 capacitive touchscreen like the Kindle Paperwhite or the newly introduced Tolino Vision from Germany.
Hmm, that new Tolino looks interesting.
Still, I wouldn't say that 600 x 800 vs 768 x 1024 is the biggest deal for me.
The screen resolution is adequate for my eyes.
That it's the Carta display, whiter and faster would be some incentive.
A faster processor, more RAM and a more recent Android would be a win.
Of course I like eInk, I just think with prices being more than an LCD tablet it will remain a niche market.
It is my impression, from what I have read, the the extra resolution is somewhat necessary to make up for the extra layer needed for the capatitive touch screen. I agree that the 800 x 600 on a Nook with an IR touch screen is plenty good enough for these 50+ year old eyes.
No, E-Ink isn't dead. I have had a NST and I've been very satisfied with it as an e-reader. It's still easier on the eyes than even the best backlit display. My hope has been that someone might develop an E-Ink tablet not only for reading books but also for other text-intensive apps. Check out meetearl.com, for one interesting possibility. In the meantime, some folks have figured out that the Kobo line and the Tolino line are very similar in hardware. Long story short, I now have a Kobo Aura HD running Gingerbread from a microSD card. And it's not too bad at all. I don't use it for games or video, but it works well for the apps I've wanted to run on an E-Ink display. Gingerbread is old now, but significantly better than Eclair. The folks at Earl plan to use KitKat. It's still in development. No, E-Ink isn't dead yet!
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I will have to admit that I bought a Nexus 7 tablet (1st gen, 32G) because my NST was less than completely adequate for some things. However, now, months later, I still find myself using the NST for almost all my reading. It is lighter, and easier on the eyes than the Nexus.
Dead? Maybe, but you can have mine when you pry my cold dead fingers off of it!
MildBill
All the black eInk Nooks have disappeared from the Barnes & Noble website.
You can only find them on places like eBay now.
I'm not sure about the brick-and-mortar stores, I'll have to check.
I am interested in how the Tolino will work out.
There is this video (in German): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SulHahVHxIE
It doesn't really look impressively better.
I spend 99% of my time doing straight reading and my NST works as least as well as that.
eInk devices are going to be primarily for those who (like myself) like dedicated devices. I want my camera to take pictures, I want my phone to make phone calls, I want my eReader to read, and I use a tablet for other media (video / web / music). I believe that there will always be a market for such devices, whether that market is sufficiently lucrative for products to be developed and sold is another question.
We have an NST and a new Kobo Aura HD. I did all my serious reading on my NST. It's still one of the best eReaders out there. If the NST ran a newer version of Android, I would have looked no further. But, I wanted to be able to read books and articles from a few other apps on an E-Ink eReader, apps which won't work on Android 2.1. When I learned that the Kobo eReaders are very similar to the Tolino line, and that someone found a way to run the Tolino Shine's ROM from a microSD card on a Kobo Aura HD, I became very interested. I went and did it. The Tolino ROM works fairly well on the Kobo. The Kobo reader has some good features, like Pocket integration. If you put the NST and the Kobo side by side, you can see the improved resolution on the Kobo. But I still prefer the way the NST formats and presents ePub eBooks. I hope I'm wrong, but it seems like B&N is bailing out of the eReader business. That would be sad indeed if it is true.
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Barnes & Noble has decimated their Nook development group.
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Source?
http://www.geekwire.com/2014/layoffs-hit-barnes-nobles-nook-division/
http://www.businessinsider.com/barnes-and-noble-hardware-engineering-staff-2014-2
http://www.techspot.com/news/55625-...arnes-nobles-nook-engineering-department.html
http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/news/end-in-sight-for-nook-following-job-cuts-138724
Renate NST said:
http://www.geekwire.com/2014/layoffs-hit-barnes-nobles-nook-division/
http://www.businessinsider.com/barnes-and-noble-hardware-engineering-staff-2014-2
http://www.techspot.com/news/55625-...arnes-nobles-nook-engineering-department.html
http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/news/end-in-sight-for-nook-following-job-cuts-138724
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Thank you!
New Sony Dpt-S1, 13" reader looks like intersting use of Eink technology. But screen refresh still looks better on Nst with fastmode/norefresh
and PocketBook Cad reader, strong specifications like for eink
13",1 Ghz dual core, android 4.0, 2gb ram...
The take-up probably would have been far quicker had ereaders been cheaper. I'm guessing the biggest cost of an ereader is the eink display itself? Is it really that much more complex in it's design than an lcd that prices seem to be high for most ereaders (i know the technology is different, i mean the manufacturing process costs)? Most people would opt for a tablet as you can get really good ones with beautiful screens (Nook HD for example) for less than the price of a new Kindle, Kobo etc and you can do SO much more than just reading. Yeh, ereaders are easier on the eyes, but i doubt most tablet owners care about that when you add all the other functions of a tablet.
I think ereaders will always continue to exist, and i think as more and more people start using their tablets for reading entire books as opposed to just websites, articles, magazines etc, they're going to look to something that's easier on the eyes and ereaders will always be an excellent option, especially if more less restrictive ones come out that allow you to sync other files as well very easily without having to root them and install apps like dropbox, airdroid etc yourself. Kobo's Pocket for example is a great addition, but far more options to the user would be better, such as choosing which article sync app you wanted, Pocket, Readability, InstaPaper etc. Sync apps should also be the norm such as options to choose between Dropbox, gdrive, etc as well as maybe a basic browser like Opera Mini (mini so you get basic text versions of sites rather than the full sites that ereaders struggle with and output ugly results.
What i'd really like to see is great tablets with all their power, but with the addition of an eink display attached to the back Yeh, it's going to be thicker and slightly heavier but i think it could work. Similar to to Yotaphone, but not as rubbish as the Yotaphone (i read really bad reviews), instead, the eink side would work the same as any other touch screen ereader. You can even have a cover that flips over to cover the backside so only the screen you're looking at is exposed so if you put it down you don't have to worry about scratches. The implementation could be so much easier as well, instead of trying to figure about how you get the image on the eink side (a problem Yota did not fix well), you could just mirror the tablet side exactly, so there's no additional complex software conversions to do, that way if you want to end your web browsing session on your tablet and read a book, just open your ereader app, flip your tablet and read on you eink side and flip pages the way you already do on an ereader via touch.
If i had the money and the know how i would be designing a Tablet/Ereader hybrid like that myself. Had this idea for a long time, but never understood why someone didn't do it (other than the cost). I'm sure there are reasons that others will point out maybe, but i'd much rather buy a Tablet/Ereader hydrid long before i buy the failed SmartPhone/ereader hybrid as the latter is pointless, reading on a small phone even if it is eink is still difficult and makes you strain your eyes.
I think the Nook Simple Touch is really the optimal format in many ways.
6" is a good size for reading reflowable text.
It's not that great for page formatted (i.e. PDF).
It's too bad that B&N cut so many corners.
Not all the delay can be blamed on the eInk itself.
The processor is slow and there isn't a lot of RAM.
It would have been nice if they had gotten the Jorjin chip with Bluetooth.
I can compare navigation speed on large documents using the same reader app (i.e. my new app) on my Nook and my old disused Kyocera Rise cell phone.
The Nook shows as pretty slow.
I agree, it is sad that B&N ruined the Nook e-inks.
Was never (and am still not) a fan of Amazon devices.
E-ink devices are still evolving.
My next e-ink device is getting closer to release. http://www.meetearl.com/
Being full Android KitKat device, it has the options I want and a few extra.
I am not really sure if e-ink is going in or out.
I see contradicting moves out there:
- Best Buy has eliminated all e-ink readers from their (brick and mortar) stores. I went to three of them this past week and only Kindle Paperwhite is present. Their explanation: tablets are replacing them.
- hower: one can see bigger e-ink readers being released, which also have more of their Android base exposed: Onyx Boox M96M Zeus, ICARUS eXceL 9.7". It seems that those producers of ereaders that still want to be in the market add features so that they bring the feature convergence on their side.
I personally love the e-ink displays and would very much like to have a modern phone/tablet using it. Keeping my fingers crossed !