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Hopefully the following article is misinformed (I do also have a Tab)
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/03/honeycomb-to-require-dual-core-processor-initially-tablet-only/
Otherwise we'll have to wait for devs to port Honeycomb to our tabs. Which may very well not happen since few of them have SGTs (and given the news flow they may very well pass it...) plus our hardware may be too limited (Underpowered processor, too small screen resolution) and we may very well want to pass on honeycomb too (If it's only for tabs and not for phones, forget about phone functionalities...)
Anyway let's just hope this is not true (Would hate to have to dump my tab only after 3 months of use...)
It's not like SGT becomes somehow inferior just because there's a new version of Android. It is a great device as it is.
All the more reason for me to justify picking up a Tab 2 when it is released
I love my tab as it is, and I see that there are already improvements to be made through updates to FroYo, so I am not really worried because I am satisfied even with my stock tab now.
Same here - I bought an unactivated vzw tab, and it just does everything I need. If there's a Tab 2 with Honeycomb, I'll look at it, but with my other android devices, the dev community seems to produce better functionality than the vendors do, and I can hopefully skip all the vendor-installed crap with a clean image when that time arrives.
R.I.P.
These are really bad news for us owners.
Maybe I'll switch to iOS devices then. They're running so much smoother compared to android 2.X devices...
We won't see how good the tab with its powervr 540 graphics would perform with proper hardwareacceleration honeycomb will provide.
And that, ladies and gentlemen is why we're all here on XDA......
The way things are looking, unless Google is planning on HC being a tablet only OS, there will be a basic HC OS for phones and an extra feature set that's unlocked for tablets with dual core procs and 1280 X 720 screens. What may happen is that the 7" tablet will essentially be an oversized phone with XDA hacking it so you can use the tablet features on the 7" tablets.
As a Galaxy Tab owner I'm not really that butthurt by this because I can envision having a camera phone and 7" tablet as mobile devices and a wifi only 12" tablet for home use. If the HC tablet features truly require a larger screen, then I'm content with a 7" tablet that more of a mobile device.
I am a big fan of the 16:9 screen dimension. Better for movies and better for mutli-pane implementation.
The worry I have is this will just cut the spread of SGT buyers. If we end up with a device not very popular and with a small customer/devs base you can forget about any dream of good custom roms or app developments
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HTC is rumored to be releasing a 7" tablet, and the SGT has sold millions in a short amount of time. Unlike the iPhone, there was no carrier based reason to purchase the SGT over the iPad, but people did, in large part due to the form factor. I suspect that the 7" tab will not go away.
LOL, Any body want to sell their antiquated Galaxy Tab?
I've been looking to get one on AT&T or T-Mo... a trade for a mint 16GB iPhone4 perhaps???
FUD
There are no mins for Gingerbread, and IF there are any for Honeycomb, the community devs will pull apart what is a good update for the GTab and cook it up.
Honestly if you are worried, start a fund to get a tab into more dev hands...
lets not forget these are claims and have not been officialy confirmed by Google themselves yet... we still have hope. i don't think Samsung will just abandon us like this. they will probably be expecting to release their next sucessor to the tab in september. honeycomb will come out before then, and hopefully the update will be pushed out to us. the gtab was made in mind to be upgradable to Honeycomb. much like the HD2 was made to be upgradable to WP7... but that never happened.
only time will tell if we get the update.
lets not forget these are claims and have not been officialy confirmed by Google themselves yet... we still have hope. i don't think Samsung will just abandon us like this. they will probably be expecting to release their next sucessor to the tab in september. honeycomb will come out before then, and hopefully the update will be pushed out to us. the gtab was made in mind to be upgradable to Honeycomb. much like the HD2 was made to be upgradable to WP7... but that never happened.
only time will tell if we get the update.
Eh...it's only bad news if you don't like your Tab the way it is now. So it's not bad news for me, it's just more news.
What is bad is how all of a sudden there are so many deals for people to get these Galaxy Tabs. That had dramaticly reduced the cost. My guess that are getting rid of invintory. And it seems this is going on before CES. Just my view
What deals? That $100 Verizon price drop? Good luck finding a Verizon store that will sell one for $500 no-contract, it's a rumor and not official, at least not yet.
The T-Mobile $349 on a 2-year? That's not a price reduction, it's a little lubrication for the contract buttsecks. The Best Buy and Amazon sales? Short term holiday traffic generators. The UK/Euro price drops? Those were adjustments to bring the device in line with US pricing once the North American Tabs were released.
Lets not forget economy of scale, the more they make and sell, the cheaper each individual unit becomes to produce, and they can (and often do) lower prices over the life of a product to reflect this.
As for Honeycomb, Asus just announced a 7" Honeycomb tablet with 1024x600 resolution, so that part of the specs rumor is busted right away.
And any way you slice it, we're looking at March at the very least for a Honeycomb tablet explosion*. That's six months after the Tab launched. That's six months of awesome Tab usage before you should start to get the urge to replace it.
The alternative would have been to do without for six months. Life is too short for holding out for the next best thing...buying the best thing you can now is almost always a better bet.
*The Motorola tablet may launch before then, but frankly, I don't give a DAMN about the Motorola tablet, because it's a 10" device and I don't want one of those.
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The alternative would have been to do without for six months. Life is too short for holding out for the next best thing...buying the best thing you can now is almost always a better bet.
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The alternative would have been to do without for six months. Life is too short for holding out for the next best thing...buying the best thing you can now is almost always a better bet.
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No truer words have been spoken.
You can play the waiting game forever. By the time the Honeycomb tablets are finally in the wild, the next generation tablet hardware / software will already be announced. At some point you just got to buy.
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I just got a tablet running Samsung S5PV210 and I do hope it would be upgrade to honeycomb. The tablet run Android 2.2 OS currently, and its hardware specs. as following on the site where I picked up.
I'm going to contact with the vendor and ask for certain upgrade info.
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As for Honeycomb, Asus just announced a 7" Honeycomb tablet with 1024x600 resolution, so that part of the specs rumor is busted right away.
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I also believe that one of the announced Asus tablets with Honeycomb also has a 1Ghz snapdragon so that busts the Dual Core requirement too.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/03/honeycomb-to-require-dual-core-processor-initially-tablet-only/
http://www.androidtablets.net/forum...-have-minimum-specs-require-hd-dual-core.html
Not confirmed but.. still bad news..(at least for the long term as I suspect if the requirements are this high it will be a long time before developers develop specifically to that platform)
I have to say, I would be very surprised if that were the case. There is so much information flying around at the moment, I refuse to believe anything until it's confirmed.
Having the specs too high when so many people are converting to Android would be counter productive and risks splitting their market base. Not everyone (in fact, I would say fairly few) is able or willing to upgrade their phone and it's hardware every year in order to keep up with software.
Well, I say: let's cross the Honeycomb bridge after paying a visit to the Gingerbread man
I think Gingerbread will make this a much better alrounder than it already is. I have a feeling honeycomb will have the "Windows Vista" effect and then they'll start streamlining the programming again, without the fluff... Giving us the Android equivalent of Win7, but that's my opinion only
I have to admit that when I read this yesterday I was a bit disappointed. If this is in fact the case I will be highly upset due to the fact the honeycomb is supposedly the more "tablet specific" OS so lets hope that this is not the case
I 100% agree... It would be foolish for Google to introduce what would be a new platform and not build on what market penetration they have already with the phones (in other words they need to pull a play from Apple's playbook)
Why I dont believe this is true:
If the tablet comes in with minimums that are higher then the fastest supported phone platform OR the API changes enough that current apps break or future application development changes significantly it will be a very long adoption process. If the prices is the same or higher than the iPAD it will be a huge failure in the short term.
Dont get me wrong I love to see higher specs and newer more robust APIs as the experience will be much better for the consumer but reality is people buy these type of devices based on the number of apps that run on them. As you can see Apple kept to this strategy and has had record sales of their iPAD and will continue to... This approach with the lead unfortunately will be very difficult to overcomb - especially for the masses (us geeks are a different story but success of products depend on the masses not us geeks)
PLUS if they do change the API why havnt they released it to developers.. There is always a ramp up. Take Microsoft for example there is no larger community then the .Net developer community --- and only 5000 apps in all these weeks?
So again, why I dont believe its true:
Very Risky Option --- . Companies like to show huge profits and like less risk.. Apple has achieved a great balance with their phone/tablet products.
But this is Google (Young, Hip, Has a huge stash of cash, arrogant, etc.) ... So see below:
Events that leads me to believe that this IS true:
1. Google doesn't officially allow any tablets to access market place. "Current platform not optimized for tablet use" --- this BS as we can all see. The APIs fully support tablets with 2.2.
2. GalaxyTab released with Market ONLY for Cell model - WIFI only model delayed --- Why delayed?? NO reason technically. No work on WIFI model.. Hmmmm
2.5 Samsung announces v2 of the Galaxy will be Tegra based. (just added)
3. Who from the competitive companies (Toshiba, Vizio, Motorola, MSI, Acer, Asus, etc.) who have announced a new tablet coming in 2011, announce that their platform of choice IS NOT Tegra based?? Who who??? I haven't seen anyone. Why? - No one else has a dual core ready.
4. All Tegra based tablets have 512 meg ram --- Hmmm why? Its unnecessary for the platform (all you linux heads know what I mean). I see this as a nice to have. And for those you screaming that this is why the Archos is limited/poor performing -- use the iPAD.. It's interface/applications scream speed and the iPAD only has 256 Meg of ram (and guess what its using a Linux Kernel)
5. Tegra 2 is dual core ---- See 4..
6. Hush hush... Doesn't make sense why Google who "is an open source company" would keep the minimum specs/sdetails on this build so secretive... No leaks from vendors either... Nothing... I have more information on the iPAD 2 than Honeycomb.
7. New companies eLocity, etc. are coming out of the gate using an expensive chip as their first run??? Profit Profit Prof it is key to any new company.. If it would work on a lesser chip they would gone there first..
Simple fun to speculate either way though..
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I have to say, I would be very surprised if that were the case. There is so much information flying around at the moment, I refuse to believe anything until it's confirmed.
Having the specs too high when so many people are converting to Android would be counter productive and risks splitting their market base. Not everyone (in fact, I would say fairly few) is able or willing to upgrade their phone and it's hardware every year in order to keep up with software.
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As long as we're able to eventually root the device and get a custom ROM installed I wouldn't worry about it. I had a G1 prior to my Nexus One phone. Installing Cyanogenmod on the G1 made the phone much more usable then the vanilla ROM that it came with. The custom ROM guys love to backport the newer stuff for older devices.
http://twitter.com/morrildl/status/12380827807653888
No minimums?
That's GingerBread, not Honeycomb.
Asus just demoed their EEPad guess what? Honeycomb tablet NOT running Tegra 2... Dont fret though.... Its using the Qualcom dual core processor... (Note the dual core processor)... Its out in June at 499..
This bothers me due to the fact that I just returned the GTab (the screen is terrible) and should have my 70 tab tomorrow or Thursday, wtf.
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See it this way... with the 70 you will have many many many many months of enjoyment before you are forced to upgrade. Even if Honeycomb comes out tomorrow I highly doubt there will be any proprietary/optimized applications for the OS. You wont see Honeycomb optimized applications till the 3rd or 4 quarter and applications will not use the dual core probably till later next year (though since the applications run through a JVM is is conceivable the JVM will have the added benefit of brining true multi threading without the developer needing to know how to implement the multi-threading)
Net net is... I still think the GTablet/Archos line of products are short term fixes for a need... the long term fix comes 2nd half when all tablets are out the market.. next year until we get hardware that is at a reasonable price.
Not for nothing if they come in at or around the 500 or 600 mark... Why wouldn't I get a IPAD 2(talking from my wifes point of view)?
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This bothers me due to the fact that I just returned the GTab (the screen is terrible) and should have my 70 tab tomorrow or Thursday, wtf.
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See it this way... with the 70 you will have many many many many months of enjoyment before you are forced to upgrade. Even if Honeycomb comes out tomorrow I highly doubt there will be any proprietary/optimized applications for the OS. You wont see Honeycomb optimized applications till the 3rd or 4 quarter and applications will not use the dual core probably till later next year (though since the applications run through a JVM is is conceivable the JVM will have the added benefit of brining true multi threading without the developer needing to know how to implement the multi-threading)
Net net is... I still think the GTablet/Archos line of products are short term fixes for a need... the long term fix comes 2nd half when all tablets are out the market.. next year until we get hardware that is at a reasonable price.
Not for nothing if they come in at or around the 500 or 600 mark... Why wouldn't I get a IPAD 2(talking from my wifes point of view)?
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Indeed, thanx for the positive outlook, it will be a fun toy, and its not hard on check book either! Like it will be the last tab I ever buy or something.
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Well... after seeing some of the demos and the units which have Honeycomb I can honestly say with some level of confidence that
1. HoneyComb will most certainly be a tablet only OS - I think this is a horrible approach. This will just splinter the development with Phones always having the priority as there are more of them. Apple did it right having the base OS the same and leaving the difference up to the developers on which form factor to target for their app (Microsoft is doing the same if you have ever developed on the new mobile,desktop or gaming platform you know what I mean)
2. It will most certainly require dual core. Everything is a dual core even the EEPAD (not tegra based) that has been talked about that will run Honeycomb...
Positive is Archos will drop in price in a few weeks once pre-orders start for these devices...
Now I want to see what move apple makes... (they will most certainly wait to hear HoneyComb release date and some prices)..
ASUS Eee Pad MeMO:
•BXL Qualcomm Snapdragon 8260 1.2Ghz
Motorola XOOM with no Button (back, home, menu, ect..)
All kind nearly with our cheap Archos... nothing to worry about Honeycomb... just how long they do ^_^
Not so bad now.
I just read on n-tv that a google developer said there will be no hard requirements like screen sizes or cpu cores for Android 3.0.
Thing is, with only 256 MiByte of Ram the Archos will most likely have to be modded to run it. Like adding swap space and overclock.
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It will install.. but will it run... I can install Windows Vista on an old 386... takes 2 days to install... but it boots.. and "technical runs"
Kashban said:
Not so bad now.
I just read on n-tv that a google developer said there will be no hard requirements like screen sizes or cpu cores for Android 3.0.
Thing is, with only 256 MiByte of Ram the Archos will most likely have to be modded to run it. Like adding swap space and overclock.
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as predicted, total BS
https://twitter.com/#!/morrildl/status/22845294886518785
#dejavu Random note: there's no hard minimum processor requirement for Honeycomb. Trust me, if there were I'd know.
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See this -->http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10375484&postcount=16
czesiu said:
as predicted, total BS
https://twitter.com/#!/morrildl/status/22845294886518785
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It will install.. but will it run... I can install Windows Vista on an old 386... takes 2 days to install... but it boots.. and "technical runs"
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Actually, you can't do that. There are hard minimums for supported architecture.
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Actually, you can't do that. There are hard minimums for supported architecture.
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burn. just saying.
Im mad about this 2011 tablet status.... i thought they where going to settle so apps will run anywhere with icecream sandwich but when it comes out we will have 4 diferent processors.
Nvidia in the tech demo for kal-el they say "using nvidia dualcore is to sloooow " i mean wtf!? its not even 3 months after they released it and its old now? my problem its not that the xoom is getting old my problem is that when this quadcore comes out we will end up having only 10 apps for tegra because people will start developing for the new tegra.
Also theres the other processors coming out...how will they manage to make apps compatible will all of them? will we have like an app store for tegra, then for snapdragon,etc.
Im not angry it happens all the time with tech and i get it that they have to move on. But isnt this making it worst for app developers and users.
ps. sorry for my bad english...im learning
The situation with android tablets isn't anything to worry about.
It's really no different than the PC world where there are at any given time multiple generations of PCs out there, which developers use the tools of a standard API (in the PC's case, DirectX or OpenGL) to scale the performance across the target platforms.
Since everything PC is x86, unless you're -really- trying to squeeze every bit of performance out of your game, or unless a company has paid you to target their specific GPU/CPU's extensions, you don't have to worry about specific architecture.
On Android tablets, everything is ARM in one flavor or another, and you're writing to OpenGL ES 2.0. You'll be able to use specific extensions in OpenGL ES to target newer rendering features so you can scale up your graphics for newer GPUs, but since it's a standard API, you should be able to have one apk for all target platforms.
The premiere game engine for Android, Unity, makes this especially easy.
tl:dr don't worry, newer games will still work on your Xoom after the next generation tegra/OMAP/whatever come out. You just might not have all the rendering features in the game.
You are becoming familiar with whats known as Moores Law (linky). We are in a time where it is accelerating very rapidly. And what seems to us like great strides are actually very small in the grand scheme of transistors. Primarily because we have been so used to getting a new processor every 1-2 years on a desktop scale for the past 15 years, with small .1 ghz improvements farther in the past, too recent additions of whole processor cores.
Pretty much, unless you have tons of $ to drop on devices, you will no longer be able to stay cutting edge for long, (+/-6 months of growth for new platforms to hit the market). Especially in the hot world of mobile devices.
You can almost count on the day the release the QuadCore NVidia or OMAP chips, that 6 months down the road is a new chip that A) Has More Power B)Uses less Power C)Cost less - Pick two - that will be the new "in thing" for mobile.
Kcarpenter is dead on.
Tablets are even more hot right now because companies have seen how well Apple is doing with the iPad.
They want a piece of the market-share, so are throwing lots and lots of R&D dollars at newer, better, faster tablet tech.
Honestly, there is only a small handful of good looking games/apps made for 3.1. Devs should take advantage of the current gen single core phones/tegra 2 before moving on to quad core. It's probably going to be like the pc, it takes awhile for devs to actually take ADVANTAGE of the hardware. I still boot up some games and they only max out a few threads out of my core i7.
tl;dr: You have at least a 8 months - 1 year on the xoom.
I think it's more market forces than Moore's Law. The tablet platform is wide open, and no company wants to get left behind. Unlike the desktop where Intel had a lock on the x86, many competitors are gunning for SoC slot. Nothing revs up a product cycle faster than the threat of competition.
It's the same for device vendors and OS vendors. Take Microsoft. It took them 6 years to go from XP to Vista, and 3 years to Win7, for really fairly minor evolutionary changes. Why? Because they had no competition. We'll see how fast Ballmer can make his EGRs dance, now with his Windows cash cow on a hook. I'd be shocked if Win8 doesn't show up by next year.
Some MS dude is supposed to give a "state of Windows" address soonish at Computex. We'll see what tidbits he can serve up. From the rumor mill, it sounds like MS want to go the Apple route, buying Nokia's phone biz for 19 bils, and dictating what hardware vendors can build.
Likewise, I'd be shocked if Moto & co won't have a refresh to their line-ups this year. The Xoom never sold well, and sales won't get any better. (The eBay thing is probably to clear out inventories.) Back-to-school and Xmas are the two largest buying seasons of the year. There'll be many shiny new toys for kiddies to ask Santa for.
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Im mad about this 2011 tablet status.... i thought they where going to settle so apps will run anywhere with icecream sandwich but when it comes out we will have 4 diferent processors.
Nvidia in the tech demo for kal-el they say "using nvidia dualcore is to sloooow " i mean wtf!? its not even 3 months after they released it and its old now? my problem its not that the xoom is getting old my problem is that when this quadcore comes out we will end up having only 10 apps for tegra because people will start developing for the new tegra.
Also theres the other processors coming out...how will they manage to make apps compatible will all of them? will we have like an app store for tegra, then for snapdragon,etc.
Im not angry it happens all the time with tech and i get it that they have to move on. But isnt this making it worst for app developers and users.
ps. sorry for my bad english...im learning
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Nvidia is a hardware manufacturer and they are betting the farm on Tegra. If you look at their roadmap they are aiming to make each new version of Tegra obsolete within less than a year of it being released. They want to maintain a high demand for the latest and greatest chips and they can't do that with just incremental improvements (see the current state of PC gaming).
Tech demos are always going to push the limits but most games are going to aim lower. Most will target Tegra 2 and add features if Tegra 3 is available.
@Zanshin Thank you for the explanation on architecture. I posted a question on another thread here asking if this situation has the potential to become a true successor to the PC market, with all kinds of machines running *basically the same Android OS; from many price/quality brackets. What are your thoughts?
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@Zanshin Thank you for the explanation on architecture. I posted a question on another thread here asking if this situation has the potential to become a true successor to the PC market, with all kinds of machines running *basically the same Android OS; from many price/quality brackets. What are your thoughts?
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I'm guessing that Ice Cream Sandwich is a step in that direction.
One OS for tablets and phones and GoogleTV sounds like an attempt to bring write-once, run anywhere to developers, which is what will allow the ecosystem to grow unrestrained.
As much interest as there is in Android, there really aren't that many developers taking it seriously. I expect that'll change if ICS is what I think it will be.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/01/microsoft-reveals-arm-powered-windows-8-prototypes/
already prototypes of the newer tegra procs oh no
Also, keep in mind that Tegra 2 is last year technology. It's not just "a few months old".
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/02/nvidia-kal-el-development-platform-hands-on-video/
Tech buyer is a catch 22, and it is people like us who power it.
We buy hot new tech Product 1 with a hot new Mach 2 processor. We have now identified ourselves as the sort of person who will buy hot new gadgets. However we already bought this one, so they can't make more money from us...or can they?
They use the money we paid them to create hotter, newer Product 2 with a hotter, newer Mach 4 processor...and some new screen voodoo...and less weight. They ramp up the hype knowing the same things that made us buy Product 1 will make us buy Product 2 and feed into that same hype, making Product 2 a must have product, even for people who resisted Product 1. "LOOK...Even people who bought Product 1 are eager to buy Product 2!! They must know something..we must ALL need one!!!!" Our embracing of something ensures that it will be replaced by a better version in a year.
Who has made this process into an art form?
Well...replace the work Product with iPad....
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Not sure if there is any truth to this, but check out this article from Android Police and judge for yourself:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...-day-one-7-tablet-support-bug-fixes-and-more/
looks good, if it is anything like that describe it.
It should make the xoom soooo much better.
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looks good, if it is anything like that describe it.
It should make the xoom soooo much better.
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Really? Because I didn't get that impression at all from the article. The impression I got is that it adds support to smaller devices, qualcom processors and an update to the video editing app. That doesn't really qualify as "soooo much better" in my mind.
It took just a couple mouse clicks and I was able to learn that 3.2 is for the smaller (e.g. 7") screen and 3.1 is for the larger (e.g. 10") screen tablets, beyond that there is no significant difference.
Remember.......Google is your friend.
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I guess if it is true, at least it'd get us closer to the possibility of source code being released since they would have taken care of the smaller tablet size porting issue.
From the ThisIsMyNext post, the main benefit is different res & CPU support (well, QualComm at least). It supposedly also improves "hardware acceleration," which would be a perk for existing Teg2 devices. But apparently, any substantive improvement will come in ICS.
My impression is that HC is a ICS beta, released early so that Android vendors can establish a tablet market this year against the iPad juggernaut. One wonders if that means ICS can at least make Q4, or if it will miss the Xmas shopping season altogether. If it's pushed to 2012, and assuming Win8 beta gets good reception come Sept, Android may have a steeper path to adoption than envisioned.
There is nothing "to die for" in the upgrade...
3.1 wasn't a major upgrade either, but it was still welcomed. As it stands, 3.1 is still a mixed bag, which is born out in lackluster sales. 3.2 reportedly will be in time for back-to-school, and hopefully will make Android tabs presentable enough to be a viable competitor to the iPad.
"As for timing, we’re told that current tablets like the Motorola Xoom will get the update in the “next few weeks,” with new seven-inch tablet hardware to follow in August."
here we go with the term next few weeks...
its going to be next few months again before we even sees it..
Ok - that's great - we don't know what other additions are thrown in to 3.2 but the major thing is support for more processors and smaller sized screens - knowing Google they have probably thrown in heaps of other little minor changes...
like 3.1 which was touted as loads of bugfixes? then throw in that usb host and xbox controller goodness and bluetooth mouse stuff...
let's just wait and see what officially gets announced as 'fixed' or 'upgraded' in the 3.2 announcements...
also is this the first time an Android OS has gone through three (major?) revisions, from 3.0 (-> 3.0.1) -> 3.1 -> 3.2
I think if I recall wasn't Eclair 2.0 and 2.1 ?
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Not sure if there is any truth to this, but...
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This should have been the title of your thread. Or, perhaps more accurately, "I didn't bother to research this because I care much more about being the first to post hearsay than about the validity of my posts."
I think we can assume this is pretty well confirmed, due to the recent announcements of 7 inch Honeycomb tablets by Huawei and Acer. 3.2 seems to be basically a maintenance release aimed at setting up the infrastructure for ICS. Google needed to get the 7 inch tablets on the same version as the 10 inchers so that they can focus on phone integration in ICS.
However the news is not all 7 inch focused. I think hardware acc. improvements is good news for the Xoom and other larger tablets and I am sure there will be general improvements and performance tweaks. I would expect to see other fixes related to the recent movie rental abilities of non-rooted tablets.
While not a world shaking update it will be welcome to US Xoomers, and I for one am already looking acquisitively at the 7 inch Iconia tablets running HC3.2 that Acer has announced.
As for Euro Xoom users, can we hope that Moto decided to just jump 3.1 and focus on a 3.2 Euro update?
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Nah, me neither.
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As for Euro Xoom users, can we hope that Moto decided to just jump 3.1 and focus on a 3.2 Euro update?
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I'm sure that line will be bandied about but I don't know if there's any truth in it. Tbh, I'm sure BRD and the rest of Team Tiamat will have the update ready for us before Moto even think about a Euro release. /sigh.
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This should have been the title of your thread. Or, perhaps more accurately, "I didn't bother to research this because I care much more about being the first to post hearsay than about the validity of my posts."
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Nice contribution to the thread.
I had the A100 on my radar since 10" is too large for my preference, but its announced specs were disappointing. It has half the RAM (512MB vs 1GB), half the storage (8GB vs 16GB), and half the battery capacity (1530mAh vs 3260mAh) of the A500.
http://www.blognotes.in/compare-acer-iconia-tab-a100-vs-iconia-tab-a500/
At USD$350, it's only $50 less than the Asus TF, which for the Acer brand is grossly overpriced. Acer's waffling Android support is also worrying. It's going for the shotgun approach and sees what sticks, releasing a ChromeOS laptop and a Win7 (Iconia W500) tablet at the same time. Yet it has cut its tablet sales projection by 60% for 2011. Not exactly a vote of confidence in Android.
Another downer is that when it comes out in Q3, the Tegra 2 will be close to the end of its short life cycle. And if ICS shows up in Q4, then it's a triple-whammy of outdated hardware & OS, and halfhearted vendor support. Imagine getting a Teg2 in Jul/Aug, and 3 months later, ICS pops out the chute with the quadcores in tow.
I suppose it boils down to whether it serves one's immediate needs. But too many consumers will buy into these things expecting continued support, and disappointment then ensues, as to wit here.
Weirdly enough, I'm actually looking forward to seeing the Vizio 8" specs, as I like the 4:3 format anyway. If it sports 1024x768 with 3.2 and anything other than the Teg2, it's on my short list.
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I had the A100 on my radar since 10" is too large for my preference, but its announced specs were disappointing. It has half the RAM (512MB vs 1GB), half the storage (8GB vs 16GB), and half the battery capacity (1530mAh vs 3260mAh) of the A500.
http://www.blognotes.in/compare-acer-iconia-tab-a100-vs-iconia-tab-a500/
At USD$350, it's only $50 less than the Asus TF, which for the Acer brand is grossly overpriced. Acer's waffling Android support is also worrying. It's going for the shotgun approach and sees what sticks, releasing a ChromeOS laptop and a Win7 (Iconia W500) tablet at the same time. Yet it has cut its tablet sales projection by 60% for 2011. Not exactly a vote of confidence in Android.
Another downer is that when it comes out in Q3, the Tegra 2 will be close to the end of its short life cycle. And if ICS shows up in Q4, then it's a triple-whammy of outdated hardware & OS, and halfhearted vendor support. Imagine getting a Teg2 in Jul/Aug, and 3 months later, ICS pops out the chute with the quadcores in tow.
I suppose it boils down to whether it serves one's immediate needs. But too many consumers will buy into these things expecting continued support, and disappointment then ensues, as to wit here.
Weirdly enough, I'm actually looking forward to seeing the Vizio 8" specs, as I like the 4:3 format anyway. If it sports 1024x768 with 3.2 and anything other than the Teg2, it's on my short list.
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The Vizio is an interesting option...since I really want something in the 7ish size bracket and the Galaxy Tab and HTC Flyer strike me as steps back in terms of OS with 2.2 and 2.3.
As for Huawei....I have too much experience with Huawei's build quality across their overstretched industries to actually pay my own money for their products.
I'm sure the GalTab 7" will be updated for this year, as Samsung is all-in for the Android effort. Ditto HTC. Once 3.2 hits, I think we'll see new products (or updates) from both.
It's the PC vendors like Asus, Dell, and Acer that Android is more of an iffy proposition. They have strong existing relationships with Microsoft, and will likely be Win8 launch partners. If I were in their shoes, I'd be biding my time for Win8--if its schedule doesn't slip of course.
Huawei...reportedly the 7" is going through carrier channels only. Not a mass-market item. It has no presence in the US anyway.
Motorola will probably say they were waiting for the 3.2 release before pushing an update out to the 3.0.1 non-US models....
although you'd start to hope that 3.2 actually comes out with the sdcard fix by now - in a few more months its not going to be worth it with ICS coming out probably with, like the rest of the 3.x tablets, a working sdcard slot
The Xoom will get 3.2 in the "next few weeks".
As for timing, we’re told that current tablets like the Motorola Xoom will get the update in the “next few weeks,” with new seven-inch tablet hardware to follow in August. We’ll also have to wait and see how this will affect the Ice Cream Sandwich rollout — with Android updates coming this fast we’re finding it a bit hard to believe that Google will be able to stick to its upgrade promises, but we’re all for being proven wrong.
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http://thisismynext.com/2011/06/20/...ummer-seven-inch-tablets-qualcomm-processors/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/21/android-3-2-shipping-this-summer-for-7-inch-tablets-huaweis-me/
Hopefully 3.2 includes a fix to email integration with Exchange ActiveSync that got broken in 3.1. If thats all I get out of the 3.2 update, I'll be happy...
I was hoping that Samsung would at least announce their next 10.1" tablet at CES. That would've given me a reason to not keep the Prime, or wait for the Prime HD.
Just because they didn't announce it doesn't mean they're not working on it.
Secondly all these Crapple lawsuits may have Sammy keeping their lips sealed tight for the time being on what can and can't they release.
W/ that said the new Tegra 3 Asus 7" for $240 USD looks damn nice.
I have no doubt they're probably working on their next 10.1 tablet, but still, some word would've been nice.
And yes, I'm definitely getting two of the Memos. One for traveling and one for my sis. I think this Tegra3 tablet stole the Asus show (assuming it will be out soon and prices won't change).
Samsung went gangbusters this past 1/4. They have a lot going on with Android and it is only getting better. Why do you think they hire people like cyanogen?
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Samsung went gangbusters this past 1/4. They have a lot going on with Android and it is only getting better. Why do you think they hire people like cyanogen?
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True... S2, Gnex, Note, GT7.7, 8.9 (Did 7.0+ come out this quarter also?)
They've been busy for sure. I agree with the OP it would have been nice to see somthing, but I have no doubt Sammy has a few tricks up their sleeve. Wonder which Samsung tab will get ICS first?
Hopefully the 7.0+ or 10.1. But with that said I think the 8.9 needs it most. Honeycomb runs worst on it from what I've seen.
It will also be interesting to see the Ipad junior as I have no doubt Apple will be pushing their 8" line soon. 8" tabs just seem to be perfect for me.
The truth is, Samsung released a lot of new stuff this quarter, and their showing at CES was impressive. The thing is, it focused mainly on other applications, (TVs, Washers, Dryers, and services.) Samsung has been making massive waves with its other devices, but they never want to scuttle sales of the ones currently on the market. Samsung is undoubtedly working on a Tegra 3 tablet, but they're probably going to wait on releasing it for a few reasons;
1. Releases at CES often tend to get buried in the insanity of it all. It's a trade show, so everyone is showing off their latest and greatest, and it's hard to grab everyone's attention and hold on to it. This is necessary to create anticipation for a device. You only need to look at Samsung's releases of the Nexus S, Galaxy Tabs, and the Galaxy Nexus to realize that they always manage to generate excitement by making sure their device is released at a time when people can pay attention.
2. Samsung doesn't always make it to the market first, but when they do arrive, they tend to dominate. The Galaxy Tab 10.1 wasn't the first Tegra 2 device or the first Honeycomb tablet, in fact it was the 4th to the market. This delay allowed them to avoid some of the quality issues that plagued the other tablets. It also allowed them to release a tablet that managed to become the acknowledged benchmark for Android tablets. I'm sure the Tegra 3 variant of the Tabs will be just as showstopping.
3. It has only been 6 months since the release of the 10.1 If they were to unveil a tablet now, it would destroy the sales of the current line of devices, even though the release of the production model of the Samsung Tegra 3 device would possibly be a few months away.
4. Samsung, being a device manufacturer, may be working on shoehorning more impressive technologies into their next-gen Galaxy Tab. If the 7.7 is any indication of their direction, we may be seeing a 10.1 with one of their awesome new Super OLED screens that they have been using in their new TVs.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, be patient, (as hard as it may be for all of us.) Samsung rarely disappoints when it comes to product releases, and I'm sure their "favorite child" Galaxy Tab series will be getting something amazing in the coming months.
They probably didin't announce at ICS for two reasons:
1) To avoid getting lost in all the clutter.
2) They have the resources to hold their own mega-event. I'm guessing they'll wait until right before or right after the iPad3 launch event.
All the tablet announcements at CES were pretty lame. Especially compared to the leaked specs of the 11.6. Based on that, Samsung's next-gen tab is the only legitimate competitor to the iPad3. The question for me isn't when it's going to be announced, but when it's going to be released. Hopefully they’re following Apple’s playbook and will have it available shortly after it’s announced.
I'm assuming they're waiting to unveil their tabs/phones at MWC (2/27) since that's dedicated to mobile. Can't wait to see what they've got.
Big disappointment was no announcement of ics...
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Big disappointment was no announcement of ics...
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It is a big disappointment that they did not announce something they have ALREADY announced?
Confused.
Like they have announced elsewhere on tiny twitter or something. People like me don't follow micro blogging so no way on earth would I have known. A vague announcement of sometime in the first half... yeah that's a lot info to mark on my calendar.
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Id actually prefer if they didn't release any new tablets for awhile because then they'll support us longer. When samsung releases the next galaxy tab line, our support will probably be over kind of like the galaxy tab (original) was when this came out or galaxy s when the s II came out.
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I hope they release their next tablet with their own processor... I'm over anything Tegra based.
I personally think samsung havent made any announcement regarding any tegra 3 replacement of SGT is because they probably wanted to use their own Exynos chipset. And I hope to god that this is the case. Coming out with a Tegra 3 device will just make Samsung unable to differentiate from their other competitor. As well as they get to push their own technology rather then depend on Nvidia
I'm betting they will show it MWC. It is rumored to have an Exynos. Forgot where i read it but at this point its just speculation.
My only disappointment comes from XDA being used as a sounding board for whining. How pointless.
Looking forward to a Tegra 3 ICS Samsung tablet.
Will be selling my iPad 1 soon in anticipation. I have been suitably impressed by a recent Nexus S purchase (first Samsung phone) and really want to go Sammy/Android for my next tablet.
Cheers.
It won't be Teg3. Since 3.2 was released with support for non-Teg processors, Samsung hasn't used one. The 8.9 LTE is Qualcomm and the 7+ is Exynos.
Here's an online article from Know your Mobile...
The 11.6-inch Galaxy Tab, according to reports, will launch on Android 4.0 and feature a truly staggering 2560x1600 resolution display, which well and truly kicks Apple’s Retina Display out of the park. Other notable spec, according to BGR, is the device’s ultra-powerful dual-core Exynos 5250 CPU that is reportedly clocked at 2GHz.
We’ve also heard talk of Android Beam – Google’s version of Apple’s AirPlay – coming as standard, as well as a novel wireless docking mode for gaming on HD TV sets. All in all this sounds like one impressive slate – we look forward to seeing it (either at CES 2012 next week or at MWC 2012 in February).
11.6 inch.....drool!
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The current line was introduced between CES and MWC 2011. So if there's going to be a new line then expect it to be at or around the MWC date.