Futures with htc devices - G2 and Desire Z General

I read a lot more about the newer htc devices being made not very rootable.... if this is true where do we go from htc? Samshitung or ****ty erricsson? Motofailure? Lg?
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Motorola is even more locked down than anyone else. HTC is the most open probably.
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This locking down these devices totally takes away from a true android reason for existence right?
I say companies should if anything charge 100 bucks more for a prerooted phone, and cut the warranty in half if they are truly that scared. I would gladly pay extra for a rooted device new out of the box.
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tackleberry said:
This locking down these devices totally takes away from a true android reason for existence right?
I say companies should if anything charge 100 bucks more for a prerooted phone, and cut the warranty in half if they are truly that scared. I would gladly pay extra for a rooted device new out of the box.
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The wizards here at xda will all ways find a way, the desire z and hd had extra security and it was cracked. The Htc thunderbolt has recently been rooted to.
It is a worry though I would hate to have to stick with stock. But hope fully the nexus product line will continue so there will all ways be that option assuming that Htc make them from now on.
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I have total faith in the people here at xda, but still is alarming that I read this stuff is locked down more.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the current nexus phone a samsung?
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tackleberry said:
I have total faith in the people here at xda, but still is alarming that I read this stuff is locked down more.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the current nexus phone a samsung?
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Yeah it is, what I meant was that hopefully htc will get to make the next one and not samsung
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My Vibrant was very easy to root, modify, and most importantly, restore to stock. If it had a physical keyboard I'd probably still have it. The sense I got from the community there was that it is one of the easier phones to work with (except for the whole Samsung never upgrading it or releasing the full source code).

The g2x is supposed to come with the bootloader unlocked so I would put my money on LG
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lg releases source on day one, unlocked bootloader, and gives an almost stock aosp feature out of the box...

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Honest opinion....

Honest opinion please. Is the evolution better than the droid x???? Im paying way to much at Verizon.
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Evo**
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Honest opinion please. Is the evolution better than the droid x???? Im paying way to much at Verizon.
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I have several friends with the droid x and have rooted many of them. I wouldn't trade my evo for one///ever.
I rooted mine and all that good stuff it wasn't hard at all. Is the evo eaisier and does it have a better screen????
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I rooted mine and all that good stuff it wasn't hard at all. Is the evo eaisier and does it have a better screen????
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They are similar in specs. You should play with the Evo at a Sprint store. Most have it on display now.
Well Evo seems easier to root with unrevoked and screen is almost the same, I hate hump in the back of the droid tho, and I got tired of motorola phones (bad speakers in most the I owned ) so I stick with the Evo and HTC if you want veruzon you should wait for the thunderbolt.or incredible s to come out , thunderbolt is an Evo redesing with new sense and inc s is almost the same just smaller
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Does it have a locked bootloader??? My guess is no
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Verizon has been ripping me off for the last six months and im sick of it. And im sick of Motorola locking there bootloaders. Is sprint getting any new htc phoned similar to the evo???
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The specs are pretty much the same.
So in my opinion:
form factor: I like the evo. It's nice, slick, flat and sexy. The droid x has that awful bump on the back and is hideous. Winner: Evo
UI: Motoblur's happenings widget is badass, but HTC Sense is faster, better looking and more usable. The widgets are nice and don't slow the system down. Winner: Evo
Root: Don't know Droid X root method, but the Evo was by far the easiest root I've ever gotten (coming from the MyTouch Slide and the G2). Winner: Evo
Roms/dev support: We got CM, which means we have THE BEST AOSP roms on earth. We've got half a dozen fantastic sense UI roms (Myn, MikFroYo, Konikub's Elite, etc) and they're always updated and supported. Plus, a bunch of themes. Winner: Evo
I'd get an Evo, but you should try one out at the store before making a decision. Some people really like their Droids.
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Verizon has been ripping me off for the last six months and im sick of it. And im sick of Motorola locking there bootloaders. Is sprint getting any new htc phoned similar to the evo???
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No. They are probably waiting for a killer device - The Echo
I love my droid!!! I don't love paying 150 bucks a month for locked a boot loader and no front facing camera. Is there a one click root for the evo or is it all about downloading drivers and that nonsense???
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Oh yeh are you guys getting 2.3 ota??. Or you guys just using 2.3 roms like us folks with dx's??
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Same with 2.3 roms.
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No. They are probably waiting for a killer device - The Echo
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Yeah HTC probably is going to.annouce the new HTC phone next month at CTIA like they did with the Evo so just wait
And for the other dude not word on update most likely getting just 2 weeks before the next HTC device in summer like the hero lol
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If there going to announce a phone next month then im going to wait. Maybe I can get away with not paying Verizon anymore money for another month ;/
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stevo760 said:
If there going to announce a phone next month then im going to wait. Maybe I can get away with not paying Verizon anymore money for another month ;/
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I hear you I was in verizon too I pay the ETF and it pay off already with sprint
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stevo760 said:
I love my droid!!! I don't love paying 150 bucks a month for locked a boot loader and no front facing camera. Is there a one click root for the evo or is it all about downloading drivers and that nonsense???
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You have to download the HTC drivers, Android SDK (which any rooted android user should already have) and UnRevoked. Then open unrevoked and root. All done. There's an FAQ around here somewhere...
Thanks for your help and opinions fellow android users
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lol u know most of the answers in here will be bias right? this is the "EVO" section...
I based my post on a trust factor.
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G2X or Sensation?

Which one would you choose? The 3.0 sense on the sensation looks so nice, if you have not seen videos of it you should definitely see it. The g2x is stock vanilla froyo, but it will gb soon after launch, also it has the tegra 2 processor and the sensation has tge quallcomm processor. Its very hard for me to choose.
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I wouldn't get either. 1gb of internal memory... no thanks HTC.
Once the Evo 3D is available, I'm getting that.
T-Mobiles reception sucks where I moved to, but sprint has 4g available
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G2X bootloader is wide open (Cyanogen's next device!), Sensation is locked. So choice is pretty obvious.
I haven't decided yet. I need to see some reviews and "usability benchmarks" (ie: how well the devices respond in general usage). The Vibrant puts down good benchmarks, but fails in everyday usability (it's laggy to respond, even with bionix, voodoo kernels, overclock). I think Samsung's source is to blame; they just can't write good code.
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G2X bootloader is wide open (Cyanogen's next device!), Sensation is locked. So choice is pretty obvious.
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This is a non-issue for me. I'm getting fairly well tired of constantly flashing devices, downtime, **** being broken, waiting for code, etc. I just want a device that works.
Definitely the sensation. Better screen more ram, gingerbread and its one sexy beast of a phone. Since its an htc device then it'll definitely get cyanogenmod
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Im want the gs2 if it comes to tmobile
Robert8457 said:
Im want the gs2 if it comes to tmobile
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+1 that will be my next one hopefully soooon!
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Im want the gs2 if it comes to tmobile
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The reason I wont get that because of samsung. Also not a big fan touchwiz, either stock or sense for me.
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Wait for the optimus 3d!
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Wait for the optimus 3d!
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Im not really big on 3d phones, just fast, stable phones with a lot dev scene.
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In that case, if you want big, fast, and strongly supported phones, by a Nexus. Sure,the G2x and Sensation are both good, but Nexus phones will always be the ones to last the longest and be supported.
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In that case, if you want big, fast, and strongly supported phones, by a Nexus. Sure,the G2x and Sensation are both good, but Nexus phones will always be the ones to last the longest and be supported.
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The g2x is pretty much a stock and it has a dual core processor. Also the sensation is a htc phone so that phone will get supported by cyanogen and other devs as well.
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Don't get the G2x stock android messed up with Google's stock Android. The only true stock android imo is one in which Google controls updates, otherwise you are at the mercy of your carrier and manufacturer. The G2 has "stock android" and has yet to receive gingerbread.
G2x. For me due to it being stock. Well its either g2x or gs2, more than likely they both wont have locked bootloaders
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This is a non-issue for me. I'm getting fairly well tired of constantly flashing devices, downtime, **** being broken, waiting for code, etc. I just want a device that works.
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Yeah but that's why we flash in the first place, to get our phones working the way they should have shipped. Though I understand, I'm slowing down a bit on the constant flashing. I just wouldn't expect a phone that works just the way you want out of the box. Though to answer your question, the G2x seems to have the lasting power, with vanilla Android, Tegra 2, a swift 2.3 update planned, and an unlocked bootloader if/when support is dropped and you decide to flash it to extend its life. However, I've heard some QC issues, bugs with it, not that HTC doesn't have its own problems with that.
Does the g2x have its own forum now? I saw the optimus 2x forums, but I dont know if its for the g2x. I wonder if its already out in europe because there are roms for the phone.
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Sensation it is!
G2X Dual Core 1GHZ processor

Mytouch 4g or HTC Sensation 4G

Wanted to know your thoughts on whether I should trade my mytouch 4g plus cash ($50) for an HTC Sensation 4G. I know the sensation is a very nice device, just not sure about the locked bootloader and dev support since it wont be T-Mobile's flagship device.
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Save ur money and flash evil D's virtuous fusion 1.1.8
Seriously tho only thing u gain with sensation is screen size and dual core IMO, mt4g still can hang it out till the quadcore phones/higher end 35nm dualcore phones release.
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d12unk13astard said:
Save ur money and flash evil D's virtuous fusion 1.1.8
Seriously tho only thing u gain with sensation is screen size and dual core IMO, mt4g still can hang it out till the quadcore phones/higher end 35nm dualcore phones release.
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I agree, just run Virtuous Fusion if you want the Sense 3.0 look and save your phone/cash until the quad cores come out later this year
Trade plus $50..****..Do It!
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Trade plus $50..****..Do It!
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Yeah how are you pulling that deal off, OP?
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Skip the Sensation and save your phone, just wait for the Quads like unk said, by that time we would have ice cream sandwich phones with no buttons and 720P resolution(better than qHD), Full HD Camera/vid, and who knows what else.
There is always gonna be a better phone that is going to be released. If you want the sensation and feel that its a good deal then go for it. The mt4g is still a great phone though and i probably wouldnt trade mine away.
Yeah I've been thinking about it and I'm leaning toward keeping the mytouch 4g because I feel it will have a larger user group (which means more support as far as rooting/ROMs). Also, not sure if the bootloader will be unlocked on the Sensation 4G.
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Yeah I've been thinking about it and I'm leaning toward keeping the mytouch 4g because I feel it will have a larger user group (which means more support as far as rooting/ROMs). Also, not sure if the bootloader will be unlocked on the Sensation 4G.
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Just get the sensation then...It is better in performance since you have neither just get the higher-end one. But I would recommend you to wait for the SGII or ICS phones at the end of the year. But I'm getting very repetitive in explaining why you should get one or the other.
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Yeah how are you pulling that deal off, OP?
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+1
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+1
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I have a friend that wants the mytouch and is up for renewal. I told him mine was in very good condition and I would give it to him plus $50, if he upgraded and got the htc sensation 4g.
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I have a friend that wants the mytouch and is up for renewal. I told him mine was in very good condition and I would give it to him plus $50, if he upgraded and got the htc sensation 4g.
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Dang. you're a lucky dude.
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Dang. you're a lucky dude.
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Might as well then, it's not like the sensation won't ever get unlocked. It will happen eventually, and if it doesn't effect your own upgrade hell why not..
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Might as well then, it's not like the sensation won't ever get unlocked. It will happen eventually, and if it doesn't effect your own upgrade hell why not..
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True. I was looking at the sensation forums and it seems like an unlock is very close, official or not. some people were "accidentally" sold sensations with S-OFF and root.
I would do it, $50 Imo is not that much especially when you're getting a sweet looking and powerful phone like the sensation. I am very very happy with my mytouch but if I was offered that deal than I would definitely pull the trigger! If you got the money then do it but if you really don't then don't even think about it just don't do it. Either way I would still upgrade to kai-el. I am off contract so don't really have to worry about termination fees or early upgrading. Thank god!
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Do it sell it for 450 buy another mytouch for 200
200 profit rright there.
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mwilliams05 said:
I have a friend that wants the mytouch and is up for renewal. I told him mine was in very good condition and I would give it to him plus $50, if he upgraded and got the htc sensation 4g.
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lucky you! I would go for it.
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Do it sell it for 450 buy another mytouch for 200
200 profit rright there.
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agree....very good arbitrage situation.
i would get the sensation
I love root and I root every phone I get my hands on before I even log into my Google Account, and the lack of root on the Sensation really pains me. Honestly, all I want is Titanium Backup capabilities so I can transfer my data from games such as Aqua Pets and the various Kairosoft games.
The phone is super sexy, but I guess I'm a "Power-User", cause it only takes a few minutes for my battery level to TANK. Example - Week after power cycling the phone (so hopefully this battery is "conditioned" enough), I leave my house at 8am and around 815 I start downloading Audible books over HSPA+. I lose service at 840 when my train goes underground, and when I get to work 10 minutes later, I'm at 76% already.
The 4G KILLS this phone, and I need Juice Defender Ultimate on EXTREME just to make it through the day.
Comparatively, my MT4G on stock battery last slightly longer under the same circumstances.
So I would recommend holding out on this phone for maybe a month or so. I'm not going to return it, I love it, and Sense 3.0 is actually quite nice. The weather animations and the carousel are nice touches, as are the lockscreen shortcuts and "themes". It's not a bad skin to stock Android, and it doesn't seem to slow the phone down.
There is a ton of useless bloatware on the phone, and some stuff that might be running in the background, so root would be awesome to have to trim the fat in that sense (pun intended).

need advice on a trade..

Hey I just need some advice here.
I got a friend who wants to trade me a
Nexus one with cyanogenmod7 on it.
I have a g2 that's rooted also with cyan.
My question is with my g2 I get about a gig of
Internal memory I know with the nexus is doesn't have much memory.
Should I stay with the g2 with more internal memory or should I move to the nexus.
Has anyone else done this trade with anyone?
I would like some pros and cons that would help with my decision.
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks.
Honestly, id keep the G2. Second gen snapdragon rapes the first gen (which the nexus has) in CPU and especially GPU department. Now if you want something without a kb then thats personal preference. The Nexus will always have the advantage being a native google phone, but in terms of hardware its a downgrade imo
s3nT fR0m mY pYrAmId fLaVoReD gLaCi3R
Don't do it.
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Honestly, id keep the G2. Second gen snapdragon rapes the first gen (which the nexus has) in CPU and especially GPU department. Now if you want something without a kb then thats personal preference. The Nexus will always have the advantage being a native google phone, but in terms of hardware its a downgrade imo
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Exactly what he said.
Ya u shouldn't do it.
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I came from nexus a few days ago, don't do it
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i own both phones, on an off day the g2 runs figure eights around the nexus, and just utilize your apps2sd for memory justification..now if this g2 only had that track ball of the nexus id b 100% content. i can't stand this ridiculous excuse of a user input the "already feels stuck out the box trackpad". just my thoughts.
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if this g2 only had that track ball of the nexus id b 100% content. i can't stand this ridiculous excuse of a user input the "already feels stuck out the box trackpad".
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I agree, I have both too, and I really like the track ball of the nexus one; also the flashing multicolored notification lights are really nice. Another plus of the nexus one are those three dock pins on the bottom for the desktop dock. I really love that feature, why don't more manufactures implement this. I was kind-of thinking of drilling in some holes and wiring it up on the g2 but had second thoughts.
keep the G2, get a new friend.
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keep the G2, get a new friend.
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ptesmoke said:
keep the G2, get a new friend.
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That's a little rough...
But yeah I don't think there's any real reason to trade a G2 for a Nexus One, especially if you're just going to be rooted and update yourself anyways.
Maybe if you need some money and he's going to put some on his end to make the trade
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keep the G2, get a new friend.
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+1, especially the second part =p, friend is trying to rip you off!

Charging Port broke/Going to the Galaxy Nexus.

I really appreaciate everyone here in the EVO4g thread. Today my EVO lost its charging port, pretty much feel off the motherboard, and will not charge or connect to the computer anymore. I will be going to the Galaxy Nexus come Sunday hopefully. I did the buy up program and will begetting an early upgrade with LTE baby. Will miss DECK, Ropodope, TommyT, MYN and Mik.
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I really appreaciate everyone here in the EVO4g thread. Today my EVO lost its charging port, pretty much feel off the motherboard, and will not charge or connect to the computer anymore. I will be going to the Galaxy Nexus come Sunday hopefully. I did the buy up program and will begetting an early upgrade with LTE baby. Will miss DECK, Ropodope, TommyT, MYN and Mik.
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Good Luck and Enjoy.
marcusva79 said:
I really appreaciate everyone here in the EVO4g thread. Today my EVO lost its charging port, pretty much feel off the motherboard, and will not charge or connect to the computer anymore. I will be going to the Galaxy Nexus come Sunday hopefully. I did the buy up program and will begetting an early upgrade with LTE baby. Will miss DECK, Ropodope, TommyT, MYN and Mik.
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Sorry to see you Marcus, you've been a great asset to the evo community. Too bad you couldn't hold out till June for the LtEVO.
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I'm in the same boat, but my charging port fell out last year With sprints TEP now being $11, (starting in June) I'm wondering which phone will be more durable, the Galaxy Nexus or Evo 4g LTE?
dschoenike
I have been thinking on the EVO lte but I am not really fond of Sense anymore.
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I have been thinking on the EVO lte but I am not really fond of Sense anymore.
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Same here man. I don't remember the last time I used an EVO Sense ROM. I will probably be joining you.
Hope I will see some familiar faces soon.
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Hope I will see some familiar faces soon.
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I'm gona be on that galaxy S III train, for sure.
Offically have the Galaxy Nexus. Love it!
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Offically have the Galaxy Nexus. Love it!
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What persuaded you to go that route vs. the EVO LTE? I mean, Sense is way toned down with the new 4.0, and seems to not do much but enhance the experience. Just want to point out that I haven't ran a Sense ROM in about 6 months either, but the new version seems nice, and the hardware on the LTE is absolutely sick!
Anyway, I'm asking because I'm in the Nexus vs. EVO LTE vs. GSIII boat right now...
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I have been thinking on the EVO lte but I am not really fond of Sense anymore.
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I really like the HTC hardware, but haven't used sense in forever. Conundrum. Hopefully the Evo will get AOSP/CM/AOKP right quick.
Congrats on your new phone. I'll miss your posts of battery use screenshots lol
Enjoy your nexus. Thanks for what you've done here.
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My brother has the nexus and I really liked it. I hardly used any sense widgets and any sense apps. Just mainly downloaded them from the market. Sense 4.O could be good. I'm fine with what I got
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LTeVO
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To weigh in here, we are on XDA right? A development site. And considering htc has unlockable bootloaders there is plenty to be done for making any device what you want. Sooooo why not just go for specs?
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To weigh in here, we are on XDA right? A development site. And considering htc has unlockable bootloaders there is plenty to be done for making any device what you want. Sooooo why not just go for specs?
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To weigh in here, we are on XDA right? A development site. And considering htc has unlockable bootloaders there is plenty to be done for making any device what you want. Sooooo why not just go for specs?
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Go check the other evolte threads where scottspa quoted toastch from the twrp thread in the onex forum. HTC has forked up the unlock so badly you cannot flash firmware once unlocked, USB connection is unavailable in recovery mode so you can't flash the boot partition, system partition meaning without and exploit to gain s-off access to the bootloader the htcdev unlock is essentially useless for flashing roms/radios, any kind of p*img.zip, onlyway to flash any kind of upgrades currently is thru an ruu. HTC locking their bootloaders and giving a halfassed unlock method as some kind of joke/tease is why I currently will not purchase another HTC device. I'm not giving my money to a company who claims to support developers by giving them a halfcocked useless tool to unlock what shouldn't be locked in the firstplace. Samsung doesn't lock the bootloader they just implemented a flash count that triggers anytime you flash an unsecured kernel, its easily reset using a USB jig or if you're on ics an app called triangle away by chainfire. Rooting is as simple as running a prerooted firmware thru Odin/heimdall and Samsung is now releasing source prior to the ota and are dropping updates as quickly as they are stable. After I had a Samsung intercept as my first android device Samsung left a bad taste in my mouth and I went to the HTC evo, as if had several HTC winmo phones and liked them. Then I was given an ET4G sprints version of the sgs2 and realized how much of an improvement Samsung has made in the 2 years since I had my intercept. Now HTC goes and forks around with the monkey business of locking the bootloader then giving an unlock method thats about as useful as a broken key to your front door, so now you gotta spend alot of time and effort attempting to break in your own Backdoor with out damaging anything
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