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Display - Pretty good but not nearly as great as the iPad's.. nor is it as bright as the iPad. Pixel density looks A LOT like the iPad.. I can't really say the Xoom is any sharper than the iPad.. Whites look much better on the iPad.. they definately have a much higher color gamut and contrast ratio on the iPad. This is disappointing considering how much the Xoom costs off-contract. The Xoom screen looks nearly identical to what Samsung uses on their Galaxy Tab 7". Viewing angles are "decent" but again, not as good as iPad. I would say they are using a cheap PVA type panel, not IPS on this unit. PVA is still much better than TN at least.
Weight - Same weight as iPad.. so to me, it feels too heavy for it's size... but I think the Xoom is much easier to hang onto/hold because of it's widescreen nature'd body.
Speed - Depending on apps I guess.. or how optimized they are.. Angry Birds Seasons (the tablet version) runs like crap compared to Angry Birds on my Galaxy Tab.. not sure why.. Web browsing is a real treat.. Definately renders web sites faster than the iPad.. content is ready to explore at a much faster pace.. However, scrolling isn't as nice as it is on the iPad.. I don't know why Android can't get scrolling anywhere near iOS's Safari. Scrolling is choppy and clunky depending on how many pictures are needed to be shown on the screen at one time. Quadrant scores LOWER than my Galaxy Tab.. Could be Quadrant's not optimized well enough for the Tegra2 platform.
Battery Life - I will have to edit this in later.. my Xoom came out of the box with 77% life..
Interface/UI - I actually like Honeycombs UI.. the quick-softkeys are delightful to use.. especially to multitask with.. Flying between apps is instantaneous and snappy.. much faster than iPad's multitasking.
Speakers - Horrible placement.. they project all sound away from you being on the rear of the device when you're holding the Xoom.. so everybody else hears MORE than what you're hearing.. Otherwise they sound pretty good.. I would say as good as iPad.. and even louder.
Data Connectivity - Verizon 3g on the Xoom FLIES.. I've gotten over 2mb down and over 1mb up.. the modem chip inside the Xoom must be pretty exceptional.. my Galaxy S phone (also on Verizon) barely gets over 1mb down and about 600-700kbps up. Wifi on the other hand seems weak.. my connection is constantly dropping to my home's Wifi connection.. and the Wifi router is just 1 room away :/
Interesting Tid-Bits
The built-in "Chrome" Browser is GPU accelerated.. resulting in much smoother/faster rendering/scrolling.. When installing a 3rd party Browser like Dolphin HD, the web browsing experience plummets, which reminds you of your first Android powered phone and browser.. slow rendering and horrible, choppy scrolling. So with this said, if an app isn't taking advantage of the Tegra2 SOC, don't expect much performance.. this probably also explains the crappy framerates you get when running Quadrant.
I'll post more later.. going back to playing with the Xoom.
the ac adapter ... does it support the european voltages (between 220-240 volt)
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the ac adapter ... does it support the european voltages (between 220-240 volt)
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Hey Diversion, have you noticed any Force Closes, I wouldn't say an abnormal amount, but anything significant since you've been using it?
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Hey Diversion, have you noticed any Force Closes, I wouldn't say an abnormal amount, but anything significant since you've been using it?
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I had a few in the browser, but i had about 5 tabs open of nothing buy pictures.
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Hey Diversion, have you noticed any Force Closes, I wouldn't say an abnormal amount, but anything significant since you've been using it?
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Nope, not a single Force Close yet today.. The first time I opened the Market it said my Market was "Out of date" but after closing out and going back in, all was well.
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I had a few in the browser, but i had about 5 tabs open of nothing buy pictures.
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I haven't gone more than 2 tabs in the browser so far.. i'll open a lot more windows and see if I can get mine to FC.
Thanks buddy, I appreciate it. So far i'm imperssed, honestly. I think it's a solid device. Worth 800 bucks? Probably not, but over 18 months, what the hell, I can afford to be an early adopter. I may invest in an anti glare screen. I can't tell if it's so nice looking that its glassy, or so poorly implemented that its a glare magnent, lol.
Either way, i'm happy with my investment, and I really hope google puts a lot of attention to fixing bugs and any other issues with Honeycomb.
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Thanks buddy, I appreciate it. So far i'm imperssed, honestly. I think it's a solid device. Worth 800 bucks? Probably not, but over 18 months, what the hell, I can afford to be an early adopter. I may invest in an anti glare screen. I can't tell if it's so nice looking that its glassy, or so poorly implemented that its a glare magnent, lol.
Either way, i'm happy with my investment, and I really hope google puts a lot of attention to fixing bugs and any other issues with Honeycomb.
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It's just as glossy as the iPad/Galaxy Tab (I own both).. I was in my car using my Xoom in a parking lot.. and it was just badddd.. sun glaring in my eyes lol.. But I expected that.
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It's just as glossy as the iPad/Galaxy Tab (I own both).. I was in my car using my Xoom in a parking lot.. and it was just badddd.. sun glaring in my eyes lol.. But I expected that.
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I can agree with that, I don't know.. It doesn't outweigh the pros as of yet. The main thing that i'm eager to test at this point is the Battery, and some of the dual core optimized games and what not. What about you? Are you looking for anything in particular? Any other experience you can comment on? So far, by the way, tethering to my droid x is working phenomenally.
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I can agree with that, I don't know.. It doesn't outweigh the pros as of yet. The main thing that i'm eager to test at this point is the Battery, and some of the dual core optimized games and what not. What about you? Are you looking for anything in particular? Any other experience you can comment on? So far, by the way, tethering to my droid x is working phenomenally.
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What I'm really looking for is a Tablet with an alternative OS (anything not Windows) with great battery life and gives me the tools to be as productive as a netbook.. Far reaching goals im sure though.
Does honeycomb have an easy way for selecting in the middle of sentences / words? I know the IPad has a magnify glass come up when you hold your finger near a word so that you can see exactly where the cursor is, does honeycomb do something similar? Also, how is the copy/paste in honeycomb? I know on my 2.3 phone, it's not that great and hard to select exactly what you want.
you able to find google body app... cant find it on market and it's not preinstalled???
Can you try viewing streaming websites on WiFi (justin.tv or ustream.tv) and see how the tablet handles higher quality streams?
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you able to find google body app... cant find it on market and it's not preinstalled???
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I was wondering the same thing.
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The only one that I've seen so far is when trying to run "Remote Desktop Client" by Xtralogic. No dice so far, so I'll have to keep a look out for a Xoom-Approved RDP client
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Does honeycomb have an easy way for selecting in the middle of sentences / words? I know the IPad has a magnify glass come up when you hold your finger near a word so that you can see exactly where the cursor is, does honeycomb do something similar? Also, how is the copy/paste in honeycomb? I know on my 2.3 phone, it's not that great and hard to select exactly what you want.
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When you click the words a little pointer comes up, drag it were you want it.
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schnoz said:
Does honeycomb have an easy way for selecting in the middle of sentences / words? I know the IPad has a magnify glass come up when you hold your finger near a word so that you can see exactly where the cursor is, does honeycomb do something similar? Also, how is the copy/paste in honeycomb? I know on my 2.3 phone, it's not that great and hard to select exactly what you want.
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I have no experience with Android 2.3.. but there seems to be a pretty nice/decent cut and paste built in.. I haven't used it yet.
I have had an iPad since july of last year, sold it yesterday in prepartion for the Xoom purchase today. Walked into Verizon purchased the Xoom and walked right out no hassle, no activation required. Here my Mini Review so far, with some comparisons to my previous 32gb ipad.
Hardware:
Nice heft, feels really solid and has that industrial feel. I do not feel I am going to drop it because it slips out of my hand... i always felt that way when holding an ipad.
its a 16:10 screen so it is wider than it is long. Should be perfect for movies.
Screen is a finger print magnet like ipad.
Software:
Gmail- is incredible on this thing. Drag and drop, color labels, etc. the workflow with gmail is priceless and so fluid. I cannot speak of the general "email" app because i only use gmail.
youtube- way way faster loading videos on this than it was on the ipad. it has some eye candy, which is always nice.. esp for android.
browser- Browser is great! and it loads pages faster than my ipad did. also it has tabs and THEY DO NOT RELOAD ON SWITCHING!! I had 8 tabs open... flipping through them flawlessly! As always using google account you can sync bookmarks and such between desktop and xoom.
Havent tried the music app yet
The gallery is like your standard vanilla android gallery.. loaded all my picasa pics from the cloud.
Other apps- there are very few "tablet apps" in the market. The 2 I did DL was pulse and accuweather. Pulse was pretty basic but did take advantage of the fragments. Accuweather is slick... but they need to polish up some pixelation i saw tapping the background "live" water.
Apps like facebook and kindle scale up nicely. While some apps dont like the speedtest app.
Speaking of speed test, i did a load on my wifi connection at 15mbps down and 3 up and i pull 14mbps down and 2 up. My ipad could never pull above 10mbps. I also noticed my signal holding strong than it did on my ipad.
Workflow is great!! This is what i have been missing on ipad... background task, unintrustive notifications.
Thats all I have right now... so far I am liking the decision i made. But i know i will be missing my apps the ipad had!!! Android cant match it yet... it will take some time.
If Xoom battery life is anything like G Tablets (Also Tegra 2) it should have pretty damn good battery Life
Hello, I just bought an Acer A500, this is my first Android device (I own an iphone 3gs).
But I am very dispointed by its speed. I was hoping it would be as fast and smooth (at least !) as my old iphone 3gs but it's not ... When you scroll a web page it's not smooth, whatever the web browser I tried, even single web page as Google !
The only smooth scrolls are when you use the photo browser or when you scroll through the icons pages. For the rest, even the Android Market app, it's not smooth at all.
So is there any optimisation we can do to let the A500 display everything smoother, or is it just an Android 3.0 problem which may be corrected in a future release ?
Thanks
The coming Android OS 3.1 will be better. The update including the browser stability and smoothness.
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Thanks, I just hope now the 3.1 will come quickly to the A500 and that it will really be smoother ...
My experience with the A500 is very fluid. I find that browsing to be "fast & smooth" as well. So, I'm left scratching my head that your receiving a better browsing experience on a 3GS. Could you upload a video sample on youtube? Some people have reported wifi issues with their device and that could be the culprit to your browsing experience. See if coming in close proximity of your wifi AP improves your browsing experience. If so then search this forum for what others have done to resolve the wifi issue. I am not having an issue so I have not further investigated the wifi issue.
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The browsing experience is a pain in the ass... but that is not from ACER it's from honeycomb...
the stock browser is still unstable and buggy and not support HTML5 and CSS3 as promissed...
and some function supported already by Iphone (field url and email for input do not trigger the good keyboard)
no smooth animation on javascript it s choppy and lost a lot a frame...
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When I say a pain in the ass I mean, only if we want make or build animated javascript website
http://www.thewildernessdowntown.com
this should be SMOOTH...or maybe I expect too much from "high-end" tablet dual-core.
HTML form field url/email
Issue16401 : http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=16401
SenchaMobile.
http://dev.sencha.com/deploy/touch/examples/kitchensink
-- animations ... choppy and not smooth at all...
-- Buttons ... rounded are... weirdly rendered but that is not a real issues from the android, but probably from webkit or more from also sencha methods.. but still
flickering on any page change...
you can see this flickering also when you are on form fields
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I do not mean anything wrong, I said before that Android 3.0 is young and will grow up by time with better and better things to come I love android and I love Acer Tablet, really good products
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it's come in this month "confirmed by Acer Thailand" but no final date yet...
So far my disapointment are not same
I just see the UI improvement on Samsung Galaxy 8.6... it's so nice the UI is sweeeeet
the status bar, with the turn on/off many things...
the fast app launcher on the bottom... WoOow sweet...
I hope we will got some flavor of it
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You should probably return it. Nobody has yet had these issues, so it might be something wrong with your tablet.
@bec07 : who ?
You and the OP.
It is important to note that not all websites are created equal. I have fast and smooth experiences with some sites and horrible one with others. There are too many variables from code quality, embedded media and offsite advertising, amount of content on a given page etc to truly quantify a 'good' or 'bad' browsing experience.
Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad. Some of it has to do with the browser, some has to do with the page you're loading.
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It is important to note that not all websites are created equal. I have fast and smooth experiences with some sites and horrible one with others. There are too many variables from code quality, embedded media and offsite advertising, amount of content on a given page etc to truly quantify a 'good' or 'bad' browsing experience.
Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad. Some of it has to do with the browser, some has to do with the page you're loading.
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Agree, google.com is fast for me, but this site xda is very slow.
I use Dolphin HD browser... faster and more features.
Basicly all tablets are identical at this point. Some thinner, some thicker but only one manufacturer was smart enough to add the full size USB port.
Since the hardware is identical and it really packs quite a punch those issues should not happen. It would be best they check with their retailer or inconspicuously go to try out another A500.
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Basicly all tablets are identical at this point. Some thinner, some thicker but only one manufacturer was smart enough to add the full size USB port.
Since the hardware is identical and it really packs quite a punch those issues should not happen. It would be best they check with their retailer or inconspicuously go to try out another A500.
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I have 2 tablet and both are identical so I should change all tablet... naaaa don't think so.
I do think the 3.1 will remove some flickering glitch, and smooth maybe the javascript animation and css animation stuff. but for sure some website are poorly coded or got a DOM overloaded that eat the memory.
I do compare Sencha Touch website between iPad 1 and Acer A500... sad that run smoother on the old old iPad rather than on the new A500
but read really, I said the honeycomb and android is still young and buggy and will be better day after day because of the active community and the open mind of the code. do not interpret or miss understand.
It's a fact that browsing is not that smooth that should be, but it's already good.
now have to become the BEST.
(someone told me on the galaxy S II the browser was.... too fast for rendering it's tooooo good, but I didn't check about flickering or else)
I would have to agree with the first post, the web browsing experience is not as nice as iOS in regards to smoothness/scrolling, comapred to my iphone4 and former ipad1, but its not that bad either.
looking forward to 3.1.
sencha was developed with iPhone in mind, that's not really a valid comparison.
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Agree, google.com is fast for me, but this site xda is very slow.
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Just change the theme to xda classic and here you go
Today I checked xoom 3.1 videos on youtube, and I'm still disapointed ...
Browsing the web is faster but still not as smooth as it should be.
And not only the web, also the other apps were not 100% fluid.
I don't know if I will wait until the 3.1 comes to the A500 ... I may sell it quick (only owned for 2 days !) and buy an iPad. And believe it or not : yesterday I have been to the hospital because of an epilleptic crisis I did while using the A500, because of the non-smooth scrollings ...
My point of view is that a pad experience seems magic when it's 100% fluid, without this the pad experience seems not far from a laptop experience, which is not what I was searching for.
New android users always feel that. U can easily change ur the launchers such as Launcher Pro which is very smooth and fast in my opinion. There are tweaks around for you to look for and learn while experiencing Android =)
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Hello, I just bought an Acer A500, this is my first Android device (I own an iphone 3gs).
But I am very dispointed by its speed. I was hoping it would be as fast and smooth (at least !) as my old iphone 3gs but it's not ... When you scroll a web page it's not smooth, whatever the web browser I tried, even single web page as Google !
The only smooth scrolls are when you use the photo browser or when you scroll through the icons pages. For the rest, even the Android Market app, it's not smooth at all.
So is there any optimisation we can do to let the A500 display everything smoother, or is it just an Android 3.0 problem which may be corrected in a future release ?
Thanks
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Ipads have had probably What? 50 updates. A500 had one so far. I have the A500 and my wife's has the Ipad. I think I updated my wife Ipad 3 times since Christmas ( hour or longer updates ) Give it some more updates and the A500 will shine. The way both Tablets are now if I had to sell one of them it would be the Ipad. The only thing I like better about my wife's Ipad is, I can plug it directly into our digital camera and get pictures real fast, but you also have to buy the 30.00 adapter to do this and now you have something more to lose and carry around. JM2C
This is the difference with Apple : with Apple it works fine out of the box, of course a few bugs are corrected in firmware updates but these bug do not avoid you to use your pad.
With Android I feel like in the bad days of Windows mobile : you have to wait for the manufacturer promeses before being able to use your pad properly, but most of the time windows mobile devices never worked as expected ... That's the problem of having one operating system for hundred of devices with different hardwares.
I would be very happy to keep my A500 mainly because of the included usb port, but also because of the price and the fact that Android is more "open", if only Acer would have given us a 3.1 release date I would feel better.
Edit : this time it's sure, I will sell it !!! A current bug let me type very slow on the keyboard, this is the last bug I will accept ! Another big problem has been found : the button bar on the bottom of the screen : I often touch it while using the A500 which freezes the screen ....
I guess I will wait for 3 or 4 more years before going back to Android ! For now I'll stay with Apple.
Thanks anyway to all of you !
Do you guys think ice cream sandwich can keep up with ios's smoothness? I used to hate apple and still don't like itmuch, but if ice cream sandwich won't be at least almost as smooth as ios, then i will definitely think about getting an ipad and selling my android tablet.. ios 5 has a lot of features that can keep up with current android, and it gives a really good experience with buttery smooth transition animation, although a little less feature. I know we should wait till tmr to find out all the features of ics, but do you guys think it will be smooth with no lag, especially the jerkiness when scrolling?
If your tablet is exceedingly jerky you should try wiping it or getting a replacement.
Besides that, I have no doubt that there will be plenty of under the hood improvements along with the UI updates.
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If your tablet is exceedingly jerky you should try wiping it or getting a replacement.
Besides that, I have no doubt that there will be plenty of under the hood improvements along with the UI updates.
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I was going to say... "what jerkiness?"
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If you've ever used a current ios device then you know exactly what he's talking about. my a500 overclocked at 1.5 on a fresh install, is nowhere near as smooth as an ios device. There are certain jitters when performing certain actions. And lag when typing is a huge issue, that I can't seem to fix regardly of rom choice keyboard choice or overclock settings.
I'd recommend waiting until tomorrow night. They might pull out something "amazing" like with froyo and increase speed across the board again.
What little I have been reading about it Google is really working on UI, including trying to speed up transitions and effects. Whether or not they succeed remains to be seen, so my advice is: don't throw out the baby with the bath-water. Wait until you get a chance to actually try it YOURSELF once it's out and ignore rumours.
Yea comparing to ios, my tablet (usually smooth) is very jittery. And one thing that I haven't been doing much but started doing a lot is using it in portrait mode, and I just can't stand the lag.. and i really hope there will be at least close amount of various animation that are present in ios..and I REALLY hope the scrolling lag will be gone, like in youtube app, or actually any other app, when scrolling while loading image or something, is laggy. After I've spent some time with ios in a retail store, I really can't stand the lag haha..
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What little I have been reading about it Google is really working on UI, including trying to speed up transitions and effects. Whether or not they succeed remains to be seen, so my advice is: don't throw out the baby with the bath-water. Wait until you get a chance to actually try it YOURSELF once it's out and ignore rumours.
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And yea, I hope they succeed. I will definitely try it out. I THINK windows phone 7 is pretty smooth and ios is of course smooth but was wondering, why the biggest software company cant make their os better. Than apple and microsoft. I mean that in the general transition effect in terms of smoothness, not the OS features.
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And yea, I hope they succeed. I will definitely try it out. I THINK windows phone 7 is pretty smooth and ios is of course smooth but was wondering, why the biggest software company cant make their os better. Than apple and microsoft. I mean that in the general transition effect in terms of smoothness, not the OS features.
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Well, atleast partially the reason is technical: Apple's iOS is all native code AFAIK and tuned for Apple's hardware. After all, Apple controls all the parts that go to their devices and only choose parts that they know will work on iOS. Google on the other hand has to provide an OS platform that is a lot more malleable and can run on a wide range of devices with wildly differing characteristics, so it creates some overhead. Plus Android isn't native code, so again that creates some execution overhead.
And well, remember that iOS builds on OSX, it's just streamlined and tuned for mobile devices whereas Android is a completely new OS and Google doesn't have much previous experience in OS development. Ie. Apple has a lot of headway compared to Google and it'll take some time for Google to catch up.
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Well, atleast partially the reason is technical: Apple's iOS is all native code AFAIK and tuned for Apple's hardware. After all, Apple controls all the parts that go to their devices and only choose parts that they know will work on iOS. Google on the other hand has to provide an OS platform that is a lot more malleable and can run on a wide range of devices with wildly differing characteristics, so it creates some overhead. Plus Android isn't native code, so again that creates some execution overhead.
And well, remember that iOS builds on OSX, it's just streamlined and tuned for mobile devices whereas Android is a completely new OS and Google doesn't have much previous experience in OS development. Ie. Apple has a lot of headway compared to Google and it'll take some time for Google to catch up.
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I truly love your informative posts... Thanks for being a part of this community.
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I truly love your informative posts... Thanks for being a part of this community.
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Eh. I'm somewhat surprised to get such feedback, usually I just hear that I'm an arrogant bastard. But well, thanks. I just saw an opportunity for giving some real feedback in an effort to stop an oncoming flamewar.
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Eh. I'm somewhat surprised to get such feedback, usually I just hear that I'm an arrogant bastard. But well, thanks. I just saw an opportunity for giving some real feedback in an effort to stop an oncoming flamewar.
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arrogant bastard, a great beer!
Come on, don't give up on android, for sure ios have by far the most smooth scrolling, but android gave you the fun to improving it. I get alot of satisfaction by flashing roms, kernels, overclocking, overcharging or simply playing around with the theme and designing your own styling. It's open and free. ois is all about giving you something that's good at a ridiculously high price...
iOS is definitely more refined when it comes to animations, ascetics, and fine detail. All of which creates a more pleasing (to look at) and responsive UI.
My iOS devices do occasionally succumb to the same animation stutters and laggy keyboard as my Android ones. However, usually only after a jailbreak and installing homebrew.
My biggest complaint with Android tablets (and android in general) is App support. Tablet app selection is dismal on Android and compatibility with 2.3 apps even worse.
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Do you guys think ice cream sandwich can keep up with ios's smoothness? I used to hate apple and still don't like itmuch, but if ice cream sandwich won't be at least almost as smooth as ios, then i will definitely think about getting an ipad and selling my android tablet.. ios 5 has a lot of features that can keep up with current android, and it gives a really good experience with buttery smooth transition animation, although a little less feature. I know we should wait till tmr to find out all the features of ics, but do you guys think it will be smooth with no lag, especially the jerkiness when scrolling?
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iOS was built from the ground up to use very little memory and CPU cycles. Remember when you couldn't even multitask on there? Well now all that has changed but Apple is sticking to the principle.
Android on the other hand is built upon Linux. Google is doing the very best with the software and tools they have. If you imitate iOS and remove all your widgets and satisfy with just some icons on your home screens it's highly likely you'll mimic very closely the experience of iOS in terms of the OS being lag free. Of course this varies from person to person in what and how many apps they are running, etc. Any apps that run services will take some toll on the system; herein lies an example of a big difference between how Android vs. iOS works.
Widgets also use up a chunk of memory as well as CPU cycles at a time and are one of the priority reasons the software may lag, especially some of those flashy ones like CNN/News widgets, big ones like Music/Video widgets or constantly moving ones like Weather/Time widgets.
We can only wait and see what ICS will bring. There's no guarantee that it will be any faster/smoother than Honeycomb is; for me Honeycomb is pretty damned smooth. Also Vanilla Android/Honeycomb doesn't consist of that many animations to start with unless you get 3rd party launchers...but scrolling for me and launching apps carries little to no lag with it.
Keep in mind also that momentum has built up and hardware has caught up with software demands. My G1 with 1.6 cannot begin to compare to my myTouch4G with 2.3 on it. If the trend continues we can more than likely safely assume that any sort of lag will disappear as more powerful processors are introduced.
Ultimately it's up to you to decide what's more important to you.
I'm not sure I could give up my widgets at this point just to get smoother animations as I have grown accustomed to and am now depending on them.
If you think you like iOS more for any reason, especially if you feel it now matches Android in terms of features, I'd definitely make the switch sooner than later. I'd hate to spend money on Android apps and then have to buy them all over again on iOS.
When would we reasonably except ICS to be available for the Acer Iconia?
Either for Rooted users or in a OTA upgrade?
I'd say about a month. People will probably have it booting (but that'll be about it) day of the source being released though.
Another bloke confirmed that Acer is planning on supporting the A500 with ICS.
So, today is the day. I'm EST, so 10pm for me.
Rather than start a new thread, I'm just throwing this in here incase anyone wants to chat about it later.
youtube.com/android
Of course it's a Samsung event but it should still provide some tasty insights.
//pun off
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So, today is the day. I'm EST, so 10pm for me.
Rather than start a new thread, I'm just throwing this in here incase anyone wants to chat about it later.
youtube.com/android
Of course it's a Samsung event but it should still provide some tasty insights.
//pun off
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8:30 for central time
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Lolwut...
Beyond that, i've never understood why the quality of an os is judged on its fancy animations. Truth be told, when given the option, i turn animations off to the highest degree possible.
I have owned the samsung galaxy 10.1 for approx 2 weeks. I sold my IPAD 2 to purchase as I have always been a fan of android phones. So far, I find the galaxy to be very unpolished. For example, the screens lag when navigating and apps force close to much. When I scroll up and down on the UI, its not smooth as butter like the IPAD. When I change the screen orientation, its very choppy. The IPAD runs circles around this device. I wish it wasnt the case as I wanted to like it. Even the on screen keyboard is hard to type on. Try copying and pasting a sentence. The arrows you use to drag across the words never line up with what is being clicked. I am not sure how anybody finds this device to be a pleasant experience unless you are in denial and I am not talking about the river. Maybe Ice Cream will fix some of the issues. For now, the tablet serves as a perfect example of what happens when technology is rushed to the market without consideration of quality.
I feel better now.
Lance
Take the time to tweak your device with everything available on these forums, it becomes an entirely different device.
Sent from my Samsung Fascinate
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I have owned the samsung galaxy 10.1 for approx 2 weeks. I sold my IPAD 2 to purchase as I have always been a fan of android phones. So far, I find the galaxy to be very unpolished. For example, the screens lag when navigating and apps force close to much. When I scroll up and down on the UI, its not smooth as butter like the IPAD. When I change the screen orientation, its very choppy. The IPAD runs circles around this device. I wish it wasnt the case as I wanted to like it. Even the on screen keyboard is hard to type on. Try copying and pasting a sentence. The arrows you use to drag across the words never line up with what is being clicked. I am not sure how anybody finds this device to be a pleasant experience unless you are in denial and I am not talking about the river. Maybe Ice Cream will fix some of the issues. For now, the tablet serves as a perfect example of what happens when technology is rushed to the market without consideration of quality.
I feel better now.
Lance
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Not sure if you are trolling here, but eh, I'm bored so I'll bite.
Those of us who find the Tab to be a pleasant experience must be in denial huh? Don't you think that's a pretty presumptuous and arrogant statement? How do you know what my experience with it has been? Or anyone else's for that matter?
I would usually sit here and try to help you solve your lagginess issue, maybe seeing if you have some sort of rouge process going on or if you are even on the latest firmware. Maybe point you to some of the great custom ROMs the developers here have given us. But, nope. You speak for everyone and everyone must be having the same ****ty experience as you, and if we say we don't we must be lying.
I will tell you though that my experience has been fantastic. The only time I get lag on the homescreen is when I have a live wallpaper up. I've never had any browser lag or lag anywhere else. I have a ton of widgets on my screens too. No lag. Of course though I'm totally lying, but you knew that already right?
I'm finished being sarcastic. Honestly if you aren't happy with the device, go sell it and get an Ipad again. Nobody is stopping you. The Tab is a fantastic product and I would go so far as to say it is the best tablet on the market as of this very moment. But it is not for everybody, especially for people who have no idea what they are doing.
Posting threads like this serves no purpose other than being a troll and drawing the ire of members like myself.
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I have owned the samsung galaxy 10.1 for approx 2 weeks. I sold my IPAD 2 to purchase as I have always been a fan of android phones. So far, I find the galaxy to be very unpolished. For example, the screens lag when navigating and apps force close to much. When I scroll up and down on the UI, its not smooth as butter like the IPAD. When I change the screen orientation, its very choppy. The IPAD runs circles around this device. I wish it wasnt the case as I wanted to like it. Even the on screen keyboard is hard to type on. Try copying and pasting a sentence. The arrows you use to drag across the words never line up with what is being clicked. I am not sure how anybody finds this device to be a pleasant experience unless you are in denial and I am not talking about the river. Maybe Ice Cream will fix some of the issues. For now, the tablet serves as a perfect example of what happens when technology is rushed to the market without consideration of quality.
I feel better now.
Lance
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I bought mine a couple weeks back too, and my experiences are similar to yours. I still can't understand how a dual core device can be this laggy! I'm hoping its all due to the Samsung bloatware, so I'm going to load up a custom ROM over the weekend and see how that goes... you should try it too
I really like the additional screen space coming from a 4.2" Xperia Arc, and Honeycomb is a lot zippier now than it was back in April when I had the Xoom for a couple of weeks. I still believe its a better tablet than the iPad2 though. That thing seems so zippy because all it is is a magnified iPhone. There's almost nothing running in the background which gives it the appearance of being a lot quicker and better battery life. Load it up with widgets and lets compare them then.
My biggest problem though, is the lack of a good pdf app. I've tried tons of them and they are all really slow to load, very jerky pinch to zoom, and slow scrolling. Hope this improves with ICS
And to the poster above this, I don't get why you even bothered posting if you're going to be so incredibly unhelpful
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I have owned the samsung galaxy 10.1 for approx 2 weeks... I am not sure how anybody finds this device to be a pleasant experience...
I feel better now.
Lance
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Lance,
I have watched my brother in law's ipad closely, and you are right. It is faster and more responsive (once tweaked) than my SGT was out of the box. However, the others are right too.
I have rooted and tweaked my SGT and it now makes my ios friends raise their eyebrows. You happily partied all over your ipad, making many changes suggested on user sites like this one. Now you need to do the same with your SGT. If you are unable or unwilling to do that, you are not an idiot or a molester of small animals, you are just one of those people that the ipad was designed for. So get another one, and enjoy it.
I prefer my Android gadgets, because they are more flexible. I am not locked into iTunes, and I have access to my 650GB music library that is not as compressed as AAC. I have a FREE SDK that works rather well, when i want to write my own apps. There are a few paid apps that I depend upon for day to day stuff, just like I would for iOs devices. For me, and many of the others in this form, that is what they want.
Sent from a distant planet with the aid of my towel.
lancer123 said:
I have owned the samsung galaxy 10.1 for approx 2 weeks. I sold my IPAD 2 to purchase as I have always been a fan of android phones. So far, I find the galaxy to be very unpolished. For example, the screens lag when navigating and apps force close to much. When I scroll up and down on the UI, its not smooth as butter like the IPAD. When I change the screen orientation, its very choppy. The IPAD runs circles around this device. I wish it wasnt the case as I wanted to like it. Even the on screen keyboard is hard to type on. Try copying and pasting a sentence. The arrows you use to drag across the words never line up with what is being clicked. I am not sure how anybody finds this device to be a pleasant experience unless you are in denial and I am not talking about the river. Maybe Ice Cream will fix some of the issues. For now, the tablet serves as a perfect example of what happens when technology is rushed to the market without consideration of quality.
I feel better now.
Lance
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I understand how you feel, and I felt the same way when I first handled the SGT 8.9 the UI lag was horrendous .. I felt the product manager of the device should be sacked (or worse done to him) for ever allowing such a device out the door in such state. To make matters worse for me, there was an ipad close by and the UI flow was like watching man utd beat arsenal 8-2 .. I promptly returned the device.
However my opinion has since change since coming here lots of people have filled me in with some tweaks and work around which resolves most of the laggy issue. (You can check out the SGT 8.9 Q & A section its a sticky under this section for people experience with the device)
First of if you can't be bothered to root your device, try the ADW launcher ex, everyone who tried that said its greatly improves the performance and eliminates the lag issue.
You can also if you are feeling adventurous root the device. And install some of the numerous roms around.
just try and take advantage of the open nature and make it yours. Soon ipad owners would be looking at your tab and feeling the envy.
Just my 2 cents
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Please go get your ipad back dude. I have none of the issues you speak of. This thread is a total waste. I don't even believe you own a tab.
By saying "you like Android phones" I'm assuming you mean in comparison to the iPhone. Most of the same issues you’re experiencing in an Android vs. iPad tablet comparison apply to a phone comparison also so your statement's kind of confusing.
iOS is so "buttery smooth" because it's locked down like a prison with Apple exerting Orwellian control over the entire eco-system. I bought my G-Tab and paid more than an equivalent iPad because, for what I do, the collection of individual apps works better than the homogenous equivalents on the iPad. And I did that knowing the iPad had a better display and that the UI and navigation were smoother and more mature.
This forum is fascinating because of the disparity in experiences everyone has. I've had two G-Tab's (Wi-Fi and 3G) and never had a force close on either and I have over 50 apps installed. There's occasional stutter and lagginess but I'd say it appears (for me) less than 5% of the time. One huge difference between iOS and Android is that Android, with its limitless ability to be tweaked, can get hosed by people using badly written apps and the use of memory managers, task killers, battery monitors and the like. Every XDA forum I participate in has people *****ing about some function being hosed and then go on to elaborate about all the crap they've done to their device and ****ty low-rent apps they're using. And they don’t understand why their phone’s getting crappy battery life and has tons of issues no one else seems to be experiencing. I guess freedom comes at a price and it can be abused.
I've had a G-Tab in one form or another since August and have been really satisfied with it. I took my new 3G version on a trip over the weekend and it performed flawlessly and got fantastic battery life with 3G active continuously and download speeds of 8MB in TX (vs. less than 1MB for an iPad). I sat across from someone using an iPad on the flight home last night. The local video he was playing was gorgeous. Compared to mine, his WSJ app looked like crap as did Solitaire and a bunch of other stuff I saw him use. Meanwhile, I was streaming Hulu, HBOGO, and TV shows from my home server using the planes Wi-Fi. I can also play music I have stored on my home server, the Amazon cloud, or from the 2K songs I store locally using my $9.99 Rhapsody monthly subscription. All while reading magazines and newspapers using Next Issue and Press Reader. I’d gladly trade options and versatility for “buttery smooth” any day. iOS is great for a subset of device owners because of its constraints and consistency. But those restrictions are why I chose Android. Android can become smoother through s/w and h/w evolution but iOS will never become more open. Hopefully OP bought his G-Tab somewhere with a liberal return policy so he can return it.
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By saying "you like Android phones" I'm assuming you mean in comparison to the iPhone. Most of the same issues you’re experiencing in an Android vs. iPad tablet comparison apply to a phone comparison also so your statement's kind of confusing.
iOS is so "buttery smooth" because it's locked down like a prison with Apple exerting Orwellian control over the entire eco-system. I bought my G-Tab and paid more than an equivalent iPad because, for what I do, the collection of individual apps works better than the homogenous equivalents on the iPad. And I did that knowing the iPad had a better display and that the UI and navigation were smoother and more mature.
This forum is fascinating because of the disparity in experiences everyone has. I've had two G-Tab's (Wi-Fi and 3G) and never had a force close on either and I have over 50 apps installed. There's occasional stutter and lagginess but I'd say it appears (for me) less than 5% of the time. One huge difference between iOS and Android is that Android, with its limitless ability to be tweaked, can get hosed by people using badly written apps and the use of memory managers, task killers, battery monitors and the like. Every XDA forum I participate in has people *****ing about some function being hosed and then go on to elaborate about all the crap they've done to their device and ****ty low-rent apps they're using. And they don’t understand why their phone’s getting crappy battery life and has tons of issues no one else seems to be experiencing. I guess freedom comes at a price and it can be abused.
I've had a G-Tab in one form or another since August and have been really satisfied with it. I took my new 3G version on a trip over the weekend and it performed flawlessly and got fantastic battery life with 3G active continuously and download speeds of 8MB in TX (vs. less than 1MB for an iPad). I sat across from someone using an iPad on the flight home last night. The local video he was playing was gorgeous. Compared to mine, his WSJ app looked like crap as did Solitaire and a bunch of other stuff I saw him use. Meanwhile, I was streaming Hulu, HBOGO, and TV shows from my home server using the planes Wi-Fi. I can also play music I have stored on my home server, the Amazon cloud, or from the 2K songs I store locally using my $9.99 Rhapsody monthly subscription. All while reading magazines and newspapers using Next Issue and Press Reader. I’d gladly trade options and versatility for “buttery smooth” any day. iOS is great for a subset of device owners because of its constraints and consistency. But those restrictions are why I chose Android. Android can become smoother through s/w and h/w evolution but iOS will never become more open. Hopefully OP bought his G-Tab somewhere with a liberal return policy so he can return it.
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The stuff you speak of is why I have ran Linux exclusively on my PC for close to 5 years now. Yet I think the OP has a point and was just letting out steam. I too was extremely disappointed when I handled the galaxy tab (in my case it was the 8.9) right from boot the experience was horrendous and the UI lagged SOO much it was embarrassing. This first impression was a real turn off for me and I can understand the feeling of someone who gets a device with such awesome hardware only be bugged down with software. Sure you can always improve with tweaks and mods but if android is ever gonna replicate its success on mobile on tablets. Then the out of the box experience most be killer. Having and awesome out of the box experience and ability to further tweak should not be mutually exclusive. The experience I got on my galaxy s2 even with default rom was exquisite. Just breath taking. Even without Modding or installing a custom rom. That's what I expected from honeycomb. Hopefully most of this out of the box issues would be fixed with honeycomb 3.2 and ICS.
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I must agree with OP. Its a f****g ambaresment how a product can be released in the state it was when it was in the box. Now after tweaking and rooting and flashing and using it for a couple of months its useable. But it still lags, not all the time , but try installing something form market and then go to homescreen, right then its laggy as hell.
But we all know this by now, so i agree with the rest of you that we have no need for this thread. And if OP just read a little before buying he would have found this info about the tab. Anyways welcome hope you get your tab sorted.
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I must agree with OP. Its a f****g ambaresment how a product can be released in the state it was when it was in the box. Now after tweaking and rooting and flashing and using it for a couple of months its useable. But it still lags, not all the time , but try installing something form market and then go to homescreen, right then its laggy as hell.
But we all know this by now, so i agree with the rest of you that we have no need for this thread. And if OP just read a little before buying he would have found this info about the tab. Anyways welcome hope you get your tab sorted.
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Same experience here.... I've even rooted my tab and it did improve but not as much as I would of liked, this was a month ago though, so i don't know if anything better has comed out. I've thought about getting an iPad but..... I just can't if it can't play flash.... How the hell could you own a tablet and not watch a simple flash video. So if anyone can give me advice on how to make my 10.1 as smooth as some of you have said, then please do tell me how. I love my Gtab but the lag does really bother me enough to have had to remove all my widgets....
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shoo troll.
Klk450 said:
Same experience here.... I've even rooted my tab and it did improve but not as much as I would of liked, this was a month ago though, so i don't know if anything better has comed out. I've thought about getting an iPad but..... I just can't if it can't play flash.... How the hell could you own a tablet and not watch a simple flash video. So if anyone can give me advice on how to make my 10.1 as smooth as some of you have said, then please do tell me how. I love my Gtab but the lag does really bother me enough to have had to remove all my widgets....
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Root your tab is only the first step. You need to flash custom rom after you root your tab, then only you can feel the difference.
I just got my tab last week, wifi only version. I can say I'm really satisfied with the performance and I love my tab. The basic steps are:
1. root your tab
2. flash custom rom
That's all you need to do to feel the difference. You can ignore some of the gimmicks, for instance supercharger, overclock kernel and etc that have been mentioned if you have no freaking idea what they are about at the moment. You will pick them up along the way just like I did.
The one tip that everyone here would tell you - READ THE FORUM!
For instance, the first sticky post in the Galaxy Tab 10.1 Android Development is a good read and good resource to get you started. Here's the link if you have no idea where it is (Seriously?): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1171089
lancer123 said:
I have owned the samsung galaxy 10.1 for approx 2 weeks. I sold my IPAD 2 to purchase as I have always been a fan of android phones. So far, I find the galaxy to be very unpolished. For example, the screens lag when navigating and apps force close to much. When I scroll up and down on the UI, its not smooth as butter like the IPAD. When I change the screen orientation, its very choppy. The IPAD runs circles around this device. I wish it wasnt the case as I wanted to like it. Even the on screen keyboard is hard to type on. Try copying and pasting a sentence. The arrows you use to drag across the words never line up with what is being clicked. I am not sure how anybody finds this device to be a pleasant experience unless you are in denial and I am not talking about the river. Maybe Ice Cream will fix some of the issues. For now, the tablet serves as a perfect example of what happens when technology is rushed to the market without consideration of quality.
I feel better now.
Lance
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I agree with you on most counts, except that I don't have any issues with the onscreen keyboard and don't get force closes. There are some things you can do to improve the user experience (alternate launchers, overclocking etc), however it still won't feel like the iPad.
That being said, there are things you can do with the tablet out of the box which you can't do with an iPad:
- Adobe Flash support
- Emulation apps availability (SNES, DOS, Scumm)
- File / Directory browsing
- UI customization
- Non-market / store applications installation
While I would love the overall UI performance to be on par with the iPad, given a choice between the two I would rather have the above functionality instead. There is also the possibility of Android's UI performance improving in the future with all this functionality retained. In case of Apple, apart from limited UI customization perhaps, the other stuff is just not going to be available ever.
PS: And all that's just out of the box, if you root your device there's some far more interesting stuff you can do with the tablet!
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My biggest problem though, is the lack of a good pdf app. I've tried tons of them and they are all really slow to load, very jerky pinch to zoom, and slow scrolling. Hope this improves with ICS
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You have probably tried it already, but EZ PDF is pretty good. I am comparing it to GoodReader on the iPad and I don't have any issues with loading / scrolling / flipping / resizing.
Of course, this maybe dependent on the size and content of the PDFs you are using, so YMMV -- I mostly read book-sized documents, mostly text, and it works fine for me.
I recently bought a GalaxyTab and I have to confirm, it is quite laggy - In comparison to an iPad.
There are several things which can drastically improve the situation:
Use ADW Launcher EX
Custom ROM, Like Task650/Phantom Extreme Stock
Overclock (although, this didn't change a lot)
I found that the first two points are the most important. ADW Launcher makes the whole Homescreen and Applauncher absolutely smooth, just like on an iPad. And no, the stock launcher isn't.
It's great how many possibilites we have with Android, but be honest - I'd rather have ICS without any new features, but just great performance increases. Thats why I switched to Windows Phone in the first place - I don't want apple, but I want smooth scrolling, smooth transitions. And now, just because Android has much more possibilites doesn't mean it has the right to be slow and choppy. Take a look at the Windows 8 Developer Preview. My god, this isn't even an ALPHA and boy it's SO SMOOTH, I cried almost when I saw that.
The only reason I bought my Galaxy Tab is, that Microsoft still needs about a year until their first tablets are out - And I hate waiting
So please Google, get your Team together and tell them to START OPTIMIZING.
PS:
ezPDF is quite good - But the UI is horrible, and I miss the feature to insert Pages into a PDF. Mandano seems a lot more polished and faster, but misses a lot of annotation features.
I agree with the original poster. My tab is rooted, custom rom, adw, etc. My wife's ipad is a far smoother experience than this tablet. Would I switch back to the ipad prison? Not in a million years. My tablet does so much more than the ipad. If an example is needed, how about my choice of swype or thumb keyboard.
root your tab and wait for an ICS port... ICS is said to have hardware acceleration. That is the only thing Honeycomb lacks and that is why its not as smooth as the iPad...
OR
Flash a custom ROM such as Overcome 1.2.1 (didnt like 1.2.2 or 1.2.3) or w/e other one suits you and then come back edit the OP with the overall news... don't judge this book by its cover and remember its NOT iOS
A newbie when rooting is involved but i was wondering if you could give me an idea of what tweaks you have made? i'm considering rooting my device but unsure of what i could do to make it better.
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A newbie when rooting is involved but i was wondering if you could give me an idea of what tweaks you have made? i'm considering rooting my device but unsure of what i could do to make it better.
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Flashing a custom ROM is the big one, will make a huge difference. I am using Task650 & Phantom's "In Paris V4". I also installed pershoot's kernel and overclocked.
The experience
I love my Galaxy Tab in comparison to my previously owned iPad but the reason is simply because I like playing with roms and hacking to get the most of my device. On my iPad, I felt too restricted and forced to use software I didn't like. Yes, some of the apps are better on the iPad and yes, the interface is a bit smoother but it's nowhere near as attractive and it's far too limiting.
A friend of mine equated the iPad experience with being put in a padded room where he can't hurt himself and everything if fluffy and safe feeling. It made me laugh but somewhat sums up the experience. Personally, I'd rather not be spoon fed the experience but would rather create my own and make it about me.
My hope is that ICS will be a significant jump. realistically, Android tablet manufacturers should be trolling these forums for employees who can tweak up their software.. Why they don't do this, one will never know.
Either way, I don't think attacks on the Op are warranted. These forums are here for people to both vent and discuss like the adults we are.
First, let me tell you, I really love Google and Android. I would never buy an iDevice because - well - I don't love Apple.
After watching all YouTube videos and reading all rare tests, I was very excited about the Galaxy Tab 7.7. Nice specs, super speedy, great display, etc...
Today I got it - more or less by accident - and with full of expectations I turned it on to show it to my colleagues. In the videos I saw every device jerking and stuttering and I thought: ok, all these widgets and live wallpaper - I will remove them and then this thing will fly!
Fly? Pfff.... "Smooth" is a foreign word for this device. Even with NO widgets on the screen and only some icons on one page the old Transformer TF101 is faster and a lot smoother! Hell, even my 2 years old single core HTC Desire is a rocket compared to it! I can't believe, that Samsung is not able to get a halfway smooth experience with a dualcore, 1.4Ghz CPU!
As I told you, I don't love Apple, but they get a super smooth experience on a 600 to 800 Mhz, 4 years old device while I NEVER saw this on ANY Android device. If you are honest and compare these 2 systems, Apple has done just a better job performance wise.
I don't think the hardware is not able to render menus, zooms and lists smoothly. Google has to improve it. Samsung did its job by adding the ugly touchwiz, which brought the performance down to zero.
A guy wrote on his blog, that Android will never be smooth, because of its system. It just can't be. Never. Google has to rewrite the code to get it smooth.
It's just awkward if you present your iColleagues the "new best device" on the market just to be laughed at when everything stutters. Pfff... I really hope that Google makes performance the number 1 priority in future Android versions so no iDiots can laugh at one. That's really awkward and I'm really disappointed...
Maybe I exaggerate now, and to be honest there are more important things in life. But it's just sad, that after years Google is not able to make it smooth like Apple had it from the beginning. Apple has done nothing than taking existing things, put them together and make them smooth with an eye for the detail. This I'm missing in Android. An eye for the detail.
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Fly? Pfff.... "Smooth" is a foreign word for this device. Even with NO widgets on the screen and only some icons on one page the old Transformer TF101 is faster and a lot smoother! Hell, even my 2 years old single core HTC Desire is a rocket compared to it! I can't believe, that Samsung is not able to get a halfway smooth experience with a dualcore, 1.4Ghz CPU!
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I think you might have received a defective unit. I have a TF101 and the new Tab 7.7 sitting in front of me right now, and when the TF101 is set to it's stock max clock of 1ghz I can notice a slightly faster response from the Tab 7.7.
It's not a big difference, but it's there. Perhaps you were comparing your stock clocked Tab 7.7 @ 1.4GHZ to a 1.6GHZ overclocked TF101?
If you really want to wow your friends, search for 1080p in youtube (or download from Nvidia) and play the Nvidia PureVideo HD 1080p Test on multiple devices at the same time. It is mind boggling how much better the colors look/pop on the Tab 7.7's AMOLED display. (Yes, I know that the screen is only 1280x800 and therefore scaling)
Oh, and that blog post you are talking about. It's from a bygone Google intern.
I did some benchmarking:
Quadrant: 4088
Smartbench 2012: Productivity: 2692, Gaming: 1719
CF-Bench: 12622,2470,6530
Linpack: Single: ~53, Multi: ~85
So, these results are great and I don't think my Tab is defect (my TF101 was stock btw.). But what I mean is user experience. Videos are great looking and video performance is also impressive, but I rarely watch videos (I use my 12"Lenovo x201 Tablet for this) and benchmarks don't count for real world usage. I always get micro stutters and REALLY bad is the performance when adding widgets (I mean really bad!) or going into the app drawer. There is nothing to hide. I don't think that the hardware is the cause for that. It's just software.
And you are right, the blog I was talking about was from an Ex-Google guy. But if we are honest, he is right - Goolge has to improve user experience to compete with others (WP7 is also smoother with less CPU power for example). I don't mind if that means breaking things - if everyone is excited and buys devices, the devs will surely rewrite the apps. Or make a (slow) compatibility mode or something like this. For now Android grew because of its price - it would be fine, if it would grow because of user experience imho...
I hope ICS will improve it. A lot...
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I did some benchmarking:
Quadrant: 4088
Smartbench 2012: Productivity: 2692, Gaming: 1719
CF-Bench: 12622,2470,6530
Linpack: Single: ~53, Multi: ~85
So, these results are great and I don't think my Tab is defect (my TF101 was stock btw.). But what I mean is user experience. Videos are great looking and video performance is also impressive, but I rarely watch videos (I use my 12"Lenovo x201 Tablet for this) and benchmarks don't count for real world usage. I always get micro stutters and REALLY bad is the performance when adding widgets (I mean really bad!) or going into the app drawer. There is nothing to hide. I don't think that the hardware is the cause for that. It's just software.
And you are right, the blog I was talking about was from an Ex-Google guy. But if we are honest, he is right - Goolge has to improve user experience to compete with others (WP7 is also smoother with less CPU power for example). I don't mind if that means breaking things - if everyone is excited and buys devices, the devs will surely rewrite the apps. Or make a (slow) compatibility mode or something like this. For now Android grew because of its price - it would be fine, if it would grow because of user experience imho...
I hope ICS will improve it. A lot...
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I tried adding a widget to my screen and I did notice stuttering the first time, however every time I added a widget after that was very smooth. I haven't noticed any stuttering while going into the app drawer.
When you talk about Google competing with others like WP7, what do you mean? Android's only real competition at this point is iOS:
http://techcrunch.com/2012/01/09/ios-marketshare-up-from-26-in-q3-to-43-in-octnov-2011/
Also, your comment about Android growing because of it's price is a rather simplified view. If price were truly the reason for it's growth then why do the majority of people (in the UK at least) choose to purchase one of the most expensive variants of Android hardware?
http://www.mobileburn.com/16862/news/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-is-top-selling-android-smartphone-in-uk
I want to see Android grow just as much as you do, but I don't seem to have the same disdain that you do for its current iteration.
I would agree with you to some extent. I was slightly disappointed too when I first turned it on. I was thinking why in hell such a great hardware is so logy? I think TW and HC but specifically TW makes the whole experience awkward. So as with my other Samsung android devices, I got rid of TW and installed AWD launcher. The experience is totally different. 7.7 is now smooth and fast and just works great.
Just give me a larger font, so I can read!!
+1. I have had absolutely no worries with response time, lag, videos, hang ups, stutters, app drawer response, etc. My only problem is I can read my 5.3" Note a heck of a lot easier than my 7.7" Tab. Now if ICS fixes that, I am good to go. I am very critical, and yes, Android does need to consolidate and be sure when they release updates, etc., they function as well as the iGuys do (don't like i) I don't use TW at all, never have, beyond the first 30 minutes, currently using ADWLauncher EX, extremely fast, reliable........
Everyone has their opinion, and I respect all, just I have found the 7.7 to be everything as advertised, only if I could read the text on the bloody thing!!
Please, no suggestions to increase font, anyway or anyhow, I have tried all and if you do this, you affect that, not worthy of discussion. ICS may resolve, at least, I am hopeful.
nascar24usa said:
Everyone has their opinion, and I respect all, just I have found the 7.7 to be everything as advertised, only if I could read the text on the bloody thing!!
Please, no suggestions to increase font, anyway or anyhow, I have tried all and if you do this, you affect that, not worthy of discussion. ICS may resolve, at least, I am hopeful.
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I agree, the application name font in particular is quite small. Thankfully this should be fixed in ICS.
"For improved readability, you can also increase the default font size used across the system." - http://www.android.com/about/ice-cream-sandwich/
Perfect
Thanks for the specific quote:
"For improved readability, you can also increase the default font size used across the system."
Now, when will we get ICS, so we all can standardize our experience to each of our needs.
Thanks.
I'm looking to replace my 10.1 with one of these tabs. I will say that after running CM9 on my 10.1, anyone who is annoyed with performance the stock ROM has will love the difference should someone maintain CM9 for this device.
Performance is night and day on CM9. There are couple things keeping me from buying this right now and that's the fact that 32gb+ versions aren't available and that I question CM9 support for this tab. I think CM support will come eventually, so that's not the biggest factor holding me back of the two.
I'm positive once people are free from stock they can see just how well this tab will perform.
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Honestly, this is kind of tiresome. Why bother with calling people iPeople and making it some kind of battle? You didn't invent anything so why act like it's somehow your technology versus theirs? People like their iPads and that's fine.
But I think you maybe should've at least checked the performance of the video you were going to display prior to show & tell time so this embarrassing scene didn't have to happen.
I just posted up a video that is slightly in response to this topic. Have a look! And while you're at it, check out my other vids!
hudl
I'm sympathetic to what you are saying. (See earlier discussion in thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1464192; Jade Eye Wolf's long reply has been quite helpful to me.)
Couple of questions:
1. Does using a different launcher make any difference to the subjective experience? (E.g., using ADW EX or GO Launcher EX instead of Touchwiz.) My own experience is definitely much better with ADW and GO (I settled eventually on this) than with Touchwiz, widgets and all.
2. What are the properties of the video you were playing. Could it be that it was encoded at an overly high rate? How does the same video play on the Asus? Could there be some codec issue?
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I just posted up a video that is slightly in response to this topic. Have a look! And while you're at it, check out my other vids!
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For those who aren't interested in the hma5000 "slimstick" bluetooth handset, here is a link to the clip of his video that talks specifically about the Tab 7.7's performance, or you can skip to 3:30 manually.
http://youtu.be/8OHZbPv1Tsc?t=3m30s
Thanks for the video Jade Eyed Wolf, adwex looks to be very very fast on this device.
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nascar24usa said:
Thanks for the specific quote:
"For improved readability, you can also increase the default font size used across the system."
Now, when will we get ICS, so we all can standardize our experience to each of our needs.
Thanks.
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You're welcome.
hudl said:
I did some benchmarking:
Quadrant: 4088
Smartbench 2012: Productivity: 2692, Gaming: 1719
CF-Bench: 12622,2470,6530
Linpack: Single: ~53, Multi: ~85
So, these results are great and I don't think my Tab is defect (my TF101 was stock btw.). But what I mean is user experience. Videos are great looking and video performance is also impressive, but I rarely watch videos (I use my 12"Lenovo x201 Tablet for this) and benchmarks don't count for real world usage. I always get micro stutters and REALLY bad is the performance when adding widgets (I mean really bad!) or going into the app drawer. There is nothing to hide. I don't think that the hardware is the cause for that. It's just software.
And you are right, the blog I was talking about was from an Ex-Google guy. But if we are honest, he is right - Goolge has to improve user experience to compete with others (WP7 is also smoother with less CPU power for example). I don't mind if that means breaking things - if everyone is excited and buys devices, the devs will surely rewrite the apps. Or make a (slow) compatibility mode or something like this. For now Android grew because of its price - it would be fine, if it would grow because of user experience imho...
I hope ICS will improve it. A lot...
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Just change your launcher... Yes TW launcher sucks, whatever the HW. And yes Samsung is to blame for this
The article you mention, even though quite interesting is from an ex Google INTERN... Not exactly a top gun either... even if he may be a very smart person
Anyway I can tell you: I have an original Tab, ie rather old HW and under BOCA ROM with Launcher Pro I don't get any stutter, even with many widgets (Oh and my Quadrant score after overclock is pretty close to yours ehehe. 3900ish)
Hopefully upcoming firmwares will fix your issue. But then again just changing your launcher should do the trick
TouchWiz is THE SUCK and absolutely evil! Honestly my Nook Color with its single core CPU felt faster with its optimized CM7 build.. I have used a Prime and there is no comparison. Everything is slower on the Tab but I think changing the launcher will help.
An obvious indication of the slow response is when you press the power button to wake the Tab up from sleep, the screen doesn't come on instantaneously. I mean WTF is up with THAT?
Sent from another Galaxy (Tab 7.7 via Tapatalk)
HoneyComb + touchwiz are SLOW!!!
Tried all sort of different launchers, seems like they are working better then stock... which REALLY REALLY SUCKS!!!
Anyhow, waiting for a proper ICS release, maybe that one will have a better launcher and will work better...
Have a nice day,
SK.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rha2jJXCy8M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUaurAFNrrA
It is also explained and showed on this unboxing and walk through video.. Im not really sure if its TW or Andriod causing the lag but im hoping its just TW.
EDIT:
After watching JadeEye's post its now conclusive that its just TW.
Excellent
nascar24usa said:
Thanks for the specific quote:
"For improved readability, you can also increase the default font size used across the system."
Now, when will we get ICS, so we all can standardize our experience to each of our needs.
Thanks.
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My eyes like a slightly bigger dpi settings, I would like 380 or something.
I can read my Note fine, but for the Galaxy 7.7, which I still need to find
a dealer for, I'd like to know if higher DPI is possible..
THat is.. until we get some icream and I can just size the font
lucid said:
My eyes like a slightly bigger dpi settings, I would like 380 or something.
I can read my Note fine, but for the Galaxy 7.7, which I still need to find
a dealer for, I'd like to know if higher DPI is possible..
THat is.. until we get some icream and I can just size the font
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that would require you to either shrink the screen or increase the resolution 4 times.
none possible at the moment
I just need text to be bigger throughout the whole operating system and applications.
Up close my eyes are 80%, which I think sucks. So i always bought the biggest
screen that comes with a phone. So after enjoying the note for a month, i heared about the 7.7 and now want/need that/.