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what's this about?
I don't get it...

bewA said:
what's this about?
I don't get it...
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Everyones moaning and crying about the nexus one being outdated by newer phones such as the incredible and the evo but technically they're all outdated since the htc scorpion is going to be "whats hot". Its really annoying how some of these people are so concerned about being outdated. Appreciate what you have and make the best out of it.

I think
The nexus is still the top phone, which is why I ordered one yesterday even with all the new phones out, this is my reasoning.
Even with a1.5 processor, our nexus can be clocked to a stable 1.2 at least, and with that speed I font believe a phone actually Needs more because my nexus already flys.
That's just my input on this outdated deal.

sassyness77 said:
... I font believe ...
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You're using Swype, aren't you?

sassyness77 said:
The nexus is still the top phone, which is why I ordered one yesterday even with all the new phones out, this is my reasoning.
Even with a1.5 processor, our nexus can be clocked to a stable 1.2 at least, and with that speed I font believe a phone actually Needs more because my nexus already flys.
That's just my input on this outdated deal.
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If you always MUST live on the "Bleeding Edge" with the best of everything, you will run out of blood and run out of money.
The way I see it, living always on the newest hottest thing out there are for the people with more money than brains.
Yes, I have a Nexus One, I bought it BRAND NEW, but my total out of pocket expense was $140.00, because I sold or traded stuff I had, but stuff I could sell to get the money I needed to get this phone.
So it would not be worth it for me to try and get the next new hot thing out there because I love my N1 and would be hard pressed to see something pass this one up.
I have played with TONS of new android phones that are not out yet (MyTouch Slide, what a joke) and NONE of them are anything that even gave me a slight twinge of wanting to jump off the N1 scene.

these threads are lame... and obviously started by people who don't even own a nexus one.

TotaL BS News...
From a Nexus owner perspective the future is not about slightly better hardware, but about adding real value to the OS.
As far as my Nexus will be updated to any future Android releases I´ll have the better phone out there...others will always have to wait for Google´s compasion.

cheddie said:
Everyones moaning and crying about the nexus one being outdated by newer phones such as the incredible and the evo but technically they're all outdated since the htc scorpion is going to be "whats hot". Its really annoying how some of these people are so concerned about being outdated. Appreciate what you have and make the best out of it.
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Well put, exactly what I mean
sassyness77 said:
The nexus is still the top phone, which is why I ordered one yesterday even with all the new phones out, this is my reasoning.
Even with a1.5 processor, our nexus can be clocked to a stable 1.2 at least, and with that speed I font believe a phone actually Needs more because my nexus already flys.
That's just my input on this outdated deal.
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If that’s what turns you on then fair enough. I maintain the best reason to get a Nexus One (if you accept you eventually have to plump for some phone instead of holding out forever) is that if Google does something cool it’ll pretty much definitely come to us first. And more than likely before everyone else.
But that’s just me, I’m more of a software fan.
antoniouslj said:
these threads are lame... and obviously started by people who don't even own a nexus one.
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If you are referring to me and this thread, you’ve not read it properly. Please see above.
If you are referring to people I criticised in my original post, then I think they probably do own a Nexus One, and become incredibly defensive about it. The people that don’t own one tend to just post saying how they are not going to get one and then their reasons. You can tell because the whole post usually smacks of someone trying to convince themselves of something.

I thought the Scorpion was rumored to be a tablet anyway.

BigDamHero said:
And yes for everyone debating if the Incredible or the Evo mean the Nexus is outdated you can all relax.
Because they are out of date now too – search for HTC Scorpion.
.... which I expect to also be superseded around about tea time.
It’s a point that’s been made in other threads – but you CANNOT keep up with new tech (especially phones). You’ll end up financially ruined if you try. So we can all stop going on about it now and just enjoy our Nexus Ones?
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Link?
Specs?
Any info at all whatsoever?
So does this phone make the Nexus One obsolete simply because of its name?
Lol?
How about providing some real information? Or is this just a troll thread?

Paul22000 said:
So does this phone make the Nexus One obsolete simply because of its name?
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Jesus.... Christ.
That's like the complete opposite of what I said. Please re-read my original post and follow up posts.

BigDamHero said:
Jesus.... Christ.
That's like the complete opposite of what I said. Please re-read my original post.
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I read your post. You said the Evo and the Incredible are out of date because of the Scorpion, without giving any reason why.

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bewA said:
what's this about?
I don't get it...
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antoniouslj said:
these threads are lame... and obviously started by people who don't even own a nexus one.
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I too don't have any idea whats the purpose of this thread...

Paul22000 said:
I read your post. You said the Evo and the Incredible are out of date because of the Scorpion, without giving any reason why.
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You said I said the Nexus One was obsolete, watch I’ll quote you again…
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So does this phone make the Nexus One obsolete simply because of its name?
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I said almost the polar opposite.
Anyway the HTC Scorpion, IF all the rumours are true will have a faster processor (1.5Ghz). Just search the name for references (as I said in my original post). Given how people are positively suicidal over a slightly better camera on the Incredible, I imagine this will not go down well. Its only a few rumours at the moment.
What I’m basically saying is the N1 is amazing and in no way obsolete just because something newer is out. There ALWAYS will be. So lets not live and die over newer phones that are going to come anyway. Thread after thread of it. Lets just bask in the glory that is the N1. Again I say see my previous posts.
I’m not trying to troll, just posting my viewpoint. What’s disturbing is you are potentially the second person to accuse me of exactly what I am criticising.

faraz1992 said:
I too don't have any idea whats the purpose of this thread...
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Epic sigh..
Right fine. No-one is reading, just posting. Pointless.
Mods please close / delete the thread? Or if someone would be kind enough to let me know how if I can close it myself?
Thanks
Bye

This whole thread is dumb; even with the Scorpion coming out HTC is working something to make the scorpion obsolete. Being obsolete doesn't make our Nexus any less awesome than it is.

Wow, they ALL totally missed your point. You were basically telling people to stop complaining about the Nexus One being obsolete. And they all jumped on you thinking you were the one complaining.

Clarkster said:
Wow, they ALL totally missed your point. You were basically telling people to stop complaining about the Nexus One being obsolete. And they all jumped on you thinking you were the one complaining.
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That's what I thought when I read through this whole thread or did I miss something? 0.o

Can it be..?

http://mobile.twitter.com/AndiTails/status/25228841952

Lies.
Eric Schmidt clearly and emphatically said no Nexus Two.
http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/07/05/eric-schmidt-sez-the-nexus-two-aint-happenin-kiddo/

Paul22000 said:
Lies.
Eric Schmidt clearly and emphatically said no Nexus Two.
http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/07/05/eric-schmidt-sez-the-nexus-two-aint-happenin-kiddo/
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True ... but might be they needed a better phone for Gingerbread.

Hopefully he's wrong. But if for whatever reason he's not, I would hope it wouldn't be a Samsung!

dharani1234 said:
True ... but might be they needed a better phone for Gingerbread.
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No, they didn't.

Paul22000 said:
Lies.
Eric Schmidt clearly and emphatically said no Nexus Two.
http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/07/05/eric-schmidt-sez-the-nexus-two-aint-happenin-kiddo/
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But before that Google said that more phones will come in future. I hope its true, would be great to see N2

If we do see a N2 I hope it is NOT a Samsung HTC has my heart

Hell, I'll believe it until it's proven wrong, regardless of what Eric Schmidt said.

I hope it is a Motorola (really, kickass quality for me) with 4,3 inches 1024x600 display, 1,5 ghz dual core tegra...enough? Ah 2-days-gaming capable battery life
Back to the real world...he's kidding
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Obviously a joke. As CEO of Google said no such device will occur.
And if you guys don't believe them, then you're being fools. They have seen the Android development explode since the N1. There is no need for another boost, as the N1 did. It's all in secession now..

Damn. I just can't seem to part with my nexus. Nothing compares to it IMHO. Sigh maybe one day someone will make something similar.

If so, then it better be HTC for me!!

Wow F U samsung

assuming this is true
http://phandroid.com/2010/12/08/samsung-on-galaxy-s-gingerbread-possibility-maybe-but-maybe-not/
There standpoint on Gingerbread for their flagship phone, basically a big F U to their customers
“Such a review will be based on various factors including, without limitation, the overall effect of such Update to Samsung products, the system requirements, the structural limitations, and the level of cooperation from the component suppliers and the software licensors”.
“If Samsung decides to make the Update available to the users after such consideration, Samsung will use its efforts to develop such Update, which may be released to the users upon successful completion of such development”.
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are you kidding me..its the same damn device (EDIT: as in the other galaxy s phones)

bobdude5 said:
assuming this is true
http://phandroid.com/2010/12/08/samsung-on-galaxy-s-gingerbread-possibility-maybe-but-maybe-not/
There standpoint on Gingerbread for their flagship phone, basically a big F U to their customers
are you kidding me..its the same damn devices
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While I am not siding with them - they really aren't the same devices. If they were we could easily port vibrant and captivate roms. There is clearly work that has to go into each variant of the SGS line. It would probably make the LEAST amount of sense for the Epic to not get 2.3 officially. Primarily because of its 4g Radio and Front Cam - features that the others lack- even though our device is probably the most complicated to get working right.

Kcarpenter said:
While I am not siding with them - they really aren't the same devices. If they were we could easily port vibrant and captivate roms. There is clearly work that has to go into each variant of the SGS line. It would probably make the LEAST amount of sense for the Epic to not get 2.3 officially. Primarily because of its 4g Radio and Front Cam - features that the others lack- even though our device is probably the most complicated to get working right.
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Dont forget landscape mode for the keyboard, led light too....
Well oh well eventually we will get gingerbread on our devices and if not im sure ill have a new phone next year anyway so froyo will hold me over til then...

In my opinion this is a conflicting report with what that one leak tweeter/w/e he was said. Samsung didn't say no, they basically said "Um, well, uh maybe?" so it has, at least in mind, just as little credibility as some guy saying we were getting it. Just have to wait and see.

This will help....
http://www.androidcentral.com/will-my-phone-get-gingerbread
this is conflicting
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spdwiz18 said:
This will help....
http://www.androidcentral.com/will-my-phone-get-gingerbread
this is conflicting
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Here we go with the rumors just like the date of the release of the epic....

davidrules7778 said:
Here we go with the rumors just like the date of the release of the epic....
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i agree it all is still rumor, but it doesnt hurt to have some hope...
merry christmas

spdwiz18 said:
i agree it all is still rumor, but it doesnt hurt to have some hope...
merry christmas
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Having hope means you can either be:
Hope for X
1) Let down horribly - No X
or
2) Content - X
Having no hope means you can be:
1) Pleasantly surprised - X
or
2) Content - No X
Hope is stupid. Its math.

http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kern...ng.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/2.6.35-samsung
samsung already created a gingerbread kernel 2.6.35...

muyoso said:
Having hope means you can either be:
Hope for X
1) Let down horribly - No X
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2) Content - X
Having no hope means you can be:
1) Pleasantly surprised - X
or
2) Content - No X
Hope is stupid. Its math.
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wow.... thats optimism for you...

noobnl said:
http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kern...ng.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/2.6.35-samsung
samsung already created a gingerbread kernel 2.6.35...
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Likely for the nexus s?
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Kcarpenter said:
While I am not siding with them - they really aren't the same devices. If they were we could easily port vibrant and captivate roms. There is clearly work that has to go into each variant of the SGS line. It would probably make the LEAST amount of sense for the Epic to not get 2.3 officially. Primarily because of its 4g Radio and Front Cam - features that the others lack- even though our device is probably the most complicated to get working right.
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But its not only our device. Theyre talking about their whole galaxy s line. Samsung says we will think about it, while htc says we're working on it.
I love my phone but damn you samsung. If only htc had super amoled screens, and put decent camera sensors in their phones..I'm really considering that HTC Knight

This may very well be the last straw that makes me sell my Epic. While I realize that Samsung doesn't owe me anything, until people quit buying their phones, they'll keep jerking us around. HTC, here I come.

live2ride96 said:
This may very well be the last straw that makes me sell my Epic. While I realize that Samsung doesn't owe me anything, until people quit buying their phones, they'll keep jerking us around. HTC, here I come.
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LOL. I thought it would at least be a few days after Froyo's release before we got these posts about Gingerbread.

live2ride96 said:
This may very well be the last straw that makes me sell my Epic. While I realize that Samsung doesn't owe me anything, until people quit buying their phones, they'll keep jerking us around. HTC, here I come.
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lol trading my epic for an evo this weekend!

I have 2 people wanting to trade their Evo for my epic. Samsung doesn't support their products as well as HTC, and it sucks. For some reason, I think they would rather put out new phones with Gingerbread and make you buy the, than give you an upgrade.

heathmcabee said:
For some reason, I think they would rather put out new phones with Gingerbread and make you buy the, than give you an upgrade.
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Uh, Let me take a wild guess. Could it be . . . . . . for PROFIT??

spdwiz18 said:
This will help....
http://www.androidcentral.com/will-my-phone-get-gingerbread
this is conflicting
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I like the confidence of this link
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ill never buy samsung again
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Yes, yes, for profit. We all get that they're in the business of selling phones, not giving free updates. That's why I read an interesting blog about paying for OS updates a little while back. I'd gladly pay a few bucks to get honeycomb or ice cream on a 6 month to year old phone and to have them out in a timely fashion. Then Samsung and all the other manufacturers would have an incentive to actually put out updates for phones as well.

Broke My Nexus S, going back to my N1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EZ1QLN_rPk

First I'd like to say... Pictures of the phone or it didn't happen.
Second.. why are you filming wrong.. I don't get that at all why people film like that.
Third, camera was still filming when it hit the ground
fourth, I hope you ***** slapped that guy who threw the ball and made him pay up

If he actually broke it he would be yelling ************ u broke my phone etc but that didn't happen
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Maybe some Gorilla Glass could have help?
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Didn't buy the insurance?

kobecamp2009 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EZ1QLN_rPk
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Your buddy is a douche bag, who the **** does that?

Take him to small claims. lol

kobecamp2009 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EZ1QLN_rPk
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Nexus one is better any way XD. I cant wait for HTC to make a N2

mikeacela said:
Nexus one is better any way XD. I cant wait for HTC to make a N2
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An N2? You must mean you can't wait for HTC to make another pure stock Android device with impressive specifications. It doesn't seem something such as the "Nexus Two" will ever exist.
Hypothetically speaking.. you could call the G2 the successor to the N1 in some ways. At least HTC's successor.

fake
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Eclair~ said:
An N2? You must mean you can't wait for HTC to make another pure stock Android device with impressive specifications. It doesn't seem something such as the "Nexus Two" will ever exist.
Hypothetically speaking.. you could call the G2 the successor to the N1 in some ways. At least HTC's successor.
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how do you mean??? Wasn't there "no successor" to the n1 already???
Ohhhhhhh, wait.... Then came the Nexus-S.....
I bet there IS a n2.... Just waiting to call it a n2 for the specs to be "worthy" of being called a n2.....

martin0285 said:
how do you mean??? Wasn't there "no successor" to the n1 already???
Ohhhhhhh, wait.... Then came the Nexus-S.....
I bet there IS a n2.... Just waiting to call it a n2 for the specs to be "worthy" of being called a n2.....
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eric schmidt said there wasnt going to be a nexus 2

Schmidt said nexus2 wouldnt be exist. So lets pray for a Nexus-HD by HTC

flybyme said:
eric schmidt said there wasnt going to be a nexus 2
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Do you guys not get it?
Eric said same thing after n1 .... As did Andy Rubin, Brian Swetland and many others.... The entire time, it was in development ...
They ain't going to say "hey here's our new nexus phone but we have a better one coming out soon".... Sometimes you techies need to think from business side....
Find some logic in your thoughts besides "well they said no n2" ....which is just rhetoric....
Wasn't there NEVER a n1 up until Jan 2010????
Pardon me while I say "p-p-p-pleeeease"...

mikeacela said:
... I cant wait for HTC to make a N2
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Same here.
I'm itching like a dirty crack whore just waiting for it LMAO
flybyme said:
eric schmidt said there wasnt going to be a nexus 2
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I bet they are lying.
Well, not lying, only Steve Jobs does that.
Eric and the Google Gang have to be a little misleading to get sales, I guess?
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... They ain't going to say "hey here's our new nexus phone but we have a better one coming out soon".... Sometimes you techies need to think from business side....
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Exactly what I was thinking.
There's always something bigger, better, faster, slimmer coming out.
I just pray that whatever comes next with the name NEXUS is something that shocks people. Like the Nexus One was the first to feature the Snapdragon processor.
The Nexus S didn't really bring anything new to the table. Other than the fancy curved screen and the NFC, that's it!
It's just a rebadged Galaxy

martin0285 said:
Do you guys not get it?
Eric said same thing after n1 .... As did Andy Rubin, Brian Swetland and many others.... The entire time, it was in development ...
They ain't going to say "hey here's our new nexus phone but we have a better one coming out soon".... Sometimes you techies need to think from business side....
Find some logic in your thoughts besides "well they said no n2" ....which is just rhetoric....
Wasn't there NEVER a n1 up until Jan 2010????
Pardon me while I say "p-p-p-pleeeease"...
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http://android4us.com/eric-schmidt-acknowledges-that-nexus-s-gingerbread-and-go-in-the-coming-weeks/
Asked about his comment that Google never the Nexus Two, Eric Schmidt joked that still correct, because the new phone will be called Nexus S(S was dyslexic, and 2).
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it was part of a joke idiot

flybyme said:
it was part of a joke idiot
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Not sure what the article proves.... But way to show your age with the flame war!! HAHA
Look, not going to argue with you about it... You clearly can not think out-side the box... Eric says this and you believe it... Let me just say AGAIN: 1) Nexus1 was denied until day of release 2) So was the NexusS 3) SO WONT THE NEXUS 2!!!! or 3.... Whatever you wanna call it....

martin0285 said:
Not sure what the article proves.... But way to show your age with the flame war!! HAHA
Look, not going to argue with you about it... You clearly can not think out-side the box... Eric says this and you believe it... Let me just say AGAIN: 1) Nexus1 was denied until day of release 2) So was the NexusS 3) SO WONT THE NEXUS 2!!!! or 3.... Whatever you wanna call it....
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i didnt say there wasnt going to be another nexus dumbass. lrn2read

Nexus Fight!

ROM_Guest said:
Nexus Fight!
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call me stupid, but i also believe in the nexus 2 theory
google asked samsung and htc to build them a developer device replacing nexus one, first to finish would get the deal
...samsung won the race two days later, when the google logos were dry enough on the galaxy s
htc are still developing theirs, it just won't be called nexus...

Updated: Official Release Date/Price!! Samsung Galaxy Note Announced for U.S.!!!!!

Release date confirmed for February 19th. AND official price will be $299.99 on contract. This is all from boy genius reports.
Wacom Technology used in the Galaxy Note Is very similar to the tech used in the popular Cintiq Interactive Display:
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International Version Review:
International Version Review by TheVerge.com

yea read that kinda sad though the galaxy nexus wasn't announced

CheesyNutz said:
yea read that kinda sad though the galaxy nexus wasn't announced
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Yeah, but then again its already on Verizon. I dont think they wanted to announce something thats already out. But man this Samsung Note is definitely my next phone, and if I can help it, Ill be waiting in line for this one!

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Yeah, but then again its already on Verizon. I dont think they wanted to announce something thats already out. But man this Samsung Note is definitely my next phone, and if I can help it, Ill be waiting in line for this one!
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hell sprint announced a 16 gig LTE Galaxy nexus :/ the 5.3 inch screen has me thinking lol

CheesyNutz said:
hell sprint announced a 16 gig LTE Galaxy nexus :/ the 5.3 inch screen has me thinking lol
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LOL! I know what you mean! I never really liked the form factor of any of the nexus series phones. But thats just me. I do however really LOOOOVE the design of the Galaxy S series ( captivate, infuse, sgs2 and Note) I already played with the Samsung media player at Best Buy which is exactly the same form factor as the Note with the exception of the pen, and immediately thought to myself, this can definitely work for me.
Im hoping the note is 199 on upgrade, and not 250 though!

Perfect, just in time for my upgrade.

Eh, I'll wait for something else or the SGSIII.
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tazbo28 said:
Just watching the Samsung CES Keynote live and they just announced it with LTE and a new s-pen with 256 levels of sensitivity. It'll have the same screen I believe, and its coming to ATT next year! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTT!!!!!
Live Video Coverage here!
http://ces.cnet.com/8301-33363_1-57354745/samsung-touts-even-smarter-tvs-live-blog/
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Really?? Next Year?.? Like 2013...?
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nice stuff

wait. wait. 2013?

ok i keep reading about all the phones that att and samsung are putting out but ...are they going to F%$^[email protected] have ice cream sandwich on them BI#$%S???????
and yes the note has caught my eye(lost one)ok not really..but i want a note i think!!

Well I learned my lesson from the infuse - my next phone will have the Android Os I want installed - I will not buy with the "hopes of" an OS carrier upgrade.

Optimus-Prime said:
wait. wait. 2013?
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That's my question too.. I will switch to Verizon before I have to wait a year for the Note. Can anyone confirm what the OP said about the Note being released Next Year???
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Next year that phone will be obsolete..

PHABLET!! LOL
http://news.softpedia.com/news/CES-2012-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-Goes-Official-at-AT-T-245399.shtml
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That's my question too.. I will switch to Verizon before I have to wait a year for the Note. Can anyone confirm what the OP said about the Note being released Next Year???
eveything i read says in the coming weeks..whatever the hell that means !!
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SGarnett said:
Well I learned my lesson from the infuse - my next phone will have the Android Os I want installed - I will not buy with the "hopes of" an OS carrier upgrade.
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i hear you ...im holding out for ICS!!! it says that the note comes w/2.3 and that it will be upgraded to ics in q1... FUNK THAT!!! i wont get it unless it has ics!!!!

SGarnett said:
Next year that phone will be obsolete..
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its gets ICS and is running a duel core 1.5 cpu see here
http://www.slashgear.com/att-samsung-galaxy-note-lte-hands-on-09207699/

CheesyNutz said:
its gets ICS and is running a duel core 1.5 cpu see here
http://www.slashgear.com/att-samsung-galaxy-note-lte-hands-on-09207699/
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I saw where they bumped up the processor speed but I saw no mention of ICS..

SGarnett said:
I saw where they bumped up the processor speed but I saw no mention of ICS..
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http://rootzwiki.com/_/articles/sam...st-ignores-google-update-alliance-pledge-r246
http://www.androidcentral.com/samsu...-s-ii-galaxy-note-galaxy-r-late-model-tablets
http://global.samsungtomorrow.com/?p=8894

CheesyNutz said:
http://rootzwiki.com/_/articles/sam...st-ignores-google-update-alliance-pledge-r246
http://www.androidcentral.com/samsu...-s-ii-galaxy-note-galaxy-r-late-model-tablets
http://global.samsungtomorrow.com/?p=8894
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Looks good on paper... lets hope they deliver this time..

SGarnett said:
Looks good on paper... lets hope they deliver this time..
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ohi fully agree and understand what your saying lol