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Well, it's more than just questions.
I have the HD2 and I really enjoy it. Think it's a great piece of hardware. WM6.5 gets the job done for the most part, but I can understand some of the concerns with the OS. It's good to hear that you guys are already working on WM7 and the port to this phone!
Truth is, I put my coin in google's corner, so I'm hoping that Android finds its way into the HD2 via T Mobile.
I'm a bit tech savy, been involved with computer animation and can build computers as well. I thought I ask about the learning curve when it comes to development on PDA's such as mine. With the drop of Android, I flirted with the idea of learning code.
Is Android Linux based?
You guys hear anything about Android getting a port to this phone? I've done the google search and can only find the sprint version of HD2 with Android installed. That does nothing for TMobile customers.
I read up a bit on XDA and they appear legit. My concern is code being used for identity theft. Anyone have bad experiences with XDA and the software that is released here for share? Does the software under go some sort of QA before it's provided for download?
I have no problem with donations, trust is what earns my donations...fair enough, right?
Ultimately, I really like this phone and look forward to further enhancing it...I hear XDA is the place to be!
Thanks guys/gals.
FAQ's and sticky threads are your friend as is google.
Try reading abit, get a feel for the site.. Then ask..
Yes Winmo7 is being ported to the touch HD, though at the moment it's sluggish due to lack of graphical acceleration (and not really something i"m excited by since it doesn't have copy and paste and no multitasking. IMHO it's really more like an iphone/toy meant for none-techy people).
I don't expect an official update/ROM for the HD2 with android to ever be released by htc/tmobile. However, I would be surprised if one wasn't ported by xda from other devices (like nexus/evo 4g).
Yes, android is unix based. (develepment done in java (for upper stuff) and C (for lower stuff)).
Anything you download and install from xda you do so at your own risk. However, I would argue that the risk is minimal (almost none existent) as long as you follow directions and read posts. The only thing that can brick your phone is a failed radio/SPL update/change. Anything else can be cured by a hard reset.
(and what kable said)
As unfriendly as my reply may seem, for a "tech savvy" guy you asked several questions which would have been abundantly answered if you properly used the search tools of the forum, or if you simply browsed through the most active threads
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As unfriendly as my reply may seem, for a "tech savvy" guy you asked several questions which would have been abundantly answered if you properly used the search tools of the forum, or if you simply browsed through the most active threads
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Thick skin...you grouches don't faze me
I've been through the site a bit, what can I say, life outside of the computer caught up and I got a little impatient!
I'm still reading through the forum. Have yet to find an answer to this question.
If I install Android on my HD2 (US), something goes wrong...will I be able to do a hard reset, or reinstall WM6.5?
I really think Android would benefit more out of this hardware. It seems as if everything Unix based always requires less resources and gets the job done!
I also would like to know how I can uninstall these game demos that are eating up space? Will this be a registry edit?
I feel as if Android would FLY on this device. WM6.5 is getting the job done, but it's to late for Microsoft with me. I've used Linux for some time and I just think it's better. Huge supporter of Linux!
Devils1stBorn said:
Thick skin...you grouches don't faze me
I've been through the site a bit, what can I say, life outside of the computer caught up and I got a little impatient!
I'm still reading through the forum. Have yet to find an answer to this question.
If I install Android on my HD2 (US), something goes wrong...will I be able to do a hard reset, or reinstall WM6.5?
I really think Android would benefit more out of this hardware. It seems as if everything Unix based always requires less resources and gets the job done!
I also would like to know how I can uninstall these game demos that are eating up space? Will this be a registry edit?
I feel as if Android would FLY on this device. WM6.5 is getting the job done, but it's to late for Microsoft with me. I've used Linux for some time and I just think it's better. Huge supporter of Linux!
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oh, no grouches intended (and the "I have a life" excuse is old )
There's no way to install Android on the HD2, currently, that's why you couldn't find on these forums how to uninstall it from the hd2
Game demos were not included in my stock rom, if you're using a customized rom from a carrier, then either you find and delete the relevant files, if that's even possible, or you flash a clean custom rom from the rom dev forums which includes onyl the necessary software... but then again, I know all this info because I found it on the forums
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oh, no grouches intended (and the "I have a life" excuse is old )
There's no way to install Android on the HD2, currently, that's why you couldn't find on these forums how to uninstall it from the hd2
Game demos were not included in my stock rom, if you're using a customized rom from a carrier, then either you find and delete the relevant files, if that's even possible, or you flash a clean custom rom from the rom dev forums which includes onyl the necessary software... but then again, I know all this info because I found it on the forums
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Look at you, browsing through forums and stuff. When I grow up, I wanna be just like you.
Thanks for the info. I do have a custom ROM from TMOUS. Has games like guitar hero, prince of persia...more bloated ware. I estimate about 30 mbps of used space.
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Look at you, browsing through forums and stuff. When I grow up, I wanna be just like you.
Thanks for the info. I do have a custom ROM from TMOUS. Has games like guitar hero, prince of persia...more bloated ware. I estimate about 30 mbps of used space.
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If they allow you to uninstall the games this is how you would go about it:
Go to the settings tab in Sense -> menu(lower right corner) -> all settings -> system -> remove programs.
Now the other option would be to flash your current rom to something faster and less bloated. T-Mobile US Rom Development Forum
I definitely recommend you read the Stickies before going about flashing your phone. If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask! Would suck if you brick your new HD2 just because you didn't! This is what these forums are for despite what some members might claim.
As for your other questions yes Android is Unix based and is probably going to be available for the HD2 sometime in the future(don't ask when). There's already a dual boot app so when Android becomes available switching between the two operating systems should be a breeze.
Welcome to the forums and enjoy your new phone!
Hi,
A bit irrrelevant to reply here, but I did not any other place. Have been following this forum for quite sometime. Been around with windows mobile app development for sometime. But what really interest me is when people from this forum tweaks Rom image or port to other harware. Here things look quite easy. Is it really easy? I saw one single person tweaking a ROM image and porting to different hardware?
Hope I have not offended anyone.
- Herojit
Toss3 said:
If they allow you to uninstall the games this is how you would go about it:
Go to the settings tab in Sense -> menu(lower right corner) -> all settings -> system -> remove programs.
Now the other option would be to flash your current rom to something faster and less bloated.
I definitely recommend you read the Stickies before going about flashing your phone. If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask! Would suck if you brick your new HD2 just because you didn't! This is what these forums are for despite what some members might claim.
As for your other questions yes Android is Unix based and is probably going to be available for the HD2 sometime in the future(don't ask when). There's already a dual boot app so when Android becomes available switching between the two operating systems should be a breeze.
Welcome to the forums and enjoy your new phone!
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Thanks. And no, it only allows me to uninstall apps I've installed after the initial setup. I've been through system files and the sorts and I can only find icons and other "blah" that's not the actual install directory. I show all the hidden files and still, can't find it.
Yeah, I'm looking forward to Android. Don't need the dual boot. Just a solid port with solid drivers.
Sorry everyone for the irrelevant post again.
I was hoping that someone will reply saying - "porting ROM is not a big deal, this is how you do it"
- Herojit
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Sorry everyone for the irrelevant post again.
I was hoping that someone will reply saying - "porting ROM is not a big deal, this is how you do it"
- Herojit
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Say what?
What's with your post?
OP. I'll port Android on HD2 for you for $50. You gotta send me your phone tho.
I am a tek savy guy too. I fix microwaves!
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OP. I'll port Android on HD2 for you for $50. You gotta send me your phone tho.
I am a tek savy guy too. I fix microwaves!
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Epic fail.
one thing that has been alittle pain is how the albums are viewed. i created an album for videos, yet when i view I can't have a name of the file visable, just a thumbnail. that doesn't work well at all. works fine with pictures cuz what you see is what you. videos start with a black screen; becomes a guessing game. am i missing something?
Hi. Thinking about CPU and the big screen, I think it will be very nice to have Ubuntu in Adam. What do you think?
Also I won't want to lose Eden. So I think we need something like HTC HD2 owners have. (They can start Ubuntu from the SD card like they opening a normal application as far as I saw) What do you think? Can it be possible for our Adam tablet too?
Anything is possible just put ur mind into it
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It should be similar with HTC HD2. The good thing is, their project is open source
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It should be similar with HTC HD2. The good thing is, their project is open source
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Please let me know when a good solution is found. I am keen to have it on my Adam.
That way, I don't need to worry about the warranty issue?
I would love to see this too. Really hope that some developer here can port the ubuntu to Adam. Please please please please
Why will you install Ubuntu on Adam? Is the new Maverick Meerkat fully mature on the touchscreen?
A lot of stuff needed here. I'll make a place holder in Development section with some necessary steps and such.
If anyone wants to make this happen though we need Eden Plus to be successful as full root and unlock will be required. Help out with that process first and then we can focus on Ubuntu.
if you install natty dont forget to pin libc6 to 2.12
Ubuntu port on Adam
Check this one if it helps...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=931214
Also, I saw some activity regarding Ubuntu port to Adam on NIH and tabletroms, some while ago.
Lets hope that this comes together eventually. I'd love to try it out on Adam
Hi, I too am waiting to see the development move ahead. It seems the attention is on Honeycomb these days.
$25 for the person recognized as having ported Ubuntu successfully on the Adam, either here or on TabletROMs.
kinda tired of android
I'm kinda tired of android. I just got an HP Veer and webOS is pretty nice. Only issues I have had so far is posting to message boards like what am doing right now. I got through it but had some trouble. Sorry off topic
I have loaded ubuntu onto my adam following the steps on the dev thread. I can't post there because I new here. Well I'm not new here I just don't post much. I've been reading posts for six months now but rules must be followed! Again off topic.
Ubuntu works. I have a question. I was trying to install a USB ethernet device and ran
Code:
modprobe --list
and came up with
Code:
FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.32.9/modules.dep
I looked and only found a /lib/modules/2.6.32-1208-omap4 directory. I might have screwed up a symlink and I was hoping someone could let me know where the modules.dep file should link to.
Still waiting for tillum, rayman and paronnax to resume their work on ubuntu, especially now that nVIDIA have released the first alpha of Linux4Tegra 12, based on Natty.
I read this post by Tillum on the Ubuntu Methods development thread.
It is very disheartening to note that developers have lost interest, but that was inevitable given the low volumes and disappointment associated with the tablets. On the other hand, quite a few of us users are interested in getting a real operating system on the Adam.
I am sure that any successful port would be easily transferable to other Tegra 2 devices as well, and so efforts won't be wasted.
If we can help in any way, just let us know.
Hey all,
Although I'm new here, fantastic forum, thanks for being so great!
However, I'm surprised by the lack of stickies or posted notes regarding the basics of hacking the NST. Mods, admins, can we make this happen? If we're still reading about people bricking their devices because they read something wrong, or the wrong post on something--heck, even then main, backup, article has an error where on Linux: dd if=/dev/sdb of=my_backup.img bs=1M *but* on
OS X: dd if=/dev/disk3 of=my_backup.img bs=1m <-notice the small "m" or it won't work.
There seem to be a few topics we could have posted:
1. Backing Up & Restoring.
Heck, I'll even make a guide like in iClarified so that kids don't brick their devices by trying to restore to their 250mb "backup" that they made because they didn't use Noogie.
2. Rooting - and the various ways to do it/benefits of each method
3. Jailbroken: Now What? guide to the first few things to do after having rooted.
4. How to transfer files to the NST.
5. List of compatible software (and maybe bluetooth hardware?)
If we have these 5 topics I think many would be saved much grief, n00bs would have a good resource, and even old-timers could check in and see what's new without having to have individual threads bookmarked.
Mods, can we make this happen?
Cheers,
-Feliks
I'll help with making some of the guides
Do you want to "sign up" for any of the above? What do you want to write a guide for? Pick something, and then I'll edit my first post with your name beside what you want to do. That way, we don't accidentally have more than one person working on the same piece.
Cheers,
-F...
I'll sign up for writing a guide. Currently I'm trying to introduce the B&N forums to rooting, and the current thread on rooting is for 1.0.1.
A lot of this is actually covered already:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1380400
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1346748
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1475613
The problem is that the forums lack organization, and therefore unless there's constant chatter on one of these pages they're all pushed deep into the bowels of the forum, some stuff and "projects" have been completely lost and forgotten until someone decides to post and it's brought to the front, like XorZone's Reading Now button mod.
I think it'd be nice to see something similar to this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=22036179&postcount=10
In which a post completely discusses the differences between all the different methods, and an index like: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1380400 in which he tried (unsuccessfully) to have people not post in that thread, while posting a list of all the latest tweaks and hacks and work arounds.
The only problem I see with this idea is a problem we're already having regardless of lack of organization, and that's people not completely reading what they're doing before they do it. There are plenty of cases where people have killed their devices because they were unable to read and follow directions, instead writing TouchNooter or CWM or whatever directly to the nook, trashing the /rom in the process.
Currently I'm working on making a good tutorial (with pictures) that will cover all parts of the rooting process, like backup, choosing a method, actually rooting, setting it up after rooting, etc.
I'll be posting it on the B&N forum, partly because the people looking for it on there won't know how to do most of what we consider basic stuff, and for now I'll just be editing it in this post. I don't like the B&N forums...
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In the other rooting thread, it links to a website that is not updated, so it can confuse many people, and if the tutorial from the other thread is used on a Nook Simple Touch running the 1.1.0 update, it will make your Nook fail to turn on! While it does have a link to a tutorial for people using the 1.1.0 update, it doesn't go very indepth, and also uses a more outdated rooting method, and while it still works, there will be some issues that have been resolved with later roots.
Here is a link to a good Nook Simple Touch rooting community (this line is a link to the site), where you can get the newest rooting methods (there's only 2 major ones, with one old minor one). You'll find the rooting methods in the "Nook Touch Android Development" forum, and if you're somewhat good with computers you should be able to just pick a method and follow the instructions provided by the author of the rooter. For the rest of the people reading this, just keep reading this; you'll find detailed instructions telling you how to backup your Nook and root it, along with pictures. Unfortunately, there isn't a video (yet).
As you read through this, be sure you do NOT skip any part of it, even if you think you know how to do something already. There are a lot of people that have skipped over the instructions and disregarded the warning to make a backup before they began, and have had some problem while rooting and couldn't fix it.
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Here, have a brief overview of the rooting process! This is not intended to be used in place of the actual instructions to root your Nook.
Write a disk image to a Micro SD Card.
Put the mSD into your Nook while it is off.
Turn on your Nook, then back up your Nook using the mSD.
Write a different image to your mSD Card.
Put the mSD into your Nook while it is off.
Turn on your Nook, then wait while it is rooted (depending on the rooting method you chose).
Enter some details your Nook needs so you can use the Android Market and several other things work.
Enjoy.
It's not an altogether difficult process, but it does take some time and you need to have a few things first. You need:
A Nook Simple Touch. I will refer to it as the NST.
Your Nook needs to be registered prior to rooting. After you root you will not have the chance to register.
A 128MB or larger Micro SD Card.
You MUST have a way to connect your Micro SD Card to your computer using an adapter. You CANNOT just put the card in your Nook and plug your Nook into the computer and write the image through that. If you do, your Nook will be broken.
A program to write disk images to your Micro SD Card. If you use Windows, use
Your Nook needs to be connected to the same WiFi network as your computer.
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Oh wow, I just realized how big this is going to be... I haven't even made the tutorial itself yet! Also, feel free to comment and suggest what should be added. For now, I need to take a break...
Googie2149 said:
[...] I'll be posting it on the B&N forum, partly because the people looking for it on there won't know how to do most of what we consider basic stuff, and for now I'll just be editing it in this post. I don't like the B&N forums...
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I wonder if poking a stick at B&N like this is really a good idea, particularly by those who are not the actual creators of these tools. What comes of all these efforts when B&N's legal department decides that XDA is infringing on their rights, especially in the day of take-downs? How much of various rooting tools might they decide they own? What do we do when guys like Gabrial start getting C&D notices?
I prefer to link to external references from the B&N forums so at least someone has to make an effort to see the material. There are definitely some folks over there who think we're abusing B&N by not buying apps from them to support their "subsidized" pricing. The more we're in their faces, the more likely we are to get a response, and I can't think of a good one.
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I wonder if poking a stick at B&N like this is really a good idea, particularly by those who are not the actual creators of these tools. What comes of all these efforts when B&N's legal department decides that XDA is infringing on their rights, especially in the day of take-downs? How much of various rooting tools might they decide they own? What do we do when guys like Gabrial start getting C&D notices?
I prefer to link to external references from the B&N forums so at least someone has to make an effort to see the material. There are definitely some folks over there who think we're abusing B&N by not buying apps from them to support their "subsidized" pricing. The more we're in their faces, the more likely we are to get a response, and I can't think of a good one.
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Oh... Didn't think of that. :/
Googie2149 said:
Currently I'm working on making a good tutorial (with pictures) that will cover all parts of the rooting process, like backup, choosing a method, actually rooting, setting it up after rooting, etc.
I'll be posting it on the B&N forum, partly because the people looking for it on there won't know how to do most of what we consider basic stuff, and for now I'll just be editing it in this post. I don't like the B&N forums...
Have some copypaste
Oh wow, I just realized how big this is going to be... I haven't even made the tutorial itself yet! Also, feel free to comment and suggest what should be added. For now, I need to take a break...
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Just a few pointers, first, some people don't feel a need to backup their devices before rooting, secondly, depending on root method, that backup may be done automatically anyways so adding it in as a required step for rooting may confuse people and frustrate others.
Your line where you explain a second adapter doesn't flow well, and in my case is very confusing, even knowing exactly what's needed.
You must have an external microSDCard reader or this will not work. Using the Nook Simple Touch can result in it becoming unusable.
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It expresses the same information and flows well enough that it should make sense to even the most technologically inept user.
A program to write disk images to your Micro SD Card. If you use Windows, use
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This is going to mean very little to someone who has no experience "burning" images to an SDCard, Micro or Otherwise.
Your Nook needs to be connected to the same WiFi network as your computer.
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If the person has already registered a WiFi connect isn't completely necessary depending on again root method. Also the Nook doesn't need to be connected to the same WiFi network as a computer, someone could put together a MicroSD card and do this sitting in a cafe without a computer after buying a brand new MicroSD card (depending again on root method).
Another thing I want to point out is that the repetitiveness in a guide will frustrate people who just want to get it done and over with and may drive them to skip parts of the tutorial or even miss important steps.
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bobstro said:
I wonder if poking a stick at B&N like this is really a good idea, particularly by those who are not the actual creators of these tools. What comes of all these efforts when B&N's legal department decides that XDA is infringing on their rights, especially in the day of take-downs? How much of various rooting tools might they decide they own? What do we do when guys like Gabrial start getting C&D notices?
I prefer to link to external references from the B&N forums so at least someone has to make an effort to see the material. There are definitely some folks over there who think we're abusing B&N by not buying apps from them to support their "subsidized" pricing. The more we're in their faces, the more likely we are to get a response, and I can't think of a good one.
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I agree that it's a bad idea to put this all right in their face on their website especially considering progress people have made on XDA towards bug "fixes" that B&N probably won't even acknowledge. You may end up with them just removing the post completely on the one hand, on the other you may end up in them going after XDA, myself, or anyone else who has worked on root if it got pushed too far.
However people can't get up in arms about "not buying apps from them" because B&N doesn't have an App store for the Nook Simple Touch, they have made no claims to ever putting one on this device, and I believe even if we tried to pressure them into adding an App store the community would be split right down the line about whether or not it was truly needed.
This is the same reason it's so hard to find anyone willing to port say CM7 or CM9 to the nook simple touch, people don't believe there's a reason or purpose to even do it. Developers and plenty of the B&N community see the Nook Simple Touch as nothing more than a device in which to do reading. So to them there is no need for the extra apps.
GabrialDestruir said:
[...] However people can't get up in arms about "not buying apps from them" because B&N doesn't have an App store for the Nook Simple Touch, they have made no claims to ever putting one on this device, and I believe even if we tried to pressure them into adding an App store the community would be split right down the line about whether or not it was truly needed.
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Good point. I'm on the NC discussions too. For the NST, scratch apps and substitute "ebooks". The same players will be equally upset about evil rooter hackers installing the Kindle app, or anything that links to Project Gutenberg, I'm sure.
This is the same reason it's so hard to find anyone willing to port say CM7 or CM9 to the nook simple touch, people don't believe there's a reason or purpose to even do it. Developers and plenty of the B&N community see the Nook Simple Touch as nothing more than a device in which to do reading. So to them there is no need for the extra apps.
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To a point, I agree. It would be nice to have CM7 or CM9 as the basis for a customized NST experience, but an alternate shell will probably meet 80% of that target. There's the "hack value", of course. I'm actually quite happy with my rooted NST running just a few more things than B&N thinks I should. I really like their hardware, and battery life is delightful. Anything that compromised battery would be a move backwards, IMO.
Admins, senior members-
regardless of whether or not a certain guide is "good" yet, can we agree that it would be good to have a few "sticky" posts, so that the good ones don't get buried where they would be hard for users to find?
Formally, then, I request:
1. Sponsorship of this project by a moderator--I/whoever else can do the editing, what have you, but we just need to start to get organized.
2. Does anyone *disagree* with the list that I made at the beginning? Being:
a. Backing Up & Restoring
b. Rooting - and the various ways to do it/benefits of each method
c. Jailbroken: Now What? guide to the first few things to do after having rooted.
d. How to transfer files to the NST.
e. List of compatible software (and maybe bluetooth hardware?)
I'll break each part into a section, and will have a main index so that people can skip to where it's relevant.
So, moderators! Do we have a sponsor? Fellow users! What is missing from this list? Or is it good enough?
*cracks his knuckles*
Let's do this.
-F...
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Good point. I'm on the NC discussions too. For the NST, scratch apps and substitute "ebooks". The same players will be equally upset about evil rooter hackers installing the Kindle app, or anything that links to Project Gutenberg, I'm sure. To a point, I agree. It would be nice to have CM7 or CM9 as the basis for a customized NST experience, but an alternate shell will probably meet 80% of that target. There's the "hack value", of course. I'm actually quite happy with my rooted NST running just a few more things than B&N thinks I should. I really like their hardware, and battery life is delightful. Anything that compromised battery would be a move backwards, IMO.
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I think the only reason I'd want to CM7/9 on this and it's the major reason is to enable Wifi tethering, while this may seem stupid for the average Nook Simple Touch user due to lack of 3G/4G or whatever. I honestly think the ability to toss on infrastructure tethering and PAW server with the piratebox plugin could make the Nook Simple Touch, easily one of the simplest and easiest PirateBox setups. Giving it a long battery life even with wifi running (Did a Wifi On test, and before I turned Wifi off got something like 9 days and still had 25% left). I'm sure others could find other reasons to want CM7/9 on here but I think that'd be my main reason.
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[...] I honestly think the ability to toss on infrastructure tethering and PAW server with the piratebox plugin could make the Nook Simple Touch, easily one of the simplest and easiest PirateBox setups. Giving it a long battery life even with wifi running (Did a Wifi On test, and before I turned Wifi off got something like 9 days and still had 25% left). I'm sure others could find other reasons to want CM7/9 on here but I think that'd be my main reason.
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You mean as a PirateBox server? The NST wouldn't be able to sleep then, so battery life would be significantly reduced, wouldn't it? Still not bad compared to some devices.
Unfortunately, my home is in an area that's too sparse for any sort of community mesh network. I always thought that would be a fun project.
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Same here, that would be fun.
Not letting this thread die. *bump* let's do this, folks!
bobstro said:
You mean as a PirateBox server? The NST wouldn't be able to sleep then, so battery life would be significantly reduced, wouldn't it? Still not bad compared to some devices.
Unfortunately, my home is in an area that's too sparse for any sort of community mesh network. I always thought that would be a fun project.
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Well with some sort of CM on there you most likely you could allow the device to sleep while leaving Wifi and the server active. Either way even with the device "awake" it wouldn't be really that much of difference I think as long as nothing was messing with the infrared. Even if you were doing some reading I still think you could get more than a dozen hours, though that would depend on how busy the server is too.
Interested in re-rooting my KF. Did it a week or so after I first got it back in November, and having nothing of real note (for me), let the update unroot it.
Looking at things now, it's virtually impossible to determine (if you haven't kept up on a daily basis), exactly what is going on now. Many utilities claiming to root, make it easy to root, re-flash, recover, etc.
Could someone (or several someones) please put together a sticky or series of stickies that is kept up-to-date (and NOT allow posting to, so it is simply ONE post that is updated, and if there is some reason to have ancient history, the most recent info is at the TOP of that ONE post) that would cover the following:
What utility to use to root the KF
What utility to use for recovery, etc. (I assume TWRP)
What each of these utilities does, has, etc. (some seem to have more bundled in them, and at this stage, I can't tell who's got what bundled that does what and more importantly, WHY I want to use utility A over utility B)
Is there one utility that "has it all" and makes it pretty easy and goof-proof?
Updated status and ETA of CM9 or other Android 4.x ROM for the KF (Yes, I know the devs have said "don't bug me", but it's been quite a while now, and we still don't seem to have HWA for video on CM9/etc. So, a "rough" ETA? I'm a developer too, so I know these things aren't always exact, but are we a week/month/3 months/year/when pigs fly away from potentially having ALL of the HW supported on the KF with CM9? At least I can go away for a while, come back at some time when the ETA is supposed to be reached, and do a check)
While Amazon VOD was important to me at the beginning, I've been exclusively using Netflix, so I'm not sure if having the Amazon video disabled due to rooting is an issue to me anymore. But HWA is an issue for watching videos on Netflix or over my DLNA server at home.
The stickies need to be updated by the authors - NOT a reply to the thread the author of the utility started. This stuff is simply too time-consuming to wander through, and attempt to wonder if "idiot A" bricked his KF due to a bug in the utility, didn't follow instructions, or whatever 27 posts later. I'm looking for a direct "here's the utility, here's the instructions, here's why you want this over this" kind of thing.
Here's my 2 cents, take them for what they are worth.
In my opinion, Kindle Fire Utility is sort of the one stop shop for all things root/recovery/etc. and it has TWRP built in. It is super easy to use in my opinion and you can get burritoroot, firefirefire bootloader and TWRP all at one time.
Credit to vashypooh on a job well done.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1399889
Hashcode and csholmq have been working with serial output, which probably offers the best chance of getting HWA working, etc.
csholmq issued and upate, but no ETA yesterday.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1471813
+1 to Yuma75.
I rooted with BurritoRoot, heavily modded the stock ROM, which was my daily for several weeks. I then used gscript to install CWM and FireFireFire and then installed Kang ICS ROM.
But for someone just starting out, KFU seems to be the way to go. I would have used it to install recovery, etc., but for user error (that is, my own). That's my two cents.
All of the developers come together to share their tricks, techniques and ROMs, often without compensation, and yet you think this "stuff is simply too time-consuming to wander through?"
If you don't have time to look through discussions, why are you on a forum?
There are already stickies and great utility threads, but if they aren't up to snuff, I think you should make one.
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All of the developers come together to share their tricks, techniques and ROMs, often without compensation, and yet you think this "stuff is simply too time-consuming to wander through?"
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No, I don't. What other site offers tools to root KF? None I'm aware of. If all I want to do is root the device....
Also - a dev posts "hey I've just got X and released it, here's the link", etc. Then I have 40-50 PAGES (not posts) of follow up. Some with problems, some just going "Ata boy!". Are there kernels of wisdom in there? Probably. But to follow through and separate the wheat from the chaff takes a LOT of time.
I've rooted before using KFU. Basically a 5 minute process. Why should I read pages of posts (not all of them even with the original post of the utility, etc.), to find out what I need? Post it in one location. Keep it up to date (things like, "oh, I forgot to upload the correct script, updated now" - updated in the original link in the original post? Updated at the web site shown in the original post? Updated in a following post somewhere?
Many of the "first posts" with links now point to dead download links. One would presume it is because the dev uploaded to something like RapidShare or the erstwhile MegaUpload, and either the link expired, or the dev killed it because there's a newer version. Do I really need to wade through dozens of posts to find the most recent D/L URL?
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If you don't have time to look through discussions, why are you on a forum?
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In this particular case? To get a utility to root a KF. I have no desire to develop on the platform, I've been developing on a great number of platforms for nearly 40 years, and have gotten more into the "I want it to work and use it", rather than "I love the struggle and fight to make something happen". So, I peruse the forum once every 3-4 weeks to see where things are - and without spending 3-4 hours perusing posts, questions, etc. it is not really possible. Sorry, I used to be one of those guys who would sit up for 2-3 days straight pulling things apart, coding in assembler, making "things dance". These days, I simply don't have the time - but would like to enjoy the fruits of a device that might be more open. Or might not. As I said before, I rooted within a week after getting the KF, using KFU. Played with it, and at the time, simply didn't see a point (other than saying "I did it"). So I let it die out. I'd very much like to try out Android 4.x to see if there's anything more - or I just leave it alone.
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There are already stickies and great utility threads, but if they aren't up to snuff, I think you should make one.
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Having been on forae for many, many years, and having worked with, made my own notes and posts regarding Linux since 1995 or so - sorry (and a great many other topics/forae). I've found in that time that the dev, or those working most closely with the dev are the only ones qualified with enough knowledge of not only what a utility does, but the thought and design behind it. Someone else attempting to step in, will simply "step in it" most of the time.
If the dev doesn't have documentation skills (and most devs don't), I'd encourage the dev to work with someone to help document and write up what their x does. I would presume that the dev has a desire for some praise and accolade for their efforts (otherwise why would they make their work public). By posting a sticky that is up-to-date and current, with correct (or corrected info), they help many others to partake of their works, even if the dev does not have their own web site (and I presume many don't since many don't point to their own website, but post a link to some file sharing service from within a post here).
I wasn't able to use KFU because I got the unsigned driver error and KFU wouldn't run correctly on my PC. But I have heard that it is a very good tool for someone that isn't good with adb.
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No, I don't. What other site offers tools to root KF? None I'm aware of. If all I want to do is root the device....
Also - a dev posts "hey I've just got X and released it, here's the link", etc. Then I have 40-50 PAGES (not posts) of follow up. Some with problems, some just going "Ata boy!". Are there kernels of wisdom in there? Probably. But to follow through and separate the wheat from the chaff takes a LOT of time.
I've rooted before using KFU. Basically a 5 minute process. Why should I read pages of posts (not all of them even with the original post of the utility, etc.), to find out what I need? Post it in one location. Keep it up to date (things like, "oh, I forgot to upload the correct script, updated now" - updated in the original link in the original post? Updated at the web site shown in the original post? Updated in a following post somewhere?
Many of the "first posts" with links now point to dead download links. One would presume it is because the dev uploaded to something like RapidShare or the erstwhile MegaUpload, and either the link expired, or the dev killed it because there's a newer version. Do I really need to wade through dozens of posts to find the most recent D/L URL?
In this particular case? To get a utility to root a KF. I have no desire to develop on the platform, I've been developing on a great number of platforms for nearly 40 years, and have gotten more into the "I want it to work and use it", rather than "I love the struggle and fight to make something happen". So, I peruse the forum once every 3-4 weeks to see where things are - and without spending 3-4 hours perusing posts, questions, etc. it is not really possible. Sorry, I used to be one of those guys who would sit up for 2-3 days straight pulling things apart, coding in assembler, making "things dance". These days, I simply don't have the time - but would like to enjoy the fruits of a device that might be more open. Or might not. As I said before, I rooted within a week after getting the KF, using KFU. Played with it, and at the time, simply didn't see a point (other than saying "I did it"). So I let it die out. I'd very much like to try out Android 4.x to see if there's anything more - or I just leave it alone.
Having been on forae for many, many years, and having worked with, made my own notes and posts regarding Linux since 1995 or so - sorry (and a great many other topics/forae). I've found in that time that the dev, or those working most closely with the dev are the only ones qualified with enough knowledge of not only what a utility does, but the thought and design behind it. Someone else attempting to step in, will simply "step in it" most of the time.
If the dev doesn't have documentation skills (and most devs don't), I'd encourage the dev to work with someone to help document and write up what their x does. I would presume that the dev has a desire for some praise and accolade for their efforts (otherwise why would they make their work public). By posting a sticky that is up-to-date and current, with correct (or corrected info), they help many others to partake of their works, even if the dev does not have their own web site (and I presume many don't since many don't point to their own website, but post a link to some file sharing service from within a post here).
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This isn't the place to go looking for a handout this is a place to read, search, read some more, learn to use a tool properly or risk bricking your device, your piss poor "I don't wanna search I just want it given to me" attitude isn't gonna get you far in these forums.Either suck it up and search to find what you want, or don't it's as simple as that. These devs do this for free, in their spare time and are nice enough to share their work with the rest of us. They do have jobs, families and lives outside of this forum and they aren't here to cater to you needing a handout. Plain and simple. If you even bothered to read to forum rules, rule #1 is SEARCH. If you want a handout I'd suggest going to another forum aside from XDA cause this isn't the place for you :-|
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There are several old threads about dual-booting, and using this particular phone. I want Windows 6.5 or less and/or a desktop version of windows (because of certain apps)... and Android 4.0+ Is it possible? Would this phone be too slow... Is there a better phone that could do it? Is there no phone that could do it?
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There are several old threads about dual-booting, and using this particular phone. I want Windows 6.5 or less and/or a desktop version of windows (because of certain apps)... and Android 4.0+ Is it possible? Would this phone be too slow... Is there a better phone that could do it? Is there no phone that could do it?
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I'm not sure about desktop Windows but as for Android just place the ROM folder on the root of your SD card then run CLRCAD and HARET and it should work just fine. No other phone can do it as well as the HD2 (if they can do it at all).
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I'm not sure about desktop Windows but as for Android just place the ROM folder on the root of your SD card then run CLRCAD and HARET and it should work just fine. No other phone can do it as well as the HD2 (if they can do it at all).
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Thankx for replying... I've posted on a few forums and haven't received anything till now. Anyway: So what you are saying is buy this HD2 phone preloaded with the Win 6.5 OS... Then put Android 4.0+ on the SDCard and boot into that. I would really want to run Android most of the time. I would connect the Android OS to my AT&T and make calls with it... and only use Win 6.5 rarely.
Questions:
1) Are there examples of people actually doing this? recently?... or just back in the days of 2.2 which as I mentioned in the 1st thread, i found many google links/forum threads on.
2) Can I still get to the Android market and all normal apps, and not have other DRM issues?
3) Since the OS is actually on the SDCard, and I hit the reset, would it automatically go to Windows, when I reset?
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Thankx for replying... I've posted on a few forums and haven't received anything till now. Anyway: So what you are saying is buy this HD2 phone preloaded with the Win 6.5 OS... Then put Android 4.0+ on the SDCard and boot into that. I would really want to run Android most of the time. I would connect the Android OS to my AT&T and make calls with it... and only use Win 6.5 rarely.
Questions:
1) Are there examples of people actually doing this? recently?... or just back in the days of 2.2 which as I mentioned in the 1st thread, i found many google links/forum threads on.
2) Can I still get to the Android market and all normal apps, and not have other DRM issues?
3) Since the OS is actually on the SDCard, and I hit the reset, would it automatically go to Windows, when I reset?
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Come on, you don't even have to search to get your answer, just browse to the SD Android development forum. You're just being lazy now.
Nigeldg said:
I'm not sure about desktop Windows but as for Android just place the ROM folder on the root of your SD card then run CLRCAD and HARET and it should work just fine. No other phone can do it as well as the HD2 (if they can do it at all).
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Come on, you don't even have to search to get your answer, just browse to the SD Android development forum. You're just being lazy now.
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From Star Trek: Sarek said: "It is difficult to answer, when one does not understand the question." Or in my case, it was difficult to go looking for the answer, when not understanding how supposedly easy it was to find. Us IT people are in the business of making others feel stupid often, but we don't have to flaunt it.
Yes this is a good link, that now you have so eloquently pointed out: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1986437
robertkjr3d said:
From Star Trek: Sarek said: "It is difficult to answer, when one does not understand the question." Or in my case, it was difficult to go looking for the answer, when not understanding how supposedly easy it was to find. Us IT people are in the business of making others feel stupid often, but we don't have to flaunt it.
Yes this is a good link, that now you have so eloquently pointed out: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1986437
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There's a difference between not knowing/understanding and simply not trying. This was quite obviously the latter. I'm not trying to make you feel stupid at all, in fact you're probably the opposite since you're going to buy an HD2 . I'm just saying that you weren't exactly trying to find the answer and just wanted to be spoon fed, and as someone who's new to this you're probably going to have a lot of questions along the way and it's better to learn how to find the answers yourself than to just get given them because it's faster and better for everyone.
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There's a difference between not knowing/understanding and simply not trying. This was quite obviously the latter. I'm not trying to make you feel stupid at all, in fact you're probably the opposite since you're going to buy an HD2 . I'm just saying that you weren't exactly trying to find the answer and just wanted to be spoon fed, and as someone who's new to this you're probably going to have a lot of questions along the way and it's better to learn how to find the answers yourself than to just get given them because it's faster and better for everyone.
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If you wish to keep noobs as noobs, and turn them away, then continue to use sarcasm. But if you wish to turn noobs into contributors, and receive more thanks, than you treat them with respect. --- I've been looking for weeks for the right place. I wish to upgrade my phone soon, but not in that big of a hurry.
You wish me to defend myself? OK. Your XDA site is huge with a vast array of forum links. I was not aware I would need to look under HTC development'. I didn't know it had anything to do with Development.... Sorry (why am I apologizing to you?). To me software development is when someone programs an application that runs on a Win-mobile and/or Android device better known as an 'app'. Or what I do... I am a software developer for the asp.net environment. When searching for dual-booting as I said in the 1st thread I get tons of threads from years ago about Android 2.2. The same happens when searching from google. Is it really that easy to find as you say? Unless like you, you know exactly where to look. 'It is easy to find the answers, when you know right where to look', 'you understood the question'... but I did not know where even to look!
robertkjr3d said:
If you wish to keep noobs as noobs, and turn them away, then continue to use sarcasm. But if you wish to turn noobs into contributors, and receive more thanks, than you treat them with respect. --- I've been looking for weeks for the right place. I wish to upgrade my phone soon, but not in that big of a hurry.
You wish me to defend myself? OK. Your XDA site is huge with a vast array of forum links. I was not aware I would need to look under HTC development'. I didn't know it had anything to do with Development.... Sorry (why am I apologizing to you?). To me software development is when someone programs an application that runs on a Win-mobile and/or Android device better known as an 'app'. Or what I do... I am a software developer for the asp.net environment. When searching for dual-booting as I said in the 1st thread I get tons of threads from years ago about Android 2.2. The same happens when searching from google. Is it really that easy to find as you say? Unless like you, you know exactly where to look. 'It is easy to find the answers, when you know right where to look', 'you understood the question'... but I did not know where even to look!
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There was no sarcasm in my post at all, but now I'm going to be quite blunt. You're acting like an idiot. I understand why you may think software development is to do with apps but when there are two separate forums for NAND and SD then it should be obvious that it's not. I was 14 and I managed to figure out how to install SD Android without any help whatsoever, I refuse to believe that a software programmer couldn't figure it out. You wished to dual boot WinMo and Android on your SD card on an HTC HD2:
1. Find XDA
2. Find the HD2 forum
3. Oh look, it has a section called 'Android'. The answer's probably in there somewhere
4. I want to boot Android on my SD card. Conveniently, there's a forum dedicated to SD Android. I wonder if there are modern ROMs there
5. Whoa, threads with ICS and JB ROMs as well as guides on how to install them. I guess I've found my solution.
Yes, it's just as easy to find as I say if not easier. Steps 1, 2, 3 and 4 could have been solved with Google.
I couldn't care less about thanks, they're not a very good reflection of... well, anything really. I've seen people with 0 thanks post amazingly useful guides (in fact I think the guide I first followed to flash NAND Android was someone's first post) and people with thousands of thanks ask 'best ROM' questions. Whilst it would be great to turn more people into contributors it'll be impossible for you to become one if you don't put any effort in yourself.
Because this thread went off the rails I am going to close it, but here's the quick rundown:
if you want to dual-boot WM6.5 and Android, you can do so using the haret method mentioned. Yes it is fully featured (market etc.) and yes when you restart you boot back into WM6.5, but you can boot into Android really fast after that if you want.
You can also dual-boot WP7 with Android, put Android on NAND or other options.
Searching really is the key, I know the HD2 forums can be a bit daunting and some things are going to be a bit hard to find but generally speaking if it has anything to do with Android (like dual booting from WM6.5) you will find it stickied in the Android forum.
Check stuff out here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=743