http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS22762811
Android will get 39.5% market share this year! Gooo Evo & Android!
long live htc!
If they want more customers they need to offer more choices. It would be a lot harder of a decision for me if they offered a 4+ inch screen.
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If they want more customers they need to offer more choices. It would be a lot harder of a decision for me if they offered a 4+ inch screen.
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Well Steve was quoted as saying 4" mobile phones are like SUV's, who wants a 4"+ phone?
So, if they did come out with one, Steve would be a big ass hypocrite, which wouldn't be the first time.
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Well Steve was quoted as saying 4" mobile phones are like SUV's, who wants a 4"+ phone?
So, if they did come out with one, Steve would be a big ass hypocrite, which wouldn't be the first time.
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Haha. Well he wont ever have my for a phone then ..
I wouldn't own an suv either. I tried to surf the web on an old hero... and it was painful (screen wise)
Our phones are mini personal computers. We like them to be as big as we can fit in our pockets while not being too bulky or heavy!
Also, regarding Steve Jobs making that comment, well, funny that he says that when his huge success right now is in the tablet industry and you see trendy Apple fanatics carry their iPad/2 everywhere they go! So, if a phone over 4" is an SUV and no one would want that, then the product fueling Apple so hard right now is, what, a jet?
Regarding what Steve jobs has said, I think the Evo is the perfect size.. I am a big guy also + I'm wearing carpenter jeans all the time. Still have plenty of room left in my pockets XD. Hell make the next evo after the 3d have a 4.5" screen just because they can.
One thing to consider is that Apple is not losing users (in fact, its still gaaining a lot of users), it just isn't growing as fast as Android. Some of you are talking about display size and features but like Windows the most likely answer is that Android is sweeping up the low end market. One of the most successful Android phones is the LG Optimus - a free or nearly free Android phone. I even bought two of them for relatives.
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One thing to consider is that Apple is not losing users (in fact, its still gaaining a lot of users), it just isn't growing as fast as Android. Some of you are talking about display size and features but like Windows the most likely answer is that Android is sweeping up the low end market. One of the most successful Android phones is the LG Optimus - a free or nearly free Android phone. I even bought two of them for relatives.
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Well, if their market share is shrinking to 15% by the end of the year, you bet they are losing users now. In the most recent report, they gained only 0.2% and that was including the Verizon iPhone launch, so w/o that, they were definitely in negative territory.
BTW, here's the quote:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/jobs-no-ones-going-to-buy-a-big-phone/
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Our phones are mini personal computers. We like them to be as big as we can fit in our pockets while not being too bulky or heavy!
Also, regarding Steve Jobs making that comment, well, funny that he says that when his huge success right now is in the tablet industry and you see trendy Apple fanatics carry their iPad/2 everywhere they go! So, if a phone over 4" is an SUV and no one would want that, then the product fueling Apple so hard right now is, what, a jet?
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You're totally right! What a hypocrite! It just proves that Steve will say anything to make money, EVEN LIE.
That sad part is that people are such sheep, they take it as gospel.
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Well, if their market share is shrinking to 15% by the end of the year, you bet they are losing users now. In the most recent report, they gained only 0.2% and that was including the Verizon iPhone launch, so w/o that, they were definitely in negative territory.
BTW, here's the quote:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/jobs-no-ones-going-to-buy-a-big-phone/
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I think the assumption in your statement is that there will not be improvement in their hardware -- larger screen, dual cores, etc. -- or that a CDMA/LTE version doesn't hit Sprint. And that a GSM/LTE-or-HSPA+ version isn't made available to T-Mobile types. As an OS, Android may rule the roost in terms of market share, but with 30 different manufacturers making an Android device, that's not hard.
The rumors of the demise of the iPhone, I believe, are quite premature.
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Well, if their market share is shrinking to 15% by the end of the year, you bet they are losing users now. In the most recent report, they gained only 0.2% and that was including the Verizon iPhone launch, so w/o that, they were definitely in negative territory.
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/jobs-no-ones-going-to-buy-a-big-phone/
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Share percentages != Absolute sales in numbers. .2% growth at this stage would be a lot more than .2% in its first year.
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I think the assumption in your statement is that there will not be improvement in their hardware -- larger screen, dual cores, etc. -- or that a CDMA/LTE version doesn't hit Sprint. And that a GSM/LTE-or-HSPA+ version isn't made available to T-Mobile types. As an OS, Android may rule the roost in terms of market share, but with 30 different manufacturers making an Android device, that's not hard.
The rumors of the demise of the iPhone, I believe, are quite premature.
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Apple has around 7-10% of the desktop/laptop market, yet it's one of the most profitable laptop/desktop OEMs. The same to a larger extent applies to smartphones. Android is almost certainly growing because of low to mid end offerings, variability (large screens, keyboards) also surely play a part but its obvious that apple has a strong hold on the high end market.
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Apple has around 7-10% of the desktop/laptop market, yet it's one of the most profitable laptop/desktop OEMs. The same to a larger extent applies to smartphones. Android is almost certainly growing because of low to mid end offerings, variability (large screens, keyboards) also surely play a part but its obvious that apple has a strong hold on the high end market.
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+1. Apple is the greatest. A-p-p-l-e is the shiznit to me. Yay me
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Android is pretty much stemming the tide of the previously unstoppable Apple. While Apple will continue to draw in new customers and of course, rake in much profit, their stream of customers will be steady, rather than the outrageous numbers they've previously had.
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Apple has around 7-10% of the desktop/laptop market, yet it's one of the most profitable laptop/desktop OEMs. The same to a larger extent applies to smartphones. Android is almost certainly growing because of low to mid end offerings, variability (large screens, keyboards) also surely play a part but its obvious that apple has a strong hold on the high end market.
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That's because Apple has created a sub-culture [of complete fools] where people believe every word that comes out of Jobs' mouth [http://www.geekwithlaptop.com/iphone-5-with-3d-camera] and are willing to pay two times the price just because of the sticker on the back.
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That's because Apple has created a sub-culture [of complete fools] where people believe every word that comes out of Jobs' mouth [http://www.geekwithlaptop.com/iphone-5-with-3d-camera] and are willing to pay two times the price just because of the sticker on the back.
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Of course. It has nothing to do with a preference towards a different OS or premium hardware build. Very few laptops come close, if at all, to a Macbook's build (materials, design, trackpad, keyboard, display, etc.). It IS expensive and you can definitely get more power for less, but you wont find the same build or a 100% stable build of OSX. Some people have different preferences but of course you think all of them are zombies - even the super techy, much better informed people I work with everyday.
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Of course. It has nothing to do with a preference towards a different OS or premium hardware build. Very few laptops come close, if at all, to a Macbook's build (materials, design, trackpad, keyboard, display, etc.). It IS expensive and you can definitely get more power for less, but you wont find the same build or a 100% stable build of OSX. Some people have different preferences but of course you think all of them are zombies - even the super techy, much better informed people I work with everyday.
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I have to agree here. Similar laptops, cost similar amounts...
(Have you seen the price tag on the thin lenovos?)
I will only own mac laptops. Desktops, now thats a different story.
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Of course. It has nothing to do with a preference towards a different OS or premium hardware build. Very few laptops come close, if at all, to a Macbook's build (materials, design, trackpad, keyboard, display, etc.). It IS expensive and you can definitely get more power for less, but you wont find the same build or a 100% stable build of OSX. Some people have different preferences but of course you think all of them are zombies - even the super techy, much better informed people I work with everyday.
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Here's what I know:
99/100 times an article like I posted is from an iphone place, not an Android place.
Moreover, my brother had a Mac. An iMac.
That thing was the biggest piece of **** ever.
With a sticker tag of little DOUBLE for the same specs of a Windows based system.
Thankfully his school paid for it and not him.
He actually went back and used his Acer Desktop to do his school work because of how terribly slow and crappy that computer was.
This is not about different preferences.
This is a cult following.
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Here's what I know:
99/100 times an article like I posted is from an iphone place, not an Android place.
Moreover, my brother had a Mac. An iMac.
That thing was the biggest piece of **** ever.
With a sticker tag of little DOUBLE for the same specs of a Windows based system.
Thankfully his school paid for it and not him.
He actually went back and used his Acer Desktop to do his school work because of how terribly slow and crappy that computer was.
This is not about different preferences.
This is a cult following.
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I would personally never own a iMac either, Macbooks are almost certainly the biggest pushers though and what we are talking about.
Related
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...till_half_baked_next_to_iphone_app_store.html
Quite the entertaining read, I applaud the degree of smugness, I could never be so pretentious towards something. It is apple insider though so take it worth a grain of salt.
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hrmm android market is changing to 15 minute refunds instead of 24 hours huh?
That sucks
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hrmm android market is changing to 15 minute refunds instead of 24 hours huh?
That sucks
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This is correct.
Currently the Android market is the only app store that has a refund policy. webOS, OVI store, BB store, and app store do not have one. So at least we have one at all, gives us an advantage. Reading that article from Appleinsider does not surprise me, they have been criticized for bad articles for a long time. Apple fanboys seem to be the worst of all the platform fanboys.
While the app store is a much better experience in my opinion, I don't understand why they boast that you can download apps up to 2GB in size on a device that has no expandable memory option?
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While the app store is a much better experience in my opinion, I don't understand why they boast that you can download apps up to 2GB in size on a device that has no expandable memory option?
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It's really no big deal. You can buy a new one each year with more geebees.
I will never understand why people would want to read something so biased.
Doesn't matter what side it's biased to.
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http://www.appleinsider.com/article...till_half_baked_next_to_iphone_app_store.html
Quite the entertaining read, I applaud the degree of smugness, I could never be so pretentious towards something. It is apple insider though so take it worth a grain of salt.
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haters gonna' hate but most of what they say is still mostly true.
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While the app store is a much better experience in my opinion, I don't understand why they boast that you can download apps up to 2GB in size on a device that has no expandable memory option?
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The EVO has something like 300 MB of internal free space for apps. Froyo's move to SD feature doesn't move the entire app to the SD, just non essential, storage type of app data. So even if you have a 32 GB SD card, you'll still eventually be hosed by the limited internal memory. You could root and modify to completely move the apps to the SD card but it's not perfect and it only benefits the 1% of users who know about rooting.
The iPhone on the other hand has a 32GB version without that limitation.
True, it does contain facts. Unfortunately, they are buried deeply under all of the overly opinionated bs. I mean, they are pretty much saying that its a nice little facelift and all, but the app store will always be better because its made by Apple, and we all know that anything Apple makes must be the best thing ever, assuming you're holding it right of course.
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Yeah most articles contain facts, somewhere, that doesn't make the obvious bias acceptable by any means.
And they neglect to mention the fact that, without root, you are free to download to, and install apps straight from, your computer...thus bypassing many of the complaints in the article.
How anyone can criticize Android for being "fragmented" then ignore that apple has taken the easy way out convincing a nearly blind mass that one device is "the best" and that it's not bizarre for everyone to carry around the exact same phone.. is beyond me.
Who knows, maybe apple isn't the only company trying to take over the world, but at least Google is giving anyone a shot at helping shape the Android experience.
Dear God, I really don't know how these people even walk around. Doesn't it physically hurt to be that much of a pretentious ass?
Mini-rant -
Almost every Android user can admit that the iPhone is pretty cool and has some neat features, while enjoying their own flavor of Android phone. However, I have only met ONE iPhone owner who has ever strayed from the path that Steve Jobs laid down for them and admitted that Android has it's own merits and advantages over iOS.
It's frustrating trying to have an intelligent conversation with an indoctrinated brick wall about the differences and awesomeness of both phones.
Good comedy on a slow morning. More facts were omitted than mentioned. Apple's invisible acceptance criteria for their own apps was totally ignored. Your app needs to benefit the future pov to be accepted. Can't blame him, the gui battle was painful.
Back on topic, it seems that itunes is the future hinge pin for apples' added capability. It offers an umbrella for moving content. So e-books and data and executables are all mac cloud by itunes.
So in as much as I have the utmost respect for apple, small minded blogs are really quite funny and indicate where the blind spots are.
Many years ago I learned to never discuss your competition unless they were a real threat and you were trying to divert attention away from your shortcomings by pointing out theirs.
We should consider it a compliment that a self proclaimed high end @pple resource found the need to dedicate time and bandwidth to defend their product by attacking ours.
And since Tom Tom was mentioned, who needs to buy a nav program for their phones these days? Oh, that's right, iPhone users do! Falling behind there, aren't they? I'll use my free nav and if I need something with on board maps,? I'll buy a whole PNA for around the price of the app. Apple has fallen far behind Android in navigation. I don't know how they can possibly catch up.
See how that works?
The problem with big games on the Android side is that there's been no equivalent to the iPod Touch and for the last 7 months, the dPad . The limited battery life off a modern smartphone still make it a relatively poor high power gaming platform. I bet without the Touch (and to a small part dPad), John Carmack wouldn't be talking favorably about the iPhone either. With the avalanche of tablets about to overtake us, that whole landscape may change. Meanwhile, we always have the Apple marketing created FUD that spews from their fanboi network to enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q2vjMeEquoand how many rappers make videos about the iphone? Lets see... none.
lets see how about the EVO... tons such as/....
http://www.goodandevo.net/2010/09/hd-music-video-shot-with-htc-evo-4g.html[/URL]
I personally can say from expierence when I was looking for a new phone the two phones I had in mind was the HTC EVO and the Iphone4 . I looked over both providers (Sprint vs AT&T) and compared prices and such . At the start of it all both phones were neck and neck for me . Then the Apple antenna issue popped up , I stepped back and watched how Apple would handle the situation , still keeping the HTC EVO in the back of my mind . After watching Steve Jobs talk about how users were holding thier phones wrong and how it was actually AT&T's fault due to their network it became a total finger pointing fight . Mean while the HTC EVO was still sitting there in my mind with very few issues besides a issue with battery life . After doing more research I found the Iphone also suffered from battery life issues itself . Months prior to its release the iphone was said to be having a removable battery , that feature never came to be when it was released . Long story short , Apple changing the removable battery idea and the Steve Jobs blow out It pretty much pointed me straight to Sprint and the HTC EVO . Ever since then I have never been happier , but I still see videos of apple owners who litterally look like zombies when talking about apple products . Hell the woman who activated my phone at Bestbuy had a iphone 3G and her words were "The iphone4 is awesome I must have it , Im going to get one" . Granted the statement alone wasnt funny but the fact he eyes litterally buldged out and glazed over was the killer part .To add further insult to injury , there was a small crowd of Iphone4 owners there was well when I got mine . I over heard comments like this "Ohh you wont drop calls if you hold it like this." "No you are holding it wrong hold it like this" . I was littlerally besides myself laughing my ass off listening to the whole conversation . Apple owners might consider us Android owners lower than them , but I can say this much Id much rather be with the lower crowd then in that crowd ROFL
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It's really no big deal. You can buy a new one each year with more geebees.
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Just like Apple intended!
Sorry if it is off topic but a 4g blackberry tablet with a dual core processor what do you guys think
http://now.sprint.com/playbook/
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BlackBerry? That's unexpected.
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BlackBerry? That's unexpected.
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It's been known for a while now. Well, except Sprint officially carrying it. But um, who'd want a RIM product? iOS, Android, and WP7 are going to have the most support by both developers and community.
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It's been known for a while now. Well, except Sprint officially carrying it. But um, who'd want a RIM product? iOS, Android, and WP7 are going to have the most support by both developers and community.
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Yeah, I did some research and it was supposed to be WiFi only and/or allow tethering to an existing BB phone to power the tablet.
Smart of them to change their minds, they would not be able to compete without data. 4G can't hurt.
idk it is a blackberry and running their os. could be drama in the long end, but if the hardware is in there for 4g, that makes me believe that you could set it up as a phone with a dialer... could be a combo of old school meets new school.
a Blackberry tablet ...
... who was the fool at Sprint who green-lighted backing this hot mess? RIMs target audience and the typical tablets target audience aren't even close to the same focus groups ... a square peg/round hole failure. Has RIM ever competed in the home user space? Apple at least has worked in that arena, Google clouds absolutely everything, RIM does ... well ... email.
I predict failure here.
looks nice probably be nice for corporate email? I just do not want a tablet tied to contract and do not want some just no name tablet.
From what I hear there's no built in support for calendar or email - those features won't work unless tethered to a blackberry. The os is actually supposed to be pretty impressive though.
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The tablet looks well built..i hate blackberry os, but i would consider rocking this. I signed up for alerts.
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a Blackberry tablet ...
... who was the fool at Sprint who green-lighted backing this hot mess? RIMs target audience and the typical tablets target audience aren't even close to the same focus groups ... a square peg/round hole failure. Has RIM ever competed in the home user space? Apple at least has worked in that arena, Google clouds absolutely everything, RIM does ... well ... email.
I predict failure here.
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To answer that question I'd have to say yes! I love that there is this huge envisioning by the tech world that BB is only used by businesses.
BB may not do nearly as much marketing and focus on non-business users, but I can say that 35-45% of my friends have a BB as their PERSONAL phone. Not because all of the "business" advantage, but because BB makes attractive, ergonomic, simple to use phones and people do buy them. Not to mention brand recognition, how many people do you know that wouldn't know what "blackberry" is?
Now ask that same person about "android" or "WP7"...
The re-written BB OS is actually pretty sleek looking IMO, so I wouldn't say it's a completely horrible idea for Sprint to take this on. Plus many of the businesses would certainly fall into the potential for stocking these up given their employees are all robots equipped with BBs...
Meh...
Just because it's not Google/Apple/Microsoft doesn't mean it won't be a success or that it's a "hot mess".
Les we forget that RIM was top of the mobile world for a long time.
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Meh...
Just because it's not Google/Apple/Microsoft doesn't mean it won't be a success or that it's a "hot mess".
Les we forget that RIM was top of the mobile world for a long time.
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RIM is a sinking ship. Of all the OS', BBOS is destined to have the least support from developers. Their SDK is also based on AIR/Flash, a dying platform if I ever seen one.
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RIM is a sinking ship. Of all the OS', BBOS is destined to have the least support from developers. Their SDK is also based on AIR/Flash, a dying platform if I ever seen one.
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I think with a nice breath of fresh air they can be a competitor again.
Having the user base, even though it is dwindling, definitely puts them in a good position still.
I think it's really silly to count anyone out at this point in any mobile business, ESPECIALLY tablets.
Per example, Android was practically NOTHING last year...
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The difference is that Android was a startup that was growing from nothing. RIM is a dinosaur that is dying and making mistakes by frantically looking for solutions.
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The difference is that Android was a startup that was growing from nothing. RIM is a dinosaur that is dying and making mistakes by frantically looking for solutions.
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I can come up with 100 logical reasons why Android shouldn't be where it's at right now.
I think this tablet could help revive BB.
And I certainly don't think it's silly for Sprint to carry it.
With the lack of Sprint news from CES I was very surprised by this move.. Of all the tablets with that mobile focus mentioned a few months ago the PlayBook was the one I was most excited about. Unfortunately I doubt it will be a star by the time it releases as I've already seen a number of tablets from CES that would mop the floor with the PlayBook.
It'll be 4-6 months before we make another mover forward with a new halo handset IMO.
I would buy one of the blackberry tablets before I bought a crummy apple tablet... Apple is a joke and there os is even more of joke... But android on the other hand is far superior to any other tablet out there. If the android tablets didnt exist I would definitley buy a blackberry tablet though.
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Apple was a dying dinosaur before Steve Jobs came back and then they came up with new computer designs and took off with the ibook, ipod, etc.
Android Now More Popular Than iPhone In US
http://www.youmobile.org/blogs/entry/Android-Now-More-Popular-Than-iPhone-In-US
well i guess we all knew that part but reading on it said this...
In terms of the wider market including feature phones Samsung saw its U.S. marketshare increase from 23.6% to 24.5%. Everyone else saw their marketshare decline, LG losing 0.3% to stand at 20.9%, Motorola down 1.8% to 17% and RIM losing 0.2% for a total of 8.8%.
so why all the hate on samsung phones?
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Android Now More Popular Than iPhone In US
http://www.youmobile.org/blogs/entry/Android-Now-More-Popular-Than-iPhone-In-US
well i guess we all knew that part but reading on it said this...
In terms of the wider market including feature phones Samsung saw its U.S. marketshare increase from 23.6% to 24.5%. Everyone else saw their marketshare decline, LG losing 0.3% to stand at 20.9%, Motorola down 1.8% to 17% and RIM losing 0.2% for a total of 8.8%.
so why all the hate on samsung phones?
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I think MOST of the hate towards Samsung is that they're slow to update software, followed by buggy OS releases, and finally the plastic construction.
I personally think they're making the best hardware out there right now, with some compelling products, as long as you can someone else (like Google or the dev community here) to make the software "right."
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Can't wait till the Verizon iPhone comes out next week. The competition between Android and iOS is going to REALLY heat up and will result in much better phones for us
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I think MOST of the hate towards Samsung is that they're slow to update software, followed by buggy OS releases, and finally the plastic construction.
I personally think they're making the best hardware out there right now, with some compelling products, as long as you can someone else (like Google or the dev community here) to make the software "right."
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+1
I actually prefer the plastic construction. Using a metal touch-screen phone when the temperature is below freezing is not comfortable.
Also, what would happen if I dropped the phone? The Samsung frame and exterior parts would break, but by doing so less shock would be transmitted to the expensive parts inside. Which is how a motorcycle helmet works.
The worst thing about Samsung is the software. My I5700 will never be "right". A few dozen OS updates have been made, but nobody knows why, because none of the big bugs were ever fixed. Good hardware, lousy software.
I think it would be fair to say that 2010 was the year for Samsung, and judging by CES, 2011 will be the year for Motorola. And as far as the Verizon iphone goes, if what I heard is true (which would be a dumb move on Apple's part) and the iphone 4 will be coming out in the next month or so, Apple better have figured out their antena issue or there will be some very unhappy Verizon customers out there.
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I think it would be fair to say that 2010 was the year for Samsung, and judging by CES, 2011 will be the year for Motorola. And as far as the Verizon iphone goes, if what I heard is true (which would be a dumb move on Apple's part) and the iphone 4 will be coming out in the next month or so, Apple better have figured out their antena issue or there will be some very unhappy Verizon customers out there.
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Not sure I agree that 2011 will the year of Motorola.
Samsung's announced (and released already) some compelling products for 2011. It's not just ALL about CPU speed or # of cores.
Granted it's a matter of preference, but in my opinion, no one's come close to Samsung's SAMOLED screens yet (iPhone 4's close, but not there), and SAMOLED Plus screens should be even better. With LTE phones and some really smart tablet designs, Samsung certainly going to be competitive.
Personally, I don't see myself with anything that's not SAMOLED or better...display size and appearance is most important to me these days, as long as the CPU/GPU are fast enough for my apps. So far 1ghz single core is there. Dual core not interesting until there's a killer app I need that requires it. Maybe in 20102...?
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I think it would be fair to say that 2010 was the year for Samsung, and judging by CES, 2011 will be the year for Motorola. And as far as the Verizon iphone goes, if what I heard is true (which would be a dumb move on Apple's part) and the iphone 4 will be coming out in the next month or so, Apple better have figured out their antena issue or there will be some very unhappy Verizon customers out there.
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Who knows, Samsung might end up being on the top again this year depending on what announces they have at Mobile World Conference. I doubt Motorola has anything else up their sleeves if they are attending that conference after seeing what they announced at CES.
True, I tell everyone that samsung makes the best hardware in the mobile market. When I bought my Captivate, one of my iphone friends was sorely tempted to switch to the Captivate. So, software issues aside, Samsung hardware is the best out there at the moment. But the Atrix looks like it's going to be a serious piece of hardware.
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True, I tell everyone that samsung makes the best hardware in the mobile market. When I bought my Captivate, one of my iphone friends was sorely tempted to switch to the Captivate. So, software issues aside, Samsung hardware is the best out there at the moment. But the Atrix looks like it's going to be a serious piece of hardware.
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Too bad Motoblur will ruin it, not to mention.. Motorola's hatred on opening the bootloader (*Cough* Droid X *cough*)
Can't wait till the Verizon iPhone comes out next week. The competition between Android and iOS is going to REALLY heat up and will result in much better phones for us
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I highly doubt thats true, the iPhone is only ONE phone.. whereas Android is coming out from all directions. There's a new android phone/tablet/whatever coming out every other month, iPhone is coming out.. like every year or two?
I never even considered iPhone to be a competitor in terms of hardware.
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I highly doubt thats true, the iPhone is only ONE phone.. whereas Android is coming out from all directions. There's a new android phone/tablet/whatever coming out every other month, iPhone is coming out.. like every year or two?
I never even considered iPhone to be a competitor in terms of hardware.
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You don't think that the iPhone being released on America's 2nd biggest carrier will affect competition? Well here's a humbling fact:
Nobody who posts on XDA affects smartphone sales. We are a negligible fraction of smartphone users. You know who use smartphones, especially iPhones? Every teenager in America. Every college student in America. Mothers. Fathers. Grandparents. Everyone outside the small walls of XDA.
All of those people will perk up when then iPhone is released on Verizon. And the added competition will, necessarily, drive innovation for Android. That's a Good Thing.
You may not consider the iPhone as anything comparable to Android, and of course myself and everyone else who has the will to create an XDA account would agree, but the rest of the world does. And they're the ones that drive innovation, not us.
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Too bad Motoblur will ruin it, not to mention.. Motorola's hatred on opening the bootloader (*Cough* Droid X *cough*)
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So true. When I see all the great phones being released in 2011 with crazy amazing specs, all I can think is, "too bad they will all be crippled by the manufacturers and carriers."
Oh well, this Nexus S will ride me through all the guinea pig dual core phones of 2011.
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You don't think that the iPhone being released on America's 2nd biggest carrier will affect competition? Well here's a humbling fact:
Nobody who posts on XDA affects smartphone sales. We are a negligible fraction of smartphone users. You know who use smartphones, especially iPhones? Every teenager in America. Every college student in America. Mothers. Fathers. Grandparents. Everyone outside the small walls of XDA.
All of those people will perk up when then iPhone is released on Verizon. And the added competition will, necessarily, drive innovation for Android. That's a Good Thing.
You may not consider the iPhone as anything comparable to Android, and of course myself and everyone else who has the will to create an XDA account would agree, but the rest of the world does. And they're the ones that drive innovation, not us.
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I totaly agree with your last part.. oh well.. i guess we have to get used to it that we are the elite minority
Jokes aside.. the iPhone can be consisered as a competitor only because it is just another smartphone like all the Android phones out there.. when it comes to advancement the Android will always be ahead because of the sheer number of devices being available.. hetherto the iPhone is the iPod of the mp3 players..and its considered a trendy brand all teenagers must have until they grow up and get influenced by us veterans
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You don't think that the iPhone being released on America's 2nd biggest carrier will affect competition? Well here's a humbling fact:
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I think you're making it out to be a bigger deal than it is really. Yes I'm sure there will be decent VZW iphone sales, but most of the people who want an icrap already have one by now.
I really doubt there's even 10m icrap lovers out there on VZW that couldnt make the switch because they could get any service from ATT. 10m additional icrap users is nothing when android is has 300k new activations every day.
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You don't think that the iPhone being released on America's 2nd biggest carrier will affect competition? Well here's a humbling fact:
Nobody who posts on XDA affects smartphone sales. We are a negligible fraction of smartphone users. You know who use smartphones, especially iPhones? Every teenager in America. Every college student in America. Mothers. Fathers. Grandparents. Everyone outside the small walls of XDA.
All of those people will perk up when then iPhone is released on Verizon. And the added competition will, necessarily, drive innovation for Android. That's a Good Thing.
You may not consider the iPhone as anything comparable to Android, and of course myself and everyone else who has the will to create an XDA account would agree, but the rest of the world does. And they're the ones that drive innovation, not us.
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The competition between Android and iOS is going to REALLY heat up and will result in much better phones for us
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Now what does he mean by better phones?
- Better Hardware? I highly doubt it, like I said previously; iOS is only one phone and releases every one or two years (Whatever it is) whereas Android releases one every other week. iPhone may beat the competition and have that "king" for a couple of months, but it is just a matter of time until something else takes over. iOS is only one phone, Android is attacking iOS from all angles (Motorola, Samsung, LG, HTC, and more).
- Better Firmware with newer updates? This may be on Apple's side due to Android's fragmentation but that is mainly due to manufacturers and the carriers. But since this is the Nexus forum, we're pretty much guaranteed to have the newest and latest Android version.
How exactly is this competition? There's a saying that says, "quality over quantity." Just because Lady Gaga is getting more sales than another artist doesn't mean that she's a better artist. Or another example is, just because more people use Windows.. does it necessarily mean that its a better OS than Linux? No. It just means that it is more "mainstream," it necessarily doesn't mean its better. For as I care, I can really care less about the numbers that iOS is selling compared to Android. This is pretty much Mac vs. Windows revisited but on a more portable battlefield.
And I highly doubt that Verizon would stop marketing the "Droid" just because they have the iPhone. Droid has been a highly successful marketing term for them.
Nobody who posts on XDA affects smartphone sales. We are a negligible fraction of smartphone users. You know who use smartphones, especially iPhones? Every teenager in America. Every college student in America. Mothers. Fathers. Grandparents. Everyone outside the small walls of XDA.
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Stereotypical much? That's like saying every teenager in the U.S. has a iPod. Yeah the majority has one but does it mean every single one of them have a iPod? No.
And XDA has a iPhone section, just saying.
Also.... as another backup statement, since iPhone is not exclusive to ONE carrier in Europe.. they have multiple carriers (Vodafone, T-Mobile UK, etc)... take a look at their perspective. Take a look at who's striving there, Android or iOS?
Now that Samsung is faster, thinner, and lighter than the ipad 2, apparently that doesn't matter to steve jobs any more.
Thoughts?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyEpaPEbjzI
Honestly, isn't it the case now that Jobs isn't spearing the marketing campaign anymore? The commercials lack the douchey weird quality that they had and now almost seem boring, cold. Maybe it's just me...
But yea, when one marketing strategy doesn't work you shift to another.
Ipad 2 strategy up to now has been mostly about speed, weight, size, and to a much lesser extent, apps. Now that the first three are not theirs for much longer, apple is doing damage control marketing to go back on what they said before... Speed, weight, and size are nice... But it's all about the apps... Standard apple douche move.
Sure it sounds bad, but I cannot wait for jobs to die. Then some of the dislike I have for apple might go... But I doubt it.
Haha well I don't Llke Steve jobs either but I don't really want him to die but to each their own I guess haha
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Ipad 2 strategy up to now has been mostly about speed, weight, size, and to a much lesser extent, apps. Now that the first three are not theirs for much longer, apple is doing damage control marketing to go back on what they said before... Speed, weight, and size are nice... But it's all about the apps... Standard apple douche move.
Sure it sounds bad, but I cannot wait for jobs to die. Then some of the dislike I have for apple might go... But I doubt it.
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Are you serious right now? You want someone to drop dead because they know how to market their products properly? Apple is a business. Business is about money. If you have to bash your competition, and make your product seem like a god compared to all the others, you will do it. Hate him if you will, he knows what he is doing. He is a sleezy business man making millions with a cult like following for his brand. However, his attitude is a major flaw. He doesn't seem like the nicest of people.
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Are you serious right now? You want someone to drop dead because they know how to market their products properly? Apple is a business. Business is about money. If you have to bash your competition, and make your product seem like a god compared to all the others, you will do it. Hate him if you will, he knows what he is doing. He is a sleezy business man making millions with a cult like following for his brand. However, his attitude is a major flaw. He doesn't seem like the nicest of people.
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Yes, I think jobs is a prick and an elitist arsehole since I became aware of him in the 80ies. It's mostly his personality (snobbish commercials and lack of choice in hardware also) that keep me from giving apple a fair shake when evaluating their products. With him truly out of the picture... The choice in hardware is better...
Like you said, cult of personality. I can't stand cults
Isn't Jobs on medical leave still? Since I haven't read news about "OMG, Steve Jobs is now back and doing well again!" But then again, I don't know the process these big companies go through.
What apple has over any android tablet is availability here the the uk, you can walk into any electronics retailer and buy an ipad, but if you want an android tablet (example asus transformer, acer iconia which are both for sale) 'can i buy one today, over the counter'? no you'll have to order one which takes a week
What's the point of having electrical retailers that don't know what retail means?
The basics of supply and demand
If i wanted to buy online and wait a week i would buy from ebay
In here the Netherlands, you must wait a month to get an ipad2.
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What apple has over any android tablet is availability here the the uk, you can walk into any electronics retailer and buy an ipad, but if you want an android tablet (example asus transformer, acer iconia which are both for sale) 'can i buy one today, over the counter'? no you'll have to order one which takes a week
What's the point of having electrical retailers that don't know what retail means?
The basics of supply and demand
If i wanted to buy online and wait a week i would buy from ebay
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You can walk into pc world and buy an android tablet over the counter and buyitdirect sell them over the counter too. Including the acer iconia.
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You can walk into pc world and buy an android tablet over the counter and buyitdirect sell them over the counter too. Including the acer iconia.
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PC world have never heard of the Asus transformer, and the iconia is mail order only
Buyitdirect won't have the transformer until may.
On the television news today they're stating that retails sales are lowest for 11 months!! is it hardly surprising. If you read a review about something that's ****, and would spend twice the time being repaired than what you would using it, then we've got loads of those, but if you want something that's remotely decent we don't stock it in store.
Might as well live in outback Botswana
It may be going about it different but usually big corporations tend to try something new if the first doesnt work. I can't blame Steve Job...but then again I'm not a super hardcore wish someone dead for making a ipad commercial android fan.
You can get a vega, xoom and one or two other android tablets at pcworld.
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Ahaha, I love how apple, having nothing to show except scaled up iphone apps is forcing into the ad "medical professionals uses of the ipad".
Not only this looks elitist and even colder but it is also completly unappropriate for medical use. I do work into the field of radiology and hell a 1080* res screen is way way way too much fail to look at radios or CT scans. You'd have to zoom in all the time and miss the bigger picture. Another point is also that a iOS device cannot plug into a classic medical environment that is 99% of the times using windows computers or remote servers without even a WIFI connectivity for security reasons.
Too long didn't read : Apple ipad2 makes you a doctor and allows your spoiled children to draw numbers with their fingers while their brain and cerebellous white matter is wiring, so that obviously, they won't even be able to handle a pen later on. Technology is not enough, you just need the smug.
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Ahaha, I love how apple, having nothing to show except scaled up iphone apps is forcing into the ad "medical professionals uses of the ipad".
Not only this looks elitist and even colder but it is also completly unappropriate for medical use. I do work into the field of radiology and hell a 1080* res screen is way way way too much fail to look at radios or CT scans. You'd have to zoom in all the time and miss the bigger picture. Another point is also that a iOS device cannot plug into a classic medical environment that is 99% of the times using windows computers or remote servers without even a WIFI connectivity for security reasons.
Too long didn't read : Apple ipad2 makes you a doctor and allows your spoiled children to draw numbers with their fingers while their brain and cerebellous white matter is wiring, so that obviously, they won't even be able to handle a pen later on. Technology is not enough, you just need the smug.
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Yea the whole medical app thing is a bit comical to me. I guess it's nice to have, but so what? 99.9% of the people who own an iPad don't buy one for the functionality mentioned there. Apple touted "thinner, lighter, faster" until none of those were true anymore and now it's "all about the apps". Outside of Netflix, there's nothing that it has that I want.
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While I agree that the commercial is excessive, what marketing isn't. Let's keep it friendly in here, as many users here on XDA also happen to like iPads.
Bukem75 said:
Now that Samsung is faster, thinner, and lighter than the ipad 2, apparently that doesn't matter to steve jobs any more.
Thoughts?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyEpaPEbjzI
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Below is recent iPad 2 commercial from apple about how great there product is. It is half way down the page. You have to watch a 30 sec ad before the video plays.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2381447,00.asp
Also below is a video that apple will be airing soon on there new product that is coming out later this year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l24Sy4BWeOk
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Below is recent iPad 2 commercial from apple about how great there product is. It is half way down the page. You have to watch a 30 sec ad before the video plays.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2381447,00.asp
Also below is a video that apple will be airing soon on there new product that is coming out later this year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l24Sy4BWeOk
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lol, awesome
Lol.. debating with a friend on fb. Hoping someone can give me a good rebuttal i can paste in there from a dev standpoint and hand him his lunch...lol Couldn't copy the txt, so I took screen shots.
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Not sure why it didn't post, but this should have been the first pic...
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Not sure if this will work if your not a fb friend, but you could probably just go on there and post a comment....
http://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3049399597356&id=1334203680&set=a.1083637414530.2011328.1334203680&__user=1628373668
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Android is open source and the hardware is in no way cheap unless you buy cheap phones. To take real android in account, use a galaxy nexus.
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The best thing for you to do is not argue with people who are overly indulged in their opinions. Whatever info you get, they'll counter it with some misc. B.S. It's better to just reply nicely with a smile .
Haters hate on smileys
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Android is open source and the hardware is in no way cheap unless you buy cheap phones. To take real android in account, use a galaxy nexus.
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Yeah, one of his posts he said he used one, and that it was just "fragmented garbage"
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He's right..Android is not a phone....it's thousands of phones as opposed to the iphone is but 1. As far as quality, I have dropped my phone 4 times on the hard tile of Walmart (stupid memo app for shopping lists) and barely a mark on it. My buddy is on his 5th iphone from each drop it shattered and killed the screen...there is your quality. But Masaidjet is correct, you can't argue with iphone fanatics...they already proved their mental state in their choice of a phone made for children to use.
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He's right..Android is not a phone....it's thousands of phones as opposed to the iphone is but 1. As far as quality, I have dropped my phone 4 times on the hard tile of Walmart (stupid memo app for shopping lists) and barely a mark on it. My buddy is on his 5th iphone from each drop it shattered and killed the screen...there is your quality. But M is correct, you can't argue with iphone fanatics...they already proved their mental state in their choice of a phone made for children to use.
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A friend of mines yesterday said BB's are better than Android phones new & old..... long story short he's no longer my friend.
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Pathetic iphone fan boy... you can't argue with those types. Just have pride YOU know what OS is better. =] as well as what phone is better... Its really pointless trying to talk a fanboy into thinking he's wrong...
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Yeah, I'm starting to realize that...lol. Figure you guys would get a kick out of his responses though.
Here is a new one after I told him I was able to install third party apps out of the box...
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Yeah, I'm starting to realize that...lol. Figure you guys would get a kick out of his responses though.
Here is a new one after I told him I was able to install third party apps out of the box...
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Ugh stop before I go on a fanboy onslaught.... this **** pisses me off. Dafuq he means better CPU/GPU let's see that pathetic iP5 compete with the gs3... idiot you don't gain **** jailbreaking... you get what cydia??? That's it.... =]
/endofrant
*composure*
Stop arguing with him... he is blinded and will never recover from the tragedy of iOS.
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Lol...good times! He did lol about how he enjoys these talks, because the android fans and isheep will fight to the bitter end about this stuff. Im no dev, so i cant get into it too deep with him
Frustrating and entertaining at the same time!
Edit: maybe I should just link him to this thread...
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Wish I could post something like this as a response in the fb thread...lol
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Jst remind him that steve jobs died.. that would make him cry and curse android as he crawls back under his rock
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"Never argue with a fool - they will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience."
^ THAT!
Why did you post this? All it did was piss me off.
1. Samsung made the iPad3s "revolutionary" display. They even project to buy billions in parts from Samsung this year.
2. My friend has an iPhone 4S. And the retina display DOES NOT look better. It's far more washed out and far less saturated. You can not even compare the colors even at stock values.
3. The hardware IS pushing limits. The iPhone 4S' 800MHZ dual-core processor is outdated. And comparing it to the Atrix, which came out March of 2011, it is. Does Joe not know that the One X just came out with a ****ing 1.5GHZ quad-core processor? The screen sizes are much larger, have higher resolutions, deeper colors, curved displays, and lets not forget Gorilla glass. How are they going to release the iPad 3 with a dual-core processor and still charge that price?
4. How is Joe going to talk about the quality of the iPhone? That's absolute babel. Anyone in their right mind would know making a cell phone out of glass and an easily shatterable display makes paying $399.99 for anything not worth while. You drop that four hundred dollar POS? IT'S BROKEN! The back will shatter! The screen will crack! What the hell is innovative about that?! "All manufactures are trying to do is catch up to the quality and hardware" ***** please. Android abandoned that disgusting look and feel loooong ago. We ***** slapped you with no buttons, we ***** slapped you with better hardware, and we utterly raped you with what Android can do compared to primitive operating system. Ubuntu for Android is the perfect example.
5. He misused fragmentation and clearly put invocation where innovation should go. His grammar and punctuation is awful in some spots, and his use of words he doesn't really understand is consistent. And please bro, don't ever jump on us about bashing you for stealing functionality. Apple invented that. Apple invented and maintains backstabbing tactics, and has successfully set back technology years. Please, read this. Because it would take me too much time to explain why Apple is the devil and why Steve Jobs deserves to burn in hell for all eternity.
6. **** jailbreaking! How DARE he compare that to rooting?! How DARE he think that could be anything like it in any way? Android out of the box can install 3rd-party applications. And that seems to be the only thing he could say about that! Android being open-source should be enough to shut him up about that, but because he is clearly so stupid and doesn't know any technological terms outside of the tech blog he must read, he is oblivious the the capabilities of Android. This guy must think Steve Jobs was truly Jesus.
People like this are the blight of the world. The only thing I hate more than Apple are the people using their products. Especially the ones who know nothing about anything technological. Android is the best mobile operating system hands down. Not because it's disgustingly simple and "easy to use", but because it's capable of doing far more than iOS could ever hope to do. Android being open-source allows it to do ANYTHING. Any feature in existence and every feature to be invented can be and will be brought the the Android platform. "From a developers standpoint, there is no comparison in my eyes." Anyone who knows anything about actual development has dumped iOS. Because whether you know it or not, Android has taken over the mobile platform. People have left iOS for cheaper, more durable, more powerful, and all around better platform. So if you want to delude yourself into thinking that iOS and Android are still comparable. go ahead, but you're only kidding yourself.
That....is epic!!! Love it! Sorry for stirring the pot today, but did get some lulz! You guys rock! Good stuff.
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And further to Darkie's rant; my buddy jailbroke 2 iPhones (4 and 4S) and both of them bricked. Had to pay Apple iGeeks a fortune to reload lousy OS. I can bring my phone back to Sprint and they don't give a flying rat's ass if its rooted or not.
Well, I hate to anger you guys further, but just got to my computer checking mail, FB, etc. And seen he commented again. I haven't been home for a while, so I have been yet to paste any of your responses there.
This is a long one too, but now I can cut and paste it.....
"It's always the same arguments. Citing 20 different phones, 100 different features, who has what first, etc.... It's the same on both sides of the argument. It all boils down to preference... Both sides will fight tooth and nail to make their points heard. But nobody can deny the fact that no matter what Android OS you're on, or what phone ( HTC, Samsung, Google, Motorola, etc ) they are never compared to each other or previous models, they are all compared to the iPhone. Since that is true, you gotta ask yourself, if Android is so much better regardless of manufacturer, then why? It's not apple or "iSheep" making these comparisons. It's rating companies, magazines, and media making these comparisons. The iDevices do, and always will stand alone. And every new phone will be compared to it. I don't think less of Android users... There is an argument to be made about anything. My personal preference is the iPhone ( being someone who as had and used both OSs and Android on several different platforms ). A lot of argument comes from people, and developers, who have never even owned an iPhone. Maybe just played with one in a store or tooled around on a friends. As iPhone users/developers/jailbreakers, we all agree that Apples restrictions to content is for the most part bull****. So to argue that one is better than the other from a downloadable content standpoint is valid. But I prefer the solid foundation that the iPhone provides. I think the OS is better implemented and that the hardware is superior to any competitor. Since I am able to jailbreak my device, I can install any software I choose, and again in my opinion is better than any content available in the Android Marketplace or on the stock Android OS. The rest is pure marketing. Are there pros and cons? Depends on what you need your device for. The simple fact is, Apples iOS is designed specifically for the iPhone. There are not 50 platforms. Android is open source so any manufacturer can add whatever feature sets they want to the OS. I think that's the biggest downfall, but that's how these companies sell their devices and try to set themselves apart from other manufactures. Android/Google don't care what features they add or what hardware manufactures install the OS on. The manufacturers pay to use the OS. Same with windows phones/computers. There is no quality control other than applications and software extensions have to meet minimum requirements to get licensing. All these manufactures have is themselves to compete with and usually offer up 1 "premium" model thats build to retail markup is ridiculous because for the most part, they use the cheapest commercially available hardware that meets spec sheet, not actual, performance standards. They put it all together in pretty cases with impressive looking feature sets then install a OS that was not designed to work on that particular hardware setup. Then they box it and ship it. That's why the UI is fragmented, but it's got a lot of appealing features that people gotta have. They tend to ignore the performance issues because they got all these bells and whistles on a 4 inch screen. Some features are useful innovations, but they come from developers outside of Google. Google buys software and implements it. Apple is not so open to outside development, but like Android, most of the innovative features were inspired from the developers in the jailbreak community and rewritten by Apple to work with the hardware. The point is, everything Apple is designed and implemented internally and each component is built by vendors to exacting specs. Much more quality control which produces a much more solid device. They have control over everything right down to the batteries and it is all designed with performance and durability in mind, they don't cut corners. The build to retail margins are much different... That's why they are more expensive and carriers are taking a hit selling them at contract prices even tho those prices are 2-4 times greater than Android based phones."
"Never argue with stupid people. They will bring you down to their level, and defeat you with their experience." -Mark Twain
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