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feeling sad.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/28/sony-ericsson-xperia-x10-for-atandt-review/
Yup, i just read that and I feel sorry for our X10.but it's common from engadget.Hopefully the 2.1 update will do the X10 justice and bring it to the place it deserves
not until it can shoot laser beam or give us x-ray vision. I doubt 2.1 will even help.
Just wait until sony announce their secret project X.
SONY PSP 2 COMBINE with x10! to form ultimate PSP x10!
Wired's reviewer gives it "7 out of 10", even without Android 2.1
http://www.wired.com/reviews/product/pr_sony_x10
That's what happens when u release a phone in such a large market with so many problems....can't wait to buy the captivate and sell my x10 just not sure ill have any takers
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As good as the X10 is, they deserve all the flack they get for being so slow at releasing the 2.1 update.
I'd take an X10 over a Galaxy S any day but the polish that is lacking in 1.6 compared to 2.1 is quite evident and it can be quite frustrating considering the X10 has very capable hardware.
Every company is slow with major updates.
The UX for the X10 went pretty deep.
It took almost 2 months for an official release with froyo for the nexus one.
Be patient and enjoy a solid phone.
I understand feeling the need to defend the X10, but nothing Engadget said is necessarily wrong. It's no longer a great phone compared to the phones that are out today, and that's what reviews are all about.
When there's loads of phones out there running 2.1/2.2 with 4"+ screens, with multi-touch, and without a laggy skin, what advantage does the x10 really have? None. It may be very well built, and it may run what it does very well, but there are many phones that do all that and more.
Engadget has done nothing to blame....every word in the review is true..
i could not understand the customization being done Sony on 2.1 which is preventing them from releasing it early.
i still dont think that there is a phone out there today that i would choose over the x10. Galaxy, iphone etc... X10 is unique for me in many ways i really love the phone even with 1.6. this review is true but is misleading people towards not liking the phone, and really its one of the best phones out there. they can write the same review but put it in a different way and have people like it like i do. its weird why they do that.
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the review seems fair, when i bought my x10 6 months ago it was the best hardware on the market and that made up for older software.
Now there are quite a few 4"+ screens, 8mp camera's and most new phones have 2.1 or 2.2, the x10 is now in middle/lower half of the high end market.
I think buyers in the high end market expect their device to stay high end for more than 6 months and I personally think 2 years worth of device support is reasonable.
if it wasn't for XDA - i'd be changing my phone every 3 months( as opposed to every 6 - lol)
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As good as the X10 is, they deserve all the flack they get for being so slow at releasing the 2.1 update.
I'd take an X10 over a Galaxy S any day but the polish that is lacking in 1.6 compared to 2.1 is quite evident and it can be quite frustrating considering the X10 has very capable hardware.
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I just have my hands on Samsung Galaxy S and frankly, I don't like the build quality of the phone as it is like any Samsung phones with cheap plastics and the feel is not as great as X10.
Galaxy S do have front camera but it does not have rear LED flash which is always my concern when getting a Camera phone, I can live without the front camera but not without the LED Flash on the rear of the phone.
It does have the front 2 buttons, Menu and Go Back button based on touch sensor which is quite good but the build quality really makes me feel like not touching it for long period.
Till now, I still enjoy playing with my X10 and holding it on my hand to show off though it is still on Android 1.6.
I would get the Iphone for my gf, but not for myself. It's got a nice UI but I don't see what is better about the Iphone compared to the top android phones. The price is just too high.
SE is a good manufacturer, but I think they could use a fresh wind over their company. They make excellent pieces of hardware, but their software is usually not something to write home about.
The reason I chose the X10 over the other phones was because SE doesn't make so many variations of one phone. Just look at the Samsung Omnia. You have over 5 different versions of that one.
I just want a manufacturer to make one phone that does it all. Kind of like SE was claiming they did with the X10. Then they can make one downgraded lower budget version like the X10 mini pro. I think they should've only released the X10 mini pro but then call that one X10 mini.
My sis got the Omnia at that time, and within a short period the Omnia HD appeared. I don't know how she felt, but I would feel a bit scammed...
the review seems fair, when i bought my x10 6 months ago it was the best hardware on the market and that made up for older software.
Now there are quite a few 4"+ screens, 8mp camera's and most new phones have 2.1 or 2.2, the x10 is now in middle/lower half of the high end market.
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tbh, i don't think a lot has changed in the market over the last 6 months. there are no new phones that have say, 1.5/2ghz/tegra/tegra2 processors, 1gb or rom/ram. the x10 has the same specs as the phones that are still coming out now.
the only thing in that was the 2.1 and 2.2, and we're getting an update within a month with the promise of continued support. x10 is equally as high end as the nexus one, which is equally as high end as the captivate which is equally as high end as the droid X. the only real distinguishing features are in terms of aesthetic design, where the x10 clearly wins.
Samsung and Nokia does that, they'll make so many variation of the same model, so they can grab the whole range of buyer. Like for example, the Nokia 5800, they made so many variation of the same hardware specs that I lost count already, they will just change some little thing, remove something, change housing, and it's a different model already. Save them a lot of money on R&D, I guess...
Maybe SE should start doing that too...
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Samsung and Nokia does that, they'll make so many variation of the same model, so they can grab the whole range of buyer. Like for example, the Nokia 5800, they made so many variation of the same hardware specs that I lost count already, they will just change some little thing, remove something, change housing, and it's a different model already. Save them a lot of money on R&D, I guess...
Maybe SE should start doing that too...
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I think SE has made a good move by introducing X10 Mini Pro and X10 Mini to the X10 family as X10 as they are actually capturing different demands from end users as X10 Mini might be targeting at ladies as my sister also like the X10 Mini so much cos it is small and handy for their handbags.
As for the X10 Mini Pro targets to guys or ladies which prefer to have a keyboard but having the same size as the X10 Mini cos some might feel X10 a little bulky to them.
That is my opinion.
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tbh, i don't think a lot has changed in the market over the last 6 months. there are no new phones that have say, 1.5/2ghz/tegra/tegra2 processors, 1gb or rom/ram. the x10 has the same specs as the phones that are still coming out now.
the only thing in that was the 2.1 and 2.2, and we're getting an update within a month with the promise of continued support. x10 is equally as high end as the nexus one, which is equally as high end as the captivate which is equally as high end as the droid X. the only real distinguishing features are in terms of aesthetic design, where the x10 clearly wins.
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Okay, assuming all of that to be true. I could still go out today and buy a phone with the same or very similar specs that already has 2.2 on it, not a mere promise of 2.1.
SE made a mistake by releasing it to the American market before pushing out the 2.1 update. It's a six month old phone with a version of the OS that many (especially among tech journalists) consider antiquated. This might be fine for the X10 Mini's, but for their flagship smartphone? No, that's for a completely different market segment who tend to do a little more research before making a purchase.
Take a look at the X10 mini review on Engadget a couple of days back. It got an excellent review even though it's running 1.6 as well and has lower specifications than the X10 proper. The is because the Mini isn't meant to be a top of the line phone. It excels at what it is meant to do. The X10 proper is meant to be a top of the line Android phone. It does not excel at this, clearly.
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That's what happens when u release a phone in such a large market with so many problems....can't wait to buy the captivate and sell my x10 just not sure ill have any takers
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Good luck. I returned my Captivate to buy the X10. The Samsung is fantastic on paper and has a gorgeous screen. It's not as fantastic in everyday use, though. It's laggy and phone reception is poor. GPS is broken almost completely, but that should be resolved soon. I loved it for a week and then started getting annoyed at all of the little things.
btw, that Engadget review is a joke. Any phone that doesn't have an Apple on it can't get higher than an 8/10 as the iP4 got a 9/10 and nothing could ever top that phone in their minds.
rynoon said:
Okay, assuming all of that to be true. I could still go out today and buy a phone with the same or very similar specs that already has 2.2 on it, not a mere promise of 2.1.
SE made a mistake by releasing it to the American market before pushing out the 2.1 update. It's a six month old phone with a version of the OS that many (especially among tech journalists) consider antiquated. This might be fine for the X10 Mini's, but for their flagship smartphone? No, that's for a completely different market segment who tend to do a little more research before making a purchase.
Take a look at the X10 mini review on Engadget a couple of days back. It got an excellent review even though it's running 1.6 as well and has lower specifications than the X10 proper. The is because the Mini isn't meant to be a top of the line phone. It excels at what it is meant to do. The X10 proper is meant to be a top of the line Android phone. It does not excel at this, clearly.
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The mini off contract actually cost more than the X10 for AT&T that they were reviewing. It's only $350. So with the money being similar there's no way I would pick the mini over the X10.
Sony kinda deserved it. By the time they release the update in September all the other phones would already have 2.2 and perhaps looking into 3.0. Not that I don't like this phone, I love the design, camera, etc. But no MT and an old OS is definately a pulldown.
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The new SE Xperia Arc looks good.
Opinions on which one you would choose...
Personally I will never again buy a Sony Ericsson phone. Ever! Not after the debacle that was the X10.
They have a horrible habit of messing the software up in a big way and then taking ages - if at all - to fix it.
Nah, I'll definitely stick with my DHD I think
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i got rid of my SEx10 for my DHD, now the wait for the 2.1 upgrade for my X10 was well worth it but , i think im going to stick to my DHD for the time being as the ARC would be good should you want an upgrade
Sony means good hardware and horrible software support. By the time Gingerbread was releasing they were finally getting around to updating the X10 to Eclair.
If you are ok with being stuck with the same software version for the next two years I'd say go Sony.
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The Arc looks like a great handset but Sony (along with Samsung and LG in my experience) seem to have a history of failing to support their phones as soon as new ones come out... so personally I'd rule it out because of that.
Still, who needs manufacturer support when we have XDA
I had to get rid of my X10 too, i would not recommend getting an SE phone, at least not at launch.
The x10 was a joke. (Although still the best looking phone ive seen to date)
i have to be honest the Arc was tempting me. It looks absolutely awesome, it has HDMI out which i really wish the DHD could have, and it has this really hyped up camera technology which is great for low light photos i hear (SE cameras are great in general). Also people are praising the screen which is using bravia technology.
But alas, sony's really poor support with software, and thir god aweful ui on their phones is keeping me from getting one. I hear the X10 still doesnt have custom roms on it yet. that's another major drawback for it imo.
I'll be sticking with HTC for now.
Having only just got rid of the x10, i feel sony was a really big let down....custom roms are only just turning up, unlocking the bootloader looks to be very long way away. and the kernel which at this mo can still not be flashed and is holding what could of been a great phone back.Not many Devs working on the handset so it will take longer.
Sony are ment to have good cameras but the x10 was ok ish..
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Personally I will never again buy a Sony Ericsson phone. Ever! Not after the debacle that was the X10.
They have a horrible habit of messing the software up in a big way and then taking ages - if at all - to fix it.
Nah, I'll definitely stick with my DHD I think
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Exactly what I was thinking.
I mean don't get me wrong the X12 looks amzing and feature packed but after what happened to the X10 I don't think I can trust SE again with software updates.
There have been a lot of cool phones been announced at CES but tbh no other manufacturer has made a phone that I personally would want to buy, i'm stuck on HTC! I am really happy with the desire HD!
The main reason for xda exsisted was HTC phones, no other phones gets as much support dev wise, that why I always buy HTC, of course they great hardware and experience. Samsung come a close 2nd these days.
But Sony Arc and even LG Star might look like great phones but with no community support, they are dead in my eyes.
The only other phone I'd consider which isn't HTC or Sammy would be Atrix the new moto phone, but then again moto in Europe has poor support, and they tend have stupid bootloader.
i have a contract up in april and i think i will get the LG star the screen looks so good and a good battery music to my ears
also just incase you think i am anti HTC i have DHD my wife has desire and my little girl has my old HD2 running cm7 gingerbread on nand.
i dumped my x10 after their growing debate on multi touch and its poor battery life
ever since i gotten my DHD i'm so pleased i finally got HTC sense + the HTC keyboard that i didn't need to hack to get
don't think i'll switch back unless the arc has a better battery, i'm not too pleased with my DHD's battery
My wife will be getting the Arc on release as if she got a DHD she would always be confusing hers for mine (as she tends to lose hers a few times a day!).
I'm looking forward to having a play on it. I doubt very much it'd be worth an upgrade from a DHD, but for people on a Desire or below it might be worth a shout. Wife is still on a Hero, so should be a nice big upgrade for her.
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My wife will be getting the Arc on release as if she got a DHD she would always be confusing hers for mine (as she tends to lose hers a few times a day!).
I'm looking forward to having a play on it. I doubt very much it'd be worth an upgrade from a DHD, but for people on a Desire or below it might be worth a shout. Wife is still on a Hero, so should be a nice big upgrade for her.
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Especially true if she isn't an uber geek like most of us are. Normal people aren't overly concerned about being stuck on, say Eclair, if Eclair is providing for them the functionality they require.
However if you know about these forums and frequent them I will bet money you are not a normal user so in that case the X12 is still a bit of a gamble for reasons already discussed. I for one am confident that we will get official Gingerbread with HTC sense this quarter and it wouldn't surprise me if the Desire got it in short order too.
As for X12 users they may well be stuck on Gingerbread forever. That wouldn't be a bad thing because its hard fault Gingerbread it feels like the coming of age for Android to me but when Honeycomb comes I will want it even if the new features don't change the way I use my phone on a daily basis, only because I am a geek and want new features to play with.
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Until Sony releasing an android walkman, am sticking to desire HD
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Especially true if she isn't an uber geek like most of us are. Normal people aren't overly concerned about being stuck on, say Eclair, if Eclair is providing for them the functionality they require.
However if you know about these forums and frequent them I will bet money you are not a normal user so in that case the X12 is still a bit of a gamble for reasons already discussed.
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Yeah, exactly. She won't even let me root her phone so I can put FroYo on it! She even refused to put the OTA to 2.1 on until I begged her as it would fix the things she was moaning about!
So I think the Arc will probably be ideal for her. I'm sticking to my S-OFF, Rooted DHD though
There is a video of the arcs UI in action in engadget and let's just say Sony is still bad with software it looks very slow and lags a bit in the video. I guess don't might work it out before release but the if the x10 is any thing to go buy then I would advise to stay away from the arc.
Imo Sony and any compact for that matter would sell loads more units if they would just put stock android builds on their devices as it stands only HTC sense seems decent and even then I'd prefer stock
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I will not buy a SonyEricsson any time soon again...
I have my X10 lying in a drawer only as a toy, and spare phone...
The fact that Sonyericsson is lightyears behind HTC with firmware and other software, and the fact that they abandon a device like the flagship x10 after only 8 month on the marked, speak for it self...
And when they say that the new ARC is 4 times faster than the old x10, they hide the fact that the x10 also could be more than 4 times faster with optimized and new firmware...! the xda devs have proved that already...
Sonyericsson say they never will update the x10 to android 2,3 or even to 2,2, as they say that the users will gain nothing from that...
So x10 will be stuck on android 2,1...
And ARC users need to expect the same will happen to them also, don't expect to get newer firmware than what you buy the phone with...
The ARC don't even have dualcore, that many other manufacturs are planning to send out now...
I will personal NOT buy it, I would look at the LG X2 or wait for HTC to send out new handsets...
Buy a Sonyericsson and expect to get ****ed by them...
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Never buy or wait for a smartphone from SE. it is simply not worth it.
they promise you whatever you want to hear/read but they fail to deliver in all categories. i bought a p990i and and xperia-x1 and the story is always the same: first they announce a model, then they move the release over and over again up to 6-12 months. they rarely make more then 1 update/hotfix. they fail to upgrade the OS in a reasonable time (if they even consider it). they drop support on phones pretty fast.
service, support and updates: FAIL
i did observe this on: p990i, p1, x1, x10 ...
they even released android 1.6 phones in the US after most other companys switched to frojo ...
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Dual cures core phones are not exciting me much at all. They are worthless until there is an Android os which is optimized for them, and apps won't benefit until they are optimized for dual core.
Just like when the first 64 bit desktop cpu came out. Most people were still using 32 bit os on them until very recently because most software was and still is 32 bit anyway.
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A week ago, I passed on to the XS from my good ol' x10 and think that opinionating would be useful for some of you that are in the decision process. Beware, this will be a long one:
Design: Looks is great. Holds firmly in the hand. Transparent bar is very distinguished. Capacitive dots might rarely be missed or rarely unresponsive though, but very rarely after you get used to. Phone seems a bit big in the beginning but you get used to that after a few days and start to enjoy the bigger screen and higher ppi. However, I don't think I would buy a phone that even is two millimeters longer.
Media: Screen and videos are gorgous and even 30% brightness is more than enough for me. If only it had in-house diverse video playing capabilities. Sound is quite good too. I will not even say a word about the camera quality but be aware that I'm neither an audiophile nor a videophile (is this even a word?). I'm personally against no-card-slot as migrating your files is as easy as inserting the card to another phone in case of phone failure. Anyway, I guess technology is trending toward no-slots, which is also in favour of speed.
Performance: Very fast, even as is (2.3.7?). Battery is better than x10 but could have been better with respect to the duration that passed between the two technologies. By the way, phone is very stable.
Usage experience: Like two different eras when compared to the x10. I had missed multitasking very much since it was almost impossible with x10 after the 2.3 upgrade. You can hear the ringtones from the speaker while headset connected. In-call screen looks better and optimized and smartsearch is very efficient as some of you might already know with x10. I liked the keyboard. One problem is igo fills only some of the screen at the moment due to incompatible resolution. Fast charging is not true as Sony have stated recently that they never said such a specification. Be also aware that your expensive headset might not work as Sony have shifted to another standard, which iphone also utilizes. Nonetheless, I read that some had problems with the bitten fruit headsets, too. But I guess x10'ers are accustomed to headset compatibility issues.
Price/perf.: I will not get into that old-cpu-discussion which is currently irrelevant (or for at least 1.5 years?). Other than gaming, which I don't do, what software would require that in the coming months? And no ics out of the box, is that even a con? How many phones currently officially have it? Is it stable, do all apps support it at the moment?
So, I think that, in current market conditions, it deserves well the money you pay (~€450).
Sorry kiddo, even though I've just ordered one myself, I disagree with you analysis especially about ICS.
While I'm prepared to accept the dual core cpu (not being a gammer myself).
The lack of ICS straight out of the box is a big failure for the phone. Gingerbread is yesterdays man and a phone that's intended as an upgrade should be just that..an upgrade.
We even have the funny situation where the 2011 phones from SE will even spot ICS b4 the 2012 phones. Strange indeed.
SE made a lot of noise last year about being on point with software versions but look a year later, they are back to the same old crap.
I've ordered one...yes...will I keep it....who knows. I'll play with it for a few days and if I notice any real weaknesses in it. It's going straight back.
I am very reluctant to give my money to a company that just seems to refuse to get it and by that I mean the fact that android sells these phones and that's that. These phone manufacturers have been making phones for years since the iPhone came out without making an impression until android came on the scene.
Samsung, htc and others seem to have got it but SE for some inexplicable reason
despite insisting on making android phones refuse to embrace the platform completely.
SE need to stop selling SE phones running android and start releasing android phones made by sony.( if u catch my drift)
Until they make that philosophical shift, they will continue to lag behind.
Xperia s...fantastic display(the best available), great camera, competent hardware specs. But once again released with dated software.
Its not so much gingerbread that I resent, it's the fact that the very same company considering all that happened with the x10, is back making the same stupid stupid mistake.
Once the galaxy s3 gets released, that will be that for the xperia s. All quite on the western front will be the story that's told about it.
In technology sophistication will always win out over design and presentation. Only a small minority will choose style over substance as far as tech goes. They might do that with all else but they won't with tech....not ultimately any way.
if i had the money i would buy it but the hardware seems to average, almost every dual core has the similar specs, and i think that the main disadvantage is to launch a dual core in the era of quad cores...
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Sorry kiddo, even though I've just ordered one myself, I disagree with you analysis especially about ICS.
While I'm prepared to accept the dual core cpu (not being a gammer myself).
The lack of ICS straight out of the box is a big failure for the phone. Gingerbread is yesterdays man and a phone that's intended as an upgrade should be just that..an upgrade.
We even have the funny situation where the 2011 phones from SE will even spot ICS b4 the 2012 phones. Strange indeed.
SE made a lot of noise last year about being on point with software versions but look a year later, they are back to the same old crap.
I've ordered one...yes...will I keep it....who knows. I'll play with it for a few days and if I notice any real weaknesses in it. It's going straight back.
I am very reluctant to give my money to a company that just seems to refuse to get it and by that I mean the fact that android sells these phones and that's that. These phone manufacturers have been making phones for years since the iPhone came out without making an impression until android came on the scene.
Samsung, htc and others seem to have got it but SE for some inexplicable reason
despite insisting on making android phones refuse to embrace the platform completely.
SE need to stop selling SE phones running android and start releasing android phones made by sony.( if u catch my drift)
Until they make that philosophical shift, they will continue to lag behind.
Xperia s...fantastic display(the best available), great camera, competent hardware specs. But once again released with dated software.
Its not so much gingerbread that I resent, it's the fact that the very same company considering all that happened with the x10, is back making the same stupid stupid mistake.
Once the galaxy s3 gets released, that will be that for the xperia s. All quite on the western front will be the story that's told about it.
In technology sophistication will always win out over design and presentation. Only a small minority will choose style over substance as far as tech goes. They might do that with all else but they won't with tech....not ultimately any way.
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Agree about the ICS part, it's a shame that Xperia S doesn't come with ICS out of the box but still for a smartphone at least (not tech in general) I think style is very important too and don't forget its awesome camera so I still find the Xperia S to be a great choice & I disagree completely about it being history when SGS3 is released, There are still a lot of people (like me) who prefer to have a phone with great specs with enough perf & speed for their needs & awesome camera & display rathe than a super fast powerful piece of brick which they won't even need ever to use it to its full potential, and not a fair comparison anyway since sgs3 is a newer phone (relase time-wise)
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Sorry kiddo, even though I've just ordered one myself, I disagree with you analysis especially about ICS.
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Once the galaxy s3 gets released, that will be that for the xperia s. All quite on the western front will be the story that's told about it.
In technology sophistication will always win out over design and presentation. Only a small minority will choose style over substance as far as tech goes. They might do that with all else but they won't with tech....not ultimately any way.
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Son, well, you are totally wrong there. How come iphone sells too many if not for design and presentation? How sophisticated is it?
You also are talking about a phone whose specs are not confirmed and yet to end XS at we-even-not-know-what-release date! Some sense pls. Of course, a few months are long enough for higher tech but then what. There will always be some model with better specs than the former.
XS is a good choice for its price.
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Son, well, you are totally wrong there. How come iphone sells too many if not for design and presentation? How sophisticated is it?
You also are talking about a phone whose specs are not confirmed and yet to end XS at we-even-not-know-what-release date! Some sense pls. Of course, a few months are long enough for higher tech but then what. There will always be some model with better specs than the former.
XS is a good choice for its price.
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He might be talking about a phone that we dont really know about but considering the SGS2 is practically on par with the xperia S, its logical to asume the SGS3 is going to be a beast compared to both thus stomping them in the perf department
Love the Xperia S tough even if i dont have it i agree that the power it has is enough for most needs
But since the phone JUST released, it would have been a smart move to make it ICS ready but i guess theyre not done with their ics update(why do these companies take so long?)
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I disagree with the notion that Sony hasn't learned anything. They even got to the extent of releasing official bootloader unlocking and support the Cyanogenmod community, if that is "refusing to embrace android" i really don't understand what is.
What phones in the market now are ICS out-of-the-box? besides the obvious answer Nexus S of course.
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I disagree with the notion that Sony hasn't learned anything. They even got to the extent of releasing official bootloader unlocking and support the Cyanogenmod community, if that is "refusing to embrace android" i really don't understand what is.
What phones in the market now are ICS out-of-the-box? besides the obvious answer Nexus S of course.
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All of the new phone from all manufactures even hauwei all spoting ICS. HTC, LG.
tHE XPERIA S is the only 2012 phone without ICS.
Unlocking bootloader does not improve your phone...an OS UPGRADE does and on that front sony ericsson are very reluctant participants. It's always one excuse after another.
I've just received my xperia s but right now even though totally blow away by the display and the speed of the device, I am still minded to send it back because of gingerbread.
Unlike most of you, I find gingerbread on this phone just annoying..I mean common gingerbread in 2012?
And as for Apple. They got a head start and have a mass of mindless followers. Most people who I know who own iphones actually believe it to be the best and most sophisticated. They think android is a pale imitation. They are mostly noobs and remain so until they actually get to play with android and then slowly even if not totally their minds begin to change.
Apple as a company especially their iPhone brand is on the way down. The iPhone 4 was their last hoorah.
If you've got apple shares...pity you. I see another bubble exploding just as it did in the nineties against microsoft when apple sacked no other but their marketing man (and I stress marketing because that's what apple are in essence) Steve Jobs
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what nobel prize winning innovation you find in ics that is not there in gb?
i really wanna know what such feature in ics is there on which your oxygen supply is depending on?
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Well if your waiting for Nobel prize winning innovation, then you m must be on some next ****.
Ics has a new task management system that allows you to control running applications almost as well as windows does. That's a big change. Even Sony describe it as a major overhaul.
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Well if your waiting for Nobel prize winning innovation, then you m must be on some next ****.
Ics has a new task management system that allows you to control running applications almost as well as windows does. That's a big change. Even Sony describe it as a major overhaul.
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i have used the arc on gb and ics.both...
ics gives half the battery life of gb...
for me personally that's a downside
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if you ask me to point out a firmware flaw in xperia s, I'll say... its the absence of 3.0 kernel rather.than absence of ics
coz you'll get ics anyways later...but sony will never upgrade kernel (they never do)
and because.it.comes with gb and you get ics later as upgrade, means you have a choice betweem gb(battery life) and ics (performance)....
a phone that.comes with ics doesn't have that choice....
you'll say downgrading is insane....but i did downgrade from vista to xp after getting fed up with it in 2 months....
its not like new version is necessarily better than old version for all needs
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Comparing battery by a beta rom on arc doesn't mean that ics have inferior battery(and that to with sony bloat)
You are doing good dev work now a days but you don't know the benefit of ics over gb?
For me battery life is 2x
Being a daily ics user i can say that
xperia s will get it in 2 months...so what's the difference....
i mean.... its not.like it'll never get ics...
btw all major tech website reviews of ics have noted greater resource usage....hopefuly they are not lying...lol
btw for arc ics will not be that beneficial even in final rom... coz its single core...
ics extracts power of dual core from your phone efficiently...lol that's why you are feeling the boost
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xperia s will get it in 2 months...so what's the difference....
i mean.... its not.like it'll never get ics...
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btw all major tech website reviews of ics have noted greater resource usage....hopefuly they are not lying...lol
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I know but because of features added and some more apps to have a good experience out of the box and not download apps for this or that from market
battery is 2x for me
Self experience is much better than blogs
So am i lying?
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btw for arc ics will not be that beneficial even in final rom... coz its single core...
ics extracts power of dual core from your phone efficiently...lol that's why you are feeling the boost
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Again i am talking about ics, not any phones
and if we take xperia s(which is dual core) is missing that
And HW acceleration is also a much better feature
http://www.androidauthority.com/android-2-3-gingerbread-vs-android-4-0-ice-cream-sandwich-37742/
http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/mobile-ph...ce-cream-sandwich-beats-gingerbread-50006183/
http://www.myhtc.biz/2011/ice-cream-sandwich-android-4-0-features-benefits/
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All of the new phone from all manufactures even hauwei all spoting ICS. HTC, LG.
tHE XPERIA S is the only 2012 phone without ICS.
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XS is in the market since early march and, by the time, there were no official ics phones other than google's.
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Unlocking bootloader does not improve your phone...an OS UPGRADE does...
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Really? That's very new for me. Shame on htc desire developers who developed kernels and cooked roms and made the phone very usable even in 2012. One with open bootloader would not need the sole support of companies and may use whatever rom available by 3rd parties.
Anyway, I don't understand this ics-right-away fixation.
@sahib
well, i cant argue much coz you have more ics experience than me...
but its all like xp vs win 7 debate i guess....
i still have xp to play games on my laptop.... win7 cannot run games at full resolutions on my slow computer....but for everything else, win7 is better....
there is a post on sony mobile.website which outlines where gb is better and where ics is better... i would suggest everyone to look at that post... and then decide on whether to use gb or use ics...
its all about what you want from your phone and which software fulfills your needs most.
and lemme make it clear....I'm not an ics critic....
its great...and it has many awesome new features...but i just wanna say that ics is not that important to make a question of life and death....
(and yes...my personal opinion...everyone's might differ)
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I saw that post on phonearena but its for 2011 devices which have 512 mb ram which causes the problems(and you have sony bloadware like timescape which is huge ram consuming)
But we are in xperia s thread which have 2x ram capacity so no problems
and its not like windows 7 and xp
Ics adds features other than visual changes
like HW acceleration and optimized for dual core phones
The general user does not know or care if he has a S3 or S4/Exynos/A5/etc. To them, if it says dual core, its about the same. What they do care is the screen quality, styling, how it feels in their hands (Quality, shape), and maybe some technical terms/slogans that they feel means anything to them, like Bravia (SuperAMOLED, Retina display, etc). Also many if not most take opinions of peers, or even who is advertising for the phone as guides to their next device. To them, GB is the same as ICS, its Android. Just like iOS, do they really know whats different between iOS? Not really.
You guys are the minority that tweaks and mods their phones, not the majority. Most of my friends have no idea what a ROM is much less kernals and android versions. You saying the X S will fail just because of lack of ICS at launch? Wrong, its selling extremely well in Europe as well as Asia. I actually remember an article stating its mostly sold out in the UK due to its display and styling.
Hardware wise, its not the latest, but it doesn't have to be. Its fast enough, and the screen is good, which affects the user experience the most.
I'm not saying the X S is perfect, but its a good combination of hardware where it matters and software that works well for users. There isn't any ground breaking ICS feature that everyone absolutely needs to have. You are a power user, you might use the task manager more, but most people won't even touch it.
Several of my friends still used 1.6 on their X10s when 2.3 came out. Most people really don't bother with it. Likewise with other phones.
XP/Vista was due to widespread press release of how bad Vista was. To this date most people believe its a horrible OS even though by SP1~2 it was sorted out. Fully patched Vista is performance wise the same as 7, yet no one cares because the name is already bad, hence 7 was rushed out. Mass media and word of mouth = what consumers hear, not some tech forum or blogs. This is also why the iphone is successful. Good ad campaigns are game changers.
Experiences from..
using the X10, Ray, iPhone 4, and played awhile with a Sensation XE. Friends of all sort. Advertising class.
Xperia S came in market in early March so th eproduction of the phone started early this year,which phone had ICS at that time??? all the current XS are made in jan-feb...wait till april and there will be out of box ICS.
I remember wit X10 there was a big issue with the first slot,the USB was glues so breaking off was common,i myself got the phone replaced,lack of HD.but then the later version solved these issues,XS is good but i will wait for te next slot of XS which will have ICS,by that time all the issues regarding XS will also be solved
In the beginning of this topic I like to thank all the people here that helped me and inspired me for the past 6 months and made me love my phone more and use it to the max.
I just got a heartache when I saw the news of jb not coming for our beloved device which is capable unfortunately .sony used their own ways to make the rumors come true .
So I will sell it today I am not a fan of Sony anymore I will buy nexus or s3 or HOX, so goodbye my friends and god bless you all.
Special thanks for :
Aeon
Thilianic
JJdoctor
Pandemic
Jader
Maxio
Besttt
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And many more of you .
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In the beginning of this topic I like to thank all the people here that helped me and inspired me for the past 6 months and made me love my phone more and use it to the max.
I just got a heartache when I saw the news of jb not coming for our beloved device which is capable unfortunately .sony used their own ways to make the rumors come true .
So I will sell it today I am not a fan of Sony anymore I will buy nexus or s3 or HOX, so goodbye my friends and god bless you all.
Special thanks for :
Aeon
Thilianic
JJdoctor
Pandemic
Jader
Maxio
Besttt
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And many more of you .
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I also expected that atlest arc s will get jb
Lot of us won't buy sony again. I'll stick to samsung or maybe LG Nexus 4. A lot of people ask me for advise when buying a new phone, Sony is banned from now on.
Only Sony if they release acceptable hardware with unlocked bootloader. Probably LG or Nexus for me next year.
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this is what i think
i dont know more about this
but as i have noticed and i have seen as weel
compair to SAMSUNG and LG sony is giving at list 2 updates as well as if you take a close look at UI and hardware design then you will realize that sony is making such nice handset of the level where in samsung LG cant even think
one very true incident
in my family most of people are using sony and you all guys wont believe they all have even not update to ics they has to say that its more then enough
so if you think keeping general customer in hand then they all are satisfied
but you for development crezzy genies like you all guys sony should at list provide 4.1.1 or 5.1 to arc s as that is the most and the last expensive handset by SE(sony ericsson)
here i have just shared my opinion i may b wrong or right but this is what i think
I don't like sony because...
- Screens are not so good imho
- Outdated Hardware
- Crappy build quality just lost my arc while jogging and now its screen is cracked and i can pay 130$ haha Never... I'll buy new phone
- Exmor R actually really sucks compared to Note 2 Camera for example
- Really Slow. My arc on stock ics had 0.00MB free RAM.
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Why I hate Sony:
- Screens are all 100% CRAP! arx Screen has 20% Contrast compared to S3, looks really unsharpen
- Outdated Hardware
- Crappy build quality just lost my arc while jogging and now its screen is cracked and i can pay 130$ haha Never... I'll buy new phone
- Exmor R actually really sucks compared to Note 2 Camera for exsample
- Really Slow. My arc on stock ics had 0.00MB free RAM - than Ultimate HD came LOLz
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- Screens are not crap. And it doesn't look unsharpen because of contrast but because of much lower dots-per-inch density. And, comparing an phone released in january 2011 with one released in may 2012... Really?
- Get yourself an Samsung/Apple device, and let it fall while you're jogging. Let us know the result.
- Exmor R Sucks?
- Yes, the ICS update is quite slow, mostly because of laziness of Sony programmers, not because of crappy hardware.
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- Screens are not crap. And it doesn't look unsharpen because of contrast but because of much lower dots-per-inch density. And, comparing an phone released in january 2011 with one released in may 2012... Really?
- Get yourself an Samsung/Apple device, and let it fall while you're jogging. Let us know the result.
- Exmor R Sucks?
- Yes, the ICS update is quite slow, mostly because of laziness of Sony programmers, not because of crappy hardware.
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1. I said it look unsharpen AND low contrast. I hate sony screens
2. Ok. I dropped my iPod 3 times at same day and no probs at all
3. Yes, very high colored Pixels (dont remeber word)
4. Yeah
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My Mighty WhiteHOX has arrived
Goodbye SONY & welcome HTC
Good luck with white hox!
http://gizmodo.com/5931430/htc-one-x-after-4-months-weird-batteries-and-wimpy-gorrillas
Well about the ppl comparing arc s and samsung galaxy s 3 are u ****ing kiding me? ?? 4 cored phone vs single core ? with around 1 and a half year defferance ?Sony was never really good at developers phones.Sony/sony ericsson was good at making beautiful phones and thats what arc is and now xperia T.In my opinion arc s gives all the productivity the main stream user needs.If u were looking for a developer's phone u should have bought nokia n900 or HTC HD 2 and test whatever software u want.I still have friends that are all new software inthusiasts and they are still using hd 2 with ICS on it.So... pls stop crying about sony not adding more and more updates to there 2011 phones.U cant ever compare arc s to sg s2 because s2 got 2 times the proccesor power and if u bought atnt version it got even more soooo ***** please
I just cant believe all these post.
- Sony has a really nice screen, beatiful real color, not amoled that are just strong shiny fakes color, Only for the blacks are better. And outside with the sunlight i dont have problem with my Arc, except sometimes but trust me, all other phone would have the same problem.
- My Arc fell from my bed or desktop thousand of times and it has only a uncolored edge and some lines behind the cover if u look really closly. My bro dropped his Nexus S once and the glass got broke. Its just luck, but for sure isnt bad our screen.
- The camera is something awesome. A bit buggy? well still 1000 better than my friend's Galaxy Nexus.
- Audio quality and all Media services are fantastic. I love the Walkman, the Album, and Video. Are really well done. Listening music with the earplugs makes me enjoy about my choise and i dont need some stupid iPod or Mp3 player.
- Design, i fell in love with it.
- price/quality of the Arc is perfect.
- ICS yes it was buggy but at least we had it, lot of other mobile didnt even get it and are stuck with Froyo or GB, so u can go back to GB to have a smoothest phone and have their same experience and dont have ICS.
And well the outdated hardware is true, but then if u prefer the last quadcore dont complain about the prices. I payed my arc S same price of how much the Galaxy S was. Glad i choose this. and honestly if i have to pay 150 euro for a ****ty phone with 300MB of ram, 600Mhz a 3Mpx camera and 3.5" screen, or 700/800 euro for a quadcore , 4.7" screen and God knows what other useless feature, i prefer 300 euro for such a good quality.
Next time feel free to buy a useless quadcore (they are smartphone...playing N.O.V.A or FB dont really need a 1.5GHz quadcore) that come with ICS, will get JB and LK and then in the middle of 2013 or beggining of 2014 will be the same story again. Samsung/HTC/LG dont update our phone, they suck, never again.
Only the Ram its the only thing that new phones, and also old one needs.
Im sad like all of u, but they need to sell new phones, they dont gain anything by upgrading. Maybe in a future would be nice if they give us the source, but nowdays people changes phones every 6 months, like people who had bought GSII and some months after the GS III and as soon the GS IV will come out, they will buy it. There are always people who will buy the last product, so they just care about creating new things for new consumers. Sony already updated the ICS series. Buggy? then as i already said go back to GB like most of all other 2011 phones.
+1 For Gogobaba behind me even if Arc S kicks GS II ass. For normal phone usage (is not playing games. We arent iPhone users, we buy SMARTphone not Gambeboy) the dual core doesnt show any difference, maybe 0.5 second faster.
BTW my first phone was a Samsung Omnia II: WM 6.x and Samsung top mobile. 1 weeks after that i bought it,all omnia's owner find it out that we werent going to get WP 7.
Did i said Samsung suck or never again windows? no i just enjoyed my phone.
As above, people moan but they're talking about what is now technologically an old phone....
People grumble about lagging and other trivial things but mine for example, flies! Admittedly through the help of some good developers....those who complain surely haven't had it from release because there are some crazy expectations. If you can't afford a fancy top line handset, At least don't moan about the best your budget can afford. I've had one from release and still now there's not anything on any other phone that I can't live without...
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I ditched Sony when I found out downgrading your arc two versions lower bricks the battery gauge.
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Oh yea and I couldn't unlock my bootloader for some reason, just wouldn't let me from the Sony website.
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I totally agree with you. So many butthurt people =j
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I can't believe people buy Sony phones expecting to get a powerhouse, my sister owns a Xperia Arc and she doesn't even knows she can update to ICS (she doesn't even knows what that is) and she is 100% in love with her phone, the reason why I like and will stick to Sony phones are the following:
-Polished, simple and unique UI (I'm looking at you, TouchWiz and however LG's UI is named).
-Beatiful designs. (Kind of personal here, but I mean, SG2 is just a rectangular phone with a button on the center compared to the NXT series).
-Good camera. (at least on my X10a, MK16a and SK17a).
-Unlike other companies, they prove hardware doesn't means good user experience (check iPhone 4 performance [good] and 2011 Xperia performance on GB [good] and LG Optimus Black performance [ugh])
There may be some more reasons I forgot, but seriously, Xperias are very good offerings all around, that's why my next phone will be either Xperia V or P, I mean: good designs, good prize (at least on Xperia P), good camera and good performance.
Besides, I got Galaxy Note 1 with my new contract on March and I really didn't liked it, screen was pretty nice and camera didn't dissapoint, but performance wasn't as smooth as Samsung was claiming, it also got pretty hot, HELL! when I got out of the store the day I got it, it got so hot I had few blue paint on my hand! ._. I sold it in 1 week and got my Xperia Pro and a Laptop with that money. <.<
I agree that Sony has already done its good job to arc, but I dun agree that it has "finish" their job already.
Here is the fact:
- Arc was launched since 2011 Apr
- 4.1 Jelly Bean Source Code Released to AOSP in 2012 Jul, which is 16 months after Arc was available
- Sony(Ericsson) was a member of the Android Alliance which has promised timely Android OS updates for 18 months after device launch, in Google I/O 2011
Unless Sony gives out a strong reason and proof that the hardware of Arc is the inadequacy for the update, I cannot conclude Sony has delivered its best effort to for Arc/2011series
I think sony still better than samsung as the devices are less brickable hardware-wise.
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I agree that Sony has already done its good job to arc, but I dun agree that it has "finish" their job already.
Here is the fact:
- Arc was launched since 2011 Apr
- 4.1 Jelly Bean Source Code Released to AOSP in 2012 Jul, which is 16 months after Arc was available
- Sony(Ericsson) was a member of the Android Alliance which has promised timely Android OS updates for 18 months after device launch, in Google I/O 2011
Unless Sony gives out a strong reason and proof that the hardware of Arc is the inadequacy for the update, I cannot conclude Sony has delivered its best effort to for Arc/2011series
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Couldn't agree more
But I was expecting JB atleast for Arc S.
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Atleast, Arc S should have been updated, no?
Oh lord and even for the newly released ph we have to wait 4-5 months more, when it was supposed to come with JB. And no new about NXT series. Uff, I dont even like Samsung and HTC, and now only way is "Nexus".
Too bad Sony, you asked for it.
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I think Sony users are very lucky and should be happy with their phones. I had an Arc, absolutely loved it. Jumped ship to an LG Optimus 3D and it doesn't even have ICS yet, much less any talk about JB (screw the Open Handset Alliance). Sony ROMs give one of the cleanest, stock-like experiences unlike almost all the other manufacturers which bundle crap like Touchwiz, Optimus UI, Sense etc, which imo is one of the few reasons why the 2011 Xperia devices are able to run ICS so smoothly. I really don't see why people are already complaining because there isn't any phone running JB that is single core AFAIK, especially when the phone is admittedly rather old.
Sony about to unleash four new Android smartphones later this year
Sony has been on quite a roll. At least as far as mobile phone launches are concerned. This year alone, five handsets in different segments have been launched by the company. These range from the high-end Xperia Z and ZL to the mid-range Xperia SP to the low-tier Xperia E and Xperia L. But it seems the company is not stopping at just these five.
According to the rumour, a certain Sony Xperia A, codenamed Dogo, will be added to the Japanese carrier NTT DoCoMo’s line-up sometime in the summer months. It is said to have a 4.6-inch screen and is powered by a Qualcomm Snapdragon 600 processor. Other specs include 2GB of RAM, 32GB of native storage and a 2300 mAh battery capacity. The phone will be water and dust resistant, like the Xperia Z and Tablet Z, and will bring along support for NFC. An IR Blaster is also said to be aboard.
Also on the roadmap is the Sony Xperia UL, which we are dreading to see since it is codenamed Gaga. The phone is said to be very closely based on the Sony Xperia ZL and will also have a Qualcomm Snapdragon 600 under the hood. Other specs that have leaked of the Xperia UL say it will have 32GB of internal storage, 2GB of RAM and a 2300 mAh battery as well as NFC support.
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So they are just gonna churn out phones after phones..Xperia Z will be forgotten even before the end of the year this way..And apart from that..why so many phones? And with same capabilities of XZ? Whats wrong with sony..Htc just learnt its lesson!
Releases of new phones won't make your Z any worse, FYI.
As long as Sony release 4.2.2 and hopefully 5.0 there's nothing wrong with them spamming the market.
Its not just about firmware..If you release so many phones in the market the brand value of a flagship like XZ decreases as your giving same features and water/dust proofing on lower end phones.. what was so unique about XZ? this was one of the key factors.
Well Sony are not going competed in the mobile market only releasing a couple of handsets pair year. If they did they may as well just go home. Think Apple are the only manufacturer that could truly do that at present. Remember Sony are struggling at the moment. So if this is there business strategy then so be it. I still love my XZ price depreciation and all.
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Well company needs to capture the market, Z is already running on an old processor, flagship from HTC and Samsung are using faster processors already, they have to keep up the fight with them. That said i am sure Z will get upgraded to 5.0 and we should not care much about other phones.
XZ does not have an 'old' processor..Yes its S4 Pro but its clocked and implemented in such a way that its 2 time faster than nexus 4 with the same processor.
Everything can be run on an XZ that S4 and HTC one can do..There is nothing they can do extra. The jump from XZ to ONE is 30% and that is just benchmarks..In real life usage you will be able to use any app or game that the HTC ONE plays..Battery endurance test on gsm arena is same 48hr for both..Btw HTC ONE Gl graphics benchmark is just 30 fps..Which is lower than XZ
P.S- XZ is cheaper than HTC ONE AND S4...I got it for 644$ in my country..S4 and HTC ONE are coming for Around 773$
While I do understand you might feel bad that your Z will get outdated soon, you should also understand the situation Sony is in currently.
The Mobile business is THE most crucial business for Sony currently and their future depends on it. If they can consolidate market share further and grab the No.3 spot with a solid lead over HTC, Huawei, ZTE etc it will secure the future of Sony Group as a whole.
So new phones will definitely keep coming this year as Sony needs to survive.
I think it's a bad mistake. Dilution of the brand can never be a good idea. This is not a question about keeping up with the competition, if they wanted to do that, then they should have strived to release the Z with the 600 cpu. Releasing devices with that cpu in September or October will not make any impression because by then all eyes will have turned to the 800 cpu and whatever Qualcomm has to offer after that.
This strategy didn't turn out too well for the Xperia T, the phone that quick time forgot. Even the Xperia S is still regarded by most as Sony's flagship of 2012.
Sony should not get too involved in the spec race, well as far as cpus go anyway. The s4 pro on the Z is plenty fine and it's not it's weakness.
Sony's major problem is software development, everywhere you look the Xperia brand is being let down by software. Whether it be releasing phones with dated os and taking forever to update. The Xperia S is still waiting for JB while the galaxy s2, Samsung's phone of 2011 is about to get it if it hasn't already.
On top of that, you often get very weak software from Sony that takes ages for them to improve.
The software on my Z is its weakest link, whether it be the ui lag or the poor camera software that means you really have to take your time to get the best results from the camera.
Again and again, the hardware is being let down by the software.
Considering how lean and feature poor the Sony software is, it's really shockingly poor that it takes them so long to a) release stable builds and b) roll out updates.
Samsung's touchwiz is packed to the hilt with loads of software additions but yet, Samsung get it out quicker, up to date, and more stable than Sony can dream of right now.
For me, this is where Sony falls down really badly. They really need to bring in some excellent developers to turn things around.
Having a so called flagship waiting almost a year for a software update is just pathetic.
I said it before, I'll reserve my final judgement on the Z until I see the 4.2.2 software because I know it takes Sony linger than most to put out decent and stable software. Also the 4.1 has little or no software additions from Sony with the exception of the new launcher which I think is a bit ridiculous without an overview mode and the stamina mode and new camera app. Everything still looks the same from the gingerbread days.
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Too many new phones will simply mean delayed updates.
The r&d team remains the same.
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Considering how lean and feature poor the Sony software is, it's really shockingly poor that it takes them so long to a) release stable builds and b) roll out updates.
Samsung's touchwiz is packed to the hilt with loads of software additions but yet, Samsung get it out quicker, up to date, and more stable than Sony can dream of right now.
For me, this is where Sony falls down really badly. They really need to bring in some excellent developers to turn things around.
Having a so called flagship waiting almost a year for a software update is just pathetic.
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I agree with your software complaint. The fact the camera takes 3 seconds to open is completely unacceptable, especially considering the Xperia S was so fast at booting up the camera. That said, I don't have too many problems with the software on the Z.
This is my first Sony smartphone, but I've noticed Sony almost always releases phones with outdated software AND dated computing hardware. The Xperia S was the first dual core Sony smartphone (I think) and it was months behind the Sensation, North American S2,and many others, all while having the same processor. Same goes for the Xperia T.
The fact that Sony intends to release so many phones this year probably has something to do with getting their high end devices to as many carriers/countries as possible. For instance, the Xperia Z isn't available in Canada. We're getting the ZL. In any event, coupling Sony's reputation for not releasing timely updates and the fact they're going to allegedly have 4-5 flagship devices this year, I'm not confident we're going to see many significant updates. Hopefully CM is able to keep us up to date!
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It isn't a new thing from Sony anyway... I have never use smartphone other than Sony 's for my entire life and it was since somewhere around x10 to x arc period they started to release phones to different target user like flagship, middle range and budget phones In each year.
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They simply replaced with smartphones their previous portfolio.
And this is natural. Every other OEM does that exept Apple.
This is good for the company to support all the market niches.
Would you rather they release phone to cater for everyone's budget OR be like apple and only sell expensive devices?
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^Seriously! Its not about them releasing multiple phones..Its about them releasing SO MANY phones..
Why not one for budget, mid-range and flagship? This is what i mean!
Simple. To make money. They know that if they release 12 phones in a year, for example, that 3 will sell REALLY well, 6/7 will sell fairly well and the remaining probably won't sell very well. But each one of those is still a sale which means more money for the company.
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The ZL is understandable as it's an experimental device to see how users react to the form factor. If it does well, I'm pretty certain Sony's flagship of 2014 will follow the same style. But if they release another flagship this year, that'll really piss me off, there is no need for a 600 cpu replacement for the Z. The Zs got all the raw power it needs. Flagship devices should stand for a year at least, the successful companies follow that principle. They can release a note style device this year but a new flagship smartphone, that demeans the Xperia brand, not to talk of the consequences for software support. They shouldn't go down that road again. Like I said before, software is their greatest weakness and I'd like to see signs that all resources are consolidated and brought to bare to offer the best possible user experience to a dedicated line of phones. If Sony don't address this software issue soon, I could conceivably go Samsung next year. HTC have proved that they don't quite no which way to go.
I also have a feeling that the gs4 will be the last cheap looking Samsung flagship we'll see. The s5 I expect will be different because it must be obvious to Samsung that that's it's weakest link too.
I also believe that Samsung is slowly beginning to accept that it's own proprietary stuff can't compete. We're likely to see them move away from super amoled to solux LCD displays and from exynos to snapdragon. We can see that happening already as 70% of s4s will use the 600 cpu. I don't think they'll have an exynos that can take on say a 2.3ghz cortex a15 snapdragon 800 cpu.
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What's wrong with releasing 4-6 phones a year ? They need to address the whole market, not only high-end devices, but also low-end, mid-end and entry level. Now people seem to have a problem with too many phones being released... seriously, what the hell has gotten into you people ?
Akiainavas said:
What's wrong with releasing 4-6 phones a year ? They need to address the whole market, not only high-end devices, but also low-end, mid-end and entry level. Now people seem to have a problem with too many phones being released... seriously, what the hell has gotten into you people ?
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But Sony is releasing 4-5 flagship devices. From the looks of it, 3 are coming out with the Qualcomm 600 cpu, and likely another with the Qualcomm 800 at the end of the year. Good for them but I suspect it will leave those of us with Xperia Z and ZL's waiting longer for updates.
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But Sony is releasing 4-5 flagship devices. From the looks of it, 3 are coming out with the Qualcomm 600 cpu, and likely another with the Qualcomm 800 at the end of the year. Good for them but I suspect it will leave those of us with Xperia Z and ZL's waiting longer for updates.
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Then wouldn't the obvious demand is for sony to hire more software engineer than to demands that they stop making more phone?
Other thing from other post is that isn't The other obvious answer on why they cant just release 3 phone a year for different price range is because HTC has done it with their one series and by the looks of it, the strategy fails miserably.
And I think from the time of the arc, sony had released 2 flagship a year, so not sure why people still think they will only do just one. The thing about sony is it main market are where people buy PAYG and without subsidies. So people are really price sensitive. Releasing 2 flagship would land sony as the cheapest but most powerful phone on the block. The Z here in Malaysia can be bought at around us550. Making it slightly more expensive than the nexus 4 and S3. The hTC one and S4 are a cool us200 more. The xperia V, which are much better than the s3 is now at US300, making it even cheaper than the S2.
Interesting enough by doing what a lot of people here hates, sony climb to number 2 spot just behind Samsung, while HTC with their one series experiment that people here seems to love drop even lower. So I guess, they are on the right track.
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All it looks like they're doing is throwing loads of phones out on the market and hoping one sticks and becomes successful.
The more devices they release the more delays it will cause with updates.
Bad move in my opinion but they obviously know better.
You do get the sense though with Sony that once a new mobile comes out their 'previous flagship' is dropped like a sack of *bleep* and it takes forever for anything to be updated.