Google has decided not to release the Honeycomb source code for the foreseeable future.
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2011/tc20110324_269784.htm
I was just coming to post that. This blows.
Wow, that really pushes me toward looking for a tablet with Ubuntu instead. Looks like Honeycomb is a mess rushed for release much to soon. The more I look into Android the more closed it seems.
I think I'm going to go cry now. Does anyone know if NI already has access to Honeycomb or are we completely reamed now?
Hehe...there's a lot of very talented developer and hacker out there...when they got their hands on the xoom im pretty much sure adam with honeycomb.yey
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The article kept talking about putting Honeycomb on phones. I thought Honeycomb was made for tablets and not phones. I guessed I assumed that it was never intended to be put on a phone. Wikipedia talks about ice-cream sandwich (look up android operating system), which I haven't heard of until just now, being a combination of Honeycomb and Gingerbread. (Look at the references)
Everyone, its still available for the open handset alliance people. This includes notion ink. And notion ink already said they ported eden to honeycomb on their blog. There probably gonna launch the next pre orders with honeycomb. Delete this thread please
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Everyone, its still available for the open handset alliance people. This includes notion ink. And notion ink already said they ported eden to honeycomb on their blog. There probably gonna launch the next pre orders with honeycomb. Delete this thread please
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NI has had trouble getting the source actually. See the latest interview of Rohan at NIH.
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Either way, he is trying, and whither the hype of notion ink lately Google can't deny him source code. So give it one month and I bet hell have the source. Patience is a virtue that everyone wants to hate
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Either way, he is trying, and whither the hype of notion ink lately Google can't deny him source code. So give it one month and I bet hell have the source. Patience is a virtue that everyone wants to hate
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This is actually business as usual... only one company gets to work through development, with one device. So that was the Xoom, and Motorola. On the day the Xoom shipped, other OEMs got source access... I would presume it went to the Open Handset Alliance, but it's quite possible they have a more restricted group for the next phase.
There's a fair chance some things were rushed for the Xoom, and Google wants a chance to fix them. They never once promised anyone open development, only open source. So nothing goes out to source.android.com until it's in its final release form. And that's taken long enough in the past for folks to complain, even without the "heads up" or the presumably longer process, this being a major release, all-new hardware, and a new form factor.
I've been in the computer systems business since the early 80s, and nothing I heard from Google said to me "you don't get the source". Only, it's going to be a wait.
With that said, I would certainly hope that Notion Ink doesn't have to wait for source as long as folks like you and I.
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Everyone, its still available for the open handset alliance people. This includes notion ink. And notion ink already said they ported eden to honeycomb on their blog. There probably gonna launch the next pre orders with honeycomb. Delete this thread please
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Since no one addressed this yet I will. If you read the post correctly you will see that they have ported the Eden apps to Honeycomb. Not that they ported Honeycomb. Big difference.
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For what it's worth, direct from the horses' mouth?....
http://phandroid.com/2011/04/12/nvi...vers-and-support-for-harmony-tegra-2-devices/
EDIT: With the latest revelations or clarifications, perhaps this was misinterpretation..
Read and comment on the latest HERE
Partial Honeycomb source
Hey guys. What does this mean for us? From what it sounds like its a decent piece of Honeycomb source. Maybe enough to work with. Anyone know what we can do with this? Lets see what can be done.
http://groups.google.com/group/android-building/browse_thread/thread/b732d8cd82695ce1?pli=1
Source is not the issue, the issue is Nvidia driver support, or lack of..
-CC
EDIT: The "lack of" may have changed for the possibility.. Let's Hope.
EDIT2: We can already see that devices based on the same Harmony platform are claiming, at least some advancement (upgrades) in the news.
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Source is not the issue, the issue is Nvidia driver support, or lack of..
-CC
EDIT: The "lack of" may have changed for the possibility.. Let's Hope.
EDIT2: We can already see that devices based on the same Harmony platform are claiming, at least some advancement (upgrades) in the news.
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So what is it that were having to wait for? Do we have no way or modifying current drivers to work?
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So what is it that were having to wait for? Do we have no way or modifying current drivers to work?
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How can I put this the way I understand it...
NVIDIA makes some reference graphics card, ASUS works on this reference card tweaking it to their custom specs and release their own version of it.
ASUS tweaks the drivers given to them by NVIDIA that works with their reference card and makes/adds what ever is needed to make it work with their version of this reference card..
Let's say NVIDIA's drivers are made for Windows 98, so that's as far as this reference card will work with and there is only so much ASUS can do with that.
Then Windows ME, XP, Vista and 7 come out... But NVIDIA stops supporting or doesn't release any more drivers. So ASUS has nothing else they can make their card work on these new versions of Windows..
Now you have to think in broader terms, I am over simplifying it and this is not the only factors..
New hardware new advances being made every day, just don't make it cost effective and convincing enough for the consumer to keep buying that older card that was for Windows 98 for their Windows 7 machine, they need something better.
NVIDIA makes something better, other vendors work on that instead. ASUS not wanting to be left behind trying to make that older card work, comes out with newer versions of what NVIDIA is coming out with...
Let's say Xpertcolor was still working on the older card and can't afford to just dump it and work on a newer card because they aren't as big as ASUS has gotten... They are at the mercy of NVIDIA..
Hope that sorta makes some sense..
-CC
clockcycle said:
How can I put this the way I understand it...
NVIDIA makes some reference graphics card, ASUS works on this reference card tweaking it to their custom specs and release their own version of it.
ASUS tweaks the drivers given to them by NVIDIA that works with their reference card and makes/adds what ever is needed to make it work with their version of this reference card..
Let's say NVIDIA's drivers are made for Windows 98, so that's as far as this reference card will work with and there is only so much ASUS can do with that.
Then Windows ME, XP, Vista and 7 come out... But NVIDIA stops supporting or doesn't release any more drivers. So ASUS has nothing else they can make their card work on these new versions of Windows..
Now you have to think in broader terms, I am over simplifying it and this is not the only factors..
New hardware new advances being made every day, just don't make it cost effective and convincing enough for the consumer to keep buying that older card that was for Windows 98 for their Windows 7 machine, they need something better.
NVIDIA makes something better, other vendors work on that instead. ASUS not wanting to be left behind trying to make that older card work, comes out with newer versions of what NVIDIA is coming out with...
Let's say Xpertcolor was still working on the older card and can't afford to just dump it and work on a newer card because they aren't as big as ASUS has gotten... They are at the mercy of NVIDIA..
Hope that sorta makes some sense..
-CC
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I suppose so. Frustrating that there isn't really anything we can do about it.
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How can I put this the way I understand it...
NVIDIA makes some reference graphics card, ASUS works on this reference card tweaking it to their custom specs and release their own version of it.
ASUS tweaks the drivers given to them by NVIDIA that works with their reference card and makes/adds what ever is needed to make it work with their version of this reference card..
Let's say NVIDIA's drivers are made for Windows 98, so that's as far as this reference card will work with and there is only so much ASUS can do with that.
Then Windows ME, XP, Vista and 7 come out... But NVIDIA stops supporting or doesn't release any more drivers. So ASUS has nothing else they can make their card work on these new versions of Windows..
Now you have to think in broader terms, I am over simplifying it and this is not the only factors..
New hardware new advances being made every day, just don't make it cost effective and convincing enough for the consumer to keep buying that older card that was for Windows 98 for their Windows 7 machine, they need something better.
NVIDIA makes something better, other vendors work on that instead. ASUS not wanting to be left behind trying to make that older card work, comes out with newer versions of what NVIDIA is coming out with...
Let's say Xpertcolor was still working on the older card and can't afford to just dump it and work on a newer card because they aren't as big as ASUS has gotten... They are at the mercy of NVIDIA..
Hope that sorta makes some sense..
-CC
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Doesn't mean that Asus can't continue to use the older drivers if Nvidia doesn't come out with something new or if Asus doesn't want to move to another new reference design. It would be up to Asus to continue updates for tech that Nvidia has moved away from. This is usually true for tech that companies have just put out (on the market) even though it is considered old by tech standards.
The question that remains for us is will Notion Ink keep the comments they made about moving to newer OS versions. Only time will tell.
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Doesn't mean that Asus can't continue to use the older drivers if Nvidia doesn't come out with something new or if Asus doesn't want to move to another new reference design. It would be up to Asus to continue updates for tech that Nvidia has moved away from. This is usually true for tech that companies have just put out (on the market) even though it is considered old by tech standards.
The question that remains for us is will Notion Ink keep the comments they made about moving to newer OS versions. Only time will tell.
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Moar i.e.; There are new features in Windows 7 which NIVIDIA never made drivers for old card, so you don't have old drivers to use to make that new feature work...
There are advancements made taking advantage of faster, newer graphics, that ASUS can't update or work on unless NVIDIA updates and gives it to them..
So yeah ASUS could in theory keep working the old drivers and make that older card work on Windows 7, but can't take advantage of any of the new features, it's slow, slower than it was on Windows 98. All the games and programs made to take advantage of these new features in Windows 7, the old Windows 98 card just can't handle, so those new games and programs just won't work or if they do, really slow and not worth the hassle.. ASUS says screw that, Xpertcolor sighs...
Get it?
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adam may not get Honeycomb?
If true it looks like the adam will not be getting Honeycomb. it does not meet the screen resolution requirement. This normally changes after it runs the internet but Honeycomb is being treated differently
http://www.knowyourmobile.com/blog/...rements_confirmed_bad_news_for_htc_flyer.html
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Wrong: CYANOGENMOD 7 RELEASED, HARMONY SUPPORT, DIDN'T NOTICE ANY POSTS REFERING TO IT
Right: CM7 was released, with Harmony support.
Wrong: SHAME THAT NVIDIA ARE NOT SUPPORTING DEVELOPMENT FOR HARMONY CHIP FROM 2.2 ONWARDS IF REPORTS ARE TRUE
Right: It's a shame that nVidia isn't supporting Harmony developers from 2.2 onwards, if reports are true.
Mod Edit: All caps is annoying. Please don't use it. Thanks.
Yes if you actually look at the other CM7 threads you will see that the Vega changes have been added to the official tree now.....
and how can you go and say that we have cm7 (2.3) and then complain about the lack of nvidia support beyond 2.2 in the same post, completely contradicts itself....
but doesnt the tegra 2 already power a bunch of honeycomb tablets already?
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but doesnt the tegra 2 already power a bunch of honeycomb tablets already?
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there are two types of tegra 2 boards, Harmony which the vega has supported to android 2.2 and Ventana which the xoom has, supported beyond 2.2
Useless posts removed, OP reformatted. All caps is just annoying.
Also, thank you Lennyuk for your expertise. I actually wasn't aware of the two Tegra 2 revisions. What are the differences between Harmony and Ventana?
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Useless posts removed, OP reformatted. All caps is just annoying.
Also, thank you Lennyuk for your expertise. I actually wasn't aware of the two Tegra 2 revisions. What are the differences between Harmony and Ventana?
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as far as I know there is not actually a great deal of differences between the two, I think the ventana board has an extra GPU slot, that might be it.
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as far as I know there is not actually a great deal of differences between the two, I think the ventana board has an extra GPU slot, that might be it.
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Interesting. I wonder why that would be since these SOCs don't have modular components, with the GPU being directly integrated into the SOC itself... Weird.
UPDATE 12 APRIL 2011:
Sorry folks looks like I caused a bit of confusion. Since this is a developer forum my comments
were targeted at Tegra Honeycomb developers and for this we’d like to focus on Ventana. For shipping or production products, customers should contact the device makers directly for OS support plans. They are responsible for the OS shipping on their device.
In relation to our linux kernel git repository, NVIDIA will continue to provide full open-source support for all of our kernel components and will push more of that upstream over time.
Andrew Edelsten
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Interesting update something for developers to get teeth into sometime
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haha to right
UPDATE 13 APRIL 2011
A lot has been read into a very short post about a Tegra development kit. I'd like to clear up a few points.
First, nothing changes in what we’re delivering to the open source community or customers. NVIDIA will continue to post the Tegra kernel to kernel.org and publish our Android code to our public git servers. Additionally, we will continue to make our BSP (codecs, GPU driver etc) available to all our hardware partners. We will continue to do this and nothing about these processes has changed.
For our partners' Android devices, NVIDIA provides support until the hardware partner chooses to no longer support the device. So, for instance, NVIDIA will support the Xoom on all versions of Android Motorola requests until Motorola ceases to support the Xoom. The same goes for ViewSonic with the G-Tablet, Notion Ink with the Adam, Acer with the Iconia, LG with the Optimus 2X and so on.
In relation to my original reply, that was a response to a specific question about a Tegra 250 Development Kit. Given the confusion, we will work with owners of Tegra 250 Development Kits individually to determine their needs. The term "Harmony" is an internal codename for the Tegra 250 Development Kit. It is not a tablet reference design. Each shipping tablet is a custom design with varying hardware components and requires a custom OS image from the OEM who made the tablet.
Finally, while we cannot support or give out third party peripheral drivers or provide the Android 3.0 source before Google does, we do want to explore whether we can assist the open source ROM makers. We will be reaching out to them today.
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Caps from original nvidia forum post.
Stop being so anal anyway
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Can anyone translate this for me? Are we (Advent Vega users) getting the Tegra 2 update? And is this the one for Honeycomb?
From what I can tell, Yes. Or am I reading this wrong?
GaiusSensei said:
Can anyone translate this for me? Are we (Advent Vega users) getting the Tegra 2 update? And is this the one for Honeycomb?
From what I can tell, Yes. Or am I reading this wrong?
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There is no "Tegra 2" Update
You are getting confused.
Basically when the Tegra2 boards were given to manufacturers they had one of two designs
Harmony which the vega has
or Ventana which newer tablets have
These are not set in stone, they were just designs that then get built to specific needs by each manufacturer.
Nvidia are not releasing their own stock images beyond android 2.2 for Harmony however they have made it very clear that it is down to each manufacturer to do this, Nvidia will support the manufacturers for as long as they want to continue service on each device.
Advent do not yet know if the manufacturer (Shuttle) will give us a HC rom, however at least 2 other clones of the Vega have confirmed it, so it looks promising.
Point of View is supposed to deliver us a fresh HC ROM, I would be really thankful!
All I need is a rom w/o cellphone stuff, just tablet things to work always with optimizations and no slow downs.. That's why I bought a tablet with tegra... but after news like this, customers like me get pretty sad and will regret buying another device from them. Gz;
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Am I being wholly unrealistic on this or could we hope to see Windows 8 run on these sluggish XOOMs ?
It seems like the hardware is not massively different?
Possibility or impossibility?
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Would be nice, no idea what the requirements are for Win8 tho..
I can't believe no one else seems to be thinking about it ... couldn't find anything on the web suggesting they were though.
I just hope someone comes up with something to make me excited to own a xoom again. I was excited when I bought expecting to be on a wave of development but there has been only one small set of bug fixes/features that should have been on release version.
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s.t.s said:
I can't believe no one else seems to be thinking about it ... couldn't find anything on the web suggesting they were though.
I just hope someone comes up with something to make me excited to own a xoom again. I was excited when I bought expecting to be on a wave of development but there has been only one small set of bug fixes/features that should have been on release version.
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Tiamat is pretty darn fast.... then ADW ex makes it even faster.
Id be happy with a chroot of win8
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With the dev preview only being x86/64 at the moment we will have to wait for the ARM version to be released before anything can be done on the Xoom. I cant wait to see if there are any devs that can get it going.....a dual boot with ICS would be fantastic
I am sure it is faster when rooted and overclocked ... just haven't got round to doing it yet ... kind of resent having to do it to get a user experience that might be close to acceptable
I know that there is no arm preview yet but I believe the min spec is detailed ... are there any things we fall short of?
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guys, I'd hate to burst your bubbles, but there were around 4 posts about win 8 on the xoom and all of them came to the conclusion that it wouldn't work, or at least, very unlikely. Windows is closed source. Its not like Ubuntu or any other Linux distro that we can modify.
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s.t.s said:
I can't believe no one else seems to be thinking about it ... couldn't find anything on the web suggesting they were though.
I just hope someone comes up with something to make me excited to own a xoom again. I was excited when I bought expecting to be on a wave of development but there has been only one small set of bug fixes/features that should have been on release version.
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There was a bunch of windows 8 topics on xoom but not looking good. And development will get better overall on xoom when ics comes out because you have to remember, honeycomb source wasn't released and never will be. Ics will be open source though.
Android may soon do more than windows can. By the time WIN8 comes out in arm form android will be on key lime pie.
What really is needed is a full Linux version for the Xoom. Linux is already available for ARM CPUs. But what is needed is the kernel patch for the Xoom, and the hardware drivers.
Stop pining for windows, as there are already plenty of gadgets with it on it. I just purchased a Azpen X1 tablet. The 16GB drive is so small, that I ran out of space the first time that I ran the windows update!! I got a 32GB drive for it, and will install Ubuntu on it. I use Linux for everything, and found that windows is very over rated.
Not sure how Windows is "over rated" ... it seems everyone is out to say mac/ios/linux is better than it. If linux is so great why are you giving it double the storage space the windows install was offered ;-)
I know windows is closed source ... but the hardware appears to be very similar to other tablets that run windows, it would just be a case of suitable drivers?
ICS may improve things but it still doesn't feel like the direction android is headed in is where I hoped/expected in terms of offering tablet optimized/specific applications.
Windows 8 looks a lot more like the tablet os I would like to use ... I guess time will tell.
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s.t.s said:
If linux is so great why are you giving it double the storage space the windows install was offered ;-)
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At first I intended to give 16GB to each OS. But since widows barely fits on 16 GB, I decided against it.
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I know windows is closed source ... but the hardware appears to be very similar to other tablets that run windows, it would just be a case of suitable drivers?
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What other tablets like the Xoom run windows? Windows only runs on the Intel family of CPUs (and clones), while most tablets have an ARM CPU.
samsung has a dev tablet out that runs windows 8. they gave it out at some convention.
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samsung has a dev tablet out that runs windows 8. they gave it out at some convention.
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Yes and nobody is going to sit down and spend the time and write drivers for a closed source OS. Especially from scratch. Not to sound like a jerk, but if you're bored of your xoom, sell it and get a windows slate
kenfly said:
Yes and nobody is going to sit down and spend the time and write drivers for a closed source OS. Especially from scratch. Not to sound like a jerk, but if you're bored of your xoom, sell it and get a windows slate
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lol i never said i was tired of it, but windows 8 from what I played with it on the desktop is a more practical platform. Often times I'm using splashtop to access my desktop at home. You're mad.
also people write custom drivers for windows all the time. custom graphics card drivers, controller drivers, etc.
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lol i never said i was tired of it, but windows 8 from what I played with it on the desktop is a more practical platform. Often times I'm using splashtop to access my desktop at home. You're mad.
also people write custom drivers for windows all the time. custom graphics card drivers, controller drivers, etc.
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Look at it this way, most other hc tablets have a port of Ubuntu, which is open source, and we don't. If nobody wants Ubuntu enough to work with the open source os, who is going to work with closed source windows 8?
That is another thing that I just dont get ... it really feels like my best informed choice to get the XOOM was the wrong one. Moto are not pushing the development and user experience like I had hoped and the dev community hasn't been set alight either :-(
Still I hope we see some stuff soon. For now I will just have to try one of the few android roms
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Saw this new OS by Jolla called Sailfish, it is a Linux bases OS that shares the mer core that was used by MeeGo. So far from what I can tell it is going to be completely open source and will be able to run android apps. I just wanted to post this here to see if there would be anyone willing to try and get this onto the G2x. I don't know if it is possible but if it could be done I would be willing to do whatever to help it get done as I think this is a really cool OS with a different UI and real multitasking.
Any information on the OS can be found here: http://jolla.com
Hands on with the OS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?1&v=_c_BqnR_vAM
Reminds me of BB10. Is this Android based?
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Looking into it. I guess I would have to compile from source and go from there.
It looks like the graphic card driver issue might come up again. Hopefully not. I was told to start with this since I have a nexus one.
SDK is here by the way.
Possible ROM? Looks better then jb
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its actually the MeeGo OS, not android, but it looks so good.
Hi,
i'm very interested in this os. Saw the presentation at the live stream wednesday and follow the developement for a while. Here some things i found. Hope this helps.
It is meego/mer based.
The bridge to android is, that the Appstore of google is ported to sailfish os.
There will be a support for ST Ericsson devices. I'm wondering on which devices it will be ported.
The developers are making commercial to the manufacturers with the statement, that they are able to port the system to any device within three days. So there should be good possobiloties for dev's.
The source Code should be available right now, but i couldn't find it. There is a wiki site on sailfishos.org .
Hope there are some people that will try to port it.
Cheers!
I like what they are doing A LOT. I was organizing the #Slush12 conference and got to see their stuff very well. It's great, amazing IMO! We will also ahve a hack day with them on 1st of December, exploring the Sailfish SDK (check http://sailfishos.org ) so if anyone here wants to come to Finland........ http://mobiledevcamp.fi
Anyways, yeah, it's based on MeeGo/Mer and uses Nemo as the base for GUI - but the UI is completely different. There are also many other things that differ and will differ in the future from Mer base but at the moment there isn't too much in there. And since a device will be launched in Summer 2013 there is still a lot they need to work on. It's going to be open source and it will support a very broad range of CPU's. I might even be able to get it on my old HTC Magic....hmmmmm....gotta see about that. They had dozens of devices there at the event they had put it running on, including N950's, (I think an N9 too), some ST-Ericsson development devices, Raspberry Pi boards (!!!!!!) and then some others. Wow. They all seem to be tweakers & hackers like us
You should check the videos from http://youtube.com/jollaofficial and from http://jolla.com to get a better view on what's going to come. Or what is. '
'
And as a side note, we COULD get the OS running with the stuff from the SDK. No instructions or tutorials yet but skilled guys can ofc do it!:good:
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bardzogrozny said:
Hi,
i'm very interested in this os. Saw the presentation at the live stream wednesday and follow the developement for a while. Here some things i found. Hope this helps.
It is meego/mer based.
The bridge to android is, that the Appstore of google is ported to sailfish os.
There will be a support for ST Ericsson devices. I'm wondering on which devices it will be ported.
The developers are making commercial to the manufacturers with the statement, that they are able to port the system to any device within three days. So there should be good possobiloties for dev's.
The source Code should be available right now, but i couldn't find it. There is a wiki site on sailfishos.org .
Hope there are some people that will try to port it.
Cheers!
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Google's Play Store won't officially be ported for Sailfish OS, but instead I believe some people here at XDA will port the APK though there is no guarantee it works. Anyways, they will be run through Myriad's stuff.
The ST-Ericsson stuff means that they are supporting Jolla with dev boards and that their boards can and will be used on at least some Jolla devices.
More later!
I like all that is being said here and hope we could get some skilled developers on this, the SDK is out though I do not have the link for it right here. I will look around for it.
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Rafase282 said:
It looks like the graphic card driver issue might come up again. Hopefully not. I was told to start with this since I have a nexus one.
SDK is here by the way.
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If you read the info from the link there you will find the links and instructions for the sdk.
Still hopeful
If it is possible to somehow port this over to our g2xs then why hasn't it been done with meego? Obviously ICS isn't coming, but if this does make it here somehow, then i might just hold on to this phone . If it doesn't then it will be a choice between the nexus 4 and the jolla phone. My brother has the N9 with meego on it, and the sad part is that he can run and android emulator with ICS perfectly, while we're stuck with out roms . For those of you who have not had the opportunity to play around with a linux phone, i highly suggest you do. If you look at the N9 specs compared to the G2X specs it looks weaker, but don't be fooled. the meego system can do much more with less. Anyways sorry for rambling on.
If you don't feel like reading that then: Meego is great, Jolla is gonna be better (the guys that made meego, which nokia cancelled, banded together to create jolla and continue on).
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If it is possible to somehow port this over to our g2xs then why hasn't it been done with meego? Obviously ICS isn't coming, but if this does make it here somehow, then i might just hold on to this phone . If it doesn't then it will be a choice between the nexus 4 and the jolla phone. My brother has the N9 with meego on it, and the sad part is that he can run and android emulator with ICS perfectly, while we're stuck with out roms . For those of you who have not had the opportunity to play around with a linux phone, i highly suggest you do. If you look at the N9 specs compared to the G2X specs it looks weaker, but don't be fooled. the meego system can do much more with less. Anyways sorry for rambling on.
If you don't feel like reading that then: Meego is great, Jolla is gonna be better (the guys that made meego, which nokia cancelled, banded together to create jolla and continue on).
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What's funny is that is sort of what I think when it comes down to it.
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Hi guys,
it's been a while since I've been here, but I have been following Jolla and their new OS, Sailfish.
I own a Nokia N9, got it 2nd hand on Ebay, mint condition.
First thing I wanted to do was upgrade the software/firmware, but it'd already been done by the previous owner.
Version PR1.3 (MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan), apparently, this last update came with a 1000 improvements!
Having come from using a Nokia N8 with Symbian's latest Belle Refresh, I find the N9 a bit less intuitive.
No alphanumeric keypad with T9 support, just QWERTY keypads that do support T9 and of course Swype, which is a joke on such a small keypad.
There are a variety of free softwares available for the N9, some don't work at all or require tweaking to make them run.
Video playback is absolutely horrendous, whatever format is being played, drops frames like mad and goes out of sync quite rapidly (not so much with streamed videos).
Also, there is no direct access to the 'user storage', a 3rd party 'explorer' is required to access it, how ridiculous and too boot, there is also not 16GB of storage, it's nearer 9GB as the MeeGo OS and included 'non removable' bloatware hogs all the valuable storage!
Anyway, I could ramble on about loads of little niggles with the N9 and the 'wonderful' MeeGo O/S which could have been a winner with more development.
Here's hoping that Jolla can deliver a breath of fresh air for the N9 users out there, which will NOT be supported by Jolla, it will be a community effort that will bring Sailfish to the N9 and other handsets.
All I 'd like is a nice alphanumeric keypad with T9 support in a 4x3 format, thanks! 8)
All said and done, the N9 has a lot of appeal with its glossy curvy finish, but, MeeGo, well, it's gotta go and Sailfish needs deliver!, if not, it's back on Ebay for my N9!!
Regards
Mark
This os is designed for nokia's upcoming mobiles.
Khizar hayyat said:
This os is designed for nokia's upcoming mobiles.
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No it isn't.
Sailfish OS was made by people who got fired from Nokia and made their own company called Jolla. They are going to introduce their own phone running the Sailfish OS in few months.
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Can't say I am excited about this neither as a developer nor as a consumer/enthusiast.
The ones interested in ports can follow this blog, there are instructions for some devices and boards already(Cubox, Snowball, Galaxy Nexus, ...): sagestechblog dot blogspot dot fi
The instructions are for Nemo Mobile that is basically Sailfish core(Mer) with a UI done by the community, when all Jolla Sailfish bits are released the setup should not differ much.
I love the idea and enthusiasm of Jolla but I can't see it succeeding especially with full out Ubuntu on mobile now. Shame too, because I loved MeeGo, especially on a netbook.
wpetraska said:
I love the idea and enthusiasm of Jolla but I can't see it succeeding especially with full out Ubuntu on mobile now. Shame too, because I loved MeeGo, especially on a netbook.
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Well, Ubuntu is not out yet. And announcing Ubuntu OS do not miraculously make it be an interesting choice or available everywhere. And even after that, you still have to choose between two UI that are really different.
(Personnaly, my choice goes to Sailfish)
So I've Been a Big fan of Ubuntu for a while and I was thrilled to see that they will be releasing a phone OS sometime hopefully soon. Since I have the laptop dock I have always wanted to try to put full ubuntu on it. However that never fully worked on and had to be done on a blur based rom. I love the new JB rom I have on my phone as It performs well. But at the end of the video 21:00 Mark Shuttleworth, the Founder of Ubuntu stated that Ubuntu Phone runs on ARM based chips and Android Kenerals and Drivers.
I'm just wondering Who else would love to see this run and be compatible on the atrix AND the dock. If we still have a decent amount of developers I'm sure this is more than possible.
Heres the Link for the video:
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone
Just putting the idea out there, but if there are any developers capable of this I'd be more than happy to support.
phone spesification is enough for run and if canonical is behind this i think its possible
I was about to post this as a new thread but when I saw this thread I decided to post it in here.
Happy New Year!
According to the video below Ubuntu for Phones will be compatible with any Android designed-hardware. If I understood it correctly, Atrix last chance is with Ubuntu for Phones for sure.
http://www.androidcentral.com/canonical-announces-its-ubuntu-smartphone-os
I have already said that once before that one reason the OEMs lock the bootloader of their phones is to prevent other platforms to be installed to shorten the life of the devices.
Millions of capable Android devices have already been abandoned due to lack of software support which I blame Google directly to allow the implementation of Wild Wild West on Android platform. The only loser in Android world is and will always be the consumers. Ubuntu for Phones will be the left jab that Google didn't see coming. I personally looking forward to see what Ubuntu for Phones can bring this year.
Update: it seems Ubuntu for Phones will not be available until 2014
Seems BBC covered the story
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20891868
and in the article says that it will be released for the samsung galaxy nexus. porting from that to the Atrix may be hard, but it should be like CyanogenMod a little. So thats a little boost to say the least.
I also emailed canonical and showed interest in helping with the project especially with the lapdock capabilities, so ill let you guys know what I get back from them, and If its any useful Ill be sure to forward it to every developer possible.
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Yes it's possible for our Atrix, jus read that :
"Easier hardware enablement
We have teams based in Taipei, Shanghai, London, Beijing and Boston to engage with your engineering and factory operations – and their sole focus is to deliver a crisp Ubuntu experience on your device.
Ubuntu has already been adapted to run on chipsets using the ARM and Intel x86 architectures relevant for mobile devices, with the core system based around a typical Android Board Support Package (BSP). So chipset vendors and hardware manufacturers do not need to invest in or maintain new hardware support packages for Ubuntu on smartphones. In short, if you already make handsets that run Android, the work needed to adopt Ubuntu will be trivial."
So alright we don't MAKE handsets that runs android but we have one, we also have the kernel drivers no ? so with that it's like port a cyanogenmod ROM I think. My quote come from canonical web-site (sorry new member so I can"t post outside links ><) so it's a truth information
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So alright we don't MAKE handsets that runs android but we have one, we also have the kernel drivers no ? so with that it's like port a cyanogenmod ROM I think. My quote come from canonical web-site (sorry new member so I can"t post outside links ><) so it's a truth information
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Yep, we have Ubuntu drivers but we're not sure we will be able to use them. But indeed the project of having Ubuntu running as main OS on the Atrix is realistic as we have all the material (HW and SW) required for this, if our devs know how to use them, but I think a whole team would be required for a project this big. It's not just a port of Cyanogen, it's not about taking a kernel and some drivers and snap them with a more recent UI and newer apps. We only got a kernel and an X server, it's far enough but the thing is that this X server was published to run on dev platforms. But also know it can be used on an Atrix, but how to integrate it with a whole new platform ? It will require time mostly. I think. And devs. But we don't have many devs so we only have hope. But maybe the devs on XDA will look more at the Atrix and Webtop.
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Update: it seems Ubuntu for Phones will not be available until 2014
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Actually it's supposed to be available late 2013 - according to lifehacker....
http://lifehacker.com/5972559/the-ubuntu-mobile-os-introduced-today-coming-to-phones-in-2014
The Ubuntu Phones that ship with the OS will most likely be available in 2013 in the UK, and will clear american shores in Hopefully late 2013, but most likely will arrive around early 2014.
The OS itself will most likely clear for deployment sometime soon for the samsung galaxy nexus, as for a universal build I'm not sure If/when that will be available, so most likely we will have to see if one can be constructed for the atrix.
As far as the lack of developers, I fell that any and all developers that are still in possession of an operational atrix will want to test this, especially on a phone that isnt their daily driver and has capabilities of bringing back a strong webtop front.
absolutely possible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzc0uMXGFBY
i like the ubuntu webtop, its run smooth and fast :good:
I think the atrix should be able to run it. just not mine unless the new bootloader gets figured out
Well I really think that Ubuntu can run on the Atrix, because they share the same idea, which is killed by Google: The webtop.
We just plug the phone into a dock, connect it to a monitor and that's it. Besides, the original webtop is just a big browser without many supported applications.
Several webtop-mods have shown that it is possible to run a full Debian or Ubuntu Linux on the phone.
And having one OS for mutliple devices is the stratagy that Microsoft now tries with Windows 8 on Tablets. But other than Windows, Ubuntu really got the chance to do it right.
Possible to run, but...
Well, I'm sure, it won't be a real problem to run the Ubuntu phone OS on Atrix 4g, IMHO, I'm really suprised, they used Atrix 2 and his adventages in testing. It's but I'm sure, HW would not work on 100%. Everyone knows, what is a problem with HWA drivers fot ICS+ even on android. Fingerprint drivers will be problem too... the best roms are (at least in my opinion) GB ones. This is the "tax" we pay for extraordinary HW in Atrix 4G.
Another problem in optimalization is the date of release (futher in future...who knows, how many devs will stay..)
This OS already has its own section on xda and it hasn't even been released yet lol anyways u can share your thoughts on Ubuntu for phone here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2082789
Phone Slow? go HERE
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Like I said If I got an email back I would let you guys know and sure enough it came and here it is
Thank you very much for your interest towards Ubuntu on smartphones. We have received an incredible response and have been overwhelmed with the general positive feedback! Responses both from the general public and the industry have been far greater that we expected.
In order to make Ubuntu a truly fantastic smartphone experience we will be initially working with manufacturers who will build Ubuntu into their hardware. We anticipate market availability of Ubuntu on smartphones towards the end of 2013.
To reach this goal, and offer a great experience for future consumers, our first priority will be to respond to industry inquiries from manufacturers/OEMs, silicon partners, developers and mobile operators. If you are a potential industry partner, we’d like to learn more about you. Please register your interest through our web form: http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone/contact-us
If you are a mobile apps developer, and want to learn how you can help bring Ubuntu to the phone, you can also find more information on:
http://developer.ubuntu.com/gomobile
We are all excited about Ubuntu for phones, but it will take some time to get into the marketplace. If you leave us your email and country details, we will let you know when there is further news:
https://forms.canonical.com/manhattan/
Once again, thank you for your interest in Ubuntu!
Yours sincerely,
The Ubuntu for smartphones team at Canonical
Pretty much everything you could have read up on :/
Greetings to all on this New Year!!!(Almost late!)
Hello people.
Searching the past week about this topic, I found the "How to upload" Ubuntu for phones on Tegra Devices like our Atrix.
Here you could find some info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/TEGRA/AC100
This will help un too: http://ac100.grandou.net/nvflash#debian_ubuntu_package
https://developer.nvidia.com/linux-tegra
And here, the Ubuntu for phones. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/quantal/release/
They recommend the Lubuntu 12:10 because it supposedly run from the box. I did not try this yet until I have all the tools(software & knowledge) ready...
It could be nice to have to opportunity to flash it like any ROM, but, sometimes I like the "hard" way in order to learn and develop myself.
Well guys, BON APPETITE !!!!!
While it's possible from a technical standpoint, I just don't see the developer interest which is a shame really, since the device's only weakness is the lack of updates.
Dav0 said:
Hello people.
Searching the past week about this topic, I found the "How to upload" Ubuntu for phones on Tegra Devices like our Atrix.
Here you could find some info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/TEGRA/AC100
This will help un too: http://ac100.grandou.net/nvflash#debian_ubuntu_package
https://developer.nvidia.com/linux-tegra
And here, the Ubuntu for phones. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/quantal/release/
They recommend the Lubuntu 12:10 because it supposedly run from the box. I did not try this yet until I have all the tools(software & knowledge) ready...
It could be nice to have to opportunity to flash it like any ROM, but, sometimes I like the "hard" way in order to learn and develop myself.
Well guys, BON APPETITE !!!!!
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This option to install ubuntu is impossible. U would risk to delete/brick partitions or nands. We need a IMG file with the filestructure and flash it with the fastboot/CWM. I can mount ubuntu 11.04 but the problem is no UI loading. Only usable is the terminal.
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Hai_Duong said:
This option to install ubuntu is impossible. U would risk to delete/brick partitions or nands. We need a IMG file with the filestructure and flash it with the fastboot/CWM. I can mount ubuntu 11.04 but the problem is no UI loading. Only usable is the terminal.
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No is not impossible. You partition an SD card load it up with kernel and system and use a dual boot solution to boot into the kernel on SD card. Of course some minor changes needed on the kernel. But not impossible.
also porting cyanogenmod is not as simple as grabbing a few drivers and adding a few kernel bits. It is a monumental task of trial and error with hundreds of lines of code to patch and sometimes full libraries have to be re written. Shoot the radio layer on the atrix was a quick hack job on cm for atrix.
Porting Ubuntu is tho should be quite easy. And maybe could even one day live in that juicy 750mb web top partition.
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You'd probably have to have /home on the internal sdcard to use /osh for installing Ubuntu.
Funny that this is the third thread in the last few days talking about using stand-alone Ubuntu on the device.
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No is not impossible. You partition an SD card load it up with kernel and system and use a dual boot solution to boot into the kernel on SD card. Of course some minor changes needed on the kernel. But not impossible.
also porting cyanogenmod is not as simple as grabbing a few drivers and adding a few kernel bits. It is a monumental task of trial and error with hundreds of lines of code to patch and sometimes full libraries have to be re written. Shoot the radio layer on the atrix was a quick hack job on cm for atrix.
Porting Ubuntu is tho should be quite easy. And maybe could even one day live in that juicy 750mb web top partition.
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I mean like webtop in atrix just docking u phone and start Ubuntu version 12.04 and not 9.04 jaunty . And a small question: why does nobody can make it work? there are big changes to make it work I think. Dual boot is without a proof not working for me
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If you send me kfhd Roms I will test.there's only one,I know of that horrible cm10 Rom
I was wrong about the cm10 ROM ts beast.just gotta wait for cm10.1
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KindleFireGuy said:
If you send me kfhd I will test.there's only one,I know of that horrible cm10 Rom
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KindleFireGuy,
Thank you for the offer, we may take you up on this when we launch Ubuntu for the Kindle Fire HD and 2.
WOW thanks I will gladly test thanks
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KindleFireGuy said:
WOW thanks I will gladly test thanks
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KindleFireGuy,
We are a few weeks or two away, plenty of bugs to iron out before we are even Beta Ready.
I assume you mean a release for the kfhd 8.9?
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KindleFireGuy,
We are a few weeks or two away, plenty of bugs to iron out before we are even Beta Ready. I am very shocked that developers released the CM10 ROM, I feel it is way too Green to have anyone waste there time on the installation. We would never release anything to the public that can not even display the boot screen well, it gives CM10 a bad name - just my opinion.
We will let you know when we are ready - we are not trying to be the first, we are trying to have the best ROM available. If it is not as stable or MORE stable than the Kindle original ROM we will not release it to the public.
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I'm a bit surprised by your opinion honestly. The cm10 for the KFTT only has two bugs. One is pretty minor (the boot screen. Yes, I would prefer it to be correct but... more to follow). The second bug is lack of HD.. that one I see as a major bug. But for me my choices are- 1. Run the Amazon Rom and HOPE the notifications work in a timely manner BUT I can run Netflix. Or 2- run a Rom that allows me to get notifications on time (for me MUCH more important. I'm very surprised that the stock Amazon OS handles notifications so poorly since even my Windows 8 box does that right lol
Now, the cm10 roms for the other devices are barely functional so I would understand, but what Hashcode has accomplished here is pretty darn good. ESPECIALLY having TWRP..
I DO really look forward to trying the ubuntu Rom though..
Edit: as for the initial post here.. dude is asking about kfhd roms but is posting from his kf2? I THINK the cm10 build he is talking about is for the kfhd 7" NOT the kf2 rom
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Messed up on it.don't send me a hd I already have one I messed up on typing
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The Kindle Fire 2
I have a kindle fire 2 and am surprised that people cannot hack the bootloader on it yet. I say this because I have had all the Apple Ipad and Iphone and everyone has been able to hack them with no problem, although it took them awhile!
So I hope that someone is able to get the bootloader unlocked for the Kindle Fire 2, HD to enable the installation of custom roms. Personally I just want to take an image of the KF2 and put it on my KF1 (both uk versions!).
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mindmajick said:
I'm a bit surprised by your opinion honestly. The cm10 for the KFTT only has two bugs. One is pretty minor (the boot screen. Yes, I would prefer it to be correct but... more to follow). The second bug is lack of HD.. that one I see as a major bug. But for me my choices are- 1. Run the Amazon Rom and HOPE the notifications work in a timely manner BUT I can run Netflix. Or 2- run a Rom that allows me to get notifications on time (for me MUCH more important. I'm very surprised that the stock Amazon OS handles notifications so poorly since even my Windows 8 box does that right lol
Now, the cm10 roms for the other devices are barely functional so I would understand, but what Hashcode has accomplished here is pretty darn good. ESPECIALLY having TWRP..
I DO really look forward to trying the ubuntu Rom though..
Edit: as for the initial post here.. dude is asking about kfhd roms but is posting from his kf2? I THINK the cm10 build he is talking about is for the kfhd 7" NOT the kf2 rom
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mindmajick,
I think we are on two totally different pages. I am very well aware of Hashcodes work on the Kindle Fire 2 which is down right impressive. I have tested there work on the Kindle Fire 2 for the last week (almost 10 days now) and all we found was two minor issues and one major issue.
What I am talking about and I will be clear this time (sorry I was not clear in the post) is the Kindle Fire HD 7", the one that was released about 7 months ago and has software revisions of 7.2.x - we did test 1 version as well as compiling our own AOSP, CM10 and AOKP. The latter was a complete failure but it was not due to the Kernel's fault, it was due to the know issues around compiling Kernels around the Kindle Fire HD 7" plus there are limited resources available on the Kindle HD 7" and Custom ROM's.
Anyways, the Kindle Fire HD 7" and 8.9" are exciting platforms to builds around, we have been on the phone and emailing TI almost daily (working to get the proper drivers built into the Kernel's). Thank God we have the support of Ubuntu, otherwise this path would be even more difficult.
The idea around Ubuntu is very different than CM10 and the rest. The idea with Ubuntu is to completely replace the desktop computer, so by day, your phone go with you and at night you dock the phone. The phone via the dock, is connected to an external Printer, Monitor, Keyboard and Mouse. The Ubuntu Phone becomes your home PC. No need for separate ISP, no need for another PC, no need to sync you work. The big question, what about the Google Play Store Apps, no problem. Ubuntu supports Android Apps natively as well as supports the entire array of Ubuntu apps already available (most are free). Release timeline? Hard to say, if it was our choise we would release a copy for the Kindle today but we are under tight constrains with Canonical. They tell us when it is OK to release the software.
More to come........................
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mindmajick,
I think we are on two totally different pages. I am very well aware of Hashcodes work on the Kindle Fire 2 which is down right impressive. I have tested there work on the Kindle Fire 2 for the last week (almost 10 days now) and all we found was two minor issues and one major issue.
What I am talking about and I will be clear this time (sorry I was not clear in the post) is the Kindle Fire HD 7", the one that was released about 7 months ago and has software revisions of 7.2.x - we did test 1 version as well as compiling our own AOSP, CM10 and AOKP. The latter was a complete failure but it was not due to the Kernel's fault, it was due to the know issues around compiling Kernels around the Kindle Fire HD 7" plus there are limited resources available on the Kindle HD 7" and Custom ROM's.
Anyways, the Kindle Fire HD 7" and 8.9" are exciting platforms to builds around, we have been on the phone and emailing TI almost daily (working to get the proper drivers built into the Kernel's). Thank God we have the support of Ubuntu, otherwise this path would be even more difficult.
The idea around Ubuntu is very different than CM10 and the rest. The idea with Ubuntu is to completely replace the desktop computer, so by day, your phone go with you and at night you dock the phone. The phone via the dock, is connected to an external Printer, Monitor, Keyboard and Mouse. The Ubuntu Phone becomes your home PC. No need for separate ISP, no need for another PC, no need to sync you work. The big question, what about the Google Play Store Apps, no problem. Ubuntu supports Android Apps natively as well as supports the entire array of Ubuntu apps already available (most are free). Release timeline? Hard to say, if it was our choise we would release a copy for the Kindle today but we are under tight constrains with Canonical. They tell us when it is OK to release the software.
More to come........................
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Yup. I guess I misunderstood.
I hope to see Ubuntu on the kf2 as well
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mindmajick said:
Yup. I guess I misunderstood.
I hope to see Ubuntu on the kf2 as well
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mindmajick,
No worries mindmajick, this happens, I catch myself doing it from time to time. Yes, we will have Ubuntu for all Kindles. Again, timeline is a bit unknown even though we could post a viable ROM for the Kindle Fire 2. we will post updates as progress is made on this topic. Have a great week!
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mindmajick,
No worries mindmajick, this happens, I catch myself doing it from time to time. Yes, we will have Ubuntu for all Kindles. Again, timeline is a bit unknown even though we could post a viable ROM for the Kindle Fire 2. we will post updates as progress is made on this topic. Have a great week!
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why dont post an alpha ubuntu version?
persano said:
why dont post an alpha ubuntu version?
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persano,
The Ubuntu ROM for Android is Stable on our Kindle, we could launch a production copy today, the problem is the contract that we sign with Ubuntu Canonical. This contract does not allow us to release any copies of Ubuntu for Android until Canonical is ready to launch Ubuntu for Android.
So we are just staying busy writing new Apps for Ubuntu rather than focus our efforts on rushing the Production version. Do not get me wrong, we spend plenty of time each week on the ROM, streamlining it and making it faster.
It would not be a good idea to release the ROM today anyway since this ROM is intended to replace the desktop computer. Having said this, we are missing a Key part - a dock for the Kindle to add an external Monitor, Keyboard, Mouse, and Printer. When the manufactures begin to release docks, we will release the ROM. Do not worry, if Amazon does not release a dock, we will still release the ROM, it may be a few months or two away, that is all.
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persano,
The Ubuntu ROM for Android is Stable on our Kindle, we could launch a production copy today, the problem is the contract that we sign with Ubuntu Canonical. This contract does not allow us to release any copies of Ubuntu for Android until Canonical is ready to launch Ubuntu for Android.
So we are just staying busy writing new Apps for Ubuntu rather than focus our efforts on rushing the Production version. Do not get me wrong, we spend plenty of time each week on the ROM, streamlining it and making it faster.
It would not be a good idea to release the ROM today anyway since this ROM is intended to replace the desktop computer. Having said this, we are missing a Key part - a dock for the Kindle to add an external Monitor, Keyboard, Mouse, and Printer. When the manufactures begin to release docks, we will release the ROM. Do not worry, if Amazon does not release a dock, we will still release the ROM, it may be a few months or two away, that is all.
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i understand
Ubuntu for Android on Kindle Fire HD
persano said:
i understand
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persano,
Once they allow us to release copies to employees I will get you a copy to test.
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persano,
Once they allow us to release copies to employees I will get you a copy to test.
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Really look forward to seeing this, Keep me in mind if you decide to leak a few copies for testing I would be more then happy to help out. Always loved Ubuntu on the desktop/
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KindleFireGuy,
We are a few weeks or two away, plenty of bugs to iron out before we are even Beta Ready. I am very shocked that developers released the CM10 ROM, I feel it is way too Green to have anyone waste there time on the installation. We would never release anything to the public that can not even display the boot screen well, it gives CM10 a bad name - just my opinion.
We will let you know when we are ready - we are not trying to be the first, we are trying to have the best ROM available. If it is not as stable or MORE stable than the Kindle original ROM we will not release it to the public.
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This is kind of a poor attempt at a troll don't you think?
1. No where in ReverendKJr's thread does he claim to be an expert coder who is releasing a fully usable ROM. Everything is very clear in the OP that he is showcasing some of the work VeryGreen did on the KFHD8.9 and trying "learn as he goes" and port some of that over to the KFHD7.
You: A dev who hasn't posted anything in the "dev" section yet, trying to belittle someone who has; is like a 5 year old scribbling over their neighbor's painting so that everyone will look at theirs instead.
2. Not many users are looking for an Ubuntu Desktop ROM on their KFHD. I can safely speak for the majority of this community: they're waiting for AOSP Android in some fully functional form. Tho, if you are hinting that you have a working copy of unreleased Ubuntu Phone, I'm sure there will be some interest in that as well.
3. You mention being on the phone with TI daily. But let me ask you ... why? There are publicly available resources to gather almost any information you need on TI products. And about the ONLY thing that's really made by Texas Instruments in the Kindle Fire HD's is the CPU and the battery gauge. Everything else about the device is some other manufacturer. And to prove it here's a QUICK breakdown of the KFHD8.9 of which the 7" is very similar:
*CPU: TI OMAP4470 @ 1.5Ghz
InvenSense MPU6050 w/ Gyroscope, Accelerometer and Compass (Aichi Steel ami306)
Light Sensor: Maxim MAX44007
*Battery Gauge: TI BQ27541
Charger: Summit SMB347
Wifi: Broadcom 4330 wlan
Audio: Wolfson Micro’s WM8962E
Touchscreen: Cypress TrueTouch
LCD: NT71391 Hydis 1920x1200 WUGA DSI
Here are random sources off the top of my head which would serve you better than a phone call to a now very understaffed mobile/smart phone department:
http://www.omapzoom.com
http://dev.omapzoom.com
http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
https://gforge.ti.com/gf/
4. I'm curious how you plan on solving the M3/ducati issues presented by running in Ubuntu. This would be the 2x sub processors normally designed to run HD codecs and camera. In Android, they are coded with a real time OS which communicates with the OMX integration layer (see: hardware/ti/omap4xxx/domx in Android source for more info). In Ubuntu, they don't use OMX, instead opting for g-streamer and other solutions. The ducati presented by Amazon uses OMX. Not G-Streamer. So unless you're planning on software decoders (less than desirable), this is going to be an issue.
So I'm going to call your bluff: Show me yours and I'll show you mine. Feel free to PM me.
Mine:
I have CM10.1 booting on the KFHD8.9. I'm re-writing the userspace audio driver from scratch (not done) and the HD codecs/camera functions need tweaks. Working Display, Wifi, BT, Sensors, etc. It's running a 3.0.50 kernel based on TI's latest OMAP4 kernel release. It's fully enhanced with blitsville drivers and brand new PowerVR graphics drivers released only a few days ago.
Sources:
https://github.com/KFire-Android/android_local_manifest
Specically, kernel: https://github.com/KFire-Android/kernel_omap_bowser-common
(You may note that I've left a place holder device for the KFHD7 which is pre-set up with as much information as I have currently.)
I have publicly admitted that I'm overbooked with devices and wasn't planning on supporting the KFHD7.. BUT that doesn't stop another dev from looking at my work on the KFHD8.9 and porting it to the KFHD7.
In closing:
1. Don't insult devs who are looking to help out in a community that is lacking. Everyone needs to start somewhere and who knows what may come of it.
2. Development isn't "dead" on the KFHD7. It's just in a deep state of slumber.
Hashcode said:
This is kind of a poor attempt at a troll don't you think?
1. No where in ReverendKJr's thread does he claim to be an expert coder who is releasing a fully usable ROM. Everything is very clear in the OP that he is showcasing some of the work VeryGreen did on the KFHD8.9 and trying "learn as he goes" and port some of that over to the KFHD7.
You: A dev who hasn't posted anything in the "dev" section yet, trying to belittle someone who has; is like a 5 year old scribbling over their neighbor's painting so that everyone will look at theirs instead.
2. Not many users are looking for an Ubuntu Desktop ROM on their KFHD. I can safely speak for the majority of this community: they're waiting for AOSP Android in some fully functional form. Tho, if you are hinting that you have a working copy of unreleased Ubuntu Phone, I'm sure there will be some interest in that as well.
3. You mention being on the phone with TI daily. But let me ask you ... why? There are publicly available resources to gather almost any information you need on TI products. And about the ONLY thing that's really made by Texas Instruments in the Kindle Fire HD's is the CPU and the battery gauge. Everything else about the device is some other manufacturer. And to prove it here's a QUICK breakdown of the KFHD8.9 of which the 7" is very similar:
*CPU: TI OMAP4470 @ 1.5Ghz
InvenSense MPU6050 w/ Gyroscope, Accelerometer and Compass (Aichi Steel ami306)
Light Sensor: Maxim MAX44007
*Battery Gauge: TI BQ27541
Charger: Summit SMB347
Wifi: Broadcom 4330 wlan
Audio: Wolfson Micro’s WM8962E
Touchscreen: Cypress TrueTouch
LCD: NT71391 Hydis 1920x1200 WUGA DSI
Here are random sources off the top of my head which would serve you better than a phone call to a now very understaffed mobile/smart phone department:
http://www.omapzoom.com
http://dev.omapzoom.com
http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
https://gforge.ti.com/gf/
4. I'm curious how you plan on solving the M3/ducati issues presented by running in Ubuntu. This would be the 2x sub processors normally designed to run HD codecs and camera. In Android, they are coded with a real time OS which communicates with the OMX integration layer (see: hardware/ti/omap4xxx/domx in Android source for more info). In Ubuntu, they don't use OMX, instead opting for g-streamer and other solutions. The ducati presented by Amazon uses OMX. Not G-Streamer. So unless you're planning on software decoders (less than desirable), this is going to be an issue.
So I'm going to call your bluff: Show me yours and I'll show you mine. Feel free to PM me.
Mine:
I have CM10.1 booting on the KFHD8.9. I'm re-writing the userspace audio driver from scratch (not done) and the HD codecs/camera functions need tweaks. Working Display, Wifi, BT, Sensors, etc. It's running a 3.0.50 kernel based on TI's latest OMAP4 kernel release. It's fully enhanced with blitsville drivers and brand new PowerVR graphics drivers released only a few days ago.
Sources:
https://github.com/KFire-Android/android_local_manifest
Specically, kernel: https://github.com/KFire-Android/kernel_omap_bowser-common
(You may note that I've left a place holder device for the KFHD7 which is pre-set up with as much information as I have currently.)
I have publicly admitted that I'm overbooked with devices and wasn't planning on supporting the KFHD7.. BUT that doesn't stop another dev from looking at my work on the KFHD8.9 and porting it to the KFHD7.
In closing:
1. Don't insult devs who are looking to help out in a community that is lacking. Everyone needs to start somewhere and who knows what may come of it.
2. Development isn't "dead" on the KFHD7. It's just in a deep state of slumber.
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please, tell us what you did so we can do it in the kindle fire 7"
and yeah, i want android, not ubuntu, ubuntu is beautiful, but i tweak for android, i love android!
give me a clean 8.9 build.prop from amazon, so i can add this device to my tweaks
Hashcode,
We have been in business since 1982 and have nothing to prove to anyone, certainly not you - our business speaks for itself. I respect you work and although I do not agree with all your decisions I still respect you as a developer and believe you are quite a genius - we have spoken in such a fashion in quite a few posts.
This is the beauty of this community, we can all have different ideas, different platforms and different OS's - all meet together as developers to share and be part of an overall goal to improve the end users experience. We never said ours was the best. We can have an open dialogue and not always agree but in the end we can respect on another.
This is a ridiculous response and I will not respond or waste any more time on it other than this one response.
We may not even be allowed to post the ROM in the end since Canonical Ubuntu has not made a final decision on it's marketing strategy. In the end, we may only be allowed to post apps for Canonical, everything is in the air at the moment. This just fine with us since we resell there other products and the Kindle Development is about 1% of our total monthly business.
We specialize in Anti-Spam, have you heard of Postini? We developed an anti-spam engine back in 2002 that was eventually bought by Postini, which was eventually sold to Google. Anyway, this too is a small part of my total company revenue. So I have done my share of development work - this is just a hobby to us, not a primary means of income. As a matter of fact, we decline to charge most customers that send there Kindle back to us for data recovery. This is one of the many gifts we offer to people in the XDA Community.
Rather than get upset, why don't YOU apply to be a developer for Canonical and bring on competition within the Ubuntu world? We would love to have you aboard, if you meet the minimum business requirements.
Just like yourself, we are here to share our abilities with the XDA Community. One thing we refuse to do is dialogue with someone who has posted an aggressive response like you have done. We have done nothing but spoken highly of your work, we have mentioned your name in several posts so we really do not deserve this kind of garbage.
This would have been far better received in a Private message or call to our number which is posted in every response. I am sure we pressed buttons with you or have somehow become a threat which I really do not understand? There is plenty of room for everyone here in XDA and I love competition - this is how I came up with my name, I am sponsored by Prokennex - Michael Martinez is a good friend of mine.
Let's just see what happens over the next few months, I believe of letting action speak, not words. This site is NOT our primary means of income, we own a large data center and manage over 650 customers - we are an IT Company that manages companies like: Kaiser Permanente in Oakland, Chevron Corp in Dublin CA, Wells Fargo Bank in Oakland, Alcan Plastic Packaging in Newark, VTA Transit in Santa Clara and many more.
Between my company and Racquet Ball, I have absolutely no free time!
We are honored to be a part of the XDA Community allowing us to share our expertise and experience, this is our goal here in XDA Developers, not to impress you or anyone else.
Finally, we joined Ubuntu quite a few years ago reselling there desktop and server platform as a Windows replacement. When they discussed releasing the Ubuntu for Phones and Ubuntu for Android, the idea fit our vertical market perfectly so we joined this solution at the 2013 CES show. The idea is to replace the desktop workstation, which will happen since phones & tablets have plenty of power to perform such a task - I am just surprised it took this long to come to reality.
God Bless.