Ok what to make of this? Will this run on CDMA or not? Is CDMA synonymous with LTE?
Link here: w3androidcommunity.com/samsung-galaxy-s2-for-preorder-at-getgoods-20110301/
Quote: The Galaxy S2 will run on 4G/LTE networks on HSDPA and HSUPA in a quad band configuration under GSM or dual band under WCDMA.
I can't speak to whether or not it will run LTE as I don't know how Verizon does this or for 4G for that matter as I don't know much about how that works... but the international version (only one available to north america by ordering from abroad) is NOT CDMA. It requires a SIM for it to work, CDMA is non-SIM
Edit: If I am wrong don't crucify me it's just my crude understanding
Its the way I understand it too but the dude has the phone in his hands. Granted, this doesn't make him an expert but it makes me wonder.
dr_w said:
Will this run on CDMA or not? Is CDMA synonymous with LTE?
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The SGSII version that has been announced is a GSM based phone meaning no CDMA.
dr_w said:
Is CDMA synonymous with LTE?
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CDMA does not mean LTE. This is not a LTE phone as it doesn't have the LTE bands to support it.
dr_w said:
Quote: The Galaxy S2 will run on 4G/LTE networks on HSDPA and HSUPA in a quad band configuration under GSM or dual band under WCDMA.
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They probably meant there will be different versions of the phone. One version with quad band GSM (UK version about to be released) and dual band CDMA version that might come out in the future.
That being said, the SGSII uses HSPA+ 21Mbps speeds. Bell Mobility in Canada labels 4G with HSPA+ up to 21-42 Mbps. Check with your carrier for their network speeds. Carriers label HSPA+ with 4G to attract more customers but this is really not 4G, HSPA+ it is an evolution of 3G (basically higher speeds).
Hope that makes sense...
It does make sense. I just wish they'd announce that it's coming to verizon with lte capabilities already. Even if they said it'd be a year, at least I'd know. Thanks for the inputs.
yeah bell is stupid like that... in reality it's more like 3G+ or 3.5G
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I bought this HTC Aria from USA and use it at my country (Indonesia) But unfortunately the signal is capped to search only gprs or edge, cannot hooked to 3G or hsdpa network..
I also have the asian market Aria, that works perfect in "wcdma only" netwotk. It don't have at&t logo on the upper right screen.
Question is how to make this at&t Aria working on my country wcdma network, bcoz I think that hardware already supported.. I just don't know how to hack it
I believe that its all about software or radio file or something like that , so I put my question here in this sub thread.. So sorry if I do a wrong post.
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I think it is more a frequency issue than a lock issue. This is a world phone and no frequencies are locked. But if your carrier doesn't use the same 3G frequencies, it will not work on 3G. The 3G frequencies for the Aria are 850mhz and 1900mhz. Your carrier is probably using 900mhz and 2100mhz for 3G. Your only fix (if this is your issue) is to either buy another phone or change carriers.
Not to threadjack, but do any US carriers use the [apparenlty] more common 900/2100mhz for 3G?
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Not to threadjack, but do any US carriers use the [apparenlty] more common 900/2100mhz for 3G?
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Nope. Neither AT&T or T-Mobile use 900/2100 for their 3G frequencies. AT&T uses 850/1900 and T-Mobile uses 1700(AWS).
The Aria should work
HSPA/UMTS/EDGE/GPRS/GSM; Dual Mode UMTS/HSDPA/HSUPA (1900/850MHZ) & GSM/GPRS/EDGE (Quad band 850/900/1800/1900MHZ); HSDPA/UMTS (3GPP Release 5 Compliant; 7.2 Mbps Enabled) EGPRS Functionality
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It's supposed to be a quad band.
No the HTC aria is not quadband for 3g or hsdpa. Basically there is a US versiont the 850/1900 . In Taiwan they released another version with the 900/2100. So if where you live doesn't have a place that uses the 850/1900 your basically stuck w/ 2g speeds.
Anyone getting the T-Mobile version tomorrow? With CDMA not SIM capable, and AT&T version still up in the air, I think I'm probably going to get one tomorrow!
I've got question regarding T-Mobile's werid 3G band tho. I think Samsung listed T-Mobile's version as AWS 1700/2100. I know 1700 is weird, but is that AWS 2100 same as the 2100 band that the rest of the world use? Sorry it's my first 3G T-mobile device, and looking on wiki or google is just kinda vague
2100MHz is the band used all across Europe as well as large parts of Asia.
So, yes, the T-Mobile one should give you 3G capability in other parts of the world, though if it's locked that may open up other issues.
Step666 said:
2100MHz is the band used all across Europe as well as large parts of Asia.
So, yes, the T-Mobile one should give you 3G capability in other parts of the world, though if it's locked that may open up other issues.
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I had a TMo US G1, and it worked fine on 3G when I returned to the UK. The converse was not true of my TMo UK G2 (HTC Hero), which would only get Edge in the US because it did not support both bands of AWS (1700/2100).
So, I see no reason why a TMo US shouldn't work pretty much everywhere else in the world where 2100 3G is ubiquitous.
Regards,
Dave
Cool thanks, i guess that AWS threw me off. I thought there were a regular 2100, and then T-Mobile's AWS 2100
Step666 said:
2100MHz is the band used all across Europe as well as large parts of Asia.
So, yes, the T-Mobile one should give you 3G capability in other parts of the world, though if it's locked that may open up other issues.
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Actually you're a bit off. Tmo's 3G runs on AWS 1700/2100 band which is not the same 2100 *frequency* as the rest of the world. Tmo uses 1700 for downloads and 2100 for uploads, so both bands (aws/band IV) are needed.
Now Europe (and rest of GSM world) use straight 2100 band for 3G but the exact frequency is not the same as Tmo's.
Basically a Tmo Galaxy Tab will only get you EDGE outside of the US. An ATT Galaxy Tab will get you 3G in the US and the rest of the world (as long as it's sim unlocked, ofcourse).
LordLugard said:
Basically a Tmo Galaxy Tab will only get you EDGE outside of the US. An ATT Galaxy Tab will get you 3G in the US and the rest of the world (as long as it's sim unlocked, ofcourse).
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No, the T-mobile phones give you also 3G in Europe. All AWS chipsets do both Band I (2100) and Band IV (AWS 1700/2100).
I thought the galaxy tab is quad band, so you can simply swap your sim card with another european carrier and it should work on thier frequency
Am I wrong?
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I thought the galaxy tab is quad band, so you can simply swap your sim card with another european carrier and it should work on thier frequency
Am I wrong?
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You're right for 2G, not for 3G
So getting the unlock code for tmobile device and putting AT&T sim card will not give me 3g connectivity (using AT&T network)?
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So getting the unlock code for tmobile device and putting AT&T sim card will not give me 3g connectivity (using AT&T network)?
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No, because it doesn't support the 850 or 1900 MHz bands.
Volker1 said:
No, the T-mobile phones give you also 3G in Europe. All AWS chipsets do both Band I (2100) and Band IV (AWS 1700/2100).
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It will not. Pls do some more reading on the subject. There's a very good writeup on it in these forum. Someone explained it better than I've probably done. If I find it I'll link to it.
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It will not. Pls do some more reading on the subject.
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One could say the same to you.
This is a link to T-Mobile US's support forum, in which someone has had it confirmed from T-Mobile themselves that all devices designed for their network have to be fully compatible with the 2100MHz band, meaning they will give you 3G capabilities in Europe.
Your previous post in which you claim that the 2100MHz band that T-Mobile use is not the same as the 2100MHz band the rest of the world uses is nothing short of ridiculous.
If the band T-Mobile used was different to the one used in the rest of the world, it would not be described as 2100MHz.
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It will not. Pls do some more reading on the subject. There's a very good writeup on it in these forum. Someone explained it better than I've probably done. If I find it I'll link to it.
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Sorry, but as I already said earlier in this thread, my T-Mobile US G1, which is an AWS device, worked perfectly well in the UK with full 3G. Similarly, I know of people who bought TMo Nexus Ones in the US, and these all worked fine in the UK.
That's not to say there isn't some subtle difference which not all chipsets can cater for, but it is certainly true that many TMo US handsets will give 3G capabilities in Europe.
Regards,
Dave
The normal UMTS 2100 is called "Band I" and t-mobile's AWS is called "Band IV":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
The AWS 3G module has already 2100MHz support, so there is no additional hardware necessary to support Band I as well. Theoretically it could be disabled, of course, but then T-mobile wouldn't be able to charge you an arm and a leg if you were to roam outside of the US
Does it work on AT&T's LTE network? Anyone?
The phone does not have LTE hardware/radios. So there is no need to try it.
My mistake. I assumed the Euro version was LTE enabled.
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The phone does not have LTE hardware/radios. So there is no need to try it.
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Totally agree with pops without the 700 or AWS LTE Bands no way jose!
Hi,
I'm also wondering about LTE here in Canada on Rogers. LTE is on 2100 Mhz here. Has anyone tried entering settings and which network types are available? GSM, WCDMA, etc...?
To help clear up some confusion. There is no currently available Galaxy Note for sale that supports LTE. Here is what the European version supports.
GSM/GPRS
Frequencies 850/900/1800/1900
3G/HSPA
Frequencies 850/900/1900/2100 (Quad-Band)
LTE: No
WiMax: No
The upcoming Korean version may have LTE, but we will need to wait and see.
There are over a dozen bands worldwide approved for LTE. Just because a phone has an LTE radio doesn't mean it will work with a specific carrier. Unless they come up with a universal LTE radio that supports a dozen bands we're all kind of screwed as there won't be any roaming and we'll have to buy phones directly from the carriers. VZW and AT&T both use the 700MHz spectrum but because of slight differences in the frequency their radios are not compatible. LTE's going to be a mess.
I am a little confused about some information I found on Verizon's Note 3 Page. It says that the Note 3 will be a CDMA phone but then lists the following bands:
CDMA Data – 1x and EVDO Rev0/RevA
LTE: B13 (700MHz)
Global Ready (GSM/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900; HSPA/UMTS: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz)
(original link: http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/...t&action=viewPhoneDetail&selectedPhoneId=7194)
Does it mean that if sim-unlocked, it can be used internationally, and how, if it doesn't take a sim card? If it can be used internationally, I would much rather buy a Verizon (for the US) instead of AT&T. I use AT&T only because it's a GSM carrier.
I don't have the answer but I can recommend you to contact Samsung wireless. They certainly have much more credibility.
Good luck
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All Verizon 4G LTE devices take SIM cards. They have to, since LTE is based on GSM. Also, historically, Verizon doesn't carrier-lock the LTE/HSPA/GSM part of their 4G LTE phones, so SIM cards from other carriers will work in a Verizon LTE phone out of the box.
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I am a little confused about some information I found on Verizon's Note 3 Page. It says that the Note 3 will be a CDMA phone but then lists the following bands:
CDMA Data – 1x and EVDO Rev0/RevA
LTE: B13 (700MHz)
Global Ready (GSM/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900; HSPA/UMTS: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz)
(original link: http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/...t&action=viewPhoneDetail&selectedPhoneId=7194)
Does it mean that if sim-unlocked, it can be used internationally, and how, if it doesn't take a sim card? If it can be used internationally, I would much rather buy a Verizon (for the US) instead of AT&T. I use AT&T only because it's a GSM carrier.
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I found the answer here, by the Answerer #2. The 4G/Data part of a global ready phone is GSM compatible, and only that part can be locked for data internationally; the calling part will still depend on CDMA in other countries. If that information is accurate, I will stick to an AT&T Note 3.
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All Verizon 4G LTE devices take SIM cards. They have to, since LTE is based on GSM. Also, historically, Verizon doesn't carrier-lock the LTE/HSPA/GSM part of their 4G LTE phones, so SIM cards from other carriers will work in a Verizon LTE phone out of the box.
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Truth be told. LTE has more in command with CDMA in terms of radio/air interfaces. It covered within 3GPP standards (GSM then EDGE, the UMTS, HSDPA, etc). Rather than 3GPP2 for CDMA1x and EVDO. That's why Alcatel Lucent had a leg up on LTE since its deployment is more akin (specterally) to CDMA. But they dropped the ball, and except for the US and Some Asian markets, the rest of the world has 3GPP based networks deployed.
the Simple version, is LTE is not directly compatible with any 2G/3G technology, but since its covered in 3GPP, the standards evolved quicker to ensure GSM/EDGE/HSDPA interworking.
And beyond that.. what most people dont know, that interworking doesnt really work that widespread yet. In the US most mobile handsets operate on dual frequencies (especially all VzW models, ATT models are catching up) so they effectively talk CDMA1x and LTE at the same time. iPhones do not support that capability, but GSM has work arounds to allow talk+data.
i'll go back to me hole now
(btw.. anyone with iOS7 and ATT.. what out you've got problems you dont know about when going back forth from 3G to 4G.. I know since at work we talked about how to fix it..
I believe a rumor was that it has the same LTE baseband chip as the iphone 5s so that you could potentially use the Verizon version on AT&T and T-mobile...any truth to that?
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I found the answer here, by the Answerer #2. The 4G/Data part of a global ready phone is GSM compatible, and only that part can be locked for data internationally; the calling part will still depend on CDMA in other countries. If that information is accurate, I will stick to an AT&T Note 3.
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Not true, I put a T-Mobile SIM in my Verizon Note 2 and made calls, sent texts, and used data on GPRS, EDGE, and HSPA+.
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Not true, I put a T-Mobile SIM in my Verizon Note 2 and made calls, sent texts, and used data on GPRS, EDGE, and HSPA+.
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I have also done it with an ATT sim on my Verizon note 2.
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Not true, I put a T-Mobile SIM in my Verizon Note 2 and made calls, sent texts, and used data on GPRS, EDGE, and HSPA+.
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I have also done it with an ATT sim on my Verizon note 2.
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Nice! Was this native to the stock Rom or is a custom one needed that has this ability "unlocked"?
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Nice! Was this native to the stock Rom or is a custom one needed that has this ability "unlocked"?
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Stock rom, rooted to allow apn editing.
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Global-ready is basically verizon's way of saying that it has a GSM 3G radio as well as a CDMA radio. That allows the phone to operate in Europe where there is no CDMA service. You can purchase international service from Verizon, or purchase a SIM from a European carrier while overseas. All verizon 4G phones have a GSM 4G radio anyway, because LTE is GSM.
(This means that with an LTE carrier in Europe, any 4G Verizon phone can get data in Europe even if they can't place voice calls (VoIP still possible)).
If I am not wrong with what I am saying, Verizon LTE phones only support LTE BAND: 13, which means that IF you are willing to use 4G with different carrier, they have to support LTE band 13. I have tried to use my Verizon Galaxy Note 2 in South Korea, I was only able to use 3G network via WCDMA, I wasn't able to get LTE service at all. Correct me if I am wrong.
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If I am not wrong with what I am saying, Verizon LTE phones only support LTE BAND: 13, which means that IF you are willing to use 4G with different carrier, they have to support LTE band 13. I have tried to use my Verizon Galaxy Note 2 in South Korea, I was only able to use 3G network via WCDMA, I wasn't able to get LTE service at all. Correct me if I am wrong.
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the different N3 variants due in fact support different LTE bands, so you are correct. Minor point not worth nitpicking from earlier post, GSM is not LTE. they both evolved from the same 3GPP standards body, but portions spread spectrum nature of LTE is more similar to CDMA than GSM.
I went to Korea last October, and they wouldn't allow prepaid 4g LTE. They would only allow 3G for prepaid service.
I had a note 2 rooted and custom rom when I went. I'm a US citizen and you have to wait about 2-3 days before you are allowed to sign up for any plan on what they told me.
Spoke to someone who I trust on the inside and was told Verizon has the Note in hand & is testing it.
They are modifying it and working the kinks out. Conservative estimates are that it will release in February 2014...but the absolute latest is April 2014. These are conservative estimates and it could possibly release earlier.
This is good news. If Verizon is testing it, that means they have a version with 700MHz LTE (and likely 1700/2100/2600 as well).
Currently on the fence about buying the European version with its limited LTE capability. Please keep us updated if you hear more!
don't mean to hijack the thread but dont feel this warrants a new thread...
Will the European Note 10.1 LTE work on all AT&Ts bands or will it be limited?
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Will the European Note 10.1 LTE work on all AT&Ts bands or will it be limited?
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It will be limited on LTE. AT&T uses 700MHz and 1700/2100MHz for LTE. I'm unsure if they use 2600MHz as well. The three Canadian carriers use 2600MHz for their 150Mbps LTE Max network, which is has limited coverage in major cities.
The European P605 supports 850/900/1900/2100/2600.
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It will be limited on LTE. AT&T uses 700MHz and 1700/2100MHz for LTE. I'm unsure if they use 2600MHz as well. The three Canadian carriers use 2600MHz for their 150Mbps LTE Max network, which is has limited coverage in major cities.
The European P605 supports 850/900/1900/2100/2600.
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What does limited mean?
I'm not entirely aware of how AT&T's LTE setup is, but according to reports there are some areas where they are using 1900MHz and 2100MHz for LTE signals. The note will have connectivity in those areas. However their main frequencies are 700 and 1700 I believe, so in most areas you wont see an LTE signal.
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I'm not entirely aware of how AT&T's LTE setup is, but according to reports there are some areas where they are using 1900MHz and 2100MHz for LTE signals. The note will have connectivity in those areas. However their main frequencies are 700 and 1700 I believe, so in most areas you wont see an LTE signal.
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I'm in San Diego how do we find out what MHz the area is using?