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due upgrade in August - which Android handset?

Guys,
upgrade time is august 2010, so am starting initial research now!
have the G1 - am a convert to the android os now - am more and more on google (the dark side!?) and want to stay on the same os (or another google developed one).
Can anyone give me a heads up nwhat is due for a summer release (or earlier) that is a handset that is going to kick frikkin ass?!
wisdom highly appreciated!
al

put it this way dude, we just started getting rumors about the nexus one two months ago. theres no possible way we could know what kind of cool gadgets we'll be seeing by august. doing research now wouldnt do you any good whatsoever.

thanks for that.
just looking at the nexus one - looks like i need to 'mature' and face up to the future being (real) keyboardless - read that there was a survey where they compared iphone k/b with a regular pda one and there was no speed slowdown on the the 'real' one.
well, looks like it's early days and the handset releseases between now and summer might be numerous!
al

Yea it seems a lil early to start your research.

Well good to start waking up to the tech changes, looks like things have changed since G1 days.
Nexus does look slick, I'm wondering what could be even better thasn that.
cheers gang.

I'm due for my upgrade in October. I decided three months ago I'd do my research in October.

little_rock said:
there was no speed slowdown on the the 'real' one.
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Right... because a real keyboard will be *FASTER*, not slower.
A few points;
- testing typing speeds using test subjects who don't know the location of buttons (i.e. inexperience) will only give you invalid results.
- you ever notice with a dream, that even though you have both, that you STILL switch to the real keyboard occasionally? Probably every time you need to type more than about 10-20 characters. This is because fake keyboards are uncomfortable and inconvenient.
- fake keyboards are difficult to use since you MUST LOOK at it -- a real keyboard can be used by feel alone. Note: It is considered extremely bad practice to type while looking at the keyboard -- you're supposed to look at the screen/paper (in the old days) and watch the words as they come out, not at your fingers.
- ever try mixing letters and symbols using a fake keyboard? You need to constantly switch between multiple keyboard layouts.... the "letters" layout, and the "numbers"/"symbols" layout(s).
Note also that the GN1 is *just one* device. Take as an example the motorola sholes -- its pretty similar to the GN1, but has a real keyboard.

Hey guys,
resurrecting this post because it's not long now before I'm due an upgrade!
I've been tracking the nexus 1 - cant see anywhere it saying its coming to T Mob (who I really would like to stay with).
In your opinion which is the downright bestest android powered handset out there?
Saw my buddy's HTC Desire the other day it looked kickass!
Ideally I like the idea of getting os updates straight from google, ie without having to manouvre round waiting for htc to stich together Sense happy andoid updates.
what are your thougts guys?
best,
Al

for what its worth
i went to radio shack on saturday for the free upgrade(tried to get the 3g slide for free) and the tmobile rep(not a radio shack employee) said the HD3 would be out by christmas. HD2 only running android. He was speaking pretty assuredly about it.
I told him I'd believe it when I saw it. =P

Its all about the Dell Streak for me. I was eagerly awaiting, but skipped, the Nexus one knowing that it would be playing catchup in less than a year, and viola here we are, 1.2x GHz devices are already coming down the pipe and 2GHz chips (Nvidia Tegra anyone?) are already being shipped to manufacturers with some promising products by year's end.
I'll actually be buying the Streak outside of my upgrade (meaning the regular price) use it lovingly for a period of time and sell it for near what I paid for it and leveraging my upgrade for the 2.xGHz near-desktop-spec uber resolution devices coming out in 2011.

G Zero said:
Its all about the Dell Streak for me. I was eagerly awaiting, but skipped, the Nexus one knowing that it would be playing catchup in less than a year, and viola here we are, 1.2x GHz devices are already coming down the pipe and 2GHz chips (Nvidia Tegra anyone?) are already being shipped to manufacturers with some promising products by year's end.
I'll actually be buying the Streak outside of my upgrade (meaning the regular price) use it lovingly for a period of time and sell it for near what I paid for it and leveraging my upgrade for the 2.xGHz near-desktop-spec uber resolution devices coming out in 2011.
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1GHz vs 1.2GHz.... the difference is NEGLIGIBLE.
2GHz nvidia.... hmm let me think about that for a minute.... NO. nvidia is NOT open source friendly. They should be avoided like the plague. They are also TERRIBLE in terms of manufacturing quality (their chips fall apart due to heat/cool cycles), and they are TERRIBLE when it comes to EFFICIENCY (their newest GPUs won't just cook your breakfast, they'll burn down your house while they're at it!)

Just thought I'd update this thread - Am plumping for the Desire HD methinks.
if Droid X was going to be released in uk this century it would be a tough call... but it doesnt look like it is for now..
so DHD ere we come"

lbcoder said:
1GHz vs 1.2GHz.... the difference is NEGLIGIBLE.
2GHz nvidia.... hmm let me think about that for a minute.... NO. nvidia is NOT open source friendly. They should be avoided like the plague. They are also TERRIBLE in terms of manufacturing quality (their chips fall apart due to heat/cool cycles), and they are TERRIBLE when it comes to EFFICIENCY (their newest GPUs won't just cook your breakfast, they'll burn down your house while they're at it!)
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They're talking about Tegra, not Fermi... And the GPU problems was only the mobile 8600 chips for LAPTOPS, not desktops or Tegra. It was simply a bad run, all manufacturers go through this, including Nvidia's main competition, ATI (early 4XXX series anyone?)... I think you don't entirely understand what open source is, the only thing about Android which is open source is the base OS, everything else is closed (IE: all the hardware and their drivers)...
Tegra is very promising and absolutely smokes both the Snapdragon and Hummingbird in terms of power efficiency, and GPU speed. The problem right now with Tegra is the actual CPU is a fair bit slower than both the Snapdragon and Hummingbird, but considering that it will be able to offload CPU tasks to the far superior GPU VIA CUDA (Its currently not able to), it should hold its own very well once they refine the software.
In the end, we need much better battery life more than anything and that's what Tegra is bringing, I can't wait until they start sticking Tegra into smartphones.

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They're talking about Tegra, not Fermi...
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Comparing engineering QUALITY here.... fermi makes heat like Chernobyl when it should be running MUCH MUCH MUCH cooler and wasting less power. They have no excuse except poor engineering. If you aren't smart enough to make a desktop discrete GPU run within sensible bounds, how can you possibly make a handheld super-efficient handheld chip run any better? Answer is that nvidia lacks the combined intelligence to make ANYTHING RIGHT.
And the GPU problems was only the mobile 8600 chips for LAPTOPS, not desktops or Tegra.
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No, it was across ALL their products, but most NOTABLE in their laptops because the temperature swings are more dramatic where the cooling is much more limited.
It was simply a bad run, all manufacturers go through this, including Nvidia's main competition, ATI (early 4XXX series anyone?)...
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No, it wasn't a bad run, it was a BAD MANUFACTURING PROCESS.
** which they never actually fixed.
And there were no such issues with R700's. There were some problems with the R100's or possibly R200's though...
I think you don't entirely understand what open source is, the only thing about Android which is open source is the base OS, everything else is closed (IE: all the hardware and their drivers)...
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YOU are apparently the one who doesn't understand open source or the nature of Android. Just because SOME DEVICES ship with some BLOB components does NOT mean that ALL MUST. Take Android on OPENMOKO for example: FULLY OPEN.
And do you realize that the kernel driver for adreno has ALREADY BEEN RELEASED OPEN SOURCE by qualcomm? That is FAR FAR ahead of nvidia in terms of open source already.... More is probably on the way (after all, AMD has released the programming docs for R300 right through R800, which covers the IP in adreno 2xx), but sometimes this takes time.
Tegra is very promising and absolutely smokes both the Snapdragon and Hummingbird in terms of power efficiency, and GPU speed. The problem right now with Tegra is the actual CPU is a fair bit slower than both the Snapdragon and Hummingbird, but considering that it will be able to offload CPU tasks to the far superior GPU VIA CUDA (Its currently not able to), it should hold its own very well once they refine the software.
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1) Tegra is GEFORCE 6 -- no CUDA.
2) Tegra isn't a phone chip -- it is a TABLE/NETBOOK chip... so it might be a bit less power hungry than, for example, a powervr SGX, but against an adreno on similar manufacturing techniques? Not a chance!
3) Tegra may perform better than some OBSOLETE qualcomm chips, but compared with one of equal generation, i.e. MSM7230, and Tegra starts to look stupid.
4) The results you've no doubt seen place Tegra about 5-10% ahead of QSD8250 with ADRENO200, but the MSM7230 has an ADRENO205, which is 400% faster than an ADRENO200. Combine that with the fact that the 7230 is a 45 nm chip where the 8250 was a 65... you can only legitimately compare things of equal technological age. In other words, I DON'T CARE if a tegra is faster than an 8088! They're separated by 30 years of advancement!
The 7230 power consumption is FAR FAR FAR less than the 8250... so any comparison between... for example, tegra2 and MSM8250 is MEANINGLESS.
In the end, we need much better battery life more than anything and that's what Tegra is bringing, I can't wait until they start sticking Tegra into smartphones.
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Have you even bothered to look up the HTC VISION's expected battery life? HTC is claiming standby time of 430 **HOURS** -- near 18 days of standby! GN1 was 250 hours, or just over 10 days, so whether these numbers are accurate or not, I think we can figure on a 72% improvement in running time.
Oh, and did I mention that the VISION comes with a SMALLER BATTERY?
So... with equal batteries, the VISION would jump up to (430/1300)*1400=463 hours = 85.2% more efficient!
Hmm... tegra anyone?
Old news.

How Quick Will This Device be Superceded?

OK, so like nearly everyone else on this forum, I'll be first in line for an EVO. This is a beast of a phone, nothing like it (state-side anyway). How long do you think this will last?
What device will leave the EVO in the dust? How long will it's reign last?
Because of the required spec's, I would think that Windows Phone 7 devices will likely be the first to smoke it, specs-wise. However, it seems MS went all Apple-walled-garden with 7, so I don't see WP7 beating this anytime soon. Considering the state of the Windows Marketplace vs Android, I say no competition.
Apple's new iPhone will surely be amazing, software-wise. But again, the walled-garden approach will leave it behind.
Finally, AT&T and Verizon seem at least one year behind Sprint in 4g deployments.
Ideas?

khov07 said:
OK, so like nearly everyone else on this forum, I'll be first in line for an EVO. This is a beast of a phone, nothing like it (state-side anyway). How long do you think this will last?
What device will leave the EVO in the dust? How long will it's reign last?
Because of the required spec's, I would think that Windows Phone 7 devices will likely be the first to smoke it, specs-wise. However, it seems MS went all Apple-walled-garden with 7, so I don't see WP7 beating this anytime soon. Considering the state of the Windows Marketplace vs Android, I say no competition.
Apple's new iPhone will surely be amazing, software-wise. But again, the walled-garden approach will leave it behind.
Finally, AT&T and Verizon seem at least one year behind Sprint in 4g deployments.
Ideas?
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I say 6 months? At least before a significant development, like dualcore processors.

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I say 6 months? At least before a significant development, like dualcore processors.
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Dual core processors are extremely unlikely for at least a year or two. Not only would it make phones that much more expensive to produce, but today's battery technology simply hasn't caught up to the major advances in processor technology. Batteries are struggling to power a single core processor to this very day; said batteries couldn't dream of powering a dual-core phone for any reasonable length of time.
In any case, if the Evo is going to be beaten by another phone, it won't be for a while. The only things that could take it over are the new Snapdragon 1.5 Ghz and Intel Moorestown 1.5 Ghz processors coming later this year. There's absolutely no way a bigger screen size could be even considered, since the Evo is pushing it already. A 4.3 inch AMOLED screen would be quite nice, but not enough on its own to replace the Evo.

Mecha2142 said:
Dual core processors are extremely unlikely for at least a year or two. Not only would it make phones that much more expensive to produce, but today's battery technology simply hasn't caught up to the major advances in processor technology. Batteries are struggling to power a single core processor to this very day; said batteries couldn't dream of powering a dual-core phone for any reasonable length of time.
In any case, if the Evo is going to be beaten by another phone, it won't be for a while. The only things that could take it over are the new Snapdragon 1.5 Ghz and Intel Moorestown 1.5 Ghz processors coming later this year. There's absolutely no way a bigger screen size could be even considered, since the Evo is pushing it already. A 4.3 inch AMOLED screen would be quite nice, but not enough on its own to replace the Evo.
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its actually a 4.3 TFT screen.

80s_kid said:
its actually a 4.3 TFT screen.
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Which is why he wasn't talking about the EVO

mrono said:
Which is why he wasn't talking about the EVO
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yep. very true. my mistake lol, i havent slept today yet.

nope, not CPU's
I agree with the above comments, dual-core CPU's won't become prevalent in mobile devices until batteries improve significantly.
My guess is devices with discrete graphics boards, like the iPhone (has had for years now!), will trump EVO, though only for gaming purposes. I'll stick with a PSP for mobile gaming.
Besides, a 1Ghz+ processor should easily handle any video you can toss at it. My TP2 with a 526 Mhz processor + CorePlayer handles movies saved on my SD card just fine, full-screen.
Maybe truly integrated video calling? Not through a third-party app like Qik, or even Skype (though Skype on the EVO would be awesome), but an actual native function/app on the device. Instead of dialing a username, just dial a number, and if the device is video-capable, you get an option on the screen to answer with voice or video.

It will depend on far to many factors to quantify.
Doo you dig the big display? For those that do perhaps the only devices they will look for in the future will be 4 inch plus in size. Depending on how the evo and hd2 sell we may see many more our we may see less.
Those that want a physical keyboard may not even feel the evo is a contender and may wait for a galaxy s pro to fill their super phone.
The integrated graphics are inferior to the ipwn so those that want 3d gaming will feel the draw of that device or wait for the rumored psp phone.
Processor speed will be trumped probably by the iphone hd and if not then shortly after. The difference will be miniscule but it will get trumped.
storage? Android had lagged most other device for a long time with it's reliance on sd cards hopefully froyo will get more onboard memory like the iphone.
So it will depend on peoples needs as to when the evo gets trumped. For many the evo is far from the best device for them. For many it is totally drool worthy.

Hardware wise, this phone will be hard to beat in the immediate future. From what I understand is that Sprint allows users to upgrade after 1 year (if applicable) so that could be nice.
Only thing I am worried about is getting root or getting 2.2 in a timely fashion. Being a G1 user I haven't had to worry about it since rooting came pretty fast which has allowed me to install pretty much any ROM out there, not having to worry about when I am going to get 1.5 or 1.6 or whatever. I have read on how the Droid or Hero took a couple of months to get 2.1, they get it and then 2.2 is announced. Gingerbread is confirmed to be released sometime Q4 2010, I would hate to get 2.2 right when Gingerbread is announced. I will rage.
/rant
edit: I don't believe the A4 is faster than Snapdragon. I think the test results that are out there is due to the fact that Apple OS is a closed system, it also doesn't multitask. Because it can load pages faster, doesn't mean it is better technically. Until it can be tested on a neutral OS (which won't ever happen), it will never be a good benchmark to compare the two.

christmas some one will release a phone for the holiday rush. its gotta happen. my guess is at&t its probably there turn for the xmas phone of the year.

khov07 said:
I agree with the above comments, dual-core CPU's won't become prevalent in mobile devices until batteries improve significantly.
My guess is devices with discrete graphics boards, like the iPhone (has had for years now!), will trump EVO, though only for gaming purposes. I'll stick with a PSP for mobile gaming.
Besides, a 1Ghz+ processor should easily handle any video you can toss at it. My TP2 with a 526 Mhz processor + CorePlayer handles movies saved on my SD card just fine, full-screen.
Maybe truly integrated video calling? Not through a third-party app like Qik, or even Skype (though Skype on the EVO would be awesome), but an actual native function/app on the device. Instead of dialing a username, just dial a number, and if the device is video-capable, you get an option on the screen to answer with voice or video.
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the SnapDragon dual core processors are more efficient then their single core variants we use now since they use a smaller manufacturing process. find the source yourself, i'm not working that hard.

Hmmm...a source link for that info?
Doesn't matter though - most apps on PC's don't make very good use of multiple cores, and we've had those on desktops for many years now. Will mobile app developers make better use of them, once multi-core mobile devices become prevalent? Some might, others will ignore.
Think about it: what kind of cpu-intensive apps will we run on a mobile platform, that will benefit from multiple cores? No doubt mobile processors will continue to get faster, more cores, more cache, etc., but how much will we really do on a mobile device?
Question: why wouldn't mobile processors top-out the way desktop processors have? Folks can run the same basic apps on today's desktops (word processing, web browsing, email, etc.) as they can on desktops four years old.
Perhaps, as crazytalk states, the real developments in mobile processors will be focus more on efficiency than raw speed.
What say you?

Actually, I would say October, not Christmas. Christmas is usually too hectic for companies to release brand new flagship devices which is what would be needed to supercede the Evo. And I do see a dual core phone coming out around October. I think something is going to surprise everyone in October but that's expected. 6 months is sadly the shelf life for phones these days.

rumors of nexus S dual core

http://androidandme.com/2010/11/new...ped-new-dual-core-version-already-in-testing/
talks about tech crunches report on "serious hardware issues."
here's hoping!
Sent from my sexy nexy

Dual core?
Now we're talking.

Hooray! Another thread on the same subject!

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Hooray! Another thread on the same subject!
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Chill.
The other thread is locked now.
But on the subject....I could live with this phone.
Make sure its HSPA+ compatable though !

According to tmonews, it only supports up to 7.2/5.76 HSPA (not plus, sorry).
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/11/nexus-s-specs-leaked/

mingkee said:
According to tmonews, it only supports up to 7.2/5.76 HSPA (not plus, sorry).
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/11/nexus-s-specs-leaked/
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looks like you missed the main topic of this thread... there's a new Nexus S in the works with a newer cpu.. supposedly the dual core Orion from samsung. You are still talking about the old specs on the single core CPU. Maybe the change to Orion the radios will change also.

And maybe also the Nexus S will be able to transform into a transmitting device that can place cellular connections with other people that are scattered throughout the United States of America for the provider cost that is paid monthly and also be able to look up various information on the world wide web and display a H on the top of the taskbar which people will still assume is stock on all phones!!!!

I agree the specs of the original Nexus S made me really sad. The original Nexus set the standards for the year to come. Phones are still coming out with the same specs as the N1 even now! So I expect a Dual Core Processor with 32 gig internal running Tmo 4g 10mega pixel camera capable of 1080p 4'3 or bigger display ....have I left anything else out?....oh yeah Angry Birds comes standard

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I agree the specs of the original Nexus S made me really sad. The original Nexus set the standards for the year to come. Phones are still coming out with the same specs as the N1 even now! So I expect a Dual Core Processor with 32 gig internal running Tmo 4g 10mega pixel camera capable of 1080p 4'3 or bigger display ....have I left anything else out?....oh yeah Angry Birds comes standard
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as long as its not 10mp of ****... id rather have 5 of quality than 10 of ****...
1080p recording is just obnoxious...
4.3inch screen is just obnoxious... if there is one thing samsung got right it was the 4inch screen

Nexus S - First Samsung Orion Smartphone?
http://www.infosyncworld.com/reviews/cell-phones/nexus-s/11523.html
By Sindre Lia, Friday 12 November 2010
The Nexus S is destined to become the first Samsung Orion smartphone, as in the first smartphone to make Hummingbird look old.
The Nexus One was a failure at all but one account: It brought new Android features to smartphone influencers and developers early throughout 2010. Having a star in your fleet of this kind is crucial, and nobody knows it better than Google. The days when you got straight answers from Google executives are long gone - they play ball like OS makers play ball now. We all get confused and then surprised. It's PR at its best and it makes smartphone influencers pay even more attention to what you're really up to.
The Nexus S by Samsung and Google will likely be the most powerful smartphone you've ever seen, as it'll likely be powered by the new Samsung Orion application processor. Its specs pretty much speaks for itself, and we guess the Nexus S will instantly be regarded as the new Android smartphone to be had amongst smartphone influencers and developers looking to get an early taste of new Android features throughout 2011 - and a lot should go wrong if they don't like it. Check out what the processor brings to the table here:
Designed using Samsung's 45 nanometer low-power process technology, Orion features a pair of 1GHz ARM Cortex A9 cores, each comes with a 32KB data cache and a 32KB instruction cache. Samsung also included a 1MB L2 cache to optimize CPU processing performance and provide fast context switching in a multi-tasking environment. In addition, the memory interface and bus architecture of Orion supports data intensive multimedia applications including full HD video playback and high speed 3D action games.
Samsung's new application processor incorporates a rich portfolio of advanced multimedia features implemented by hardware accelerators, such as video encoder/decoder that supports 30fps video playback and recording at 1080p full HD resolution. Using an enhanced graphics processing unit (GPU), the new processors are capable of delivering 5 times the 3D graphics performance over the previous processor generation from Samsung.
The Orion processor will let customers use different types of storage, including NAND flash, moviNAND, SSD or HDD providing both SATA, and eMMC interfaces. Customers can also choose their appropriate memory options including low power LPDDR2 or DDR3, which is commonly used for high performance. In addition, a GPS receiver baseband processor is embedded in the processor to seamlessly support location based services.
A mobile device using the Orion processor can simultaneously support two on-device display screens, while driving a third external display such as a TV or monitor, via an on-chip HDMI 1.3a interface.
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Damn that sounds awesome. SetCPU better get working on a dual CPU version

SO NICE DESIGN !
plastic....but, lighter, never get "over-hit",safer from falls....

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Meh.
It isnt too exciting really. The things I want are a better physical design, improved build quality, vastly better battery life, at least iPhone 4 camera quality, proper multitouch, wireless inductive charging, 5ghz N wifi, HSPA+, higher resolution screen etc
Having a dual core processor doesnt do a thing for those issues (except the higher res screen, and even there a dual 1ghz processor is way overkill).

I thought i'd throw my 2cents is as a newb to the phone. I have probably wrestled with keeping it or selling it more than anyone these past two weeks of owning it. (in fact I actually advertised it with all accessories for sale, like stuff I bought thats on its way..but I've been having second thoughts).
Ok. For one, I was in awe of the Galaxy S, even though i hadn't seen one powered on in person. (Plus the girl I like mentioned it when we were talking about my "new phone" and asked if it was a Galaxy )
In all seriousness though, the discussions that got me leaning to the N1 noted:
- Form factor, form factor, form factor. Whether I like the specs or not, I have to like the bling (dare i say), or form factor in general. This phone just fits sweet in the pocket.
- In the other Nexus S thread, guys mentioned how they came back to their N1 after the Galaxy, and one chap mentioned how he's had his N1 for a year and it has no scratches without babying it. (I know from other HTC plastic phones that this can happen, and it does save you money in the long run by not wanting to buy "fresher" fones after 6 months, just based on the looks factor).
- Touchscreen. Yes it may not be as responsive as the Galaxy S, but I can live with it. And the more I think about it, I don't want to relearn how to flash and root a new device, and how to apply all the fixes. (i seriously spent a full week learning stuff for the N1 and thats a lot of investment).
And more applicably to the Nexus S. The first thing that struck me when I looked at it was it looked too bulgy. I gotta like the way my phone looks man and I gotta say after two weeks of owning this it is timeless and slim. AND i'm not just saying this, because I have a buyer already waiting ..who i've been procrastinating turning down. NEway, later for that ;P (I'll help him find a nice one on ebay tho)
one thing i realized without thinking about it too, is there is brand loyalty involved too. I never really realized this before until I saw you guys' sigs, and looked back. i have been an htc fan and never really noticed it. now I know why.
peace out, and have a good night.
PS: be careful when SMSing tonight! TGIFers! heh! Use your Winmo device like I do ;P and heed the SMS Random Selection fairy! ;P

Oh and whoever said the N1 is not good at gaming, might be right BUT i was highly impressed by quake3demo on the nexus one the other night, and really: im not much of a gamer (on my phones).

I play psx emu on there all the time. Its sweet!
Sent from my Nexus One using XDA App

ROM_Guest said:
I thought i'd throw my 2cents is as a newb to the phone. I have probably wrestled with keeping it or selling it more than anyone these past two weeks of owning it. (in fact I actually advertised it with all accessories for sale, like stuff I bought thats on its way..but I've been having second thoughts).
Ok. For one, I was in awe of the Galaxy S, even though i hadn't seen one powered on in person. (Plus the girl I like mentioned it when we were talking about my "new phone" and asked if it was a Galaxy )
In all seriousness though, the discussions that got me leaning to the N1 noted:
- Form factor, form factor, form factor. Whether I like the specs or not, I have to like the bling (dare i say), or form factor in general. This phone just fits sweet in the pocket.
- In the other Nexus S thread, guys mentioned how they came back to their N1 after the Galaxy, and one chap mentioned how he's had his N1 for a year and it has no scratches without babying it. (I know from other HTC plastic phones that this can happen, and it does save you money in the long run by not wanting to buy "fresher" fones after 6 months, just based on the looks factor).
- Touchscreen. Yes it may not be as responsive as the Galaxy S, but I can live with it. And the more I think about it, I don't want to relearn how to flash and root a new device, and how to apply all the fixes. (i seriously spent a full week learning stuff for the N1 and thats a lot of investment).
And more applicably to the Nexus S. The first thing that struck me when I looked at it was it looked too bulgy. I gotta like the way my phone looks man and I gotta say after two weeks of owning this it is timeless and slim. AND i'm not just saying this, because I have a buyer already waiting ..who i've been procrastinating turning down. NEway, later for that ;P (I'll help him find a nice one on ebay tho)
one thing i realized without thinking about it too, is there is brand loyalty involved too. I never really realized this before until I saw you guys' sigs, and looked back. i have been an htc fan and never really noticed it. now I know why.
peace out, and have a good night.
PS: be careful when SMSing tonight! TGIFers! heh! Use your Winmo device like I do ;P and heed the SMS Random Selection fairy! ;P
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Keep in mind that any software related issues with the galaxy series would be non existant on a samsung made nexus phone.

jivemaster said:
Keep in mind that any software related issues with the galaxy series would be non existant on a samsung made nexus phone.
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Granted.
I would still wait, personally, for a nexus phone with the same form factor as this one. Too slim!

If it is really an orion cpu and can work on the same tzones/web2go plan then i would switch and give up the superior design of the nexus.

If it is licensed thru tmo, you will likely need a full data plan...
Afaik only the dev phones can pull this off as tmo has no record of the imei
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Will you be ditching your HD2 in summer?

check this out...QUAD CORE Android Cpu is coming!!
http://androidandme.com/
Love my HD2....but this is tempting!!
Prob' end up keeping my HD2 and go begging on streets for spare change towards my quad core..lol
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matt

Iunno, saying devices packed with such a cpu by summer is sort of a stretch for me.
When was it, last year? At the CES, where nvidia showed off tegra 2 devices, and now a year later, devices are finally coming out with the tegra 2.
I mean atleast last year, they had devices packed with the tegra 2 to display how fast and efficient it was, but now, all they have is the chip to show us. It just doesn't sound to me devices with tegra 3 will be ready by summer of this year, maybe near the end of the year there will be devices.
However, onto the topic of the question of whether I will "ditch" my hd2 by summer. I wouldn't say ditch, for I plan to keep it for playing around with, however I will get a new phone, prolly.
Devices in mind right now optimus 2x (the big possibility of the camera lens getting scratched is scaring me), samsung galaxy II (iunno, seeing as how they aren't known for their support) and maybe even the atrix 4g (the inablilty to truly root the phone is biting at me)
Just wished HTC released a device on the same league with optimus 2x and etc. Then I'd be sure of which device to buy...

I will definitely still keep my HD2 but I will also start looking to buy a new phone around that time. The specs on the new phones are just mind-blasting (Russel Peters joke).

Probably keeping my hd2 for another year until my upgrade hah.

Well, one thing is for sure, i'll be very pissed at nvidia, for releasing such an awsome SoC.
I mean it took two years for smartphones to catch up the the HD2, and you're telling me that right when dual core processor tablet/phones are going to be released, a phone/tablet with 4 cores and what, with 1.5ghz for each core, is going to be released.
It justs pisses me off that if i buy a new phone now, at the end of the year, a phone that greatly surpasses it will be out.
But at the same time, the idea of quad core devices being out at the end of the year still seems too much a stretch to me.

Kailkti said:
Well, one thing is for sure, i'll be very pissed at nvidia, for releasing such an awsome SoC.
I mean it took two years for smartphones to catch up the the HD2, and you're telling me that right when dual core processor tablet/phones are going to be released, a phone/tablet with 4 cores and what, with 1.5ghz for each core, is going to be released.
It justs pisses me off that if i buy a new phone now, at the end of the year, a phone that greatly surpasses it will be out.
But at the same time, the idea of quad core devices being out at the end of the year still seems too much a stretch to me.
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i think we all have a love/hate relationship with how quickly our phone technology moves. luckily, we all have hd2s which is still a phone many others wish to be.

I'll keep mine till next year,and change it for upcoming HTC Revolver

They didn't say anything about the htc pyramid. That's definetely what I'm getting.

Ill be keeping my hd2 for sure...with webOS development possibly around the corner ill never ditch this phone...!! U can do too much with it..!! Ill definitely be copping another phone by summer tho..that's just what I do haha...HTC_PYRAMID..??
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The "quad core" is nothing but another cortex-A9. Nothing special here.
One single-core a15 at ~2ghz can mop the floor with what will likely be another 1ghz "multi-core" processor. And for what? How many apps do you know are multi-threaded? In terms of "snappiness" and response time, how are the 3 other cores going to miraculously take over or "share" a bottleneck process?
This is utter ridiculousness. There's a reason Qualcomm (and many phone manufacturers) are completely nonchalant about sticking in their a9-based 1ghz chips in phones for the indefinite future -- because in terms of general responsiveness, efficiency and clock speed of an individual core are all that matters (a case can be made for "background processes" hogging CPU time), and for games and other intense applicaions, the GPU is all that matters (in which case the 12 core GPU is a huge asset).
4 cores... probably at all at a low clock speed sharing the dated a9 architecture. If a company is willing to squander these kind of resources for PR and press coverage, fine. But if they seriously think they can compete with a true a15, it's a good thing for everyone companies like Qualcomm are playing it safe and investing in the newer a15 architecture. If a9 was 15% better than a8, then a15 is over 300% so. Choose your poison.

Yeah I'm deff getting the htc pyramid. I'm going to give my hd2 to my gf

I got my hd2 as soon as they came out last may so I will probably be holding onto it until I'm eligible for an update.
With all these fast stable nand builds coming out and a 4.3in screen, why get rid of it?

I bought my HD2 off of eBay (it went surprisingly well!). I did that specifically to play with android builds and to not be trapped for 2 years when the technology seems to be moving pretty fast.
What I REALLY want is better battery life without a quasimodo hump!!!

Keeping my HD2 until it DIES! ...
Question remains: what kind of software support will be created to show-off Quad-Core beauty??? Let me guess: NONE! Therefore, it will be the same all, same all... Only thing we may see is the 3D and graphics effects that are a real eye-candy... nothing else, as current phones can do about everything phone should do

True, no app will be designed yet to show its true potential. The same goes for all multi core processors. But remember, HTC, LG, Samsung and Motorola knows this. That's why these phones are marketed for people who want to future proof themselves.
E.g. The HD2, was marketed to the same type of people and arguably the best phone in it's time in terms of specs. However, we all know that it didn't live up to it's full potential cuz of it's winmo, now don't we? But now with android ported, and android catching up to speed with 1gz phones, the HD2 is finally proving how powerful it can be, which is two years after its launch.
Plus even if the system doesn't recognize the other cores, as well, cores, they still help in the processing, like little maids. So it's not like the other cores aren't being used or are gathering dust.

My HD2 will be replaced in November, i have the device 2 years then.
I must say i dont rly think about changing right now, cause i dont find any other device beter then the HD2, best device arround even till this day (imo).
Expecialy with the setup im running now.
LG Optimus 2x looks nice/promising, but in November we will probably even have more kinds of next-gen devices, ill be watching the news

I'm sticking with my HD2 as long as there are no other newer phones which gets this much support and different OS builds. What I've read, there are not single one device which would be a lot better than HD2. Leo's hardware are almost as good as every other phone on the market. So its no point buying a new 500€ device just to have a little bit better performance and worst of all it could turn out to be a model which doesn't get as much tweaks and support as HD2.

normaly i upgrade to a new phone every year.
but this year.. there i just nothing wich is a REAL upgrade to the HD2.
yes sure, the Desire HD, the Incredible S.. cool devices, yea
but not really worth an upgrade
all the other new dualcore devices?
i dont want to go samsung.. so no galaxy s2 for me
i dont want to go LG, never.
only option would be the Atrix, but that one has aaaaawsome locked down software, so **** OFF
im staying with the HD2 till a device gets released wich is REALLY worth the upgrade

quad core be very good

Downgrade?
I'm going for a SIM only plan for one year that will more than halve my monthly payments.
There is no phone out there that makes me think an upgrade is worthwhile for the extra spondoolies.
Viva la HD2

[Q] Potential !

Hey guys,
The setting:
So lets say hypothetically, the boot loader is cracked and we have custom Roms along with custom Kernels.
Now:
What is the potential of this phone?
...More specifically, do you guys think the Atrix will be at the top of the mobile world for years to come and be able to match up against newer dual core phones such as the HTC Pyramid, EVO 3D or the new Samsung and LG phones?
Would it be a worthwhile investment?
I'm curious as to whether this phone, if unlocked, will be the standard phone to compete against. Will all other phones coming out still be playing catchup?
I understand the specs, and understand that phones evolve rather quickly.... just curious as to others opinions and their view of the potential the Atrix has.
Thanks,
And lets hope the boot loader gets cracked soon

Tech moves so quick that by the time the HTC evo 3D and pyramid is released, there are going to be better phones then that.
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That's irrelevant. With your logic, we should never get any phone because there will always be better phones.
I'm asking how long this phone could be considered one of the best if its unlocked.
It has a great battery, and specs that no phone has matched, even phones that are soon to come out.

veshio said:
That's irrelevant. With your logic, we should never get any phone because there will always be better phones.
I'm asking how long this phone could be considered one of the best if its unlocked.
It has a great battery, and specs that no phone has matched, even phones that are soon to come out.
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it will be just like any other high end phone. old after 6-10 months.

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Tech moves so quick that by the time the HTC evo 3D and pyramid is released, there are going to be better phones then that.
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I'm completely with you on that
veshio said:
That's irrelevant. With your logic, we should never get any phone because there will always be better phones.
I'm asking how long this phone could be considered one of the best if its unlocked.
It has a great battery, and specs that no phone has matched, even phones that are soon to come out.
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Stuff gets more advanced. Theres no stopping it, theres no way to jump ahead. And theres already stuff about the quad core cortex a9 saying it could come as soon as Q3.
I think the Atrix could be a decent on top phone until 2012 max. Then it's most likely to be murdered by another really awesome phone.

Like other have said tech advances so fast now. with in 10 months there will be something as good if not better along. For example check this out
http://www.thebesthandphone.com/new-quad-core-processors-from-qualcomm.html
some time next year we will most likely see quad core phones on the market.

Yea i understand that. I mean it relatively... as in if the phones is on top for a good couple of years, i consider that very good.

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Yea i understand that. I mean it relatively... as in if the phones is on top for a good couple of years, i consider that very good.
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well from what I know and I could be totally wrong. The next phone that will be on par spec wise with the atrix is the samsung galaxy s2. It will have 1gig ram also and run the same dual core the atrix has. Not sure the resolution of the screen. The camera is 8mp vs the atrix 5mp and the screen is 4.3 vs 4.0 inches. So I guess you can say the atrix will be king of the hill for another month or so. I'm not sure when the s2 comes out but I have heard it might be in april or may.

I think the Atrix is a good platform for "potential" simply because it has everything everyone else is working towards PLUS a big 1930 MAH battery. We can learn to tweak things down the road, but that is one big battery considering how slim the phone is.

Quad core? If you ask me that's unnecessary. A mobile OS doesn't need that much power, just slim it down. That's the problem with the Atrix, it has MotoBlur which handicaps it. What we really need are better batteries, more memory, and a better NETWORK. The Inspire runs just as quick as the Atrix with a single core and less RAM because Sense doesn't cripple it. I had an Inspire and Atrix side by side and I could hardly tell a difference.
And all this hype about what these processors can do for gaming, that's just senseless. We're talking about 4 inch screens and it's still a phone.

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Quad core? If you ask me that's unnecessary. A mobile OS doesn't need that much power, just slim it down. That's the problem with the Atrix, it has MotoBlur which handicaps it. What we really need are better batteries, more memory, and a better NETWORK. The Inspire runs just as quick as the Atrix with a single core and less RAM because Sense doesn't cripple it. I had an Inspire and Atrix side by side and I could hardly tell a difference.
And all this hype about what these processors can do for gaming, that's just senseless. We're talking about 4 inch screens and it's still a phone.
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Your forgeting one big factor. There is not a OS that supports dual core yet. Once one comes that that utilizes both cores you will see a huge difference. The way I see it cell phones are only about 5-6 years behind PC's. With the popularity of them its only going to get closer. Look at the atrix with some rooting you can use it as a pc once its plugged into a tv/monitor. You are going to see more and more things like this until their is no difference between the two. Who knows 5 years from now in stead of having a pc at home we will have our phones. Just plug it into a tv grab a key board and mouse and do everything we do now on them.

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Your forgeting one big factor. There is not a OS that supports dual core yet. Once one comes that that utilizes both cores you will see a huge difference. The way I see it cell phones are only about 5-6 years behind PC's. With the popularity of them its only going to get closer. Look at the atrix with some rooting you can use it as a pc once its plugged into a tv/monitor. You are going to see more and more things like this until their is no difference between the two. Who knows 5 years from now in stead of having a pc at home we will have our phones. Just plug it into a tv grab a key board and mouse and do everything we do now on them.
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Good point. I forgot GB is optimized for dual core phones. I just don't see those split second differences being a deal breaker for me. I would rather my data over the network move faster (without a tiered plan as well). I'm not much of a gamer either so I'm a little biased in that respect as well.
When it comes down to it, I just want a phone that works and I can use it heavily without worrying about charging the battery. Is that too much to ask? I'm also afraid that all of these fads like 3D is going to convolute what is really important in a phone.

The atrix has the best battery of any phone I've had so far. With a good amount of use. Net surfing texting emails I still get 18+ hours out of it with 20% still showing. I'm at 13 hours since I unplugged my charger and I'm still at 40%

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The atrix has the best battery of any phone I've had so far. With a good amount of use. Net surfing texting emails I still get 18+ hours out of it with 20% still showing. I'm at 13 hours since I unplugged my charger and I'm still at 40%
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I'd be careful of the update. I was getting similar battery life as you with 5-6 hours of display but now I struggle to get 24 hours with 2 hours of display (and I had to remove some apps like Beautiful Widgets and had to turn off my syncing).
My point on the battery life is no one (other than Apple) is trying to improve battery tech. I had the iPhone 4 before the Atrix and I was easily getting 40-50 hours of use and it only had a 1420mAh battery

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well from what I know and I could be totally wrong. The next phone that will be on par spec wise with the atrix is the samsung galaxy s2. It will have 1gig ram also and run the same dual core the atrix has. Not sure the resolution of the screen. The camera is 8mp vs the atrix 5mp and the screen is 4.3 vs 4.0 inches. So I guess you can say the atrix will be king of the hill for another month or so. I'm not sure when the s2 comes out but I have heard it might be in april or may.
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i gotta disagree, i seriously doubt the samsung galaxy S2 will even be able to compete with the Atrix, for one, it's Super thin so i doubt that battery will even come close to the Atrix(correct me it i'm wrong), another reason which a lot of people don't like.........Samsung. Now i've never owned a samsung phone, but i've read a lot of reviews of Samsung galaxy S owners, and 95% of them weren't good at all, i also have a few friends that own Samsung galaxy S phones and none of them kept them over a month. So as far as the Atrix being old news, i really doubt it anytime this year and may still have some hype 1st quarter of 2012(look at the Evo, so it's definitly possible)

Its the software that can make a device great (40% hardware- 60% software). What good the specs are if the os can't utilize its full potential. One big example is motorola xoom and atrix. Im a bit sad that the mobile phone market is becomming more of a specs/hardware race. And the software is getting left behind. This has been a problem of android. Hope google and its hardware partners(samsung, htc, lg) would put great money into developing better updates for android so it can utilize the whole potential of the hardware rather than continously releasing new phones with premature softwares.
And yeah they should improve battery technoogy too...

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i gotta disagree, i seriously doubt the samsung galaxy S2 will even be able to compete with the Atrix, for one, it's Super thin so i doubt that battery will even come close to the Atrix(correct me it i'm wrong), another reason which a lot of people don't like.........Samsung. Now i've never owned a samsung phone, but i've read a lot of reviews of Samsung galaxy S owners, and 95% of them weren't good at all, i also have a few friends that own Samsung galaxy S phones and none of them kept them over a month. So as far as the Atrix being old news, i really doubt it anytime this year and may still have some hype 1st quarter of 2012(look at the Evo, so it's definitly possible)
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This.
and some, like me, think the 4" screen is the perfect size while the 4.3" screen is too big. However, with all future phones, it just comes down to personal preference.

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Your forgeting one big factor. There is not a OS that supports dual core yet. Once one comes that that utilizes both cores you will see a huge difference. The way I see it cell phones are only about 5-6 years behind PC's. With the popularity of them its only going to get closer. Look at the atrix with some rooting you can use it as a pc once its plugged into a tv/monitor. You are going to see more and more things like this until their is no difference between the two. Who knows 5 years from now in stead of having a pc at home we will have our phones. Just plug it into a tv grab a key board and mouse and do everything we do now on them.
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live4nyy said:
Good point. I forgot GB is optimized for dual core phones. I just don't see those split second differences being a deal breaker for me. I would rather my data over the network move faster (without a tiered plan as well). I'm not much of a gamer either so I'm a little biased in that respect as well.
When it comes down to it, I just want a phone that works and I can use it heavily without worrying about charging the battery. Is that too much to ask? I'm also afraid that all of these fads like 3D is going to convolute what is really important in a phone.
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Wrong, wrong and wrong. Where do you get your information? The build of Froyo running on the Atrix has dual core support.

I see no faster on Atrix running Froyo at the moment. The speed is on par with SS GS and NS. But i rely on Motorola because i have had a few SS phones and all of them had hardware/build issues.

I think the phone will be relevant (to us anyway) for around 3 years, same as with last generations top tier phones.
What I think a lot of people here are confusing is, for the most part, relevance aslnd aactual pole position.
You have to talked into consideration how much better tthe next generation phone is, and whether or not that makes the previous generation actually obsolete or just dated.
For instance, I have the Nexus 1 right now and iI got it after I got the Captivate and Atrix. Yes the Atrix is a better phone on paper but it isn't THAT much better to make me want to get rid of my current phone.
I think, logically, that it will be the 2nd generation up that makes the former irrelevant (at this point). The Atrix and dual core phones announced aalready make the first first Gen smartphones (iPhone 1, HTC hero) extremely dated but the latter half (nexus 1, galaxy s, etc) are still relevant ttoday.
Of course you also have to factor in the applications that are being used and the network the phones are on. Right now, this instant, dual core phones aren't needed because of the speed of the network, light usage for CPU for browsing, and widespread video codecs.
Next year that might change.
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