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I currently have an old HTC Diamond and am ready for an upgrade.
Telus' new 3.5G network runs HSDPA / WCDMA 1900/850.
I read that ATT runs on 1900/850? Or at least 850? If I got an unlocked ATT Nexus one would it have both the 1900 and the 850 band?
DeadShawn said:
I currently have an old HTC Diamond and am ready for an upgrade.
Telus' new 3.5G network runs HSDPA / WCDMA 1900/850.
I read that ATT runs on 1900/850? Or at least 850? If I got an unlocked ATT Nexus one would it have both the 1900 and the 850 band?
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And what, might I ask, is an "ATT Nexus one"? Nexus one is sold and branded by GOOGLE. It has UMTS 900/1700/2100. This is NOT the same as ATT frequencies, which are, as you mention, 850/1900.
The difference is that ATT has an EDGE network and GN1 supports EDGE at 850/900/1800/1900. BELUS does NOT.
If you want to use GN1 in Canada, I recommend you switch providers to WIND. Their rates are WAY better, and they run on UMTS 1700/2100, which is compatible with GN1.
I get a really *really* good deal with Telus. Unlimited data, more txt and minuets then ill ever use, all the extras (caller id, voice mail) and all for under $45. I make good use of the unlimited data via tethering.
Switching from telus isn't an option.
Oh, and sorry for calling it an ATT Nexus One, I was simply implying it was available on the ATT network, my mistake.
The version of the nexus one that works on ATT's 3g has not been released yet. It recently passed through the FCC, but AFAIK the only one available now is the T-mobile version.
You should be good though buying an ATT 3g version when they come out. Who knows maybe sales to Canada will be open by then.
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The version of the nexus one that works on ATT's 3g has not been released yet. It recently passed through the FCC, but AFAIK the only one available now is the T-mobile version.
You should be good though buying an ATT 3g version when they come out. Who knows maybe sales to Canada will be open by then.
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that's pretty much the information I was looking for, thank you.
Hi,
I wanted to get the Motorola Droid Milestone from selectgsm but i'm not sure if it would work on Rogers in Canada. I am not sure about the network capability, if there is anyone who can help me and tell me if this phone would work or not work it would be greatly appreciated. BTW on the website it says the modes are "GSM: 850/900/1800/1900Mhz 3G: HSDPA 900/2100Mhz" I have no idea wether these are supported by Rogers.
Unfortunately I am not able to post a link to the phone but if you need any more information on it feel free to message me for the link or just go on selectgsm and look at the Motorola Droid Milestone. (NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH THE MOTOROLA MILESTONE NAM)
This phone will not work on Rogers' 3G network, but it will work on 2G (EDGE).
I believe the Telus version of the Milestone, if you manage to unlock it, will work on Rogers' 3G.
yes, you must use the telus version to and unlock it for 3g, and i highly advise getting the telus version
gsvnet said:
This phone will not work on Rogers' 3G network, but it will work on 2G (EDGE).
I believe the Telus version of the Milestone, if you manage to unlock it, will work on Rogers' 3G.
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The phone is already unlocked, and what do you mean by the Telus version, i'm buying it from an independent supplier.
And what is the difference between 3g network and gsm becaus ei believe this phone would work on the Rogers GSM network.
3G is faster, GSM is 2G or Edge. Yes it will work, but not on 3G network
PurpleLlamaLover said:
3G is faster, GSM is 2G or Edge. Yes it will work, but not on 3G network
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ok thanks alot. I guess i'll get a different phone. I will either get the X10 or the Nexus One. I can get the X10 for 500 dollars straight. Which one do you guys suggest or think is better.
Nexus One of course
Hey guys,
Looking at pre-ordering the unlocked version of the DVP from Clove but I'm not sure whether it is going to work in Canada =/.
I've looked at all the Canadian cell phone providers (Telus, Fido, Bell, Rogers) and it doesn't seem like they are compatible with the 3G band on the Dell Venue Pro (900/2100).
Canadian providers seem to require 850/1900 or 1700.
So uh...is it worth buying the phone? Anyone think it will work?
Does the phone need to be 3G compatible to work? (Telus seems to say that your phone NEEDS to be 3G+ compatible).
Thanks,
-Sean
Se4nH4x said:
Hey guys,
Looking at pre-ordering the unlocked version of the DVP from Clove but I'm not sure whether it is going to work in Canada =/.
I've looked at all the Canadian cell phone providers (Telus, Fido, Bell, Rogers) and it doesn't seem like they are compatible with the 3G band on the Dell Venue Pro (900/2100).
Canadian providers seem to require 850/1900 or 1700.
So uh...is it worth buying the phone? Anyone think it will work?
Does the phone need to be 3G compatible to work? (Telus seems to say that your phone NEEDS to be 3G+ compatible).
Thanks,
-Sean
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NOP.. it wont work.. it works but no 3g u would pick EDGE.. UK are 900/2100
ajftl said:
NOP.. it wont work.. it works but no 3g u would pick EDGE.. UK are 900/2100
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is 3G necessary for smartphones?
I've never had a smartphone before. right now I'm just using an old flip phone.
Would the phone need to have 3G in order for me to bring it to a carrier and add a sim card + plan?
Se4nH4x said:
is 3G necessary for smartphones?
I've never had a smartphone before. right now I'm just using an old flip phone.
Would the phone need to have 3G in order for me to bring it to a carrier and add a sim card + plan?
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Yea, 3G would be pretty much a necessity, as the next best available connection you would get is edge, which is much slower.
For $989 this site claims to have a Telstra NextG compatible version up for grabs:
http://www.mobicity.com.au/dell-venue-pro.html
I have been using a Telstra HD2 on Telus which gives me 3G+ for a while so I would assume this one would also work. But then again I could be wrong as the bands don't look right..
So it does work if i only use for 2G cell phone service with Fido (no internet), right?
I can use WIFI only.
pistol44 said:
For $989 this site claims to have a Telstra NextG compatible version up for grabs:
http://www.mobicity.com.au/dell-venue-pro.html
I have been using a Telstra HD2 on Telus which gives me 3G+ for a while so I would assume this one would also work. But then again I could be wrong as the bands don't look right..
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That phone has 900/1900/2100 3G bands which is not supported in Canada.
You need 850 or 1700 for it to work in Canada >.>
Se4nH4x said:
That phone has 900/1900/2100 3G bands which is not supported in Canada.
You need 850 or 1700 for it to work in Canada >.>
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no your wroung,
you need 850/1900 UMTS/HSPA if you want to use rogers, fido, bell, telus, virgin, koodo, on 3g
you need 850/1900 GSM if you want to use rogers/fido with no 3g
if you want to use wind mobile you need 1700/2100 UMTS/HSPA (same as t-mobile)
jul644 said:
no your wroung,
you need 850/1900 UMTS/HSPA if you want to use rogers, fido, bell, telus, virgin, koodo, on 3g
you need 850/1900 GSM if you want to use rogers/fido with no 3g
if you want to use wind mobile you need 1700/2100 UMTS/HSPA (same as t-mobile)
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well my point was that it has no supported 3G bands.
I want to take full advantage of 3G.
Finally!
Got official info!
http://www.dell.com/us/p/mobile-venue-pro/pd
Bands
UMTS 900/1700/2100
GSM/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900
HSDPA 7.2Mbps/HSUPA 5.76 Mbps
There's that 1700/2100 that I need!
Yay!
I am going to Canada next week and I am planning to buy Atrix 4G.
I heard that at bell and Canadian bestbuy are selling at 599 ,but I will also take a trip down to NewYork and I check that the ATT store are selling at 499.
So what is the different between these two? Or what should I get ATT or bell. And Can I just go buy it without any contract or sth.
Last thing ,how much is Canadian tax and can I have a refund at the Airport?
Thank. Srry for bad English. I am Thai.
Ontario tax is 13%. The phone comes out to 677.99 after tax. If you can go to New York/Buffalo then do it.
Advantageif the Bell atrix is that sideloding enabled by default and tethering and hotspot is enabled too.
Im pretty sure you should be able to get the taxes back.
Sent from my MB860 using XDA App
tecnic08 said:
I am going to Canada next week and I am planning to buy Atrix 4G.
I heard that at bell and Canadian bestbuy are selling at 599 ,but I will also take a trip down to NewYork and I check that the ATT store are selling at 499.
So what is the different between these two? Or what should I get ATT or bell. And Can I just go buy it without any contract or sth.
Last thing ,how much is Canadian tax and can I have a refund at the Airport?
Thank. Srry for bad English. I am Thai.
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Where ever you can get it cheapest, as mac stated it does have side loading and hotspot enabled but that only takes about a minute to enable on the AT&T version.
i thought $499 is only for existing at&t customers and $599 for everyone else.
The Bell Atrix allows sideloading android apps without root the AT&T one doesn't.
That the only difference I can think of.
How about the ROM ?
I browsing through the forum and I find that the GingerBlur doesn't support Bell Atrix
HERE -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=991595
and is it true that some Atrix has a random restart problem. If so I prefer the Bell cause I will stay in Canada for a month. So that I will have time identifying that problem and replacing the machine.
tecnic08 said:
How about the ROM ?
I browsing through the forum and I find that the GingerBlur doesn't support Bell Atrix
HERE -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=991595
and is it true that some Atrix has a random restart problem. If so I prefer the Bell cause I will stay in Canada for a month. So that I will have time identifying that problem and replacing the machine.
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True. There are some differences in the stock ROMs. Even the MOD for WebTop over HDMI was updated for the Bell Atrix. I guess the Gingerblur would be updated as well (atleast, I hope).
how Unlock Bell Atrix 4G for all GSM Networks??? any one help me
Does Bell Atrix support HSPA+ or not?
Thanks in advance.
softlikerose said:
how Unlock Bell Atrix 4G for all GSM Networks??? any one help me
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number of places do, check the development forum (really they should be moved to general)
I used mobileincanada.com took about 4 hours
youbaoer said:
Does Bell Atrix support HSPA+ or not?
Thanks in advance.
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Yes it does
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Yes it does
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Well, technically it currently only supports HSDPA and not HSUPA.
True, well not sure if supports the right word cause it supports the capability, but somehow it has been hampered by the powers that be.
3G Networks
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3708&idPhone2=3709
Bell version: 3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
3G: HSDPA, 14.4 Mbps; HSUPA, 2.0 Mbps
ATT version: 3G Network HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100
3G: HSDPA, 14.4 Mbps; HSUPA, 5.76 Mbps
Can anyone elaborate on this factor?
[email protected] said:
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3708&idPhone2=3709
Bell version: 3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
ATT version: 3G Network HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100
Can anyone elaborate on this factor?
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I have the Bell version on Bell. It supports HSDPA and HSUPA, but unless you flash a different modem, you will not get HSUPA. It was disabled like the ATT version was, the only difference is that ATT has enabled it with an update, Bell has not.
tecnic08 said:
How about the ROM ?
I browsing through the forum and I find that the GingerBlur doesn't support Bell Atrix
HERE -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=991595
and is it true that some Atrix has a random restart problem. If so I prefer the Bell cause I will stay in Canada for a month. So that I will have time identifying that problem and replacing the machine.
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My Bell Atrix runs Gingerblur 3.5 perfectly
The AT&T version actually gets updates.
Not knocking Bell users at all, but that's the truth. I think there's a way around that, however.
So...it's probably safe to say that everyone in this forum knows about the 7 year roaming deal that AT&T has signed with T-Mobile. Does anyone have any ideas on when that will happen? And the big question...will the iPhone technically be able to be used on 3G with T-Mobile? Yes, it would only work while roaming, but would it not work for some reason? A T-Mobile rep brought up the question and I thought it was a good question. I'd like it to bring in revenues for T-Mobile...but I love my fast speed I get with T-Mobile, and 10 gazillion iPhones would do nothing but harm for that.
**Updated** Please, if anyone can check their Android phone (via *#0011#) and post if it says band II along with the city you're in at the time that it shows it! We need to find out which cities have been refarmed to 1900MHz for 3G/4G.
So, go forth and discuss
List of pentaband UMTS devices:
T-Mobile Galaxy S II (T989)
Nokia N8 and N9
T-Mobile Vibrant (T959)
Galaxy Nexus (HSPA version)
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It'd be 2G roaming. The carriers' 3G networks are incompatible. While AT&T devices will work on T-Mobile's EDGE data, it shouldn't be common enough to impact our speeds much. The only way this could possibly happen is if both AT&T and T-Mobile started selling exclusively pentaband HSPA devices. Which would be awesome on so many levels.
synaesthetic said:
It'd be 2G roaming. The carriers' 3G networks are incompatible. While AT&T devices will work on T-Mobile's EDGE data, it shouldn't be common enough to impact our speeds much. The only way this could possibly happen is if both AT&T and T-Mobile started selling exclusively pentaband HSPA devices. Which would be awesome on so many levels.
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It's 3G, check Engadget. I'm sure it's 2G as well. And I know of at least one phone that is pentaband UMTS...mine, the Galaxy S II lol
Trevnerdio said:
It's 3G, check Engadget. I'm sure it's 2G as well. And I know of at least one phone that is pentaband UMTS...mine, the Galaxy S II lol
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The OP specifically asked about the iPhone, which is unable to get 3G on T-Mobile's network. So if an AT&T iPhone were to roam on T-Mobile's network, it would not get 3G speeds.
Edit: The Galaxy Nexus is also pentaband, and so are the Nokia N8 and N9. The original Vibrant is also pentaband.
The Skyrocket is also pentaband, so I'll be able to mooch off of 42.2mbps HSPA+ when I get an LTE throttle. LOL
Longcat14 said:
The Skyrocket is also pentaband, so I'll be able to mooch off of 42.2mbps HSPA+ when I get an LTE throttle. LOL
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Yes, but is it DC-HSPA+? If not, no 42.2Mbps for you!
synaesthetic said:
Yes, but is it DC-HSPA+? If not, no 42.2Mbps for you!
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Skyrocket has a more advanced modem.
Well, it's really just the T-Mobile radio with LTE slapped into it, so yes, I do have 42.2Mbps.
has anyone tried the AT&T skyrocket on T-Mobile? Does it support HSPA+ AWS? AFAIK, only LTE works on AWS for this phone.
Thanks everyone for the phones. I've been busy and couldn't really update the thread. The current gen iPhone doesn't have AWS, yes, but since the roaming agreement is UMTS, wouldn't that allow T-Mobile devices that have the ability to roam on 850/1900 bands the ability to connect to their 3G network? So jailbroken iPhones that are activated on T-Mobile could roam over to AT&T 3G, it's just that it isn't likely that AT&T would allow it.
Am I right in my assumption?
I don't think AT&T would allow it, honestly.
Edit: According to GSMArena, the Skyrocket doesn't support 1700/2100 HSPA+. Only 1700/2100 LTE.
synaesthetic said:
I don't think AT&T would allow it, honestly.
Edit: According to GSMArena, the Skyrocket doesn't support 1700/2100 HSPA+. Only 1700/2100 LTE.
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Thanks for the heads up. And when the others in the thread said the Galaxy Nexus, they were referring to the European version, correct?
Edit: it's 700/1700 for LTE and then the normal AT&T bands for WCDMA
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I don't think AT&T would allow it, honestly.
Edit: According to GSMArena, the Skyrocket doesn't support 1700/2100 HSPA+. Only 1700/2100 LTE.
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Over at the T-Mobile SGS II forums, when I flashed a T-Mo SGS II modem, I gained access to 1700/2100.
All I need is a T-Mo SIM card to test if it'll connect to 3G, which I don't have.
I have the GSM Galaxy Nexus so naturally I am quite excited for this.
But the question remains... Does anyone have the slightest idea when this service will go live???
Lucasmpinelli said:
I have the GSM Galaxy Nexus so naturally I am quite excited for this.
But the question remains... Does anyone have the slightest idea when this service will go live???
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It's not as simple as touching AT&T, and roaming.
You have to be in an area where there is COMPLETELY no T-Mobile signal, it can't even pick it up when you scan for it. Then, and ONLY then, will the SIM allow you to verify it on AT&T's network for roaming.
With AT&T's larger coverage footprint, you T-Mo users should have some nice coverage while traveling.
Longcat14 said:
Over at the T-Mobile SGS II forums, when I flashed a T-Mo SGS II modem, I gained access to 1700/2100.
All I need is a T-Mo SIM card to test if it'll connect to 3G, which I don't have.
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You can do that?
I2IEAILiiTY said:
You can do that?
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Skyrocket has the same modem as the T-Mo SGS II, except with LTE attached.
It's a different modem number, but other then LTE, it's all the same.
So yes, I can.
Longcat14 said:
It's not as simple as touching AT&T, and roaming.
You have to be in an area where there is COMPLETELY no T-Mobile signal, it can't even pick it up when you scan for it. Then, and ONLY then, will the SIM allow you to verify it on AT&T's network for roaming.
With AT&T's larger coverage footprint, you T-Mo users should have some nice coverage while traveling.
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Where do you get your information? I thought that's how it has always worked prior to this new roaming agreement. I spoke to a T-mobile store rep (not the best source of information) and he told me that iPhones on west coast had 3G access.
Longcat14 said:
Skyrocket has the same modem as the T-Mo SGS II, except with LTE attached.
It's a different modem number, but other then LTE, it's all the same.
So yes, I can.
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Oh, so that's only on the skyrocket...
cephasara said:
Where do you get your information? I thought that's how it has always worked prior to this new roaming agreement. I spoke to a T-mobile store rep (not the best source of information) and he told me that iPhones on west coast had 3G access.
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I've heard that T-Mo is doing some spectrum refarming on the PCS band...in other words, 3G is starting to pop up in certain markets on the 1900MHz band