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Hm now now, if it is coming from the president of the company it does not rub off too good on all of us who paid for the device!
http://www.wmexperts.com/where-sony-ericsson-went-wrong-and-how-xperia-x1-was-experiment
i dont think i am the only one, but somehow, i still love my xperia, to date, i still have not seen a mobile i would replace my x1 with
well it may be an experiment, but it turns out it's a very good one, so far I like the xperia more than any other phone, I went thru a lot of WM phones, and I think it is the best out there, it may not have all the features that some have (accelerometer, tv-out) it may not be the easiest to type, but overall is good, fast and very good looking.
Looking forward for the next-gen xperia.
its a quote taking out of proporstion. he probally said the x1 was a test of the wm market and the high end (very expensive phones). to see if it would sell to a level that they make a decent profit.
from what i have seen they have sold tons of x1's (for the type of phone it is) and have been happy with the product (crack problem aside).
so i think they will be strongly supporting the wm format and a x2 will be coming out and probally be alot better make and support at the start with some great software from SE (as they now have experiance with wm software, as shown in the beta r3 release).
I love my Xperia as well and i wouldn't change it for any other phone as no other phone has so many functions and looks good at the same time! (and no, HTC phones do not look half as good!)...
but for a company's CEO to come out and say that the device was an experiment for them is completely wrong. If companies want to experiment they can do it with prototypes, not get customers involved in the process.
If you look at the former "SE-business-phones" like the UIQ3-ones P1i and W960i and the others, these are like ones from the stone-age compared to the X1.
I owned a P1i and a W960i right before the X1 and it has been such a quantum jump. I think it is o.k. to tell the X1 an experiment for SE.
Of course is was an "EXPERIMENT" it was their first Windows Mobile Phone.
Doesnt De-Value it at all - as long as they keep supporting it
Xperimental much?
It's quite a success other than the casing and sometimes the signal problems.
Otherwise it's a killer in a small package.
yeah, X1 isn't a bad phone at all
Although I wish they give faster updates for the X1 & add more "SE/X1-features".
Something like an exclusivity
made me think of any of these 2 cartoon strips
http://online.sfsu.edu/~swansonb/larson_peer pressure.gif
http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/Dr-Fun/df9706/df970626.jpg
PS: I LOVE my X1!!! It is definitely the best piece of technology that I've held in my hands so far. Just fell in LOVE with it at the first touch
And I'm so happy I took part in an experiment like this one. It turned out to be successful (being in here with so many talented developers and custom roms, yet having the excellent service of SonyEricsson). Thank you SE for this Xperi-ment.
Their next experiment will be the X2 on Android OS.
Motorola is also doing experiments on all platforms: S60 UIQ, WinMob, their own linux platform, Android (coming soon).
I see nothing wrong experimenting with platforms. Not, as long as they provide support for all models and platforms, and continue updating software on all platforms.
Love my X1 too ...you guys are right -easily the best bit of kit I own
As long as support and updates continue, all's well
Looking forward to the X2!
i love my X1 too and it is the best phone i ever had.. waiting for X2..
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If you look at the former "SE-business-phones" like the UIQ3-ones P1i and W960i and the others, these are like ones from the stone-age compared to the X1.
I owned a P1i and a W960i right before the X1 and it has been such a quantum jump. I think it is o.k. to tell the X1 an experiment for SE.
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I agree with u that the x1 was a big jump in the right direction.
ps. the w960i (which i owned before the x1 is a walkman phone, thats why it had the 8gb built in. it had a bit of software for business support but was the top of the range music phone.
sonys other business phones were the p1i and the p800 and p900 (i think they were the model numbers) based on the symbian software (uiq).
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I agree with u that the x1 was a big jump in the right direction.
ps. the w960i (which i owned before the x1 is a walkman phone, thats why it had the 8gb built in. it had a bit of software for business support but was the top of the range music phone.
sonys other business phones were the p1i and the p800 and p900 (i think they were the model numbers) based on the symbian software (uiq).
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Sony Ericsson Business models:
P800 (I had it)
P900
P910 (I had it)
P990 (I had it)
P1 (I had it)
G700
G900
They were all on Symbian UIQ which died last year.
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Sony Ericsson Business models:
P800 (I had it)
P900
P910 (I had it)
P990 (I had it)
P1 (I had it)
G700
G900
They were all on Symbian UIQ which died last year.
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did nt like the design of the p range
It's just that it priced itself out of the game without bringing anything really groundbreaking
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i agree with that. but it doesnt make me love my X1 any less.
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ps. the w960i (which i owned before the x1 is a walkman phone, thats why it had the 8gb built in. it had a bit of software for business support but was the top of the range music phone.
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Yes I also still own it and when I used it, then most of the time for mm-purposes. But the FW on W960 is quasi the same one like on the P1; the only difference is the Walkman Player and the different layout of the hardware-keyboard.
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Yes I also still own it and when I used it, then most of the time for mm-purposes. But the FW on W960 is quasi the same one like on the P1; the only difference is the Walkman Player and the different layout of the hardware-keyboard.
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i loved the w960i but u were stuck with what u had (limited options to change the phone as it was on symbian uiq)
but the x1 is by far the best phone i have owned and i think its still the best phone u can buy now and as far as i have seen in the near future too (tp2 the closest but still not as good as the x1 in design and near the same in spec).
PLEASE NOTE: THIS THREAD IS CREATED BECAUSE I SINCERLY LIKE SE AND NOT FOR BASHING SE. IF YOU WANT TO TROLL OR BASH SE CREATE A NEW THREAD
Dear Sony,
I am one of your avid Fan. Right from the beginning I was using SE phones only. To Mention a few I have used F500i, J230, K750, W810i, K810i, W980, W705 and now X10. So as you can see I was using SE right from 2004. I can say “If you have Once used Sony Erricson, you will always use SonyEricsson”.
Let me be very clear. I love you so much. I have defended SE in many forums from many trolls and iSheep bashers for many years. I did this because I love SE and I believe you will always gives me what is best out there.
But off late you are not living up to your fans belief. What the is wrong with you?
The last master piece from you was W810i. After that all your products disappoint me. K810i, W910i and W980i all of them were total disappointment for me. Off late all your products follow a certain approach, you will announce a very good product and then there will tremendous delays in bringing it to the market, after that i will have many software bugs and hardware failures. So before the product becomes complete it will become outdated..
If you refuse to believe I will give you proof.
Do you know W810i was announced in Feb ’06 and availability was Mar ’06.
K810i was announced in Feb’07 and availability was Apr 07.
W980 was announced in Feb’ 08 and availability was Aug 08.
W705 was announced in Oct’ 08 and availability was May 09.
Satio was announced in Feb’09 and availability was Nov ’09.
And Xperia X1, X2 and X10 every kid knows its delays and bugs.
What happened to you SE? There were long delays. Even after delays none of these phones lived up to its hype ( W980,W705, Satio and X10). You were the first to announce many technologies (8MP, 12MP camera, snapdragon with android phone, even 4" screen) but you were the last to bring it to the market with sky high prices. Where is my Old SE? where I can get all latest tech in a budget phone? Where are you SE?
And Like a Crown for all your failure, the X10 2.1 update. When other are pushing to bring 2.2 for their flag ship device, you cant even bring 2.1 to your Flag ship phone. Instead of bringing 2.2, you are back porting live wallpaper and 5 home screens to 1.6.
WHY THE HELL YOU ARE RE-INVENTING THE WHEEL?
Stop wasting your precious resources in back porting things. Move more resource to bring 2.2 to X10. If you cant alteast please open the bootloader.
X10 had everything to make you success but you missed it.. Good Design, Good Hardware (at Nov '09 nobody had this hardware) and Good Name (You have loyal fan base) and Perfect time (Think if it had been released during Christmas time).
X10 could have been your own iPhone or Droid. It could have been your golden egg but you missed it. What going on in your mind SE? If I can think all these, cant the armani wearing million dollar salaried EO's think? Have you lost it?
We have defended you so long SE but you are now disappointing us more. You even embarrass us by saying you turned down google (X10 as Nexus one would have been epic). Please don’t cheat us more SE. We love you but there is a limit for our patience. If you keep cheating us then Even God (I believe he is there) cant save you.
All I can say is please bring out Froyo update for X10 soon and with no bugs (We dont want 1000 new features we just want Bug less phone). After all you are a more talented company and you certainly deserve a second chance like Moto.
Please SE don’t disappoint us again and save yourself from bankruptcy. Please Make us Believe
---- A sincere, beaten, disappointed and embarrassed Sony Ericsson Fan .
A couple points:
- If you ever want to be taken seriously in any capacity, refrain from foul language.
- Also, refrain from referring to things as "iCrap". Shows a lack of class.
- Live Wallpapers and 5 home screens are default 2.1 features, not being backported from 2.2
- Pricing depends on region. In Japan, the United States, and several other countries, the X10 is the cheapest or one of the cheapest smartphones available. It's free in many markets.
- The X10 is Docomo's highest selling smartphone of all time, and is poised to become their best selling phone of the year/ever. Japan is the world's second biggest market.
Good day sir!
Another point god or gods do not exist, therefore offer no threat.
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A couple points:
- If you ever want to be taken seriously in any capacity, refrain from foul language. - Removed
- Also, refrain from referring to things as "iCrap". Shows a lack of class. -- Removed
- Live Wallpapers and 5 home screens are default 2.1 features, not being backported from 2.2 - What I ment was they are back porting 2.1 features to 1.6 - Ambient time app
- Pricing depends on region. In Japan, the United States, and several other countries, the X10 is the cheapest or one of the cheapest smartphones available. It's free in many markets. But Total cost of ownership for a not so high end is high compared to other high end phones. This will be the thought of a average guy
- The X10 is Docomo's highest selling smartphone of all time, and is poised to become their best selling phone of the year/ever. Japan is the world's second biggest market. I agree. If they could had made things perfect like releasing with 2.1 and in december, they could have sold Millions in other countries too
Good day sir!
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Another point god or gods do not exist, therefore offer no threat.
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I believe he is there But no Offense (Original post edited to reflect my view)
IF some one could send this to SE CEO, I would be glad. Or If you can pm me his mail-id, I will send it myself.
Thanks
No offense but what do you think you reach by sending this kind of letter to a CEO? No matter which company he is leading, this really is a "straight in the dustbin" letter for those managers...
Again no offense, you wrote down what you think, but I want to bet he don't read till the half of it, to try that out, you might put in the last sentence something about him having an affair with a dead horse, if you dont get anything back, I proved my point....
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Gotta agree with PollPixx.
imo they don't go past the subject of e-mails... snail mail is a thing of past.
moreover they don't go over this stuff personally but their PA's etc do... separate the junk out and send in the "really important" stuff... but only god knows what that is (apart from them )
Looking away from the language, it is a fine letter to SE.
I have also only had SE phones private, starting with the old
Ericsson 318, Erisson t68
t280, t610, k530, k750, k810, k850
c905
w595, w715, w760
x10, x10 mini, x10 mini pro
My 3 kids have all had SE W595 and now they all have X10 mini.
Also i have only used SE for work in many years, currently i have a x10 mini pro...
At work it have been me that have decided what phones we have bought and used for the last 3-4 years, so i have been the main reason that we have only bought SE phones...
- that is over 250 SE phones all together, at work...
(I know that it is NOTHING in the big picture looking from SE headquarters, still it must count for something)
In this answer i just want to ad my own dissapointment thoug...
The main problems is that the big X10 is missing the FM-radio, missing the better headset connection and missing the one finger zoom, while the two cheap small X10 mini models have those things.
What is that about SE ?
Why have you decided to make 3 different X10 series phones, and then at the same time make the TOP model, the one with the weakest features ?
I am really dissapointed with you SE, the lack of updates, the missing features in the X10 top model.
From (i think it was) the old T610, or was it K750, and all the way up to now, my SE phones have allways had FM radio build in, and that was for me a loved feature, then you decide to release the X10 without FM Radio, and after that you again decide to put in FM radio in the mini´s ??
I know i didn´t read close enough in the specs when i bought my X10, but i really was expecting that there would be FM radio in an SE phone, and offcource there would be in the top model, no question about that. What a dissapointment !
An other lack is that tracker (step counter) that was build in i think all the newer phones eg. W595 and W715, now with X10 i again see a loved feature removed, why ?
I find it strange that good working features that SE implement in your phones, is removed again from newer phones.
Features that actually IS the SE brand, features that we learn to love and use every day, you decide to remove.
Why ?
I don´t get the point in making that huge effort to make a few nice new features like timescape and mediascape, and becource of those features you have been left behind, and are currently stock on Android 1,6, and right now we all are waiting for S/E-Android 2.1,, ONLY Android 2,1 when other companies like HTC are moving away from Android 2.1 and on to Android 2.2...
S/E why not release Android 2.2 fast and be the leader in the marked.
Then let people decide for them self IF they want the S/E signature-features like TimeScape and MediaScape when you have those ready later.
Just make new features avalible from your fine PlayNOW system just like you did with CreaTouch.
Why have you at the same time decided to lock down the bootloader of the X10 when Android is a brand new OS you are just learning ??
- release the bootloader now, and look what happen, learn from it and then when you are actually doing a better job coding the OS than other DEV´s on the www, you can decide if you again will lock down bootloaders in your future android phones.
At the moment it make no sense at all, not to let your dev-team learn all they can about what can be done with the hardware you have made.
The hardware is actually really great, and solid build, it is "only" the software that is the problem...
Now i move on to the strange thing about wide range of current phone models you have on the marked.
Why that many, is that really nessesserry at all, really ??
Why not make an effort to be the absolutly best there is on a mutch smaller range of phones, only focus on a few models, perhaps only android phones, as you have said that you want to be world leaders in Android powered phones in a few years anyway.
As i see it you only need one X10 model more to have a complete set of phones, so there will be at least one that souit everyone.
Add one more X10 mini and make it with an old style slide out t9 keyboard.
At last.
I have also been thinking about jumping over to an other brand, and perhaps also look for other phones next time we need some at work, as i am that dissapointed with SE...
But private i find my self thinking that i perhaps just should wait and get the X12 when that is released...
Can i really be that stupid, REALLY ???
- dispite my dissapointment with SE, really ???
SE you are SO lucky that you have a big and loving fan base...
At work i KNOW that SE have the best hardware and the lack of features i mentioned here is no problem in work use...
Again SE you are REALLY lucky that you have a big loving fan base...
Just DON`T dissapoint us anymore !
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I believe he is there But no Offense (Original post edited to reflect my view)
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He? Why would a god need to have a specific gender? They would have no use for it.
Anyway i dont think religious dribble should be in an email like that to a company. Makes you look like a bit of a fruit cake.
pshdo said:
An other lack is that tracker (step counter) that was build in i think all the newer phones eg. W595 and W715, now with X10 i again see a loved feature removed, why ?
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I won't bother replying to the rest...but, my X10 has one.
It's called the Android Market, you can download anything, including pedometers.
At least they all look familiar and have similar sounding names - X5, X8, X10, X10 mini, X10 mini pro. SE are trying to satisfy each segment of the market, just like their competitors HTC, Samsung, Motorola and Nokia do.
@iead1
Is there something you're not telling us? Like who you work for.
Please dont embarass yourself. Your grammar is atrocious.
How about buying an AD on newspaper, and then I'm sure the SE CEO will see this.
sony in general is a big comany, my family has been buying sony things for at least 20 years (got an old and really old stereo which still works o.0)
they always had the best things in the marker, we even say if it's a sony is good
in the past I never used SE, just used nokia or motorola but when i saw the x1 i just felt in love, but when I knew that no wm 6.5 would arrive to it i was so pissed we paid a lot for it to get nothing more, same applies for the x10
i know companies want to get more profits but where's the customer's satisfaction? they use to think that is better to have loyal customers for a long term instead of just having a lot for few months (kinda the thing is going on today)
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@iead1
Is there something you're not telling us? Like who you work for.
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I work for a local board of education, in the mountains of rural Kansai Japan.
Want me to take a picture of my desk with my X10?
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I work for a local board of education, in the mountains of rural Kansai Japan.
Want me to take a picture of my desk with my X10?
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does that mean SE JP HQ??? xD jk
alankstiyo said:
does that mean SE JP HQ??? xD jk
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I wish! I'd be making more money than I do now!
iead1 said:
I won't bother replying to the rest...but, my X10 has one.
It's called the Android Market, you can download anything, including pedometers.
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Yes, but those on marked is far from working as good as the one in eg. w715...
- and if you was actually using it, you would know that ;-)
Anything ?
- then throw me a link to an fm radio application for the x10, or to one finger zoom perhaps, or to any of the other things that the x10 don't have, that the mini's and all the old SE phones have... *LOL*
Send from my X10, still without 2.1 *&%#
I think that the live wall paper and home screens reference has to do with the SE Japan release of Ambientime which has 5 home screens, pseudocode live wallpapers and a new lock/unlock swipe which is more animated.
That app looks like work that was done as an assessment of the phone's potential to do live wallpapers. It's sort of interesting even if it makes the phone laggy and lockup.
iead1 said:
A couple points:
- If you ever want to be taken seriously in any capacity, refrain from foul language.
- Also, refrain from referring to things as "iCrap". Shows a lack of class.
- Live Wallpapers and 5 home screens are default 2.1 features, not being backported from 2.2
- Pricing depends on region. In Japan, the United States, and several other countries, the X10 is the cheapest or one of the cheapest smartphones available. It's free in many markets.
- The X10 is Docomo's highest selling smartphone of all time, and is poised to become their best selling phone of the year/ever. Japan is the world's second biggest market.
Good day sir!
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don't know if it'll install but here you go
Ok so,
The X10 has a 16M colour screen
The X10 has a Multi-Touch capable screen
The X10 has Wireless N capability (not yet confirmed!)
The X10 has a powerful CPU
And yet Sony Ericsson dose not make use of these features.
Did they just add the more expensive hardware to push the price of the phone up?
Sure seems that way.
What they are doing is like buying more RAM for your PC and not actually using it. Just putting it on the desk to sit there and collect dust.
I just don't get it at all. Makes not sense what so ever.
If Jeff is still here maybe you would like to comment on this?
I think their software developers just suck. They make amazing hardware but fail at software on everything. I have owned 2 SE phones in the past and both had buggy interface. Same for earlier versions of the PSP. Sony is a hardware company.
I have owned 4 SE's and it always seems to be the same problem. You think I would have learned my lesson.
SE like to use the latest hardware in their advertising to trick customers into thinking that SE phones actually use the latest hardware. This is how SE push up the price of their devices. Then they promise customers that their device will be able to run the latest features once their product gets a software update, in the not too distant future of course. This usually takes around a year. Then while you're waiting for their update service, they try to compare their product with features their devices will have in the future, to what other products are actually currently using. And, SE never take into account that by the time their product is updated, that it will be updated to OUTDATED software. Then you have to sit back and watch whilst nearly every other flagship device from their competitors are enjoying feature you will never have on your SE device. Some times these other devices are even running the latest features on less hardware. And finally after all this, SE announce their next product release and repeat the whole process all over agian.
Nearly a years wait and still waiting just so we can import face book contacts! What a joke. (very slight exaggeration, but you get the point)
I tried to tell people this would happen back in April. I hate to say I told you so, but...
To say I will never buy another Sony or SE product as long as I live would be an understatement.
mackdaddy187 said:
I think their software developers just suck. They make amazing hardware but fail at software on everything. I have owned 2 SE phones in the past and both had buggy interface. Same for earlier versions of the PSP. Sony is a hardware company.
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I could have said it better myself.
SE is all about the hardware.
The development team seems mediocre and that's too bad.
Well, let's hope the bootloader gets cracked...
Maybe SE will see the light an actually get their **** together!.
I will be contacting the CEO of SE about this as well.. I don't expect id get a reply or even a decent one if i do but meh
this thread contributes nothing
I can whine and complain all day about, how not getting froyo or gingerbread sucks.
But I'm really digging this dualtouch thinggy.
The implementation is not bad as people said it would be, it worked on every app i tried.
And when I think, that Sony Ericsson didn't have to do it, they just did, to make their customers feel a bit better about their device. They lose money, not gain, from releasing software updates, and unlike Nokia, Samsung, RIM, and Apple, u must realise that right now, Sony Ericsson doesn't really have money. Read Financials. So, X10 users should appreciate this, and, heck, they changed their minds about the MT thing, they might just do the same for Froyo or Gingerbread (Call it a hunch).
I just don't agree with your opinion about SE, but it's your point of view.
And is not multitouch, is dualtouch, wich is still good and if you say it works with most apps around, then worth it.
lol, SE doesn't have money??? Do you think that they would be making another two fail phones ( PSP Phone and Xperia Arc ) if they didn't have the money?
The costumers should NOT have to read financial repports on the companies before they decide what device they should buy...!!
IF I was S/E i would actually fight with every thing i got, to give the customers a feeling that I didn´t just want to screw them...
S/E is failing big on this, any X10 buyer with just a little tech sence absolutly have to feel that they have been ****ed by S/E...
Compare S/E with eg. HTC that deliver updates far beond what can be expected to the handsets...
S/E will not even support the X10 line for one year...
Quick question: After the statement that X10 won't get anything beyond Eclair, how many X10 unities would SE sell?
Just a question to those guys who are into financial estimates and stuff like that.
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Quick question: After the statement that X10 won't get anything beyond Eclair, how many X10 unities would SE sell?
Just a question to those guys who are into financial estimates and stuff like that.
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LOL you seem to ask a lot of questions my friend
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LOL you seem to ask a lot of questions my friend
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Better than attacking and flamin', don't ya think?
pshdo said:
The costumers should NOT have to read financial repports on the companies before they decide what device they should buy...!!
IF I was S/E i would actually fight with every thing i got, to give the customers a feeling that I didn´t just want to screw them...
S/E is failing big on this, any X10 buyer with just a little tech sence absolutly have to feel that they have been ****ed by S/E...
Compare S/E with eg. HTC that deliver updates far beond what can be expected to the handsets...
S/E will not even support the X10 line for one year...
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Im sorry, but how many HTC phones have got more than 1 major android update ?
And then how many android phones does HTC have on the marked contra SE.....
Im not rating im joyfull, but hey, you bought an android phone with an old android version to begin with. And SE have actually done what they promissed, plus alot more....
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Better than attacking and flamin', don't ya think?
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Yet ANOTHER question
Sony Ericsson ( or any company that's involved in Android ) will not care about their previous Handsets in terms of MAJOR updates, they will look forward and learn from the past, of course they will support the X10 if bugs were discovered later, but they have done what they have promised...
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Yet ANOTHER question
Sony Ericsson ( or any company that's involved in Android ) will not care about their previous Handsets in terms of MAJOR updates, they will look forward and learn from the past, of course they will support the X10 if bugs were discovered later, but they have done what they have promised...
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Yet another question :
What about Satio, Aino and Vivaz? are those phones already forgotten?
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Yet another question :
What about Satio, Aino and Vivaz? are those phones already forgotten?
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Those three phone were a mistake in my opinion, not because of their specs nor the hardware, but just because of the software ( symbian OS, UIQ )
They had a couple of more updates for them, but they cannot do more with symbian OS. But as far as I know they have fix major and minor bugs in those three ( I owned two of them ) still using Aino as a second phone
As a vivaz pro owner, I will tell you now, that if I was SE, I wouldn't bother my self with symbian anymore either.
UIQ in my opinion was the best implementation of symbian, then nokia tricked MOAP, and UIQ, into selling their shares, in the guise of hey, let's unify symbian. Then what happened, symbian was overly nokiarised.
When google improves android, they share, when Nokia updates S60v5, they go, well ur on ur own dudes. You know this.
Why do u think samsung got pissed last year and dropped all support for symbian.
Too bad, I really wanted to get a Satio about 2 years ago and an Aino 1 year ago
Seriously, don't get me wrong. I love my Xperia X10, but I now this phone CAN do more than SE rules. I think it isn't about getting Froyo (that won't happen, so ppl stop that, or unlocking the bootloader), but at least we should get an update to make this phone even better.
They say .24 update is good, I don't have it yet so I need to proof it. And this kind of updates like dualtouch are helping, but I think isn't enough yet. That's all.
dante2086 said:
As a vivaz pro owner, I will tell you now, that if I was SE, I wouldn't bother my self with symbian anymore either.
UIQ in my opinion was the best implementation of symbian, then nokia tricked MOAP, and UIQ, into selling their shares, in the guise of hey, let's unify symbian. Then what happened, symbian was overly nokiarised.
When google improves android, they share, when Nokia updates S60v5, they go, well ur on ur own dudes. You know this.
Why do u think samsung got pissed last year and dropped all support for symbian.
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What about Nokia and the Maemo project? Maemo is a good OS. I'd like to see SE experimenting with it in the future (would I be asking for too much?)
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lol, SE doesn't have money??? Do you think that they would be making another two fail phones ( PSP Phone and Xperia Arc ) if they didn't have the money?
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Dude, I know what I'm saying, and just so you know, you don't really have to have money as a business to make something, that's were losses and bankruptcy come from.
Let me put it into perspective for you.
HTC Q4 profit, 500 million dollars.
Samsung mobile Q4 profit, 1 BILLION dollars
Apple Q4, sit down for this one, 6 billion dollars
Sony Ericsson, the whole 2010, 90 million dollars.
It's so difficult for them to make profits, that if they splashed cash, they suddenly be in the red.
I'm not making excuses for them, but people should look at things from all angles.
How many updates do Samsung phones get with their billions, they have enough money to hire every single XDA developer for a year.
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What about Nokia and the Maemo project? Maemo is a good OS. I'd like to see SE experimenting with it in the future (would I be asking for too much?)
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I agree with you, maemo is very good. But then, Nokia has more or less dumped it for meego, and it barely has apps.
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I agree with you, maemo is very good. But then, Nokia has more or less dumped it for meego, and it barely has apps.
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So, basically Maemo needs more developing, I think it might become an important competitor in the handset market. Hey SE devs, listen carefully, you have one more option beyond Android
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Too bad, I really wanted to get a Satio about 2 years ago and an Aino 1 year ago
Seriously, don't get me wrong. I love my Xperia X10, but I now this phone CAN do more than SE rules. I think it isn't about getting Froyo (that won't happen, so ppl stop that, or unlocking the bootloader), but at least we should get an update to make this phone even better.
They say .24 update is good, I don't have it yet so I need to proof it. And this kind of updates like dualtouch are helping, but I think isn't enough yet. That's all.
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Sony Ericsson's aim for the X10 is to make as solid as possible, and I have to say they managed to do so, compared to my Galaxy Tab 2.2...
the .24 is a very reliable update, right now I am waiting for the official update for the Dual-touch in UK so I can try and and see what happens..
pshdo said:
The costumers should NOT have to read financial repports on the companies before they decide what device they should buy...!!
IF I was S/E i would actually fight with every thing i got, to give the customers a feeling that I didn´t just want to screw them...
S/E is failing big on this, any X10 buyer with just a little tech sence absolutly have to feel that they have been ****ed by S/E...
Compare S/E with eg. HTC that deliver updates far beond what can be expected to the handsets...
S/E will not even support the X10 line for one year...
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Customers shouldn't read financials, agreed, but informed customers like u and I should. If u didn't want to know as much of ur phone and brand as u could, u wouldn't be on XDA.
HTC made in one quarter, over 5 times what SE made in a year, that means bigger workforce, more programmers, more updates.
Sony Ericsson had to lay off thousands just to make a measly profit. And fighting tooth and nail is what got them into that mess, remember when made phones that had insane specs for their time, K700, S700, W800, K750, K800, the P series, the list is endless. Techies like us loved those phones, but they cost money to make, and didn't sell as much.
So I think they are tired of fighting tooth and nail, they just want to survive.
And their new range is NICE.
Arc for my MTN line.
Xperia Play for my Etisalat line.
Mwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
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So, basically Maemo needs more developing, I think it might become an important competitor in the handset market. Hey SE devs, listen carefully, you have one more option beyond Android
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I can't see any reasons for them to go and try Maemo..
They will need:
-More resources ( Devs and Techs ), which leads into spending more money
-More time to get to know the OS
-Pay Nokia to use their Maemo OS
It will not end up good for them, especially since it came from Nokia.....
Sony nears buying out Ericsson from venture: report
(Reuters) - Sony Corp is nearing a deal to buy out Telefon AB LM Ericsson's stake in their 50:50 smartphone joint venture, the Wall Street Journal reported on Thursday citing people familiar with the matter.
The joint venture's two parent companies have regularly discussed the nature of Sony Ericsson's ownership structure, according to the report. It said the talks were ongoing and could break apart at anytime.
Ericsson and Sony declined to comment on the reported talks.
"We have a long-term commitment to our joint ventures," said an Ericsson spokesman.
Many analysts say Japan's Sony needs to assert control over Sony Ericsson if the venture is to recoup market share in the cut-throat world of smartphones.
Sony and Ericsson's joint venture, formed in 2001, thrived after its breakthrough with Walkman music phones and Cybershot cameraphones, both of which leveraged Sony's brands.
But it lost out to leaner rivals at the cheaper end of the market, and its share of total handset sales has dropped to below 3 percent from more than 9 percent at its peak.
"A buyout would make a lot of sense for Ericsson as I believe their share in the joint venture is worth to them between zero and minus 1 billion euros ($1.33 billion)," said Bernstein analyst Pierre Ferragu.
"Whatever price they agree on, it would be a positive for Ericsson," he said.
Shares in Sweden's Ericsson gained further on the report and closed 6 percent higher at 69.20 crowns on Thursday.
A full takeover of the venture would boost Sony's overall offering, which includes content, gaming devices, consumer electronics and even tablet computers, but is still missing its own smartphones.
"The buyout allows Sony to move development in-house and better integrate other products like gaming into newer phones," said Steven Nathasingh from U.S. technology research firm Vaxa Inc.
Last month at the IFA trade fair in Berlin Sony Ericsson's phones were presented inside the Sony hall, mixed with Sony's TV sets and new tablets.
(Reporting by Tarmo Virki, Yinka Adegoke, Anna Ringstrom, Sven Nordenstam and Liana Balinsky-Baker; Editing by Erica Billingham)
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Sony Is This Close to Paying $1 Billion for Full Control of Sony Ericsson
Sony Is This Close to Paying $1 Billion for Full Control of Sony Ericsson
Sony sure had itself a day the other day, and rumor has it the tech giant may soon have itself all of the Sony Ericsson joint venture as well.
This according to a rumor reported by industry gaming pub Gamasutra, which reports Sony is oh so close to a $1 billion takeover of the mobile phone partnership that it currently shares a 50/50 deal with devices like the Xperia Play. That device, if you'll recall, bears the PlayStation brand and was 100% marketed to the masses as a game-playing device that happened to make phone calls.
But where would the acquired Sony Ericsson assets go? Again, according to rumor, the bits and pieces would be folded into Sony's PC and gaming wing as part of a streamlining maneuver to save cash and improve operations.
Sony Ericsson Xperia Play owners or otherwise, does this sit well with you? [Gamasutra]
its good for both!!
through this deal Sony can compete better with Samsung/Apple..
If sony can keep the employees who designed the arc ill be happy either way. It's a win win for the consumer
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Well, I have mixed feelings about this. Before the merger, Sony was failing miserably in the mobile phone sector. Their phones were just not up to standard. On the other hand, Ericsson was doing pretty well. If I recall the last Ericsson phone was the T68m which was a hit (it was later renamed T68i after the merger). The joint venture, Sony Ericsson, struck gold between 2004-2007 with their Walkman and Cypershot phones. They were very, very late in offering a high end smartphone which came in the form of the X10 in March of 2010 with sub-par software but, great hardware. This was 3 years AFTER the iPhone hit the shelves!
So I am really not sure how Sony will fair if they drop the Ericsson in "Sony Ericsson"?
I think it won't affect so much Ericsson. Or I thinks they shoudn't. If they really buy, they should just add more features to the phones, but keeps the employees from Sony Ericsson. Just a name thing.
Will still be a loyal sony ericsson fan either way. My 1st SE was the t100. It had a blue screen. Lol.
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Hopefully they keep the name and the logo.
Looks much better if Sony Ericsson is on the device and not just Sony imo
Flo95 said:
Hopefully they keep the name and the logo.
Looks much better if Sony Ericsson is on the device and not just Sony imo
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I agree. But, I do not think that they will keep it.
Do yo really think that sony-"we lock everything down and sue you if you unlock it" will continue down the path of helping devs and unlocked bootloaders that SonyEricsson just started walking upon?
I doubt it.
The name? Sony won't buy out Ericsson for anything less than a namechange. They won't pay billions just to keep label the product "SonyEricsson".
I think this is a good step for sony, but a very bad one for android.
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Well, I have mixed feelings about this. Before the merger, Sony was failing miserably in the mobile phone sector. Their phones were just not up to standard. On the other hand, Ericsson was doing pretty well. If I recall the last Ericsson phone was the T68m which was a hit (it was later renamed T68i after the merger). The joint venture, Sony Ericsson, struck gold between 2004-2007 with their Walkman and Cypershot phones. They were very, very late in offering a high end smartphone which came in the form of the X10 in March of 2010 with sub-par software but, great hardware. This was 3 years AFTER the iPhone hit the shelves!
So I am really not sure how Sony will fair if they drop the Ericsson in "Sony Ericsson"?
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Lol what the hell are you talking about.
SE offerred the first smartphone in 2002 or 2003 as P800 and than produced a range of top end smartphones until they lowered the bar with X2....
I doubt it will success, Sony always sells the brand name before the product.
HIGH PRICE=NORMAL SPECS.
doministry said:
Lol what the hell are you talking about.
SE offerred the first smartphone in 2002 or 2003 as P800 and than produced a range of top end smartphones until they lowered the bar with X2....
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Yes but, these were not popular or game changers. What I meant was the second surge of smartphones which started with the iPhone in 2007 and then the Android devices.
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Yes but, these were not popular or game changers. What I meant was the second surge of smartphones which started with the iPhone in 2007 and then the Android devices.
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Well as for the iPhone it took LOOONG time for ANY company to respond and probably one of the first real success was HTC HD2. As for SE I don't agree, X1 was very impressive, just the legacy was not continued.
SE used to make great smartphones. The whole "P" series was somehow special (i owned p910i and p1i) and the p1i is still my all-time favourite SE. Then they released the first xperia which was a worth replacement for the p1i. It was even better than its main rival at that time the htc touch pro.
but then they decided to f**k it all up and released the x2.. and then the x10..
Now they seem to be on the right track though with the 2011 series.
i just hope that the takeover from Sony wont affect their future smartphones too much
I still have the P910a. That phone is a classic! Has a physical qwerty keyboard, jog dial and touchscreen. The best of all worlds! Also has one of the loudest speakers in the industry. The phone had horrific battery life though and SE's Symbian UI wasn't that good. I had the w600i. Did anyone ever own that phone? Remember the battery door flying out easily? LOL. SE quickly recalled the devices. Tried fixing it then discontinued it. I had the p990i. That was a disaster. Then I went on to own a number of walkman series devices. The best selling w810i which I still have. My fave was the w995a which died on me.
My fave cybershot phone is still the k790a, still have that too. I love the candybar style. I had the C905a. I went through a lot of SE devices. I have the Arc now. I was thinking about getting the X10a just in case the Sony Ericsson
name is no longer. What do you guys think? Am I crazy? Please go easy on your responses. LOL
Whatever happens, I hope Sony Ericsson makes a comeback.
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I still have the P910a. That phone is a classic! Has a physical qwerty keyboard, jog dial and touchscreen. The best of all worlds! Also has one of the loudest speakers in the industry. The phone had horrific battery life though and SE's Symbian UI wasn't that good. I had the w600i. Did anyone ever own that phone? Remember the battery door flying out easily? LOL. SE quickly recalled the devices. Tried fixing it then discontinued it. I had the p990i. That was a disaster. Then I went on to own a number of walkman series devices. The best selling w810i which I still have. My fave was the w995a which died on me.
My fave cybershot phone is still the k790a, still have that too. I love the candybar style. I had the C905a. I went through a lot of SE devices. I have the Arc now. I was thinking about getting the X10a just in case the Sony Ericsson
name is no longer. What do you guys think? Am I crazy? Please go easy on your responses. LOL
Whatever happens, I hope Sony Ericsson makes a comeback.
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So you're a fellow Ericsson and SE fan!
I owned the Ericsson GH388, T18, T20, T68m, the SE K750i, C902i, X10a and now I have the Arc!
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So you're a fellow Ericsson and SE fan!
I owned the Ericsson GH388, T18, T20, T68m, the SE K750i, C902i, X10a and now I have the Arc!
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I sure am! I only listed half of the SE phones I have owned. What model was the Ericsson that was a blue candybar and it was a POS? Sorry but it was. LOL
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I sure am! I only listed half of the SE phones I have owned. What model was the Ericsson that was a blue candybar and it was a POS? Sorry but it was. LOL
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Was it the K850i?
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Was it the K850i?
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No it wasn't the k850i. It's a much older phone. It was a TDMA phone. It was under Ericsson. It had battery and battery door issues.
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No it wasn't the k850i. It's a much older phone. It was a TDMA phone. It was under Ericsson. It had battery and battery door issues.
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It must be the R300!