I'm currently using imilka's Gingerbread Sense nand build (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=989289).
I was reading: http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...72&postcount=7 trying to understand, with little luck.
I have the TMOUS version of the HD2, with the suggested 350 meg partition. I'm also using APP2SD and have everything possible moved to my SD card (which in my case is around 500 megs in 200 or so programs).
I currently have 162 mb available according to APP2SD.
According to Absolute System, I have 350 MB in system, with 9mb free. If I understand correctly - this is used to hold the o/s (this gingerbread build) PLUS any frameworks I can squeeze into the 9mb, like a circle battery or bootup animation.
Absolute System confirms in data I have 162 mb free.
OSMonitor says I have 48 Megs free btw. And I've un-installed things running in the background that I don't need, but looks like the o/s will just leave other programs open - it looks like it tries to leave about 45-50 free at all times.
SO - why am I getting warning that I am low in memory?? I am now using SPB Shell 3D, which does use 35-40 megs of memory (yes, quite a bit) and want to compensate for it.
Is the 162 remaining used only for app installs?
Is the memory running apps like Shell 3D coming from the 350?
Since I have 160 megs free, can I re-allocate say 25-50 megs more to the o/s for Shell 3D and other apps to use?
If I need to re-partition to a different amount, would I then flash say a 400mb over (cause I tried that initially and remember being laughed at for not following post #1 which asked for 350+). If I do this, I presume I can CWR backup, re-flash partition, then restore..?
Another possibility would be to use the SD card option - can I use this method to say make a 2 gig partition for *all* apps on my sd card, and leave *all* internal memory for Android to run?
Help!
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I am having a tough time getting my head around how WM5 reports ROM & RAM uasge. I believe the system has 128MB ROM and 64MB RAM, so...
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I would expect the memory usage to be reported like so:
Storage
Total: 128 MB
In Use: 38.54 MB
Free: 89.46 MB
Program
Total: 64 MB
In Use: 31.73 MB
Free: 32.27 MB
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But instead I get:
Storage
Total: 47.46 MB
In Use: 38.54 MB
Free: 8.92 MB
Program
Total: 44.01 MB
In Use: 31.73 MB
Free: 12.28 MB
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So what happened to 80 MB of ROM (Storage) & 20 MB of RAM (Program)? The image file (nk.nbf) in the OS installer is 80MB in size so it seems that maybe the system subtracts that amount of space and just shows it as not even being there. Am I correct in that deduction? Does that mean that the 38MB of Storage in use is all due to applications that I have installed?
If the above is true, then is the system doing the same thing with the program memory (RAM)? It caculates how much RAM the base system uses, subtracts it from the 64MB total and reports that it isn't even available? If this is the case, why doesn't the system just report 64MB total and show what the system is using? Also, when I use MemMaid to check running processes, it only reports around 11.2MB in use by the running processes. What is using the additional 20MB (in addition to the 20MB that is not even being reported)?
So...
Is there a better way (instead of MemMaid) to see what is eating up the RAM?
I have removed as much as I can find (plug-ins and such) and have it up to around 20MB free with just the essentials running. Of course there may be standard OS stuff & T-Mobile stuff running that isn't really needed, but I cant seem to see any of it. What can I do to free up as much RAM as possible?
I am running the official T-Mobile 2.26 ROM. I assume the cooked ROM images eliminate the "junk" and free up storage space, but do they also free up program memory? If so what can I expect to gain in available RAM over the T-Mobile ROM?
Thanks in Advance,
Dave
is this deja vu or did i have a psychic dream... i swear this exact same post was just covered a few days ago..... maybe its time for me to go to bed
shogunmark said:
is this deja vu or did i have a psychic dream... i swear this exact same post was just covered a few days ago..... maybe its time for me to go to bed
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Yea I posted part of it a few days ago in a thread someone else started, but wasn't getting any responses. I figured I would add more detail and see if anyone has any valuable information to help me out.
This was posted to me by another member here when I was having some troubles.. perhaps it can help you in some way...
its a program called where is my ram
check it out...
-James
c-pimp said:
This was posted to me by another member here when I was having some troubles.. perhaps it can help you in some way...
its a program called where is my ram
check it out...
-James
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Thanks, but that wasn't any help. It would shows what is being used in "Storage", but didn't show anything in the way of "Program" (RAM) usage. Even though it let you choose between RAM & ROM, it only is only looking at Storage. For instance when I selected to show only RAM it still showed the contents of my SD card.
Sl33p3r said:
c-pimp said:
This was posted to me by another member here when I was having some troubles.. perhaps it can help you in some way...
its a program called where is my ram
check it out...
-James
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Thanks, but that wasn't any help. It would shows what is being used in "Storage", but didn't show anything in the way of "Program" (RAM) usage. Even though it let you choose between RAM & ROM, it only is only looking at Storage. For instance when I selected to show only RAM it still showed the contents of my SD card.
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If you look real close windows consumes almost 78MB itself that's where a good junk has gone!
I have only 120mb of 180 for programs or similar on the device.
Is not very low? It have 512mb, maybe 200 for the rom or so, but 380 in use and only 120 for the user?
WWE ROM is around 280MB AFAIK. I don't know what language ROM you are using, but it definitely shouldn't use 380 MB. You should have slightly less than 200MB available.
vangrieg said:
WWE ROM is around 280MB AFAIK. I don't know what language ROM you are using, but it definitely shouldn't use 380 MB. You should have slightly less than 200MB available.
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Storage size to user is 181.6MB. However it looks like HTC install some apps that use some of this. I have only installed spb wireless monitor, resco explorer and a few other small bits and im down to 105MB
That's annoying. There are things that don't belong in ROM such as navigation software, or the silly Navipanel thingie, and some other stuff that can save around 20-30 megs in a custom ROM. Taking a brief look at the files, I can see how I can free up another 20 or 30 megs by removing other stuff without losing any functionality or the goodies. So custom ROMs will certainly improve things a bit without becoming "lite" or introducing bugs... However, it certainly sucks that they made such a device with such a small storage.
guys kick back, chill out and listen to your selves for a bit, you're complaining because you have over 100 mb of *storage space* left, that's not program memory that's unused wasted space you've paid for and aren't using! LOL
When you're down to 2mb then start worrying about it?
plus there's a 2GB microSD card in the box, not the usual 32 MB card you'd get with your latest 5 MP compact camera.
I ordered myself a 16 GB card to go along anyway. Where are those 32 GB microSD cards SanDisk anounced in spring 2008 anyways?
fards said:
guys kick back, chill out and listen to your selves for a bit, you're complaining because you have over 100 mb of *storage space* left, that's not program memory that's unused wasted space you've paid for and aren't using! LOL
When you're down to 2mb then start worrying about it?
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i had to hard reset my phone because the second day my memory was full
i couldn't install mobile shell 3.5
so, i think its an issue
I think this is an issue too.
I've only installed 1/2 the apps I had on my HD, and I've got just over 20MB left. I had shed-loads left on the HD, even after installing everything I want!
Don't want to start flashing ROMs on a brand new phone, but maybe a lite version is the way to go.
Just have to wait and see what the chefs cook up.
fards said:
guys kick back, chill out and listen to your selves for a bit, you're complaining because you have over 100 mb of *storage space* left, that's not program memory that's unused wasted space you've paid for and aren't using!
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On my Touch HD I'm using around 180 megs of internal storage, and I don't store any documents, photos, videos or any other user files there, my SatNav app is on the storage card. So this is all taken by mail and apps.
johncmolyneux said:
maybe a lite version is the way to go.
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In this case lite ROMs seem to be the only reasonable way to go. Like I said earlier, it's easy to free up some 50-60 megs (even more actually if we remove sample pictures, some ringtones etc.) without losing functionality, and keeping the ROM quite "full". SatNav just has nothing to do in internal memory when you have 512 megs of it, I don't know what they were thinking putting it there.
don't forget to change the cache in opera to your storage card as it is set to default on internal. Also of course use storage card for mail attachments.
i have around 100 apps installed and only have around 88 megs free internal. is that normal. and how can i free more. i use the clear cache for root user and it seems to do a little.
pitmanr2003 said:
i have around 100 apps installed and only have around 88 megs free internal. is that normal. and how can i free more. i use the clear cache for root user and it seems to do a little.
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With a fresh clean install I sit at about 140 megs free. Once you factor in the cache that build up and everything it's probably closer to 100. You have 100 apps installed and only lost about 12 megs (thanks to apps2sd). It's normal. Why do you need or want more? Based on that you could install 660 more apps before you ran out of free space.
ok just wandering. making sure its normal. is there a app that can keep programs from auto starting. i downloaded one, but it messed with something important that i cant remember at this time. wouldnt let it run
There's also an app called "TA Utility" on the market that lets you move the cache (browser, market, maps etc.) to the SD card as well.
now im down to like 54mb of memory. thats crazy.
Here's a problem I don't understand:
How are most ppl able to install so many things on their HD2 and not use up memory space?
So my HD2 has a total of 193.43MB of Storage and 457.01MB of Program.
When I install games and programs and apps, I install them on the device. This takes up "Storage" memory.
I guess, what is the difference? And how can I choose between where (On device or micro) to install each type of game, apps, program?
1) What uses Program memory? What uses Storage memory?
2) If I install a game on the microSD, and do a flash to a new ROM, will I have to re-install the game on the microSD again?
You should keep a basic strategy:
Whatever prog belongs to the operating system (like HTCSense-hacks, GUIs etc.) or should work without storage card:
Install it to the main memory
Whatever prog is not operating system critical (games, browsers, navi-software, apps, photos, videos etc.):
Install it on the SD-Card (the setup in 99% allows You to choose between main memory and Storage Card). It will eat up little by little Your RAM (by adding values in the registry, icons regs in the startup-menu), but this might centuries ´till RAM is full.
Move Cashes to SD-card as described in
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=583638
and try to keep main data memory above 50 MB.
Maybe installing progs to the SD-Card might make progs a litlle bit slower (not much though) but this way You can install hundreds of apps on Your HD2 (and never forget: before installing a new prog make a full backup of the main memory e.g. with SPB-Backup and if the new prog crashes Your device restore. Also for this it is ALWAYS better to install a new app to SD-Card instead main mem).
lemonspeakers said:
Here's a problem I don't understand:
How are most ppl able to install so many things on their HD2 and not use up memory space?
So my HD2 has a total of 193.43MB of Storage and 457.01MB of Program.
When I install games and programs and apps, I install them on the device. This takes up "Storage" memory.
I guess, what is the difference? And how can I choose between where (On device or micro) to install each type of game, apps, program?
1) What uses Program memory? What uses Storage memory?
2) If I install a game on the microSD, and do a flash to a new ROM, will I have to re-install the game on the microSD again?
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Program memory is RAM that is used by the operating system when executing programs.
Storage memory is where apps are installed and are then available through your icon links.
Calls are made from ROM to storage and then executed in RAM.
There are a number of issues to bear in mind when deciding where to install apps.
Installing to mem card results in slower operation of the app.
Installing to mem card results in higher power usage and therefore drains the battery quicker.
Installing to mem card can result in operating system freezes and overall slowdowns.
Installing to mem card will establish app links with the operating system that won't necessarily be usable if you flash other OS ROMs. Fresh reinstallation of apps should always be done after a flash of any new ROM anyway to keep things clean and running smoothly and reduce operational glitches to a minimum.
Any backup and restore software should only be used when restoring to the same
ROM and never across a ROM change. Sync all items you can before and resync afterwards.
Only install to mem card those apps that force you to or when you have run out of main storage and similarly have no choice.
If you know you are going to install masses of apps from the outset then as had been mentioned install operating system critical apps to main mem and the rest as you can using mem card last.
This is all good practice and good housekeeping.
Great Post !
Great thread !!!
I always wonder if Storage and program memory can be modified.
It was a long long long time ago, it was possible with my palm pilot...
Is there an application for monitoring RAM usage ?
I have about 190 Mo of free Ram and 39 Mo of free program memory.
woaloo said:
Great thread !!!
I always wonder if Storage and program memory can be modified.
It was a long long long time ago, it was possible with my palm pilot...
Is there an application for monitoring RAM usage ?
I have about 190 Mo of free Ram and 39 Mo of free program memory.
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There is no real reason to monitor any mem usage unless you operate in a memory hungry fashion. And that will only occur with the install of numerous apps. If you run out of storage mem then that's the time to do something about it and if that doesn't happen, then don't worry about it because your phone won't know the difference.
HTC Mytouch 32B
Froyobylaszlo
CC @ 18% / VMH @ 32M
256MB ext4 / 0 swap (swap not enabled)
Home and Messaging locked
very few small apps installed
First off, quick question. Anyone know why My phone RAM is Completely spent? It constantly sits around 15MB free of 110MB. Larger games wont load and just crash at the loading screen to the home screen, other games are lagy at times. If this was a computer I would say its a ram issue and I am running out of usable ram. Any ideas?? I just want to get this phone working so I can sell the headache. So far this ROM seems to run awesome and has none of the issues I experienced with the other ROMS except when put under load.
64MB swap and still no change
still curious as to why my RAM is spent..... Installed a RAM app and confirmed 15-20MB available of 115MB. I used this app to kill the running precesses and it brought me up to 45MB free but it gradualy dropped back down to 15-20 free. Even with all services Killed, including the system sevices, I was still at 45MB free of 115MB. What is using the other 70MB? Anyone?
SD-Ext
Total Space
229MB
Available Space
211
Internal Phone Storage
Total Space
296MB
Available Space
199MB
Mem info
Total
110MB
Available
15MB
Please someone explain this to me! Is the Mem info not the RAM? Why is it constantly spent?