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Why I'm returning my Xoom after just 24 hours

I would consider myself as an Android advanced user. I've had the G1, MyTouch 3G, NexusOne and Droid X. I've purchased each device the day it was released and I've helped dozens of people switch from dumbphones and Iphones to Android. I've rooted, used custom ROMs, etc. Additionally, my company is very much google-based (Gmail, docs, and talk are all core components to how we do business).
I really expected the Xoom to deliver greater capabilities than my Android phones, primarily for consuming media and viewing AND editing spreadsheets.
I pre-ordered the Xoom and picked it up yesterday morning (2nd in line out of 12+) and after less than 24 hours I've decided to return it. Primarily it is because I can actually do MORE with my Driod X than I can with the Xoom based on my daily usage. The biggest pains/frustrations I have with the Xoom are:
Lack of flash support/real browser: I know it's coming "in a few weeks" but in the meanwhile when I want to read news items with flash videos, browse "real" sites or play flash games, I have to actually pull out my phone because the Xoom can't do it! I should be able to pull up my browser, visit any media site and start consuming media. Instead I'm limited to standard browsing. With this much processing power and the huge screen it's absolutely ridiculous that the device doesn't include a full-featured browser!
Apps: The lack of tablet-optimized apps is extremely frustrating. All the apps I need to use work just fine on my Droid X. I was hoping for additional functionality on the Xoom, but it's actually worse because some of my regular-use apps are quite buggy on the Xoom (e.g., spreadsheets in DocumentsToGo simply does not work).
Having to carry both a charging cable AND a USB cable...it's just ridiculous.
Mobile Google Docs: because Google Docs is such an important tool for my business I NEED full google docs capabilities. The processing power in this device is FAR superior to that of my netbook, why can't they put that to use? Spreadsheets in Google Docs mobile is absolutely useless.
Bugs: In the market, clicking on "my apps" always loads the most recently installed app rather than loading the "my apps" list in Market. Additionally, pausing a movie and attempting to browse back to the movie list in Gallery fails, so I have to browse to Home, load Gallery and then browse back to the movie list.
Lack of DLNA. On my Droid X or NexusOne I'm able to access my media, download it, upload it, or stream it from any computer on my home network. With the Xoom I can't. So, if I want to watch a movie while sitting in bed I have to connect the Xoom to my PC, download the movie, disconnect it and then I'm ready to watch. In this case the Xoom is a DISCONNECTED media device...I haven't owned a disconnected media device for 1 1/2 years! Ridiculous! I should be able to jump on the network, browse for media and start streaming, but it's impossible with the Xoom.
I'm frustrated that this device - which cost FOUR TIMES what my cutting-edge phone cost can't even keep up.
What are your thoughts? Are there solutions for the issues above that I'm just not aware of? Have any of you experienced similar frustrations?
P.S. the battery life and screen are really cool, but I don't see any significant improvements in Honeycomb over Froyo...maybe I should go buy a Galaxy Tab?

I'd say give it at least until your 14 day return period.
When the iPad came out, I had a friend who got it first day (He's an Apple fanboy...the annoying kind. lol) He whined and moaned for two weeks about there not being any iPad oriented apps. Now he defends the iPad like it's the holy grail.
Just give it time. The XOOM's main purpose at this point is to give developers a platform for developing on Android tablets. They JUST got the thing, so it might be a little while.
The charger thing is kind of frustrating, but I'm not going to let that ruin it for me. My backpack has plenty of pockets.

mitchweight said:
I would consider myself as an Android advanced user. I've had the G1, MyTouch 3G, NexusOne and Droid X. I've purchased each device the day it was released and I've helped dozens of people switch from dumbphones and Iphones to Android. I've rooted, used custom ROMs, etc. Additionally, my company is very much google-based (Gmail, docs, and talk are all core components to how we do business).
I really expected the Xoom to deliver greater capabilities than my Android phones, primarily for consuming media and viewing AND editing spreadsheets.
I pre-ordered the Xoom and picked it up yesterday morning (2nd in line out of 12+) and after less than 24 hours I've decided to return it. Primarily it is because I can actually do MORE with my Driod X than I can with the Xoom based on my daily usage. The biggest pains/frustrations I have with the Xoom are:
Lack of flash support/real browser: I know it's coming "in a few weeks" but in the meanwhile when I want to read news items with flash videos, browse "real" sites or play flash games, I have to actually pull out my phone because the Xoom can't do it! I should be able to pull up my browser, visit any media site and start consuming media. Instead I'm limited to standard browsing. With this much processing power and the huge screen it's absolutely ridiculous that the device doesn't include a full-featured browser!
Apps: The lack of tablet-optimized apps is extremely frustrating. All the apps I need to use work just fine on my Droid X. I was hoping for additional functionality on the Xoom, but it's actually worse because some of my regular-use apps are quite buggy on the Xoom (e.g., spreadsheets in DocumentsToGo simply does not work).
Having to carry both a charging cable AND a USB cable...it's just ridiculous.
Mobile Google Docs: because Google Docs is such an important tool for my business I NEED full google docs capabilities. The processing power in this device is FAR superior to that of my netbook, why can't they put that to use? Spreadsheets in Google Docs mobile is absolutely useless.
Bugs: In the market, clicking on "my apps" always loads the most recently installed app rather than loading the "my apps" list in Market. Additionally, pausing a movie and attempting to browse back to the movie list in Gallery fails, so I have to browse to Home, load Gallery and then browse back to the movie list.
Lack of DLNA. On my Droid X or NexusOne I'm able to access my media, download it, upload it, or stream it from any computer on my home network. With the Xoom I can't. So, if I want to watch a movie while sitting in bed I have to connect the Xoom to my PC, download the movie, disconnect it and then I'm ready to watch. In this case the Xoom is a DISCONNECTED media device...I haven't owned a disconnected media device for 1 1/2 years! Ridiculous! I should be able to jump on the network, browse for media and start streaming, but it's impossible with the Xoom.
I'm frustrated that this device - which cost FOUR TIMES what my cutting-edge phone cost can't even keep up.
What are your thoughts? Are there solutions for the issues above that I'm just not aware of? Have any of you experienced similar frustrations?
P.S. the battery life and screen are really cool, but I don't see any significant improvements in Honeycomb over Froyo...maybe I should go buy a Galaxy Tab?
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Man, no offense but your entire post you seem like a whiney little kid. Your a early adopter of a device and complaining on this forum about early adopter syndrome.
Flash? Man i'm sick of seeing flash post's as flash is becoming irrelevant. iPad(#1 tablet) doesn't even have flash. Get over yourself.
Apps? O-M-G the Tablet has been out a grand total of 1 day. You surprised they don't have apps? Wow...
Bugs? It's Honeycomb fool it was just released!!!!!!!!!!
Streaming media... Bro the device has been out 1 day.
All your points sound so dumb...

Sorry to hear bout your frustrations. But it is what early adopters are supposed to be. We pretty much for the device to test it. Google will indeed update the software and makes this experience on honeycomb better. Your frustrations are largely because of apps developers have not yet update
their apps. Hope you'll come back here soon once this thing is updated in a few months.
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I don't know, but if I read your reasoning it looks like you already knew before you buy or you need to just postpone your purchase.
1. You can postpone your purchase until Flash 10.2 available
2. You can postpone your purchase until all your apps are available in Honeycomb version
3. I agree with this, but charging this beast via USB will take long long long time!
4. You can postpone your purchase until Google doc updated
5. Hmmm, I think this is normal, right? At least in my Nexus S is like this.
6. You should know this before you buy the Xoom

jamaicansolja said:
Man, no offense but your entire post you seem like a whiney little kid. Your a early adopter of a device and complaining on this forum about early adopter syndrome.
Flash? Man i'm sick of seeing flash post's as flash is becoming irrelevant. iPad(#1 tablet) doesn't even have flash. Get over yourself.
Apps? O-M-G the Tablet has been out a grand total of 1 day. You surprised they don't have apps? Wow...
Bugs? It's Honeycomb fool it was just released!!!!!!!!!!
Streaming media... Bro the device has been out 1 day.
All your points sound so dumb...
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AMEN Brotha!

jamaicansolja said:
Man, no offense but your entire post you seem like a whiney little kid. Your a early adopter of a device and complaining on this forum about early adopter syndrome.
Flash? Man i'm sick of seeing flash post's as flash is becoming irrelevant. iPad(#1 tablet) doesn't even have flash. Get over yourself.
Apps? O-M-G the Tablet has been out a grand total of 1 day. You surprised they don't have apps? Wow...
Bugs? It's Honeycomb fool it was just released!!!!!!!!!!
Streaming media... Bro the device has been out 1 day.
All your points sound so dumb...
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Flash is still present on a lot of the internet. People are buying Android tablets because they want Flash. If they didn't, they'd already own an iPad. You can down play it if you want, but it's supposed to be a huge advantage of Android.
The tablet's been out one day, but the iPad had several tablet-specific apps ready on day 1 and from what I hear did a good job of scaling up phone apps so they were at least usable on the iPad. Google has had a year to catch up and to find a way to make most phone apps translate properly to Honeycomb. It's not a big complaint of mine, but it's a valid complaint.
Bugs are bugs. Nobody has to like them, but it's what you get with a new OS.
Streaming media is what most tablets are used for, it should work.
Why are you insulting him for expressing what he doesn't like about it? He's offering constructive criticism about the Xoom.

mitchweight said:
I'm frustrated that this device - which cost FOUR TIMES what my cutting-edge phone cost can't even keep up.
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Actually it's 1.4 times the cost of your phone. Comparing the subsidized cost of your Droid X to the retail cost of the Xoom is a bit uneven. The retail of the Droid X was $560ish when I bought mine a few weeks ago, making it 1.4 times.

mitchweight said:
I would consider myself as an Android advanced user. I've had the G1, MyTouch 3G, NexusOne and Droid X. I've purchased each device the day it was released and I've helped dozens of people switch from dumbphones and Iphones to Android. I've rooted, used custom ROMs, etc. Additionally, my company is very much google-based (Gmail, docs, and talk are all core components to how we do business).
I really expected the Xoom to deliver greater capabilities than my Android phones, primarily for consuming media and viewing AND editing spreadsheets.
I pre-ordered the Xoom and picked it up yesterday morning (2nd in line out of 12+) and after less than 24 hours I've decided to return it. Primarily it is because I can actually do MORE with my Driod X than I can with the Xoom based on my daily usage. The biggest pains/frustrations I have with the Xoom are:
Lack of flash support/real browser: I know it's coming "in a few weeks" but in the meanwhile when I want to read news items with flash videos, browse "real" sites or play flash games, I have to actually pull out my phone because the Xoom can't do it! I should be able to pull up my browser, visit any media site and start consuming media. Instead I'm limited to standard browsing. With this much processing power and the huge screen it's absolutely ridiculous that the device doesn't include a full-featured browser!
Apps: The lack of tablet-optimized apps is extremely frustrating. All the apps I need to use work just fine on my Droid X. I was hoping for additional functionality on the Xoom, but it's actually worse because some of my regular-use apps are quite buggy on the Xoom (e.g., spreadsheets in DocumentsToGo simply does not work).
Having to carry both a charging cable AND a USB cable...it's just ridiculous.
Mobile Google Docs: because Google Docs is such an important tool for my business I NEED full google docs capabilities. The processing power in this device is FAR superior to that of my netbook, why can't they put that to use? Spreadsheets in Google Docs mobile is absolutely useless.
Bugs: In the market, clicking on "my apps" always loads the most recently installed app rather than loading the "my apps" list in Market. Additionally, pausing a movie and attempting to browse back to the movie list in Gallery fails, so I have to browse to Home, load Gallery and then browse back to the movie list.
Lack of DLNA. On my Droid X or NexusOne I'm able to access my media, download it, upload it, or stream it from any computer on my home network. With the Xoom I can't. So, if I want to watch a movie while sitting in bed I have to connect the Xoom to my PC, download the movie, disconnect it and then I'm ready to watch. In this case the Xoom is a DISCONNECTED media device...I haven't owned a disconnected media device for 1 1/2 years! Ridiculous! I should be able to jump on the network, browse for media and start streaming, but it's impossible with the Xoom.
I'm frustrated that this device - which cost FOUR TIMES what my cutting-edge phone cost can't even keep up.
What are your thoughts? Are there solutions for the issues above that I'm just not aware of? Have any of you experienced similar frustrations?
P.S. the battery life and screen are really cool, but I don't see any significant improvements in Honeycomb over Froyo...maybe I should go buy a Galaxy Tab?
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Out of curiosity, why not use one of the streaming service apps from the market? I use VLC Stream & Convert Pro. Works for me (haven't tried it yet on my Xoom, but can't imagine why it wouldnt work).
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.gmail.traveldevel.android.vlc.license

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Early adopters are a rare breed. especially in the google expereince.
you have to except that google moves fast, but not in a bugless manner. regardless its something people can deal with and are fine with.
i bought it, i enjoy it, and i can see the areas of needed improvement. but im happy, because im all android and trust in google making this a great experience. maybe its not on day one, but through google/dev support it will sure enough be a great package.
my suggestion:if you were expecting perfection. you are not a early adopter. your a brat.

buyers remorse threads from complainers should be deleted on any forum.

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buyers remorse threads from complainers should be deleted on any forum.
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I honestly don't see too much reason to complain about some bugs in the device at this early stage. The device hardware-wise is awesome (disliking how much fingerprints get on it, but meh, I carry a cleaning cloth around), and Google will only keep updating Android to make it run better.
Software support from 3rd party developers will catch up quickly. In less than 24 hours, the number of apps in the Android for Tablet section nearly doubled since I bought the Xoom yesterday morning.
It's rootable, the bootloader is unlockable, and once the source goes live, I know some of the really talented devs out here will start picking apart bugs in the source and making some really sick custom ROMS for the Xoom.
Yeah, there's some inconvenience with using the device, certainly Honeycomb has its share of bugs, and some missing features that really should have been a part of the OS at launch. But after showing my Xoom to a couple people at work that have iPads, they were completely blown away by how tablet-like Honeycomb is. In fact the most-used remark was "It's not a giant phone."
All-in-all, I'm very happy with my Xoom, and can't wait to see what the future holds for this device.

Rebuttal:
1- Lack of Flash. You are an early adopter.
2- Apps. You are an early adopter.
3- Charging complaints. Typical of tablets - that's not going to change.
4- Google Docs. Early adopter.
5- Bugs. Early adopter.
6- Lack of DLNA. Early adopter, this could come later (or it might not).
See the pattern? You pre-ordered with assumptions, and those assumptions were wrong. In the case of Flash, it was more of an 11th hour change but it was still before release.
In all honesty, none of the things you've mentioned surprise me in the least. Probably my only real complaint with the device so far is that the microSD isn't working yet - that's something they should have gotten fixed before release since it's a blatant hardware problem.

Thanks for all the feedback. I understand the early adopter pains, and to be fair, Droid X and froyo are pretty mature platforms. When Honeycomb becomes mature I'm sure it will be killer.
While I know Google was trying to steal some thunder from the iPad 2 announcement, I think they would have gotten a lot more mainstream traction if they had addressed some of these issues before release.
Thanks for pointing me to streaming from VLC, I'll take a look at that and post back the results.
Any other ideas on spreadsheets?

Ditto to what everyone else is saying, plus: I think it's clear that they found some issues with Flash and the Tegra 2. I'd much rather they spend a few extra weeks optimizing things than just put out a bug-ridden version (which would have people up in arms about things being buggy).
I mean, really, it's always this way: some people complain if a company delays a product because of bugs, and others complain when they don't. Personally, I'd rather have my Xoom to use now with a few bugs than wait a few weeks for it to be more "perfect." I think offering the device itself with some (I think) minor bugs and without some major bugs is a good compromise.

mitchweight said:
[*]Mobile Google Docs: because Google Docs is such an important tool for my business I NEED full google docs capabilities. The processing power in this device is FAR superior to that of my netbook, why can't they put that to use? Spreadsheets in Google Docs mobile is absolutely useless.[/LIST]
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Did you try using "about:debug" in the browser and then going to Settings to change the browser's User Agent String to "Desktop"?
Please try that and let us know if Google Docs works properly after the change.

I usually have major buyer's remorse with everything I buy, but not with the xoom. Nothing you mentioned was unknown. My iSheep friends bithced about the same stuff when the iPad came out. And they are still *****ing about flash .
EDIT: as per jm9843, I can confirm that about:debug does work for change UAString. I'll check if google docs works.
EDIT: Desktop Google Docs warns you that some features may not work, and gives a weird version that looks almost like desktop but is clearly different. I can't say I like it, but it could do in a pinch. It's odd though.

roebeet said:
Rebuttal:
1- Lack of Flash. You are an early adopter.
2- Apps. You are an early adopter.
3- Charging complaints. Typical of tablets - that's not going to change.
4- Google Docs. Early adopter.
5- Bugs. Early adopter.
6- Lack of DLNA. Early adopter, this could come later (or it might not).
See the pattern? You pre-ordered with assumptions, and those assumptions were wrong. In the case of Flash, it was more of an 11th hour change but it was still before release.
In all honesty, none of the things you've mentioned surprise me in the least. Probably my only real complaint with the device so far is that the microSD isn't working yet - that's something they should have gotten fixed before release since it's a blatant hardware problem.
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I wonder why the ipad was able to be released without anyone needing to defend I with the early adopter line?? It released with a thousand apps at launch, no early adopter waiting period. It released without a million bugs throughout the os, no early adxopter waiting period. You people bashing him are hilarious and stupid. Motorola and google completely messed up this release. Regular consumers don't give a **** about your early adopter excuse, they want things working day 1. And why do we care what regular users think??? Because if regular users treat the xoom and honeycomb like the beta software/hardware it is right now, there will be no getting out of your early adopter phase bcause companies won't suport the platform.
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mitchweight said:
Lack of flash support/real browser: I know it's coming "in a few weeks" but in the meanwhile when I want to read news items with flash videos, browse "real" sites or play flash games, I have to actually pull out my phone because the Xoom can't do it! I should be able to pull up my browser, visit any media site and start consuming media. Instead I'm limited to standard browsing. With this much processing power and the huge screen it's absolutely ridiculous that the device doesn't include a full-featured browser!
Apps: The lack of tablet-optimized apps is extremely frustrating. All the apps I need to use work just fine on my Droid X. I was hoping for additional functionality on the Xoom, but it's actually worse because some of my regular-use apps are quite buggy on the Xoom (e.g., spreadsheets in DocumentsToGo simply does not work).
Having to carry both a charging cable AND a USB cable...it's just ridiculous.
Mobile Google Docs: because Google Docs is such an important tool for my business I NEED full google docs capabilities. The processing power in this device is FAR superior to that of my netbook, why can't they put that to use? Spreadsheets in Google Docs mobile is absolutely useless.
Bugs: In the market, clicking on "my apps" always loads the most recently installed app rather than loading the "my apps" list in Market. Additionally, pausing a movie and attempting to browse back to the movie list in Gallery fails, so I have to browse to Home, load Gallery and then browse back to the movie list.
Lack of DLNA. On my Droid X or NexusOne I'm able to access my media, download it, upload it, or stream it from any computer on my home network. With the Xoom I can't. So, if I want to watch a movie while sitting in bed I have to connect the Xoom to my PC, download the movie, disconnect it and then I'm ready to watch. In this case the Xoom is a DISCONNECTED media device...I haven't owned a disconnected media device for 1 1/2 years! Ridiculous! I should be able to jump on the network, browse for media and start streaming, but it's impossible with the Xoom.
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Whats funny is I've been debating returning mine and none of your reasons made my list. After being a day 1 purchaser of a G1 and a Palm Pre, you get used to those things you listed.
My issues are more related to performance. With a tegra 2 processor, I'm really surprised at how sluggish the system gets sometimes. It's only been 24hrs and I'm already counting the days till the first OTA.
BUT, I gotta say, the potential of this device is amazing and that alone is keeping me from acting on any returns. Plus, depending on where you bought it, you'll have at least 14days to return it. No rash decisions...give it a chance.

[Q] Debating a Return before Wednesday

First off, let me say that i'm no fan of Apple and I really can't stand Steve Jobs. Yes, i've bought his products, but I hate being told what to do once I give him my money. I like customization. I like options. Hence, I do not like Steve Jobs.
I was very excited about the Xoom. I checked online every day for information about it since it's announcement. I had very high expectations and, even though the price tag was higher than I wanted to pay, I was the first to buy it at my local Best Buy.
Now, with that being said. I'm coming up on my 14 day return policy and am debating if I should keep it. I am new to this forum and have been reading through all the threads and learned a lot. However, in my learnings, I have also found things that concern me.
To start, let me tell you why I bought it. I had an iPad before and I mainly used it for online browsing around the house. For movies when I go on trips. And I wanted to use the Xoom for all of that, but also as my work and personal organizer. For easy access to business plans and work integration.
Here's where I'm having problems. If these are things that I should expect to be fixed with updates over time, then great. If not, then I'll have to find another option.
1) The Tegra Processor. I read on here that the Tegra Processor is what is preventing the Xoom from playing my divx movies. Now, I have gotten them to work on RockPlayer. But it has that watermark in the top left hand corner and my status bar at the bottom of the xoom never fades out. Also, and this is the biggest problem, the quality doesn't look good. It looks like their is a subtle light grid in the background. Almost like the original LCD's you saw in airports back in the day. When I first heard about the Tegra issues, I was just going to return the Xoom and get another Honeycomb tablet, but then I saw that all of the Android Tablets will have one.
2) The Browser. I did the trips where you go into debug mode and tell the Xoom to view all webpages in Desktop mode, but there are still a few sites that will only show me the mobile mode. Also, I like to have my bookmarks sorted by the order in which I visit them, yet the Xoom seems to randomly organize them for me. Kinda annoying.
3) Accessories. The only thing that I loved about my iPad was not the unit, but the Apple portfolio case. The motorola porfotlio case is just bulky, scratches the unit, and the latch is loose at best. I've found some nice leather cases online, but none that fold over and cover the screen. Yes, I have a screen protector. But, even those I can't find a good one with anti-glare.
4) eMail. I use exchange and apparently my work email is one of the ones that won't work on the xoom. I had to get Roadsync, which is okay, but I just prefer to use the default, integrated email/contacts/calendar programs. My EVO is perfect for this.
5) Widgets. Seriously, what's the deal with having cell phone sized widgets on a 10.1" screen. LauncherPro is nice, but still has custom icons like it's a phone, which I find to be in the way.
I know that most of these things seem small. But when you drop $800 on a device because you expect atleast the same functionality as your smaller cell phone, you come to have higher standards. I knew about Flash and the SD card issue going in, but the rest is bothersome. I know i'm an early adapter and with that comes quirks.
In any case, you all are 1000x smarter than me with this thing. I will take whatever advice you have.

1. Touchdown for tablets is great for email.
2. Some sites might not have updated their pages yet.
3. Apple always gets the third party love but more and more products are coming online everyday check Amazon
4. Being this is Google's flagship devise you have to believe this will be supported with updates and the file types should change

OK, first off, I agree with alot of what you have said, your right the software is a bit buggy at this time, again at this time. What you have to consider is that that this is an android device, and by that I mean it does not have all the overage that alot of companies put out on top of the overall software that make it look nice and neat, to include custom apps and infrastructure, but this also means that it is much easier to update. Half the time lost between when an actual Android update comes out and the time it takes for your device to get that update is due to all the crap that the company puts on top of the original Android infrastructure.
Give it a bit of time and I am sure that most of your problems can be worked out to you satisfaction due to them being software and not hardware problems.
Also take into account that since Motorola chose to use this clean interface it makes it much easier to modify by the hacking community , which is definitely something that an iPad cannot due.
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virgil1528 said:
1) The Tegra Processor. I read on here that the Tegra Processor is what is preventing the Xoom from playing my divx movies.
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Any CPU/GPU can play video so long as it supports the right codecs. Have you tried transcoding to a supported codec?

xlGmanlx said:
1. Touchdown for tablets is great for email.
2. Some sites might not have updated their pages yet.
3. Apple always gets the third party love but more and more products are coming online everyday check Amazon
4. Being this is Google's flagship devise you have to believe this will be supported with updates and the file types should change
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Well said.
+1 for Touchdown. It is fantastic for exchange, I use it on both my Evo and Xoom.
If this wasn't a Google Experience device, I'd say your complaints would carry more weight.
However, Google has always done a good job of keeping their GE devices updated and at the forefront.
This device only just came out, I'm fairly sure they will get things handled fairly quickly.
As far as the apps/widgets go. This is still a new device and platform. All android tablets are going to suffer from the same right now. However...again... this issue is largely due to the limited time the device/platform has been available. Within a few weeks...I'm sure we'll see a lot more apps/widgets (even the ipad had limited selection out right). Just think of what it'll be like in a couple of weeks/months with more custom apps/roms/kernels etc...
I had buyers remorse for the first evening...not for any particular reason...and now I can't put it down. Not to mention my wife (who has an iPad), won't shut-up about when she is getting her Xoom
So I would say hang on to it, but that's just me. Do what makes you happy

I've come to the decision that I'll be taking mine back on the 13th day.
I've tried to really give it love and get use out of it, but tablets just don't really fill any niche except "web browsing on the couch".
I'm a sysadmin by day, and although I've carried the Xoom with me every time I step away from my desk, it just hasn't served a single purpose on the job. I had imagined it would be neat to dial into servers using RDP, but the interface is just horrible. I'm much better off just dialing into the server in question at any desk I'm in front of. I'm never more than 8-12 feet from a desktop machine, so there goes that.
Pulse news reader is basically the killer app, but is hardly worth 1000 (799 + tax + extra charger + 129 protection plan against drops for 1yr + case).
Motorola certainly hasn't won me over on the price especially considering I prepaid for it on the first day I could (at two different best buys just to cover bases), and then people who *DIDN'T* do that had a chance at 200 dollars off that was honored in the end. Ridiculous.
I had intended to pick up android development for tablets eventually, but I can hold off and stick with honing my Python until these come way down in price or offer some more functionality.

That's too bad, this has taken over as my laptop and let's me have a mobile office so to speak

For RDP I use Remote RDP light and it works credibly, but if your looking for true RDP functionality then you have to have a mouse and keyboard, and guess what, you bought a tablet with a touch screen interface, you can buy a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse if you want, but that just means more devices to carry around. A tablet, any tablet, will not be the proper interface for RDP, it can't, it is not a PC with all the perifials. A tablet, as far as RDP is concerned, is a device to do what you have to do when a PC is not around and a cell phone is impractical. As a network administrator I can do some of the emergency things that I need to accomplish while out on the town with my tablet, reading a book, surfing the web, commenting on a blog, watching a movie, all without lugging a laptop.
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Yeah, unless you wanted to leave the mouse and just use the tablet as a touch screen with a keyboard your better off with a laptop. But like you said in a pinch its tough too beat
richardjr said:
For RDP I use Remote RDP light and it works credibly, but if your looking for true RDP functionality then you have to have a mouse and keyboard, and guess what, you bought a tablet with a touch screen interface, you can buy a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse if you want, but that just means more devices to carry around. A tablet, any tablet, will not be the proper interface for RDP, it can't, it is not a PC with all the perifials. A tablet, as far as RDP is concerned, is a device to do what you have to do when a PC is not around and a cell phone is impractical. As a network administrator I can do some of the emergency things that I need to accomplish while out on the town with my tablet, reading a book, surfing the web, commenting on a blog, watching a movie, all without lugging a laptop.
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Keep the tab. U will love it in 6 months when everything is revamped
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Usmc7356 said:
Keep the tab. U will love it in 6 months when everything is revamped
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I don't imagine I'll walk away and never look back, but now I know what they're good for (and not good for) and when the price wars drive these down to 400ish I'll scoop one up again. : /

Not all tablets are create equal, and sometimes it takes having one first hand to validate all the information out there and how it applies to your situation
ixobelle said:
I don't imagine I'll walk away and never look back, but now I know what they're good for (and not good for) and when the price wars drive these down to 400ish I'll scoop one up again. : /
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Return your Xoom and buy it in 6 months for cheaper price
Or probably there will be a new kind of better Honeycomb tablet at that time.
Usmc7356 said:
Keep the tab. U will love it in 6 months when everything is revamped
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codeman05 said:
Well said.
+1 for Touchdown. It is fantastic for exchange, I use it on both my Evo and Xoom.
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I downloaded the free version of Touchdown this morning after reading this thread. Could you explain to me why it is so great? I haven't had time to use it extensively but maybe you can quickly list some advantages over the stock mail client?
Thanks!

I understand your frustration and you ultimately need to do what makes you feel most comfortable. Most of your issues are software related and you know things can only get better with updates. Google has a lot riding on Honeycomb so I expect updates to come fast and often.
1) The Tegra Processor - Seems like your issue is not with the Tegra but with how the codecs handle Divx. Software update could fix this but also developers can do wonders.
2) The Browser - Software update again. The browser is a great starting point and, with some minor tweaks, will be fantastic.
3) Accessories - As more Xooms sell, more 3rd parties will have a business case to make accessories for it. I'm thinking that when the Xoom wifi and Xoom for Europe are released (indications say that will happen at the same time) then we'll see a flood of new 3rd party goodies.
4) eMail - Software update. ALTHOUGH, I'm not 100% sure this is a priority for Google. People complain that they wish the AOSP phones went a step further with their Exchange implementations. Still, the chances are you'll be ok moving forward.
5) Widgets - This is a microcosm of the entire app market right now for Honeycomb. Devs need to start updating their apps with Tablets in mind. Again, more people owning Honeycomb, more reasons for devs to get on it.
The point I'm trying to make is the only way for the Xoom to go is up. As more people buy, more attention the aftermarket will pay to it. If previous Android versions are any indication (and they are,) this is a snowball effect. It'll just get bigger and bigger.

As to the RDP: I use the XtraLogic Remote Desktop app and it works wonderfully, completed designed around the touch interface.
Between Remote Desktop and ConnectBot, I've found a million uses for this as a sysadmin. I don't know how you haven't found a single use for it.

Productivity - Word processor etc.

Hello Xoom owners,
I have been closely following the progress of the Xoom and am excited with what I'm seeing. I plan on purchasing the Wifi version when it releases in April. The reason I am interested in the Xoom is the productivity aspect of it, i.e. typing and web browsing. I'm not too worried about video playback or apps right now. My question to you is, how proficient is the Xoom in these categories? I need this tablet to be as much of a standalone device as it can be (unlike another tablet that needs to be plugged into itunes). I am happy to see usb mounting because this will help file transferring even more. I used pages on the ipad and was moderately impressed. Any opinions? How does the Xoom match up to the ipad in writing and the web?
Thanks in advance!
Sent from my Epic 4G

same concern
i hav same concern, i guess xoom is much better than ipad2 coz of productivity, right now i dont care about apps. i want to browse faster...is it the ultimate machine to browse ??? one more thing can i use netflix thru browser
thankx

freddyraptor22 said:
i hav same concern, i guess xoom is much better than ipad2 coz of productivity, right now i dont care about apps. i want to browse faster...is it the ultimate machine to browse ??? one more thing can i use netflix thru browser
thankx
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The Xoom has zzero productivity apps, no word processor no excel. Honeycomb will Bea great os once they get rid of the lag, until that point apple really does win because it just works. Now i have a Xoom and the I pad 2, I love them both and trying to pick which one to return is ggoing to br vvery hard.

mchimney said:
The Xoom has zzero productivity apps, no word processor no excel. Honeycomb will Bea great os once they get rid of the lag, until that point apple really does win because it just works. Now i have a Xoom and the I pad 2, I love them both and trying to pick which one to return is ggoing to br vvery hard.
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Documents to Go is available on android and iOS platform. What makes you claim that Xoom has zero productivity apps?

I have Documents to Go and although it's not optimized for Honeycomb, I haven't had any problems with it. I'm looking forward to a tablet version but for now I don't have any complaints.
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What about Google Docs? Is the standard html5 interface accessible?

I also use documents to go on the XOOM. No problems at all making word and excel docs. It also does power point, but i don't.

mchimney said:
The Xoom has zzero productivity apps, no word processor no excel. Honeycomb will Bea great os once they get rid of the lag, until that point apple really does win because it just works. Now i have a Xoom and the I pad 2, I love them both and trying to pick which one to return is ggoing to br vvery hard.
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If it is just for the "I need a word processor NOW" effect then go with the iPad. From what I've heard the Pages, Numbers, and Keynote apps are pretty sweet. If you want a great overall experience of a real OS, however, you should stick with the Xoom. I love how I can play around with it. And since I have no urgent need to write a lot or crunch numbers on the Xoom (that's what I have my laptop for for now) I will wait until something really effective comes out. For now I'm stuck with the Documents To Go which is very basic but at least I can open and view documents decently. Yes, it's the paid version.

bwcorvus said:
I also use documents to go on the XOOM. No problems at all making word and excel docs. It also does power point, but i don't.
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HAHA! I would say what you get from D2G in regards to PowerPoint is more comparable to a very pathetic "PDF" version of a .ppt(x) file. No animations, picture effects are messed up, etc. BUT, if you have plain and simple presentations you can view them OK.

Shadomastr said:
Hello Xoom owners,
I have been closely following the progress of the Xoom and am excited with what I'm seeing. I plan on purchasing the Wifi version when it releases in April. The reason I am interested in the Xoom is the productivity aspect of it, i.e. typing and web browsing. I'm not too worried about video playback or apps right now. My question to you is, how proficient is the Xoom in these categories? I need this tablet to be as much of a standalone device as it can be (unlike another tablet that needs to be plugged into itunes). I am happy to see usb mounting because this will help file transferring even more. I used pages on the ipad and was moderately impressed. Any opinions? How does the Xoom match up to the ipad in writing and the web?
Thanks in advance!
Sent from my Epic 4G
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It doesnt match up at all. You just have to be patient, or go with the ipad. I chose the latter, but I'm impatient.

freddyraptor22 said:
i hav same concern, i guess xoom is much better than ipad2 coz of productivity, right now i dont care about apps. i want to browse faster...is it the ultimate machine to browse ??? one more thing can i use netflix thru browser
thankx
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No netflix thru the browser because Netflix uses silverlight which has no android port.

I have no problem waiting for the word processing to get better on the xoom. I'm not planning on writing papers on this thing, maybe just rough drafts but it needs to have something. Probably going with the xoom, just having second thoughts after seeing the ipad 2.
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docs.google.com works for me. i'm not doing anything with word docs and excel docs that cause any problems. i rely on docs.google.com for my cr-48 too. or at least i did. since the xoom arrived the cr-48 isn't getting much lovin'.

Okay i e-mail quickoffice to see if they're offering a honeycomb version of their suite
they made a tablet version specifically for notion ink adam as shown here:
so here what they said
"Hi Kam,
Quickoffice is indeed available on the Motorola XOOM. The app ships preinstalled on the device, and is currently available in view-only mode. Quickoffice for Honeycomb will be available soon, offering editing functionality as well. Please stay tuned!
Best,
Katelyn
Katelyn Perkins
LEWIS PR – Global Communications "

slshults said:
docs.google.com works for me. i'm not doing anything with word docs and excel docs that cause any problems. i rely on docs.google.com for my cr-48 too. or at least i did. since the xoom arrived the cr-48 isn't getting much lovin'.
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ill take it haha

my Android SDK 3.0 lets me access GoogleDocs, just like the browser

Iconia A500 Vs Ipad (Fun, Joke, Cartoon)

From Thailand, some little cartoon.
What happen when you just buy a brand new external HDD and you own a tablet...
here the daylife of one Ipad User and one Acer A500 User.
Enjoy
No translation now, but if requested I will translate.
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=htt...ent/uploads/2011/06/Final-Cartoon.jpg&h=d7593
Translation :
ACER --- 1. got the Korea's series from my friend
IPAD 1. got the Korea's series from my friend
ACER --- 2. plug the USB and loading movies into Iconia tab.
IPAD --- 2. find the slot to plug the USB for loading movies.
ACER --- 3. la la la ...~ lie to a bed so happy
IPAD --- 3. Umm... if must be to use computer must will use i-tune.
ACER --- 4. 555 series're so funny.
IPAD --- 4. (in figure..."after 15 minutes") Download i-tune before. - -"
ACER --- 5. eiei (^_^)
IPAD --- 5. -_-" why don't be install ? must be convert file to mp4 before.
ACER --- 6. Today is ok, going to sleep.
IPAD --- 6. going to convert the series before ... and wait...
ACER --- 7. will going to copy file to HD before to get the series back to my friend.
IPAD --- 7. (in figure..."1 chapter uses time 30 minutes and 10 chapter uses time 300 minutes !!!) going to convert the files to i-tune .... and wait
ACER --- 8. have a slot to plug the SD Card... chill chill ~
IPAD --- 8. Zzzzzzz sleeppp Zzzzzzzzzzz
ACER --- 9. and sleep Zzz
IPAD --- 9. it's end and going transfer series to ipad.
ACER --- 10. Zzzzzzzz
IPAD --- 10. Full memory !!!
Translation will be done asap. be patient.
Notice that อิอิ and 555 mean simply LOL

Apple products are a joke. They're a NO to everything.
No bluetooth
No file manager
No widgets
No memory...

Bec07 said:
Apple products are a joke. They're a NO to everything.
No bluetooth
No file manager
No widgets
No memory...
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Not that I disagree, but the iPads, iPhone, and last two Touches have bluetooth. They all have memory as well, just no way to expand it.

Yes but you can't send files or contacts unless you jailbreak and pay for fancy apps.
Why don't they send it out without a sound driver so we have to jailbreak and pay for it too?

4dthinker said:
Not that I disagree, but the iPads, iPhone, and last two Touches have bluetooth. They all have memory as well, just no way to expand it.
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did they make people pay for a os update to use the hardware alresdy in the phone too
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I know it's fun to bash Apple but tbh, I think the iPad iOS is far superior to HC.
The tablet experience even on the original iPad is sooo much nicer.
Why do u have an Acer tablet I hear u ask. Cos I have a weird requirement in that I want to have mouse support for RDP.
Tbh, if Apple ever gave the iPad proper mouse support (without jailbreaking), there's no way I'd use HC it's so buggy. They never will tho.
Can't send files to it? Pretty much every single half decent app has a multitude of ways to send over files to it.
For example, Goodreader can use GDocs, Dropbox, other file repositories, wifi, ftp.... you just type the IP into your browser, select your file and press upload.
Even on my Acer, I use that kind of facility if I am in a wifi zone cos it's faster than using memory stick.
Not quite sure why people are talking about paying for iOS updates. Haven't had to pay for a single update since iPads came out.
My point is, don't be critical about iOS/iPad when HC is so buggy that it's laughable. I'm sure some of you will say, but HC has only been out 6 months... but what's that go to do with the price of fish?
I also wonder if we'll be able to upgrade to Ice Cream Sandwich when that comes out (which I'm guessing is what HC should have been if Google hadn't rushed it).
Don't get me wrong, I'm a Google fanboy. I got rid of MS Exchange at work and implemented Google Apps 2.5 years ago and never looked back.
But to say that HC is as slick as iOS.... not even close.

please stay on the humor tone
do not start an iWar

+ 1 for translation please.

MrBoingy said:
blah blah blah
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There's no proper way to send files to it. I come from the dial-up age and although you might not realize it wi-fi and 3G isn't everywhere and it always costs money.
For people who do get out much (eg. photographers) Bluetooth, SD cards and USB ports are essential.
For office rats and students they also matter. Don't know ab your teachers but mine were always reluctant to share emails and phone no's. We always got the learning materials via USB sticks.
Also when having bluetooth, why upload and wait for the other lamer to download? Ever heard of streaming?
Then there's smoothness: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn3duaQhIOA
See, I don't need an app for that, there's already a cool widget, so no, dragging around a few desktops that work and fell like windows 95 is not smooth for me.
It was ok 15years ago and with a keyboads. On a tablet I need more.

Translation first post.
Stay on the "fun" not on the "flame"

sanaell said:
Stay on the "fun" not on the "flame"
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Don't you think the comic itself is "flaming", too ?
One could create a comic where the iPad wins all over the Iconia.
Still nice to see a comic about tablets, thanks for sharing and translating!
edit: regarding the flames in a joke thread: i am so waiting for the day when people will finally realize that no product is perfect and everything has its pro's and contra's, depending on the user's needs.
not sure i will live that long

MrBoingy said:
I know it's fun to bash Apple but tbh, I think the iPad iOS is far superior to HC.
The tablet experience even on the original iPad is sooo much nicer.
Why do u have an Acer tablet I hear u ask. Cos I have a weird requirement in that I want to have mouse support for RDP.
Tbh, if Apple ever gave the iPad proper mouse support (without jailbreaking), there's no way I'd use HC it's so buggy. They never will tho.
Can't send files to it? Pretty much every single half decent app has a multitude of ways to send over files to it.
For example, Goodreader can use GDocs, Dropbox, other file repositories, wifi, ftp.... you just type the IP into your browser, select your file and press upload.
Even on my Acer, I use that kind of facility if I am in a wifi zone cos it's faster than using memory stick.
Not quite sure why people are talking about paying for iOS updates. Haven't had to pay for a single update since iPads came out.
My point is, don't be critical about iOS/iPad when HC is so buggy that it's laughable. I'm sure some of you will say, but HC has only been out 6 months... but what's that go to do with the price of fish?
I also wonder if we'll be able to upgrade to Ice Cream Sandwich when that comes out (which I'm guessing is what HC should have been if Google hadn't rushed it).
Don't get me wrong, I'm a Google fanboy. I got rid of MS Exchange at work and implemented Google Apps 2.5 years ago and never looked back.
But to say that HC is as slick as iOS.... not even close.
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i just dont like apple products due to their fan base, see they join forums deciated for another product and tell them that the product they like is bad and udderly useless.
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see the slight difference between humor and flame is not given to everyone.
sometimes making fun of someone seems to be sooooooo baddddd...
well.
and sure someone could make something reversing the situation and I will laugh same.
I do like when "comparison" occur with real life situation it's more funny than reading
"my device is the best, yours is a ****"
Note: and this cartoon has been published by ACER Thailand themselves...

Advantages of Kindle Fire over the HTC Evo View?

HTC Evo View is available for $220, so for $20 extra, you get:
Standard Android OS, and Snapdragon (vs. forked Android and custom PowerVR) for far greater compatibility with apps in Market
GPS, Bluetooth, microphone, camera, hardware buttons
32GB internal storage with microSD expansion
As well as other optional features (use of Sprint's network for 4G, digitizer pen for note taking), but you do lose out on:
Dual core processor (it's single core, but clocked at 1.5GHz vs. 1.0GHz)*
Simplistic, intuitive, design of the GUI (more of an opinion)
Access of direct Prime content, and access to borrowing books from Amazon
I'm leaning more towards the HTC Evo View, and returning this device >.>. Are there reasons not to?
*I don't know if you can compare clock speed directly with different architectures (Snapdragon vs. PowerVR), so take that clockspeed comparison with a grain of salt.

I have both and the View destroys the Fire. I haven't used the Fire in a week now since getting my view. HTC Sense makes a world of difference on this thing, its really nice. Don't discount the cpu either just because it is single core, it is really fast.
If you havea choice, get the View.

I have the Flyer (basically wifi only version of View) and a Fire. The only advantage of a the Fire over the View, in my opinion, is the Amazon video app. I put the amazon app on my Flyer and video stutters. However, I can watch Amazon video in Dolphin browser.
Also, not a lot of development on View at this time (more dev on Flyer). With low prices on View, more devs may get involved. I'm not a dev, but I ordered a View yesterday and will probably keep my Flyer as a backup.
If I had to choose between Fire and View, I would get the View.

The Flyer's bootloader can be unlocked; the View can't.
http://htcdev.com/bootloader (click on Supported Devices List)

Revolutionary supports HTC View (express) 1.09.0000 and 1.13.0000

I thought the HTC Evo View was discontinued.

krelvinaz said:
I thought the HTC Evo View was discontinued.
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Do believe that is why it is so cheap.

I just bought the view. For the price point right now I think its a good way to go. I have played with my fathers fire and Im glad I chose the view. We bought a couple more view over the fire for both of my sister's christmas gifts. I can't seem to get Amazon instant video to play through the browser though. It looks like it buffers the fails. Any thoughts? (post written from my view.)

sleepycharlie said:
I just bought the view. For the price point right now I think its a good way to go. I have played with my fathers fire and Im glad I chose the view. We bought a couple more view over the fire for both of my sister's christmas gifts. I can't seem to get Amazon instant video to play through the browser though. It looks like it buffers the fails. Any thoughts? (post written from my view.)
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Amazon instant video works best for me using dolphin hd browser on my Flyer.

sleepycharlie said:
I just bought the view. For the price point right now I think its a good way to go. I have played with my fathers fire and Im glad I chose the view. We bought a couple more view over the fire for both of my sister's christmas gifts. I can't seem to get Amazon instant video to play through the browser though. It looks like it buffers the fails. Any thoughts? (post written from my view.)
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Interesting comparison. Couple of questions:
1. How's Bens Outlet? Reputable?
2. Will View be able to be upgraded to ICS?
Right now I have KF and while I like it, the lack of physical buttons and memory are not great. I think that ICS will fix button issue, but memory is still a concern long term. If upgrade path to ICS on View is feasible, I would consider it.
Thanks.

KF owner right now but thinking of getting one after Christmas to see it goes down to $200. I think the Evo View is a better deal. GPS, Cameras, far more memory, and Honeycomb on it's way (hopefully), plus the optional 4G is much more for only $20 and if you wait it may go down to $200. either way, Evo View sounds better.

i don't know, i'd still get the kindle fire just because it's going to get a lot more developer support.
the view is discontinued and it's single cored, i'm not sure on the dev-scene for it but i know it has honeycomb ports.
EDIT: not ports, i mean actual leaked builds of honeycomb from HTC
but a lot of people are working on ICS for the fire which is going to be awesome.
however, the view has the pen feature so if youre going to do a lot of writing you should get that. but also HTC sense tends to slow down and youre going to be on a single core as well so it really depends what you're going to do with it.
i'd still just get the kindle fire.

Htc slashed prices for Flyer in India to a lot less and even I was in dilemma to whether go for it or buy fire which I had to get shipped from US.
But with all the development here and seeing Fire is a new device with dual core processor, I bought Fire. Still to get it though, one more week.

e.mote said:
The Flyer's bootloader can be unlocked; the View can't.
http://htcdev.com/bootloader (click on Supported Devices List)
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It may not be officially supported but it's possible with Revolutionary. I literally just did mine like 10 minutes ago.
Basically development & some of the Amazon features are the only real advantages to the Kindle Fire, IMO.
I've played with the KF a few times & it seemed pretty good aside from the lack of buttons. I kept finding myself 'stuck' with no visible way to get back to the main menu. I was still ready to buy one until I found out it has no bluetooth & no sd slot. Those are dealbreakers for me. I shopped around more & decided on the Flyer but everywhere was sold out of that. I finally ended up with the View today & after having played with it all day, I definitely made the right choice. You just get so much more with the View. The KF is still more ereader than tablet, despite how they market it. The only things I don't like about the View are Sense(the first thing I installed was ADW), lack of a camera flash, Sprint's craptastic 3g, longish boot times, and the lack of a search button. All pretty minor things, IMO, when you look at everything else it offers. I was initially concerned about it being only a single core, but it is 1.5ghz & it's plenty fast. Easily one of the zippiest tablets I've ever used. Lack of development is a bit of a downer, but I'm happy with just being rooted.
And the pen just rocks. It may be a gimmick, but I love it. I use it all the time

esoh said:
Interesting comparison. Couple of questions:
1. How's Bens Outlet? Reputable?
2. Will View be able to be upgraded to ICS?
Right now I have KF and while I like it, the lack of physical buttons and memory are not great. I think that ICS will fix button issue, but memory is still a concern long term. If upgrade path to ICS on View is feasible, I would consider it.
Thanks.
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1. Don't know, but they take paypal, so I should be protected.
2. I doubt it will get official ICS, maybe from dev community, but I wouldn't count on it.

Where are you guys getting the info that the View and Flyer is discontinued? It's still on HTC's main site (as their only 7" tablet), and Google search shows that tis only a rumor, based off of Best Buy not listing it on their site anymore.
HTC did promise Honeycomb on the View/Flyer, and ICS for HTC Evo series of phones; maybe HTC Evo View might be included in the latter.

Other that a few video apps pretty much nothing takes advantage of dual core processors on Android. The View (and Flyer) are noticeably faster than my Fire. The screen isn't as nice but it's still a good screen not one of those cheaper ones that only look good from one location. Add in 4x the memory, a GPS, SDHC card slot, real buttons and so on. If you want a great ereader that can play some games and run some apps get the Fire. If you want an Android tablet get the View or even the Flyer.
Sent from my HTC Flyer P512 using Tapatalk

Damn I wish. I could have found that deal. Lol I would have bought that instead of Amazon Fire.
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amrn4s said:
Damn I wish. I could have found that deal. Lol I would have bought that instead of Amazon Fire.
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You can still return the Amazon Fire for full price (minus shipping*) 'till January 31st 2012.
I plan to, after my View comes in the mail.
*Buyer's remorse is covered at 100% minus shipping; you could lie and brick the device and say its broken for 100% recovery (including recovery shipping), if you so desire .

butterflygirl said:
Amazon instant video works best for me using dolphin hd browser on my Flyer.
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Thanks! That's a cool browser and I'll probably continue to use it. However I still can't get Amazon instant video to play through either Dolphin or the stock browser on my view at the moment. I'm surprised there isn't an app for it yet. Anyone else able to play Amazon instant video on the HTC evo view?
Also I was under the impression there was a micro hdmi out when I bought this but no big deal for me. Has everything else!