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Atrix vs Galaxy S2

So I am switching to AT&T and I'm trying to decide whether the Atrix or the GS2 would be better. If I were to get the GS2 it would be the international version. The pricing and release date doesn't matter and all the accessories for the atrix doesn't matter for me.
TL;DR Which one do you prefer? Give a reason as to why you would want either one.
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Well that depends.
Spec wise the only thing the Moto has on top of the S2 appears to be resolution.
Everything else the S2 is far ahead, but it is also not available for purchase.

motorola typically these days has locked boot loaders so it makes it impossible to root.. that is a killer for me. there are all kinds of software that i use that needs root.
2nd nothing compares to the brightness especially in sun of the samsung super amoled screens.
but what did you expect to hear.. you are posting this on a samsung forum?

also if you are like me if you have an unlocked phone that att doesnt know the imei range.. you can stay on the 10 per month unlimited family data plan..
although the extra att charges for data (if you are not on family unlimited) is basically butt rape anyway as i never go over 200-300 meg per month

Well I have a Galaxy S Vibrant right now. I do love the screen and also the amouny of customization available but, I don't care for Samsung takinh forever on OTA updates and releasing the source code.
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Just an update on what Igkahn said:
The Atrix has actually already been rooted, but it is all signed and therefore no custom kernels are available right now and won't be for a while until someone figures it out.
That being said, I absolutely hate Motorola's Motoblur, and would choose the Galaxy S2 twenty times over the Atrix. The TouchWiz 4.0 on the Galaxy S2 also looks awesome.

I'm still tossing up between these 2 phones.. but in defence of the Atrix Tegra owns Exynos it would appear according to Anadtech.
Also I fear we're looking at some serious delays to the galaxy.. I don't think they'll be out until May earliest..

People need to stop using the anandtech benchmarks as any meaningful measuring stick. Constantly doing so just reeks of willful ignorance. The Atrix has the S2 beat since there is no release date in sight, but you can already get an Atrix at the store right now in the US. I'll be waiting til March for the S2 but if nothing shows up, I might get the Atrix instead.

Moto phones are a nightmare
Atrix will be locked up like every other Moto phone
if DEVs are unable to unlock it, then you are stuck using stock ROM forever
it might not affect regular users, but if you are a PRO user that want the best out of the phone, then it'd not be the phone of choice

Papi4baby said:
Well that depends.
Spec wise the only thing the Moto has on top of the S2 appears to be resolution.
Everything else the S2 is far ahead, but it is also not available for purchase.
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One word: Pentile..

There is a huge amount of misinformation in this thread. A truley staggering amount of massively misleading misinformation.
lgkahn said:
motorola typically these days has locked boot loaders so it makes it impossible to root.. that is a killer for me. there are all kinds of software that i use that needs root.
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This is not true. While Motorola do have locked bootloaders, the Atrix was rooted before it was released. Titanium backup e.t.c work fine without it.
gunigugu said:
I'm still tossing up between these 2 phones.. but in defence of the Atrix Tegra owns Exynos it would appear according to Anadtech
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Anadtech have said themselves that this is prerelease software on unfinished drivers. Let's wait and see final hardware / software before we make judgements. Also, there will be a variant of the SGSII with Tegra 2 inside (model number 19103)
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if DEVs are unable to unlock it, then you are stuck using stock ROM forevere
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Again, untrue. The Milestone and Droid X both have locked bootloaders that none one has cracked and both have custom ROMs, the only thing you can't change is the Kernel. Also the Atrix has a signed bootloader rather than an encrypted one, which improves the possibility of it being cracked (albeit a slim one)
Toss3 said:
One word: Pentile..
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I presume you are talking about the Atrix having Pentile, not the SGSII? It is an annoying decision, IMHO the trade off of going Pentile is greater than the benefits of the higher resolution, so I wish they had put a little more cash into it. I case anyone doesn't know the SGSII has a Super AMOLED+ screen which doesn't use the pentile arrangement, hence the jump in screen size from 4" to 4.27"
A lot of posts in this thread are giving out false information, please do research before posting something as fact as people rely on these forums for reliable information when thinking about a purchase.

Galaxy S2 will have the Atrix 4g beat when the phone is released. Tegra2 devices are not yet fully flash supported right now according to some articles. Both phones will be good. I prefer Samsung because they have some kick ass hardware.

albie1937 said:
Galaxy S2 will have the Atrix 4g beat when the phone is released. Tegra2 devices are not yet fully flash supported right now according to some articles. Both phones will be good. I prefer Samsung because they have some kick ass hardware.
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Lets see.. I do hope so because I'm tossing up between the two devices even though I really want it now and can purchase the atrix already
I do fear though that as tegra is being used everywhere and also as the reference platform for Honycomb it will get all the special attention.

l0st.prophet said:
Anadtech have said themselves that this is prerelease software on unfinished drivers. Let's wait and see final hardware / software before we make judgements. Also, there will be a variant of the SGSII with Tegra 2 inside (model number 19103)
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True, but bear in mind they were talking about a March? release initially... but looking like April now.
How much work on drivers can they get done in that time? and if the hardware isn't finalised by now they are going to struggle to get this out before iPhone 5.
Oh and and i9103 would be the dream device, but I'm looking to buy ASAP... I can't keep waiting forever

It'll be SGS II for me,as long as there are no encryption/locking issues.
I have the fear the the signed/locked bootloader thingy on the Atrix will never be fully 'worked out',and i don't want my android experience limited even in the slightest way.
If Supercurio,Sztupy,Hardcore and friends can work their magic without limitations on the SGS II then the deal is sealed.Otherwise long life to my SGS.
PS: but will happen to SGS II exynos if tegra 2 becomes the de facto baseground for all future android itinerations?

darksaber73 said:
PS: but will happen to SGS II exynos if tegra 2 becomes the de facto baseground for all future android itinerations?
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Nothing. Why, what should happen?

l0st.prophet said:
AllGamer said:
if DEVs are unable to unlock it, then you are stuck using stock ROM forevere
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Again, untrue. The Milestone and Droid X both have locked bootloaders that none one has cracked and both have custom ROMs, the only thing you can't change is the Kernel. Also the Atrix has a signed bootloader rather than an encrypted one, which improves the possibility of it being cracked (albeit a slim one)
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noooo, you're missing my point.
I've a Moto phone, and it's locked, but it's using a hacked ROM as well, so we all know it's possible to use Custom ROMs
but the problem is, with a locked bootloader, signed or whatever, it drives away developers and good cooks
and when the phone is not popular among the DEV community, chances are you'll most likely get stuck with whatever is out of the box
Another well known issue with Motorola
they put it plain and clear, they do not want to upgrade the phone OS
so if you got your phone with Froyo 2.2, don't expect to see GB 2.4 on it
Moto have a public schedule for OS phone upgrades https://supportforums.motorola.com/community/manager/softwareupgrades
so make sure your phone is listed, else...

if the galaxy 2 would have a 540 x 960 screen like the atrix then there'd be no doubt about it , such a shame that samsung chose to go with 480x800

Chad_Petree said:
if the galaxy 2 would have a 540 x 960 screen like the atrix then there'd be no doubt about it , such a shame that samsung chose to go with 480x800
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They didn't have any other choice. The SAMOLED+ screen has more subpixels than any other screen, and it is therefore impossible to place more pixels on a surface of the same size with the current manufacturing technology (which is most likely one of the reasons why they had to bump the size to 4.3" and 4.5" for the Infuse). They would have either had to make the screen even bigger (ugh, too big), or dropped the extra subpixels (sacrifice sharpness).
Anyway, it's bye bye to the pentile grid which is probably the best news as far as the screen goes

martino2k6 said:
They didn't have any other choice. The SAMOLED+ screen has more subpixels than any other screen, and it is therefore impossible to place more pixels on a surface of the same size with the current manufacturing technology (which is most likely one of the reasons why they had to bump the size to 4.3" and 4.5" for the Infuse). They would have either had to make the screen even bigger (ugh, too big), or dropped the extra subpixels (sacrifice sharpness).
Anyway, it's bye bye to the pentile grid which is probably the best news as far as the screen goes
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wow, u really convinced me with that! do u work for samsung ? xD

Differentiation between the three Galaxy Tabs

We now have three different Galaxy Tabs.
The 10.1 Galaxy Tab is being referred to as simply the "Galaxy Tab," which is what the 7" Galaxy Tab has been referred to since the beginning. The 8.9" is coming out. How can we simply, and in a unified way, create an acronym, or other delimiter, to express the three sizes and encourage the usage outside of XDA for everyone to describe the three different tablets? It was a mistake on Samsung for not making them more unique.
Do we refer to them as GT7, GT8, and GT10?
Thoughts?

conchchowder said:
Do we refer to them as GT7, GT8, and GT10?
Thoughts?
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...erm, yeah.

I'd say:
GT
GT8
GT10 (or 10.1)
Also don't see what this has to do with our Tab though
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GANJDROID said:
I'd say:
GT
GT8
GT10 (or 10.1)
Also don't see what this has to do with our Tab though
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Sorry if you don't see.

We are the galaxy tab! Everything else is something else!

Actually there are 4 different Tabs. 7 inch Wifi Tab is nothing like the GSM/CDMA Tab. All it shares is a name and screen size. Inside it is completely different hardware (TI OMAP instead of Samsung Hummingbird SoC). So you cannot use ROMs, kernels, even most libraries from one on another.
8.9 and 10 inch Tabs have much more in common since both are based on Tegra2.
I think it could be prudent to add separate subforums or thread tag requirements for different Tabs, especially in dev section so people don't flash wrong stuff.

Technomancer said:
Actually there are 4 different Tabs. 7 inch Wifi Tab is nothing like the GSM/CDMA Tab. All it shares is a name and screen size. Inside it is completely different hardware (TI OMAP instead of Samsung Hummingbird SoC). So you cannot use ROMs, kernels, even most libraries from one on another.
8.9 and 10 inch Tabs have much more in common since both are based on Tegra2.
I think it could be prudent to add separate subforums or thread tag requirements for different Tabs, especially in dev section so people don't flash wrong stuff.
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Yes. Sorry for forgetting that...this even furthers the need for differentiation, somehow,

conchchowder said:
Sorry if you don't see.
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Could you enlighten me then?
I don't understand what relevance this has to our forum as its specifically for the 7"
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GANJDROID said:
Could you enlighten me then?
I don't understand what relevance this has to our forum as its specifically for the 7"
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I'm looking at the bigger picture and how the 7 versions fit in

Aye, worth having this discussion. People with the newer tabs will probably be ending up here by default.
So...
GT7
GT7(tmo/att/whatever local telco is)
GT7wifi
GT8
GT10v (GT10fat?)
GT10
And F/G/H for Froyo/Gingerbread/Honeycomb (+ version)
So I'd be;
GT7TmoG2.3
As a rough shorthand.

Not to mention the fact that even amongst the 3G enable Tabs, there's differences. The CDMA Tab is a different animal than the GSM Tab.

GT7Tmo?
or
GT7GSM?

Oh my god... where did we end up if GT7gsmG2.3 is a "short" description... but seems to me as a needed thing as well as it will save devs from to many questions from users/noobs that bricked their GT with wrong Firmwares...
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What's wrong with Galaxy Tab, Galaxy Tab 8.9 and Galaxy Tab 10.1?
Of course these are not bad at all:
GT7, GT8 and GT10

How about the model number, seeing how each country also had their own versions.
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Jyveafk said:
Aye, worth having this discussion. People with the newer tabs will probably be ending up here by default.
So...
GT7
GT7(tmo/att/whatever local telco is)
GT7wifi
GT8
GT10v (GT10fat?)
GT10
And F/G/H for Froyo/Gingerbread/Honeycomb (+ version)
So I'd be;
GT7TmoG2.3
As a rough shorthand.
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rofl, seriously!?
So i have a GT7telGCM7

natious said:
rofl, seriously!?
So i have a GT7telGCM7
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GT7GSMGBCM7 here
I genuinely don't get why GT, GT8 and GT10 isn't enough. If you want specifics tthen list them. All these abbreviations will just confuse people.
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My fellow korean dweller has got a point. You yanks dont get SGS dmb satelite and terristial tv chips in you models do you? Your custom roms break my viewing pleasure so all 8 inch tabs are not apples for apples. There is another three carrier korean models, wifi, umts, wibro 10.1 etc? I'm using a 2.5g EVDO edition of the tab. There are going to be custom orders for samsung junk so let's just refer to it by the proper model # its not pretty but puts the whole world user base and the manufacturer using the same convention. That's just the hardware. GT(M180L) if 삼성의 initials are too much to swallow as well.
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Yeah, they really confused people with these names.. They should name them differently, uniquely.. I was really confused at first, actually still are xD
GT7, GT8, and GT10 bit better lol

hojuruku said:
My fellow korean dweller has got a point. You yanks dont get SGS dmb satelite and terristial tv chips in you models do you? Your custom roms break my viewing pleasure so all 8 inch tabs are not apples for apples. There is another three carrier korean models, wifi, umts, wibro 10.1 etc? I'm using a 2.5g EVDO edition of the tab. There are going to be custom orders for samsung junk so let's just refer to it by the proper model # its not pretty but puts the whole world user base and the manufacturer using the same convention. That's just the hardware. GT(M180L) if 삼성의 initials are too much to swallow as well.
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+1 This actually makes the most sense... not going to say if its good enough for Sammy, its good ..... cause obviously HoneyComb isn't grrrrrrr!!!!

Windows Phone 7 on SGS II?

Looks like there might be a chance Samsung is going to release a WP7 version of the SGS II.
If possible to port...it would be very fun for the community...
source: GSMArena

Key part of article:
Of course a move to Windows Phone would also require the Galaxy S II chipset to be replaced with a Qualcomm Snapdragon, but those are quite capable too so it's no biggie.
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Sounds like fun... Exynos CPU and Mali GPU, why not port an OS to it that's totally closed source, to a totally new architecture...
I personally wouldn't hold my breath

Not sure how many ppl would go from Android to WP7 tbh ...

tr3yt0n said:
Not sure how many ppl would go from Android to WP7 tbh ...
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Many ppl would install it just for tests
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[Q] note with quad

i have read somewhere that samsung will be selling the Exynos 4412 seperatly so we can replace the chipset of the note to quad.
if anyone got information about this plz reply.

[email protected] said:
i have read somewhere that samsung will be selling the Exynos 4412 seperatly so we can replace the chipset of the note to quad.
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Where did you read this?
There is no _way_ Samsung would sell a CPU or upgraded mainboard separately for an existing product. What would the incentive be for users to buy the next model phone?
It would also necessitate a different build of the OS.

The chipset is not user replaceable!
Totally absurd If you ask me!
Quad-core Note 2 on the other hand, more likely...
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[email protected] said:
i have read somewhere that samsung will be selling the Exynos 4412 seperatly so we can replace the chipset of the note to quad.
if anyone got information about this plz reply.
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Where do you read this. Are you talking out the side of your head or engadget.
That article mentioned something about manufactors being able to connect the new chip with the dual core chip because the chips are pin to pin to reduce cost.
Lol this is funny.
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intruda119 is correct, it's on factory basis this info is meant.
You can in theory, install the new chip on existing designes, but most likely, you need to change other things as well, to make full use of the power within the new SOC.
Brilliant, instead of like, Intel, that every new CPU they release you need to look up a new motherboard....ugh...

i don't remember where did i read it but yesterday my friend told me the same thing and i though while not so sure as i am not that knowledgeable in the technical term but i know that the 2 chipsets are based on the cortex-9.
i think samsung would make a very wise decision by doing this it will give an more amazing image when it is thinking that far for the costumers. i dont think any one that have a note with its beautiful big screen will get the SG3 because of the smaller screen and the next note is not coming untill 6 months in my opinion and when it arrive they could make it with a new design and better screen and the same chipset and it will sell big time.
this is my opinion i knowed once i posted this many people will say it is stupid but i want to know if it technically possible. because i am trying to choose between the one x and the galaxy note. i will not wait for the SG3 because it needs more than a month to arrive in my country and i need a bigger screen that 4.0 inch. this is my first android device and i would like it to last for as long as possible.

practically you can replace but the problem will be with the software side....

could samsung work on the software
guys i am just bringing a topic of discussion. i am a noob in android. i have been using nokia for many years started from the baby nokia till the n97.

It's totally impossible. Yes, the 32nm quad is pin compatible with the 32nm dual Exynos, however the Note has the 45nm Exynos so it's not compatible at all.
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Its funny because my wanna be techy coworker just walked up to me and mentioned this. I dont think the thought is dumb or anything. But wouldnt be a smart move for samsung.
I wouldnt think it would be as easy as legos. Pretty sure theres some type of difficult soldering involved.
Would be nice but companies make most money off incrementel updates and gimmicks. Thx apple for the blueprint.
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Note 4 intel

Anyone have any guesses on when this will be announced. I've never bought a Note, but plan on getting this one

not sure why you put intel in your post, as far as I know Samsung uses qualcom snapdragon processors. I don't see them using intel when they have been using qualcom for awhile.
As for the note 4, when it comes out it will most likely be a powerhouse. I recommend waiting till it comes out rather than buy the note 3( a great phone too)

brex91 said:
not sure why you put intel in your post, as far as I know Samsung uses qualcom snapdragon processors. I don't see them using intel when they have been using qualcom for awhile.
As for the note 4, when it comes out it will most likely be a powerhouse. I recommend waiting till it comes out rather than buy the note 3( a great phone too)
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I think he means "Intel" as in "information", even though its mostly used in speaking about politics or military stuff...

badboyg200 said:
I think he means "Intel" as in "information", even though its mostly used in speaking about politics or military stuff...
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ah, yeah that might be it.
But the term is somewhat associated with technology. Can't blame a guy for assuming