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Full Review of Atrix 4G

Hey all!
I've posted my full review of the Motorola Atrix 4G. Overall, I think it's a solid phone.
I compared it to the Samsung Captivate specifically, but also talked about HDMI-out, GPS performance, battery life, speed, etc.
Check it out:
http://briefmobile.com/motorola-atrix-4g-review

Respect !!!

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Respect !!!
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Thanks! Hope you enjoyed it. If anyone has any questions... feel free to ask away!

Nice review!
I'm really looking forward to upgrading to this phone when it launches in the UK
I'm sure I read a review a while ago that implied that, when using the multimedia dock, it was possible to wirekesslt stream media from locally networked storage. but I cannot find it now
is there any way you could test this?

stunno said:
Nice review!
I'm really looking forward to upgrading to this phone when it launches in the UK
I'm sure I read a review a while ago that implied that, when using the multimedia dock, it was possible to wirekesslt stream media from locally networked storage. but I cannot find it now
is there any way you could test this?
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Unfortunately, I don't have a WiFi network to test it over (I'm connected via LAN) on video.
However, I have already tried out this feature, called DLNA, and it works seamlessly with Windows Media Player. You simply set up a shared playlist in Windows Media Player and then click on the DLNA application on your Atrix while connected to the same WiFi network as the server (computer).
It works well. My only gripe is that the Atrix cannot play back .MKV files.

@Stunno
I found a stray WiFi network to use. Obviously, my computer wasn't connected, so I can't set up a playlist to stream.
But I took a screenshot of the DLNA application. Overall, fairly easy to set up.
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@Stunno
I found a stray WiFi network to use. Obviously, my computer wasn't connected, so I can't set up a playlist to stream.
But I took a screenshot of the DLNA application. Overall, fairly easy to set up.
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Great stuff! Thanks for the reply, Kenneth! It's very much appreciated, any thoughts on whether it could access samba shares?
I have a TV upstairs in the bedroom, and rather than run an aerial wire to it I was going to buy something like a Revo and set up media streaming (I have a couple of TBs of DVD rips on a NAS) Then I saw the Atrix + multimedia dock and it all became so clear

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Great stuff! Thanks for the reply, Kenneth! It's very much appreciated, any thoughts on whether it could access samba shares?
I have a TV upstairs in the bedroom, and rather than run an aerial wire to it I was going to buy something like a Revo and set up media streaming (I have a couple of TBs of DVD rips on a NAS) Then I saw the Atrix + multimedia dock and it all became so clear
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Hmm. I'm not too familiar with Samba. Here's an official Motorola rundown of DLNA on the Atrix 4G:
https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/60673/p_country_code/US

Thanks again!
From the list on http://www.dlna.org/ it looks like my NAS is supported by DLNA, so, hopefully, I should be good to go!!
Now we just need Motorol;a to get their fingers out and release it over here!
Many thanks again Kenneth!

Nice review!

kennethpenn said:
Hey all!
I've posted my full review of the Motorola Atrix 4G. Overall, I think it's a solid phone.
I compared it to the Samsung Captivate specifically, but also talked about HDMI-out, GPS performance, battery life, speed, etc.
Check it out:
http://briefmobile.com/motorola-atrix-4g-review
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Many of the folks here are seeing average to below performance with the battery. But you have rated it as exceptional. Can you provide more details on your usage during those 16 hrs?

Nearly every topic you listed had negatives for the phone but you say its a solid device? Id give it 2/5 stars at best. Really disappointed.
The screen is horrible - cant even display yellow properly. Not to mention its pixelated and washed out.
Battery life is abysmal.
Really the only thing I found "good" with this phone, was the call quality.

psufan5 said:
Nearly every topic you listed had negatives for the phone but you say its a solid device? Id give it 2/5 stars at best. Really disappointed.
The screen is horrible - cant even display yellow properly. Not to mention its pixelated and washed out.
Battery life is abysmal.
Really the only thing I found "good" with this phone, was the call quality.
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Im quite sure the color issue is software related. This phone was rushed out the door, lets not forget. I also think the camera could be optimized better through software also. This phone is just an infant. If we can get some custom roms on it the future is sky high for this phone. Right now it feels like a beta.

I read your review and while it was thorough I do have one criticism, and it can be levied against pretty much anyone who has used an AMOLED device prior to the Atrix.
Everyone falls prey to the "Ohh shiny!" problem of the AMOLED screen. Oversaturated color is NOT accurate color. It's just like in big box retailers where they crank up the contrast and backlighting to make TVs "pop". My Blu-Ray player even has a "store" mode in the settings menu that turns on different lights and displays that aren't normally running just to draw your attention. If you had it setup that way at home you'd go insane (not to mention not being able to sleep from the light in the room). Just because it's bright and shiny does not mean that it's at all representative of the real world, and the average person just doesn't understand that.
Also, the picture you used in the screen portion of your review comparing the two phones has to do much more with the different screens' viewing angles than their perceived color reproduction accuracy.

illini71 said:
Im quite sure the color issue is software related. This phone was rushed out the door, lets not forget. I also think the camera could be optimized better through software also. This phone is just an infant. If we can get some custom roms on it the future is sky high for this phone. Right now it feels like a beta.
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Oh it doesn't feel like a beta maybe not polished but The Nexus S with 2.3 feels like a beta or RC;-)

rapidstar said:
Many of the folks here are seeing average to below performance with the battery. But you have rated it as exceptional. Can you provide more details on your usage during those 16 hrs?
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I usually use the device every other minute while I'm in classes or at work. I surf the net, usually visiting my blog and other tech blogs. Then I check out Analytics applications. I also watched a full episode of The Daily Show during my test... which was the biggest drain (Flash over browser). I don't know how anyone could say battery life was terrible. Battery life on this device matches my iPhone... and it's better than the battery life on any of my past Android devices.
psufan5 said:
Nearly every topic you listed had negatives for the phone but you say its a solid device? Id give it 2/5 stars at best. Really disappointed.
The screen is horrible - cant even display yellow properly. Not to mention its pixelated and washed out.
Battery life is abysmal.
Really the only thing I found "good" with this phone, was the call quality.
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It might seem like every category was negative, because I was trying to be critical of the device and point out its flaws. You must remember that all of the categories are weighted more than others. Speed and processing power is more important than the lack of video codecs... for example.
illini71 said:
Im quite sure the color issue is software related. This phone was rushed out the door, lets not forget. I also think the camera could be optimized better through software also. This phone is just an infant. If we can get some custom roms on it the future is sky high for this phone. Right now it feels like a beta.
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Have you used the device? You really believe it feels beta? I'm pretty shocked to hear that. This thing is incredibly fast, efficient, and sleek. I'm loving it so far.
phobos512 said:
I read your review and while it was thorough I do have one criticism, and it can be levied against pretty much anyone who has used an AMOLED device prior to the Atrix.
Everyone falls prey to the "Ohh shiny!" problem of the AMOLED screen. Oversaturated color is NOT accurate color. It's just like in big box retailers where they crank up the contrast and backlighting to make TVs "pop". My Blu-Ray player even has a "store" mode in the settings menu that turns on different lights and displays that aren't normally running just to draw your attention. If you had it setup that way at home you'd go insane (not to mention not being able to sleep from the light in the room). Just because it's bright and shiny does not mean that it's at all representative of the real world, and the average person just doesn't understand that.
Also, the picture you used in the screen portion of your review comparing the two phones has to do much more with the different screens' viewing angles than their perceived color reproduction accuracy.
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This is partly true. Over-saturated colors aren't accurate. It is also true that the angle of the picture makes the Atrix's colors look worse.
I did that angle for a reason. It was the only way that I could show how the two screens look side by side in true life. Every other time, the camera would balance the colors and the Atrix would look equal with the Captivate. The picture under the screen section is actually a very accurate view of the comparison between the two screens.

kennethpenn said:
I did that angle for a reason. It was the only way that I could show how the two screens look side by side in true life. Every other time, the camera would balance the colors and the Atrix would look equal with the Captivate. The picture under the screen section is actually a very accurate view of the comparison between the two screens.
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I understand the reason but it really provides a skewed view of the phone which is unfortunately a common problem in the media.
You must have a very sophisticated camera for it to compensate for different colors in different areas of an image. Mine (Canon Powershot S90) is only capable of adjusting white balance or hue/saturation/brightness/contrast over the whole of the image.

phobos512 said:
I understand the reason but it really provides a skewed view of the phone which is unfortunately a common problem in the media.
You must have a very sophisticated camera for it to compensate for different colors in different areas of an image. Mine (Canon Powershot S90) is only capable of adjusting white balance or hue/saturation/brightness/contrast over the whole of the image.
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Canon Rebel T21. It's a friend's.
Not sure if it was balancing colors or if my lighting was just poor, but it wasn't communicating the major color difference when I took a straight shot.
I did include a straight shot with screens on in the gallery of pictures within the review FYI.
But, the color difference is much more dramatic in real life. Whites look more accurate on the Atrix. Other than that, blacks and ROYGBIV look way better on the Super AMOLED.
However, I would still buy this phone over the Captivate any day. The screen is still wonderful... and the resolution is useful.

Is it confirmed that the display is made of Gorilla Glass?

JD914 said:
Is it confirmed that the display is made of Gorilla Glass?
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Yes! And it works well!

[Q] how do you like your n.i.

i was thinking about buying a notion ink off of ebay. i have had a few tablets in the past ( gtab, nook color, elocity, galaxy). could you please give me your personal opinion on the notion. should i buy a notion ink, xoom, or the new toshiba tablet coming out.
thank you for your replys

I personally like my Adam, however, it is not for everyone. There are some parts of it that could be quite a bit better. For example, the display in general isn't exactly top notch. (there is about an eighth of an inch between the surface which kind of bugs me) Nevertheless, I love my tablet. Why, you ask? Because it's mine. I don't know anybody with one. It makes me special.
Now, on the subject of other tablets, I think that the transformer looks kind of cool, the xoom is kind of... not very... cool. The galaxy tab 10.1, however, looks promising. I generally like samsung products because of their quality, and the 10.1 does not look like an exception, however, it is not out yet. I have not heard much about the toshiba one so I can't say much about that.
In short, I feel that of the tablets that you mentioned, none of them are worth buying right now, unless you have some money that you are desperate to spend.

You should check out the new asus tablet I love that! Though I like my Adam too!

aren't the asus tablet stupid expensive

[email protected] said:
aren't the asus tablet stupid expensive
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At $399 for the 16GB and $499 for the 32Gb the simple answer is no.

You should NOT buy the NotionInk Adam!
I bought one and I'm really happy with it, my girlfriend bought one which was dead on arrival and NotionInk support sucks - they refuse to fulfill the what they promise in the warranty.
...furhermore: The peace of hardware is ok - The PixelQi screen is superb but thats it. Forget NotionInks software (its very laggy - it simply sucks) - but there are good comunity roms.
Buy the Xoom and be happy.

Thanks. for some reason I thought they were 1200 dollars. I am definitely going to get one.
did some looking at the transformer. it is cheaper than the notion and comes with honeycomb. the best thing i like is that it comes from a company that i know and trust. i have seen too many postings on the notion ink about dead pixels.

[email protected] said:
Thanks. for some reason I thought they were 1200 dollars. I am definitely going to get one.
did some looking at the transformer. it is cheaper than the notion and comes with honeycomb. the best thing i like is that it comes from a company that i know and trust. i have seen too many postings on the notion ink about dead pixels.
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Completely agree!
I have an Asus g60 and after a year when I sent it to get my hinges replaced, they replaced almost all the parts including the motherboard; so that I shouldn't have a problem in the future
Though not sure how much of that was thrown away, just increasing the tons of e-waste!

[email protected] said:
i was thinking about buying a notion ink off of ebay. i have had a few tablets in the past ( gtab, nook color, elocity, galaxy). could you please give me your personal opinion on the notion. should i buy a notion ink, xoom, or the new toshiba tablet coming out.
thank you for your replys
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Buying an Adam via eBay or third party, take into consideration that the warranty only applies to the original owner.
-CC

Yeah it goes pretty good,
Screen is much to be desired, but with the right rom it seems very fast and capable.
My TC

Adam generally has everything all other tegra 2 android tablets offer. Of course the screen could be better and they have cut some corners to keep the price down.
I am enjoying having it even with the screen it has and does well in all normal tasks of surfing, reading, playing games, movies and of course hacking.
Basically try and get the cheapest but functional tablet u can, as anyway in six month's time there would be lots of other options.

I am very disappointed from the device.
I bought the PixelQi+3G+Wifi. it arrived a few days ago and the screen is horrible,it has bleeding edges,And very blur corners,the brightness is not perfect and colors are dead.
I couldent activate 3G at all (I got airplane mode right from the start) after a few mails to support and several attempts to solve the problem they admitted it is a problem that will be solved in the next update.
Here are some photos compared to my Elocity A7.
I decided to return the device ( almost losing $180 for costumes and shipping fees).
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As reviewers say the tablet has a high learning curve, it takes some time to get the hang of it, but its still really good cheap android tablet and notion Ink is still going to give it soome honeycomb goodness
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clockcycle said:
Buying an Adam via eBay or third party, take into consideration that the warranty only applies to the original owner.
-CC
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OK I didnt even know about the warranty good thing i work with the guy i got mine from and he helped design the UI so im ok lol BUT back to topic I LOVE MY ADAM!!!!!!! best android device i have had out the box it isnt GREAT but not horrible I dint overly like it at first but with Eden X AWESOME!!!!!!! NO FLAWS WORKS LIKE IT SHOULD love my PQi 3G Adam wouldnt sell it I was going to get the zoom but changed my mind after the PQi screen

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The guy who posted a couple of pictures above is making some mistakes you should be aware of.
1. He is using the VTL launcher alternative that is standard on Beast and EdenX which includes the blur on the edges on purpose to give some indication to the user that the dock is located there. You can turn that off if you want.
2. The edge bleeding is a problem mostly if you turn your screen brightness to near the top setting. This is true of many devices and its not really connected to the quality of the Adam. The iPad2 is known to have the same issue.
I have an Adam, and for the most part I like it. I wish the stock software was ok, but it isn't so I changed it. The hardware is mostly good but there are some issues there as well. The pixel qi screen is amazing, but the viewing angles on a couple of sides are bad. The ports and connectivity options are great as well. No other tablet even comes close. If the ASUS transformer had a pixel qi screen and was priced under $600 I would jump all over it. But sadly it doesn't. I am not too concerned about the lack of Honeycomb yet. The UI on Honeycomb is nice, but at this point in time lacking Honeycomb means I just can't get a couple of Honeycomb only apps I would like to get. Later on in perhaps 6 months to a year it might be a real problem, but I honestly think that by then we should have Honeycomb either from a ROM dev or from NI itself. As far as support from NI is concerned, I cannot honestly comment since I have had not a single issue that I could not resolve myself. Seeing as how you are on XDA in the first place, the software issues shouldn't be a problem for you.

I love my Adam but it definately is not for people who are looking for a perfect experience out of the box. Basically you need to root this this and get a decent version of android on it to make it enjoyable. Personally I went for the stock android experience but there are some beuitfully done upgrades to Eden (the default OS) so try 'em out!
From a hardwrae point of view, I LOVE the pixel qi screen, the camera is pretty crap but will be fine for conference calling/skype. Actually having usb ports that work is a huge boon and the HDMI port is full size which is awesome (though I havnt used it yet)
All in all I wouldn't recommend it to my Mother but to you it may just be perfect!
Sent from my Adam using XDA App

I love my Adam for its Pixel Qi screen and also like the hardware design and layout
BUT
I think that the startup Notion Ink sucks - support is not able to handle cases.
The software on the device is really bad in spite of that this should be there flagship - the thing which makes the Adam a better experience - Its definitely not.
Its needed to replace the software with one of the custom ROMs and there are quite a few good ones.
Conclusion: I like the device but the Company Notion Ink sucks but you have a really good experience with ROMs which are not from Notion Ink.

I was on the PO1 and made a huge mistake in purchasing the Adam. I have the PQi screen (the only saving grace for NI anymore). The glass on the Adam broke and there is no way to get it fixed. I have been sending emails to NI for a month and only received a response in the first 7 days. Other than that, the support is non-existent. My guess is the company will be out of funding and gone by the end of the year (or it will have minimized its consumer based to a small niche crowd and will be a shoe-string operation). They cannot survive with their lack customer service. And don't let their blog fool you, they are moderating out most of the posts from the blog and their conclave forums.
The hardware is good, but everyone is catching up quickly.
You would be better off going to Vegas and picking red or black with your money. You will either get a great return, or the same level of service you would get from NI.
Save yourself and don't buy one.

I was PO2 and have ad no problems with support (24 hour retune on emails) i have had nothing break and i love it there is an update comeing 1st or second week of may the brings it up to a better software version and let us not forget a startup will not have the support of the big guys adn alot of time has to be spent with the people to get funding overall Adam is not for everyone but i love mine and would not trade it for 2 xooms and a asus
p.s im running non rooted stcok eden ui

I have realized that jentous is right about the blur thing from the VTL launcher ,still , bleeding is seen in many brightness selections,colors are dull compared to a regular LCD screen , i am still unable to activate 3G yet, and there is no reply from NI support after i informed them that i wish to return the product and I'm waiting for return procedure details.

[Q] Anyone try both Asus transformer and Galaxy tab 10.1?

I have the transformer 32GB version. It really impressed me comparing it to my gtablet. Unfortunately the touchscreen stopped working within 24 hours. Even running nvflash with the stock 3.1 image has not revived it. They may more may not have another (the did not have the 16GB version thats why I got the 32). Has anyone tried both and what are your thoughts on the galaxy tab? How is browser flash?

While I never owned a transformer, one of my coworkers brought his in to let me use it for a day before I purchased the gtab 10.1. The Transformer is great if you want all the expansion ports like the sd card and more so, the ability to dock it to turn it into a netbook. With that being said, the Galaxy 10.1 is a much more refined product. After playing with the Transformer for a while you really appreciate just how much lighter and thinner the Galaxy is. I actually understand why they didn't put any of the expansion ports onto the sides of the tab because it would have really interrupted a great form factor.
If you're choosing one of these over the other, it would definitely be because of the hardware though. The software is very close to being the same since the internals are pretty much identical.

TRansformer is good. since nvflash's secure key been found by RaYmAn. you can flash anything on it if you like

Thanks I'm going to try just a straight replacement. It makes me uneasy that out of 3 people getting them at work 2 of them had the touch not working issue. Going to try seeing if Fry's has the 16GB and downgrade. Only got the 32GB because they were OOS for 16GB.

I sold my TF to get the I/O Tab, and I think the latter wins hands down.
The TF looked like a cheaper product, w some weird hw bugs (mine had an unaligned display w some light bleed, a creaking case and an audio alignment issue), while the Tab looks like a more polished product, it's much more portable and light to handle and I have yet to find any problem aside from Honeycomb's well known issues.
I'd never use HDMI on such a device and by having 32GB of onboard storage I doubt I'd ever need a SD card expansion slot (but just in case I'll buy the USB Host adapter to plug in any HDD or USB Dongle I should need).
Maybe it was just me being unlucky w/ the Asus and lucky w/ the Samsung, but I'm really happy of my new tablet and atm I wouldn't look back for any other device out on the market.

Drakknar said:
Maybe it was just me being unlucky w/ the Asus and lucky w/ the Samsung, but I'm really happy of my new tablet and atm I wouldn't look back for any other device out on the market.
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This. I went through two TFs, the first with a dead touchscreen and the second with an uneven bezel and light leak. Design wise it's slick. Quality not so much.
It's telling that the local Fry's has (according to the sales dude) gone through three demo units on display in the last month because the touch screen keeps dying.

When I see the announcement of 10.1 ...I already set my mind to get the 10.1. But when the Transformer was launched and sold out every where, I managed to get a 16G version on Walmart ...So I got the keyboard dock too, not that I need it.
And then the 10.1 launched, I ordered the 32G from Amazon. Very happy so far. Love it...it's lighter than TF and sexy. I don't care much about those ports and MicroSD. The speed of the MicroSD is slow and I don't want to cough out the extra $$$ to buy a CLASS 10 MicroSD. So the 32G is good for me...esp when using the EZreader to read some downloaded magazines. It's loaded some much better and smoother than TF. Now I still waiting for the Skinomi skin to arrive, so I can stick it on my 10.1......that will be nice....I love the look of the bare TAB rather with a Cover. Just handle it with EXTRA CARE.
And my TF goes to my Sister!

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It's telling that the local Fry's has (according to the sales dude) gone through three demo units on display in the last month because the touch screen keeps dying.
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We are at 2 out of 5 at work. If it happens again and there isn't a fix by then(it has to be a software issue) I will get the tab. I prefer the hackability of the asus but not if it doesn't work.

How does the screen compare to the galaxy tab 10.1. Is. It like comparing the retna display to the super amoled display? Hopefully its not to much of a difference
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10.1 screen is superior if you like oversaturated colors.
also it's superior because of the PLS display. IPS on transformer seems to have screen bleeding as a standard.
Saw comments from asus Germany in their blog (http://blog.asus.de/asus-eeepad-slider-transformer-–-mehr-als-nur-tablets/), they say it's normal and ipads have it too. You can translate this passage to your language:
Das Streulicht der Hintergrundbeleuchtung kann bei maximalem Schwarzwert in das Display, das ist aber aufrund der dünnen Bauweise prinzipbedingt, davon werden selbst Pads von Hersteller mit Obst Logo nicht gefeit sein… ob das wirklich störend ist, ist ein subjektives Emfinden.
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Some scattered light from the backlight can pass the display @ max. black levels. That's a structure problem with thin architectures. Even pads from the publisher with a fruit logo are not immune to it. It's depends on taste if it's disturbing.
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Also black is not really black on transformer, you see it if you have both side by side. The min and max brightness settings can go deeper/higher on 10.1. Contrast is superior too.

I bought the transformer and returned it less then a week later. The screen bleed was terrible, at full brightness 1/3 of my screen was light grey when looking at black. The colors dull, and Max brightness a tad to low. It certainly felt well built though, no creeks or anything. The size difference is noticeable, but that in particular wasn't a game changer for me. Having had both, I'm glad I went with the galaxy.
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rogconnect said:
Now I still waiting for the Skinomi skin to arrive, so I can stick it on my 10.1......that will be nice....I love the look of the bare TAB rather with a Cover. Just handle it with EXTRA CARE.
And my TF goes to my Sister!
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I have the Samsung Book Case cover. I still use the Tab at home without a case because it feels so good in my hands. The cover is for when I leave the house with the Tab.

I also bought the Transformer first and returned it. I am contemplating exchanging my 10.1 for another Transformer. Not because I think the TF is better. It's not. However, for that price, it is much smarter to go with if you are planning to be an early adopter of Kal-El.
With that said, the display was full of light bleeds and that is a major pet peeve of mine. The speakers were not nearly loud enough. I could barely hear a movie on it with the volume at max. With the 10.1, my gf yells at me to turn it down. It had some pretty bad creaking, too.
Do I miss the SD card? Hell yes, but not because of space. The 10.1 is a pain in the ass to mount. I always have to turn USB Debugging on and off. And when you mount it, it's not seen as a removable disk. It's seen as a media device. You can only copy/move one large file at a time and can't even see picture thumbnails. Stupid.
Anyways, I may return it for the TF since I'm really just waiting for the next batch of tablets. Amazon Hollywood anyone?

Had the TF with the dock. Updated to 3.1. Glitchy and laggy as hell. Like everyone else has said... Lots of light bleed eveywhere. I also had the panel pulling away on a corner. So after a week I returned it. Got the tab 10.1... Night and day difference... No lag, perfect screen... Butter. But, just to make sure I dont want a smaller tab, i just got a nook color and installed CM7. That is a hard to beat combo for $250. The special soft buttons are very well done... Plus its a piece of cake to install once you get a bootable CWM micro sd card setup. But, it will be going back. Its hard to consider using anything else after having the 10.1. I would say that thr TF has the best overall screen color and saturation... Very natural and mac like a colors. That said, the 10.1 is the best android tablet available.
Edit: Not sure if my dock was faulty but typing on it was not pleasant. The keys only responded if you hit them dead center and the track pad was useless.
Has anyone used the official samsung dock keyboard?
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I tried 3 tab from yesterday. First, Toshiba Thrive(32GB) (available @ BB in store). I totally loved it. It has everything in it. But so far I haven't seem any support from and dev on xda. Well, today afternoon I exchanged that with Transformer (16GB). Frankly speaking, I was missing Thrive a lot. Anyway, it was running 3.0.1. It automatically downloaded update for 3.1. Manually installed it. Everything was working smoothly, until I found that it couldn't play FLAC. Also, the sound from one of the speaker was quite low, and overall not as loud as Toshiba Thrive. In the evening, I returned that and got Tab 10.1 (32GB) and the first thing that I said even before booting was WOW!!!! Once it booted, it was like another WOW!!!. Currently I haven't played much with the Samsung Tab 10.1 yet.
I hope in future I see some love for Toshiba Thrive.

Again a post about this booting issue. I actually have no problems with it and see it as a plus. When I connect it to my computer, it recognizes it as a removable disk 100%. It behaves just like any usb flash.
I have Win7 on my computer.
I did:
1. go to control panel, uninstall any samsung usb drivers
2. go to the tab, disable usb debugging.
3. connect both of them. Let the computer do its work on reinstalling the drivers.
Thats it. IT WORKS 100% NOW AS A REMOVABLE DISK. It actually behaves way better than my rooted samsung galaxy fascinate, which requires 3 button presses to confirm you want usb storage mode, and 30% simply wont be recogninzed by the computer. The tab 10.1 works every time without any prompts.
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I also bought the Transformer first and returned it. I am contemplating exchanging my 10.1 for another Transformer. Not because I think the TF is better. It's not. However, for that price, it is much smarter to go with if you are planning to be an early adopter of Kal-El.
With that said, the display was full of light bleeds and that is a major pet peeve of mine. The speakers were not nearly loud enough. I could barely hear a movie on it with the volume at max. With the 10.1, my gf yells at me to turn it down. It had some pretty bad creaking, too.
Do I miss the SD card? Hell yes, but not because of space. The 10.1 is a pain in the ass to mount. I always have to turn USB Debugging on and off. And when you mount it, it's not seen as a removable disk. It's seen as a media device. You can only copy/move one large file at a time and can't even see picture thumbnails. Stupid.
Anyways, I may return it for the TF since I'm really just waiting for the next batch of tablets. Amazon Hollywood anyone?
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Again a post about this booting issue. I actually have no problems with it and see it as a plus. When I connect it to my computer, it recognizes it as a removable disk 100%. It behaves just like any usb flash.
I have Win7 on my computer.
I did:
1. go to control panel, uninstall any samsung usb drivers
2. go to the tab, disable usb debugging.
3. connect both of them. Let the computer do its work on reinstalling the drivers.
Thats it. IT WORKS 100% NOW AS A REMOVABLE DISK. It actually behaves way better than my rooted samsung galaxy fascinate, which requires 3 button presses to confirm you want usb storage mode, and 30% simply wont be recogninzed by the computer. The tab 10.1 works every time without any prompts.
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I think you are confused. The 10.1 will only show as a media device. This is what shows after using the instructions you provided. I have an 8GB flash drive plugged in as well. That is how I wish the 10.1 worked.
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can't you change that in options somewhere? my galaxy s has an option to choose from auto/kies/mass storage when connected to pc. phone mode is for kies software.

I had the Transformer for about three weeks, and then my screen would not display anything. The device was on, as I found out, and the hdmi worked fine so I was able to factory reset it. I was still within the return time for Amazon, but of course the Transformer wasn't in stock. $100 dollars more and one microsd slot less later I has a Samsung Tab.
I didn't think that the weight and thinness would be that noticeable, but I found it rather amazing how different they were. Also, the stability is much better, tho some of the native apps on the Transformer were a little more useful, but that functionality can be found on the market anyway (ahem, remote desktop) and pulse is actually pretty cool. (the samsung tab native news feed)
I'm sure I'm not telling you anything you haven't already read, but all things considered I'm actually happy with the tab. I have a small case for my laptop. The transformer didn't fit without more pressure then I was comfortable with, but the tab slides right in with no encouragement.
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I have actually owned the Asus Transformer and now the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1. Point blank, the Galaxy Tab wins hands down. At first I was reluctant to give up my Transformer because I bought the dock, but after installing Thumb Keyboard, I used the dock less. I hated the lag that occured when typing online with Transformer.
Seriously...there is really no reason to keep the Transformer other than price and built-in media card slots.
The Galaxy Tab 10.1 is marvelous to hold in your hands whereas the Asus Transformer cut into your palms at bit. The GT is lighter and sleek. The screen is remarkably better in terms of quality and responsiveness. There's a plethora of accessories both from Samsung and 3rd parties currently available. There's even a case with a built-in Bluetooth keyboard coming soon if you need a physical keyboard badly.
As for the mounting issues, those are easily fixed by installing the correct drivers from the Samsung website.
Unless you just want to save money or want to be loyal to Asus, there is no reason to be afraid of upgrading (yes upgrading) to the GT 10.1.

Reading comic books?

I've seen conjecture that the 12.2 should be great for reading comic books, but has anyone done so? If so, can you relate the 12.2 comic reading to the 10.1 experience? Have had a Toshiba Thrive for nearly 4 years but time to upgrade. Comic book reading (especially getting an entire page on the screen at one time with large enough text to read it) is important to new purchase. Thanks for feedback.

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I've seen conjecture that the 12.2 should be great for reading comic books, but has anyone done so? If so, can you relate the 12.2 comic reading to the 10.1 experience? Have had a Toshiba Thrive for nearly 3 years but time to upgrade. Comic book reading (especially getting an entire page on the screen at one time with large enough text to read it) is important to new purchase. Thanks for feedback.
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Yes, actually I got one two days ago and I'm still wondering if I keep it or not (don't really need a tab). One of the things I did meanwhile was reading comics. I read several of The Walking Dead comics using the free version of ComicRack, holding the tab vertically. This was one of the few things so far where my 5.5" Note 2 really didn't com close to being useful.
The size is just perfect, very crisp image, really good. You can read the whole page perfectly, using 100% of the screen. I used the volume up/down buttons to skip pages so almost didn't have to move at all.
The only problem is that it is a bit heavy to hold that way, but I guess even a 10 tablet would be, or an 8. None is as comfy a a book. Still, the reading experience itself is excellent.

This is my 3rd tablet, which I primarily use for comics.. I have about 10k comics that I store on it.. I started with the Ipad (which I never liked because of the screen shape), then the Transformer, and now this.. and I am in love.. With the Transformer I had to use a rooted app to use up the entire screen.. That's not needed on this..
The day I got it, I put the same comic up on my 12.2 and 10 inch and what a difference.. Brighter, the text is a little crisper and it gave me that little bit of size bump that I've been wanting for the past few years.. Scrolling the Comicrack menus is super smooth and fast..
I'm not sure why I see so many people saying how heavy this thing is.. After reading some reviews originally, I was worried.. But the 12" is just as heavy as my old 10" It's really not heavy or awkward at all.. Unless you read your books while walking down the street I guess..
For me personally, who owns this just for comics, It's as perfect as it gets..

Thanks to you both. The note 12.2 is only a few grams more than the hefty Thrive. Even though I unlock and root everything, I really don't worry about this device because my son doesn't care. He chose an iPhone because of some music syn. app but didn't even want ipad air because of comic reading. He'd never consider any computer but Apple. For a tablet, it's android. His brother (also imac and macbook pro) says his android N4 provides more productivity for his needs than his iPad 3.
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I also had a Thrive, then a Voyo A15 to read comics...As soon as the 64 gig version is available, I am getting this. I also appreciate the comments above...it seems like this is the tablet I have been waiting for. I might just wait for the LTE version just for the Snapdragon, though. I can't wait to read on this thing!

The size is almost a 1:1 for comic book size. I took a photo of my NP12.2 with an actual comic book over the screen and the screen is slightly taller.
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It's easy to read a comic full page with no zooming/scrolling. Even two page spreads are readable in landscape without much zooming/scrolling needed.
I find the comic reading experience is supurb. (Im using Comic Rack). The screen is just beautiful! Perfectly sharp, colors are vivid and nice inky blacks.
An obvious downside is ephasized when you hold the tablet in portrait... it's heavy! Holding it too far toward the bottom puts the full weight on your hands. To me it's a minor gripe... everything is so nice about this tablet that the weight is an easily acceptable trade off.
For extended reading you'll want a reader with good tap controls to prevent a lot ofawkward balancing-while-swiping due to the weight.
Now I pretty much don't want to read comics on anything else.

If the price was $500 and it was marketed solely as a video viewer/comic book reader, i would tell people to run to their closest store. Reading comics on the note pro 12.2 is the best experience i've had on a tablet. No need to fidget with zooming, just read and swipe pages. Everything is bright, colorful and crsip. The weight is not that bad in my opinion, it weighs about the same as a ipad 3.

I had a Nexus 10 before this and both so far has been great for comics, so whichever you get, the Note 10.1 or the Pro, you should love it. For me, larger is better, so the couple of inches does make a difference.
Also, with the $25 Google Play credit you'll receive, get the full version of ComicRack. Best reader out there.

The screen is great and the few graphic novels I have through the Kindle app look outstanding in full screen, it's just a damn shame that the marvel unlimited app is bad and only utilizes half of the screen. Really hope they fix it, but I'm not holding my breath.
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mva5580 said:
The screen is great and the few graphic novels I have through the Kindle app look outstanding in full screen, it's just a damn shame that the marvel unlimited app is bad and only utilizes half of the screen. Really hope they fix it, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Isn't the marvel unlimited a derivative of the comixology app? That app works fine for me....
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Buji said:
Isn't the marvel unlimited a derivative of the comixology app? That app works fine for me....
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Marvel unlimited is the app for the subscription they offer to their back library as well as comics that have been released a few months back.
That comixology app worked fine, but the unlimited app just doesn't use the whole screen. Not even close, actually. Pretty disappointing that the regular marvel app works properly and the one that requires a subscription of you to use doesn't.

mva5580 said:
The screen is great and the few graphic novels I have through the Kindle app look outstanding in full screen, it's just a damn shame that the marvel unlimited app is bad and only utilizes half of the screen. Really hope they fix it, but I'm not holding my breath.
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I was absolutely shocked at how poor the marvel unlimited app looked on here. I'm really disappointed and hope this gets fixed soon as this is a perfect format for the app if it functions properly. I can deal with the bugs that the android version has always had, it usually just requires a few extra clicks to load something a second or third time, but having the scren size look the same on 7 inch or a 12 inch tablet is too much.
Out of curiosity, what other sources do people use for comics? The marvel unlimited account is my only experience with digital comics and I'm enjoying catching up on series that I haven't read in 20 years but I have a hard time seeing people paying $3-$4 per issue for new digital comics. Is this common? or our there other types of subscription services that people use?

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Out of curiosity, what other sources do people use for comics?
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Me, I use comixology and the dark horse app. Comixology's higher definition comics look amazing on the notepro.
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Haven't decided on 12.2 yet but use Perfect Viewer as we have the files already.
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Here is a review that includes showing how comics look on the note pro if someone need to see it in action to help for a decision http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HbnTSojBJtg
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My Initial Impressions & Pictures!

Hello Pixel C community!!!
Just wanted to give my initial impressions and pictures.
PICTURES
To sum up the initial experience, this device screams premium. It starts with unboxing:
So far everything is really responsive. The screen is brilliant and very bright. There is no lightbleed that I can tell whatsoever. Lightbleed is a BIG pet peeve of mine and this is refreshing to see that it is a non issue. The power and volume buttons have the same feel as the finish and they are firm. There is a tactile (not audible) click to them that I wish more devices have.
The speakers are loud and clear. They do lack in the low end but that is to be expected in phones/tablets in general right now. The mic's for "OK Google" work well close up (about 5ft range) but further than that it only sometimes picks up my command. I think I read down the road they will have support for "OK Google" with the screen off but for now it only works with it on.
The keyboard is very robust. It has a weight to it that builds confidence for travel. When the keyboard is attached to the front of the display the device has a solid and firm feel. It really has that familiar laptop feel when it is closed. Typing on the keyboard is a breeze. I was afraid the thin enter key would give me trouble but so far it has not. I do wish there was a track pad but I was planning on getting a portable mouse (Microsoft Arc Touch) for productivity on the go.
I set this up as a brand new device. After the setup and updates there is about 23.5 GB of storage left over. While charging there is a slight warmth coming off the back. It is charging (as I type) very rapidly. The charge cable is the USB type C and the length is adequate and on par with every other device I have bought.
All in all this is a very nice device so far. I have much to do with it still to get the full feel but right now it is blowing me away! I thought the initial experience of the Nexus 6P was great...This is amazing!
Thanks for reading and let me know if you have any questions or concerns and I will try to address them asap!

Hi! Nice review, what about gaming performance?, I would like to play some exclusive games like mount and blade or trine and I would like to know if it can handle it ,can you play a little with it and tell us ?

Agallardok said:
Hi! Nice review, what about gaming performance?, I would like to play some exclusive games like mount and blade or trine and I would like to know if it can handle it ,can you play a little with it and tell us ?
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I am still testing out everything and getting it how I like it. I will definitely test out gaming soon.

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I am still testing out everything and getting it how I like it. I will definitely test out gaming soon.
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Thanks you for that, I'm really interesting in buy one,but I want to know how it works,I ll alert if you post something here. Regards!!

How much does the tablet wobble when tapping the screen and typing on the keyboard?

Hi, nice to share this with us. I consider buying one, but only when Microsoft Office apps and MobileSheets is working properly. Would you mind testing this? Huge thanks!

Any back light bleed?

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How much does the tablet wobble when tapping the screen and typing on the keyboard?
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There is not much wabble at all when typing with the keyboard while on a hard surface. Taping the display will cause a very slight wobble, a mirco wable if you will. It is really firm though. If it was bad I definetly would notice it and not like it. Im typing with is as we speak and it is a joy really.

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Hi, nice to share this with us. I consider buying one, but only when Microsoft Office apps and MobileSheets is working properly. Would you mind testing this? Huge thanks!
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So far on Android I have only used Google Docs. I have never tried the Microsoft office apps on any of my devices. If I end up using that solution for my needs on this I will let you know. For now Google docs work well for me.

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Any back light bleed?
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Zero backlight bleed. One of the first things I did was crank the brightness up all the way, turn out the lights, and do a backlight bleed test. Nothing. Absolutly nothing. I went through two Nexus 10's before ultametly getting my money back because of backlight bleed. It is a big pet peeve of mine.
The build quality of the Pixel C and its keyboard is excellent.

The VERY first thing I did when I received mine yesterday, was turn off all the lights, and turn the device on. ABSOLUTELY NO LIGHT BLEED. The device feels very sturdy, and built with "Premium" in mind, just like to OP stated. Is there a way to disable the battery light on the back?

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There is not much wabble at all when typing with the keyboard while on a hard surface. Taping the display will cause a very slight wobble, a mirco wable if you will. It is really firm though. If it was bad I definetly would notice it and not like it. Im typing with is as we speak and it is a joy really.
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Awesome! I guess some units had a bad wobble since I remember seeing some videos of some having a lot of wobble and some having none. Hope mine is like yours

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While I'm not the OP, my Pixel C also arrived yesterday. I think ultimately it all depends upon how hard of a typist you may be. For me, this happens to be one of the most stable detachable keyboards I've ever used. It's definitely more stable than my Surface Pro 3 which I currently do most of my labor intensive tasks on .
I will add that the consensus of reviews I read immediately after placing my order cited keyboard lag on their test models. It didn't bother me though since I was primarily concerned with using this as a tablet replacement (for my ancient Google Nexus 10) as opposed to a laptop replacement. All I can say is that I've yet to experience any issues with key lagging or intermittent connectivity. While I did have to refresh my bluetooth scan a couple of times during the initial setup, I'm absolutely loving my keyboard's performance thus far.
There is an OTA update it immediately upon powering that may have something to do with resolving the so-called keyboard lagging. My only nit picks would be the lack of a trackpad, and that it does seem somewhat small. However I attribute that last matter to my previous experience with the Surface Pro 3. The more I use the Pixel C keyboard, the more I like it overall.

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While I'm not the OP, my Pixel C also arrived yesterday. I think ultimately it all depends upon how hard of a typist you may be. For me, this happens to be one of the most stable detachable keyboards I've ever used. It's definitely more stable than my Surface Pro 3 which I currently do most of my labor intensive tasks on .
I will add that the consensus of reviews I read immediately after placing my order cited keyboard lag on their test models. It didn't bother me though since I was primarily concerned with using this as a tablet replacement (for my ancient Google Nexus 10) as opposed to a laptop replacement. All I can say is that I've yet to experience any issues with key lagging or intermittent connectivity. While I did have to refresh my bluetooth scan a couple of times during the initial setup, I'm absolutely loving my keyboard's performance thus far.
There is an OTA update it immediately upon powering that may have something to do with resolving the so-called keyboard lagging. My only nit picks would be the lack of a trackpad, and that it does seem somewhat small. However I attribute that last matter to my previous experience with the Surface Pro 3. The more I use the Pixel C keyboard, the more I like it overall.
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I appreciate your feedback as well I am growing more and more excited to receiving my Pixel C come Monday

Got my Pixel C today too (I'm typing this message out on it). Really impressed with the quality of both the tablet itself as well as the keyboard attachment; top notch all around. Screen is gorgeous, even if it does have a lower PPI than my 2013 Nexus 7 and my Nexus 6. I was worried about this when moving up to a larger size tablet, but so far I have no reason to complain. Haven't had a chance to try out the audio quality through the built-in speakers yet, but I'll watch my daily YouTube videos tonight on it to get an idea of what they sound like.. Not expecting miracles, but as long as they're decent quality, I'll be happy. For any serious listening (movies and such), I'll use my Pendulumic S1+ blutooth headphones.
I'm not going to do much on it tonight, as my USB-C to USB-A cable arrives from Amazon tomorrow, and at that poiint I'll unlock the bootloader, which will wipe the device anyway, so I'm just goinig to be using the bare minimum tonight. I do hope we get root soon, as I need to install an adblocker a.s.a.p. - haven't surfed without one in years outside of work, and I forgot how much of a pain it is!
Really, I'd say the whole unit just exudes quality. I was going to wait for a month or two to see how things progressed before making the final decision to buy one, but I got caught up in the hype when the embargo lifted on Tuesday, and all the reviews, both positive and negative, just reenforced how great this tablet would be for me. Not sorry at all that I went ahead and ordered it right away, and so far, with the little time I've had with it, I'm loving it.
[Edit] Just to throw one criticism out there, I did experience one instance of keyboard lag when typing up this post. Was easy to see as the letters just stopped appearing as I was typing. Stopped, and waited about 15 - 20 seconds, and then everything started back up again. I can see this getting annoying if it happens often enough, and I do hope Google fixes this in an upcoming software patch.

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Zero backlight bleed. One of the first things I did was crank the brightness up all the way, turn out the lights, and do a backlight bleed test. Nothing. Absolutly nothing. I went through two Nexus 10's before ultametly getting my money back because of backlight bleed. It is a big pet peeve of mine.
The build quality of the Pixel C and its keyboard is excellent.
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That's very good to know! My Nexus 9 pissed me off with the craptacular display! Backlight bleed and defective panels, my 9 was a nightmare.

Would you be so kind as to run the Androbench storage benchmark? I am really curious to see how the storage stacks up, speed wise. Nexus devices have historically had pretty piss poor storage performance and I am curious if the Pixel C is any better.

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Would you be so kind as to run the Androbench storage benchmark? I am really curious to see how the storage stacks up, speed wise. Nexus devices have historically had pretty piss poor storage performance and I am curious if the Pixel C is any better.
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Here you go!
http://imgur.com/2TGgU63

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Thank you!
I just ran the same benchmark on my Nexus 6P. It's kind of sad how much slower the Pixel C is, storage-wise. I don't understand why Google wont use a decent memory architecture in their devices...
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oRAirwolf said:
Thank you!
I just ran the same benchmark on my Nexus 6P. It's kind of sad how much slower the Pixel C is, storage-wise. I don't understand why Google wont use a decent memory architecture in their devices...
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It looks like the sequential read is a bit on the slower end compared to the Nexus 6P. I love my N6P :victory:
I will say that the Pixel C is a pretty snappy device though. Much more fluid compared to my Note 10.1 2014 Edition.