Everyone see the stories reporting that the funny-looking Stealth is now the "Droid Stealth" that will go on pre-sale Thursday (which fits with the LTE cap rumor)? It's got Samsung's next-gen screen, but otherwise looks like our phone (CDMA Hummingbird) with better cameras and LTE.
Data plan issues aside, I'm not sure if this is good or bad for us. The new phone Droid-branded, so Verizon probably won't be happy letting it be centuries behind on updates (the i500 is the last and only SGS without official Froyo), but the hardware differences may make the software of limited value to the Fascinate. Plus it may effectively EOL our device. On the other hand, the Vibrant devs whipped up a working ROM from *their* 4G-variant-with-extra-camera pretty easily.
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If nothing else, a lot of people are going to get free upgrades if froyo isn't out before the Stealth (Droid Charge) is released.
imnuts said:
If nothing else, a lot of people are going to get free upgrades if froyo isn't out before the Stealth (Droid Charge) is released.
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what makes you sure
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If nothing else, a lot of people are going to get free upgrades if froyo isn't out before the Stealth (Droid Charge) is released.
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Ja. Good luck trying to get even 5 free upgrades from SF to Stealth out of Verizon....
Thats pretty much akin to getting free iPhones out of Apple.
The Charge coming out will essentially EOL our phone. Why keep a nearly identical model around that no one will want? What's the difference between these? The Fascinate has a slightly lower quality screen, looks different, and isn't 4g. How do you sell that without a huge difference in price?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy3dMboSvDE
Heres a link to a demo of the phone. Listen at 0:28. These guys know whats up.
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The Charge coming out will essentially EOL our phone. Why keep a nearly identical model around that no one will want? What's the difference between these? The Fascinate has a slightly lower quality screen, looks different, and isn't 4g. How do you sell that without a huge difference in price?
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Well, the Fascinate is smaller (more girl-sized) and doesn't look like it mated with a particularly ugly Blackberry. Could keep it around as the lower-end option.
It'll probably be phased out, though, and with the rumor of the Infuse dropping *next week* we could have 3 of the first 4 US SGS models superseded without a single dual-core release. These will be the first SAMOLED+ screens, though, and that's definitely something.
The question is, what's the i520? And what about the i600?
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The Charge coming out will essentially EOL our phone. Why keep a nearly identical model around that no one will want? What's the difference between these? The Fascinate has a slightly lower quality screen, looks different, and isn't 4g. How do you sell that without a huge difference in price?
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Not necessarily. The Fascinate is only 6 months old, and don't forget 4G is not nearly close to being everywhere. A LOT of people (like me) won't have it until 2013. So they are keeping several 3G only models around.
At first, before I saw the specs, I immediately wanted this. Now I don't. It's not even dual core. It's still only 1Ghz. And if its lucky, it'll have 1gb of RAM, but it won't. So I PASS!
well this gives us hope.
http://androidandme.com/2011/03/pho..._campaign=Feed:+androidandme+(Android+and+Me)
my 2 options:
1) convince the wife to change to sprint for the evo 3d
2) wait for an lte (hopefully) sgs2 on vzw this summer despite my samsung complaints
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well this gives us hope.
http://androidandme.com/2011/03/pho..._campaign=Feed:+androidandme+(Android+and+Me)
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Pretty certain that doesn't mean OUR Fascinate, there is another one you know.
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2) wait for an lte (hopefully) sgs2 on vzw this summer despite my samsung complaints
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SGS2 FTW!!
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SGS2 FTW!!
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i think if me, you, and a few others end up chanting #icecreamgate on twitter this fall with our sgs2, we should be clinically examined
As long as they give me an early upgrade I'm good.
I'm tired of always getting phones that arent supported by Verizon or the manufacture.
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As long as they give me an early upgrade I'm good.
I'm tired of always getting phones that arent supported by Verizon or the manufacture.
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Why would they give an early upgrade? Also didn't they suspend new upgrades as of last January?
The Fascinated will be sunsetted if VZW feels like it will cannibalize sales of a newer model.
The life cycle on phones is just brutal.
It just sucks that somehow the Fasc just fell into a dead zone of space-time between models.
Older models 'get' 2.2, newer models 'come' with 2.2.
Why can't I read a thread without someone crying about a new phone not having a 16 core processor with a TERABYTE OF RAMM!!M!M!!!1!111oneone?
It's a phone, not a computer.
Anyway, I kinda like it..but from Samsung's track record, it won't ever see an update...so no more Samsung for this guy.
Got a better look at it..wow...as thick as it is you'd think it had a keyboard..Good thing it ships with Froyo..won't ever see a Gingerbread update until two new versions of Android come out.
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The only thing keeping me on Verizon at this point is the fact that I get a discount through my employer. Were Sprint to give me that same discount, they'd have a new customer in a heartbeat. Until then, I'm sticking with Samsung (the only company at this point who seems to be uninterested in locking their bootloaders). I'm not really worried about timely updates, since any phone I buy on any carrier is getting a custom ROM as soon as one is released for it. I lust after the Charge, but only because it's got a bigger screen than my Fascinate. Nothing else about it is impressive, save for the 4G which I'm "meh" on. I'm sure Samsung will have something much nicer out by the time my upgrade is available in June, otherwise I might start looking for a (hopefully not locked down) HTC phone.
All I'll saying is we better get a sgs 2 LTE variant this summer!
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Anyone jumping on one of these phones when they come out? I am thinking about getting the thunderbolt seeing as its all based off the dinc and they have has some success modding that.
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Anyone jumping on one of these phones when they come out? I am thinking about getting the thunderbolt seeing as its all based off the dinc and they have has some success modding that.
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I personally do not find anything on the next gen phones ( at least the ones displayed at CES ) that I would trade my fascinate in for. I am going to wait for a bit.
4G just isn't in my area yet. I am between 2 markets.
Where I live I dont get 4g but I travel a lot and some of the places I go have 4g. I am interested in the thunderbolt because it has the large screen and its not motorola.
I have 4g coverage in my area, work and home. But going to hold onto the Fascinate until something peaks my interest. Seems like all the 4g phones have 4.3" screens. Seems kinda big to me...
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I am interested to see how the orion and tegra 2 do. I already have heard many say there is a large battery drain with the tegra 2.
Upon further digging the snapdragon isnt the same as the dinc, its a next gen one, still not dual core though, heres a comparison against the samsung for 3d
http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010...htc-desire-hd-vs-samsung-galaxy-s/#more-17339
Considering 4G won't be in my area until end of year, I'll start looking then.
However, my next phone will have to have these conditions:
1. Dual Core
2. Rear Camera of 8MB or >
3. Front Camera of 2MB or >
4. Android 2.4 or >
5. USB connection
6. SD card support
7. Ability to become PC. i.e. Moto's Atrix laptop doc or similar doc that would allow connection to full screen/keyboard (or phone would be kb/mouse).
I think these requirements are easily doable by end of the year. Plus, I don't think battery is going to be very much affected as some think by dual core. Most phones now use a 1500mh battery whereas the notes for dual cores so far are 2000mh batteries. So, I'm betting life is roughly the same.
Though, by next year we need to see a newer technology for portable devices.
Yeah, I really like the Atrix, its got all the stuff, and 1gb of ram. For some reason no one else is making that much ram on the phone. I just dont like how moto locks their phones, I get 2 upgrades a year since I have two phones so I am planning, right now, on getting the thunderbolt and then something around september.
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I'm going to wait for the hardware to mature first.
1) 4G is not available in my area.
2) Battery life? Everyone is focused on 4G and dual-core... nobody has said a peep about battery life.
3) I'm in love with the Samsung Fascinate hardware. Going to an LG or HTC phone feels like a step backwards.
4) Hackability. I want to only buy phones with lots of custom ROM support, and will wait to see how the modding / ROM scene develops first.
5) I don't buy new phones. I wait at least 2 months, then buy used devices. I can use the phone for several months, then sell the phone as used for about the same price I paid. Doing this allows me to frequently switch devices, so I can switch hardware almost at-will at no cost to me.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AnCYASmJQAUhdGlsbDVVZFpyNnRQWTF2RE9IZUxvN3c&hl=en
Theres a full comparison of known stuff at this time, battery life is mentioned in there
I've just come to the conclusion that I am getting an HTC when my time is up. I really love this phone but the lack of updates from Samsung is just too much. This is my 4th samsung. I had the i760, the omnia 1 and 2 and now the Fascinate. I will not throw any more money to them.
just my 2 cents.
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what the hell is fido? and where u get it?
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I will not throw any more money to [Samsung]
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Yeah, the lack of post-launch updates is incredibly frustrating.
But they just make such sweet hardware... SUCH sweet hardware.
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what the hell is fido? and where u get it?
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Good question and I don't know ... it was bestowed upon me!
jv
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Yeah, the lack of post-launch updates is incredibly frustrating.
But they just make such sweet hardware... SUCH sweet hardware.
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I honestly love the phone. Not that I wanna be a poser froyo boy but I think we deserve to have the latest and greatest. This phone has such potential but when you see what's coming out as far as in OS improvements and your not sure if or when it is going to be put on your phone I can't stand it. Oh well. I have one more year for a new every two so I'll just enjoy this pohone until I can get a 4G phone.
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Although I'm fairly sure 4g is available in my area (I live in Chicago), I'm totally content with my Fascinate at the moment. I'm planning on waiting a while for the next wave of 4g phones before I consider making the switch.
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Although I'm fairly sure 4g is available in my area (I live in Chicago), I'm totally content with my Fascinate at the moment. I'm planning on waiting a while for the next wave of 4g phones before I consider making the switch.
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Yeah, going to have to be sure the next phone is going to last me a few years seeing as Verizon is getting rid of it's new every two program. I wonder what they are going to replace it with, "Get Screwed every two"?
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big thing I am looking at with the thunderbolt is the xda community and mods possible with it, all htc phones have had great support from xda. Modding is my #1 reason for getting a phone, I thought the fascinate would have a great community since it was all unlocked and open sourced, but that fell short. Not slamming JT or Dirrk, geeknik...etc, they have all done outstanding work, but I thought it was going to be like the original droid crazy, w/ custom roms left and right. I know the HTCs pretty much carry that and I am guessing they will be able to port anything over. My 2nd phone down the road this year will be based on HW, something crazy again, I dont like having a slow phone.
My brother-in-law Facebook'ed a message earlier this morning.
He is a die-hard Apple fanboy, has been waiting for a Verizon iPhone for the past 3 years, and just got his Verizon iPhone 4 yesterday. 2 months ago, I convinced him to buy an Android phone, and taught him how to root it and play with custom ROMs.
"Not impressed with the iPhone, hate the stock OS. Wish I could put a custom ROM on it."
That makes me happy.
Just thought I would pass this along. So, does this mean the Epic will see it 3 months later like Froyo?
http://www.slashgear.com/gingerbread-for-galaxy-s-in-march-confirms-samsung-25136186
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Looks like it's for real. It just leaked out for the SGS i9000 a couple of days ago.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/28/android-2-3-2-gingerbread-leaks-for-samsung-galaxy-s
As I've said in previous threads, if Gingerbread actually comes out for the Epic officially, I'll be completely satisfied and beyond happy with Samsung (I actually like TouchWiz, and would really like some of the performance enhancements Gingerbread brings). I'll even start recommending their phones again and forgive the whole Froyo debacle. Let's keep our fingers crossed!
PS: They didn't list a source, where and when did Samsung officially say this?
Edit: Silly me, I'm on my phone so I only saw the mobile page which doesn't link the source, looks like it was Samsung Germany - so I guess we'll see!
http://www.slashgear.com/gingerbread-for-galaxy-s-in-march-confirms-samsung-25136186/
If thats true..... then we should actually have a working version by... oh I don't know.. the end of summer
Based strictly on track record!
Hopefully Sprint will be releasing new devices before then.
This way, if Gingerbread sucks ass like EB13, I'l get rid of this damn phone and get something else.
Here's to hoping though, not trying to be a hater, just sayin'
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Hopefully Sprint will be releasing new devices before then.
This way, if Gingerbread sucks ass like EB13, I'l get rid of this damn phone and get something else.
Here's to hoping though, not trying to be a hater, just sayin'
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Thread should be closed now as no one else can put it better than this. ;-)
March for Germany means maybe by December for the good ol USA market. They keep trying to get all the bugs out before they hit their biggest market. Well at least that's what they say, but I think they always manage to screw it up with all the time they got...something about idle hands?
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Hopefully Sprint will be releasing new devices before then.
This way, if Gingerbread sucks ass like EB13, I'l get rid of this damn phone and get something else.
Here's to hoping though, not trying to be a hater, just sayin'
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Mines is working great. Much more stable and faster than d18 and ak28(?). Sorry I already forgot the build of the recent rom.
We will not see 2.3 for the epic. There I said it. There is no point in even keeping your hopes up, its clear samsung does not care about doing updates but only selling units. Nor do they have developers that can even code a update without being pulled days after release.
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Yeah wasn't it a post by Samsung UK that told us by end of 2010 for Froyo??? Whatever... once the few kinks are out on EB13 (it would be nice if sprintsung could fix it for the masses too) I will be content. I dont really see why they would, with the SGS2 coming out, I mean I guess if theyre already working on it, but its like we got the Beta of the hardware, with the supposed HDMI out on SGS2, etc... What I have learned, is not to NOT buy samsung, they make damn good hardware... its just not to jump the early adopter bandwagon unless they can put out a finished product at launch. Even if they are a few months behind, the others are just catching up hardware wise by then... theyre just catching up to the Epic with the spring phones coming out now Seriously, coming from my days in the high end home theater/distributed audio world, it would seem sammy operates their flagship phones like professional install A/V gear... expensive, and if youre an early adopter, youre paying for bragging rights, not a finished product... youre on the cutting edge. Its like buying a 3d TV right now... IF it gets beyond gimmick, you have what, a year or two before the standards are all set, and then your TV doesnt meet the standards... *cough HDCP* *cough HD-DVD*..... its a rich mans game...
HOWEVER: the dual core phones look to be so much of an advancement of their own, that they may sell just fine without neutering the SGS, etc... so they may just do it... it would be good to get every phone up to a certain point so that theres only a few versions of android out, keep it simple, and shut Jobs up... fragmentation... at least our radios work!
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Yeah wasn't it a post by Samsung UK that told us by end of 2010 for Froyo??? Whatever... once the few kinks are out on EB13 (it would be nice if sprintsung could fix it for the masses too) I will be content. I dont really see why they would, with the SGS2 coming out, I mean I guess if theyre already working on it, but its like we got the Beta of the hardware, with the supposed HDMI out on SGS2, etc... What I have learned, is not to NOT buy samsung, they make damn good hardware... its just not to jump the early adopter bandwagon unless they can put out a finished product at launch. Even if they are a few months behind, the others are just catching up hardware wise by then... theyre just catching up to the Epic with the spring phones coming out now Seriously, coming from my days in the high end home theater/distributed audio world, it would seem sammy operates their flagship phones like professional install A/V gear... expensive, and if youre an early adopter, youre paying for bragging rights, not a finished product... youre on the cutting edge. Its like buying a 3d TV right now... IF it gets beyond gimmick, you have what, a year or two before the standards are all set, and then your TV doesnt meet the standards... *cough HDCP* *cough HD-DVD*..... its a rich mans game...
HOWEVER: the dual core phones look to be so much of an advancement of their own, that they may sell just fine without neutering the SGS, etc... so they may just do it... it would be good to get every phone up to a certain point so that theres only a few versions of android out, keep it simple, and shut Jobs up... fragmentation... at least our radios work!
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Samsung UK did promise Froyo to SGS by end of 2010 and kept their promise...to the UK subscribers. Unfortunately the USA is a separate issue all together as we have the largest base of subscribers and afaik 5 different versions (Sprint, AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, and US Cellular). I would suspect maybe summertime by the time we get it, just in time when the new phones come out anyways.
The original galaxy s had hdmi out as well...sprint gimped the epic.
It was supposed to originally have 16gb ROM, 1gb RAM, sd card(I don't think the original galaxy s had an sd slot ..) fm radio, hdmi out, blah blah blah
This phone waslaunching too close to the evo which sprin spent a lot of money advertising, so they had to gimp the epic so that everyone still thinks the evo is better hardware wise.
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Yes, I know the hardware is there... or looks to be (epic), but HDMI, TV-Out, and a few other things (docks) were supposedly part of updates that would be with Froyo... or so says the sprint rep... obviously the docks were committed to, but not the others, and I doubt they will officially implement the HDMI at least, as they are putting in a new HDMI control standard on the SGS2, so if you have a compatible TV your phone can operate some functions of it (volume, power, etc)... so I doubt they will bother with it. Hopefully our geniuses here can pick up where they left off. I agree totally that the EVO was the problem, I dont know about the advertising dollars drying up, that seems to be a thing with Sprint, but I honestly think it was gimped to make the EVO have any leg to stand on, other than for those who dont like hardware keyboards. They could have just put it out properly, and ignored advertising it as they did, and it wouldnt affect the EVO anyways. Especially with the EVOs supposed short supply... really??? how long has it been out, and they cant keep sprint corp stores stocked?? Sounds like artificially inflated demand to me. Is there a shortage of other HTC phones??? Are the execs pocketing too much and not investing??? I call BS, I think Sprint is in bed with HTC... I wonder if the EVO is so cost ineffective, that they are really all preorders in a sense, dont build em till theyre already sold...
I honestly don't see a reason for Gingerbread on the Epic. The only real main difference seems to be NFC support (which we don't have the hardware for), and green icons.
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I honestly don't see a reason for Gingerbread on the Epic. The only real main difference seems to be NFC support (which we don't have the hardware for), and green icons.
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Gingerbread brought a lot of other things that you didn't see (like how most of 2.2s advances weren't visible) including an improved jit compiler, copy paste in the gmail app and others I cannot think of at the moment.
Not gonna matter much longer anyway. We are working hard on getting CM7 working on the epic. 4g is going to be a nightmare, but I'm 100% confident we can get everything else working
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If the EVO 4G had a better screen, I would gladly trade down processor speed for software stability (and a phone that just works).
For now, it's a love-hate relationship with Samsuck.
However, I'll probably jump ship at the soonest chance I get.
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If the EVO 4G had a better screen, I would gladly trade down processor speed for software stability (and a phone that just works).
For now, it's a love-hate relationship with Samsuck.
However, I'll probably jump ship at the soonest chance I get.
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I disagree completely. The entire SoC that Samsung uses is FAR superior to the Snapdragon nonsense. The fact that our phones can play high profile h.264 natively without hiccuping at all is amazing. Even the Xoom with its new Tegra 2 Soc, which has a dual core processor and EIGHT core GPU mind you, stutters like a fool trying to do what our phone does. Its embarrassing. If we ever get this software crap straightened out, our phone will easily be competitive for another year until the quad cores start rolling out. The only way I would switch phones is if Sprint got something like the Optimus 3d which uses the new OMAP4430 with the same Powervr sgx540 that our phone has, except clocked 50% faster.
tl;dr - The hardware in our phone is amazing and I wouldn't trade it for anything right now. Also, the screen is not the Epic4g's only differentiator.
March of what year?
Enough said
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Not gonna matter much longer anyway. We are working hard on getting CM7 working on the epic. 4g is going to be a nightmare, but I'm 100% confident we can get everything else working
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Sent from my Evo Killer!!!
I am absolutely drooling over this baby.
http://galaxys2.samsungmobile.com/html/index.html
Can't wait for a LTE version!
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My Fascinate is jealous
According to the leaked VZW roadmap, verizon is getting the phone sometime in may. If samsung can redeem themselves from the froyo debacle, I would consider this.
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It doesn't make much sense for VZW to release the Droid Charge, and then this a month later. Plus, I'm guessing each US carrier will make alterations to this like they did with the original GS line. That would push a release back to the summer at the very earliest. Just my .02
cant wait till it comes out!! IMO Sammy phones rock, even without 2.2.1 the Fascinate is freakin awesome, I can only imagine how much better the sgs2 will be! As long as it does come with Bing on Vzn I'm buying this as soon as it drops!! LTE 2x core sammy phones on the way!!
Wishing my upgrade was due this June not next June. Is it going to have a front facing camera?
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Wishing my upgrade was due this June not next June. Is it going to have a front facing camera?
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2MP front-facing camera
This is the International version much like the Galaxy S 9000 vs the i500 that we have. Essentially ours is gimped as compared to the 9000 and likewise our LTE version might be losing some features.
However, this looks nice. Problem I do see is what specific chip. So far Netflix and Sony's next media peice (Playstation Suite) will only work with Tegra2 chips and it doesn't sound like this phone has the Tegra2.
Other than that, this phone looks sweet and I can't wait to see what LTE Verizon's version will be like. Though I'm still considering an eventual HTC as they are better standard UI and better at updating.
I don't see any reason to opt for this. Dual core is a plus on paper, but IMO not that huge of a one for me (nothings really taking advantage of it yet, and it's not like the single core processors were slow as is). I also don't like the larger size (the Fascinate is at the high end of what I think of as reasonably sized... the 4.3" phones I've seen so far look comically oversized... amazing what .3" will do!), and Samsung+Verizon will probably make sure we get it running Eclair just because they like us so much.
Next time I buy a phone, I'm gonna first look to see how mature the mods are for it first, and make sure there aren't widespread issues with any of the hardware in it not working (GPS still doesn't work for me!).
F Samsung to high hell!
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This is the International version much like the Galaxy S 9000 vs the i500 that we have. Essentially ours is gimped as compared to the 9000 and likewise our LTE version might be losing some features.
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How is our phone gimped compared to the i9000 outside of the software department? We are one of 2? phones that have a LED flash for the camera. We don't have a FFC, but then again, most of the SGS phones released in the US don't have one either, so it is a US thing, not an i500 thing.
Samsung is nice, but they suck on updates. After Omnia and now Fascinate, I doubt I will get another Sammy anytime soon.
I'm quite satisfied with this phone, since we've gotten 2.2. I know, it's not official, but we have it, thanks to the great crew that has worked on it. Imo, it has the best screen going, and you can't beat the profile. It says that the S2 will be coming with 2.3, and the screen and profile are only going to get better. If it's a couple months, or the middle of summer, I plan on getting the S2 when it arrives.
I bought the SF launch day. I will not be getting the SGS2 on launch day. Going to wait and see how the dev community is as well as how Sammy supports or doesn't support this baby. Hardware is stellar but thats only part of the equation as we all learned with the SF
All 3 of samsung's firmware engineers have been working on future products like this instead of supporting the galaxy S I. As such, they all should get kicks in the butts.
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I'm quite satisfied with this phone, since we've gotten 2.2. I know, it's not official, but we have it, thanks to the great crew that has worked on it. Imo, it has the best screen going, and you can't beat the profile. It says that the S2 will be coming with 2.3, and the screen and profile are only going to get better. If it's a couple months, or the middle of summer, I plan on getting the S2 when it arrives.
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I agree. From what I understand, its Verizon that is dragging its feet now on updating because they want to integrate Bing. I won't get the S2 on launch, my schedule is I wait about 6 months, but I will get it I'm sure.
Yes they have sucked ass in the update department... but the hardware is pretty nice. The screen is amazing on these phones. I have had to much to drink a few times and dropped it with no consequence besides some minor Knicks and scratches. Gorilla glass is very durable. I'd definetely get one if I could afford it.
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Software can always be fixed... You can't fix hardware.
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Software can always be fixed... You can't fix hardware.
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Like my Fascinate's GPS
Quite glad I didn't immediately sell my old-school GPS when I first bought this phone, since I can't depend on anything better than cellular level triangulation.
I think if the Samsung Galaxy S 2 comes out for Verizon, I'll get that one. But if not, I think I'm getting the Samsung Charge, or Iphone 5. What phone are you most excited about?
iPhone
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sgs2, I hate apple so undecided on iphone 5
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None. I'm stuck on the two year contract. I don't know how you are not?
SGSII definitely. I'm avaliable for an upgrade anytime til my contract ends November.
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Nothing from Samsung, that's for sure.
I actually really like this phone once its de-bloated and de-crapified. Actually its probably my favorite phone I've ever had. (that includes numerous smart phones and platforms going back to the nokia 3650 on symbian os). Im going to stick around with it until there's something amazing released.
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do you know if its coming to verizon?
I'll get the SGSII, IF and only if it doesn't have anything locking it down and preventing custom ROMs/Kernels. Otherwise, I'll find something else.
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I'll get the SGSII, IF and only if it doesn't have anything locking it down and preventing custom ROMs/Kernels. Otherwise, I'll find something else.
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Supercurio has been posting numerous Tweets on his Twitter bout that, seems that there's not too much to worry about that
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This mod will be getting a Thunderbolt when his contract with ATTmobile is up.
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Supercurio has been posting numerous Tweets on his Twitter bout that, seems that there's not too much to worry about that
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Yeah, didn't see those when I posted that. Just need to make sure that VZW doesn't request that the bootloader be locked and Samsung follow through with it.
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Nothing from Samsung, that's for sure.
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What she said! F' Samsung! I've had all 3 omnia's and now the Fascinate and am sick of having to wait for updates whilest others bask in the update glory!
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Yeah, didn't see those when I posted that. Just need to make sure that VZW doesn't request that the bootloader be locked and Samsung follow through with it.
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Saw this posted on twitter ... Wayne and company are generally a solid source.
http://www.gizmoninja.com/2011/04/15/samsung-will-not-lock-its-bootloaders/
So will unlocked bootloaders win out over slower software updates? For me personally I say yes.
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I actually really like this phone once its de-bloated and de-crapified. Actually its probably my favorite phone I've ever had. (that includes numerous smart phones and platforms going back to the nokia 3650 on symbian os). Im going to stick around with it until there's something amazing released.
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I'm probably going to do the same, I'm hoping that it can get me til sometime in december of 2012 so i can leave verizon...though my contract is "up" in march of 2012 my girlfriend's line doesn't end until 12/23/2012
I just jumped ship from the Fascinate to the Thunderbolt a few days ago. Rooted and have been experimenting.
After getting a sense of the Thunderbolt and putting it side by side with the Fascinate, its not as dominant as I would have expected. The Fascinate's SAMOLED screen is just substantially better than the Thunderbolt's S-LCD. Its not even close really. Also, the latest gen Snapdragon + Adreno 205....doesn't seem as snappy as the Fascinate SoC. Fascinate definitely has better graphics. Very subtle stutters on the Thunderbolt after testing a few ROMs and Kernels. Also, its certainly a matter of opinion, but the Thunderbolt is just a tad too big compared with the Fascinate. They have the power button on top like an iPhone, and the way I would naturally grip the phone puts the power button barely out of reach of my index finger. I have to do a very small phone adjust in my hand to allow my index finger to get on top of the power button, but the Fascinate's 4 inch screen is about as large as I would imagine it could get for it to require no movement of the phone in the palm while operating it, which is preferable I think.
On the other hand - Verizon's LTE network is stupid fast. NYC with its saturated 3G networks -- the LTE network is like coming up for air after nearly drowning. Its rock solid everywhere I've been, almost like ubiquitous WiFi. When you really think about it, even the best Dual-Core Cortex A9 phones on ATT can't really touch a Cortex A8 experience on WiFi. The network makes an enormous difference and that can't be stressed enough.
The Thunderbolt is sexier than the Fascinate with its screen off. I don't really care about the kickstand, but the feel and heft is a welcome change from the Fascinate. Although not a graphics beast, it is by no means a slouch. The UI is very snappy, and I'll be very curious once CM7/AOSP gets released.
Thats the final thing about the Thunderbolt that I think is worth mentioning. The Thunderbolt forum is buzzing. Lots of devs, people are gearing up for CM7 nightlies/crackflashing. Not to say this forum wasn't Fantastic, but the Thunderbolt, and HTC in general, seem to have a slightly more robust community. I'm not at all upset with my decision to switch, but the Fascinate is by NO MEANS old hardware right now, in fact using the Thunderbolt makes me appreciate how good Samsung was on the hardware side.
sunder74 said:
Saw this posted on twitter ... Wayne and company are generally a solid source.
http://www.gizmoninja.com/2011/04/15/samsung-will-not-lock-its-bootloaders/
So will unlocked bootloaders win out over slower software updates? For me personally I say yes.
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I agree, and with an unlocked bootloader and a whole SLEW of awesome devs that I know are gonna jump on this beast of a phone and with Sammy leaking source code and updates like EB01/EC01 for free beta testing, we don't need official OTA updates. I WILL BE GETTING THE GALAXY S 2!
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That is a great question. I bought a used Fascinate to hold me over, and to learn the Android system. I am hoping that later in the year I can get something with dual core and LTE. But I also don't want to give up battery life. So this may not be possible.
I like Android, but have a bad opinion of Samsung compared to my previous multiple HTC WinMo devices.
So I want:
For the OS: Android, likely not Microsoft, never Apple.
Manufacturer: HTC, maybe Moto, Samsung is low on the list.
Carrier: Verizon...........period.. What I need it for, other choices fail.
Dual core would be nice, but not at the expensive of a lot of battery life.
I want LTE. Not badly, but there is not much reason to throw away a 2 year contract and not get it.
The Thunderbolt is almost it, and may BE it, for me. Maybe I really don't want dual core just yet anyway. The new SGS II is probably nice, but I'm sure I would be returning in to Verizon as it would have the same hardware weaknesses that I see in the Fascinate.
So I'm waiting it out for now to see what else comes along. Until I smash this P.O.S. Fascinate against the ground and I'm forced to decide.
It's going to be really tough for me to buy another Samsung phone. The internal guts of the Fascinate are awesome (which is why I bought it), but the lack of support and poorly written code is a real let-down. I'm definitely going to explore other phone manufacturers and carriers to see how things compare. If another network suits my daily needs, I'll definitely switch... possibly to T-Mobile given their upcoming line-up of phones. I'm not excited about the possible AT&T merger, but I definitely won't be locking myself into any contracts in the near future. Android progresses way too quickly to get locked into anything longer than 1 year - and those contracts are going away.
As much as most would hate to hear it, if the iPhone had Google Navigation, a universal micro-USB port and maybe removable internal storage + battery... I would consider it. I doubt those things would ever happen, so no iPhone for me. An MIUI-compatible Android would be much better anyways.
Galaxy S2. Samsung is improving. I mean, GB is rolling out to the i9000 before any other phone. Their hardware is superior. With the Galaxy S2, it's EXT4. AND, the bootloader is gonna be open. It seems that they ARE listening to the consumers. Though I'm angry that we still don't have 2.2, I blame Verizon for that more than Samsung.
http://www.androidcentral.com/sprints-motorola-photon-4g-available-july-31-199-contract
I'm waiting on the SG2 but for all you Photon fans
Meh. I think it looks ugly and MOTOBLUR just makes it that much more undesirable.
CDKJudoka said:
Meh. I think it looks ugly and MOTOBLUR just makes it that much more undesirable.
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The locked bootloader makes it undesirable.
They unlock that and we could possibly talk.
I'm not considering it but I do like it's angular design & the kickstand.
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The locked bootloader makes it undesirable
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Yeah that was something I forgot to mention.
Motorola Android phones on Verizon test well in battery life on anandtech.com. Hopefully this will be the same for their Sprint phones.
I'm probably going to save my upgrade for the next Nexus phone.
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Im a former DroidX and Droid 2 owner and as far as hardware, Moto does it right. Best battery life and radios of any other phones ive had. I think Moto will follow through and unlock bootloaders later this year. So ill be getting a Photon on launch day.
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Im a former DroidX and Droid 2 owner and as far as hardware, Moto does it right. Best battery life and radios of any other phones ive had. I think Moto will follow through and unlock bootloaders later this year. So ill be getting a Photon on launch day.
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Are you going to make a Rom for it once the bootloader is unlocked? Thinking about getting this phone.
I had the NS4G and really liked your rom, but had to return the phone because of the dropped calls.
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I heard they had no plans on opening / unlocking the Photon ... ?
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I heard they had no plans on opening / unlocking the Photon ... ?
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Motorola pretty much said the same thing as HTC. They will be unlocking bootloaders later this year. But, Moto also said it will be up to the carrier. Im almost certain Sprint will go with unlocked...Not to mention the Atrix has been hacked and they now have unlocked bootloaders.
Yeah, I remember hearing Moto say as much but also remember seeing, 'somewhere', that the plans didn't include the Photon even though it was a 'future' device. If I remember where, I'd hunt it down. It might not have been official but I am certain it was a Moto statement. It was a while ago ... hope it isn't the case as I know some folks are pretty interested in the device.
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Are you going to make a Rom for it once the bootloader is unlocked? Thinking about getting this phone.
I had the NS4G and really liked your rom, but had to return the phone because of the dropped calls.
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I had to return mine too :/ But I will get another soon. I will probably do something on the Photon, probably very basic though, i.e. debloat and maybe change a few of the awful blur/gb images lol.
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I had to return mine too :/ But I will get another soon. I will probably do something on the Photon, probably very basic though, i.e. debloat and maybe change a few of the awful blur/gb images lol.
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Sweet, that's all I ask for
Props to the SGII (if does make it stateside) but I think people are going to be pleasantly surprised with the Photon.
Immediate pro's I see are:
- better signal (not a given but Moto's track record suggests it might be)
- dedicated camera button like the the 3D (I know you can shortcut it from the
home screen but it's note the same as a hardware button)
- kickstand since I don't use a case and love to pop it out for the kids to watch
movies while we're out to eat
- accessories (like the car dock) and provided HDMI cable
- higher resolution screen means more screenspace
- world phone for the possible yearly trip abroad
Likely con's:
- motoblur although having given up HTC Sense I've found I like stock android
better with my aged hero
- non AMOLED screen (SGII evidently rocks)
- initial locked bootloader
- older Tegra 2 when Tegra 3 is evidently due out later this year and is 5x faster
Anxious to see how it stacks up head to head in testing with the 3D since spec wise that things a beast.
Also doesn't have the newer 800MHz band that Sprint is migrating to.. other FCC passed phones starting with the EVO 3D have this. They're supposed to start the migration at the end of the year. It'll be a long process, but it should help with coverage down the road.
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Sweet, that's all I ask for
Props to the SGII (if does make it stateside) but I think people are going to be pleasantly surprised with the Photon.
Immediate pro's I see are:
- better signal (not a given but Moto's track record suggests it might be)
- dedicated camera button like the the 3D (I know you can shortcut it from the
home screen but it's note the same as a hardware button)
- kickstand since I don't use a case and love to pop it out for the kids to watch
movies while we're out to eat
- accessories (like the car dock) and provided HDMI cable
- higher resolution screen means more screenspace
- world phone for the possible yearly trip abroad
Likely con's:
- motoblur although having given up HTC Sense I've found I like stock android
better with my aged hero
- non AMOLED screen (SGII evidently rocks)
- initial locked bootloader
- older Tegra 2 when Tegra 3 is evidently due out later this year and is 5x faster
Anxious to see how it stacks up head to head in testing with the 3D since spec wise that things a beast.
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Stock, the Photon should beat the 3D in all benchmarks, the Atrix does. And the screen is actually very nice on these new dual core Motos. Granted, its not samoled, but still nice none the less.
It's possible it won't, but this will likely have a Pentile display too, so it won't be quite as sharp as the EVO 3D's display.
I'm excited for the phone, but i don't want to wait for and upgrade, i guess ill just have to pony up the dough (im guessing around $600?) haha
The more I see about this phone the more I like it. Looks a lot like the EVO to me. More than the 3D does. The dock option is just wicked with the tablet like interface and USB ability. My phone is mostly for business so it has some better features for me. Would be nice to have a phone with better battery life without having to rely on extended battery.
I was going to wait for the SGS2 also but by the time it hits Sprint other devices will beat the pants off it as far as speed goes. Hear quad core processors are in the works for maybe even Q4 of this year.
Still on the fence about burning my upgrade.
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Also doesn't have the newer 800MHz band that Sprint is migrating to.. other FCC passed phones starting with the EVO 3D have this. They're supposed to start the migration at the end of the year. It'll be a long process, but it should help with coverage down the road.
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So what is the 800Mhz listed here?
Bands/Modes
WiMAX 2.5, WCDMA 850/1900/2100, CDMA 800/1900, GSM 850/900/1900, CDMA EV-DO Release A, EDGE Class 12, GPRS Class 12
taken from http://mediacenter.motorola.com/Fact-Sheets/Motorola-PHOTON-4G-Fact-Sheet-36f3.aspx
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The more I see about this phone the more I like it. Looks a lot like the EVO to me. More than the 3D does. The dock option is just wicked with the tablet like interface and USB ability. My phone is mostly for business so it has some better features for me. Would be nice to have a phone with better battery life without having to rely on extended battery.
I was going to wait for the SGS2 also but by the time it hits Sprint other devices will beat the pants off it as far as speed goes. Hear quad core processors are in the works for maybe even Q4 of this year.
Still on the fence about burning my upgrade.
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I agree. With quad cores possibly coming out late this year and the rumors of the Nexus Prime, really hate to get a Tegra 2 based phone. Then again, any technology buy is going to be dated the moment it's in your hands and thus as long as it does what I want it for which for me appears the Photon just might, it's probably better to get a phone sooner rather than later so that the upgrade timer becomes eligible again sooner