Can anyone confirm that changing the date actually forces a check? Though the idea has been tossed around here like truth for a couple of days, I have seen only one post where someone said it works. Everyone else has said something along the lines of: I came home and it was up.
Everyone knows that if you set the clock forward, it says that the system was checked under system updates. Sorry, but that's not proof that it checks. That's proof that update check clock changes. I am asking if anyone has proof that changing the clock date actually forces a check. Proof would be either:
1) Someone has had the update actually happen immediately after changing the clock; or
2) There's evidence of internet activity consistent with checking for an update.
Can someone who's gotten the update explain what it looks like? When you turned it on, did it come up right after the animation? If you did the date trick, did you click "set" and it popped up immediately on screen? I am starting to think that the date change thing is only slowing this down; it just resets the clock for the update, it doesn't actually force the check.
Anyone have any other ideas? I am supposed to be studying for a final which is certainly why I'm obsessing about this, but I really can't help it. Anything to take my mind off studying for that horrible class. This final is going to kill me. (Then again, it's the last one I will EVER take!!!)
No it hasn't worked for me.
Coldheat1906 said:
No it hasn't worked for me.
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Thanks. It hasn't worked for many people. I'm curious if anyone knows if it CAN work, or if it's just a myth.
the update will appear as a notification on the lower right hand of your Xoom kin a like a notification like you are downloading something from the market.
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On my Wifi only Xoom it forces a check.
For example;
1. My Xoom says it last checked for an update at 1:10pm and it is now 6:10pm on the same day
2. I change the date to one day in advance
3. I go to sytem updates and it says it last checked at 6:10pm
So it did force a check.
Whether or not an update is available for your Xoom is a different story.
The date change will force a check but not force the actual update.
laredo7mm said:
On my Wifi only Xoom it forces a check.
For example;
1. My Xoom says it last checked for an update at 1:10pm and it is now 6:10pm on the same day
2. I change the date to one day in advance
3. I go to sytem updates and it says it last checked at 6:10pm
So it did force a check.
Whether or not an update is available for your Xoom is a different story.
The date change will force a check but not force the actual update.
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Sorry, but that's not proof that it checks. That's proof that update check clock changes. I thought that was clear in my first post. I am asking if anyone has proof that changing the clock date actually forces a check. Proof would be either:
1) Someone has had the update actually happen immediately after changing the clock; or
2) There's evidence of internet activity consistent with checking for an update.
you can force an update check using these steps:
1. hold power+volup, the xoom will reboot
2. after reboot go to system settings and check for updates
doin this hasn't worked for me at all. Tried several times even with reboots. Yes the time changes but doesn't mean it really did anything. Frustrated the Wifi users are rolling today and here I sit with 3G and nothing still.
ruinah said:
doin this hasn't worked for me at all. Tried several times even with reboots. Yes the time changes but doesn't mean it really did anything. Frustrated the Wifi users are rolling today and here I sit with 3G and nothing still.
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Yesterday I re-imaged my xoom to stock but realized too late that I was using 3.0 instead of 3.0.1. I went in and changed the date and set it back to automatic. My Xoom immediately started downloading the 3.0.1 patch. That is about as much proof as I can provide.
Yes it does force a check
This is what shows up in the logcat after changing the date:
D/SystemClock( 8596): Setting time of day to sec=1307904965
D/SystemClock( 133): Setting time of day to sec=1305226357
D/Beautiful Widgets( 846): Received Weather refresh Intent
E/Beautiful Widgets( 846): Acquiring new WakeLock on an existing notheld instance
D/Beautiful Widgets( 846): Service for Weather started
V/Beautiful Widgets( 846): Service AccuWeather onStart()
D/Beautiful Widgets( 846): Service AccuWeather Thread started
I/Beautiful Widgets( 846): Provider is network
I/Beautiful Widgets( 846): Requesting location update
I/EventLogService( 247): Aggregate from 1307904746624 (log), 1307904746506 (data)
E/TelephonyManager( 247): Hidden constructor called more than once per process!
E/TelephonyManager( 247): Original: com.google.android.location, new: com.google.android.gsf
I/CheckinService( 247): Preparing to send checkin request
I/EventLogService( 247): Accumulating logs since 1307904965403
D/dalvikvm( 846): GC_CONCURRENT freed 867K, 13% free 8280K/9479K, paused 3ms+4ms
I/CheckinTask( 247): Sending checkin request (1486 bytes)
D/dalvikvm( 846): GC_CONCURRENT freed 561K, 12% free 8406K/9479K, paused 3ms+3ms
V/AlarmClock( 8642): AlarmInitReceiver finished
D/dalvikvm( 133): GC_CONCURRENT freed 3891K, 29% free 21271K/29639K, paused 4ms+10ms
D/CalendarWidget( 8547): Scheduled next update at [1307941200000] 00:00:00 (+603 mins)
D/dalvikvm( 846): GC_CONCURRENT freed 963K, 14% free 8177K/9479K, paused 5ms+7ms
D/dalvikvm( 846): GC_CONCURRENT freed 494K, 12% free 8348K/9479K, paused 4ms+3ms
D/dalvikvm( 227): GC_FOR_ALLOC freed 1629K, 3% free 124319K/127879K, paused 77ms
D/dalvikvm( 227): GC_CONCURRENT freed 519K, 3% free 124143K/127879K, paused 2ms+13ms
I/CheckinTask( 247): Checkin success: https://android.clients.google.com/checkin (1 requests sent)
I/CheckinService( 247): From server: Intent { act=android.server.checkin.FOTA_CANCEL }
As you can see I still haven't gotten 3.1
El Daddy said:
This is what shows up in the logcat after changing the date:
D/SystemClock( 8596): Setting time of day to sec=1307904965
D/SystemClock( 133): Setting time of day to sec=1305226357
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I/CheckinTask( 247): Checkin success: https://android.clients.google.com/checkin (1 requests sent)
I/CheckinService( 247): From server: Intent { act=android.server.checkin.FOTA_CANCEL }
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Sorry, but that's not proof that it checks. That's proof that update check clock changes. I thought that was clear in my first post...
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Well, there you have your proof. Now, go study and quit being such a d-bag. I guess you were not clear since you had to go back and edit your post after I submitted my initial response.
laredo7mm said:
Well, there you have your proof. Now, go study and quit being such a d-bag. I guess you were not clear since you had to go back and edit your post after I submitted my initial response.
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Excuse me? Yeah, I edited the post to make my question more clear.
Your post was not useful; in fact it showed that you hadn't really thought through the process before you posted. I wasn't rude to you, I just pointed out the error in your logic, which made me realize that I should go back and clarify my question. Who's the "d-bag" here?
Huh? I edited my post to bold the checkin. I skimmed through this thread and thought I would confirm to people it did indeed check in. I'm not trying to show anyone up. Just trying to be helpful.
Wtf?
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El Daddy said:
Huh? I edited my post to bold the checkin. I skimmed through this thread and thought I would confirm to people it did indeed check in. I'm not trying to show anyone up. Just trying to be helpful.
Wtf?
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Thanks dude, you answered the question. He was actually talking to me; I couldn't tell you what his problem is, though. In any case, you've answered the question, so I'm going to go back to clock-changing-update-checking right now! Thank you!
well I'm just glad its been proven. And I don't agree with the ops original statement that it would have caused an issue if it didn't actually force a check. Only because I don't feel that changing the date would actually affect anything to do with checking for an update, either way it is checking the same server w/the same access codes.
For example, if someone would have 3.0 and set the date back to the xooms launch day and ran a check for an update would still be updated to 3.01 or if lucky 3.1.
Like the date on your xoom is only for creating time stamps on the xoom.
I explained how this works in my post below:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1076295
RadDudeTommy said:
well I'm just glad its been proven. And I don't agree with the ops original statement that it would have caused an issue if it didn't actually force a check. Only because I don't feel that changing the date would actually affect anything to do with checking for an update, either way it is checking the same server w/the same access codes.
For example, if someone would have 3.0 and set the date back to the xooms launch day and ran a check for an update would still be updated to 3.01 or if lucky 3.1.
Like the date on your xoom is only for creating time stamps on the xoom.
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It's moot at this point, but it was when you wrote your post also. What I was suggesting was that, if it wasn't actually checking by changing the date, then we could be stopping the actual update check from happening by trying, therefore setting us back by 12 hours (about the frequency of the automatic checks) every time we tried to "cheat." Of course, now that it's shown that the check does actually query the server (and that makes very little difference to when you actually get your update) my original guess (not statement) is obviously incorrect.
laredo7mm said:
Well, there you have your proof. Now, go study and quit being such a d-bag. I guess you were not clear since you had to go back and edit your post after I submitted my initial response.
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+1
Really getting tired of this guy talking down to everyone. Don't know when I have ever see someone as condescending.
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RadDudeTommy said:
well I'm just glad its been proven. And I don't agree with the ops original statement that it would have caused an issue if it didn't actually force a check. Only because I don't feel that changing the date would actually affect anything to do with checking for an update, either way it is checking the same server w/the same access codes.
For example, if someone would have 3.0 and set the date back to the xooms launch day and ran a check for an update would still be updated to 3.01 or if lucky 3.1.
Like the date on your xoom is only for creating time stamps on the xoom.
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Suppose our entire solar system was contained in a drop of water abiut to get wiped by a windshield wiper?
kyoteqwik said:
+1
Really getting tired of this guy talking down to everyone. Don't know when I have ever see someone as condescending.
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That's friendly.
Related
Hey Everyone,
Wanted to tell all of you about a neat app we're developing, called Flexilis.
It's a mobile security suite for Windows Mobile devices, that keeps your device and data safe from loss, theft, hackers, viruses, malware, spam, and more.
We've currently opened signups for our private beta testing, if you're interested in checking it out, just hit up http://beta.flexilis.com and sign up, and feel free to chat about the product here
If anyone has questions or runs into trouble, just shoot us an email at [email protected] and we'll help you out!
-Chris
Community Director,
Flexilis Inc.
[email protected]
Also, if any of you request an invite and it hasnt gotten granted within a day or so, let me know and I'll take care of it.
If you weren't asking for so much personal information, you might actually get people to try your app...
we're actually working on revising that, the reason we ask for the phone number is because it's used to sms you your download link for the software later on in the process, we're in the process of moving that to later on in the process, as well as an explanation of why we ask for it.
Thanks for the feedback!
-Chris
NRGZ28 said:
If you weren't asking for so much personal information, you might actually get people to try your app...
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Hey man,
nice thing with this soft, that we give the phone number is not so a big problem i think. could you post a little bit infos about the program? Cause on your side there a not many informations.
But i ithink i'll give it a try...
I just have one little question, on you privacy page you write:
When you use the Flexilis Services, our servers automatically record certain information about your usage. These logs may include information such as the IP address, mobile device identification number, phone number, operating system, version information, wireless carrier, web requests, browser type, browser language, referring pages, landing pages, pages viewed, or other usage information.
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Why do record the pages we visit?
we're still working on a little bit of a tour/walkthrough area of the software on the front page, as we get closer to public beta, but for now there's nothing there yet. My first post in this thread gives a brief summary of it though. Feel free to shoot me an email at [email protected] with any questions!
-Chris
There's nothing in the software that tracks the pages you view or anything, what that refers to is on our end we track what pages users use on the flexilis website the most, much the same way other websites do, to track what pages and content on our site our most popular, etc.
JeckyllHavok said:
I just have one little question, on you privacy page you write:
Why do record the pages we visit?
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I'm still not sure what your program do, but it certainly doesn't behave the way I expect.
1) Why to require authorization so often?
2) Contrary to the stated phone number is not accepted for authorization. Only email.
3) I don't really know what you mean by "a few minutes", but currently Flexilis is authorizing my phone already for more than two hours. I see no progress bar and I don't understan what's going.
4) I can't stop authorization process.
5) Why the authorization process continues even when I close all connections? Did you invent new method of communication?
6) The program is hidden from task managers and process viewers. What for?
I didn't sniff the traffic but currently behavior of your program reminds more of malware rather than security software.
My conclusion: As I don't understand what your program is doing, I'm not going to test it anymore until additional guidance is provided.
Sorry, if I'm sounding harsh. It's just writing style (tough work, you know )
No worries
1] once it's authorized the first time, it shouldnt have to authorize again, what kind of phone are you authorizing it on? we're making some fixes to the authorization process to make it even simpler that should roll out in the next release.
2] if you're outside of the US, you might need to add your country code and such if that's the case, let me know, or send me an email to [email protected] so we can look into it.
3] per all authorization questions, it'll try til its authorized, again we're fixing this.
4] per the it being hidden from task managers, we've given this some discussion, for right now it's a security feature to try to prevent theives from disabling the software, though we might fix that in the future to have the app visible in there somehow.
As far as being more indepth on all of the features, we are working on a tour of sorts to explain it all before the beta goes public.
Thanks for the feedback!
-Chris
mrcaze said:
I'm still not sure what your program do, but it certainly doesn't behave the way I expect.
1) Why to require authorization so often?
2) Contrary to the stated phone number is not accepted for authorization. Only email.
3) I don't really know what you mean by "a few minutes", but currently Flexilis is authorizing my phone already for more than two hours. I see no progress bar and I don't understan what's going.
4) I can't stop authorization process.
5) Why the authorization process continues even when I close all connections? Did you invent new method of communication?
6) The program is hidden from task managers and process viewers. What for?
I didn't sniff the traffic but currently behavior of your program reminds more of malware rather than security software.
My conclusion: As I don't understand what your program is doing, I'm not going to test it anymore until additional guidance is provided.
Sorry, if I'm sounding harsh. It's just writing style (tough work, you know )
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Authorizing a device ... what a hassle. I finally gave up since I couldn't tell if it was doing anything. No more testing for or feedback from me.
fredcatsmommy: sorry it didnt work out for you. hopefully in the future when that's fixed (should be less than a week), we can lure you back, it does some amazing stuff, but we do run into bugs from time to time due to the vast number of windows mobile devices out there, and only having a small test bed of them to work with. Keep your eyes peeled, and we'll have that fixed soon!
fredcatsmommy said:
Authorizing a device ... what a hassle. I finally gave up since I couldn't tell if it was doing anything. No more testing for or feedback from me.
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I think you need to tell us what the app actually does?
I have read this and your site and still don't know what it does?
Will hold off on trying it till I know.
How long is the initializing and activating supposed to take?
seriously, the authorizing bugs should have been worked out before releasing a beta here. we cant even tell if its running, authorizing, stealing information from our devices, etc.. I surely hope this is a legit app youre pushing, if so, FIX IT, so we can at least see what it does.
thx
I installed and authorized with no issues what-so-ever... contrary to what everyone else is saying everything seems to work just fine. works great and doesn't seem to take much memory... not a single complaint here!
Advertising your application for beta purposes is usually not a problem. But, it seems you are here more for "recruiting" testers than anything else. Looks like you joined for this purpose only.
My suggestion to you, is to give a little more description on your develpoment. Seems there are too many questions going unanswered here.
jhw549 said:
I installed and authorized with no issues what-so-ever... contrary to what everyone else is saying everything seems to work just fine. works great and doesn't seem to take much memory... not a single complaint here!
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what device do you have? did you do anything special to get it working?
I have a sprint vogue and installed to main mem and the data conn. is constantly active.
Polargoat said:
what device do you have? did you do anything special to get it working?
I have a sprint vogue and installed to main mem and the data conn. is constantly active.
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I have an HTC Mobul/Titan using default Rom/Radio with WinMo 6.1
To install it I just did what I would any other and installed it onto internal memory...
Correction: The application works just fine if you don't have push e-mail (aren't connected to a remote exchange server), I have been having problems all day with my push e-mail from mail2web which I use to forward my work e-mail to my phone. I have therefore decided to remove it as I can't afford to have it interfere with work.
Since this morning, my Incredible has been asking me to apply an OTA update. I'm wary of doing this (in case it closes a useful exploit), but it's getting very insistent (asking every few minutes). So far I've been trying to kill processes that look like they might apply here:
- MCC_OTA: didn't work, but hasn't restarted
- HTC Checkin Service: didn't work, and did restart
I don't know if my paranoia is justified here, but I'd hate to lose the chance to properly control my phone.
I ignored it as well although I have yet to get a repeated request to install it.
Edit: Aaaand right as I said that it popped up.
im pretty sure you can get rid of the update by wiping cache in recovery.
now it might try to update and download again later.
mine too, i really hope that thi s doesn't mess my chance to root!
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And crap, it just asked again.
The "HTC Checkin Service" is running again, too.
This is getting very annoying. :-(
I gave in cause every damn time i picked up my phone it was there asking me..
My son was using my phone and forgot to tell him not to update my phone if the update prompt show up and now my phone is updated. I hope I will still be able to root my phone.
I logged the update dialog and discovered that it prompts every 30 minutes:
Code:
05-06 12:39:47.848 I/ActivityManager( 77): Starting activity: Intent { flg=0x30840004 cmp=com.google.android.systemupdater/.SystemUpdateInstallDialog (has extras) }
05-06 12:39:47.927 I/SystemUpdateInstallDialog( 77): OTA update available: /cache/OTA_IncredibleC_Verizon_WWE_1.22.605.2_1.22.605.0_release_sign.a33bc3bf.zip
05-06 12:39:47.927 I/SystemUpdateInstallDialog( 77): Next OTA prompt in 1799 sec
05-06 12:39:48.177 I/ActivityManager( 77): Displayed activity com.google.android.systemupdater/.SystemUpdateInstallDialog: 282 ms (total 282 ms)
05-06 12:40:58.017 I/SystemUpdateInstallDialog( 77): OTA update dismissed by user
05-06 12:40:58.017 I/SystemUpdateInstallDialog( 77): OTA update prompt dismissed
just download it but dont install.
I would really doubt that this will ruin rooting. its just a simple MR update.
It updates the recovery bootloader (i.e., there's a "recovery.img" in there), which concerns me quite a bit.
Anyone have any success with stopping the ota notifications? its driving me insane, but I don't wanna update and lock myself out of a future exploit. Looking at the update, it seems like they patched more than just the email...
As soon as I give in, someone will find an exploit... how are you guys handling it? Anyone end up giving in?
jonnybueno said:
Anyone have any success with stopping the ota notifications? its driving me insane, but I don't wanna update and lock myself out of a future exploit. Looking at the update, it seems like they patched more than just the email...
As soon as I give in, someone will find an exploit... how are you guys handling it? Anyone end up giving in?
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Dude I gave in...sux trying to show how cool your phone is when "System Update" keeps popping up. I felt the same way...I'm gonna wake up and someone will have root, pre-update...lol
tomxtobin said:
It updates the recovery bootloader (i.e., there's a "recovery.img" in there), which concerns me quite a bit.
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Me too, god i hope we get root soon so that i can root my phone and stop this stupid update request.
You guys might want to try TasKiller and set it up to auto kill. Just make sure you set your Ignore list which is easy. Just long press on the proccesses you dont want to kill and select ignore. This might help you out till root. When you turn Auto-Kill on it will kill all processes that are not in your ignore list when the screen turns off.
Another idea is if you haven't downloaded it yet, maybe install ad-blocker and block the address where it checks for updates.
These are just theories to help you guys.
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You guys might want to try TasKiller and set it up to auto kill. Just make sure you set your Ignore list which is easy. Just long press on the proccesses you dont want to kill and select ignore. This might help you out till root. When you turn Auto-Kill on it will kill all processes that are not in your ignore list when the screen turns off.
Another idea is if you haven't downloaded it yet, maybe install ad-blocker and block the address where it checks for updates.
These are just theories to help you guys.
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Good idea with task manager... imma try that. Adblock won't work though cause you need root to mod the hosts file.
dooohhh your right about adblock lol. So did Task Manager work for you to autokill the updater proccess?
I had the Desire rom installed on my nexus and I beleve there are 3 proccesses you want to kill. I thing they are Updater, RosieUpdater, and something like com.rosieupdater.service
Bah, I finally gave in.
You're all weak!
I have a phone on order...hopefully its going to get delivered within a week or so. Although I highly doubt it, in the back of my mind I'm wondering if any of the new phones being shipped will have any of these updates pre-installed.
We have many report for big data usage on wp7 also when i usage data connection my hd2 is too hot.. that make me sceptical..
for that reason i make this thread if is not the right place please mod move it to the right place
Microsoft say: the problem coming from 3rd party apps
Some other say the problem coming from many differnet update that use the wp7 system e.g.email update, contacts update/facebook and more
Some other report says the HTC hub is one of the reason... use so much data..
That you can do is: set all account manual about the sync
Just go to settings / account and tap every account and set it manual
Fot htc hub go to in to hub and settings , do the same..
HERE you can found what Microsoft say!
HERE the report of HTC hub!!!
PS. is simply blog but have some good news.. so take a look around for other news..
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Thanks for report i fix a little bit the body of the message..
I don't know if this is true or not. I am not experiencing heave data absorption without my knowledge. I can check my data consumption on the Voda website and I have a 1Gb allowance each month. I've been using WP7 as soon it went semi-public and I'm still having about 780Mb out of 1Gb left. (last update was yesterday) It is not like I am not using the internet, but I do check on mobile websites as it just renders faster and it doesn't need the zoom too often. Multitouch zoom on HD2 is a bit of a problemchild.
I do had my concerns about the social networking integration as I thought it would pull everybody's picture gallery to my phone and would upload every picture that I have to Skydrive, but that doesn't seems to be the thing.
Overall, though the WP7 was not meant for the HD2, it's going to be here for always on my phone. sob...
do you always
write your posts
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you always need to
post in wrong sections?
There is not useful information in your post. "We have many report for big data usage on wp7" Who are we? What is many? Disable Data connection if you don't like traffic. Connect on Wi-Fi, log all connections from your computer and take a look where the traffic goes and you'll know what app you need to delete.
Funnily enough I just happened to check my bill after reading this and I'm up to 750mb since the start of the month. Normally I'd average about 200mb at most.
I had the HTC hub installed which has been promptly removed so I'm gonna keep an eye on it now and see if that was the cause of the massive data jump.
Pretty old news and really annoying way of writing.
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I did notice a single big jump in data downloading on initial setup, this was because of facebook i think, not the facebook app, didnt happen until i had set that up so my feeling is its downloading pictures and other info, if you have many many friends on FB this would be exponential. anyhow, i didnt notice this until i got a out of starage space message, because my SD card hadnt worked first time round. So, if that is indeed the case and not just a huge coincidance connect up your phone to your PC and install/setup facebook, then see what happens
Tazzimus said:
Funnily enough I just happened to check my bill after reading this and I'm up to 750mb since the start of the month. Normally I'd average about 200mb at most.
I had the HTC hub installed which has been promptly removed so I'm gonna keep an eye on it now and see if that was the cause of the massive data jump.
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so its real problem... thanks for your report... the reason of this thread is to learn if is real problem and where coming from..
i'm scary about data i have only 120mb data plan
vartp said:
"We have many report for big data usage on wp7" Who are we? What is many? Disable Data connection if you don't like traffic. Connect on Wi-Fi, log all connections from your computer and take a look where the traffic goes and you'll know what app you need to delete.
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You are right! we = (I some other chefs + some beta tester of our roms and some blogers)
Nice way...!!! Do you know any program that can count the traffic? Do you have count any program?
Another thing to add to the 'Reasons to avoid WM7 like the plague and stay on Android' list.
Share Wi-Fi from your computer/laptop, connect mobile through it, install any traffic counter or firewall on your PC (or use proxy that provides logs/reports), look where your traffic is going. I don't care about traffic on my mobile at the moment, so I am not going to check it myself, but that's pretty easy task.
Checked Mine
Although this may be in the wrong section, and been covered several times. I just now decided to check my usage.
T-Mobile USA
Data: 690.2357 / Unlimited Megabytes
Been using WP7 since it was released, HTC HUB was installed at first, uninstalled it last week.
As far as writing like this.
Personal Preference.
You don't like it, Don't read it.
cdguider said:
Data: 690.2357 / Unlimited Megabytes
You don't like it, Don't read it.
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What is your average usage with wm6.5 or android?
+1 for your comment
maybe is in wrong section i did search before post it i did not found something + as you know when you typing the heading you can see if any other thread have the same heading
also i post it here because i want to find the problem and fix or tweak the problem together.. we do not have the kitchen but we have the registry editor maybe that can help us..
I got a text from tmobile today stating I was being capped on my data speed for the remainder of the billing cycle this month because of too much data usage ....
cabrone said:
I got a text from tmobile today stating I was being capped on my data speed for the remainder of the billing cycle this month because of too much data usage ....
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too bad my friend...
but finally this thread help from problems little late but better late than never
Simple solution. Get unlimited internet without fair usage nonsense As I usually go over 1 GB with my HD2 regardless of the OS that's what I did. You pay a little more but don't have to worry that a facebook photo may cost you 1 Euro
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Keep the posts on topic and watch the flaming please, thanks.
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Although this may be in the wrong section, and been covered several times. I just now decided to check my usage.
T-Mobile USA
Data: 690.2357 / Unlimited Megabytes
Been using WP7 since it was released, HTC HUB was installed at first, uninstalled it last week.
As far as writing like this.
Personal Preference.
You don't like it, Don't read it.
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Yep, i have the same issue. This is a problem.
TheOnly1 said:
Simple solution. Get unlimited internet without fair usage nonsense As I usually go over 1 GB with my HD2 regardless of the OS that's what I did. You pay a little more but don't have to worry that a facebook photo may cost you 1 Euro
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perhaps you can pay for their airplane ticket, provide food and lodging at your place so that they can experience this solution of yours.
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perhaps you can pay for their airplane ticket, provide food and lodging at your place so that they can experience this solution of yours.
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Well I noticed Mine was hogging data at 5 in the morning well I was still sleeping. I did a comparison and in 2 days My win 7 HD2 used 125 Mb data and my HD2 with win 6.5 used 60 Mb. I used them pretty much equally.
Old news to me.
Hello,
Apologies if this is in the wrong forum - please feel free to remove it.
I installed Kaspersky on my device yesterday at approximately 1100 GMT.
Since then there has been a huge amount of data activity originating from the application. Approximately 430 MB worth of background data has been used...
What exactly is this?
At the end of yesterday it was approximately 230MB however, at the end of today it has now nearly doubled to 430MB.
I am trying to scratch my head and wondering what is going on here?
Please find attached screenshots displaying data usage...
Process for installation -
1) I used Android Chrome to navigate to kaspersky.com/downloads/product...ile_for_android
2) Because I downloaded the APK direct from the site I was asked to allow downloads and installations from "Unknown Sources" - I didn't think this was a problem as it is Kaspersky after all....
3) Downloaded and entered my serial and that was it....
Any help or assistance would really be greatly appreciated.
With thanks,
AD
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Hello,
Apologies if this is in the wrong forum - please feel free to remove it.
I installed Kaspersky on my device yesterday at approximately 1100 GMT.
Since then there has been a huge amount of data activity originating from the application. Approximately 430 MB worth of background data has been used...
What exactly is this?
At the end of yesterday it was approximately 230MB however, at the end of today it has now nearly doubled to 430MB.
I am trying to scratch my head and wondering what is going on here?
Please find attached screenshots displaying data usage...
Process for installation -
1) I used Android Chrome to navigate to kaspersky.com/downloads/product...ile_for_android
2) Because I downloaded the APK direct from the site I was asked to allow downloads and installations from "Unknown Sources" - I didn't think this was a problem as it is Kaspersky after all....
3) Downloaded and entered my serial and that was it....
Any help or assistance would really be greatly appreciated.
With thanks,
AD
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you dont need an anti-virus for android, uninstall it. it was probably downloading/uploading data/libs to check for any malware/adware/viruses. besides, its wifi data usage, does it matter, or is your wifi limited?
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you dont need an anti-virus for android, uninstall it. it was probably downloading/uploading data/libs to check for any malware/adware/viruses. besides, its wifi data usage, does it matter, or is your wifi limited?
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But I always hear about malware on Android? Why would you say it isn't required? I'm quite interested to know....
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But I always hear about malware on Android? Why would you say it isn't required? I'm quite interested to know....
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Bumpity bump
Anybody here?
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But I always hear about malware on Android? Why would you say it isn't required? I'm quite interested to know....
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I've never heard of anyone getting malware on their Android device. Not to say it doesn't exist, but I'm pretty sure it's rare. You can easily monitor what apps are using what resources with the various Android menus. If something is suspicious, you can easily uninstall it. Worst-case scenario, you can just reflash your ROM and since you have a Nexus device, it's pretty simple to do. I would uninstall Kaspersky.
Amazon has released yesterday a New software update 5.2.1.0, for all the FireTV units:
http://www.aftvnews.com/fire-tv-software-update-5-2-1-0-is-now-rolling-out/
Some FireTV users, are already complaining that some APPs like "HBO GO/HBO NOW" (if you have Kodi/SPMC installed), "Mouse-Toggle 1.04", "Wukong Remote 1.9.0EN" and "Firestopper" now do not work at all...
Fo Realz, has mentioned on www.aftvnews.com, that after the update he can’t use "HBO NOW", unless he uninstall Kodi... Because he always get the following message:
“For security reasons the following apps must be uninstalled to use this app: Kodi”
Luckily, KODI and SPMC are still working flawlessly!!
Others users, have noticed that it looks like Amazon has changed the FireOS Font, that now it looks a bit like “Trebuchet”... And that the Remote-Control, the Wifi-Direct version, got a new update too…
It is not known yet whether this 5.2.1.0 update is Rootable or not!
Someone who has received this 5.2.1.0 update, has noticed something new or any improvements?
I just got the update yesterday as well. Netflix doesn't load properly anymore, gets stuck at 99%. Amazon videos don't play they load the video and I just see like a screenshot of the video and it doesn't play. I've lost all audio. Tried resetting, clearing cache, data, reinstalling Netflix etc.
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Amazon has released yesterday a New software update 5.2.1.0, for all the FireTV units:
http://www.aftvnews.com/fire-tv-software-update-5-2-1-0-is-now-rolling-out/
Some FireTV users, are already complaining that some APPs like "HBO GO/HBO NOW" (if you have Kodi/SPMC installed), "Mouse-Toggle 1.04", "Wukong Remote 1.9.0EN" and "Firestopper" now do not work at all...
Fo Realz, has mentioned on www.aftvnews.com, that after the update he can’t use "HBO NOW", unless he uninstall Kodi... Because he always get the following message:
“For security reasons the following apps must be uninstalled to use this app: Kodi”
Luckily, KODI and SPMC are still working flawlessly!!
Others users, have noticed that it looks like Amazon has changed the FireOS Font, that now it looks a bit like “Trebuchet”... And that the Remote-Control, the Wifi-Direct version, got a new update too…
It is not known yet whether this 5.2.1.0 update is Rootable or not!
Someone who has received this 5.2.1.0 update, has noticed something new or any improvements?
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Did you get a chance to grab the URL for this? I can start tearing apart the update to see what changed.
I'm very sceptical about the comment on my site claiming that HBO Now won't work with Kodi installed. I have not received the update myself yet, but a reader I trust has received the 5.2.1.0 update on his Fire TV 1 and says he can launch HBO Now with Kodi installed and with Kodi running in the background. He does not have an HBO Now subscription, so it's possible the message only appears when you try to play content, but he said he does not receive a message when launching the app and going to the login screen.
Wukong Mouse mode is dead on Firestick after latest OS update
Xfinity TV does not allow clicking after the update. Mouse mode is DOA. Maybe something to do with the prompt that comes up stating . "You don't have a controller" when you bring up the TVGo app. BTW I have not 'rooted' my FireStick.
Surprised you took it seriously in the first place. Obvious troll is obvious.
There's also a comment that ADBFire doesn't work. Not believing that either.
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I'm very sceptical about the comment on my site claiming that HBO Now won't work with Kodi installed. I have not received the update myself yet, but a reader I trust has received the 5.2.1.0 update on his Fire TV 1 and says he can launch HBO Now with Kodi installed and with Kodi running in the background. He does not have an HBO Now subscription, so it's possible the message only appears when you try to play content, but he said he does not receive a message when launching the app and going to the login screen.
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Surprised you took it seriously in the first place. Obvious troll is obvious.
There's also a comment that ADBFire doesn't work. Not believing that either.
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Well you never know. When the first couple comments started rolling in that 5.0.5.1 was removing FireStarter, my initial reaction was to assume it was a troll. I'm not going to go posting about something based on a comment or two, but I've learned my lesson to not dismiss anything entirely.
I'm curious... In theory, if I were to repack/recompile the Kodi APK into a different name and then installed on my Fire TV, would I survive an Amazon Kodi block if it were to happen? Is it really that simple to avoid a software block?
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Well you never know. When the first couple comments started rolling in that 5.0.5.1 was removing FireStarter, my initial reaction was to assume it was a troll. I'm not going to go posting about something based on a comment or two, but I've learned my lesson to not dismiss anything entirely.
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Elias, I understand your point of view and that is precipitated taken as certain some news only based on one or two comments... But, there are many users complaining about Adb-Fire problems (that not allows applications sideloading anymore) and also problems with the Mouse-Toggle1.04 and Wukong-Remote1.9.0EN APPs, that Amazon might have changed something in this new 5.2.1.0 update.
Maybe as you already said in aftvnews.com, the issues trying to run HBO-GO or HBO-Now, with Kodi installed or running, could be "a troll comment meant to stir up concern with a false statement", however I am very worried because I'm starting to see more complaints about Netflix and Amazon Video, that are not working well after installing this update:
1 - When I watch a movie with Netflix, it don't load completely and gets stuck on 99%.
With Amazon-Videos, movie loads, but the video does not play, and does not have audio"
2 - "I am having amazon issues, and Netflix Issues stuck 99% and no audio"
3 - “Netflix doesn’t load properly anymore, gets stuck at 99%.
Amazon videos don’t play they load the video and I just see like a screenshot of the video and it doesn’t play.
I’ve lost all audio”
Since I still have not received this new 5.2.1.0 update, I would appreciate if you could contact some users who have received it, to ask if they have experienced these strange behaviors with Netflix/Amazon-Videos, and to also confirm issues with adbfire and the sideload of apps.
Thank you Elias, for your Excellent comments, your Great AFTVnews site and always help with all our requests!!
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... But, there are many users complaining about Adb-Fire problems
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adbFire worked for me on 5.2.1.0
trek70000 said:
I'm curious... In theory, if I were to repack/recompile the Kodi APK into a different name and then installed on my Fire TV, would I survive an Amazon Kodi block if it were to happen? Is it really that simple to avoid a software block?
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Yes, currently Amazon is only blacklisting apps by package name. FireStarter and FiredTV are the only two apps on the list as of the 5.0.5.1 updated. I haven't received the 5.2.1.0 update yet, so I don't know if the list has changed, but several people have said Kodi installs/runs fine on 5.2.1.0
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Elias, I understand your point of view and that is precipitated taken as certain some news only based on one or two comments... But, there are many users complaining about Adb-Fire problems (that not allows applications sideloading anymore) and also problems with the Mouse-Toggle1.04 and Wukong-Remote1.9.0EN APPs, that Amazon might have changed something in this new 5.2.1.0 update.
Maybe as you already said in aftvnews.com, the issues trying to run HBO-GO or HBO-Now, with Kodi installed or running, could be "a troll comment meant to stir up concern with a false statement", however I am very worried because I'm starting to see more complaints about Netflix and Amazon Video, that are not working well after installing this update:
1 - When I watch a movie with Netflix, it don't load completely and gets stuck on 99%.
With Amazon-Videos, movie loads, but the video does not play, and does not have audio"
2 - "I am having amazon issues, and Netflix Issues stuck 99% and no audio"
3 - “Netflix doesn’t load properly anymore, gets stuck at 99%.
Amazon videos don’t play they load the video and I just see like a screenshot of the video and it doesn’t play.
I’ve lost all audio”
Since I still have not received this new 5.2.1.0 update, I would appreciate if you could contact some users who have received it, to ask if they have experienced these strange behaviors with Netflix/Amazon-Videos, and to also confirm issues with adbfire and the sideload of apps.
Thank you Elias, for your Excellent comments, your Great AFTVnews site and always help with all our requests!!
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It's very tedious and slow to check/verify update changes by contacting people who have already received the update. I just keep a list of all the issues I've heard about and check them myself once I receive the update. I'd rather be a few days late with postings than be inaccurate because information is being relayed to me.
AFTVnews.com said:
Yes, currently Amazon is only blacklisting apps by package name. FireStarter and FiredTV are the only two apps on the list as of the 5.0.5.1 updated. I haven't received the 5.2.1.0 update yet, so I don't know if the list has changed, but several people have said Kodi installs/runs fine on 5.2.1.0
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It's very tedious and slow to check/verify update changes by contacting people who have already received the update. I just keep a list of all the issues I've heard about and check them myself once I receive the update. I'd rather be a few days late with postings than be inaccurate because information is being relayed to me.
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I totally agree, it is very tedious and time consuming too, trying to contact users who already have received this 5.2.1.0.update.
I meant to get in contact with only known and trusted users, that have received the new update, as you already did with the user who confirmed that he had not received any safety message launching HBO-NOW, with Kodi installed or running.
However, maybe you're right, it is better to keep a list of all problems reported and once you receive the update, check to see if they are true or not...
I really hope that in a couple of days after receiving this update, you will have the time to write a full review in AFTVnews.com, about the negative things and also the new features of this 5.2.1.0 update.
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I'm from Germany and I received the 5.2.1.0 update on my Fire TV Generation 1. After this Update the aftvnews.com Update blocking methode 2 isn't working anymore. No Feedback from adb when I send the command. My 2nd device, a Fire Stick hasn't got the update to 5.2.1.0, and there the blocking Methode works I think, because adb shows a Feedback after sending the command.
Gesendet von meinem E6653 mit Tapatalk
harlekinade said:
@aftvnews: Just as a small critique (well - thats how it started out, anyways... ) - when people looked at you in the past to provide context, this is what they got as first responses in return.
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First off, thank you for posting this long and detailed criticism. Feedback, even negative feedback, is always welcome. I'll respond inline.
- When Firestarter first stopped working - it was pronounced by you "probably just an incompatibility issue".
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I did not say "probably." I said "one theory is." There's a distinct difference. At that point nobody knew why FireStarter wasn't working yet. I hadn't even received the software update yet (which I pointed out), but thought people would like to know sooner rather than later that the update was causing some unknown issue with FireStarter. I'd love to have weeks with an update to fully dissect it before posting anything about it, but by then it would be too late for many people to avoid the update if they suddenly want to.
- When Amazon started blacklisting apps and banning Firestarter you first repeated the same notion, then celebrated Amazon for providing "their own launcher" and therefore "making it easier for most people". And only afterwarts wrote about the issues it created, also for the company itself (reputation damage).
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The first thing I wrote about the 5.0.5.1 update was that sideloaded apps were added to the home screen and there was a quicker way to get to apps. That's what Amazon told us about the update so that's what I reported. Nobody had any idea apps were blacklisted at that point. I didn't first write about app banning and "then celebrate Amazon" like you say.
- When people asked you why to root Fire TVs, you "couldnt tell them, because everyone is different" - nfts support (circumventing the 4GB filesize limit), running a smb server, using VPN services (currently also possible without - but generally speaking), blocking software updates, using open APIs or a web interface to control the device -- are all usecases I'd argue most people should know about that are possible by now - even though Amazon put in extra effort to specifically take them out of base Android one by one. So by glancing over those - you actually follow Amazons product politics once more -
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I assume you're referring to when people ask about why they should root in the Q&A portion of my podcast. That question comes up nearly every week and if I listed all the reasons why someone would root in every episode it would not be interesting to the listeners. Heck, if I listed and talked about just the things you mention above, which is still just a small portion of the reasons to root, it would take up the entire time I allocate to Q&A. If you want to compile a full list of all the reasons to root and keep it up to date with links to guides, I'd love to point people to it every single time this question comes up. But nobody, including myself, has created such a list because it would be very time consuming to create and maintain.
- to put it out in the open, I have a problem with you having become the gatekeeper of most information in the Fire TV ecosystem.
Is saw german mainstream technology outlets copying your first statements on issues verbetum - even if they turned out to be beside the point (as in the blacklist issue case)
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Other websites not covering the Fire TV more or not doing their own research is out of my control.
and I ultimately hold you personally responsible for Amazon being able to --
Put blacklist routines into Android, uninstalling apps from their users devices - which they dont like because of anti competitive reasons - and allowing them to spin this feat to be just something thats "easier for the user".
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Holding me personally responsible for that is just plain stupid.
You maybe single handedly prevented the "Amazon uninstalls its users Apps" headline and made it a "Great new feature" story.
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You over estimate how much influence I have over other tech blogs. Every time Amazon does something negative to Fire TV owners, I contact numerous tech blogs to let them know. They simply don't care. It's not newsworthy to them. The issue isn't that the headlines were "Great new feature," it's that there were no headlines at all outside of my site.
I also hold you responsible for maintaining an atmosphere where every slight new feature, change, or tidbit Amazon "creates" gets received with unfiltered optimism first ("cheerleading"). Even down to overly detailed changelog analyses that are made to be seen as newsworthy - just because they are something new to report on. Something of general interest to your audience.
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I'm sorry everything I write about isn't newsworthy to you. I write about what I find interesting. It's not that I think everything Amazon does is worth cheering about, it's that I don't write about things I don't think are interesting. It might be a shock to you, but a headline like "Amazon did a thing that you shouldn't care about" is not at the top of my list of articles to write.
When you made them care more about ES File explorer (by pronouncing it "the easiest way") than if adb (which was first limited, then got puposely rewritten (?)) actually remains usable for things not predetermined by Amazon - you did this entire community a disservice.
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I didn't "make" anyone do anything. My sideloading guide lists 7 methods. The ES File Explorer method is by the the preferred method by most for obvious reasons. The fact is ADB is confusing to many people. A GUI, even if limited, is usually preferred by most. Hence the popularity of utilities like adbFire before ES File Explorer was even an option.
When you let tutorials regularly get pushed off of the front page of your blog by 12 times the "Amazon echo appreciation messages" - something important changed - combining the "how to tinker with the device" angle with the actual product messaging of the manufacturer - created a hybrid that I'd argue actually resembles a frankensteins monster that produced more harm than good.
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If you're saying I deliberately push guides off the front page, that's just stupid. I cannot control when something newsworthy happens. If something happens that results in a bunch of posts right after I release a guide, that's out of my control. I'm not going to hold back news just because I wrote a guide.
You managed to commercialize most aspects of device hacking, for - and mostly in the name of the company that produced the device - while Amazon itself promoted a purely anti right to modifications message at the same time. You tried to moderate this conflict - and somehow it never quite worked.
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If I didn't make money from the website through ads, it wouldn't exist. Not in the same capacity at least. The same way XDA wouldn't exists if it didn't have ads to make money off of device hacking. If you have an issue with me turning my hobby of tinkering into a means to support my family, then so be it.
When Amazon put the blacklist into the Fire TV firmwares - you werent the person that first discovered the database entries - they were reported (In here or on your comments section) and you picked it up - but now you are promoting yourself to be the person we should look at for a confirmation if Amazon has added new entries to their blacklist, or if they didn't.
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I never took credit for discovering the blacklist. I said "XDA forum member jkchr1s has discovered that FireStarter is being explicitly disabled by name" in my post and linked to his XDA post. jkchr1s and I were going back and forth via XDA private messages trying to locate the, at the time, theoretical blacklist. He explicitly asked me to not credit him with certain things, so I left some things vague.
I am not "promoting" myself to be "the person we should look at" for anything. It's simply a fact that I'm in a position to be the first one to know if the blacklist has been updated, since I know where to look and I have several Fire TVs and Fire TV Sticks dedicated for the sole purpose of capturing the update package to pass along to rbox.
Something about all of this just feels wrong. You were more a Steward of public opinion towards your cause (a world where a advertising message can stand eye to eye to a "how to intall Kodi" tutorial - ) and at least created an information silo - that kept out certain aspects of what is possible, or what happened in the past, and overemphasized others (I see ES File Explorer use as a real problem to people learning better ways of interacting with their devices, f.e.) at least I don't agree with.
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I agree that learning ADB is far superior to any GUI like ES File Explorer. The only guides where ES File Explorer comes up is when I write "no pc needed" guides for rooting and sideloading, since those two topics are the most popular types of guides. But for every "no pc needed" guide I have ever written, there was always first an equivalent guide posted that did everything with just ADB.
Now that the hype is mostly over, Firestarter is no more and we are gossiping whos next on Amazons in Android blacklist - where do we actually stand considering discoverability of methods or tutorials, do we understand the actions Amazon has taken, do we promote best practices - and do you - for example know - why not letting Amazon blacklist Kodi is actually important?
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Despite what you think, I don't control the future of FireStarter, the actions Amazon has or will take, or where the Fire TV community stands.
You take both sides on this issue as well - why? And when you, a few months from know - write your article about how it was actually necessary and beneficial to the average user - will you still be part of this community? Or do you just want to feature its work? And tell your readers to mostly use Alexa ("the service economy"), just because it is there by default.
Hey - and buy an "order from Amazon" WiFi button for 20USD while you are at it, because maybe one day you will be able to launch an App on the Fire TV with it. Great pitch.
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I don't "take both sides on an issue", but I do try to explain both sides of an issue. When Amazon does something the community thinks is negative, I don't blindly defend their actions. I do give my opinion on why I think they chose to do what they did, regardless of whether I agree or disagree with it. There is a distinct difference.
I've hid my reply to the comments that were deleted to help clean up this thread.
@harlekinade
So your old account was banned? And you decided to come right back in here with your obvious rants now directed at the main person who keeps this community going? Good job dude.
Biggest question (for us "pros") is actually: Is root (and downgrade) still possible on the fire tv 4ks that ship with that firmware?!
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I'm glad to see that the posting got some kind of of recognition, I'll take some time reading through the responses and give another rebuttal in the following days.
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If you do reply, I encourage you to do it in a new thread and link to the posts in this thread as reference because discussions of your opinion of me and my site do not belong in a thread about a Fire TV software update. This is potentially an important thread (depending on what is discovered in the update), so it should not be cluttered with off-topic conversations. I absolutely will no longer reply to you in this thread regarding myself or my website.
zroice said:
Biggest question (for us "pros") is actually: Is root (and downgrade) still possible on the fire tv 4ks that ship with that firmware?!
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I don't know if anyone whos gotten it yet has confirmed if the preloader hack is still active.
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@aftvnews:
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Dude, quit it. No one's reading your responses, you're acting like a sorry little git. If the mods bothered to read these, expect your second ban real soon. Quit starting fights and leave everyone alone.