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HEllo there,
I need to buy a new miniSD card for my P3600.
Therefore, I would like to know the bandwidth of the card reader of P3600, in order to choose wisely the best card for it.
If the badwidth is only 5MB/s, then it's not worthy to buy a card which is 80x...
Another question is: will I loose performance if I decide to go for a 4GB card?...I have this doubt because the bigger the card, bigger the mapping of it ...Therefore, more processing power is necessary...
I think is very usefull information for anybody that needs to buy a card for this device...and for that, all help would be much appreciated
Thank you
Probably you have heard all those SD file corruption stories, haven't you?
Nowadays memory cards are real damn cheap - even if it's 80x. But I guess you would want to find the most "compatible" card instead of finding the card with "just right speed".
It's almost for sure that the life span of your card will far exceed your device. The card can be reused - why not buy a better one, stability issues aside.
4GB cards usually come in the SDHC flavors - which doesn't always work as expected since Trinity only comes with partial SDHC support at best, not to mention the corruption bug.... Again you should worry more about compatibility than it's speed...
the program pocket mechanics let you benchmark and compare with other brands in other phones
with normal sd the pda is the bottleneck suspect the same goes for microSD
but read and write is never at the same speed for flash
and suspect the interface in the pda is able to write as fast as it can read of the card can keep up
ww2250 said:
Probably you have heard all those SD file corruption stories, haven't you?
Nowadays memory cards are real damn cheap - even if it's 80x. But I guess you would want to find the most "compatible" card instead of finding the card with "just right speed".
It's almost for sure that the life span of your card will far exceed your device. The card can be reused - why not buy a better one, stability issues aside.
4GB cards usually come in the SDHC flavors - which doesn't always work as expected since Trinity only comes with partial SDHC support at best, not to mention the corruption bug.... Again you should worry more about compatibility than it's speed...
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I don't remember of asking anything regarding compatibility...
My question was regarding the speed...and it still remains:
-Whats the speed of Trinity card reader bus?
-Will I loose performance with a 4GB card?
I already know about the compatibility issues...but if there's no performance issues with a 4GB card, I can buy one of each brand, and see which one is compatible...if any...
I don't think that my questions are stupid, but if you think so, then keeps the thoughts for yourself please.
Regards,
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I don't think that my questions are stupid, but if you think so, then keeps the thoughts for yourself please.
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I don't remember anyone ever said your questions are stupid, but if you think so, then read the whole thread again. Really, that would a disaster if we all follow your logic - anyone who did not reply or did not exactly reply what you ask for would think that your questions are stupid, then basically everyone in this forum would fall into this category.
We are trying to be nice in replying your question, knowing that you are relatively new to the forum, and pointing to you there might be potential problems that you want to avoid when making a purchase decision. At least, I think this is even a more valuable advice for those who want to buy new cards especially for beginners, than just considering alone the speed.
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I already know about the compatibility issues...but if there's no performance issues with a 4GB card, I can buy one of each brand, and see which one is compatible...if any...
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So now, we all know that you are not stupid nor asking stupid questions, then how about if you buy one of each speed, and do a benchmark yourself and then post the results back and share your precious experience with all others? It would be invaluable to your fellow readers especially for those who want to buy a new card.
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So now, we all know that you are not stupid nor asking stupid questions, then how about if you buy one of each speed, and do a benchmark yourself and then post the results back and share your precious experience with all others? It would be invaluable to your fellow readers especially for those who want to buy a new card.
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Answer my question, and who knows, I'll do it
Sorry about my rude answer...but it pisses me off, when a threads starts talking about oranges and finishes up talking about apples....
Any way...it seems like we are always changing roms, searching for the best performance, but at the end, we don't know the speed of the biggest bottleneck in the pda...
It's August...seems like all experts are in holidays
Anyone here that could give additional info?
schweet !
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/01/htc-hd3-to-be-named-hd7-in-honor-of-windows-phone-7-launch-octo/
Saw this earlier today. Now just throw a keyboard on it & i'm sold. I'll get it w/o the keyboard, but would prefer it.
I won't get a WP7 phone until it has MicroSDHC expansion, cut and paste and everything else they are too stupid to include in a first release.
Paten said:
I won't get a WP7 phone until it has MicroSDHC expansion, cut and paste and everything else they are too stupid to include in a first release.
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guess msdhc slot is not a priority for most people, even on xda-developers.....
look at how many people are set with WP7
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I won't get a WP7 phone until it has MicroSDHC expansion, cut and paste and everything else they are too stupid to include in a first release.
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M$ has used this sort of stupidity very well in its history to become the megacorporation they are. It's called planned obsolesence. Why give it to you free now, when they can charge you for it later?
Im really having a feeling that WP7 is going to drive the small yet strong community of WinMo users away from MS. Theyre pretty much driving away their enthusit community who wants something they can mod and hack over to android. Platform lock down is a reason i don't go apple, and MS doing the same now is going to drive me away.
We'll see to what extent WP7 is locked down or just plan sucks, but especially for me something like no SD card sucks big time, unless these phones are going to ship with a MIN of 32GB on board. however lack of a SD card slot will probably make the ability to boot android on the phones very difficult if not impossible, and definitely no ability to essentially dual boot like we can now.
I know im personally eying a switch over to android, If not running android on my HD2 i might get a TMO G2.
knowing M$, I don't think I want position myself into the front row to be a test subject lol.. i'd rather wait for a possible cooked rom with windows 7 for the HD2, the HD2 is the only phone i've ever owned that I did not lose interest and it's been like what, almost a year.. I think our snap dragon hasn't exactly been optimized with even today's software yet, the 1GHZ is hungry for more still! lol..
Just IMHO..
The way they've got us over the barrel on this one is that it's a whole new OS and won't support legacy apps. So development on our platform will die, and in fact has already begun. That's the reason we can't find a kindle app for our phones. Same with Borders' ebook reader. There's no money in beating a dead horse. It's the apps that are driving the industry, and we aren't going to get any new ones.
So title says it all. I've already bought an HTC HD2 from Ebay and I have a 7 day money back guarantee. Its still being shipping so the 7 day money back hasn't started. Though I would like to hear your opinions on what I should do. Keep the HD2? Return it and buy an HD7? If so, why?
Thanks!
This is really a question of opinion. The HD2, will prolly eventually run WP7, whereas the HD7 will more than likely never run anything except WP7, Android included. Personally I think the HD2 is the better choice, for the following reasons:
It can run WinMo, Android and most likely WP7
MUCH more software available
Better hardware build quality
More open software
I have played with an HD7, and I gotta say that the hardware is kinda..."squishy"...I dunno but the hardware just doesn't seem as rock solid as the HD2...but, like I said in the beginning, it's all up to you.
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This is really a question of opinion. The HD2, will prolly eventually run WP7, whereas the HD7 will more than likely never run anything except WP7, Android included. Personally I think the HD2 is the better choice, for the following reasons:
It can run WinMo, Android and most likely WP7
MUCH more software available
Better hardware build quality
More open software
I have played with an HD7, and I gotta say that the hardware is kinda..."squishy"...I dunno but the hardware just doesn't seem as rock solid as the HD2...but, like I said in the beginning, it's all up to you.
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Thanks alot for your input. I don't really know much about either phone, your reply was exactly what I was looking for. However, I still would like the opinion of a few more members. I have about a week still to decide. All opinions are welcome!
I was having the same debate with myself recently and bought the HD2 from Ebay (still hasn't arrived either...).
I agree with the sentiment that the HD2 overall has better build quality and many more options (roms, android, etc).
Hope you get your phone soon
One thing that really put me off was the lack of MicroSD expansion slot and the abysmal 16GB that's included. If you get the HD7 you'll be stuck with the internal 16GB forever.... don't know why they don't offer 32 or 64GB flavors seeing how it is user non replaceable.
Other than that fact it's a real toss up. I'm not sure how much modding the 7 OS will allow because that's one of the biggest things for me but i'm sure the fine folks here at XDA will figure something out . Like ashasaur has already said the HD2 offers a lot of modding and we'll just have to wait and see how much mods can be applied to the HD7.
If you're the no non-sense type of person who just wants to operate out of the box you'll probably want the HD7..... but then again you're registered on XDA....
calc said:
One thing that really put me off was the lack of MicroSD expansion slot and the abysmal 16GB that's included. If you get the HD7 you'll be stuck with the internal 16GB forever.... don't know why they don't offer 32 or 64GB flavors seeing how it is user non replaceable.
Other than that fact it's a real toss up. I'm not sure how much modding the 7 OS will allow because that's one of the biggest things for me but i'm sure the fine folks here at XDA will figure something out . Like ashasaur has already said the HD2 offers a lot of modding and we'll just have to wait and see how much mods can be applied to the HD7.
If you're the no non-sense type of person who just wants to operate out of the box you'll probably want the HD7..... but then again you're registered on XDA....
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Haha thanks for your input!
Your post is actually incorrect...the HD7, and pretty much all WP7 devices DO have MicroSD slots, the only thing is if you remove the SD card, and reinsert it or another one, you have todo a hard reset on the device to format the new card.
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Your post is actually incorrect...the HD7, and pretty much all WP7 devices DO have MicroSD slots, the only thing is if you remove the SD card, and reinsert it or another one, you have todo a hard reset on the device to format the new card.
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So it's possible to run Android on it?
Proboby not. The way that WP7 handles programs is completely different then WinMo, so Android...at least in it's current form cannot run on WP7...all I was saying is that you can actually put a new SD card in your device.
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Proboby not. The way that WP7 handles programs is completely different then WinMo, so Android...at least in it's current form cannot run on WP7...all I was saying is that you can actually put a new SD card in your device.
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you sure can if you want to void the warranty by dissassembling the device to gain access to the MicroSDHC slot....you definately cannot just pop in a new card like you can on the HD2
See...I don't understand what people are talking about with that...it's just a piece of plastic, and with the demo unit I played with, it simply just popped off and showed the SD card.
In my opinion i prefer the HD2 because its customizable where you can run Android straight from your SD CARD where the HD7 you cant. Another thing is that every time you insert a different SD CARD on the HD7 you have to hard reset becasue its one physical memory and its combined into a single virtual drive so that they appear to be a single large disk.
I will be getting it due to the fact most developers will be supporting Win7 moving forward and I think the new OS will be more customer friendly for the masses.
HD2 does not support flash natively and Hd7 does.
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Your post is actually incorrect...the HD7, and pretty much all WP7 devices DO have MicroSD slots, the only thing is if you remove the SD card, and reinsert it or another one, you have todo a hard reset on the device to format the new card.
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If you're referring to this then it's still no....
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/29/htc-hd7-has-hidden-microsd-slot-user-replacable-card/
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/...&utm_campaign=Feed:+pocketnow+(pocketnow.com)
http://news.softpedia.com/news/No-MicroSD-Cards-for-HTC-HD7-Video-Tour-Available-165142.shtml
Unless there's something i missed or an official word from HTC themselves it would appear this will indeed void your warranty. I'm not too sure how many people here will risk physical damage of a $700-$800 brand new phone.....
Plus the fact you said yourself and in the articles it would force you to hard reset your phone if replaced. Not the same amount of convenience compared to the HD2.
Indeed. Not the same convinience as hot swapping, but still indeed swappable. And I have a feeling that WP7's need to reformat the card is just some precautionary measure that will eventually be able to be circumvented. All I know is that on the HD7 hardware I played with, that cover simply popped off to reveal the SD slot and the lower part of the SIM slot, didn't have to force it or anything, and then it just snapped right back on...that may have changed on final hardware I do not know.
even if the microSD cover just "pops off", it was not meant to be... just like the iTard battery cover is just a piece of plastic that can be popped off, but steve wants you to mail the whole phone back plus $100 so they'll replace the $3 battery for you, but I digress...
the whole smardphone world is going through an iTardificaiton, and you might as well call the HD7 the iwPhone7... but I digress again...
actually, if you want to dabble in both android and some flavor of Windows mobile, better stick with the HD2, as android is fully functional on it now. hardware wise, there is nothing in the hd7 that you'll miss, kickstand aside.
just my 2c.
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Indeed. Not the same convinience as hot swapping, but still indeed swappable. And I have a feeling that WP7's need to reformat the card is just some precautionary measure that will eventually be able to be circumvented. All I know is that on the HD7 hardware I played with, that cover simply popped off to reveal the SD slot and the lower part of the SIM slot, didn't have to force it or anything, and then it just snapped right back on...that may have changed on final hardware I do not know.
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Well from what i've been reading removable memory is not "officially" supported. It's not meant to be removed without voiding the warranty.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2361377,00.asp
In that article is says you'll be able to see the card "locked" under the battery and i'm sure that's probably what you saw in the HD7.. now whether or not it actually voids anything is completely debatable. Article is a bit old but that's what i've been hearing.
Based on that article it would seem Microsoft is gunning for a smooth streamlined experience with out hick ups. Makes sense in a way to not allow third party microSD cards with varying performance such as brand and class speeds.
Never mind.....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=807900&page=6
apparently the microSD problem is already being actively discussed....
OK, I,ve now taken the ten screws out and the plastic bit just lifts off. I took the card out and it is a 16gb sd card.
I tried to read it but it comes up with please insert card so I'm not sure how it is formatted or what is on it.
One of the screws has a void sticker on it for the warranty.
I've put the phone back together and it still works.
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Well there's the answer. Apparently it is accessible you'll just forfeit your warranty..... choices choices.
There is NO way i would be willing to void my warranty to the point where t-mobile would FOR SURE know. Right now i can always flash back to stock rom and send for replacement. Ripping the sticker that voids the warranty is no different than getting that little round dot that changes color wet, on purpose.
Hi everyone!
I maybe want to get rid of my G1 with Biffmod 2.1 (and RAM Hack) for something more up to date.
Please let me hear your honest opinion:
Is a HD2 with WP7 (and Android in Dual Boot) already stable and good enough for daily use? Everything running (even Xbox Live and Games)?
I don´t want to spend 500 Euros or more on a new device. There are separate other things that i would know to do with that amount.
Thanks!
I am using my HD2 for approximately 1 month with android, after wp7 came out, i wasn't sure if it's a operating system that you really wan't to use, because android is open source, which is a big plus, but after testing it only 10 minutes, i fell in love with this os. It's simple and that's the thing that makes wp7 so unique. and if has nearly all these functions, that android also has. i would say for ~200€ or less a used HD2 with WP7 is more than a fair price... It's the deal of the decade!
The only thing you have to remember is, that you better buy an expensive class4 or better sdcard, because the sdcard is used with the internal memory as a raid system, and if you use compute-intensive applications you will recognize how a cheap sdcard slows the system down. But that's all
I would say start your new life with WP7
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I am using my HD2 for approximately 1 month with android, after wp7 came out, i wasn't sure if it's a operating system that you really wan't to use, because android is open source, which is a big plus, but after testing it only 10 minutes, i fell in love with this os. It's simple and that's the thing that makes wp7 so unique. and if has nearly all these functions, that android also has. i would say for ~200€ or less a used HD2 with WP7 is more than a fair price... It's the deal of the decade!
The only thing you have to remember is, that you better buy an expensive class4 or better sdcard, because the sdcard is used with the internal memory as a raid system, and if you use compute-intensive applications you will recognize how a cheap sdcard slows the system down. But that's all
I would say start your new life with WP7
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Actually, it seems quality class 2 cards work better than class 4, 6, or 10 cards... especially sandisk class 2. The modifications that a lot of manufacturers do to get high write speeds on higher class cards sometimes cause the random access speed to slow, and random access speed is whats important for wp7 to run smooth. I used a class 4 kingston and I was getting lags when scrolling and bad battery life... when I switch to sandisk class 2, smooth as butter and much better battery. Sandisk class 2 seems to be the best choice right now. Not saying other cards won't work, but looking through the forums, sandisk c2 seen to be consistently successful with everyone.
I would say..."most definitely able to use as a daily OS!" I've been using it now for nearly 2 weeks and I love how buttery smooth it is on our HD2. Then again, our phones are a beast themselves with just the hardware specs. Android is great and user customization is almost limitless, but the interface in WP7 has a lot to like. It's simplicity at its best. And there are a lot of apps that are quite interesting and useful, and the gaming is second to none with the XBOX feature. Even the regular games are getting better with each day that passes. Needless to say that the app store seems to be growing at a fast rate from what I can tell. And did I mention that it runs silky smooth and quick on our phones.
So, if you're asking whether it's worth it...if your an HD2 owner, it sure as hell is. And unlke any other phone we can have our cake and eat it too. Android and HD2 can both be on the phone now. So, you can literally switch OS's whenever you feel like it...and both run awesome on our phones.
But after trying WP7 and finally unlocking all features. I don't think I'm going to run Android anytime soon.
IMO the classy design of the HD2 is perfectly bonded with the classy modern design of the Metro UI on WP7, too lazy to go back to android now, though the battery is a tad disappointing and the volume needs to be fixed.
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Actually, it seems quality class 2 cards work better than class 4, 6, or 10 cards... especially sandisk class 2. The modifications that a lot of manufacturers do to get high write speeds on higher class cards sometimes cause the random access speed to slow, and random access speed is whats important for wp7 to run smooth. I used a class 4 kingston and I was getting lags when scrolling and bad battery life... when I switch to sandisk class 2, smooth as butter and much better battery. Sandisk class 2 seems to be the best choice right now. Not saying other cards won't work, but looking through the forums, sandisk c2 seen to be consistently successful with everyone.
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I totally agree with your statements, zarathustrax. Just like you i was using a Kingston class 4, and while wp7 was ok to use, market was slow, shutting down took a while etc. Since i switched to class 2 sandisk, total difference! Still testing battery life though. But this would be a great sd card to use with wp7.
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I totally agree with your statements, zarathustrax. Just like you i was using a Kingston class 4, and while wp7 was ok to use, market was slow, shutting down took a while etc. Since i switched to class 2 sandisk, total difference! Still testing battery life though. But this would be a great sd card to use with wp7.
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i used the sandisk c2 16gb card,, it was slow,, after then i changed to the transcend c6 8gb card, everything fine then.
I think card might not be the problem,,sometimes reinstall the wp7 could be a good idea before we claim xx card is incompatible to wp7 in hd2
wp7 in hd2 is stable now,, hope it last and survive in the coming update
Well, thank you guys for sharing your experiences! Now i definitely want a HD2
Today i´ll start looking at Ebay Germany for a mint used one. As the possibility to install everything you want on a HD2 is not so well known to the public, HD2s are still quite cheap to have at the moment
So this SD card might be alright?
http://www.amazon.de/SanDisk-microS...AJKI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1296030373&sr=8-1
Careful
WP7 on the HD2, a few things to think about...
1) Will DFT continue to update the build
2) Camera has issues with HD2
3) Multi Touch is not as well supported on the HD2 as with HD7 or native WP7 devices
4) If number 1) is updated, then you would have to wait a while before any updates Microsoft introduce can be used on our HD2
The only reason buying an HD2 over an HD7 would be if you want a jack of all trades but not quiet a master of any one. The HD2 will never be a native Android HD or an native WP7, but a very good alternative to try both
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WP7 on the HD2, a few things to think about...
1) Will DFT continue to update the build
2) Camera has issues with HD2
3) Multi Touch is not as well supported on the HD2 as with HD7 or native WP7 devices
4) If number 1) is updated, then you would have to wait a while before any updates Microsoft introduce can be used on our HD2
The only reason buying an HD2 over an HD7 would be if you want a jack of all trades but not quiet a master of any one. The HD2 will never be a native Android HD or an native WP7, but a very good alternative to try both
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Agreed... I wouldn't buy the hd2 just to run wp7 off of, just like I wouldn't buy it just to run android off of. The hd2 will never run wp7 as good as a native device... we don't even know if wp7 will work on our phones after Microsoft updates wp7. The hd2 doesn't have as many colors as wp7 devices and will never have more than 2 point multitouch, which will make some apps that use multitouch incompatible with our phones. If you want to run wp7, get a wp7 device. Only get the hd2 if you want a phone to tinker with, and can accept that the phone will always have issues and bugs running these OS's that weren't meant for it. The hd2 can run a lot of OS's, but the only one it will ever run 100% is wm65. If you're looking to run a specific os, get a native phone.
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Is a HD2 with WP7 (and Android in Dual Boot) already stable and good enough for daily use? Everything running (even Xbox Live and Games)?
I don´t want to spend 500 Euros or more on a new device. There are separate other things that i would know to do with that amount.
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HAHA I am in same boat, ie a new phone OR upgrades to my gaming PC.
I want to stick with my HD2 dual booting WP7 and CM7 Gingerbread.
So far it works well, only had one issue where my live id was longer able to purchase apps from market. I have switched to a different live id. this is looking increasingly like an issue at MS' end though.
Sure a native WP7 device would be much better, but there is a price difference of at least 300 Euros. Is this difference really worth it? Can´t believe it...
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Sure a native WP7 device would be much better, but there is a price difference of at least 300 Euros. Is this difference really worth it? Can´t believe it...
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Well, if you go with the HD2, you run a chance of WP7 not being functional on the HD2 in the future once microsoft updates it... and we probably won't get updates right away, if we even get them at all... and when updates happen and the HD2 can't update, it's possible market and live services may not work anymore. If you want it only for WP7, I would definitely say a few hundred dollars would be worth it. You wouldn't want to spend a couple hundred dollars on the HD2 only to have WP7 be made unfunctional in a month.
Now it may work fine... the devs may be able to release updated builds soon after MS releases updates... but I think it's just as likely that we will either be stuck with this version and not get any MS updates, or not getting updates and ms updating the market and live services to not work with phones that don't have the updates, rendering our wp7 build basicly a test build that can't do much.
Also, certain apps will never work on our phones correctly because we don't have the same multitouch native phones have... and we don't have all the colors native phones have.
Now, the HD2 is a good phone in itself even if WP7 isn't functional in the future since we can run android well and winmo 6.5. But if you only want it for wp7, realize that you are taking a risk with the HD2. I would personally spend the extra money for a native phone if I just wanted wp7. Just want to inform you of the situation before spending a lot of money on a HD2.
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Well, if you go with the HD2, you run a chance of WP7 not being functional on the HD2 in the future once microsoft updates it... and we probably won't get updates right away, if we even get them at all... and when updates happen and the HD2 can't update, it's possible market and live services may not work anymore. If you want it only for WP7, I would definitely say a few hundred dollars would be worth it. You wouldn't want to spend a couple hundred dollars on the HD2 only to have WP7 be made unfunctional in a month.
Now it may work fine... the devs may be able to release updated builds soon after MS releases updates... but I think it's just as likely that we will either be stuck with this version and not get any MS updates, or not getting updates and ms updating the market and live services to not work with phones that don't have the updates, rendering our wp7 build basicly a test build that can't do much.
Also, certain apps will never work on our phones correctly because we don't have the same multitouch native phones have... and we don't have all the colors native phones have.
Now, the HD2 is a good phone in itself even if WP7 isn't functional in the future since we can run android well and winmo 6.5. But if you only want it for wp7, realize that you are taking a risk with the HD2. I would personally spend the extra money for a native phone if I just wanted wp7. Just want to inform you of the situation before spending a lot of money on a HD2.
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Considering that the HD2 internal hardware is pretty much identical to the HD7, I would give DFT much higher than 50-50 odds that they'll be able to successfully port all updates to the HD7. Microsoft seems ambivalent as to whether that happens, and have signaled a commitment to continue allowing homebrew development. Those are the primary ingredients.
Given that the touchscreen and the camera focus are the only current bugs (especially this early in the game), I suspect they can also be remedied. From my testing, HD2 multitouch is not so finicky in the latest WM6.5x ROMs (you don't need to put both fingers down at the same time, for example). A homebrew camera replacement could easily accomplish touch-to-focus and speed up the snapshot lag.
I've gotta say, my doubts about this stuff are no greater than my doubts that WP7 will turn out to be a better OS than Android... which is why having the option to jump ship (or dual boot!) is pretty great. Let's wait and see if all current WP7 devices actually get the next two OS updates in a timely fashion.
So far, HD2 has got ADC while the Dell Venue Pro (for example) does not. If I had to bet on xda-devs putting their best foot forward on any device, it would be this one.
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Considering that the HD2 internal hardware is pretty much identical to the HD7, I would give DFT much higher than 50-50 odds that they'll be able to successfully port all updates to the HD7. Microsoft seems ambivalent as to whether that happens, and have signaled a commitment to continue allowing homebrew development. Those are the primary ingredients.
Given that the touchscreen and the camera focus are the only current bugs (especially this early in the game), I suspect they can also be remedied. From my testing, HD2 multitouch is not so finicky in the latest WM6.5x ROMs (you don't need to put both fingers down at the same time, for example). A homebrew camera replacement could easily accomplish touch-to-focus and speed up the snapshot lag.
I've gotta say, my doubts about this stuff are no greater than my doubts that WP7 will turn out to be a better OS than Android... which is why having the option to jump ship (or dual boot!) is pretty great. Let's wait and see if all current WP7 devices actually get the next two OS updates in a timely fashion.
So far, HD2 has got ADC while the Dell Venue Pro (for example) does not. If I had to bet on xda-devs putting their best foot forward on any device, it would be this one.
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You may be right, and I agree the fact that the ability to boot multiple os's in case wp7 fails as an os makes the hd2 a great phone.... I wouldn't trade my hd2 for anything right now. I'm just saying for people only wanting wp7, we don't know for sure what will happen with wp7 on the hd2 in the future, and it may be worth it to get a native wp7 so you're guaranteed updates when they come and you'll have a guaranteed working wp7. But obviously if you want to dualboot and can accept the risk and fact it may not get updates or work 100%, the hd2 is a great phone and well worth it.
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I will give it a try. Hey, no risk, no fun!
Even if there will be no more WP7 updates in the future (which i cannot believe, MS still needs every WP7 user to increase their market shares), a HD2 still will be a much superior Android device than my G1 now, for just a small amount of money (if i have a little bit luck at buying/selling)
I use my HD2 a lot each day
It only runs Windows Phone 7
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LOL. The HD2 is so much fun that it's simply the phone of all times already. I really would't trade it in right now and I'm happy I didn't sell it a few months ago as I usually do with my phones. It's the first phone to make it over a year in my pocket for the last 5 years and it will surely stay there for the months to come.
WP7 is surprisingly stable and bugfree and is my current first choice OS for the HD2. I am also pretty confident that all WP7 updates will be available to the HD2 users one way or another. It's not really that critical if you have to wait a few days after the official release. I'm also anxious to give MeeGo a try once it's in a usable state
Of course this is all true only if the prowd HD2 owner is:
1. Ready to accept the risk that he may not have any WP7 updates.
2. Ready to accept the risk of bricking his beloved phone at any time.
3. Ready to read alot about how to get all the fancy stuff working.
4. Ready to spend a night or day repartitioning SD cards, flashing a new Radio that could potentially give him 2 hrs more battery etc.
If you are not prepared for all this and more it's much better to get a native phone with your desired OS
Ryoukou said:
I will give it a try. Hey, no risk, no fun!
Even if there will be no more WP7 updates in the future (which i cannot believe, MS still needs every WP7 user to increase their market shares), a HD2 still will be a much superior Android device than my G1 now, for just a small amount of money (if i have a little bit luck at buying/selling)
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Exactly... if you like android too, the hd2 makes a great phone, cause you can have wp7 on internal memory, and partition your memory card so you can also run android from the sd. I have a 32gb card with 21gb for wp7 and 8gb for android... and I just got a second 32gb card to keep a couple android builds on, and ubuntu and wm65 when it comes out for sd booting.
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Looking for the best experience using this phone as a daily driver. Stability, battery, general use, a little speed helps too. I'm proficient in adb, fastboot, and many other commands.
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Looking for the best experience using this phone as a daily driver. Stability, battery, general use, a little speed helps too. I'm proficient in adb, fastboot, and many other commands.
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You won't need adb and fastboot much here (not at all for the main flashing process). Follow the guide in my sig and you should be fine. I won't recommend a ROM since not only do I believe it's pointless (different things suit different people) but I also haven't checked out HD2 development in absolutely ages so I don't know what's good.
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You won't need adb and fastboot much here (not at all for the main flashing process). Follow the guide in my sig and you should be fine. I won't recommend a ROM since not only do I believe it's pointless (different things suit different people) but I also haven't checked out HD2 development in absolutely ages so I don't know what's good.
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sounds good. im not really asking for a best rom, more of an opinion on what people have had good experiences with as daily drivers. hyperdroid looks really good, and ill probably start there. The hd2 is a stopping point for me based out of boredom and the need to tinker with android until the next batch of phones are released this year along with the possibility of a new nexus. Also what micro sd card would work best in the hd2 im avoiding the uhs class and looking at regular class 10 or class 6 with a max of 32gb
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sounds good. im not really asking for a best rom, more of an opinion on what people have had good experiences with as daily drivers. hyperdroid looks really good, and ill probably start there. The hd2 is a stopping point for me based out of boredom and the need to tinker with android until the next batch of phones are released this year along with the possibility of a new nexus. Also what micro sd card would work best in the hd2 im avoiding the uhs class and looking at regular class 10 or class 6 with a max of 32gb
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It depends, if you're looking for a good card for NativeSD then buy a good brand class 4 since those are the best for NativeSD. Otherwise, for NAND I guess any decent class card should be good.
Nand is better than native sd?
Ended up with a class 4 SanDisk based off recommendations for this phone
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Nand is better than native sd?
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I personally can't say since I never got a chance to use NativeSD. Some say it's faster than NAND, others see no difference.
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Ended up with a class 4 SanDisk based off recommendations for this phone
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Probably the perfect choice judging by what others have said. They benchmark the highest in random read/write speeds and that's the part which is crucial to NativeSD. If there is a performance advantage of NativeSD over NAND then you've got the best possible card with which to experience it.