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Hello,
I just received my Toshiba folio 100 with android 2.2. I'm trying to install 10.1 version of adobe flash since 2 hours but without success.
Has anyone already done it?
There's no Android Market on this device. I've downloaded the 10.1.95.2 apk file and installed it, but it froze my browser.
Any help would be welcomed.
Thanks,
Pedro
Sorry I can't help as I don't have one but when did they launch and where can you get one? How much?
How are you finding it? Would love to hear a review.
It has Opera Mobile 10 doesn't it? would that version work for other phones as well?
cmit37 said:
Sorry I can't help as I don't have one but when did they launch and where can you get one? How much?
How are you finding it? Would love to hear a review.
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Not that great, and not coming to the US either.
Toshiba Folio 100 preview
By Paul Miller posted Sep 2nd 2010 12:21PM
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/02/toshiba-folio-100-preview/
We just got to handle the Folio 100, after witnessing it bolted to a wall earlier, and we have to admit that it's lighter and thinner than it looks at first glance. Unfortunately, it still feels pretty cheap, and we're not sure how much we trust ourselves one-handing something this large and fragile seeming. Our brief glimpse of Toshiba's custom skin on here was most depressing -- it's not final, but we're not sure why Toshiba is even bothering showing anything in this abysmal state. The bits we've seen of Toshiba's market (for music, apps, e-books and so forth) look a bit better, but as far as we know there's no official Android Market on this thing -- a kiss of death for almost any Android device. Toshiba's biggest failure here, however, is probably the LCD it sourced for this tablet -- the screen looks as cheap and low res as could be, and while a €399 list price is decent for a tablet this size, it hardly seems a good excuse to stoop to KIRF-level components. Hit up the gallery for all the angles, along with some comparison shots with the mind share monopolizing iPad.
Update: We just heard from Toshiba's US team and there are apparently no plans to bring the Folio 100 stateside. Given our lackluster first impressions, we can't say we're all that upset by that...
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I can't seem to find anywhere this Toshiba Folio can be purchased yet, it's apparently supposed to be released October 2010 for £329.
A dump of that Opera Mobile should be interesting as it's not going to be out yet for Android publicly probably for a little bit longer. It's been shown off since February and here's a video on the Galaxy S. It's the same guy in both videos but his hair seems to have green since February in the latest one.
Are there any other reports of Opera Mobile being preloaded on any other device?
About the Adobe Flash though, the press release here [PDF] advertises it's Adobe Flash 10.1 trueness so I would assume it's pre-installed like on the Froyo Galaxy S update (albeit not the latest version, it's always updating being Flash and all).
If you're trying to install it from a provided APK and it's crashing maybe it's because the NVIDIA Tegra2 the tablet's supposed to have is a dual core chip and Adobe needs to provide a special version for it (don't trust me on this).
Currys in Croydon has one on display. I had a play with it and haven't been very impressed.
Good:
- Android 2.2
- We plugged in a USB keyboard and it worked instantly and the sales advisor said that a USB mouse worked just as well.
- The Toshiba file browser makes it easy to access the USB port and the SD card (Full sized SD slot I think)
- Has four buttons on the side but I like the fact that you have to press them deliberately to activate them rather than just accidentally brushing over them and closing your app like with my Galaxy S.
- Tegra 2
Bad:
- It looks really cheap and the LCD panel is like one of the cheapest netbook panels you can find on the market. The Galaxy Pad and the iPad were displayed next to it and they just made it look even cheaper
- Fonts don't look very smooth
- I couldn't get flash websites to play when just switched on. I found an apk of 10.1 and installed it however it started to crash the android browser. The sales assistant said that he would look into enabling flash. I'll check back in a few days to give flash on BBC iPlayer a go.
- Barely any apps installed by default. - I'd forgive the app problem in the case of the Vega due to the much lower price but is not forgiveable in the case of the Folio when it looks like a Asda's own brand electronic photo frame and it costs £330
- Swiping through the interface didn't feel any smoother than on my Galaxy S
If the Vega turns out to be a better quality product I will probably get it.
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The Galaxy Pad and the iPad were displayed next to it and they just made it look even cheaper
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Where do you live that the Galaxy Pad is on display? What country / store?
I got my Folio 100 today, and im looking forward to do some real nice modding here, and first get Market app working, as done on Eken M001, so that experience can easily help us here..
I know from my motorola and htc, that the flash player 10.1 you can download, does a model check, and is , as far as i know, only working on N1,desire,droid,milestone phones, maybe that check is no longer present..
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- It looks really cheap and the LCD panel is like one of the cheapest netbook panels you can find on the market. The Galaxy Pad and the iPad were displayed next to it and they just made it look even cheaper
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pricetag on it, is also for us in Denmark like 50% percent off almost.. so comparing to another galaxy pad or little cheaper ipad, im not sure you can expect LG lcd inside such a model, but ill see if the quality is acceptable.
most of them can be calibrated anyways, so if its a color issue, it can be fixed.
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- Fonts don't look very smooth
- I couldn't get flash websites to play when just switched on. I found an apk of 10.1 and installed it however it started to crash the android browser. The sales assistant said that he would look into enabling flash. I'll check back in a few days to give flash on BBC iPlayer a go.
- Barely any apps installed by default. - I'd forgive the app problem in the case of the Vega due to the much lower price but is not forgiveable in the case of the Folio when it looks like a Asda's own brand electronic photo frame and it costs £330
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All this is without modding, lets just get the modding started, and ill think less of what Toshiba accomplished and look at others when their packs are in place.
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- Swiping through the interface didn't feel any smoother than on my Galaxy S
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? what exactly do you mean? i got Galaxy S, and if you already state its just as good, im looking forward to it
how can it be bad?
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Where do you live that the Galaxy Pad is on display? What country / store?
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I live in UK
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? what exactly do you mean? i got Galaxy S, and if you already state its just as good, im looking forward to it
how can it be bad?
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I don't know - I just expected the Tegra 2 Dual Core to just obliterate the single core CPU in the Galaxy S. I have no doubt that the Folio is a great platform to loads apps on I just expected a lot more of it considering it costs £130 more than the Advent Vega in the UK.
That said if someone gave me one I would sing it's praises
Have you gotten any good 3D games on it? I'd love to see how good the Tegra 2 is.
I think I saw an article today saying that Toshiba rushed to get the Folio out and didn't include Flash. It is or it should be downloadable from the Toshiba Market and the second batch due in Q1 2011 will have it installed by default.
On a side not I upgraded my Galaxy S to Froyo today and it is so cool playing all flash content, chrome2phone etc
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Have you gotten any good 3D games on it? I'd love to see how good the Tegra 2 is.
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not yet, it has so far been more technical, and trying to root it, and get into recovery so i can somhow make a proper backup of the device before i start changing everything..
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I think I saw an article today saying that Toshiba rushed to get the Folio out and didn't include Flash. It is or it should be downloadable from the Toshiba Market and the second batch due in Q1 2011 will have it installed by default.
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and no, i looked at the system partition right now, there is no flash apk's and no libs indicating any flash support.
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not yet, it has so far been more technical, and trying to root it, and get into recovery so i can somhow make a proper backup of the device before i start changing everything..
and no, i looked at the system partition right now, there is no flash apk's and no libs indicating any flash support.
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Toshiba is expecting to release flash for the FOLIO during next week (expected 10th). This should be available through Toshiba Market.
/Kevin (DK)
Out of all the Android tablets the only 2 that shine is the Toshiba Folio 100 and the Advent Vega.
Why?
Well firstly they're both >8.8" so you get a generous dose of screen-estate and the form factor is still nimble/small. These could substitute for netbooks but 7" tablets cannot imho.
Secondly they're generous in they're offerings (BT, Wifi, HDMI, USB host, SD slot) and high-performance.
I live in Australia so we always get devices a little later than US/UK. So for me the availability does not matter as the transaction would occur through the internet.
I may be importing an Advent Vega or a Toshiba Folio 100 ... so I am eagerly waiting for reviews (none available yet, just Google'd).
What will be the general deciding factor would be:
1) Display.
We know that Froyo supports only upto 600p. We know both devices have 10.1" TFT screens, so I hope they've kept the gloss to a minimum.
We know Toshiba Folio 100 has a 600p display and the Advent Vega was leaked to have a 600p resolution. However, in a recent video (@3:20) the PR says videos play above 720p but below 1080p on the Vega. This implies 1366x768 resolution which would mean (once Gingerbread is ported) sharp graphics, no need to convert videos, possible to watch digital TV.
These are huge advantages over the Folio 100, but it could've been said accidentally and he may have meant to say "the device can playback more than 720p but less than 1080p content via videoOUT but not on the device screen". If this is the case its upsetting because Tegra2 is supposed to be able to smoothly playback 1080p video ... so this implies a performance bottleneck (most likely by a smaller 512Mb RAM, if not then a lack of drivers).
2) Performance.
I've already gotten into the subject; which one has more RAM? Both have the same Tegra2 SoC which is supposed to be blazing fast, but if it only had 512Mb RAM it would only be as fast as the current-highend (Galaxy S, Desire Z, Droid2). And would mean it might jitter at the performance-intensive applications we currently have, and one's we will have in the future.
3) Battery life.
We don't know the REAL battery life on either device, must wait for reviews.
4) General build/features.
They're pretty even as far as "hands-on" describes but the Toshiba is slightly ahead because it has an SD slot (cheaper cards) than Vega's microSD. Also the Toshiba has a removable battery which the Vega may not have (unknown at the moment). The Toshiba has 3G connectivity, which the Vega lacks but may get in 2011Q1.
5) Price.
Wait and see.
Currently I'm hooked on the Advent Vega (name reminds me of Vegeta) and the prospect of a 720p tablet. I don't care much for the price, if the Advent Vegeta really gets a 720p screen and 1GB RAM I would easily overlook its shortcomings (No Market, No 3G, microSD, nonremovable-battery, plastic build) I would be happy to pay in the iPad range
.... I will get Market hacked, MIUI loaded, tether (I've already got 2GB/month on my GalaxyS) hehehe
I got mine yesterday. I think they are a little on the crazy side releaseing this table so early as people will give it negative feedback based on their expereince. This device is not ready for the general public. If your technical you can work you way around it, but you need to be at developer level to get this performing to its bes. Im going to hang on to mine for a while, although no flash player or sound when im playing video files and a slightly dodgy HDMI port are worrying me.
be nice if we could get a folio device section on here....
second that with the need for a Folio section
Has anyone had any problems with the DNLA or UPnP? I cant get mine working when all the other devices like xbox, archos and pcs all find the UPnp server
I had the Folio 100 for a while but returned it, I started a thread on Modaco with all my info.
Short version:
Current flash APK crashes _hard_ it will not work without an update from Adobe or Tosh (or the OEM that really made it)
All the games I tried wouldn't run at all. Either they were trying to rely on /mnt/sdcard (which doesn't exist due to the way they mount the internal memory), the opengles lib segfaulted (Look like the drivers are alpha quality) or they used the Android market call-home anti-piracy check, which fails due to not having the market.
Also the deep power-save it goes into could get stuck (and would always kill adb when the screen went off)
The OS is signed with the SDK _test keys_ (talk about amateur mistake)
IMHO, combined with the _terrible_ screen I'd steer clear until the software is updated at the least.
I think that we need a Folio section too.
A Test2 build seems to be out ...
Working for live stream of the F1 practice.
Still beta as it managed to reboot the Folio just now
CHECK YOUR TOSHIBA SERVICE STATION PEOPLE FLASH PLUGIN BETA AVAILABLE!!!!!!!
Working well on BBC Iplayer!
I bought a G-Tablet from ebay for about $320 (shipped), but it hasn't arrived yet. I recently had bought the Nook Color and rooted it, overclocked it to it's max, and still was severely disappointed in its performance. My nexus one, *not* overclocked, although rooted but pretty much stock with launcher pro...blew it away in every performance measurement I used: flash videos in the browser, general browsing, video playing of non supported codecs through Rockplayer (worked flawlessly on the N1, was choppy on the Nook Color)
I guess I should have asked this question before I went ahead and actually bought the gtablet, but are there any Nexus One owners here who can make the strange apples to oranges comparison between the Gtablet and the N1 as far as performance? Once you've rooted and modded the Gtablet of course, I'm not looking for a stock to stock comparison (even though my N1 is nearly stock)
I still have a few days to return mine... They have a Honeycomb port on the evo. But things are developing rather slow for the gtablet. Gingerbread runs well but everything is still work in progress.
I can't knock it. But I can't say I'm completely satisfied either. I was also an early Nexus One adopter and it took me almost a year to love it. I bet I end up keeping the gtablet, it'll get there eventually.
The performance is like running windows 3.1 on a quad core. The hardware is amazing, software not so much.
I have both the N1 and the GTablet. The Gtablet is much faster with the correct ROM. My wife uses it mostly to read Manga. Every now and then I get my hands on it to tinker a bit Quadrant speeds are much higher on the tablet.
I think this would be a great tablet for Honeycomb. If I had the knowledge and was able to use it for more than about an hour I would work on a Honeycomb port.
I have both as well. I almost bought a Nook Color, but the hardware on the GTablet is more "Tablet" oriented. I flash a new ROM every couple of week so far. It is pretty quick with a custom ROM, but none of the current ROMs (based off of Froyo) are really utilizing the Tegra 2 to its fullest potential I think. I believe the devs are waiting for Honeycomb devices to be released (Xoom) and to get their hands on system dumps.
Wow $320? I was considering the nook but at this price point combined with the tegra2 and 10.1" screen this may be a contender!
http://www.viewsonic.com/gtablet/spec.htm
Things I noticed:
-The battery may appear weak @ 3650mAh, but this review says otherwise.
-No sensors? (accelerometer, magnetometer, light)
-No HDMI port, but a proprietor connector with a cable forecasted in the future.
-working bluetooth, dont know if the headset profile is supported
-100% need to nuke the default software and install CM7
Good review: http://www.linuxslate.org/Review_Viewsonic_G-Tablet_Android_Tablet.html
I have both an N1 and a G-Tab, and am running the VEGAn ROM on my tab. I love it, especially since it will allow me to bide my time a bit before taking the plunge on the new Honeycomb tablets, so that those prices can maybe drop a bit.
I have used my laptop maybe twice since I got the GTab, back just before Thanksgiving. I use it mostly in the evenings on the sofa while watching TV, to surf, IM/Twitter/Facebook, read e-mail, read Kindle books, and of course play Angry Birds.
Nexus One & GTab
I too have an N1 and a GTablet running the Adam ROM.
The tablet is a great piece of hardware, and it really only becomes cool once you get the correct ROM (VEGAN or ADAM) on it.
The speed is amazing.
I get almost 20-24 hours of charge out of the device.
I've even got more than 2.5 days of standby time (screen off, wifi off, but not in true standby mode)
I also have the dock for it (kinda pricey at $70), but hey, now I have a media tablet that hooks up to my HDTV, has a USB drive attached, and I can use a wireless keyboard to have some fun with it from afar.
All-in-all, I give the GTablet two-thumbs up!
That said, I'm getting a XOOM tomorrow to play with next!
Cyan has a ROM for it in beta testing
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I also have an N1 and a G Tab. Absolutely the first thing to do is install a custom rom. I'm running latest TNT Lite with Launcher Pro and this thing runs circles around my N1. I tried the gAdam rom also, but I think notionink needs to get their act together and fix their issues before we'll have a decent port. I stuck with tnt lite because it keeps a few of the cool tablet changes like the 3-pane settings area. I'm not sure if CM has this.
I've only had it a few days, but battery life is fabulous. Lasted all of yesterday with wifi all day, normal email, web, game, etc use and still had 40% when I went to bed. Such a far cry from needing to charge my N1 around 5pm.
Also, it does indeed have an accelerometer and a light sensor. Does not have GPS or Magnetometer (compass).
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Link please?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=951822
It's not exactly CM... but it is based on it.
Anyways I also have a G Tablet. I am a huge fan of it, and use it every day. Tether it with my N1, and life is good =D. I am actually running the above rom on it right now. It's pretty good, it just needs some work on drivers still. Nvidia just released the gingerbread drivers for Tegra 2 though, so it will probably be in the next release of Vegan.
Is the viewing angle really that bad?
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/14637-cyanogenmod-7-for-g-tablet-v700-beta1-1192011/
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Is the viewing angle really that bad?
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It's not fabulous, but I read Kindle books on it all the time with no problem. Sometimes it's better to hold it upside down for a slightly better look. And it is true that laying it flat on a table and then trying to type will be pretty hard angle-wise. But if you're sitting somewhere, holding it in your hands, it's acceptable.
(All of this is said, though, with the understanding that N1 owners are very spoiled when it comes to display since the N1's is so beautiful, so it still might be an issue for you even though I don't find it any big deal.)
I was really torn over the GTab or iPad2. I purchased an iPad1 just to play with and while the OS is atrocious, the screen is bright, awesome, and responsive.
I plan to use a tablet for business to show off websites and draw up designs on the spot. While I really wanted an Android tablet, nothing really strikes my fancy regarding the screen. The GTab's screen size is odd too, making it really feel like an oversized phone.
I took the iPad back because of the iPad2 release next week. During which I bought a Nook to play with. Sure the Nook had a great IPS screen but the it was sluggish and wasn't responsive to my touches when trying to sketch, plus the 7" screen was too small.
I really need a 4:3 10" and it seems the iPad2 @ $499 is the best bet for me.
Like previously said, coming from a Nexus and playing with the iPad, the display is very important to me.
I've had a Viewsonic G Tablet since November 21st. I love it. I have mainly stayed with TnT Lite because it's the most stable custom rom.
Performance: Both are about the same. I'd give a slight edge to the G Tablet.
Screen: The N1 screen is slightly easier on the eyes. There are many reports about the G Tablet's poor viewing angles and quality. Personally, it hasn't bothered me as much as some other folks. I use the G Tablet in Landscape mode 99% of the time, and has been fine. I've watched movies, football games, and played angry birds for hours on end without getting major eye strain. When in Portrait mode is where you really see the poor viewing quality. TnT Lite includes a hack that provides a subtle improvement on the viewing quality. You really see a difference when reading books and comics on the G Tablet.
The key with the G Tablet is that it really is only usable with a custom rom. Although, Viewsonic recently made available a Unit Test version of their next stock rom upgrade (3991), and it seems really slick, especially in Classic Home mode. I expect when it's released, more users will start using the stock rom. Of course, everyone is anxiously awaiting for Honeycomb to become available on the G Tablet.
Okay, so I'm thinking of taking the proverbial 'plunge' and buying a tablet, and the Advent Vega is looking like a good candidate because of its price and decent spec. But I could use a bit of advice.
Firstly, I should say I'm familiar with Android and flashing ROMs etc - I have a HTC desire that I've rooted, SIM unlocked, and re-flashed many times, so the concept of flashing new ROMS is not new to me. I'm really looking for a tablet that can run Honeycomb respectably, but the Motorola Xoom and Asus Transformer are just a bit too pricey for me.
So here's what I want a tablet for. I'd be really, really grateful if someone could advice me whether the Vega will do the job.
- Web browsing and blogging - I need something I can carry around easily and type on fairly easily; I'm pretty good with onscreen keyboards so long as the hardware can keep up with my fingers.
- Gaming. I want to be able to play some of the high-end Android titles - the latest offerings from Gameloft, etc - in decent quality, ideally on Honeycomb. Can the Vega do this (with modified stock OS or VegaComb)?
- TV / Movies - I want to be able to carry films around and use the HDMI output to watch them on a big screen, without the content stuttering and jerking around.
So that's pretty much all I'm after. Will the Vega be capable of this, do you think? Or would I be better off sticking with something a little more well-known like the Samsung Galaxy Tab (which was my original intent).
Thanks for any advice you can give.
I can tell you this..
The screen isn't something to brag about, but the tablet has serious power.
Gaming (like dungeon defender or riptide gp) and browsing is usually fast and fluent. Honeycomb is still in beta for the advent, but works quite well. I havent really used the tv-out Yet, but i've heard that it can only do 720p, which is fine with me.
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Just as an update: I got my Vega.
And I LOVE it.
Currently using Fuji VEGA ROM, as VegaComb is a bit too choppy for me, but really pleased with how well the tablet performs. Thanks for the help, peeps.
Vegacomb gets better with time, its a brilliant tablet !
You wont regret it.. I got one 5 days ago, and dont know why you would want to pay almost double for some of the other tabs...
I know some people have some gripes (viewing angles and screen being the main ones...), but weigh this up against the cost and its a no brainer IMO
Specs do state 1080p playback is possible, but Ive not tried it yet so cant comment, but not too fussed about this.. I bought it so I can watch SD video when travelling... I did read somewhere it depends on the filetype, i.e., mp4 rather than mkv...
Best £200 Ive spent in a long time!
I wanna know how is its screen quality comparing to galaxy tab 7?
and what are the disadvantages of not having an unlock bootloader ?
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I can compare a tomato and a steack ?
what the advantage to sit on my sofa ?
Hard to tell. Glaxy tab 7 is a sub par product of a previous generation, doesn't come close to iconia in any way.
On the tabs 10.1 and 8.9 the screen quality is certainly better but you wouldn't notice without the tablets side to side.
The locked bootloader has been hacked so that point is irrelevant. It's purpose is to install custom roms.
The disadvantage of all other tablets over iconia is the lack of a full size USB port. Caring all kinds of proprietary adapters isn't exactly the ideal solution.
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I wanted to buy iconia, but the screen quality made me hesitate
I saw galaxy tab 7's screen before and it was so good
so I'm going to buy Iconia
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Hard to tell. Glaxy tab 7 is a sub par product of a previous generation, doesn't come close to iconia in any way.
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I don't know where you have got that idea from, but it simply isn't true.
First of all, the GTab 7 has a very good IPS display that is better than the Iconia's display. That's not to disparage the Iconia's panel though.
Secondly, the GTab 7 is a far better media player than any of the current crop of Honeycomb tablets due to much broader codec and container support.
Thirdly, given the dearth of Honeycomb optimised applications, the fact that the GTab 7 doesn't have Honeycomb is not the disadvantage that it should be.
The GTab 7 is most definitely not a sub-par product, and in many ways it is still very current - there is no better 7" tablet on the market in my opinion, which is quite impressive given it is nearly a year old.
However, it tends to serve a different purpose than its larger brethren, so can't really be directly compared.
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Dave
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Secondly, the GTab 7 is a far better media player than any of the current crop of Honeycomb tablets due to much broader codec and container support.
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That might be true if this was an iPod where you're stuck with a stock video player, but this becomes a non-factor as soon as you install RockPlayer or MoboPlayer, which plays everything thrown at it. Does anyone really use the stock video player on any Android device? They're all just so limiting that I question why anyone would do that unless they have an iPod mentality and/or just don't know that there are superior 3rd-party video players available for free.
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Thirdly, given the dearth of Honeycomb optimised applications, the fact that the GTab 7 doesn't have Honeycomb is not the disadvantage that it should be.
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This will only improve with each passing day. Honeycomb is now the standard OS for tablets, just like Gingerbread is now the standard OS for phones. Anyone who would say that it's better to run an older version of an OS is likely someone who is stuck with a device that cannot upgrade.
They're really not comparable devices. They're a full year apart, significantly different size screens, and a huge OS version difference. With the Galaxy Tab being about the same price as the A500, unless you HAVE to have a smaller tablet or built-in 3G, there's really no reason to choose the Galaxy Tab at this point.
A better comparison would be between the A500 and a newer Galaxy Tab model, which is the comparison I made and the A500 won out (for me) for a variety of reasons, specifically price and feature set.
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That might be true if this was an iPod where you're stuck with a stock video player, but this becomes a non-factor as soon as you install RockPlayer or MoboPlayer, which plays everything thrown at it.
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Sorry but no it doesn't - try some high profile 1080p/720p MKVs on *any* Tegra-2 Honeycomb tablet with Moboplayer/Rockplayer and compare the same to the 7" Galaxy Tab.
This will only improve with each passing day. Honeycomb is now the standard OS for tablets, just like Gingerbread is now the standard OS for phones. Anyone who would say that it's better to run an older version of an OS is likely someone who is stuck with a device that cannot upgrade.
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The problem is that it *isn't* improving with each passing day. Personally, I'd expected Honeycomb optimised applications to explode onto the scene, but frankly it hasn't happened. The majority of apps that I run on either tablet are all pre-Honeycomb. It will change, but it isn't changing as quickly as I'd hoped.
Honeycomb desperately needs more apps, because for the most part we are using upscaled "Phone" apps. This isn't as big an issue as it is/was for the iPad, since a well written Android app will scale properly, but it's not taking advantage of what Honeycomb has to offer.
They're really not comparable devices. They're a full year apart, significantly different size screens, and a huge OS version difference. With the Galaxy Tab being about the same price as the A500, unless you HAVE to have a smaller tablet or built-in 3G, there's really no reason to choose the Galaxy Tab at this point.
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I agree they are not comparable (I even said so myself), but that doesn't make the Galaxy Tab sub-par which is the point of my post. In some ways it is still superior to *any* Honeycomb tablet and that is a fact I'm afraid (mostly due to Tegra-2).
A better comparison would be between the A500 and a newer Galaxy Tab model, which is the comparison I made and the A500 won out (for me) for a variety of reasons, specifically price and feature set.
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Yes, I agree that a better comparison is against the 10.1" Galaxy Tab, but that's not the point of this thread is it?
The OP was asking about the screen of the GTab 7 vs the Iconia, and frankly the GTab 7 does have a better screen than the Iconia!
FWIW - screenwise, it's:
Xoom < Iconia < Transformer < GTab 7 < GTab 10.1
Having said that, I would only consider the Xoom's screen to be actually "bad".
Regards,
Dave
I have both devices! Here is the simple comparison:
Display: Galaxy TAB (better picture quality, better warmer colors)
Codec support: Galaxy TAB (I've thrown everything but the kitchen sink and it plays it) Rock Player/MoboPlayer are good players but software rendering is NOT for 1080p!
But then again, I'm selling my TAB now and keeping the A500!
tnx everyone
now I'm just confused
I want to buy Iconia but the only thing that makes me worry is the screen quality
in comparision vids I saw galaxy tab 10 is far better in this field
but USB 2 on this and dust and moisture under g tab 10 screen makes me choose this
I heard Iconia have a much better screen compare to Xoom
I wanna now those who have Iconia, is it noticable in real life usage? I mean the bad quality
foxmeister said:
Sorry but no it doesn't - try some high profile 1080p/720p MKVs on *any* Tegra-2 Honeycomb tablet with Moboplayer/Rockplayer and compare the same to the 7" Galaxy Tab.
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Why would 1080p be necessary for a 7" screen? I'm finding 720p on my 10" A500 screen to typically be overkill and definitely not worth the file size required. There's a Law of Diminishing Returns here, and I'm pretty sure that 1080p on a 7" screen is just that. "Just because you can doesn't mean you should" also likely applies.
I guess that's why I haven't had an playback problems you mention, but I'm a pretty picky videophile when it comes to movies, and I've yet to be disappointed with 720p or less movies on the A500. I suspect I'm enjoying a lot more room on my SD card, too.
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Why would 1080p be necessary for a 7" screen? I'm finding 720p on my 10" A500 screen to typically be overkill and definitely not worth the file size required. There's a Law of Diminishing Returns here, and I'm pretty sure that 1080p on a 7" screen is just that. "Just because you can doesn't mean you should" also likely applies.
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You misunderstand the point entirely - it's not that 1080p is necessary on a 7" screen, it's that if you have a large movie collection in 1080p, you want to be able to play them on all of your devices without having to re-encode. For some people, re-encoding simply isn't an option.
In the context of this discussion, it's only relevance is that an earlier poster said that the GTab 7" is a sub-par product that doesn't close to the Iconia in any way, which isn't true.
Regards,
Dave
Sub-par and that it belongs to a previous generation.
Single-core CPUs don't belong in tablet space and Froyo or Gingerbread don't belong on tablets.
I've had the 7" for a while and I have an SGS, I know what I'm talking about.
While smaller screens will always look better and sharper, the processing power, the speed, the memory, the GPU are outdated.
The user experience and build quality don't come even close to Iconia and the 7" screen size is irrelevant.
I do, from all my heart, believe it's a sub-par and useless product and while getting it this time last year might not have been one's most inspired idea, getting one now is the worst idea or recommendation one could make.
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I've had the 7" for a while and I have an SGS, I know what I'm talking about.
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Well, if we're going to play the "who's is bigger game".....
I've had Android phones since the T-Mo G1, followed by an Hero, 2 HTC Desire's, a Desire HD, and an HTC Sensation. I've had a cheapo KIRF tablet (which definitely was sub-par crap), a Toshiba AC-100, a Kogan Agora Internet TV Portal, a GTab 7" and a Honeycomb tablet, so I guess that I must know what I'm talking about too??
Interesting to note that whilst you have posted on the SGS forums, you've never posted on the GTab 7s. Perhaps you've not been keeping abreast with the development on the GTab 7, and thus can only really comment on the stock experience, but it is vastly improved with a Gingerbread ROM and a few tweaks here and there - which is something it shares in common with pretty much all Android devices.
The user experience and build quality don't come even close to Iconia and the 7" screen size is irrelevant.
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The build quality of the GTab 7" is very good indeed - at least as good as the Iconia's IMO, and it *does* have a superior screen. Also, to say that a 7" screen size is irrelevant is pure nonsense - portability is crucial for some people. Irrelevant to you perhaps, but that isn't the same thing!
I do, from all my heart, believe it's a sub-par and useless product and while getting it this time last year might not have been one's most inspired idea, getting one now is the worst idea or recommendation one could make.
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Given that there are hardly any Honeycomb applications, the GTab 7 runs practically all the same applications so if it is useless, surely all the HC tablets too? The GTab 7 can also run the so-called "Tegra-2" only apps like GOF2 very well indeed with CF3D, so clearly the GPU and processor are still very much up to scratch for the applications that are currently available!
There are plenty of reasons why the GTab 7 is still a good tablet - it's not a direct competitor to the 10.1 HC tablets though because it serves a different set of requirements.
All this is not to say that your opinion isn't any less (or more!) valid than mine, but that is all they are - opinions! I've merely presented a couple of areas where the GTab 7" is verifiably superior than the current crop of Honeycomb tablets.
Regards,
Dave
I'm going to go out on a limb and say you are to easy to please You've seen android so early that the current versions look awesome no matter what.
I only know how much it changed from 2.1 to 2.2 and the difference was huge!
As for GOF2 it was one of my assessment points. It's damn heavy on that cpu, it heats it up a lot, it drains the battery fast and has long loading times.
On tegra 2, it barely gets warm-ish and runs like a dream. I wouldn't want to catch 2012 single-cored.
As for honeycombs apps, only one so far didn't scale right for me, some startup app remover that kept staying in 800x480 but since it's more of an utility, doesn't bother me that much.
I don't like the 7" size because it's too small for documents. Before I tried out the tab 7" I was obsessed with a viliv x70 (win 7) and the dream of full office in the palm of my hand.
Now with Iconia I think 10 is a minimum, and this with dedicated apps.
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say you are to easy to please You've seen android so early that the current versions look awesome no matter what.
I only know how much it changed from 2.1 to 2.2 and the difference was huge!
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You should've seen 1.6 (Donut) to 2.1 (Eclair) - makes the jump from 2.1 to 2.2 look quite small!
I don't like the 7" size because it's too small for documents. Before I tried out the tab 7" I was obsessed with a viliv x70 (win 7) and the dream of full office in the palm of my hand.
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It's a case of horses for courses - I want a 7" tablet for when I travel for work (which is quite frequently these days) because it can comfortably fit in a jacket pocket, which means I can take it out and about without having to carry a bag.
For home use, a larger tablet is likely to be the better choice, which is why I have both!
Now with Iconia I think 10 is a minimum, and this with dedicated apps.
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I'd possibly be tempted by the Galaxy Tab 8.9 as a single device, but I think it's probably too large to be pocketed, and not that much smaller than a 10.1" tablet to make a different.
I was hoping to buy Iconia A100, but that seems to have dropped off Acer's radar, and there are alternatives (e.g the Huawei MediaPad, Viewsonic ViewPad 7x, and Asus Eee Pad Memo) that might come to the market first.
Regards,
Dave
Hi,
I'm thinking about buying a Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet, because of the stylus panel.
But just saw this Benchmark and now I don't know if it's real?!
Is it possible to have that bad benchmarks with a tegra 3 cpu?
The HTC Flyer is the only option, but it's only 7". Maybe a Asus Transformer Prime without stylus would be the better choice or even the Transformer?!
The Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25I4hXp8CEg
Do you know other benchmark tests? What do you think?
Thanks in advance!
prereleased , buggy and unoptimised software is my guess
Max. S (From my Galaxy 2)
brianius said:
Hi,
I'm thinking about buying a Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet, because of the stylus panel.
But just saw this Benchmark and now I don't know if it's real?!
Is it possible to have that bad benchmarks with a tegra 3 cpu?
The HTC Flyer is the only option, but it's only 7". Maybe a Asus Transformer Prime without stylus would be the better choice or even the Transformer?!
The Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25I4hXp8CEg
Do you know other benchmark tests? What do you think?
Thanks in advance!
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It is only Tegra 2. You should check out these two forums.
forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-slate-tablets/bd-p/Thinkpad_slate
forum.thinkpads.com/viewforum.php?f=65&sid=4ea4e6ba93aea84ae9d9d9f919b6b864
I think the reason to get this tablet is not the benchmarks but the ability to use a stylus. If you want better performance I would wait for them to update it.
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It is only Tegra 2. You should check out these two forums.
forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-slate-tablets/bd-p/Thinkpad_slate
forum.thinkpads.com/viewforum.php?f=65&sid=4ea4e6ba93aea84ae9d9d9f919b6b864
I think the reason to get this tablet is not the benchmarks but the ability to use a stylus. If you want better performance I would wait for them to update it.
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Of course it's tegra 2, everyday is a new tegra 3 device in the in the news, just mixed it.
Thanks for the links these forums look good. Still don't understand why xda has no thinkpad forum. So there will be no ROMs or other developing here?
That would be a big point against lenovo for me! Who knows what you could do with a digitizer...
I've read a lot reviews and stuff, now. If you are interested in a good tablet like the transformer prime, but with digitizer I would suggest to wait for the next HTC releases with Scribe, ICS, unibody and 10"+ If you can't wait - GET IT!
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Actually, over at Laptop mag they did an extensive benchmark of the Thinkpad against a few others and to me it seem to be quite fine.
I've been on the fence between the Thinkpad, The Toshiba Thrive and the original Transformer and so far I am still leaning towards the Thinkpad.
Now if one is to compare it benchmark wise to the Transformer Prime, then there is no contest.
edit: Thanks admins/mods for creating the Thinkpad forum.
TS
To me raw benchmarks mean absolutely nothing. It's all about real life performance. And for my needs the Tablet works just fine.
I agree, and your recent real life review shows that very well.
TS
it's all about business
You must understand, the ThinkpadTablet is a business model. I here people arguing all the time why to buy this instead of a SGTAB. It does not even come with youtube preinstalled ( mine didn't ) so if your looking for video playing and Angry Birds you're wasting your money. I'm not saying it's not capable, it's fully capable but you're wasting it's potential. I tried most of the tablets and none raise to this. I even own an iPad 2... but it's all about multimedia and 1000 gb of games on that. I find the Thinkpad business apps and secure connections to be the best. It can connect to VPN encryption like not other. The pen is also superb. Great battery and connectivity. Robust with a great Keyboard-Folio Case. The OS is stable but i would have liked a Custom ROM. Still if they update to ICS it will be perfect.
Really a hidden jewel among the others, but only if you use it for the above purposes. Otherwise buy a SgTab and than buy a pen and you'll like it more.
+1. It's a workhorse, and a superb one.
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Hey,
Recently i've bought a Thinkpad Tablet. And i'm using GTB 10.1 p7500.
Maybe in not distant future, i'll make a comparison of those two. But for now, my GTB is going to be sold. Lenovo is much better. Not in every wy, but the way i'm using it...
Don't buy
I am generally disappointed with this tablet. While I was writing this reply I had to reboot. FC all the time, it lags way too much (Flash, launcher, writing this comment and scrolling up and down a web page)
But it boot up very fast!
Hello again.
After month of using TPT, here is some summary:
for:
- wide range of inputs (hdmi, usb, sdcard)
- stylus
- external keyboard with pin pointer
- very natural colors
- stability
- most of the unneeded apps can be uninstalled
- outstanding rubber-like cover
- very good for watching movies on my big screen, via hdmi
against:
- battery (i have to charge it every day - GTB once every two or three days)
- lack of rooting procedure
- BT 2.1 (GTB BT 3.0), very sluggish
- nobody knows how to root this thing
- sensitivity of the screen (GTB is far more sensitive)
- did i mention rooting problems ?
For now i can say, tha this is very good tablet. But if you want to use it as it is. If you like to personalize everything, if you need root or something like that, wait or buy something else...
For me ideal would be tab like GTB but with docking bay/docking station with all the features that TPT have.
I took that Keyboard Folio docking section apart and truth be told, Lenovo could have changed the setup to allow an additional USB port in that area.
TS
you dont take your work truck to an engine dyno or a drag race - you get it to work... are you really going to look at benchmark?
you get this tablet for the computrace, one of the best warranty in the service, some free app bundle, a pen (and a place to put it), ips display, hdmi out, full size USB that works with a number of devices, and a tablet that doesnt look like a toy or a device meant for female audiences
Aw, hell. I guess that means it'll never come in pink. Is it too butch? Would I look to dorky changing out my hair doodads in its reflection (when it's off, of course. Or should I buy one of the Mirror apps when I go pickup my blinker fluid?)
Seriously. If I get one of these, should I only take it out when I have my Chuck Taylors or Birkenstocks on?