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I wondered if any techies thought it would be likely that Windows Phone 7, Windows Mobile 6.5, Samsung Bada, Nokia MeeGo or other mobile OS's would be ported to the Tab. I think Ubuntu Netbook Edition is certainly likely.
Oh, asking "why would you want to replace Android?!" is a different topic.
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I'm grown to like Android so much as to do things the other way around (try to fit android to any number of other devices), but I think the two most interesting (and perhaps obvious) choices would be MeeGo and ChromeOS.
Yeah, I would definitely be interested in ChromeOS or a netbook linux distro rather than another mobile OS. I bet that there will be plenty of people trying to get linux on it, because people always wanna run linux on everything
What would be PERFECT to my mind, would be being able to dual boot.
Android for when its a phone, and a micro-desktop OS for when I wanna work on it. Stick it on the keyboard dock and add a bluetooth mouse and that'd be sexy. Hell, as long as you saved any documents to SD card you'd still be able to pull them up in droid.
Now all we need is some seriously smart people to make it happen
I don't know why Bada is on that list as it is not really a smartphone os(it more akin to a higher end/smarter feature phone os), and I doubt it would translate well to the Galaxy Tab.
I kind of want to see it running the latest version of Windows CE or Embedded in a dual boot setup with Android. Or some version of Ubuntu(maybe in a newer Mint variant).
Windows Mobile 6.x would be the best alternate.
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Windows Mobile 6.x would be the best alternate.
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Is that just personal preference, or is there a specific feature you think would work well on the Tab ?
Windows 7 on Galaxy Tab
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS4UOK-pyRg
But this is only a remote desktop.you can do it now with remote RDP or LotMeIn Ignition
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I'd love to see WinMo 6.5 and some Linux Distro, but my pipedream would absolutely be Windows 98 - I know, lol98, but I would go absolutely crazy if I could run some Visual Novels on it without having to remote desktop.
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I'd love to see WinMo 6.5 and some Linux Distro, but my pipedream would absolutely be Windows 98 - I know, lol98, but I would go absolutely crazy if I could run some Visual Novels on it without having to remote desktop.
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It's seriously unlikely that we'll see a windows desktop OS on the tab. Its the problem with closed-source code. It'd take very significant patching to get it to run on the Tab, and then you couldn't legally distribute the full OS. You could make a patcher/installer, but it would require anyone who wanted to use it to use full version of windows as an installer.
In all honesty, I wouldn't get your hopes up over installing any (significant) programs that don't come with a desktop OS anyway. Sure, theres no problems with bundled stuff, so you can expect office, email, browser, IM, minesweeper etc. But running anything more complex will start to bring up problems, first due to the lack of available resources (1ghz and 512 of ram is rather anemic) and secondly because its tricky to get things to run on unfamiliar architectures.
In theory, you have the chance to do some really cool stuff (some retro command and conquer on the tab... Or Baldurs Gate) but I wouldn't hold out hope.
But you never know.
Those Linux guys are CRAZY smart. A little win95/DOS emulation later, and maybe you could do whatever you want. *shrug*.
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Wasn't there someone who installed win95 on a nexus one ? You had to install it via dosbox and even then you could only get to it via remote desktop, but it did run. So maybe I'm being too negative. However, don't expect it to be an easy ride lol. Then again, it all depends on how many of these Samsung actually sell.
If they do (somehow) manage to get up to 10mil of these in circulation then there will be a massive dev community to try and make cool stuff for them.
Yeah, that's why I called it a pipe dream - unfortunately most of the visual novels I'd love to play are windows 98+ even if 95 got up. Everything else I'd want to do could be covered by WinMo (coreplayer is love) and Android (Galaxy native divx decoding <3)
IIRC the Samsung Galaxy S series has sold 5 million worldwide last time we heard - since it's essentially the same thing sans resolution I would expect some serious development stuff going on within a few months... I hope.
If I must, I will shell out for remote desktop software, but I'd really rather not if there's other options. Music on top of other stuff doesn't stream well enough through 3G
Windows Mobile 6.5.X is what I voted though.
Ubuntu 10.10 Netbook remix looks good for touch screen.
hey guys after watching this interview from Microsoft about Windows 8 , for tablets and PCs and laptops ,, i can truthfully say , am not going buy gtab10 or any tablets that support android . am going to wait for the release of any good company for tablet with OS windows 8 and surely i'll buy it ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MnEndww2YQ&feature=player_embedded#at=16
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDy-7IZBojo&feature=related
do you think android will get busted by windows 8 ?
i want this on my galaxy tab.....
exactly the same thing came to my mind after watching this
would that be possible? they tried arm that has dual core but how about our single core?
i think it will be so hard to fit windows 8 on galaxy tab .... its depend about the dev , anyways they didn't release it yet . now am thinking of buying tab10.1 or waiting for windows 8 with a good company like samsung and only samsung cuz its easy to play with it
Lol, you think its going to be that fast over 3g/hspda, and no, i doubt this will ever come to android tablets, im pretty sure that these will be built around intels new dual core atoms, or maybe the new snapdragons.
edit: The multi-tasking does look neat tho.
They announced support for ARM..
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Lol, you think its going to be that fast over 3g/hspda, and no, i doubt this will ever come to android tablets, im pretty sure that these will be built around intels new dual core atoms, or maybe the new snapdragons.
edit: The multi-tasking does look neat tho, and im glad you wont buy another android device, you should sell your tab now.
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don't be happy that much i can't sell my tab have u ever heard someone fall in love with a tab ? ? if u didn't u probably hear it now
that someone is me lolz .. and i didn't ask this to be on my tab !!!! am satisfied with overcome , am saying , windows 8 probably will eat android and mac OS .. maybe who knows
The problems of windows phone is not OS; its a market place, it seems empty. There is nothing on it.
I have used hd2 for couple of month and love user interface of windows but when i open market , it made me mad.
iOS is not a great os , but its apps make it great. Android is growing but windows is all empty place. I will not switch to windows tab unless it has some nice market place.
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Pfff, it's Windows !!! it will freeze and crash 1387445 times per day.
And the OS will not be open source, you will not have root.
And the applications will cost more, much more.
I'm willing to give it a try, but I can't say if it'll be better than Android or iOS or QNIX. It's still too early to speculate.
@liniutze
- My Ubuntu crashes a lot more than Windows. My Windows 7 hasn't had a BSOD for a year already.
- Not have root is no problem as long as it will work, imo. What they have to do is to make it idiot-proof.
- We can't really say. There are a lot of free apps for the desktop copy of Windows. If they manage to port a lot of great apps, then money is no problem as long as their quality is nice.
Besides, I expected Apple to have apps which costs like $100. I was wrong, considering that Apple seem to have a more, "prestige" perspective than Windows. I mean, their laptops alone costs twice than Windows laptops.
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Pfff, it's Windows !!! it will freeze and crash 1387445 times per day.
And the OS will not be open source, you will not have root.
And the applications will cost more, much more.
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Exactly. I can't believe this is even a conversation. Android is the fastest growing mobile OS out there. There are over 300,000 Android handsets activated each day. That's a pretty amazing stat. I for one won't give up Android, especially for Windows.
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Windows 8 seems great, so this will make people from google to make Android OS even better and that's good for us. Even Windows 7 is actually incredible.
As for iOS, Americans and British will always buy this crap...
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What a joke they said windows mobile 7 was going tobe the one not mobiles windows is old history move on.
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ive tried wp7 on a friends phone and its snappy and integrates well with social sites. however, i dont even have an active facebook account and i dont even remember by password in twitter. the only online socialiazing i do is post to forums.
i might have bought one myself but the deal breaker is the missing wifi hotspot functionality. don't count windows mobile out yet. who knows wp8 might be great.
as for windows 8, i think they should retain the current desktop ui as windows 7 is great. the touch interface should only be an option that can be turned on/off. admit it, the keyboard and mouse combo still is supreme if you really needs to get some serious work done. the touch interface for desktop is only good for kiosks or presentations.
the reason for the popularity of other OS alternatives is microsofts fault also. they started going into consoles and put less priority on games for windows. they are diminishing their biggest advantage over the other OSes on home use.. and now if they make windows 8 "touch only", they effectively killed gaming in PCs and i might as well move on to mac.
Where is innovation?
1. They advertise HTML5, Javascript etc as innovation feature, however, the same is possible on both Android and iOS. From my perspective Java is much more capable than any of these. It is object oriented and better suited for large projects.
2. Live applications = widgets on Android
3. There is nothing said about the framework and multitasking.
4. Windows will be a closed platform undoubtedly.
So far it looks like simply a promise and marketing show.
So Yea
I saw the videos and Wow, but then if everything was like in Microsoft Marketing Cuckooland we all be using fling cars and booking our holidays to Saturn directly from our courier file manager (does anyone remember courier?)
In the real world
Android is far more customizable than WM7, and yes probably tiles are nice and better than static icons, but widgets are even more powerful than tiles, hell, you can customize your own widgets in some cases (Check Maker Your Clock Application for example) or even use live wall papers to display info.
If you put your mind to it You can make your android phone to do whatever WM7 do and then some, same goes for ios, lots of things are doable in Android, the only thing needed is people interested and willing to code the right applications.
In WM7 and iOS, sorry, close source, not allowed.
When Win8 comes out and then I see it running in tablets and can compare with whatever version of Android or Chromium and whatever is out call me,
P.S. rest assured that neither Goggle nor Apple wont be seated doing nothing and waiting for MS to take their market share
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this would make a better tablet with a dock than the transformer! you use you tablet with the same os as you laptops and desktops.
and a marketplace isn't needed. there are tons of sources for windows apps. it may be helpful for a noob, but I know where to get all my software... legally.
if this works well I can see windows taking over both iOS and android. especially if it's as "open" as windows on desktops are. no freaking having to work for root.
No wonder after watching M$ you are euphoric. Its simple social engeneering. Playing on emotions and expectations. The truth is more prosaic. Windows core idea was build on using mouse. MS tried tablets niche many times in the past but never suceeded. Do you imagine mouse with tablet?
This time it will be the same. Much hype will poooof quickly.
I dont consider using windows powered tab since I met android. In fact I have two various fujitsu tabs laying around collecting dust. I need windows to work but for everything else I use android because of easy of use.
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I do like the Look of the Touch UI, but it's just a UI.. Surely that can be duplicated to some extent under Android. If not now defiantly in future releases?
Hey i have a question like when is the win 8 arm gonna come im tired of waiting already or is it possible to run any other microsoft os on acer iconia tab a500, or can you run win xp with qemu or something like that please help me really need it. thanks for all
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Hey i have a question like when is the win 8 arm gonna come im tired of waiting already or is it possible to run any other microsoft os on acer iconia tab a500, or can you run win xp with qemu or something like that please help me really need it. thanks for all
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Nobody really knows when or.. now IF it will come.
Microsoft seems to be hitting issues with and there is not much news in this lately. Somewhere i read is to not expect it until mid 2013 if ever..
NO as far as running any windows os on the iconia. What ever qemu is. if thats a emulator i never seen one to work correctly..so its unlikely and if so would be very slow and buggy..
Sell your A 500.. GET A W500.. i have considered trying to trade mine..
ANYONE INTERESTED .
You can use an app like Splashtop to mirror what your home PC is doing. It will look like it's running Windows...
You can use some Win 8 wallpaper and replicate a Metro look
You can even change the Force Close message to "This program has ended unexpectedly...." AKA Exception Error, AKA General Protection Fault.
ive had this conversation so many times its not even funny.
Mainly, forget about it.
Chances are virtually nonexistant you'll be able to buy windows 8 ARM. Even if there was a way to legally port it, which there isn't, it'd still require a whole new set of drivers (which would be incredibly hard to create) and a proprietary, closed source pre-boot environmentwhich would need to bbe illegally modified to make the os run.
Its pretty much impossible without Microsoft helping, which you know they won't do.
And I also feel it nessarry to point out that you won't be able to run windows x86 programs on windows 8 arm, making it a largely useless platform - you only have access to metro apps, and/or windows phone 7 apps. Stay with android, you'll thank me later.
Android rom on windows hardware . CAN I PLEASE..
Can i install the update .zip .. rom from my tablet to my Windows 7 AMD FUSION Cpu notebook..
can i can i can iiiii can i please....
Windows 8 requirements to battle fragmentation:
http://uk.appy-geek.com/Web/ArticleWeb3.aspx?regionid=4&articleid=1911699
Tegra 2 can run Windows 8 !
http://blogs.nvidia.com/2011/01/tegra-2-cameos-at-ballmer-ces-keynote-with-windows-on-arm-demo/
@akram_1 - Your 2nd link refers to the Jan 2011, presentation at CES where MS talked about running Win 8 on a Tegra 2 Tablet but it got no further and as Erica Renee said in post above yours, the whole idea of that setup bit the dust during 2011 when MS decided to quietly back away from the idea.
In Jan 2012 again at CES, MS Windows Chief Marketing Officer demonstrated Win 8 on ARM but this was on a special one off unit using the Tegra 3 chip and Metro.
So please don't hold your breath waiting for Win 8 on ARM running on the A500 otherwise you'll end up in the Guiness Book of Records as the "A500 owner with the bluest face and least detectable pulse rate".
Windows 8 on ARM? Absolutely
Windows 8 on the A500? Highly unlikely
Apparently there will be Windows 8 tablets coming out by the holiday shopping season. If any device will be able to natively run either Android or Windows (or even both in a dual-boot environment), it would most likely be on a device designed and marketed for Windows. In fact, now that I think about it, Android 5 (Jellybean?) will be expected around the same time. Seeing how Android has matured over the last few years, I expect this next version to blow us away. With any hopeful wishing, some tablet manufacturers may release the same hardware built to run both Windows and Android and sell them side-by-side. For example, a hypothetical Acer A900 and W900 would be exactly the same hardware, only difference being the OS, in which case they might just name such a tablet the T900A and T900W. Of course, this is just speculation. Also, I'm expecting a lot of these next-gen tablets to copy the design of the Transformer and Transformer Prime. These tablets will ship with a dock, and the UI will change according to how it's being used. In tablet mode, it will be in the Metro UI, then switch to a more familiar Windows UI when docked. If the hardware is being used interchangeably between Windows and Android, maybe Jellybean will feature different UI's based on which mode is being used. Take Cornerstone for example. Speculation once again, but this is what I'd like to see.
But yeah, as far as Windows on the A500... keep dreaming
Better luch if MS makes a tablet with a arm processor and some no decides to port it. Then you would have wp7 or whatever version they call it. I think right now that is the best you could hope for.
I agree with the above for the most part. I do belive Microsoft under estimated the efforts they would need to put into getting windows to run On arm.When and well If They do get a releasable product
(1) It will surely have one of the 3 fallowing problems . It will maybe run windows LIKE!!! programs And suck battery life.(BAD BAD AND A FAIL)
(2) It will Run windows Program like But be so Huge because of the extra batteries it will be to heavy to be useable.(Like the Current win 7 tabs.To big or no battery life.) This to would BE A BIG FAT FAIL.
(3) It will be a extension of the win phone operating system. The one that people complain about and toss and run back to android. Closed SOURCE very little development for it. Few but expensive apps.. WELL NOTHING MORE TO SAY BUT..
THIS TO IS A Near FAIL . They are huge and bulky or die Quickly..
I have 3 friends that have them. and pack charger and spair battery with them all the time..
The above are what i have been reading all over the web in one form or another..I also think there is something going on in the background behind peoples back.. I THINK LOCKING Devices to the installed OS will eventually be a non flash-able rom chip. with a secondary rom to incorporate updates and fixes to the first.. This would make devices obsolete much Quicker. Its becoming harder and harder for developers to break the boot loaders on these devices.
THE BOOT LOADER and its magic .. i feel is the reason acer has not release ICS. AND I BELIEVE THEY WILL NOT UNTIL THE FIX THIS
Just my Opinion. from what i have read over the last few months . There should be a international Protest NOt TO ACER OR ASUS or samsung .. BUT TO THE WORLD MANUFACTURERS. To get a law to disallow them to lock down NON CONTRACT DEVICES....
I've read a number of posts regarding the many difficulties involved in porting Windows 8 to the Kindle Fire. Is it conceivable that a future incarnation utilize the Windows 8 os?
Will not be possible. Ever. Hardware using windows 8 must be blessed by Microsoft themselves, and there are many, many other protections with it to ensure that it is only installed on authorized hardware. Sorry, its not going to happen.
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Will not be possible. Ever. Hardware using windows 8 must be blessed by Microsoft themselves, and there are many, many other protections with it to ensure that it is only installed on authorized hardware. Sorry, its not going to happen.
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I would not jump to that, yet. Windows, by definition, is more of a universal operating system VS Mac OS X. Windows can run legally in a Mac, but OS X cant be run legally on a PC. Windows was made for a wider range of hardware, and likewise, in theory, could run on a completely unauthorized device, maybe through hardware bypass. Let us see. Earlier, no one thought this $200 amazon tablet could run ICS (nearly) perfectly. They thought it was absurd. But we, as a community, of devs, contributors, and noobs, proved them wrong. And we could do it again with Windows 8
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.... But we, as a community, of devs, contributors, and noobs, proved them wrong. And we could do it again with Windows 8
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I beg of you , community, please don't do this.
I would much rather see Linux on here. Even if Windows 8 got ported to the Kindle Fire, it would STILL be Windows, and by definition would be a step (or two) down from Android.
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I would much rather see Linux on here. Even if Windows 8 got ported to the Kindle Fire, it would STILL be Windows, and by definition would be a step (or two) down from Android.
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I guess so. I too hate windows, but there are a few people who want this.
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It would be interesting to know the reason why someone would like to have Windows on the Kindle. Kindle is cool. Android is cool. Windows is not that cool any more. I am a user, a noob from my head to the tail. I judge by coolness.
Windows 8 is not Window Desktop
Just to be fair, you can't really compare Windows 8 on a fire to Windows and in what you have seen for years on the desktop computer. It will not have any of the Win32 code in it because a Fire is a non-Intel CPU. Instead Windows 8 where talking about here will be the predecessor to the Windows Phone OS that you see on the Windows 7 phone. Here you are talking about a completely different experience. A Windows 7 phone can be argued as a much better touch interface than Android and possibly even the famous iPhone. It hasn't gotten much popularity because Microsoft missed the ball in the "phone war", but anyone I've seen who has a Windows Phone loves it and swears by it. So porting Windows 8 to a fire if it can be done would be actually be pretty awesome. If you don't believe me go to your nearest cell phone shop and play with a Windows Phone.
As for me, I have an android phone myself and like it very much. So I'm not preaching Windows 8. It was just sensing a slanted opinion of the topic based on Microsoft's flaws in a complete different market, which it has nothing to do with this topic.
Windows RT is supposed to support ARM architecture processors which means that, technically yes, it could work.
Now considering that drivers are proprietary, porting may be much more difficult unless Microsoft already did their legwork.
Functionally, the KF may be underpowered based on the hardware requirements for Windows RT.
Which leads to the question of, do you need Windows RT for your KF, or do you just want too say that it can be done?
Even if you still believe Windows is some unstable, immature operating system, in what possible way would porting it to any platform be detrimental to you? Name one. If you don't like it, don't do anything. How easy is that? Personally, I'd love to see it running on existing hardware simply because it's that much less I have to spend on more test equipment for development. It wasn't that long ago people were *****ing and complaining about porting "that Android garbage" to their Windows Mobile devices like it was the end of their world. I doubt it'll ever happen but if it did, I'd be first in line to see if it ran on any of my devices.
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Even if you still believe Windows is some unstable, immature operating system, in what possible way would porting it to any platform be detrimental to you? Name one. If you don't like it, don't do anything. How easy is that? Personally, I'd love to see it running on existing hardware simply because it's that much less I have to spend on more test equipment for development. It wasn't that long ago people were *****ing and complaining about porting "that Android garbage" to their Windows Mobile devices like it was the end of their world. I doubt it'll ever happen but if it did, I'd be first in line to see if it ran on any of my devices.
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Wooaahh. Hold on there Discussion Police. No need to get all bent out of shape over this. I don't remember seeing anyone here being personally attacked for their interest in using the Kindle Fire to run Windows 8. I only see people sharing their opinions on whether it would be a good idea or not. It's strange, how you took it so personally.
That being said...
Besides the potential of modifying Microsoft's software and porting it to a device that's not approved being ILLEGAL, you still have do deal with the lack of support, sketchy business practices (legitcheck, anyone?) and serious privacy concerns.
So, it is my absolutely permitted yet Not So Humble Opinion that supporting a company that has probably done more to damage the open source community than all others combined is probably not a good idea. Or maybe that's just me.
But hey, if you'd like to continue paying $300+ for a sub standard OS....
(getting off my soapbox now)
Just to share my opinion, I have never touched Windows OS for a long long time and my life was so much better after that (productivity). My old lappy was so crappy the last time I loaded it with Windows, it's slow and so limited in what it can do. After I loaded my lappy with Arch Linux, all I can say is WOW, the speed was way way superior compared to Windows, and there're basically nothing you can't do with Linux. So yeah, I don't think Win 8 is a good option for Kindle Fire, especially with limited ram size like 512MB. I'd go crazy if someone able to bring a pure linux distro to Kindle Fire though
If you want windows 8 to say that you have it, it makes sense. But the developer who does port it will probably get sued by Microsoft.
Next, based on system requirements, performance with the OS is most likely going to be unbearable.
Which then again leads me to the question of what are you expecting out of a port of windows 8/RT?
If windows 8 gets ported to kindle fire, the viruses won't be far behind. I'm a pc tech shop owner i love windows for the fact it keeps me busy.
Curious as to what os you guys run.
I use osx and Linux mostly & windows for scanning hard drivez from other computers.
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Well I've been using Windows 8 for awhile now, and I love it. Now would I want out on my kindle fire, not sure. The version of windows 8 that will support hardware the fire hasn't been released yet, all we have is Intel based version. I can tell you thou as a tablet based Os is its brilliant, and when the full version is released, I will be picking up a windows 8 tablet. Haven't made decision yet whether I will go will arm or Intel based. Arm will have limitations over its Intel counterparts, but I'm sure the battery life will be far better.
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Personally I think that android is better because it's open source and has a great app store.I would suggest that if any one likes the windows 8 ui,he or she should wait for a theme to get the best from both worlds.
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Being that the hardware inside the KF is so cheap, I wouldn't bother. And I love Windows 8.
Yo, so I installed the windows phone 8 SDK today, only to figure out that most computers in this world will not run this SDK's emulator.
You will need in an i3 or better CPU from intel or equivalent from AMD (aka latest generation) to run the emulator.
You also have to run this emulator on windows 8 x64 (yep, it HAS to be x64, otherwise it won't work). This, by itself, asks for at least 4 GB of RAM to run the system at a decent speed, also forces you to upgrade to windows 8 (i got it for free due to msdn) and to get Visual Studio 12.
This is, in my opinion, a terrible move from microsoft.
Not everybody has CPUs that have all the requirements. In fact, not even all the newest CPUs have this requirement (Second Level Address Translation it is called). This, automatically, makes developers like me either:
get a new PC
Get a windows phone 8 device.
Luckily for me i have a fairly new laptop, which has an i3 CPU capable to run this stupid emulator.
On top of that, there comes the non-backward compatibility from wp8 to wp7.5 apps. Applications compiled for windows phone 8 SDK will not work on Windows phone 7.5, unless you make another project for 7.5, compile it as dll and reference it from your 8 app. This is kinda overkill.
Windows phone 8 will probably bring in a lot of users, but for developers, it is a blow to the head. I bet windows phone 8 submissions will be very, very low in the next 1 to 2 years.
So, is microsoft risking a bit too much with the switch from 7.5 to 8? On top of all the development slaughter, there's the non-upgradable old devices...
Good question , but it's been shockingly quiet in here. One would think that after a new launch the forum would be jumping with activity.
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Good question , but it's been shockingly quiet in here. One would think that after a new launch the forum would be jumping with activity.
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Well, to be honest, I think XDA isn't a good place for MS/WP anymore and I guess most of them know that. Just look at the front page, not even a single article/news about the Windows (Phone) 8 launch events. It's just android. Even the forum sections for the HTC 8X/S and Samsung ATIV S are missing whereas all the new Google devices have been added shortly after their announcement. So you see, even XDAdev isn't really well after Windows Phone at all.
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Well, to be honest, I think XDA isn't a good place for MS/WP anymore ....So you see, even XDAdev isn't really well after Windows Phone at all.
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so, what forums do wp dev's hang out ?
Are there any lol? I saw about 6 new apps, and one of them (Pandora) won't be out until sometime in 2013!
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MSDN forums for example or prior to launch those who were part of the developer preview program had a closed discussion forum on Microsoft Connect, die to the NDA it was not allowed to discuss the information publicly.
On the CPU requirements - yes it sucks and there are other issues with the Emulator like missing 3d acceleration die to the fact it uses HyperV which does not have that capability. Still I would not suggest for people to develop for any platform without being able to test on a real device. This will be possible even without the Emulator.
I disagree with your assumption that we won't see Apps for WP8. Devs who write software for Windows 8 also need a Windows 8 installation, so people who think of porting those Apps will most likely have the infrastructure in place already. For higher profile the costs of a development machine would not be that problematic and C++ as well as middleware support for many gaming engines will make for a lot easier porting of existing Games from other platforms.
The people for which these changes really suck are student developers lile you and me. Only my Windows tablet currently supports the Emulator (Core i5). But still it is a lot nicer then the situation with the Android Emulator in my experience. The later is running to slow for anything iseful on my Core 2 Quad Desktop so I have to use the device for debugging anyway. Additionally only the WP Emulators have Multi-Touch support so I can test those features without deploying to the device.
Concerning XDAs, it has always been more about hacking and tinkering on the system level then user software development. Given that Android due to it's Open Source nature allows for a lot more in that regard it takes no wonder that there is a lot more going on with those than witj WP. Also market share and number of devoces makes for a difference as well.
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All in all WP8 announcement was not that good...
also, they didn't release the SDK for us devs in order to build nice apps ready to be distributed for new win8 devices...Making us wait for months like if winphone had killer features hidden..and then it was the same old stuff so... i'm also considering to jump the android ship...
StevieBallz said:
MSDN forums for example or prior to launch those who were part of the developer preview program had a closed discussion forum on Microsoft Connect, die to the NDA it was not allowed to discuss the information publicly.
On the CPU requirements - yes it sucks and there are other issues with the Emulator like missing 3d acceleration die to the fact it uses HyperV which does not have that capability. Still I would not suggest for people to develop for any platform without being able to test on a real device. This will be possible even without the Emulator.
I disagree with your assumption that we won't see Apps for WP8. Devs who write software for Windows 8 also need a Windows 8 installation, so people who think of porting those Apps will most likely have the infrastructure in place already. For higher profile the costs of a development machine would not be that problematic and C++ as well as middleware support for many gaming engines will make for a lot easier porting of existing Games from other platforms.
The people for which these changes really suck are student developers lile you and me. Only my Windows tablet currently supports the Emulator (Core i5). But still it is a lot nicer then the situation with the Android Emulator in my experience. The later is running to slow for anything iseful on my Core 2 Quad Desktop so I have to use the device for debugging anyway. Additionally only the WP Emulators have Multi-Touch support so I can test those features without deploying to the device.
Concerning XDAs, it has always been more about hacking and tinkering on the system level then user software development. Given that Android due to it's Open Source nature allows for a lot more in that regard it takes no wonder that there is a lot more going on with those than witj WP. Also market share and number of devoces makes for a difference as well.
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ya, I saw that w8 64bit was required to develope at all, and thought wow, why would you limit developers to a brand new unproven ecosystem?
the prehighschool kids are going to be the ones with real innovation, new thinking, and the next Facebook, (I hate fb, but you get the idea) without them, what do you have? Office? really , just Office?
ohgood said:
ya, I saw that w8 64bit was required to develope at all, and thought wow, why would you limit developers to a brand new unproven ecosystem?
the prehighschool kids are going to be the ones with real innovation, new thinking, and the next Facebook, (I hate fb, but you get the idea) without them, what do you have? Office? really , just Office?
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64 bit is likely to not be the big issue here. I haven't seen to many 32 bit Windows 7 machines. The more problematic move is to lock out everyone who is not using Windows 8. Given that students have access to Windows 8, Visual Studio and the Marketplace for free through Dreamspark that does not sound as that big an issue to me.
In the end it seems they had a reason to go with Hyper-V and Windows-8 simply is the only Desktop operating system which has Hyper-V functionality. The biggest problem is that hardware that is older then 2 years does not support the needed virtualization modes.
How the ecosystem argument plays into this I don't really understand but I guess you meant: new OS that has not that big an installed base yet. Well 4 million upgrades over the last 4 days, not counting the people who bought it with new Hardware or downloaded it from MSDN or Dreamspark it seems to go big rather quickly.
The emulator is a crucial part of application development.
I don't think you want to bring in your early app in alpha stages or even earlier than that on your phone, simply because:
a) you don't have it.
b) Your code might cause damage to the phone, especially on things that use hardware components like vibrators, camera, leds and stuff like that. An unleaded exception can wreck havoc on your phone.
c) The emulator is faster.
Yes, you will eventually need a windows phone 8 device before you publish it, but you should be able to develop your apps before you even have one...
The windows 8 issue is not big. The upgrade from win7 costs like 50 bucks. It is really not that much of an effort.
The insane hardware requirements are, however, and most PCs will not have them. From intel's side, only i3, i5 and i7 processors have what they need, and Pentium dual core for sandy bridge won't...
This is the biggest issue here.
ohgood said:
so, what forums do wp dev's hang out ?
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i'm just a noob, but i think when the devs don't hang out here they hang out nowhere or compared to android extremely rare so that it makes no sense to spend time on...
I wish WP8 RT a good future with Dualboot Android.