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That's right, blissful viewing on your VGA Athena. How?
Don't expect to run it in a full screen window, that's how. The CPU (powerful as it is) cannot handle native VGA 640x480 full screen encodes. Probably due to the many other things it has to do simultaneously.
For full screen 640x480, we need the ATI Imageon chip acceleration support, which as we all know is not yet available and ATI/AMD have not been forthcoming in helping CoreCodec in revealing the nature of their hard/software embedded implementation. Nuff said.
320x240 resolution with extremely high bitrates won't give you the sharpness a QVGA device can playing the same resolution.
On the Hermes with the ATI chip, they finally got a resolution/fix as there seemed to be some buffering issues regarding Audio (not entirely sure if these reports were accurate), so I've been playing with Audio codecs and lower bit-rates, to some benefit....but not enough.
The best 'in-between' results I have found till we get a fix for our Imageon hardware (if ever) is as follows.
P.S. I've tried playing with H264, X264, DivX 6.xxupwards, Mpeg 4 etc and various encoders from Virtual Dub and Guardian ... to DVDx and too many to mention to be honest (over 20-30 encoders over the last few years).
For movie clips or entire movies to look really good on a VGA screen IMHO and experience, you have to encode higher than QVGA but less than VGA unless like the Dell's you have a accelerator that actually work with TCPMP or Coreplayer. Our only works with the ATI software renderer, which is still miles better than any other option open to us.
So I now encode at:
Video: 480x320 at 850kbps
Audio: AAC @ 44100hz and 128kbps (if music video)
Audio:AAC @ 22050hz and 64kbps (for everything else)
I can only yield benchmark results of around 118% but
I've successfully played over 72500 frames with only 45 frames dropped!
Trust me..that is really good. 0 frames would be nice and very possible by encoding at 320x240 but the video looks to soft whereas at 480x320 it actually looks quite sharp indeed.
If you encode a genuine High def clip or movie at this resolution, the end result will look like the original HD clip or worst way, like a super-bit DVD.
1% frame 'droppage' = 725
45 frames dropped out of 72500 = less than 1/16th of 1% which = Bliss
You do the maths.
Depending on the source video, if it is full screen, so will the encoded video, but if it is in wide screen format, so will your encodes be.
For DVD conversion I got best results vs speed using (freeware) Handbrake v2.25 and Mpeg 4 decoder.
http://handbrake.m0k.org/
For individual files (VOB files), I use Any Video Converter (yeah, that's the name of the application). Same results.
For all other video files I love Smartmovie with the same setup as outlined above, except for the encoder..I use Xvid in Smartmovie.
I'll try to upload a sample video to rapidshare or something if anyone wants to view the quality and performance...but my time is somewhat limited at the moment.
P.S. The above mentioned apps are dummy proof and not too complex for noobs, so why not try it out and let us know how you get on.
Last but not least, in Coreplayer v1.1.1 or even TCPMP , if you suffer from lipsync problems, try adjusting
Menu/Tools/Preferences/Select Page/Advanced...scroll down and adjust the 'Manual A/V offset'. Mine is currently at:
-0.200 but depending on other videos I might have to adjust to -0.600...it works wonderfully (menu navigation in TCPMP might be slightly different to Coreplayer, but the option is still there).
Good luck and if you have better results than these, please post back and share your findings. Thanks
I found that the DiVx converter from DiVx works brilliantly if you set it to 'mobile'... I dont get any of these issues that everyone else seems to have - I use the official DiVx player on the Ameo and its great full screen.
adamelphick said:
I found that the DiVx converter from DiVx works brilliantly if you set it to 'mobile'... I dont get any of these issues that everyone else seems to have - I use the official DiVx player on the Ameo and its great full screen.
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I had tried that some months ago and wasn't that impressed, but maybe they have improved it. What version are you using?
mackaby007 said:
That's right, blissful viewing on your VGA Athena. How?
Don't expect to run it in a full screen window, that's how. The CPU (powerful as it is) cannot handle native VGA 640x480 full screen encodes. Probably due to the many other things it has to do simultaneously.
For full screen 640x480, we need the ATI Imageon chip acceleration support, which as we all know is not yet available and ATI/AMD have not been forthcoming in helping CoreCodec in revealing the nature of their hard/software embedded implementation. Nuff said.
320x240 resolution with extremely high bitrates won't give you the sharpness a QVGA device can playing the same resolution.
On the Hermes with the ATI chip, they finally got a resolution/fix as there seemed to be some buffering issues regarding Audio (not entirely sure if these reports were accurate), so I've been playing with Audio codecs and lower bit-rates, to some benefit....but not enough.
The best 'in-between' results I have found till we get a fix for our Imageon hardware (if ever) is as follows.
P.S. I've tried playing with H264, X264, DivX 6.xxupwards, Mpeg 4 etc and various encoders from Virtual Dub and Guardian ... to DVDx and too many to mention to be honest (over 20-30 encoders over the last few years).
For movie clips or entire movies to look really good on a VGA screen IMHO and experience, you have to encode higher than QVGA but less than VGA unless like the Dell's you have a accelerator that actually work with TCPMP or Coreplayer. Our only works with the ATI software renderer, which is still miles better than any other option open to us.
So I now encode at:
Video: 480x320 at 850kbps
Audio: AAC @ 44100hz and 128kbps (if music video)
Audio:AAC @ 22050hz and 64kbps (for everything else)
I can only yield benchmark results of around 118% but
I've successfully played over 72500 frames with only 45 frames dropped!
Trust me..that is really good. 0 frames would be nice and very possible by encoding at 320x240 but the video looks to soft whereas at 480x320 it actually looks quite sharp indeed.
If you encode a genuine High def clip or movie at this resolution, the end result will look like the original HD clip or worst way, like a super-bit DVD.
1% frame 'droppage' = 725
45 frames dropped out of 72500 = less than 1/16th of 1% which = Bliss
You do the maths.
Depending on the source video, if it is full screen, so will the encoded video, but if it is in wide screen format, so will your encodes be.
For DVD conversion I got best results vs speed using (freeware) Handbrake v2.25 and Mpeg 4 decoder.
http://handbrake.m0k.org/
For individual files (VOB files), I use Any Video Converter (yeah, that's the name of the application). Same results.
For all other video files I love Smartmovie with the same setup as outlined above, except for the encoder..I use Xvid in Smartmovie.
I'll try to upload a sample video to rapidshare or something if anyone wants to view the quality and performance...but my time is somewhat limited at the moment.
P.S. The above mentioned apps are dummy proof and not too complex for noobs, so why not try it out and let us know how you get on.
Last but not least, in Coreplayer v1.1.1 or even TCPMP , if you suffer from lipsync problems, try adjusting
Menu/Tools/Preferences/Select Page/Advanced...scroll down and adjust the 'Manual A/V offset'. Mine is currently at:
-0.200 but depending on other videos I might have to adjust to -0.600...it works wonderfully (menu navigation in TCPMP might be slightly different to Coreplayer, but the option is still there).
Good luck and if you have better results than these, please post back and share your findings. Thanks
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Hey Mark,
A couple of things that might work...try running your video's with your advantage plugged in..
another thing...if you have 16:9 video convert it into 532x300
that consistently gives me good result...
and last but not the least...try splitting your video into smaller files...none larger than 600mb
The player on my Ameo is version 0.88 andthe DivX converter is version 6. Hope that helps.
It rips straight from DVD to my Ameo SD card too.... quite quick. Although I am having problems with no subtitles at the mo the rest is fine.
fallenczar said:
Hey Mark,
A couple of things that might work...try running your video's with your advantage plugged in..
another thing...if you have 16:9 video convert it into 532x300
that consistently gives me good result...
and last but not the least...try splitting your video into smaller files...none larger than 600mb
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Thanks my friend. I'll try those suggestions and let you know.
adamelphick said:
The player on my Ameo is version 0.88 andthe DivX converter is version 6. Hope that helps.
It rips straight from DVD to my Ameo SD card too.... quite quick. Although I am having problems with no subtitles at the mo the rest is fine.
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Cheers for that mate, Just downloading it now, will try it soon.
I stand by my findings...
1) Divx Converter Using Divx 6.6
1) adamelphick's Divx Encoder
80% Benchmark Result
Resolution 592x448 (original was lower than default VGA 640x480 Portable Profile - so kept orig. Resolution of 592x448)
over 350 frames dropped
Only 20.xxx fps vs mine @ 23.79 out of 23.975 Original
2) I Used Any Video Converter with fallenczar's recommended resolution for widescreen movies for full screen viewing
Benchmark Result 131.28% Excellent.
Resolution 532x300 (slightly vertically stretched, but very viewable)
only 9 frames dropped out of 3842! Excellent!
Superb fps playback of 23.920 out of 23.976
3)I Used Any Video Converter xvid codec!
125.11% Benchmark Result
Resolution 480x320
only 4 frames dropped out of 5690!
Superb fps playback of 23.959 out of 23.976
4)I Used Any Video Converter Mpeg4 codec. Visually not quite as good as xvid, but still very good.
123.06% Benchmark Result but the audio sounded extremely slowed down! ?!??!?
Resolution 480x320
only 5 frames dropped out of 5938!
Superb fps playback of 24.979 out of 25.000 Mpeg4 codec would not allow me to keep NTSC format & I was forced to use 25fps.
Sorry if all that info above is a bit confusing, so here's the bottom line.
I've tested the Divx Encoder and Divx Mobile Player.....sorry, but it's still seriously lacking compared to Coreplayer or TCPMP. Handheld profile encodes at low resolution unfit for VGA device if you're a quality freak.
Portable Profile seriously looks good. No doubt about it and so it should as its native resolution for encoding is VGA (640x480), but then you hit the performance issues related to non accelerated Vids on VGA devices.
Verdict? No good for Athena but probably excellent for quick encodes using QVGA devices. The Player is also only capable of handling AVI vids and the encoding specs had better match its Players ability else it won't play the file.
For Fallenczar's recommended Resolution for widescreen vids, I can only say..Nice & Thanks for the tip.
If you don't mind the original Video/movie being slightly elongated, you won't notice a performance hit at all. You'll even get slightly Benchmark results than by using my method. But the benchmark results is not the sum of its parts and should only be used as an indicator, not a 'actual playback' performance gauge.
Verdict? Great tip! I'm definitely keeping this in mind for future encodes of wide screen movies & Vids. Thanks again.
Lastly I used an application called 'Any Video Converter', but in all honesty, there are many others that can do the job as well and better if you don't mind the complexity of some of the more advanced apps. But as a quick solution, you'll be hard pushed to beat this for casual and quick video files conversion. For DVD encoding I'd definitely stick with Handbrake...it's bloody fast too and uses MSDOS and no fancy GUI for viewing the video as it encodes, hence it encodes a 90 minute movie in a third of the time of the entire movie. i.e. 90 min video encoded in just under 30mins.
As the results show in no 3 & 4, even though my benchmark results are slightly lower than with fallenczars resolution for widescreen format vids, it's hard to beat how little frames are dropped whilst retaing a visually HQ video/movie.
Verdict? I absolutely stand by my findings until someone finds a way of encoding videos at native VGA at HQ with virtually no hit on performance.
I want HQ with great performance. Don't get me wrong people, we can easily achieve benchmarks in excess of 500 - 600kbps but the quality of sound and video isn't worthy of such high end PPC's. We paid a lot of dough for these devices and I'll be damned if I can't get slick HQ video on the Athena. I refuse to get a dell or Archos or whatever just to accelerate video and games....if that was my priority I'd buy a PSP and a get myself another compact HTC Hermes.
Just wait till we get some support for our Imageon devices. Let the good times roll.
P.S. Divx Encoder can't encode whatever you throw at it, mostly AVI files. Any Video Converter and quite a few others can handle most formats including high def files.
mackaby007 said:
1) Divx Converter Using Divx 6.6
1) adamelphick's Divx Encoder
80% Benchmark Result
Resolution 592x448 (original was lower than default VGA 640x480 Portable Profile - so kept orig. Resolution of 592x448)
over 350 frames dropped
Only 20.xxx fps vs mine @ 23.79 out of 23.975 Original
2) I Used Any Video Converter with fallenczar's recommended resolution for widescreen movies for full screen viewing
Benchmark Result 131.28% Excellent.
Resolution 532x300 (slightly vertically stretched, but very viewable)
only 9 frames dropped out of 3842! Excellent!
Superb fps playback of 23.920 out of 23.976
3)I Used Any Video Converter xvid codec!
125.11% Benchmark Result
Resolution 480x320
only 4 frames dropped out of 5690!
Superb fps playback of 23.959 out of 23.976
4)I Used Any Video Converter Mpeg4 codec. Visually not quite as good as xvid, but still very good.
123.06% Benchmark Result but the audio sounded extremely slowed down! ?!??!?
Resolution 480x320
only 5 frames dropped out of 5938!
Superb fps playback of 24.979 out of 25.000 Mpeg4 codec would not allow me to keep NTSC format & I was forced to use 25fps.
Sorry if all that info above is a bit confusing, so here's the bottom line.
I've tested the Divx Encoder and Divx Mobile Player.....sorry, but it's still seriously lacking compared to Coreplayer or TCPMP. Handheld profile encodes at low resolution unfit for VGA device if you're a quality freak.
Portable Profile seriously looks good. No doubt about it and so it should as its native resolution for encoding is VGA (640x480), but then you hit the performance issues related to non accelerated Vids on VGA devices.
Verdict? No good for Athena but probably excellent for quick encodes using QVGA devices. The Player is also only capable of handling AVI vids and the encoding specs had better match its Players ability else it won't play the file.
For Fallenczar's recommended Resolution for widescreen vids, I can only say..Nice & Thanks for the tip.
If you don't mind the original Video/movie being slightly elongated, you won't notice a performance hit at all. You'll even get slightly Benchmark results than by using my method. But the benchmark results is not the sum of its parts and should only be used as an indicator, not a 'actual playback' performance gauge.
Verdict? Great tip! I'm definitely keeping this in mind for future encodes of wide screen movies & Vids. Thanks again.
Lastly I used an application called 'Any Video Converter', but in all honesty, there are many others that can do the job as well and better if you don't mind the complexity of some of the more advanced apps. But as a quick solution, you'll be hard pushed to beat this for casual and quick video files conversion. For DVD encoding I'd definitely stick with Handbrake...it's bloody fast too and uses MSDOS and no fancy GUI for viewing the video as it encodes, hence it encodes a 90 minute movie in a third of the time of the entire movie. i.e. 90 min video encoded in just under 30mins.
As the results show in no 3 & 4, even though my benchmark results are slightly lower than with fallenczars resolution for widescreen format vids, it's hard to beat how little frames are dropped whilst retaing a visually HQ video/movie.
Verdict? I absolutely stand by my findings until someone finds a way of encoding videos at native VGA at HQ with virtually no hit on performance.
I want HQ with great performance. Don't get me wrong people, we can easily achieve benchmarks in excess of 500 - 600kbps but the quality of sound and video isn't worthy of such high end PPC's. We paid a lot of dough for these devices and I'll be damned if I can't get slick HQ video on the Athena. I refuse to get a dell or Archos or whatever just to accelerate video and games....if that was my priority I'd buy a PSP and a get myself another compact HTC Hermes.
Just wait till we get some support for our Imageon devices. Let the good times roll.
P.S. Divx Encoder can't encode whatever you throw at it, mostly AVI files. Any Video Converter and quite a few others can handle most formats including high def files.
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Hey Mark!
Since you seem to have loads of free time why don't you try converting your video to .mov, try it with a small 20-40 mb movie clip first..
if my memory serves me right then you should be able to get better results with it...though converion to mov if time consuming
fallenczar said:
Hey Mark!
Since you seem to have loads of free time why don't you try converting your video to .mov, try it with a small 20-40 mb movie clip first..
if my memory serves me right then you should be able to get better results with it...though converion to mov if time consuming
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Blimey, I haven't used that format for years, except for downloads from Apple.com...thanks for the tip. I'll look into it once I get some more free time.
Test Clip for download...
Just in case you can't be bothered or have the time to test these settings, just download this test video and see what you think...it's about 8.5 MB in size:
DownloadLink: http://rapidshare.com/files/50811286/10000_BC_HD_xvid.avi
Will the Advantage play a 640x480 .wmv in Windows Media Player?
mackaby007 said:
That's right, blissful viewing on your VGA Athena. How?
Don't expect to run it in a full screen window, that's how. The CPU (powerful as it is) cannot handle native VGA 640x480 full screen encodes. Probably due to the many other things it has to do simultaneously.
For full screen 640x480, we need the ATI Imageon chip acceleration support, which as we all know is not yet available and ATI/AMD have not been forthcoming in helping CoreCodec in revealing the nature of their hard/software embedded implementation. Nuff said.
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I discovered that TCPMP can not play full screen. As I have installed SmartMovie which can play full screen movie beautifully, therefore I do not bother to try run TCPMP to play movies, just use TCPMP to play music with enlarged lyrics appearing at the same time along with the pace of music. That is a joy forever.
juiceppc said:
Will the Advantage play a 640x480 .wmv in Windows Media Player?
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Possibly, if the encoding specs match that of the ones outlined in the Athena Handbook, but I believe you will get better performance from using MP4 under WMP as it will use the Imageon Hardware decoder that Coreplayer cannot use.
However from my experience, WMP is far too restrictive, hence TCPMP/Coreplayer is the best on the market. .wmv is pretty crap for PPC playback IMHO compared other formats. .wmv is fine on Full blown PC though.
panvita said:
I discovered that TCPMP can not play full screen. As I have installed SmartMovie which can play full screen movie beautifully, therefore I do not bother to try run TCPMP to play movies, just use TCPMP to play music with enlarged lyrics appearing at the same time along with the pace of music. That is a joy forever.
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No disrespect panvita, but you obviously have no idea what I've been talking about. Take any of those movies that you say is full screen in Smart Movie and run some test with it,(I use the latest version) and the Smartmovie converter cannot even encode at full VGA 640x480 by default and the PPC SmartMovie player doesn't like most videos encoded by other encoders (its limited).
What I'm trying to say is SmartMovie Player on the PPC is inferior by far to TCPMP and Coreplayer. Check the options in SmartMovie player to show framerate whilst a movie is playing and check the actual resolution too. I think you'll find that it is more often than not, Not real VGA res and when it is, your frame-rate will be terribly slow.
Then run the same movie file in TCPMP or Coreplayer and check your property settings after playing your movie file and you'll see again the frame rate achieved and how many frames were dropped.
Don't mean to sound arrogant or like a Mr Know-it-all, but it is pretty much common knowledge that Coreplayer and TCPMP is far superior to all other PPC based Video players on the market to date, even though 'It' still has its shortcomings.
mackaby007 said:
Possibly, if the encoding specs match that of the ones outlined in the Athena Handbook, but I believe you will get better performance from using MP4 under WMP as it will use the Imageon Hardware decoder that Coreplayer cannot use.
However from my experience, WMP is far too restrictive, hence TCPMP/Coreplayer is the best on the market. .wmv is pretty crap for PPC playback IMHO compared other formats. .wmv is fine on Full blown PC though.
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Core is good but if my main objective is to watch my movies(of which all are .wmv) full screen with no hiccups then why not just use WMP to do that. I like .wmv for it's simplicity. But that's just me.
juiceppc said:
Core is good but if my main objective is to watch my movies(of which all are .wmv) full screen with no hiccups then why not just use WMP to do that. I like .wmv for it's simplicity. But that's just me.
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I can't argue with that at all. Coreplayer is crap for WMV but that is exactly the format WMP likes to play.
TCPMP on x7501
I am using the TCPMP player on my new Advantage x7501 & it works perfectly!
I advise to use DirectDraw as an output! it's really better than that sucker ATI IMAGEON! Take a look at the configs and Benchmarks! (Configs in both benmarks are the same)
-Video
Video Output: DirectDraw
Video Quality: High
Smooth zoom: ON
Dither: • (on)
Accleration: ◘ (off)
-Buffering
Turned on to Micro Drive mode
Buffer Size: 32000kb
Start at: 2944
-Benchmark Using DirectDraw(File Size: 138 mb)
Average Speed: 183,86 % (!)
Video Frames: 8821
Audio Samples: 15598708
Amount of Data: 14443 KB
Codec: DivX
*PLZ PAY ATTENTION TO ANOTHER BENCHMARK USING ATI IMAGEON AS VIDEO OUTPUT*
-Benchmark Using ATI IMAGEON(File Size: 138 mb)
Average Speed: 58,71%
Video Frames: 8776
Audio Samples: 15488972
Amount of Data: 14354 KB
HOW IS IT MARK????
Try different settings...somethings wrong with yours.
hirad_sabaghian said:
I advise to use DirectDraw as an output! it's really better than that sucker ATI IMAGEON! Take a look at the configs and Benchmarks! (Configs in both benmarks are the same)
-Video
Video Output: DirectDraw
Video Quality: High
Smooth zoom: ON
Dither: • (on)
Accleration: ◘ (off)
-Buffering
Turned on to Micro Drive mode
Buffer Size: 32000kb
Start at: 2944
-Benchmark Using DirectDraw(File Size: 138 mb)
Average Speed: 183,86 % (!)
Video Frames: 8821
Audio Samples: 15598708
Amount of Data: 14443 KB
Codec: DivX
*PLZ PAY ATTENTION TO ANOTHER BENCHMARK USING ATI IMAGEON AS VIDEO OUTPUT*
-Benchmark Using ATI IMAGEON(File Size: 138 mb)
Average Speed: 58,71%
Video Frames: 8776
Audio Samples: 15488972
Amount of Data: 14354 KB
HOW IS IT MARK????
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Ooh do I detect a tone of anger or possibly sarcasm in that last statement/question? hehe
OK, the reason is probably that when you use Coreplayer or TCPMP, you have the Imageon Decoder activated...No good, NOT fixed to work with Coreplayer or TCPMP as yet.
Coreplayer: Under your video settings, ensure you have the following settings checked or enabled:
Video Output: ATI IMAGEON
Video quality: High
Smooth Zoom: On
Dither: Ticked
Acceleration: UNticked (else you'll be using the hardware decoder - no good)
Under Preferences select Direct Draw options page and select the following:
Overlay with colorkey - Ticked
Use blitting instead of overlay - Blank
Use device stretching for blitting - Blank
Overlay format - YV12
There you have it. Last but not least, don't encode videos much beyond 480x320 otherwise the Athena cannot handle it.
Try that my friend.
Same set-up for TCPMP:
Video benchmarks on coreplayer 1.25, default options.
Video 1 - Simpsons chapter
Video: XVID 512x384 25.00fps 756Kbps [Video 0]
Audio: MPEG Audio Layer 3 48000Hz stereo 131Kbps [Audio 1]
Average speed: 93%
Video 2 - Friends chapter
Video: XVID 512x384 23.98fps 845Kbps [Video 0]
Audio: MPEG Audio Layer 3 48000Hz stereo 130Kbps [Audio 1]
Average speed: 99%
Video 3 - Futurama chapter
Video: DivX 5 640x480 25.00fps 2097Kbps [Video 0]
Audio: MPEG Audio Layer 3 48000Hz stereo 120Kbps [Audio 1]
Average speed: 73%
Video 4 - Heroes.S03E08.HDTV.XviD-LOL 400mb
Video: XVID 624x352 23.98fps 1147Kbps [Video 0]
Audio: MPEG Audio Layer 3 48000Hz stereo 122Kbps [Audio 1]
Average speed: 90.11%
Video 5 - Californication.S02E07.HDTV.XviD-0TV 250mb
Video: XVID 624x352 23.98fps 1082Kbps [Video 0]
Audio: MPEG Audio Layer 3 48000Hz stereo 128Kbps [Audio 1]
Average speed: 95.57%
Video 6 - Simpsons chapter
Video: DivX 5 720x576 25.00fps 1111Kbps [Video 0]
Audio: MPEG Audio Layer 3 48000Hz stereo 128Kbps [Audio 1]
Average speed: 58%
Videos of the test: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2M95ZHD4
No 100% on ANY video, but close. Acceptable? Maybe in coreplayer 1.3.
For me, this is a total crap and a big failure of HTC again. BUY THE STUPID ATI DRIVERS F**K, ILL PAY 50$ FOR THEM
disappointment
Yes, I second that,
The poor video performance is a big downer and a very noticable thing watching your favourite smallville episode skipping frames all the time.
and the game of the ball is sloooooow and like playing a 10fps game.
I have to say I'm amazed by this. I remember when the whole Tytn II video debacle broke, we had these silly statements from HTC trying to justify the poor performance by saying it was a business phone, and didn't have video acceleration built in (which was a lie), but that future HTC devices might be "multimedia-centric" or words to that effect... well, surely the Touch HD is exactly such a multimedia device, advertised and sold as just that, so why are we still discussing lacklustre performance?
Is this gross stupidity or carelessness on the part of HTC, or is there something seriously wrong with these Qualcomm chips?
Let's just revisit the blurb on HTC's own website for a moment (before they start rewording it, as they did with the Tytn II) -
HTC said:
Enjoy music videos, films and streaming like you never thought possible on a mobile device. Experience internet browsing so exhilarating... it feels like you never left your laptop at home...
...3.8-inch wide, WVGA (480 X 800 pixel) display offering a cinema experience on the go
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Hmm.
I find this quite dissapointing. I was hoping that due to the large screen they would have made sure it can play basic video files. Those sorts of file are exactly what i would be looking to play on it too.
Hmm The more I read the more i am sawying towards an iPhone which i fine frustrating
Guys try playing those files in WMP and you will see that it will play them perfectly thanks to the hardware acceleration which unfortunately still isn't fully used in CP! Wait till CC will crack the software part of the HW acceleration and you then you will be able to watch all those movies without demuxing on Touch HD.
To those who want to know how to make .mp4 from .avi/.mkv without converting PM and I will tell how to do it in 10 minutes and not 1 hour.
How we can play this files on a program that doesnt read that codecs?
xvid/divx are all the same it is simply mpeg4 video. If you take it out of the .avi file and mux it into .mp4 it will be recognised as mpeg4 video file. Its the same with h264/x264 if you take it out from .avi and mux it into .mp4 it will be recognised as h264 video unfortunately wmp only supports baseline profile which is rarely used at all.
Remember that .avi/.mp4/.mkv are all containers that can contain the same type of video or audio stream only .mkv is special cause it can easily contain subtitles stream of different format and almost every audio format which unfortunately isn't the case with .avi and .mp4 that is why .mkv is the most popular container for all those HD rips cause you can put almost every kind of thing.
update !
I hear the sound of a deal breaking....while this is a disappointment for sure the real crunch for me would be if the video suffered in ordinary performance as my polaris did (eg low screen rewrites pretty obvious in TT7).
I am not into benchmarks, just one of those "business users" that likes to have some multimedia on my device. Just watching ep 7 of se 4 of The Unit on Coreplayer 1.2.5 in fullscreen landscape from Divx 624x352, and find it plays really well, with no lag or performance problems. So for the occasional user like me the HD is doing just fine.
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xvid/divx are all the same it is simply mpeg4 video. If you take it out of the .avi file and mux it into .mp4 it will be recognised as mpeg4 video file. Its the same with h264/x264 if you take it out from .avi and mux it into .mp4 it will be recognised as h264 video unfortunately wmp only supports baseline profile which is rarely used at all.
Remember that .avi/.mp4/.mkv are all containers that can contain the same type of video or audio stream only .mkv is special cause it can easily contain subtitles stream of different format and almost every audio format which unfortunately isn't the case with .avi and .mp4 that is why .mkv is the most popular container for all those HD rips cause you can put almost every kind of thing.
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what???
xvid and divx are codecs, not simply videos, if you mux a xvid/divx video in one container, it will be a mpeg4 container with xvid/divx video, and windows media player will not play it until you convert the video to another codec with loss of quality, bigger size and loss of time, so is not that easy and for us, say that "use windows media player" is a useless comment.
I uploaded the videos with that I made the benchmarks
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2M95ZHD4
Just tried Heroes Episode 8 on my i780, and here are the results:
GDI - 181,36%
Raw Framebuffer - 206,13%
Intel xScale - 213,59%
Direct Draw - 182,2%
However taking into account the difference in resolution from the older models and the Touch HD i think this could justify the difference in performance.
Also, maybe Core Player is not using effectively the architecture of the Touch HD.
But... this is a new machine and as such it should be ready to play acceptably the videos.
On the Omnia I can play a 700 MB AVI file almost perfectly smoothly without any conversion at all. I can simple place the original high-quality video AVI onto the Omnia and play it.
Is this the same case for the Touch HD? Can you do the same thing and it will play (even if you need to use WMP)? Or do you have to convert it down to a lower quality first like on previous phones?
The Omnia included by default a DivX player, this is not the case of the Blackstone, however with Core Player or the free TCMP you can watch virtually any movie without converting it.
The Omnia is also based around a different processor, not made by Qualcomm. I suspect that helps as well.
this is so disappointing...
my only wish is that CorePlayer 1.2.5 actually doesn't use the hardware acceleration of the touch hd as it should.
because if this is the actual performance of the hardware then, at least me, i wont spent 700 euro on this device which promises to be multimedia device but actually isn't.
can someone convert a file that is playable with the built-in video player or WMP but this file should be of relatively high resolution say 720x400 (wmv, mp4 whatever) and then see how's the performance?
maybe this is just a coreplayer poor performance issue here are we're just blaming the device for nothing...
ps. I had the omnia for couple of weeks, the video performance of IntelXScale is absolutely amazing even on high resolution videos, also I don't think the 240x400 resolution of the omnia plays a big factor here, i suppose that even if the omnia had 480x800 resolution, the performance would be the same (maybe bit slower, but definitely more than 100%)
Hi, I've just tryied this video: http://downloads.gamezone.com/demos/d24115.htm which is infact an 800x480 wmv file. Coreplayer 1.2.5 benchmarked at 46% with QTv, even less with other methods. Windows Media Player however managed to play it much much better, even if with some dropped frames.. definitely not a smooth playback but at least was not a slideshow like in CorePlayer...
downloading a 640x480 wmv video.. I'll report back with results..
Edit: the second video is this one: http://www.casadolcecasa.com/gallery/video/Natale2004_hig.wmv
WMP: watchable, first part kinda sluggish, then goes better (supposedly because most of the img is dark -> easier to decode)
CP1.2.5: unwatchable, frames slideshow.. 56% with QTv
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ps. I had the omnia for couple of weeks, the video performance of IntelXScale is absolutely amazing even on high resolution videos, also I don't think the 240x400 resolution of the omnia plays a big factor here, i suppose that even if the omnia had 480x800 resolution, the performance would be the same (maybe bit slower, but definitely more than 100%)
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and on what facts do you base this opinion? nobody know how fast it would play. the HD resolution has to display 4 times more pixel than the omnia
I wasn't sure which forum to put this in. I am using my Evo as my primary PMP as well as my phone. I wanted to have a thread with tips/info/help on video coversion formats, bitrates, resolutions to optimize space and maintain great viewing. I use FormatFactory to convert my videos. I did some reading and converted a lot of my videos again but this time to a 720x480 res with 1024bitrate H.264 format. I had some videos that were already H.264 but 480x272 600bitrate. I have found that these smaller videos look just as good to me on the Evo as the larger bitrate counterpart. Has anyone else noticed this or is it just my eyes?
I'm very interested in getting some specs/guidelines for encoding also. Currently I just throw any avi file in there and it works great. But most of my library is h.264/x.264 HD in mkv format. I would love to be able to get some of that stuff working on this phone. Work is boring and I need something to keep me awake lol.
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All of my H.264 files are in mp4 format.
Not all H.264 format will play on the EVO. They cannot play H.264 format that uses a high and/or some main profiles. The baseline profile always seem to work though. If you download a program called "mediainfo" it will show the the H.264 profile that the video is encoded in.
Rockplayer is good for playing all kinds of media on the EVO. Unfortunately I find the audio lag (most of the time) very annoying and thus ruining the experience.
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Not all H.264 format will play on the EVO. They cannot play H.264 format that uses a high and/or some main profiles. The baseline profile always seem to work though. If you download a program called "mediainfo" it will show the the H.264 profile that the video is encoded in.
Rockplayer is good for playing all kinds of media on the EVO. Unfortunately I find the audio lag (most of the time) very annoying and thus ruining the experience.
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Ah! That is great to know. I couldn't figure out why some of the h264 stuff I had would work and some wouldn't. Now I just gotta check to see if that's the reason. And I love rock player, plays just about anything.
Only gripe I have is that it seems to have trouble with mkv files. They're very blocky and distorted. It could be the way they are encoded, but I'm not sure
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I have found that having 2 media players is better than one. My past experience was that while one player has audio lag, another will not have lag when playing the same file.
I am currently testing a conversion using a smaller bitrate. I have been using 1024 for the h.264 bitrate. I am converting a video using a bitrate of 768 but I am using a 2 pass encode instead of a single pass. I will post the results.
Its pointless to do two pass as you can't really tell the difference on an evo. You might be able to see the difference on a 40+ inch TV. If I plan to use the video on the evo and tv I usually go with a 1200 bitrate for standard videos and 1400 bitrate for action videos. All my videos are one pass only. For the evo 700 bitrate should be enough.
I just use Rockplayer, no need for transcode--it just plays! (720p stuff stutters though)
I transcode my files to save space on my sd card. I have found that the 768 bitrate works good for me. I have always done the 2 pass encode on any action films even at what I call "normal" bitrates. Everything looks great on this phone.
I haven't experimented with video much, but for audio, i use 40 kbit/s. I have 11k songs on my phone with plenty of room to spare (18/32gb used), and noone notices the quality if i play the songs on a stereo or receiver at a party.
You can definitely hear a difference in a 40kbs mp3. Are u sure it is 40kbs? I would imagine that would sound awful.
If you are an audiophile, you wouldn't be happy. I keep my computer audio at 320 if at all possible, but honestly, 40 done right is considered "telephone" quality. I'd be dumb to professionally DJ at that low, and yes you'd hear a difference in a comparison, but I assure you if you busted out your evo in any social situation and played a few tracks at 40 on speakerphone alone, most would be impressed... unless said friends were audiophiles.
And by telephone, I mean the quality of audio you'd expect to hear on a landline telephone conversation. You could always experiment and use 80 96 or 128, I found 40 was nice for me and 32 too low.
i find rockplayer very good but none of my 500+ 720p mkv files will play without stutter it could be that the audio decoder cant handle the audio more then likely i havent tried remuxing with stereo AAC audio yet because most times i prefer avi divx rips on phone since only thing i watch on phone is latest tv episodes i usually download hdtv rips from like FQM or LOL and they work flawless no encoding necessary and there small and i can download right to phone while at work without having to plan ahead but one program i have found that works great with mkv is
Daniusoft Video Converter Ultimate
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Output Device Support
Apple iPod touch 4, iPod nano, iPod classic, iPhone, iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, iPhone 4 HD, iPad, iPad HD, Apple TV, Apple TV HD
HTC Droid Incredible, Droid2, Droid Eris, Desire, Hero, Legend, Wildfire, Magic Tattoo, Dream T-Mobile G1, Mytouch 3G, Diamond, HTC HD2, EVO 4G, Android OS, HTC Aria
Motorola Droid, i1, XT720, Milestone, CLIQ, CLIQ XT, DEVOUR, Flipout, BACKFLIP, DEXT, Quench
Nokia N900, X6, X3, 5800 XpressMusic, E63, 5230, E72, N97, N95, N73
BlackBerry Tour series, Storm series, Bold series, Curve 8900, Curve 8500, Curve 8300, Curve 8310, Pearl Flip, Pearl 8800, Pearl 3G, Pearl 8100, Blackberry Torch 9800
Game Hardware PSP, PS3, PS3 HD, Xbox 360, Xbox 360 HD, Wii, NDS
Microsoft Zune Zune, Zune HD
Mobile Phones Nexus one, Samsung i7500, 3GP, 3GP2, Pocket PC, Palm Pre, HP IPAQ, Palm Pixi, Samsung Behold, Samsung Moment, Samsung Galaxy Spica, Sumsang Vibrant, Sumsang Captivate, LG Prime, LG enV touch VX1 1000, LG Xenon GR500, LG KP500, Sony Ericssion XPERIA x10
Archos Archos 7, Archos 5, Archos 605/704/705, Archos 504/604, Archos 404/405, Archos AV500/AV700, Archos 105, Archos Player
Creative ZEN ZEN X-Fi, ZEN X-Fi2, ZEN VPLUS, Creative Version, Creative MX
Sandisk Sansa E200 serise, View, Fuze
Media Players SONY Walkman, Dell Player, iRiver P7, iRiver SPINN, iRiver E100
i ripped all of Battlestar Galactica season 1 from 720p mkv (2GB per episode to around 400 MB per episode)and was amazing quality with this program
heres some programs for you to check out if u want to get into encoding
tsmuxer
mkvtoolnix
avisynth
ripbotx264
StaxRip
AlltoAVI
MP4Box
Gotsent
MEGUI
these are itunes hd settigns and un drmed itunes hd plays flawless on evo
if u encode to these settings depending on source it works perfect on evo
another tip if u buy tv shows on itunes and want to undrm use requiem or tunebite
then just drag and drop onto sd and your set
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Overall bit rate : 4 664 Kbps
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : [email protected]
Format settings, CABAC : No
Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
Codec ID : drmi
Duration : 43mn 40s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 4 116 Kbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.186
Stream size : 1.26 GiB (88%)
use Handbrake to encode it using the Iphone/Ipod Touch presets. It comes out PERFECT every time.
I've found that I can get decent, watchable quality MP4 files with the following Handbrake settings. And by watchable, I mean, just having something to look at while traveling. I won't be routing video out via hdmi.
Picture tab:
Anamorphic - None
Keep aspect ration - checked
Width - 480 (let height take care of itself)
Video tab:
Codec - H.264
Framerate - Same as source
Constant Quality - Drop the slider to 50%
Audio tab:
Sample rate - 44.1
Bitrate - 96
All other tabs and settings remain at their stock defaults.
I'm getting 4Gb DVD .vob files shrunk down to about 250Mb. So there's plenty of room for quite a few full length movies on the SD card.
Using Rockplayer, I don't get any video pauses/ripping or audio skipping at all.
I use format factory to create my H.264 videos and it works great as well. I use these custom settings:
VideoCodec=AVC(H264)
VideoBitrate=768000
Width=720
Height=480
FPS=23.976
AspectRatio=0.000
AudioCodec=AAC
AudioBitrate=160000
SampleRate=44100
Channel=2
Volume=3
I am trying to find the perfect bitrate to filesize ratio. The 768 bitrate single pass encoding gives very good quality when viewed on the Evo. I am going to try to test 640 single pass and 512 2-pass and see how the quality compares. I want to find the lowest bitrate that still looks good on the Evo(no pixelation or blurry images) in order to maximize the disc space. If I am going to be using my Evo for my pmp as well as my phone/internet device/part time game system, I need as much storage space as I can get.
Quick Comparison of Notion Ink Adam vs. Motorola Xoom
check out the video!
Great Review comparing the two. Thanks for the effort.
Good review. I'm actually surprised the Adam's PQI doesn't look nearly as bad in comparison as I thought it was. Its a bit odd the Xoom's screen is that much larger..
Great review. thanks!
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Good review. I'm actually surprised the Adam's PQI doesn't look nearly as bad in comparison as I thought it was. Its a bit odd the Xoom's screen is that much larger..
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I'm not sure about the PixelQi viewing angles, but the LCD viewing angles are terrible compared to the Xoom. The viewing angles on the Xoom are top notch. I noticed that my buddy had his Xoom laying flat on his lap without his hands on the device. Unfortunately, I can't leave the Adam flat on my lap -- if I do, I can't see the screen. I find myself constantly having to hold the Adam in the right position just to get a decent view of the screen.
Additionally, the overall feel of the Xoom was much better than the Adam. The Adam just feels cheaply made to me... the plastic on the back feels like cheap plastic and the overall construction is a bit shoddy to me. The white edges don't have a clean, smooth edge where they meet the black plastic which isn't a big deal... but even the ViewSonic G-Tablet had a cleaner finish. The bigger thing that bothers me is the cheap plastic on the back -- I wish they would have used the rubberish plastic on the back like they did on the battery cover.
The Xoom (and even the G-Tablet) also have nice rounded corners which make the device feel a lot better in the hand. I was surprised to find that the square corners of the Adam bother me while I'm holding it -- it digs into your hand a bit. The overall build of the Xoom is also a lot nicer than the Adam. The Adam has way too much bezel at the top and the bezels are quite large all the way around the device. The Xoom on the other hand has very nice bezels that fit the device very well -- they're an even size all the way around the device and they are slightly smaller than the iPad, but not so small that it becomes hard to hold the device.
That being said, the internal hardware of the Adam seems to be just as good as the Xoom and it includes a full-size HDMI port and multiple USB ports. After using the HDMI port on the Adam though, it left me wanting something more. The videos on YouTube would slow down to the point where they're out of sync with the audio (only when the HDMI was plugged in) and the picture just seemed overall pixelated. I still think it would be really nice for watching videos on the big screen, so I'll need to test out a local video to see if it causes any slowdowns on local video or just YouTube. The USB ports are also really nice... I've never had an actual need for them, but it is convenient to have the ports available in case I ever want to plug in a USB Keyboard / Mouse or thumb drive... Oh, and the cameras -- I was really stoked about the swivel camera on the Adam, but I've found it's kind of cheap feeling... I didn't use the Xoom camera much, but the quality seemed pretty decent for the handful of shots I took (and the Honeycomb camera app is really nice).
Can anyone test and see if the Notion ink can play this file smoothly?
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9502388/Pla...to.Pole.2006.720p.HDDVD.x264-ESiR (1)-001.mkv
Its a stress test for 720p video. Its the intro to the first episode of planet earth in high profile h.264. The key part is the ending of this video where the birds start flying and the bitrate spikes.
The reason I ask is that people in the Xoom section claim that the reason the Xoom cannot play high profile h.264 is that it hasn't received the proper codecs and optimization like the Notion Ink does. Before I buy a tablet I want to know that it can play at least 720p videos. I want to make sure that the Tegra 2 is capable of at least playing 720P, because my Epic4g Galaxy S phone plays this file flawlessly.
Thanks a lot.
As i said before on the video, great work inspiron
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Can anyone test and see if the Notion ink can play this file smoothly?
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9502388/Pla...to.Pole.2006.720p.HDDVD.x264-ESiR (1)-001.mkv
Its a stress test for 720p video. Its the intro to the first episode of planet earth in high profile h.264. The key part is the ending of this video where the birds start flying and the bitrate spikes.
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I tried it on the Utopia Beta (GB) and it didn't work. The out of the box video player wouldn't even play it. RockPlayer and QQPlayer would load the video but it was playing back at a very low, unwatchable framerate.
Maybe someone with a stock Adam can test for you as they have a different VideoPlayer. The Tegra chip is known for having trouble with High Profile h.264 though. I'm tempted to convert it to Main Profile and see how it looks...
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I tried it on the Utopia Beta (GB) and it didn't work. The out of the box video player wouldn't even play it. RockPlayer and QQPlayer would load the video but it was playing back at a very low, unwatchable framerate.
Maybe someone with a stock Adam can test for you as they have a different VideoPlayer. The Tegra chip is known for having trouble with High Profile h.264 though. I'm tempted to convert it to Main Profile and see how it looks...
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Thank you so much for trying it. I am trying to see exactly what the limitations are for the Tegra 2 and if the Notion Ink can play media better than the Xoom. If it does then its a matter of codec support most likely. I figured if the Notion Ink could play this file, then it could play any 720p which would be good enough for me.
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Thank you so much for trying it. I am trying to see exactly what the limitations are for the Tegra 2 and if the Notion Ink can play media better than the Xoom. If it does then its a matter of codec support most likely. I figured if the Notion Ink could play this file, then it could play any 720p which would be good enough for me.
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Per my original comment, I've converted the video to Main Profile x264. The download link for my version of the test file is below (note the MP4 extension):
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17735781/Planet.Earth.EP01.From.Pole.to.Pole.2006.720p.HDDVD.x264-ESiR.mp4
Unfortunately, even this video doesn't play back properly on my Adam with the Utopia Beta Rom... I'm going to a little tinkering as this is something that has interested me as well...
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[18:54:12] job configuration:
[18:54:12] * source
[18:54:12] + Planet.Earth.EP01.From.Pole.to.Pole.2006.720p.HDDVD.x264-ESiR (1)-001.mkv
[18:54:12] + title 1, chapter(s) 1 to 1
[18:54:12] + container: matroska,webm
[18:54:12] + data rate: 448 kbps
[18:54:12] * destination
[18:54:12] + PEMain.mp4
[18:54:12] + container: MPEG-4 (.mp4 and .m4v)
[18:54:12] * video track
[18:54:12] + decoder: h264
[18:54:12] + frame rate: same as source (around 23.976 fps)
[18:54:12] + strict anamorphic
[18:54:12] + storage dimensions: 1280 * 720 -> 1280 * 720, crop 0/0/0/0, mod 0
[18:54:12] + pixel aspect ratio: 1 / 1
[18:54:12] + display dimensions: 1280 * 720
[18:54:12] + encoder: x264
[18:54:12] + options: ref=2:bframes=2:subme=6:mixed-refs=0:weightb=0:8x8dct=0:trellis=0
[18:54:12] + quality: 20.00 (RF)
[18:54:12] * audio track 0
[18:54:12] + decoder: English (AC3) (5.1 ch) (track 1, id 1)
[18:54:12] + bitrate: 448 kbps, samplerate: 48000 Hz
[18:54:12] + mixdown: Dolby Pro Logic II
[18:54:12] + encoder: faac
[18:54:12] + bitrate: 160 kbps, samplerate: 48000 Hz
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Per my original comment, I've converted the video to Main Profile x264. The download link for my version of the test file is below (note the MP4 extension):
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17735781/Planet.Earth.EP01.From.Pole.to.Pole.2006.720p.HDDVD.x264-ESiR.mp4
Unfortunately, even this video doesn't play back properly on my Adam with the Utopia Beta Rom... I'm going to a little tinkering as this is something that has interested me as well...
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Hmm. I wonder if it could be an issue with the 6 channel audio. I chose this clip because its the 720p version of what is called the "killa sample", which is a 1080p clip that tests fairly accurately if your current computer setup can handle any 1080p you can throw at it. This video's bitrate spikes to 23,000Kbps during the bird scene for example, which is huge for an 720p video.
I figured that if the Tegra 2 could play this, it could play anything.
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Hmm. I wonder if it could be an issue with the 6 channel audio. I chose this clip because its the 720p version of what is called the "killa sample", which is a 1080p clip that tests fairly accurately if your current computer setup can handle any 1080p you can throw at it. This video's bitrate spikes to 23,000Kbps during the bird scene for example, which is huge for an 720p video.
I figured that if the Tegra 2 could play this, it could play anything.
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I re-encoded the video using the Apple Universal preset in HandBrakeCLI and the video now plays fine on my tablet. If I use RockPlayer Lite, it even allows me to select the second audio track which should be 6 channel audio (even though XBMC reports it as stereo?).
On the tablet, I don't really see a major difference in quality. I was surprised that on my 1080p 52", there is a difference but it was still actually pretty good quality. The downside is, that each video you have would have to be re-encoded if you wanted to watch them on your tablet.... this is definitely not something I'm interested in doing for all my videos.
I've linked to the Apple Universal sample below:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17735781/PlanetEarthiOS.mp4
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[19:42:42] job configuration:
[19:42:42] * source
[19:42:42] + Planet.Earth.EP01.From.Pole.to.Pole.2006.720p.HDDVD.x264-ESiR (1)-001.mkv
[19:42:42] + title 1, chapter(s) 1 to 1
[19:42:42] + container: matroska,webm
[19:42:42] + data rate: 448 kbps
[19:42:42] * destination
[19:42:42] + PlanetEarthiOS.mp4
[19:42:42] + container: MPEG-4 (.mp4 and .m4v)
[19:42:42] * video track
[19:42:42] + decoder: h264
[19:42:42] + frame rate: same as source (around 23.976 fps)
[19:42:42] + loose anamorphic
[19:42:42] + storage dimensions: 1280 * 720 -> 720 * 400, crop 0/0/0/0, mod 0
[19:42:42] + pixel aspect ratio: 80 / 81
[19:42:42] + display dimensions: 711 * 400
[19:42:42] + encoder: x264
[19:42:42] + options: cabac=0:ref=2:me=umh:bframes=0:weightp=0:8x8dct=0:trellis=0:subme=6
[19:42:42] + quality: 20.00 (RF)
[19:42:42] * audio track 0
[19:42:42] + decoder: English (AC3) (5.1 ch) (track 1, id 1)
[19:42:42] + bitrate: 448 kbps, samplerate: 48000 Hz
[19:42:42] + mixdown: Dolby Pro Logic II
[19:42:42] + encoder: faac
[19:42:42] + bitrate: 160 kbps, samplerate: 48000 Hz
[19:42:42] * audio track 1
[19:42:42] + decoder: English (AC3) (5.1 ch) (track 1, id 1)
[19:42:42] + bitrate: 448 kbps, samplerate: 48000 Hz
[19:42:42] + AC3 passthrough
My own tests
I happened to have some original video handy, and a new Adam that showed up on Friday, so I did some testing. The original video was shot on a Panasonic HMC40 camcorder at 24Mb/s 1080/24p. I did a bunch of 2 minute encodings in Sony Vegas, using the Sony AVC CODEC. At 720/24p and 4Mb/s, I had baseline, main, and high profiles all playing perfectly. Going to 6Mb/s, I started to see issues, though on other 6Mb/s videos, no so much. By 8Mb/s, or 1080/24p baseline at 4Mb/s, I saw the same issues.
Not sure about the bitrate issues, I went to another encoder, MainConcept AVC. I encoded 720/24p in VBR, main profile (MC doesn't do high), average 6Mb/s, peak 8Mb/s. This played just dandy, no de-sync or glitches. So there's definitely something that's encoder dependent, which also explains why some of the tests with x264 and others folks have done may yield different results.
The issue is that the video player is taking a bit too long on some frames, for sure. but the real issue is that the player isn't dropping frames to compensate. This is actually true of three players on my system: the default "Gallery" player, the Notion Ink player, and the ES File Manager player, all of which I'm sure access the same OS component for their work. I tried a few other "players" from the Market, but they produce identical results.
Normal PC video players, satellite boxes, DVD and Blu-ray players, they all have the ability to drop frames to keep audio in sync. In the latter two cases, this is to get around errors: bitstream glitches, read problems, etc. But fact is, most people don't notice the occasional dropped frame. So this is the longstanding practice.
I think I'd find many more of these acceptable if the player could drop frames and maintain audio sync. It's actually kind of weird... looks like audio and video are totally different threads or something. On the higher bitrate videos, the audio finishes, the video keeps playing until it catches up ... very 1980, in computer video terms.
Looking to convert some vids over to load on Atrix. What is the max width, height, framerate and bit rate that the Atrix will play. Looking for best pic and sound, not necessarily concerned with size?
1 more thing, what is the best App to use to convert ?
Thanks from a newbie Atrix owner!
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Listed below is the H.264 profiles supported
Baseline Profile up to 1080P, 20Mbps
Main Profile :
Progressive, CAVLC, no WP up to 1080P, 20Mbps
Progressive, CABAC, no WP up to 720P, 4-6Mbps
Progressive, CABAC, WP up to 480P, 2Mbps
Progressive, CAVLC, WP up to 480P, 2Mbps
Interlaced, CABAC,no WP up to D1, 3 mbps
High Profile
Progressive, CABAC, no WP up to 720P, 2 Mbps
Progressive, CAVLC, no WP up to 720P, 2 Mbps
Progressive, CABAC, WP up to 480P, 2Mbps
Progressive, CAVLC, WP up to 480P, 2Mbps
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This list is accurate. MKV containers are not supported. They do have to be an MP4.
As far as a program that can transcode your stuff.... handbrake is good... I use Megui on my windows based desktop because avisynth is very flexible
(Megui link for all interested: http://sourceforge.net/projects/megui/ )
Also, i have a video sitting on my phone that is some weird res... like 1904x976... as long as its resized mod16 you should be fine...
There is a thread debating this from a couple days ago. My suggestion is get megui, use the x264 main profile for video and get nero aac for audio. Have fun~~
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I'm on win 7, I use this GPU accelerated video encoder called Badaboom2 from Elemental Technologies. The 2.0 version will offer additional profiles, i simply drag the movies you currently have: mkv, avi, divx, wmv. or if you have a DVD movie you want to convert. After drag and drop, select the output:
Output: Motorola Xoom
Profile: Baseline
Level: Auto
Highest Quality @ 3500kbit
Resolution: 1280x720
Aspect Ratio: Fill to Aspect
Now, this is assuming that you are going to convert/transcode HD videos as source for HD playback on the Atrix or via dock. Atrix will support MP4 with H.264 baseline profile. The Atrix processor is similar to Moto Xoom so start with Xoom's profile and adjust that accordingly. But a update is on the way for Atrix to support high and in addition to native mkv. I suggest you download a trail of Badaboom2 and try it out, you can convert up to 30 full length videos as a trail, by then the Atrix update should land, you won't need to convert any mkv files after that. Simply uninstall Badaboom =)
Thanks for the advice. Will try!
What playback software do you use? Is there an icon for the built-in player/what's it's name? So far I've only invoked it through files.
Is there anything that takes advantage of dual-cores and Tegra?
I've tried QQview, but it doesn't seem to be able to scan my MicroSD card because it sees the internal as SDcard and doesn't seem able to go 'up' a level from there...?
My main interest is being able to play torrent downloaded files *without* conversion. So far a 720p xVid seemed fine but a bit h.264 did not.
I use ImTOO video converter. there is no atrix setting yet
i have trield many different H.264 and most do not work. H.263 works but it wont auto resize, meaning playback through the phone is scaled to about 50% size despite perfect resolution.
Then i tried the xvid option, 2000kB/s stream, this particular movie was 1280x544 and it went full screen and played very well on the atrix hd dock and webtop.
One issue, i trield to copy a 4 gig file to my phone and it said file is too large despite the 32gig capaicty of this microSD!
twistedneck said:
I use ImTOO video converter. there is no atrix setting yet
i have trield many different H.264 and most do not work. H.263 works but it wont auto resize, meaning playback through the phone is scaled to about 50% size despite perfect resolution.
Then i tried the xvid option, 2000kB/s stream, this particular movie was 1280x544 and it went full screen and played very well on the atrix hd dock and webtop.
One issue, i trield to copy a 4 gig file to my phone and it said file is too large despite the 32gig capaicty of this microSD!
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Mate sd card is formatted in fat32. 4gb is the file size limit.
MotoAtrixFan said:
I'm on win 7, I use this GPU accelerated video encoder called Badaboom2 from Elemental Technologies. The 2.0 version will offer additional profiles, i simply drag the movies you currently have: mkv, avi, divx, wmv. or if you have a DVD movie you want to convert. After drag and drop, select the output:
Output: Motorola Xoom
Profile: Baseline
Level: Auto
Highest Quality @ 3500kbit
Resolution: 1280x720
Aspect Ratio: Fill to Aspect
Now, this is assuming that you are going to convert/transcode HD videos as source for HD playback on the Atrix or via dock. Atrix will support MP4 with H.264 baseline profile. The Atrix processor is similar to Moto Xoom so start with Xoom's profile and adjust that accordingly. But a update is on the way for Atrix to support high and in addition to native mkv. I suggest you download a trail of Badaboom2 and try it out, you can convert up to 30 full length videos as a trail, by then the Atrix update should land, you won't need to convert any mkv files after that. Simply uninstall Badaboom =)
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I liked Badaboom! Got me thinking about Sopranos
Avatar is somewhere around 8,3GB in MKV 720p. After this it will be around 4GB in 720p. Thats nice!
resize on atrix
If your videos are not taking advantage of all the pixles on the screen use mvideoplayer from the market. Under the settings you can make it play videos fill or strech for the screen and it still looks great for me.