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Why would you want Honeycomb (on a phone?)

Well there's the question, why would you want Honeycomb on your fascinate? I mean, it looks nice from what I saw of the xoom demo but it really doesn't look like it would be nice on a phone just yet, so why ask/want it, why not wait until something actually meant for a phone is developed?
I just don't understand the want/"NEED" for honeycomb on my fascinate, can't we just keep it to actual phone OS's for now?

gabenoob said:
Well there's the question, why would you want Honeycomb on your fascinate? I mean, it looks nice from what I saw of the xoom demo but it really doesn't look like it would be nice on a phone just yet, so why ask/want it, why not wait until something actually meant for a phone is developed?
I just don't understand the want/"NEED" for honeycomb on my fascinate, can't we just keep it to actual phone OS's for now?
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Same reason everyone wanted DJ05, DL09 and DL30...they always want something new. Instead of optimizing what they have and being content, they rather complain and wish for something better to come along.

I get that, but whats with the wanting of this new thing if its not even meant for a phone; I mean I wouldn't want something clunky and literally designed for something bigger on a 'tiny' device. It would just be wrong. I fail to see how even those who continually ask for new shiny things would overlook the real incompatabiliteis with a phone. I can see asking for Gingerbread, but even that's a bit much. I mean, we have Froyo, and now my brother with his fancy incredible is actually jealous of my phone. I think things are great, and I understand the desire for new shiny things, but honeycomb really isn't for phones, so why be ignorant of that?

gabenoob said:
I get that, but whats with the wanting of this new thing if its not even meant for a phone; I mean I wouldn't want something clunky and literally designed for something bigger on a 'tiny' device. It would just be wrong. I fail to see how even those who continually ask for new shiny things would overlook the real incompatabiliteis with a phone. I can see asking for Gingerbread, but even that's a bit much. I mean, we have Froyo, and now my brother with his fancy incredible is actually jealous of my phone. I think things are great, and I understand the desire for new shiny things, but honeycomb really isn't for phones, so why be ignorant of that?
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keep in mind though...froyo wasn't meant for our specific phones either...we're all running a leaked version. For all we know, after a year of addl development the next ota update may be honeycomb...

jenisiz said:
keep in mind though...froyo wasn't meant for our specific phones either...we're all running a leaked version. For all we know, after a year of addl development the next ota update may be honeycomb...
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honeycomb is for tablets!!

ace5198 said:
honeycomb is for tablets!!
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3.0's UI is meant to be able to scale down to phone sizes. The current developer preview doesn't work exceptionally well when that's done to it (it's buggy, but obviously meant to), but it's not anywhere near a finished product (it's really meant to show the APIs).
Android also isn't being forked, there isn't going to be a Phone version and a Tablet version, future phones will be running the 3 series (they might wait for 3.1, but they will run 3). They will pretty much have to if any of them want to use the newer dual-core CPUs that should be just about to hit the phone segment.
Also, don't forget that Android 3.0 adds a fair bit of new APIs, not all of which are meant exclusively for tablets (there's a fair bit of HW acceleration stuff, IIRC).

KitsuneKnight said:
3.0's UI is meant to be able to scale down to phone sizes. The current developer preview doesn't work exceptionally well when that's done to it (it's buggy, but obviously meant to), but it's not anywhere near a finished product (it's really meant to show the APIs).
Android also isn't being forked, there isn't going to be a Phone version and a Tablet version, future phones will be running the 3 series (they might wait for 3.1, but they will run 3). They will pretty much have to if any of them want to use the newer dual-core CPUs that should be just about to hit the phone segment.
Also, don't forget that Android 3.0 adds a fair bit of new APIs, not all of which are meant exclusively for tablets (there's a fair bit of HW acceleration stuff, IIRC).
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im sure that it could be scaled down to use on a phone.. and actually i believe somewhere i seen that it was.. but everything ive read said its desinged specifically for tabs.. im sure there will be a 3.1 or 2.5,,6,7,8 or whatecer for the new apis.. but everything ive read says 3.0 is for tabs.. im not saying im right.. but thats just what ive read

ace5198 said:
im sure that it could be scaled down to use on a phone.. and actually i believe somewhere i seen that it was.. but everything ive read said its desinged specifically for tabs.. im sure there will be a 3.1 or 2.5,,6,7,8 or whatecer for the new apis.. but everything ive read says 3.0 is for tabs.. im not saying im right.. but thats just what ive read
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The new user interface is designed for tablets, as well as parts of the new APIs. Nothing prevents you from replacing the launcher, and hopefully by the time Honeycomb stabilizes, the new Launcher won't just force close at lower resolutions (but this isn't meant to be a preview of the new interface, but of the APIs).

I don't understand you question.
Honeycomb is simply the natural progression of Android. Hence why its 3.0. Eventually all Android devices will be on 3.x of some kind just as iOS was able to merge its variant it made for the iPad with the rest of the family.
Google had a separate team continue to small upgrades in the 2.x line while the AAA team worked on a tablet enahnced 3.0 Honeycomb variant.
I'm sure as this year moves (early next) on we'll see a 3.1 version come out that has the appropriate scaling features to handle screens of all sizes.
This is evidenced by the same Gmail app being used in both. Just different views based on overall screen size. Also, 3.0 and 2.3 have code to allow devs to make different views based on screen size. The base code is there, its just now gotta be merged to be one line again.
So, why do I want honeycomb? I don't. I want to continue to be using the latest version of Android, what its build version is is not important. (2.3, 2.4, 3.0, 3.1) As long as its made to work with the hardware I have and adds improvements, I want it.

Stop the debate:
http://www.bgr.com/2011/02/03/google-will-not-bring-honeycomb-to-smartphones/

mexiken said:
Stop the debate:
http://www.bgr.com/2011/02/03/google-will-not-bring-honeycomb-to-smartphones/
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All that says is 3.0 i.e. Honeycomb won't be on phones. I am sure a later 3.x version will once the code has been merged from 2.x.

I thought 3.0 is where we finally get hardware accelerated UI, is this correct?
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superchunkwii said:
All that says is 3.0 i.e. Honeycomb won't be on phones. I am sure a later 3.x version will once the code has been merged from 2.x.
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And this thread is about Honeycomb... Not 3.x versions.

crookshanks said:
And this thread is about Honeycomb... Not 3.x versions.
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Honeycomb is 3.0

gabenoob said:
Well there's the question, why would you want Honeycomb on your fascinate? I mean, it looks nice from what I saw of the xoom demo but it really doesn't look like it would be nice on a phone just yet, so why ask/want it, why not wait until something actually meant for a phone is developed?
I just don't understand the want/"NEED" for honeycomb on my fascinate, can't we just keep it to actual phone OS's for now?
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I'd want the built-in data encryption features.

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Hmm alright; what I was asking is that where it stands now it is a Tablet OS, why would anyone want something like that on a phone. As shown in the link, google does not mean for Honeycomb to be brought to phones (3.0) but maybe at a later date a later variant of the 3.1 series will.
The original question I had in mind was why would anyone want it, in its current state, on a phone, as I've seen threads asking for it; and for the life of me I can't find a good reason.

superchunkwii said:
Honeycomb is 3.0
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I was referring to your "later 3.x versions" comment. This thread was about why anyone wanted 3.0 specifically, not later versions.

crookshanks said:
I was referring to your "later 3.x versions" comment. This thread was about why anyone wanted 3.0 specifically, not later versions.
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Absolutely right, my post was to the validity of the entire discussion as its obvious 3.0 is just the initial tablet offering and as Android continues through 3.x it will be on phones as well.
Basically, I find the entire constant discussion here, BGR, other sites about Honeycomb being a Tablet OS and why is Google diverging Android to just be stupid. To me the version "3.0" should have been enough to satisfy everyone that eventually features you see in Honeycomb will be on phones. Like Google's going to lock themselves in 2.x for the rest of Android phone's life.

Honestly I don't understand it. Other than a very small number of users, myself not included, do people really see a big difference in the use of their phones? I use mine for calling, texting, e-mail and occasional web browsing. Other than flash support, I haven't noticed any ground breaking improvements over DJ05 with DL30. I can't imagine Gingerbread, Honeycomb, Lucky Charms or Poptart making a huge difference in the day to day use of my phone either.
Or maybe I'm wrong and Honeycomb cures cancer.

Android Honeycomb for HD2?

I was just browsing the dutch tweakers.net site and saw the article below.
Its telling about a CWM 3 ROM Honeycomb for the Desire HD phone.
For now they still have some hardware problems due to the lack of good drivers.
Now the HD2 community have way better devs with much more knownledge. So I was wondering if someone was already aware of or already busy with this. I and I think so much others would love to see HoneyComby running on our HD2.
http://t3hh4xx0r.com/?p=1353
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Would be nice, really, why not.. but did you see how f***ed up the screen layout looks?

Ya we need that!!!!

we have to wait...

We do have much better devs and even a build with honeycomb themes and skins, but I still want one build that I don't have any complaints about. There's always one thing, ya know?

MAy I ask a simple question...why? Honeycomb is going to be tablet based. Watching the video, he even says practically nothing works. The touchscreen is barely functional, the buttons don't work...honeycomb is going to be pointless for a phone..

We have WP7 and Ubuntu, so why it is pointless and why they shouldn't be able to do it HD2 is always good for another OS

I would love Honeycomb on my HD2!

Android 2.4
I heard rumors about new smartphones (like the Xperia Arc) will have Android 2.4 which is based on Honeycomb for tablets.

Awassenaar said:
I would love Honeycomb on my HD2!
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A barely functioning OS that you can't do anything on? Why? Just for the look? Try the Honeycomb theme for CM7.

"We have a dream"....Honeycomb on HD2....

so....
HTC EVO 4G, Nexus One, Desire HD and Incredible joined the Honeycomb world....
it seems that, in this joyous family, missing only our HD2 ....
is possible or not ?
....that's the question

lorezz said:
is possible or not ?
....that's the question
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Yes.
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Honey Monster
What is Honeycomb, I've heard (read) a few posts refering to this, but the only Literature I can find refers to Android 3.0 which is supposedly Tablet only. Can someone show me the way to enlightenment so I too may share the dream. I would love to add more OS to the seemingly endless capabilities of my HD2.

It is meant for tablet only. However some have modified the roms to run on Phones.
However, apparently the current phone Honeycomb ROMS are flakey to say the least.
I am so used to a stable working gingerbread I'd be hesitant to jump ship until its been through a few iterations on the HD2
GG

Hansel & Gretel
Is Google trying to fatten us up by feeding us all these sweets before throwing us into the oven?
What is Gingerbread, Android 2.x??

GodsGift said:
It is meant for tablet only. However some have modified the roms to run on Phones.
However, apparently the current phone Honeycomb ROMS are flakey to say the least.
I am so used to a stable working gingerbread I'd be hesitant to jump ship until its been through a few iterations on the HD2
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Well my interest would simply be for trying it out for fun and curiosity more then as a daily OS.
Its primerily for tablets but would be nice to try on our HD2 screens, bit like the ubuntu UI.

[Q] Will Icecream Sandwich run on A500?

I know we are all waiting for 3.1 but I was wondering if Icecream sandwich will also run on the current honeycomb tablet when it comes out. I have been searching quite a bit on the internet and cant really find an answer to this question. But I bet some people here will know the answer

"Know" the answer, no. Nobody except Google "knows" the answer to that question. HOWEVER, ICS is the unification of tablet and phone versions of Android, designed to run on both platforms, so it's extremely likely it WILL run perfectly fine on the A500.
Assuming Acer release it for us, which they'd better.

I DONT THINK SO,
so if u want that, just pray so bootloader being unlocked ... so dev can make ICS for iconia

interqd said:
I DONT THINK SO,
so if u want that, just pray so bootloader being unlocked ... so dev can make ICS for iconia
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Why do you say this?
FloatingFatMan is most likely correct with his assessment.

Well, the real question (until unlocked bootloader) isn't so much "can it run" as "will Acer push it out to the A500". The A500 appears to be, at its core, very similar to what we could call a reference Honeycomb design, so unless Google goes out of their way to make things difficult, ICS should be an easy upgrade from HC. It'll come down most likely to device drivers - A500 using a different audio chip, and not certain of whether the mSD card slot is controlled directly from the Tegra2 or another controller chip (if the latter, another driver.)
I'll admit I'll feel a bit better about Acer's commitment to the Android environment if the A501 gets released quickly, and of course even more better when they push 3.1 out, and ecstatic if they'll just unlock the bootloader and get rid of the worry factor entirely.

blazingwolf said:
Why do you say this?
FloatingFatMan is most likely correct with his assessment.
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its from my past with android device .. my htc desire,
till now official gingerbread not released for it, only the leaks and ports

1 gb ram, dual core 1ghz CPU wat else do u need to run Ice cream sandwitch.
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interqd said:
its from my past with android device .. my htc desire,
till now official gingerbread not released for it, only the leaks and ports
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so based just of my retired htc evo then it will def be coming my evo had 2.1 ota 2.2 and now an offical ota for 2.3

I'm confused. I have a rooted a500 running Honeycomb 3.2 and I don't think i have a locked bootloader. The rooting process was super simple and i have no problem doing nandroid backups or installing new ROMs.
Am I missing something? Did later/earlier models come with a locked bootloader?

Probably, yes, it's just a matter of time. This is possible in two cases:
1. Google - as they promised - will publish full ICS source code, so we could build it.
2. Google will provide source code to some similar Tegra2 tablet vendor, and we'll rip their binaries and put them on our A500s.
The possibility of at least one of the case happening is quite high.
Bootloader is irrelevant. Even though it's encrypted and has some checks (defeated by itsmagic), it's not locked down to the extent we can't run custom kernels. And the only point of bootloader is to load a proper (i.e. from the correct partition) chunk of code in the memory and run it.
That is, unless Acer will release newer tablet revision with updated firmware (which disallows EUU/nvflash-based downgrades) and locked bootloader. But that'll be different hardware. I know my UID (thus, SBK) and no software upgrades could possible change this, so my tablet is safe.

Im sure our device will support ICS
If not officially from Acer...it will be from our great developer here

trevoryour said:
I'm confused. I have a rooted a500 running Honeycomb 3.2 and I don't think i have a locked bootloader.
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Technically, it's "locked", but the protection was relatively lax and were defeated by sc2k's itsmagic.
OTA 3.2 upgrade introduced new bootloader, which has stronger protection, but, luckily, we can downgrade back using EUU service software (which is, technically, just an SBK calculator and nvflash).

Google said they were about to publish the source code, "soon"... Let's wait

Okay, so we've already seen Ice Cream Sandwich running on the Nexus S, but that was decidedly... unofficial. We've just heard straight from Google's Gabe Cohen that the Nexus S will definitely be getting ICS. In fact, both he and Matias Duarte think most Gingerbread devices will see an upgrade, saying: "Currently in the process for releasing Ice Cream Sandwich for Nexus S. Theoretically should work for any 2.3 device." It's hardly a surprise and there's no specific word on timing just yet, but hopefully it won't take long to move that vanilla Android device up to something with a breaded exterior.
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Source : Engaget
So, Theoretically HC could be upgrated in ICS
Wait and see

May be this os is made natively for phone... besides who needs a full new os, a few feature from it will do me good like the swipe to close apps in background, i really like it

jodiac said:
May be this os is made natively for phone... besides who needs a full new os, a few feature from it will do me good like the swipe to close apps in background, i really like it
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ICS is for both phones and tablets, but looking at its specs one gets the feeling that it just brings HC to the phones much more than improving the HC itself. I just wonder how the phones that are not intended for ICS would handle the UI. Sacrificing screen area for navigation while you have a perfectly good hardware buttons seems stupid.
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More than likely, Yes
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/20/asus-says-eee-pad-transformer-tablet-will-get-ics-upgrade-som/
as others have said if ACER does not the dev community will. I have a feeling they are already working on it at acer, my guess is that since google kept 3.0 so walled off they have clear upgrade paths for 3.0 to 4.0 set for all manufactures. 3.0 is the Redheaded stepchild of android versions it exists only because it was required so that we didint have tons of android 2.3 tablets, 4.0 is what 3.0 should of been

tkolev said:
ICS is for both phones and tablets, but looking at its specs one gets the feeling that it just brings HC to the phones much more than improving the HC itself. I just wonder how the phones that are not intended for ICS would handle the UI. Sacrificing screen area for navigation while you have a perfectly good hardware buttons seems stupid.
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much like for Honeycomb now, if you dont like the buttons, with root you can use Honeybar to hide it.

qwertylesh said:
much like for Honeycomb now, if you dont like the buttons, with root you can use Honeybar to hide it.
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I know you can hide it, the question is if the OEMs will go that way with the older phones which will receive the update or not.
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tkolev said:
I know you can hide it, the question is if the OEMs will go that way with the older phones which will receive the update or not.
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I am pretty sure the OEMs will be hiding the soft buttons and map them to the hardware buttons instead. It remains to be seen how they implement the context-sensitive soft-button, there's plenty of ways of implementing that and undoubtedly different OEMs will go different ways.

TouchWiz for Android 4/ICS = EPIC FAIL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ISAI6qbQm6U
Obviously this is a beta version of the upcoming samsung official ICS release for S2, it looks like a total catastrophe with TouchWiz..it looks NOTHING like beautiful Nexus Interface.
If it will look anything remotly similiar on the GNOTE it would be catastrophic..

Yeah agree. If the final looks like this i'm gonna flash vanilla ICS.. Well, i'll probably flash that either way.
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yes this is total dissapointment, all people expect a total new UI, and what we get is something that looks identlical to the interface we have right now... it does not look like ICS at all... looks more like gingerbread... what are Samsung thinking drop the TouchWiz crap, TouchWiz has played out it's roll... it feels like windows 7 but with the xp GUI...
We should send a protest list or something to samsung cause this looks like a total nightmare...all people expect the brilliance of the Nexus GUI.. but this looks even worse then I could imagine.

Long live cm9!!
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I wouldn't mind vanilla ICS, but there'd better be a way to turn off the on-screen soft keys on phones that have hardware ones. Also, I can't stand having to reach all the way to the top of the phone for anything but notifications. The menu button at the bottom better continue to work the same.

The vanilla runs well on the fassy. Same stuff new version.
Ics 4.0.1 by jt1134

maxh said:
I wouldn't mind vanilla ICS, but there'd better be a way to turn off the on-screen soft keys on phones that have hardware ones. Also, I can't stand having to reach all the way to the top of the phone for anything but notifications. The menu button at the bottom better continue to work the same.
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If you use adw ex u can put notificationbar on gestures, so u can drag it down from anywhere on the screen
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I hate touchiz. I'm an aosp lover
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I think the phone will look odd with ICS anyway. You will have two rows of redundant keys, even though one may be not working.

randypurcz said:
I think the phone will look odd with ICS anyway. You will have two rows of redundant keys, even though one may be not working.
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lol.....You can disable software keys in ICS

LordManhattan said:
Yeah agree. If the final looks like this i'm gonna flash vanilla ICS.. Well, i'll probably flash that either way.
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To some one who have not used android before, can you explain to me what you mean with Vanilla ICS ????
You mean it will be possible to root with the standard ICS interface ?
Will the performance be as good as the official or will be lagging and buggs etc ?
Anyway, why it look so similar to todays gingerbread is maybe cause samsung are doing an half-hearted upgrade..
they have promised us ICS.. but they only seem to put small amount of energy to make a big update...
the interface looks identical etc.. Why I wanted ICS was cause it is basically a totally new OS...compared to gingerbread.

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To some one who have not used android before, can you explain to me what you mean with Vanilla ICS ????
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Stock Android. The way Google had intended it to look, feel, and perform.
This is unbelievably disappointing. I'm still glad I have my S2, because of the ASOP rom currently under development. I'll most definitely switch between phones whenever I want and just store any content that matters on an SD card, so my phone is virtually hot-swappable between devices.

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Stock Android. The way Google had intended it to look, feel, and perform.
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Yes I understand that, but there will be no official version cause the stock version most be modified to be able to work with GNOTE ???
I just wonder if it is possible to port the ICS to GNOTE without any glitches and performance loss... how does past vanilla versions works for other phones ?

blackstar84 said:
Yes I understand that, but there will be no official version cause the stock version most be modified to be able to work with GNOTE ???
I just wonder if it is possible to port the ICS to GNOTE without any glitches and performance loss... how does past vanilla versions works for other phones ?
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It depends on developer support. If the devs for CM9 can port it to the Note, than only then can we expect a (hopefully) fully functional ICS rom on the Note.
As it stands, Google only releases official vanilla roms to their Nexus line of phones, and they release the source for other manufacturers/devs to port to other phones.
I hope that answers your question mate, the way it was worded was a bit difficult to fully understand.

blackstar84 said:
Yes I understand that, but there will be no official version cause the stock version most be modified to be able to work with GNOTE ???
I just wonder if it is possible to port the ICS to GNOTE without any glitches and performance loss... how does past vanilla versions works for other phones ?
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Well official as in with 'nothing' on it, no carrier or vendor tweaks/applications added and in this case, things like Touchwiz.
Also ICS was launched with Galaxy Nexus not Galaxy Note, but regardless I would presume that Samsung or another developer on XDA or any other forum will create a port to the Galaxy Note.
Vanilla just means that it doesn't have the other unnecessary stuff loaded e.g. Touchwiz. Vanilla is always compiled directly from AOSP source.

Why is everyone so angry about samsung including touchwiz into the ICS rom (I assume that's what this discussion is about?). Isn't the best thing about android the incredible ease of installing another launcher? Shouldn't the stock launcher just be a .apk away?

PickleHead said:
Why is everyone so angry about samsung including touchwiz into the ICS rom (I assume that's what this discussion is about?). Isn't the best thing about android the incredible ease of installing another launcher? Shouldn't the stock launcher just be a .apk away?
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Well it's true what you said, but Samsung will skin almost everything.
The phone, browser, music player....all of them will be skinned with TW & I guess people in this thread (me include) prefer the stock ICS look and feel.

atm i looks not really nice, but! it is an internal beta, maybe even a alpha version, nobody knows if samsungs is just trying and looking if touchwiz is working under ics, i'm sure that they will make some more cosmetics for ics.

Dunno but no on saw the video? Didn't you something wrong or better few things that where not as expected on it? First the phone had a yellow triangle meaning Samsung had a problem flashing a non stock Rom on the phone. Second on the *#1234# if you not 100% eye sight old man here the csc is unknown.......... . Third the keys back and menu keys aren't functionally at all, only if they had the drivers for them to implant on csc so they could work. Fourth the browser not sure was on xda forums when he started? Or did I see wrong or now I know they where looking xda forum for a working csc file to make the buttons work.
And about touchwiz give me ics on note even with a touch I don't care, so someday the devs can make a custom Rom, on our needs. But they need to have something to play with and take some codes/ideas from the custom files.
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Wow.. that is disappointing... i thought i could just flash back the stock rom when ICS is out. Now looks like I'm going to stay rooted for good.