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Nexus One News and Updates
Monday, April 26, 2010
An update on Nexus One partnerships
When we launched Nexus One in January, we announced partnerships with Vodafone in Europe and Verizon Wireless in the US. We have news on both fronts.
Today, Vodafone begins accepting pre-orders for Nexus One from customers in the United Kingdom at www.vodafone.co.uk/nexusone, and on April 30th Vodafone will start selling Nexus One in their UK stores, online, and over the phone. Soon after, they will also begin selling Nexus One in France (SFR), Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, and Spain. Vodafone is our first European partner to distribute the Nexus One.
In the US, if you’ve been waiting for the Nexus One for Verizon Wireless’ network, head over to http://phones.verizonwireless.com/htc/incredible to pre-order the Droid Incredible by HTC, a powerful new Android phone and a cousin of the Nexus One that is similarly feature-packed. It will be available in stores on April 29th.
We are very pleased with the amazing pace of innovation and strength of the Android ecosystem and to be working with partners around the world to bring the Android experience to more people.
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BOOM.
Verizon Nexus One goes POOF.
My guess? Verizon didn't want the phone due to the 3G issues. Not that it's definitely a hardware issue, but they probably didn't want to take the chance.
Paul22000 said:
BOOM.
Verizon Nexus One goes POOF.
My guess? Verizon didn't want the phone due to the 3G issues. Not that it's definitely a hardware issue, but they probably didn't want to take the chance.
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Why would the CMDA version have the same 3G issues? It would have used a completely different radio than the current N1. I highly doubt that was the reason. My guess it that they either believe the Incredible would take too many N1 sales to make it profitable, or Verizon wants more control of the device than Google is willing to give them.
Regardless, it's not completely dead yet and there's still a chance Sprint will get it. I still don't know how well an unlocked CDMA phone could work though.
Doubtful that the 3G issues had anything to do with it. They most likely didn't want 2 nearly identical models to deal with. It wouldn't make any sense to carry both the Nexus One and the Incredible. On top of that, the Nexus One wouldn't be filled with the Verizon bloatware that the Incredible most likely will be.
Verizon probably wouldn't budge on their programming prices for the phones is the most likely reason.
I'm sure it had everything to do with the fact that why would you buy a phone for 529 when you can get almost the same phone for 199. N1 would have super failed on Verizon worse than TMO and ATT versions
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Why would the CMDA version have the same 3G issues? It would have used a completely different radio than the current N1.
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I believe the issues are with the radio being at the bottom, so the signal dropping by hand covering the bottom would affect it the same way.
I highly doubt that was the reason. My guess it that they either believe the Incredible would take too many N1 sales to make it profitable, or Verizon wants more control of the device than Google is willing to give them.
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Well, the Incredible has no bloatware to be found (see the videos on YouTube, particularly the ones by "jon4lakers"). The device is completely untouched, especially in comparison to AT&T's Backflip.
Regardless, it's not completely dead yet and there's still a chance Sprint will get it. I still don't know how well an unlocked CDMA phone could work though.
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I think CDMA phones can not be transferred from Sprint to Verizon. Someone correct me if that's wrong, but I've never heard of that happening.
I don't think they had planned to sell the phone standalone. It would have been subsidized like the t-mobile plan.
It's not too complicated...
Neither verizon..nor HTC would like for N1 to directly compete with their new phone. Google also has mentioned many times that N1 is not a competition to other android phones. they don't want to upset their partners.
Verizon just launched incredible, which is almost the same as nexus one. Verizon can change the name of incredible to match their droid branding.. which is not possbile with nexus one
further, incredible is verizon phone and they get all the profit from it.. not google. when I was talking with t-mobile they told me that T-Mobile has no profit or financial agreement with google.. infact the subsidy on the phone is by google and not t-mobile.
Again.. i can't stress more..but all phones have problems when back is covered. All phones have specific intructions in user manual to avoid covering the back. N1 does not have 3G issues.. it's t-mobile
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I believe the issues are with the radio being at the bottom, so the signal dropping by hand covering the bottom would affect it the same way.
Well, the Incredible has no bloatware to be found (see the videos on YouTube, particularly the ones by "jon4lakers"). The device is completely untouched, especially in comparison to AT&T's Backflip.
I think CDMA phones can not be transferred from Sprint to Verizon. Someone correct me if that's wrong, but I've never heard of that happening.
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You are correct, CDMA phones cannot be transferred between Sprint and Verizon
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It's not too complicated...
Neither verizon..nor HTC would like for N1 to directly compete with their new phone. Google also has mentioned many times that N1 is not a competition to other android phones. they don't want to upset their partners.
Verizon just launched incredible, which is almost the same as nexus one. Verizon can change the name of incredible to match their droid branding.. which is not possbile with nexus one
further, incredible is verizon phone and they get all the profit from it.. not google. when I was talking with t-mobile they told me that T-Mobile has no profit or financial agreement with google.. infact the subsidy on the phone is by google and not t-mobile.
Again.. i can't stress more..but all phones have problems when back is covered. All phones have specific intructions in user manual to avoid covering the back. N1 does not have 3G issues.. it's t-mobile
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I disagree. I see 0 downsides from having both the N1 and the Incredible available.
- The phone market in both cases is HTC, so they don't care.
- The carrier will be Verizon in both cases, so they don't care.
The only difference is that someone who has a strong preference for the N1 (standard OS, the looks, or otherwise), can get it.
A Verizon N1 will only bring in MORE customers to Verizon and HTC; there's no way it could affect either of them negatively.
I don't get it.
Beyond not trying to screw their partnership with HTC by having both the Incredible and Nexus One on Verizon at the same time this doesn't make much sense. GSM is the way to go for an open platform anyway. It's a lot easier to just switch out the SIM. No need to contact Verizon or Sprint to let them know which phone you're running.
There is overhead such as the per device training on support, stocking, advertising, that come with any handset. On cdma you do not get the advantages of having a sim and on verizon you already have another phone that is very similar but superior in some respects. Most importantly to the average user who does not know about and will never do many of the things that we would call advantages with the nexus one the things like 8 megapixel camera loom larger. It would be my guess that verizon looked at the number of expected sales versus the cost of carrying the handset and decided it didnt pencil out, simple as that. One thing for certain, it always comes down to the money.
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There is overhead such as the per device training on support, stocking, advertising, that come with any handset. On cdma you do not get the advantages of having a sim and on verizon you already have another phone that is very similar but superior in some respects. Most importantly to the average user who does not know about and will never do many of the things that we would call advantages with the nexus one the things like 8 megapixel camera loom larger. It would be my guess that verizon looked at the number of expected sales versus the cost of carrying the handset and decided it didnt pencil out, simple as that. One thing for certain, it always comes down to the money.
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Very well said.
Paul,
Verizon and HTC are both together in incredible. Verizon has invested in that phone. They want it to sell more than Nexus One.
Google makes lot of money from N1... they released the revenue this quarter... and none of that went to T-Mobile.
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Google makes lot of money from N1... they released the revenue this quarter... and none of that went to T-Mobile.
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Can you provide a link for this?
I have never seen Google or T-Mobile say anything official about how the profits from the phone are distributed. (And I doubt they would do something like this, as companies usually do not.)
Actually, the article didn't say the Nexus One for Verizon was dead. It just suggested buying the Incredible, similar to how they pointed people to the Droid previously in the "can't wait" link. The AT&T N1 came from nowhere.
Paul, you may be right, but I'd wait for further clarification on this before I'd pronounce the VZ-N1 dead.
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I disagree. I see 0 downsides from having both the N1 and the Incredible available.
- The phone market in both cases is HTC, so they don't care.
- The carrier will be Verizon in both cases, so they don't care.
The only difference is that someone who has a strong preference for the N1 (standard OS, the looks, or otherwise), can get it.
A Verizon N1 will only bring in MORE customers to Verizon and HTC; there's no way it could affect either of them negatively.
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I agree with this. Further, I would think that having a DEV phone on Verizon would be hugely important to Google. Until the Incredible/Desires are rooted, there is no DEV equivalent to the N1.
Like AT&T, Verizon doesn't have to support it to allow it to connect.
If this development is true its things like this make me more and more mad at the so called "premium" companies like Verizon. Always putting restrictions on what their customers can do instead of giving them the options they want.
Isnt that what people hate Apple for too?
krabman is right. you have 2 similar products, verizon backs the incredible though. they must have sat down and crunched numbers out and figured making a cdma verizon n1 wont be worth it vs its projected sales.
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I think CDMA phones can not be transferred from Sprint to Verizon. Someone correct me if that's wrong, but I've never heard of that happening.
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It has been done before with older phones. However, I'm not to sure about the current smart phones.
Well ****. The Incredible's hardware is impressive, but it is looking to be one closed POS like every other recent HTC phone. It'll also probably have the ridiculous memory protection scheme of HTC that prevents writing to the system partition. Sounds like the deal between Google and Verizon fell through, because there's definitely code in AOSP for the CDMA mahimahi. The problem is that Verizon can decide whatever comes in or out of their network and they are likely none too pleased with Google's new business model.
No fastboot oem unlock = ABSOLUTELY the wrong direction for Android, do not like.
Maybe the outdated TouchPad 2000 that the N1 is using?
Jesus, I already have my T-Mobile version and it doesn't hurt me but I really don't like Sprint (and Verizon) giving hopeful N1 customers the finger.
Its not that they just said no to subsidizing the phone... its that since they work off a CDMA network (non sim cards) they will just block the phone entirely off their network. Even if you had a Sprint compatible version and called them up to activate it they would tell you no. Greedy SOB's.
I wanted the N1 to become a smartphone standard across all 4 carriers so that Google would continue to produce it for a LONG time and come out with subsequent versions over time. But with just two carriers supporting it I am scared Google might abandon it long term due to low sales.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/10/sprint-cans-nexus-one-in-favor-of-evo-4g/
Doesn't matter to you or me. We've got one of 2 current gen standard bearers (other being the Milestone/Droid) and ours doesn't have to go through a carrier to get OS updates.
All the apps will be built with us in mind, so fewer bugs and possibly more apps. We're basically Android Dev Phone 3. Nothing wrong with that at all. This is a loss for Sprint customers only, and the size of that loss is debatable.
Sucks to be a sprint customer. Will the EVO be better than the Nexus One? On paper, yes.. however that has yet to be seen. Most (or some) of us thought the N1 would be overshadowed by the Droid Incredible but that wasn't the case at all.
EVO vs Nexus One .... coming soon.
I wonder who's decision it was to cancel these phones...
Verizon, Sprint, Google, or HTC?
Who's to blame here?
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I wonder who's decision it was to cancel these phones...
Verizon, Sprint, Google, or HTC?
Who's to blame here?
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Good question. If it was Google, I think they bailed just before the vindication of the N1. I am reading about perceived "issues" with the Incredible and Desire similar to those on the N1 regarding 3g coverage. The N1 is a damn fine phone, and Verizon and Sprint users are missing out on an absolute gem with a better forward path than anything else in the hardware queue.
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I wonder who's decision it was to cancel these phones...
Verizon, Sprint, Google, or HTC?
Who's to blame here?
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Its DEF Sprint's and Verizon's fault the phone was cancelled. Google could easily put in a different radio (like they did with the ATT version) but Sprint and Verizon can just refuse to activate the phone on their network like they did. ATT and TMo didn't have a choice since they use sim cards. Sprint and Verizon are evil companies that force their customers into more expensive options instead of giving them choices
Same reason the verizon deal fell through. both spring and verizon are very controlled networks. Googles wants to essentially turn the cell phone system into an europe-esque system where phones and service are seperate entities.
Each nexus phone has to be programs for verizon or sprint. They probably couldn't come to terms with an appropriate price and management. They'd have to have the phones programmed before being shipped out, one more step and one more cost.
Then you have the headaches of pushing out updates. We saw how long it took Droid to get the 2.1 update. If you want to update a sprint android phone you have to take it to a retail store to do it!
thats a damn shame
sprint cancelled (probably, i'm just guessing here) for the same reason verizon did. they have a top notch android phone coming out, for which they reap the benefits of sales. why would they chop that by catering to a phone that would only compete with their own sales, but they don't get sales money for? neither att nor tmo have a better phone right now.
btw, i love my nexus one. i can see why they would worry, lol. incredible is a nice phone, but the chick i'm hanging out with just got one, i played with it, and i prefer my N1, tbh
have to get a sprint phone for clinics though this june, so hoping the evo gets out early june phone n1, but evo for hanging out with and playing
down with verizon and sprint they suck. Everytime I saw a sprint phone on that TV show, heroes I thought.... ugh, fags
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sprint cancelled (probably, i'm just guessing here) for the same reason verizon did. they have a top notch android phone coming out, for which they reap the benefits of sales.
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If Sprint or Verizon doesn't want to subsidize the N1 because they want to push their own phone that's fine. But blocking an unlocked N1 from using their network just for the sake of being ****'s and forcing people into more expensive options? That's just bullsh*t and shouldn't be tolerated
Just because customers getting screwed happens in American business doesn't make it acceptable...
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If Sprint or Verizon doesn't want to subsidize the N1 because they want to push their own phone that's fine. But blocking an unlocked N1 from using their network just for the sake of being ****'s and forcing people into more expensive options? That's just bullsh*t and shouldn't be tolerated
Just because customers getting screwed happens in American business doesn't make it acceptable...
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well, i don't want to get too far off topic, because this is all just speculation. however, now htc doesn't have to worry about manufacturing a cdma version at all, so it saves everyone a lot of hassle
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sprint cancelled (probably, i'm just guessing here) for the same reason verizon did. they have a top notch android phone coming out, for which they reap the benefits of sales. why would they chop that by catering to a phone that would only compete with their own sales, but they don't get sales money for? neither att nor tmo have a better phone right now.
btw, i love my nexus one. i can see why they would worry, lol. incredible is a nice phone, but the chick i'm hanging out with just got one, i played with it, and i prefer my N1, tbh
have to get a sprint phone for clinics though this june, so hoping the evo gets out early june phone n1, but evo for hanging out with and playing
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Post a pic of the chick!
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neither att nor tmo have a better phone right now.
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The Samsung Galaxy S would like to have a word with you.
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Jesus, I already have my T-Mobile version and it doesn't hurt me but I really don't like Sprint (and Verizon) giving hopeful N1 customers the finger.
Its not that they just said no to subsidizing the phone... its that since they work off a CDMA network (non sim cards) they will just block the phone entirely off their network. Even if you had a Sprint compatible version and called them up to activate it they would tell you no. Greedy SOB's.
I wanted the N1 to become a smartphone standard across all 4 carriers so that Google would continue to produce it for a LONG time and come out with subsequent versions over time. But with just two carriers supporting it I am scared Google might abandon it long term due to low sales.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/10/sprint-cans-nexus-one-in-favor-of-evo-4g/
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I partially agree with the OP here, it would be nice to have this across all carriers, but in all honesty, CDMA is just not something that is well supported outside the US. Having GSM is key since it is more the worldwide standard. I don't think not having CDMA is going to really hurt things for this device.
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sprint cancelled (probably, i'm just guessing here) for the same reason verizon did. they have a top notch android phone coming out, for which they reap the benefits of sales. why would they chop that by catering to a phone that would only compete with their own sales, but they don't get sales money for? neither att nor tmo have a better phone right now.
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That makes no sense at all. Even if they didn't subsidize the phone, like AT&T, someone could buy the N1 100% with their own money, and then throw their money at Verizon/Sprint for the voice and data plans. All I could see is a net PLUS of subscribers on their networks. Now if someone reallly wants an N1, they'd be thinking T-Mobile / AT&T; a net LOSS of subscribers for Verizon/Sprint.
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however, now htc doesn't have to worry about manufacturing a cdma version at all, so it saves everyone a lot of hassle
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Except HTC probably already had the CDMA N1, or was FAR into the development of it. It saves hassle for everyone except HTC, who wasted a lot of time and effort.
halorin said:
The Samsung Galaxy S would like to have a word with you.
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A camera with no flash. 'nuff said.
Verizon and Sprint have a much much more closed network than Att or T-mobile. They wan't entire control of what goes on the network.
I don't think anyone would care because sprint customers would probably be waiting for EVO 4g..
personally, i really liked sprint. i had a heck of a plan with them, i got a lot of free upgrades without contract, and i always had a signal, no matter where i went. i did sometimes have to roam, but i had free roaming, so no big whoop.
i only switched over to tmo for the N1
I just got my new evo from radioshack after the first one bricked on the update. Anyone try to root the evo that has the new update....im sorta scared ever since the brick....got lucky enough to find a phone at radioshack since everywhere else is sold out....
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I just got my new evo from radioshack after the first one bricked on the update. Anyone try to root the evo that has the new update....im sorta scared ever since the brick....got lucky enough to find a phone at radioshack since everywhere else is sold out....
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Did you update your new phone or did it come updated?
patience young padawan...
dehelflix said:
Did you update your new phone or did it come updated?
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Came updated with the latest update that bricked my first phone.....i really miss the wifi tether and flashing new roms...
As much as I hate losing the ability to root, I understand it. Seeing those posts of people who download 15-20gb a month makes me sad. People like that ruin it for the rest of us. Not to mention slowing down the connection of everyone else on their tower.
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As much as I hate losing the ability to root, I understand it. Seeing those posts of people who download 15-20gb a month makes me sad. People like that ruin it for the rest of us. Not to mention slowing down the connection of everyone else on their tower.
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Sprint sells us unlimited data and you're sad when people use it? What is an appropriate amount of data to use?
I am not mad. I just understand why they want to lock it down. Also they are not selling unlimited tethering. That costs $30 extra. Rooting allows you to by-pass that charge. So more people are likely to do it and abuse it. It has a negative impact on other users more than Sprint.
Again, I am not upset about it, I just wish people would have some courtesy and not torrent or stream 24/7.
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What is an appropriate amount of data to use?
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Never really thought about that, but I guess they could handle that the way Google handles Gmail memory. Maybe take the total available and divide that by the number of users, add another gig or 2 to be safe? As the network improves, that cap should go up. Gmail handles it like that, your memory cap is slowly climbing as more becomes available.
I realize bandwidth and storage capacity are 2 different things because of things like peek usage hours and whatnot. However I am sure they could come to a reasonable formula with that approach.
Is it cool if we take up a collection for the first team/dev to crack it? The devs definately deserve it (although many might not even want the money), so it seems like they should get something and we help kick up the motivation a notch as well. Maybe this is a no-no, idk. Just a thought
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As much as I hate losing the ability to root, I understand it. Seeing those posts of people who download 15-20gb a month makes me sad. People like that ruin it for the rest of us. Not to mention slowing down the connection of everyone else on their tower.
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I guess you like bending over or being bent over (by Sprint or otherwise) without been taken out on a date first eh. bad joke, don't take offence eh. Geez...but isn't that what you're being charged extra premium data for?
I picked up an Evo for my girlfriend yesterday and asked them not to put the update on because I didn't have time for it to complete. I said I'd just do it at home. Took it home and rooted that bad boy so fast.
you can't just flash back to the stock rom and reroot?
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I am not mad. I just understand why they want to lock it down. Also they are not selling unlimited tethering. That costs $30 extra. Rooting allows you to by-pass that charge. So more people are likely to do it and abuse it. It has a negative impact on other users more than Sprint.
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i don't know about you but i'm paying $70 a month for Premium unlimited data and if i want to use it then i will. tethering by wire doesn't take an extra $30, that's for the wifi hotspot feature. use PDAnet app or something similar. on a recent vacation i grabbed 6GB of HDTV shows overnight on 3G, no problem. i'd use 4G if it was up and running in a place i could use it but that hasn't been an option yet. even on 3G it wouldn't be hard to download 100GB a month with a little effort.
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I am not mad. I just understand why they want to lock it down. Also they are not selling unlimited tethering. That costs $30 extra. Rooting allows you to by-pass that charge. So more people are likely to do it and abuse it. It has a negative impact on other users more than Sprint.
Again, I am not upset about it, I just wish people would have some courtesy and not torrent or stream 24/7.
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I have a problem with charging extra for tethering and object to it on moral grounds. I believe it is a violation of the concept net neutrality and an illogical charge at that. The only reason people are not up in arms about it is that they don't think of cell carriers as ISPs yet, but that's what they are.
If I download something knot my phone and later transfer it to my computer, is that against sprint's tos? If I do that same thing in an automated way is it a violation? Because that's what tethering is.
Only a matter of time until someone cracks it. The Android dev community is too powerful.
Sent from my HTC EVO 4G.
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I am not mad. I just understand why they want to lock it down. Also they are not selling unlimited tethering. That costs $30 extra. Rooting allows you to by-pass that charge. So more people are likely to do it and abuse it. It has a negative impact on other users more than Sprint.
Again, I am not upset about it, I just wish people would have some courtesy and not torrent or stream 24/7.
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Hey, I am part owner in a Web Hosting Business so I am very aware of bandwidth prices and limitations.
However, I simply don't agree with people that claim it is a bad thing to use lots of data (regardless of how it is used). If Sprint didn't want us to use as much as we want then they should not have called it an "Unlimited" plan...period!!
If a company offers unlimited and people actually use it, causing the networks to slow down, then that is NOT the customer's fault. Would you fault the customers if a buffet runs out of food? Of course not!
Sprint needs to step up the network and get the infrastructure sorted out so they can hold up to the service they are offering.
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Hey, I am part owner in a Web Hosting Business so I am very aware of bandwidth prices and limitations.
However, I simply don't agree with people that claim it is a bad thing to use lots of data (regardless of how it is used). If Sprint didn't want us to use as much as we want then they should not have called it an "Unlimited" plan...period!!
If a company offers unlimited and people actually use it, causing the networks to slow down, then that is NOT the customer's fault. Would you fault the customers if a buffet runs out of food? Of course not!
Sprint needs to step up the network and get the infrastructure sorted out so they can hold up to the service they are offering.
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i like the analogy there, good stuff. were paying for unlimited data so they can just deal with it.
My stance isn't to protect poor little Sprint from evil users. It's more of an issue I have with people "pissing in the punch" as it were. If we do lose "Unlimited" it will because the few people that gorge themselves. Also when Sprint makes an unlimited plan for phones, I am sure they have the actually device in mind. You can only realistically consume so much data using the actual phone. Its not till you hook the phone up to other devices that your data will skyrocket.
All I am saying is like most privileges in life, if you abuse them you lose them. It's one side of the coin, I am sure you guys can at least see my point. I understand were you guys are coming from, I just think its a bit short sighted.
AT&T threw in the towel(on unlimited), Verizon is likely to follow, I just would hate to also have Sprint give up on us and follow the leader too.
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All I am saying is like most privileges in life, if you abuse them you lose them. It's one side of the coin, I am sure you guys can at least see my point.
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But, its not a privilege or a side of the coin. We payed for UNLIMITED! What is wrong with using UNLIMITED??
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AT&T threw in the towel(on unlimited), Verizon is likely to follow, I just would hate to also have Sprint give up on us and follow the leader too.
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Actually, AT&T never had unlimited (5GB cap). Same with Verizon. Sprint has said 5GB cap as well in their 'unlimited' data plans (with the exception of the Evo, where it's written out specifically), but they very rarely ever enforced it. AT&T and Verizon will charge you up the rear if you go over.
So no, none of the providers ever had unlimited data. It's just a question of their policies.
Also, keep in mind that downloading really isn't the problem. It's uploading that screws with everyone's connection. So for those of you who are running torrents on your connection, STOP. You can and will cause data issues for everyone else on the node, as there's a limited amount of upload bandwith to go around.
So I had to unfortunate encounter of having to replace my new shiny tab because of an issue with the screen. However, I was told by the support tech that T-Mobile will roll out an update that will allow the device to be used as a fully functional phone around January. This is unconfirmed so far by official sources, but I thought it interesting nonetheless.
Cheers,
Robert
Hope it's true, it'll maybe encourage the other North American carriers to do the same.
For T-Mobile, it's probably cheaper than to have to writedown/restock all the returns as otherwise loyal T-Mobile customers are going to AT&T for Tabs, as well as not having to deal with all the failed flashes and the resulting "I don't know, it just stopped working" returns.
That will be lovely.
Seriously? I have 5 days left before I have to return my Tmo tab... I've been putting it off because really don't want to go AT&T...
Robert... I know you can't know for sure... but is your gut feeling that the support tech knew what he/she was talking about? How sure of it did they seem? eg any ambiguity on their part or did it seem like a done deal?
I'm on a few days left too. So tempted to return it for now and get a Nook to tide me over.
Would love phone functionality, but TMobile is doing my head in atm.
Rang them up earlier tonight to get my PAYG card sorted out (as can't update it online). With them wanting my social security number (don't have one) to my PIN number (never got one on a PAYG card), back to demanding my Social security number again (still don't have one), to them hanging up on me as I ask about phone functionality.
I'm at my wits end with Tmobile.
Guess it's going to end up being AT&T and flashed ROM I guess.
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So I had to unfortunate encounter of having to replace my new shiny tab because of an issue with the screen. However, I was told by the support tech that T-Mobile will roll out an update that will allow the device to be used as a fully functional phone around January. This is unconfirmed so far by official sources, but I thought it interesting nonetheless.
Cheers,
Robert
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I was talking to T-Mo Tech Support last week about the built-in Qik application and asked him why we didn't have the phone capability. He told me that it would probably be added soon, but I didn't really believe him at the time, figuring he didn't really know what he was talking about. Now I'm beginning to wonder if I judged him too harshly. It will be interesting to see if they charge extra for it, or if it will be included in our current plan.
It wouldn't surprise me if they did. T-Moble usually takes much more of a global view towards their products than all the other US carriers do. I guess it makes sense since they're a European provider & based there.
I just ported my cell number last night from AT&T to Simple Mobile. I've had time to use both devices and running the AT&T Tab at over twice the cost per month just isn't worth it. I can buy a new Tab every year with the money I save!
If the rumor is true, then I'd expect to see a test rom leak out sometime soon.
xexes said:
Seriously? I have 5 days left before I have to return my Tmo tab... I've been putting it off because really don't want to go AT&T...
Robert... I know you can't know for sure... but is your gut feeling that the support tech knew what he/she was talking about? How sure of it did they seem? eg any ambiguity on their part or did it seem like a done deal?
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The support rep was incredibly knowledgable and is infact an xda member. He seemed fairly certain this change was going to be rolled out.
Heres my question. If they do roll out this update, are they going to unblock whatever it is they are blocking and allow us to use our sim from another phone, or are we going to have to update the data plan they sold us to another plan that has voice?
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Heres my question. If they do roll out this update, are they going to unblock whatever it is they are blocking and allow us to use our sim from another phone, or are we going to have to update the data plan they sold us to another plan that has voice?
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Even though thats more of a rhetorical question, I'd guess that yes, they'd eliminate the block.
Just because the Tab has a larger screen than the Vibrant doesn't meant its any more of a data hog.
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Even though thats more of a rhetorical question, I'd guess that yes, they'd eliminate the block.
Just because the Tab has a larger screen than the Vibrant doesn't meant its any more of a data hog.
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I guess it will depend on how money hungry they are.
Well, I know AT&T will never officially update their device for this. God for bid they do anything to take customers away from the iphone or ipad!
jtc442 said:
Heres my question. If they do roll out this update, are they going to unblock whatever it is they are blocking and allow us to use our sim from another phone, or are we going to have to update the data plan they sold us to another plan that has voice?
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I would imagine that you would have to upgrade the plan.
I had an issue a little while ago and had to call into customer service. While i was on the phone, I asked the lady that was helping me about the possible update, and she told me there would be no updates pushed out from tmobile for the galaxy tab, they would all come straight from samsung. She told me i needed to check samsungs website for updates. Fixing to call back. I always get a different answer every single time i call them. Im not saying what the rep told you isnt true, im just adding what they told me.
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She's probably talking about Kies updates. But that is still a carrier-specific update, tied to the model number of the device.
In other words, Samsung is just the distributor, T-Mobile will still be the final arbiter on the updates.
SO get this, you guys know i work for t-mobile. A higher up told us the current tmo tab is going to be end of life soon.. RIGHT AFTER IT LAUNCHED..Because ...get this...."4G" Tab is coming out very soon. Honestly i could care less because Verizon/Att/Sprint/Tmo are all lies. there is no Such thing as 4G right now in the US, but we have not yet been educated on this update
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SO get this, you guys know i work for t-mobile. A higher up told us the current tmo tab is going to be end of life soon.. RIGHT AFTER IT LAUNCHED..Because ...get this...."4G" Tab is coming out very soon. Honestly i could care less because Verizon/Att/Sprint/Tmo are all lies. there is no Such thing as 4G right now in the US, but we have not yet been educated on this update
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Funny thing is, the current Tab IS 4G in terms of T-Mobile's marketing strategy, ie: Its already HSxPA capable, which is faster than other carriers 4G, hence the way they get away with marketing their Internet speeds as 4G, even though its not a new technology like Sprints.
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Funny thing is, the current Tab IS 4G in terms of T-Mobile's marketing strategy, ie: Its already HSxPA capable, which is faster than other carriers 4G, hence the way they get away with marketing their Internet speeds as 4G, even though its not a new technology like Sprints.
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But , correct me if im wrong, past HSPA enabled devices where maxed at 7.2 mbps, now the new HSPA+ devices ie. G2, Mytouch 4G are said to reach speeds of 42 mbps. I had a network tech in the store the other day and he was telling me how we are all ready done a full 4G conversion but they are playing the waiting game with Att/Verizon. Just like Comcast and Verizon. one advertises one speed then the 1 up each other every other month or so.
I'm actually waiting on either a ROM hack or an official phone inclusion before I buy the Tab. I simply can't see forking over this much dough on something that I can't use 24/7 like my HD2.
Thanks, OP, for the thread. I was about to start my own
At&t sent me a message that i HAVE to upgrade to their 2.2 is this actually important?
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AriaUSer_ said:
At&t sent me a message that i HAVE to upgrade to their 2.2 is this actually important?
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Perhaps the message you received today is different from the one I got. The one I got didn't say I had to flash the update, it just implied as much by emphasizing what an "important" update this is. In any event, it's all a load of crap. The update is not required (it's your device; no one can make you flash a ROM that you don't want to install), and be advised that if you do flash it you won't be able to root. In fact, you'll lose root if you have it and you won't be able to get it back. AT&T can bite me.
This is what the txt message said:
AT&T Free Msg: An important software update is available for your HTC Aria. To update to Android 2.2, connect to http://www.htc.com/us/support/aria-att/downloads/ and follow the instructions.
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It is as Buck said, it is an optional suggestion.
Ok thanks guys I guess mines different they also said I need to install software to my phone
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I got one this afternoon.
I hate at and t
Im pretty sure we all got that same message. You dont HAVE to upgrade (or downgrade for those of us on 2.3 already ). Just delete the message and go on with your lives as usual.
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Ok thanks guys I guess mines different they also said I need to install software to my phone
AT&T Free Msg: An important software update is available for your HTC Aria. To update to Android 2.2, connect to http://www.htc.com/us/support/aria-att/downloads/ and follow the instructions.
This is what I received. In any event, disregard it.
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yah, i got the same message too. DELETE
told my friends also to disregard. Damn ATT trying to take control
I looked at the message as I was heading into the bank, laughed because I was already on 2.2 (Liberated FR008) and deleted the message.
Coming to find out, it was ironic that I received the message the same day AT&T started clamping down on iPhone users for tethering, since I had to use the hotspot function on an unlimited data plan the weekend before due to a fried cable modem in the house.
Deleted message. It was also on the day that I read somewhere that AT&T is buying out T Mobile. Another bad sign...The less competitors to AT&T = Higher pricing, less stability, poorer customer service and pretty much an all around awful experience..
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Yeah, like everyone has said don't be fooled into this update.
A friend of mine went to att and bought an android, but they helpfully updated the device before giving it to him. He promptly asked for a virgin device and they did so.
They will sell you what you want... well mostly. Heh
"Do you mind if I turn up the AC?"
So, hypothetically, say I'm an idiot
and updated with ATT before reading this forum post about how I won't be able to root/mod. Any estimates on how long it will take before 2.2 is rooted for the Aria? I now realize a few of the very simple things HTC/ATT haven't changed that would have helped a lot in simple day to day stuff, like light sensor control (why do those damn buttons at the bottom have to be so bright at night), and removing ATT bloatware.
Amen 2 that simplemobile is the bomb 60$ unlimited an 4g ooh nice fucc tmo an at&t
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Deleted message. It was also on the day that I read somewhere that AT&T is buying out T Mobile. Another bad sign...The less competitors to AT&T = Higher pricing, less stability, poorer customer service and pretty much an all around awful experience..
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I never understood the frustration or hate over any provider honestly.
AT&T/HTC finally coming around with their 2.2, which is great for folks who don't want to do what a lot of us do to the phone.
For the rest of us, delete/ignore the message. Nobody is forcing you to take 2.2. Situation resolved.
ATT isn't the bane of wireless communications. Fact is, no single provider out there is the end-all be-all godsend for everyone, because it's a volatile industry and everyone's wants/perceptions/experiences are different.
Many smaller networks piggyback/lease frequency/bands/bandwidth from the same towers we're all on. As such you're not going to see hellish lag or vastly deposed quality. Their network priority levels -might- change a bit, but they're not taking over the bandwidth. They were already on the same highway with us, just in a different lane.
If it's like any buyout, the inducted customers will be offered a package to stick with their grandfathered plan (if it has benefits over the company's standard plans), and will probably also keep the same limitations as before.
Example, if TMO had no service or roaming service in City A but ATT has service there, they won't get the service because of the grandfathered plan unless they go with a full ATT plan. Even though the whole time the only difference was a network flag somewhere saying that this person's account isn't authorized to use the tower in that city.
That's really what a lot of it boils down to most of the time.
SimpleMobile might work for someone, VZN might work for another.. etc.
Customer Service is always going to vary no matter what, that's based on expectations/experience. If you like the outcome you love the service, if not they suck. So take that out of the equation. Most of the big boys have similar plans right now, and have been playing the technology game.
Until someone decides to suddenly get fruity with plan prices or has some epic technology gamepiece to play.. it's going to remain mostly the same across the board.
We're all simply dollars and cents. We're a number in a database which is then multiplied by how much they pull from us annually, so they can forecast their own income. We pissed someone off, boo hoo, we have a few million other customers.
I'm not PRO ATT either. I help friends find what works for them. I give them advice based on what their needs/wants are. I used to be Bell South, then it went Cingular, now it's AT&T--and I've kept my original plan from day one because it's better than what any other provider has right now. Last I checked, 2 years ago, I'm one of two people in the entire ATT network with that particular plan. It works for me.
Good hunting to everyone out there, and enjoy the technoloigy.
I have been a long term customer of att and have for the most part been happy. However, it is frustrating that they charge for every feature versus other carriers who give it for free or cheaper.
I think for the most part there are good reasons why people bash the company. Maybe they should switch carriers if it bothers them enough, I'm not sure. However, my minor compliants do not warrant a switch.
Btw, a phone is now more than a voice communication device and to put artificial restrictions in software in my mind is absurd.
I'm happy for you that you have a great plan, but as you know the curent plans are poor in comparison. People are allowed to complain. Let them.
"Do you mind if I turn up the AC?"
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Deleted message. It was also on the day that I read somewhere that AT&T is buying out T Mobile. Another bad sign...The less competitors to AT&T = Higher pricing, less stability, poorer customer service and pretty much an all around awful experience..
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Doesn't this mean we get better signal ?
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Doesn't this mean we get better signal ?
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No. They use/share/pay for the same towers.
actually, as a tmobile customer you might have more access or something but, honestly, I really dont know..lol
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I have been a long term customer of att and have for the most part been happy. However, it is frustrating that they charge for every feature versus other carriers who give it for free or cheaper.
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I haven't compared their plans since summer, and at that point I'd compared their plans with VZN and Sprint, for someone else. At that time all 3 companies had the exact same plan offerings down to the feature and penny. Only difference was how each one billed data.
For this person, data wasn't an issue anyhow because they wanted a "regular" phone. So it came down to what phone they wanted, and they went VZN because ATT's regular phone selection blows whale chunks.
We didn't look at other smaller or competing providers because they didn't offer the same overall coverage as the big 3 did.
So what I'm saying is, I dunno what's out there now, but it seems the big 3 have similar plans as each other every time I look. Smaller competitors may have better options/plans/all-inclusive-stuff but again, you have to make sure it works for you.
And bear in mind one reason TMO scuttled the ship is because they were losing income fast.
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I think for the most part there are good reasons why people bash the company. Maybe they should switch carriers if it bothers them enough, I'm not sure. However, my minor compliants do not warrant a switch.
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Totally agree! "your mileage may vary", everyone's experience will be different. SprintPCS pissed me off years ago, one reason I was glad to drop them. They were undergoing heavy technical issues with their towers in our area, but because of how they had the phone programmed, even though it could roam digitally it didn't--they set it up to use their service only if we were near their signal.
Couldn't even dial 911 at one point, and I showed this to the techs. They tried with their phones.. same thing. The white-washed faces and lack of response said it all.
Prior to their working on the towers I dropped calls more frequently than I took steps walking. One time when I dropped my phone, the antenna broke off and part of the PCB was actually damaged--and it got a better signal.
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Btw, a phone is now more than a voice communication device and to put artificial restrictions in software in my mind is absurd.
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Totally agree! They've got their reasons though. They're there to stay in business, we're here to make use of their service. It's a matter of keeping each-other happy.
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I'm happy for you that you have a great plan, but as you know the curent plans are poor in comparison. People are allowed to complain. Let them.
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I didn't mean to come off as a jerk and hope nobody took it as such. I'm a huge supporter of getting your complaints out there and letting people know how your experience went.
I just hate it when I see endless complaints and it seems like none of it is fruitful. If you complain, that's good! Just try and make it count. Do more than complain, explain your situation so others can make informed decisions about which carrier to go to. Things like "XYZ Carrier SUCKS they should burn to the ground!" doesn't help anyone.
Not saying anyone here has done that! I just saw a stream of "random hate for various reasons" starting to come out, like I do everywhere, and wanted to encourage folks to try and make it count. And to understand how things operate a little bit better.
Happy hacking everyone
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I haven't compared their plans since summer, and at that point I'd compared their plans with VZN and Sprint, for someone else. At that time all 3 companies had the exact same plan offerings down to the feature and penny. Only difference was how each one billed data.
For this person, data wasn't an issue anyhow because they wanted a "regular" phone. So it came down to what phone they wanted, and they went VZN because ATT's regular phone selection blows whale chunks.
We didn't look at other smaller or competing providers because they didn't offer the same overall coverage as the big 3 did.
So what I'm saying is, I dunno what's out there now, but it seems the big 3 have similar plans as each other every time I look. Smaller competitors may have better options/plans/all-inclusive-stuff but again, you have to make sure it works for you.
And bear in mind one reason TMO scuttled the ship is because they were losing income fast.
Totally agree! "your mileage may vary", everyone's experience will be different. SprintPCS pissed me off years ago, one reason I was glad to drop them. They were undergoing heavy technical issues with their towers in our area, but because of how they had the phone programmed, even though it could roam digitally it didn't--they set it up to use their service only if we were near their signal.
Couldn't even dial 911 at one point, and I showed this to the techs. They tried with their phones.. same thing. The white-washed faces and lack of response said it all.
Prior to their working on the towers I dropped calls more frequently than I took steps walking. One time when I dropped my phone, the antenna broke off and part of the PCB was actually damaged--and it got a better signal.
Totally agree! They've got their reasons though. They're there to stay in business, we're here to make use of their service. It's a matter of keeping each-other happy.
I didn't mean to come off as a jerk and hope nobody took it as such. I'm a huge supporter of getting your complaints out there and letting people know how your experience went.
I just hate it when I see endless complaints and it seems like none of it is fruitful. If you complain, that's good! Just try and make it count. Do more than complain, explain your situation so others can make informed decisions about which carrier to go to. Things like "XYZ Carrier SUCKS they should burn to the ground!" doesn't help anyone.
Not saying anyone here has done that! I just saw a stream of "random hate for various reasons" starting to come out, like I do everywhere, and wanted to encourage folks to try and make it count. And to understand how things operate a little bit better.
Happy hacking everyone
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Ah, then we definitely agree. Thanks for clarifying your point. I understand completely. Cheers!
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Has anyone been caught / harassed by atnt for tethering or portable hotspot? I very rarely use these but have recently heard of them cracking down.
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