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[Oct 31]Steve's MeeGo on HD2 Updates .

Hi,
This thread is now for MeeGo's Status, It'll be updated as soon as anything new comes up. (If you have any updates please post them here along with the source link) and I'll update the OP.
Please thank Steve (Strougthonsmith) as well as DFT for the great time they're spending on porting this awesome OS to our HD2s.
Updates :
[Jan 2] Now a video is available from Steve
[Jan 9] Wifi is working properly ! [Not via UI yet]
[Jan 22] Speed improved dramatically with a Video !!
[Jan 23] Unfortunately, Cotulla (& DFT) have suspended Meego's Development (till April ? ) for some reasons.
[Feb 01]Will be released before April, maybe in the next few days ?
[Feb 07]Not really an update, just a few more details.
[Mar 05]More and more details .
[Apr 06]Unfortunately, won't be released as expected, click for more info ..
[May 18]No progress has been made since November.
[Oct 31]Steve clarifies some things, and let's just not lose faith
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Notes ! :
*It's not released yet and no ETA, but you can Donate to Steve through his personal page or Cotulla through his personal page.
*We are not signing people up, and the poll is closed as well, these are just updates.
*I did nothing ! ..all the Thanks should go to any of Steve's posts, not me (not this post !).
*Still alot to be fixed. Even if it is released, don't expect it to be a daily-use OS (for now) .
*Current Bugs' list Provided by Cotulla .
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Steve's Blog !

Spent the day messing with my phone instead of celebrating the new year's. After a lame attempt at getting MeeGo on it myself, hell yes I'm in for any testing.

ooooh yeahhhh!!!..i dont really fancy the meego os, but then again...i didnt fancy android either, and now its my primary os

schunniky said:
Spent the day messing with my phone instead of celebrating the new year's. After a lame attempt at getting MeeGo on it myself, hell yes I'm in for any testing.
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Lizzo said:
ooooh yeahhhh!!!..i dont really fancy the meego os, but then again...i didnt fancy android either, and now its my primary os
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Thank you and all who voted yes for your support.
When we reach 100 yes-voters I will contact him demanding the instructions
Keep voting !! 76 more votes to go

kawazaki said:
Thank you and all who voted yes for your support.
When we reach 100 yes-voters I will contact him demanding the instructions
Keep voting !! 76 more votes to go
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I plan on posting the image as soon as I get the touchscreen working correctly, and WiFi would be a bonus too. Still figuring it all out, but I can guarantee you'd be disappointed if I released right now

stroughtonsmith said:
I plan on posting the image as soon as I get the touchscreen working correctly, and WiFi would be a bonus too. Still figuring it all out, but I can guarantee you'd be disappointed if I released right now
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Actually I do know that it's not fully working and most of the features are not working but I want to contribute in developing, I can be much of a help in feedbacking ? we all can !
So I won't be disappointed because I already know how will it look like
So now since this thread prooved so many people want MeeGo I ask you kindly to release it and you can update it regulary and I really appreciate it, we all do

kawazaki said:
Actually I do know that it's not fully working and most of the features are not working but I want to contribute in developing, I can be much of a help in feedbacking ? we all can !
So I won't be disappointed because I already know how will it look like
So now since this thread prooved so many people want MeeGo I ask you kindly to release it and you can update it regulary and I really appreciate it, we all do
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+1 i also wanna contribute in the developing

kawazaki said:
Actually I do know that it's not fully working and most of the features are not working but I want to contribute in developing, I can be much of a help in feedbacking ? we all can !
So I won't be disappointed because I already know how will it look like
So now since this thread prooved so many people want MeeGo I ask you kindly to release it and you can update it regulary and I really appreciate it, we all do
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What's the best way to host a 600MB file for you guys?

as long as i can brick my phone (which seems impossible) i am also ready to try!

who wouldnt want to mess with a new OS for the HD2?!

Torrent
stroughtonsmith said:
What's the best way to host a 600MB file for you guys?
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I think a torrent would be best, that way we wouldn't have to download it all at once

I'm just curious, what are the advantages of meego over ios, winmo, or even android?

lude219 said:
I'm just curious, what are the advantages of meego over ios, winmo, or even android?
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MeeGo is a full Linux distribution, using X11, so it's very portable. Both Nokia and Intel will be putting a lot of effort into MeeGo to make it perfect for phones and tablets, and it's super slick and multi-touch enabled, etc.

I agree with the rest steve this is how it would most likely play out if you release it now
if you release it now you open many doors to lots of other devs ready to tweak it and improve it just look how far android has come in less than 6 months i mean we have fully functional builds and by different devs each improving in other words if ya notice when mdeejay would release a fix for something no one else could find darkstone would implement it on his next build or vice versa. so by releasing this beta stage of meego you open many opportunities and most likely speed up the process. PLEASE STEVE RELEASE AN ALPHA BUILD WE ALL KNOW WHAT WERE GOING TO EXPECT remember android builds that were extremely unstable? im sure i speak for alot of people
(or atleaste update us with videos on how its going if you dont want to release an alpha build) YOUR STILL THE BEST ive been wanting meego over android for a long time now

crisiscore_08 said:
I agree with the rest steve this is how it would most likely play out if you release it now
if you release it now you open many doors to lots of other devs ready to tweak it and improve it just look how far android has come in less than 6 months i mean we have fully functional builds and by different devs each improving in other words if ya notice when mdeejay would release a fix for something no one else could find darkstone would implement it on his next build or vice versa. so by releasing this beta stage of meego you open many opportunities and most likely speed up the process. PLEASE STEVE RELEASE AN ALPHA BUILD WE ALL KNOW WHAT WERE GOING TO EXPECT remember android builds that were extremely unstable? im sure i speak for alot of people
(or atleaste update us with videos on how its going if you dont want to release an alpha build) YOUR STILL THE BEST ive been wanting meego over android for a long time now
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I'm getting help with the touchscreen stuff, so won't be releasing anything until I know it's working perfectly. Might take a couple days, be patient!

I'd love to see meego on my HD2! I was actually really torn between the Hd2 and n900 when I was looking for a new phone. Loved the looks of maemo and possibilities of meego but couldn't get past the n900's hardware

stroughtonsmith said:
I'm getting help with the touchscreen stuff, so won't be releasing anything until I know it's working perfectly. Might take a couple days, be patient!
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noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo now i wont be sleeping for a few days

Very Keen - sign me up!

Intrested too

stroughtonsmith said:
I'm getting help with the touchscreen stuff, so won't be releasing anything until I know it's working perfectly. Might take a couple days, be patient!
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I'll be patient, I'll be patient
Meanwhile, about all this homework I've got piled up for uni...

donation thread to encourage developers to make a gingerbread rom?

what do you guys think about starting this? id think it would stimulate rom development for our streaks. id be up for donating. i pitched the idea in the irc chat room hoping for some honest feedback, but i dont think djsteve wanted people stepping on his territory so he banned me from chatting. i was only trying to help! im sorry.

let me clear this up
i banned you as you were attempting to suggest that i am not working on gingerbread (i actually am if you had bothered to look at my twitter the last 2 days) and als osuggesting that all the working i have put into themeing is ugly and useless and tried to say that i shouldn be adding them, to which i told you to do it yourself then when you continued going on about it earned a ban, i never once said anything regarding gingerbread (other than its utter ****e anyway and not useful on the streak imho)
and to prove a point attached a screenie of 2.3 on streak

As Bounty,s never seem to work i will close this thread

i would like to apologize to djsteve. i didnt mean to imply that you werent working on a gingerbread rom, though you are giving me mixed feelings on the subject though with your latest comment. as far as i understood, you wherent planning on a gingerbread rom, and wasnt capable of producing one. i was just trying to get more developers in to help. i dont use twitter and havent seen yours in more 2 days so i didnt know what you where up to. could you just let me know next time without the name calling and bans. if it would help get gingerbread on, i could even donate money to you. i would work on it myself but ive had less than with success on building my own roms.
you can relock this thread, thanks for unlocking so i could apologize. youre a good moderator lufc.

i said i wudn be making a gingerbread rom as the changes required to the touchscreen driver to make it useable would not be worthwhile at that time, but the new alpha kernel dell let me have solves said issue

oh awesome. i just tried to check your twitter. theres so much on there i dont even know how to sort it. >_<

ok ill save you time, attaching the recent 2 pics i posted, the touchscreen driver has needed to be totally rewritten to work on 2.3+ so it would of not been worth my time to hack at previously is all i was meaning

Just curious, with the new touchscreen driver, does this make MIUI, Cyanogenmod, etc much easier to build? The alpha kernel supplies a big piece of the puzzle, correct?
Thanks for all your work. Hopefully it's proving to be rewarding

not really, the new driver only works on 2.3+ builds

At least with MIUI, you dont build it, you hack it. They dont release their sources so any ports to non-supported devices are hacked from the orig files.

DJ_Steve said:
not really, the new driver only works on 2.3+ builds
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Since you said that the new drivers are from an alpha kernel Dell let you have, does that suggest that Dell will continue to support our Streak and maybe even release an official Gingerbread or HoneyComb rom? Or do you think that Dell may supply you with any HoneyComb supported drivers? Also, thanks for all your hard work DJ_Steve.

[Gen8] ICS on Gen8 (A70S) preview

Hi All,
Here is a quick preview of my first ICS build running on my A70S:
It's smoother than my initial run, I figured that 3D drivers were not kicked in when I made the comment on my other thread.
It's quite smooth even though there is some slowness from time to time. As it is, it's not usable, there are some crashes because network and sound are not working, but it's quite encouraging.
I may focus on Gen8 more than Gen9 finally as Gen9 will have Archos upgrade. Currently, only 3D and touchscreen are working... Don't expect much, I don't have enough time to work on this to make significant progress quickly.

Great...finally is something!!!
I you want some help, tell me....ok?

Looks great, that launcher is really smooth and it looks like a completely new OS.
Is there any chance that other talented developers working on the Archos will also jump on this with you? $aur0n, divx118, chulri?

God i cant wait for this give me wifi and i will be happy whats ram usage like?

for the buzz
http://www.jbmm.fr/?p=24894

Well, as expected, ram usage is sky high but it's almost untuned... I don't know yet if we can make progress regarding this.
I want first to have wifi and audio working, it should give enough stability to start playing with it. Then, todo list is huge...
Things that are going to be difficult is hdmi, ics doesn't like much the current clone model, and supporting other tablets as kernel changes are required for touch screen.
We'll see... Too bad that I have a job

Awesome!
Great work man! Looking forward to a full release_
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YES!
This... Is amazing.. I never thought I'd see the day where even Honeycomb was running on the tablet. I really hope the main devs here see this and maybe combine. It's awesome having such a fine-tuned and packed UrukDroid, and it's pretty great finally seeing Gingerbread on our devices, but I think this is the true goal now!.. But that's just me

Hey letama,
now i know what you meant with good news coming...
letama said:
It's smoother than my initial run, I figured that 3D drivers were not kicked in when I made the comment on my other thread.
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Could you tell, which driver set you integrated?
I also searched for ICS distributions for OMAP3630 base devices.
Couldn't find any 3D libraries yet...
letama said:
It's quite smooth even though there is some slowness from time to time. As it is, it's not usable, there are some crashes because network and sound are not working, but it's quite encouraging.
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Am i right by assuming you used the 2.6.35 kernel sources?
I guess we'll need some efforts in the drivers, especially the tiwlan stuff, which should be build externally.
letama said:
I may focus on Gen8 more than Gen9 finally as Gen9 will have Archos upgrade. Currently, only 3D and touchscreen are working... Don't expect much, I don't have enough time to work on this to make significant progress quickly.
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This is a start... and a pretty amazing one!!!
Hopefully i'll find some time the next weeks to look into the kernel sources more intensely.
Anyway, it will be no easy task to add the missing parts.
For the HDMI i guess there is a dead end, because there's still one proprietary module which might not work with newer kernel.
Maybe it could work on top of the GPL'ed parts which where published and might get compiled for newer kernel.
But who cares now...
Really impressive work!!!
Congratulations and best regards,
scholbert

Can you upload the rom just for testing features of ics ? It looks very good, great job !

Hi Scholbert!
scholbert said:
now i know what you meant with good news coming...
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scholbert said:
Could you tell, which driver set you integrated?
I also searched for ICS distributions for OMAP3630 base devices.
Couldn't find any 3D libraries yet...
Am i right by assuming you used the 2.6.35 kernel sources?
I guess we'll need some efforts in the drivers, especially the tiwlan stuff, which should be build externally.
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No, in fact, this is 2.6.29 with Archos 3D binaries. ICS is patched to support old drivers, partly the same way it has been done in cm9 for other devices. I didn't test the .35 yet, I suspended my work on it in the middle, I'm not even sure touchscreen was working.
.35 would be good, I'm having few crashes in 3D drivers currently. I'm not sure yet if they're related to memory or bad interaction somewhere, still trying to get audio and wifi first.
Wifi should be relatively easy, i'm not very far. Audio is more complex, I tried simple solutions and it won't cut it, but with TI and Nexus S sources, we should be able to do something. Could take time though.
For the HDMI i guess there is a dead end, because there's still one proprietary module which might not work with newer kernel.
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Well, with the new A70s coming with Honeycomb, we may be able to steal some binaries for 2.6.35 (or even 3.0 if Archos upgrade them to ICS). They're also 3630, and we should get the kernel source code someday.
scholbert said:
Congratulations and best regards,
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Thanks!

arkade91 said:
Can you upload the rom just for testing features of ics ? It looks very good, great job !
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Well, as it is, it's not usable. It crashes a lot and you can't do much without network.
I'd like to have at least wifi and if I can sound. Wifi to be able to do something with the tablet, sound because lots of crashes and slowness are coming from missing sound.
If it takes too much time, I'll release it but be warned that it's worthless currently.

letama said:
Well, as it is, it's not usable. It crashes a lot and you can't do much without network.
I'd like to have at least wifi and if I can sound. Wifi to be able to do something with the tablet, sound because lots of crashes and slowness are coming from missing sound.
If it takes too much time, I'll release it but be warned that it's worthless currently.
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Yes you're right, i hoped never get honeycomb or ICS on our tablet... take your time, it's already a very good news that ics running on our old archos gen8 ... THANKS !
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Where can I donate?!?
Very good work, I never thought that this would happen.
Honeycomb was not realistic but now I have hope for something better

Thanks GPhenom for thinking about donation, but I can't accept for now, I'm not even sure I'll be able to release something.
We'll see, but there is lots of work before having something usable.

Promising start man! Kudos for getting it running at all
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This look cool
Can you make source repo (git) for this please
I would like to build it and test to get wifi and so working
and good work

Cool! Hope to see a first alpha

Sweet, buying a Archos 70 (hopefully Gen8, got to look that up first) today. Just awesome work dude!

AlphaTime said:
Can you make source repo (git) for this please
I would like to build it and test to get wifi and so working
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Take a look here, I'm not having structured git yet...

[POLL] What kind of ROMs do you all prefer?

This is a poll thread where you can freely state your facts and opinions on your favorite type of ROM (Sammy-based ROM, MIUI or CM)
This is also a thread for the people who want to know what kinds of ROMs are being used worldwide.
IF you want, you can even comment down below and say why you like them
I use MIUI myself, but I did come from a Sammy-based ROM and even tried CM for a few weeks.
Voice your opinions, and let us know why!
**Sammy-based ROM = stock as well
If you happen to want to try the ROM type which you are not using, click on the links below.
Sammy-based ROMs:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1204
MIUI-based ROMs:
http://www.miuiandroid.com/
http://www.miui.us/
http://www.miui.com
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1455731
CyanogenMod:
http://www.cyanogenmod.com/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1366341
This thread is NOT a question, just a poll. I don't want to post a favorite ROM post because new ROMs get released by the day and its hard to keep up ^_^

I haven't tried MIUI yet, so I won't vote. But I've been playing with the stable version of Cyanogen Mod for a week now and like it. It's heads and shoulders better than the stock ROM.

CM-based ROMS are nice, but video hardware decoding support is spotty. I use my phone to play 1080p/720p videos quite often, which are often unwatchable using software decoders. So I have no choice but to stick with Samsung-based ROMs for now...

Logi_Ca1 said:
CM-based ROMS are nice, but video hardware decoding support is spotty. I use my phone to play 1080p/720p videos quite often, which are often unwatchable using software decoders. So I have no choice but to stick with Samsung-based ROMs for now...
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Incorrect, try Dice Player. It's fantastic and by far superior then Sammy stock.
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what is this MIU thingy

Woohoo! Another thread where I can freely state my opinion. Jolly good!

TheSaw said:
Woohoo! Another thread where I can freely state my opinion. Jolly good!
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Lol agree with u fella. To @OP
I like roms that are already in the android development.
But on a serious note if we all voted on a best rom everyone would be using that. You are only going to get different opinions. But good luck anyway.
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I never tried MIUI because it looks to me like a clone of iPhone, when I want iPhone I buy iPhone...
I used CM7 because of its configuration options and theme chooser, hope CM9 will get them too...

I've tried all of them.
I prefer Samsung based ROMs at this time. They just seem to be the smoothest, most reliable ROMs which is not a surprise really. I did go through a phase where almost everything was stock but I've gone back to Go Launcher and Go SMS as I found the Samsung launcher too limiting (even though it is smooth, though Go Launcher isn't far behind) and the same can be said for the Sammy SMS app, also I find it a little slower than Go SMS in terms of responsiveness.
Cyanogen ROMs I feel do not run as fluidly as Samsung ROMs, and generally contain more bugs. As another poster said, they lack some of the codec support of the Samsung ROMs. Also, and I realise you can change this with themes etc, but the AOSP Android is a bit bland, at least in pre-ICS form. And CM9 simply isn't ready yet as a daily driver IMO. I look forward to revisiting CM9 when it is more polished.
MIUI ROMs I really like in terms of features. Everything you need is there out of the box, however, I find them resource hogs, and go a step further again than Cyanogen in not running as fluidly. You can see this when jumping from screen to screen or navigating menus, it feels like I am running an old Nexus One again in terms of speed. It just isn't fluid. This was a while ago so maybe things have changed. If they sorted these issues out, it could be the most fantastic ROM.
So Samsung ROM for me at the moment.

Suarez7 said:
Lol agree with u fella. To @OP
I like roms that are already in the android development.
But on a serious note if we all voted on a best rom everyone would be using that. You are only going to get different opinions.
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Well, I dont see how this post is the same as those noob questions on whats the best rom you see, if i posted one of those questions, it would be all those "there is no such thing as a best rom, only what fits you" kind of answers all over the place. This is only trying to get people to know what kind of ROMs we are all running, and also its the kind of stats that gets people knowing how many people are using what kind of rom.
hehehe and also you wrote android development, meaning you like Sammy-based ROMs, should have just entered it in the poll.
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Woohoo! Another thread where I can freely state my opinion. Jolly good!
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As stated, you don't have to write why you like it, just click on what you use in the poll, and people who are actually interested would actually care about the stats. No ROM discussion is required if the repliers don't want to reply. Just a poll.
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Aosp every time.
Cheers

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Well, I dont see how this post is the same as those noob questions on whats the best rom you see, if i posted one of those questions, it would be all those "there is no such thing as a best rom, only what fits you" kind of answers all over the place. This is only trying to get people to know what kind of ROMs we are all running, and also its the kind of stats that gets people knowing how many people are using what kind of rom.
hehehe and also you wrote android development, meaning you like Sammy-based ROMs, should have just entered it in the poll.
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true Sir i did not see the poll you already had above as i was on the phone. but anyhow android development is not just sammy based roms you have MIUI in there plus CM7 like builds and ICS but personally for me..I like so far yes you got it right Sammy based roms....But as soon source code gets released and Siyah is out for CM9 and they get it more stable i am making the leap straight away....
Cheers...Still find this pointless thread but anywhoo

I also prefer stock ROM's.
Not to ditch efforts of all custom ROM makers, but two reasons my stock preference. I really don't trust enough to 3rd party applications much. That's even true for my desktop computer.
Second of all, I'm a bit lazy to deal with any problems, bugs or other stuff that may occur and obviously more chance of bricking phone with 3rd parties.
Third reason unlike most, I really like TouchWiz and additions that Samsung did over standard Android. I have two other Android based devices, one of them is default, other is HTC. I know they lack a lot of free utilities and touch & feel, (and no Sense does not cut it)

alsgrigorjevs said:
Incorrect, try Dice Player. It's fantastic and by far superior then Sammy stock.
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I should have mentioned that I used MX Video Player, which falls back to SW Codecs 70% of the time. Gonna do a quick install of CM7 and see what you say about Dice Player is true.

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I should have mentioned that I used MX Video Player, which falls back to SW Codecs 70% of the time. Gonna do a quick install of CM7 and see what you say about Dice Player is true.
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Does MX video player rely on samsung codecs? because I use it with my stock rom and the latest versions play almost everything in Hw decoders.
Older versions used to play some video files in sw decoders , but now everything is hardware accelerated and I even use it instead of the default player.
So my understanding is that if an update made the app support more video formats in Hw decoding mode ,then it should be indpendent of the rom we're using ,right?

Anorexic stock for me. Never liked MIUI, and appreciate the stability/100% functionality of stock over CM every time.
Used the ROM kitchen on my SGS1, got used to having no bloat, and haven't looked back since.
The ROM in my sig ticks all my boxes.

I like Samsung Roms firstly for the Email app for my Company's exchange account. Also for the Enchansed camera app, for the BEST stability and Siyah Kernel for Speed and Battery life!

I voted for cyanogen, but honestly the best ROM is always the one I just flashed :laugh:

160dpi stock Sammy rom for me
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Official ROMs

ICS leak usefulness

I've got a question I tried to answer myself, but I couldn't resist to post it on the forum.
Is the ICS leak a great step forward for all Atrix users ?
For those who wanted HWA, fingerprint scanner, working camera, of course it is... But is it a step forward for the release of a STABLE CM10 with a STABLE kernel ? This question is more open to a debate than a simple answer.
This leak didn't provide any option for those who have the wrong tegrapart (Mine is OK), or a lapdock, or those who use Chrome and want a generally reliable ROM (Stability, I/O perfs, battery life). They have to make a compromise but we still didn't reach THE ROM(s) that makes everybody happy.
The missing thing to get the ROM(s) that will make us all happy is the kernel source... Why didn't we get it with the ICS leak ? Well let's exclude this question from this thread and maybe talk about it after this debate is (almost) closed.
Personally I'm happy to have this new ROM, it's fast, smooth etc. but my lapdock is still borked so I'm really frustrated not to have this awesome tablet display that works with EVERYTHING but not MOTOROLA's own peripheral... Damn it !
So, what's your case ? Of course you may have found satisfaction with the ICS leak, but are you as frustrated as I am to be this close to the ultimate goal ?
The debate is open, I hope I broke the ice for some people who are in my case and feel like forgotten.

I think that leak does not come with the source code. Thus there will not be any practical improvement right now.

Or, most likely ever. I doubt things will go much farther, and I'm usually the optimistic one

no chance
nope, i think the ics leak was just a one off leak from what motorola actually got round to doing before they abandoned the project, which personally is really bad the roms are just crappy (no offence to developers but the lack of resources means they will always be crappy), everyone says the roms are good but every ics rom iv used is awful, overheating, bugs, battery life sucks, cameras lag, and doesnt compare to a stable cm7 which works completely fine and does everything ics can do anyway.. hmm... i guess everyone just keeps giving themselves false hope, although the possibility of a stable ics is much more than the chance of jellybean & as for the cm10/jellybean thing dont get your hopes up the signs of HWA are non existent and i really dont think they ever will be unless somebody makes a kernel from scratch which for a mobile device would take endless hours of work and testing each boot would probably get your through about 50 atrix phones from hard bricks etc... and i dont think our developers have the time or money to do so... even with donations.
its just not worth it, the atrix is a dying breed if you dont like cm7 then buy a new phone, its that simple, confuses me why everyone acts like cm7 is some sort of bugged crappy software that doesnt work? yet its still a very stable software.
i think everyone should stop concentrating on ICS and jellybean until we actually hear news that will be helpful to creating a stable build and in the mean time focus on improving cm7 with mods and other things, right now cm7 is basically abandoned and the thing its been abandoned for has been on hold for around 3 months.

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nope, i think the ics leak was just a one off leak from what motorola actually got round to doing before they abandoned the project, which personally is really bad the roms are just crappy (no offence to developers but the lack of resources means they will always be crappy), everyone says the roms are good but every ics rom iv used is awful, overheating, bugs, battery life sucks, cameras lag, and doesnt compare to a stable cm7 which works completely fine and does everything ics can do anyway.. hmm... i guess everyone just keeps giving themselves false hope, although the possibility of a stable ics is much more than the chance of jellybean & as for the cm10/jellybean thing dont get your hopes up the signs of HWA are non existent and i really dont think they ever will be unless somebody makes a kernel from scratch which for a mobile device would take endless hours of work and testing each boot would probably get your through about 50 atrix phones from hard bricks etc... and i dont think our developers have the time or money to do so... even with donations.
its just not worth it, the atrix is a dying breed if you dont like cm7 then buy a new phone, its that simple, confuses me why everyone acts like cm7 is some sort of bugged crappy software that doesnt work? yet its still a very stable software.
i think everyone should stop concentrating on ICS and jellybean until we actually hear news that will be helpful to creating a stable build and in the mean time focus on improving cm7 with mods and other things, right now cm7 is basically abandoned and the thing its been abandoned for has been on hold for around 3 months.
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Its not that simple. Once you've had a taste of Android 4.X, its nearly impossible to go back. I'm stuck on Epinter's CM10 because of that, every time I try switching back to a CM7 based rom I find it randomly jittery and with a lot of small annoyances. Both of which I never noticed before trying Joker's CM9.
Even when I switched from CM7 to CM9, I remember CM7 was more or less perfect in its current state. Work stopped on it because there's not much else that can be done with it. Its hit its peak, and for those not spoiled by the more polished versions of Android it is indeed the ideal rom for our device. That does not mean work should stop on ICS/JB, though. The big issue we have is the kernel, of which there are several projects in the works to port kernels from other devices. Its something that'll take (a lot of) time, but long term it'll be much better for our devices than making barely noticeable changes to Gingerbread roms.
With that said, you are right in that the ICS leak is more or less useless without source code. Crappy battery and display issues on some variants of Atrix completely ruin it.

Having the kernel source would solve many issues, but after Motorola abandoned the device it's very unlikely they'll commit any more resources into releasing the half working source code. Of course we'd like to see the source released as it existed under development, but from what I understand, the the source that gets released isn't always exactly the same as what they work with when they compile it and things like extremely helpful comments in the code get removed because of things like NDA's. And although many of the libs and drivers can be extracted from the ROM, the code to use them has been lost.
As it stands, the Atrix Rebirth Project is probably the best chance for seeing a fully functional kernel source for ICS and beyond. But as has been pointed out already, interest in the device has been dying, and even if the project does manage to make it happen, it's not going to happen overnight.

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Its not that simple. Once you've had a taste of Android 4.X, its nearly impossible to go back. I'm stuck on Epinter's CM10 because of that, every time I try switching back to a CM7 based rom I find it randomly jittery and with a lot of small annoyances. Both of which I never noticed before trying Joker's CM9.
Even when I switched from CM7 to CM9, I remember CM7 was more or less perfect in its current state. Work stopped on it because there's not much else that can be done with it. Its hit its peak, and for those not spoiled by the more polished versions of Android it is indeed the ideal rom for our device. That does not mean work should stop on ICS/JB, though. The big issue we have is the kernel, of which there are several projects in the works to port kernels from other devices. Its something that'll take (a lot of) time, but long term it'll be much better for our devices than making barely noticeable changes to Gingerbread roms.
With that said, you are right in that the ICS leak is more or less useless without source code. Crappy battery and display issues on some variants of Atrix completely ruin it.
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hmm i used pinters cm10 for a week and went back to MROM cm7 and customised it to my liking with ICS themes and text changers, looks just like ICS runs just as smooth as a buggy JB rom, thats the problem the performance of CM10 roms without HWA is about the same as a good CM7 rom... just with a few features like google now which nobody really uses anyway, although i understand where your coming from when it comes too the UI and animations on JB roms they are very nice but id rather sacrafice them and have a phone that will work 100%

I'm very naive to the inner workings of android
I also returned to mrom from epinters cm 10 and icsrom because of lack of camcorder or terrible battery life.
Now with mrom I have a very smooth launcher and all apps working. I do miss jellybeans nice interface, but what are the more fundamental improvements that gingerbread lacks? Besides feeling outdated and old of course :/
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Zero usefulness. Novelty item at best.

It's interesting to read opinion of no-developers is it something useful or not. Only developers could say something about it. Also most of you are so pessimistic, complaining that developing is dying.
xda-developers is for site and forum for developers. If you think that developing is dying, come on, do something about. Join Atrix Rebirth Project, start to learn how to develop kernel and rom. There is a lot of guides here and on Internet. Instead of spending time on forum and waiting that someone else do it for you and for free. If you don't have time to learn, contribute on another way: support developers, donate money or device, try to find solution, use your contacts to get leaked sources...
The easiest way is to buy a new device and start complain after a while

I have been very pleased with the stock GB rom. I have a Nexus 7 and an old HTC Aria, both running the latest version of JB and, other than a more up-to-date appearance, there's really nothing I can't do on the Atrix that I can do on the JB devices.
Its amazing what the developers have been able to do with the HTC Aria. It has very little memory, but they have created virtually unlimited program memory by using an extended partition on the SD card. The Aria also runs JB almost flawlessly.
If JB could run on the Atrix 4G the way it runs on my Aria, I would use it. But from what I've read, it has a long way to go. I am not even sure I would even be able to root my Atrix, which has the latest GB update from Motorola.
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I've got a question I tried to answer myself, but I couldn't resist to post it on the forum.
Is the ICS leak a great step forward for all Atrix users ?
For those who wanted HWA, fingerprint scanner, working camera, of course it is... But is it a step forward for the release of a STABLE CM10 with a STABLE kernel ? This question is more open to a debate than a simple answer.
This leak didn't provide any option for those who have the wrong tegrapart (Mine is OK), or a lapdock, or those who use Chrome and want a generally reliable ROM (Stability, I/O perfs, battery life). They have to make a compromise but we still didn't reach THE ROM(s) that makes everybody happy.
The missing thing to get the ROM(s) that will make us all happy is the kernel source... Why didn't we get it with the ICS leak ? Well let's exclude this question from this thread and maybe talk about it after this debate is (almost) closed.
Personally I'm happy to have this new ROM, it's fast, smooth etc. but my lapdock is still borked so I'm really frustrated not to have this awesome tablet display that works with EVERYTHING but not MOTOROLA's own peripheral... Damn it !
So, what's your case ? Of course you may have found satisfaction with the ICS leak, but are you as frustrated as I am to be this close to the ultimate goal ?
The debate is open, I hope I broke the ice for some people who are in my case and feel like forgotten.
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Yeah right ! talking about this leak ... is a >small< step foward !
Just imagine Michael Montuori out of here, Or the Bill ?! epinter !? Faux, or jocker that has made a wonderfull job and the other in the early days of the atrix .... all source code builder out of this atrix family at once !
Well ... Motorola doesnt have a great support for the moment ! as their Blur OS is ****ty slow ! :S
I own a Car dock, A HD Multimedia Dock and a great lapdock !
I approve that this is still frustrating (and i know the devs out there are NOT getting Paid enough for a better work than MOTOROLA itself,) that motorola own product doesnt have support yet ! but still have on a direct DHMI cable straight to the tv !! WTF ?!?!!
Well, its not going to change anything here, i mean this thread ... but .. well .. you know ! YEAH its awkward and " fais chier bordel" hahaha
Our devs are GREAT but unfortunately, we still need that damn MOTO support for their drivers source for the new OS :S
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Well, its not going to change anything here, i mean this thread ... but .. well .. you know ! YEAH its awkward and " fais chier bordel" hahaha
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I would even say "Bordel à couilles de constructeur de mes deux !". I'm writing this using my lapock... On my tiny screen, with my main screen at 45° so I can still read what I'm writing. I dreamt about WT3.0 with working LAPDOCK, it would have been so gorgeous, but it's currently not happening. "Nique cette merde !", I'm buying a Windows Phone next year when the ecosystem gets more apps and stuff. The news are getting warmer for this OS ! The amazing keyboard made in WP7/8 will replace my lapdock I use as a keyboard.

Development IS actually dying, look at the Atrix 4G development section where there used to be several ROMs under active development there are now just a few. Nearly everything that can be done has been done with the exception of what the Atrix rebirth project is doing. But there is no guarantee of success. If you have the money or a device to donate to the rebirth project, great, by all means go for it. Maybe one of the other tegra based moto devices might help a bit too. Unfortanately I think it's pretty hard to hold any level of optimism for the device after such a long string of let downs.
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I see the ICS leak as interesting but not overly useful.
Now, if they'd also leaked the source code, I don't doubt that the devs could have created a fully-features and stable ICS/JB within a couple of months. However, with no source for such a buggy leak, we're reliant on a few people trying to create a kernel almost from scratch. I wish them well, but I'm not holding my breath...

When you feel like the development is hopeless , waste all of your time and try fixing things yourself get a new phone.

BravoMotorola said:
When you feel like the development is hopeless , waste all of your time and try fixing things yourself get a new phone.
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Like you? And you think that you're smart. That's exactly what vendors wish, get a new device. Bravo
Edit: With your latest posts in Atrix forum you're the same as maggedo or member with Atrix in name. Ups, you have Motorola
How long N4 will be the best device for you? What I see not so long

I think it's interesting how people work:
First everyone was crying about the fact, that Motorola left us out in the cold and now that we have a actually really good leak, people cry that it's not good enough... That's just sad. The leak is useful and it's a big step into the right direction. A lot of people put in hours of work for you (and for FREE!!!), to make this leak better. All you need is PATIENCE. Be grateful that some devs stick to this EOL-device and provide great work for us.
-Just my 2 cents-
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BravoMotorola said:
When you feel like the development is hopeless , waste all of your time and try fixing things yourself get a new phone.
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And... What about people who can't get a new device ? I bought mine like 6 months ago, it was for my birthday and I can't waste money on a newer phone like this.

But there must be some kind of "break-even" ahead.
How many hours of work and energy may be put from the most "valuable brains" into the leak (without having sourcecode), until they must decide: "enough is enough, it just will never turn out as "stable"?
From what I've understood there exists some good chances that maybe some day valuable parts of the XOOM kernel get migrated to the Atrix (see respective thread under development area).
May the last remaining devs of a dying device - whose work I greatly respect and appreciate! - join forces and turn more efforts into porting the xoom?