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Hi everyone,
I´ve got a question, it won´t get out of mind:
What about UI guidelines for ALL developers and applications ? What about a collection of graphics and tutorials so every app gets a proper interface?
Apple does this with OS X and iPhone, and as far as I know it works. So why don´t start something like this with WindowsMobile ?
I´m dreaming of some kind of Xda-Devs library which is a wiki as well as a resource for graphics and animation frameworks. If we put our talents and efforts together I think this is doable !
It's a nice idea, but why? You say Apple does this, but it's why we have WinMo ! Everything is different, don't want everything looking the same!
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It's a nice idea, but why? You say Apple does this, but it's why we have WinMo ! Everything is different, don't want everything looking the same!
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*lol* You got that wrong, I don´t want to look everything the same. But we could increase the popularity and usability of WM immense if we could provide some kind of library.
I´m not talking about apps which are skinable. I´m talking about replacing the standard WinForms, so it looks nicer and is more fingerfriendly.
And when you say the different styles make WM unique - you wanna tell me missing usability is an argument to buy an WM phone ?!?
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It's a nice idea, but why? You say Apple does this, but it's why we have WinMo ! Everything is different, don't want everything looking the same!
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Actually EVERYONE does this. Gnome, KDE, Apple, Microsoft all spend lots of time and money on the research of UI Guidelines. Its brings the whole community so much close and leads to a fluint interface experience. Apple and the latest versions of KDE being a case in point. If we as a community lay down some guidlines on what works best where with Touch, Stylus and keyboard navigation we will already be one step closer to more usable devices. Being a programmer by trade I spend hours making sure that my UI is as close to what ppl are use to ATM ie: The Office 2007 UI. So many ppl are upgrading to this new look and feel. So my application needs to follow suit since it gets used withing corporate environments
Thats just my 2c. Hope its well spent
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*lol* You got that wrong, I don´t want to look everything the same. But we could increase the popularity and usability of WM immense if we could provide some kind of library.
I´m not talking about apps which are skinable. I´m talking about replacing the standard WinForms, so it looks nicer and is more fingerfriendly.
And when you say the different styles make WM unique - you wanna tell me missing usability is an argument to buy an WM phone ?!?
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I was under the assumption that the desired direction, judging by all of the most popular apps on this site, was to have apps that were fully skinable and completely finger friendly (at least where it makes sense).
Personally, i think if we follow the style like iphone of designing their apps, it would be quite boring, this forum apps would not be special anymore. However, i think there would be advantages too.
Precisely hazeline, we should figure out what works for us and work from there. When you look at apps like Manilla 2D and TouchFlo 3D even though they are great they are lacking some basic fluincy.
Im gonna have a look over then next week and see if I can knock together something for facebook for our WinMo devices. It seems like this would a good start for me to see what I would like changed in a basic UI
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cornelha said:
Precisely hazeline, we should figure out what works for us and work from there. When you look at apps like Manilla 2D and TouchFlo 3D even though they are great they are lacking some basic fluincy.
Im gonna have a look over then next week and see if I can knock together something for facebook for our WinMo devices. It seems like this would a good start for me to see what I would like changed in a basic UI
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absolutely agree. When I first saw the facebook shots I thought "wow, we need those gfx for other apps". So, any (Xperia) users in here, what about extracting those gfx for us ?
regards,
Martin
I noticed Microsoft released some sort of guide for developers a few days ago, you can find it here: http://www.codeplex.com/AppArch/Release/ProjectReleases.aspx?ReleaseId=19798
I also tried to copy the Facebook-Panel style, don´t criticise me, I just did this in a couple of minutes, if I put some efforts in this it would look definetely better
Although this thread isn´t that crowded I still hope this becomes a big community project, it IS possible, there are some many talented people in here !
regards,
Martin
m.schmidler said:
I also tried to copy the Facebook-Panel style, don´t criticise me, I just did this in a couple of minutes, if I put some efforts in this it would look definetely better
regards,
Martin
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Believe me, it's NOT that bad..
and I like the idea too...
We could implement some sort of XDA-Oficial Theme...
And this way we would have at least some common ground from were to start..
I also develop for the device, and too often, my major worry/problem is how to go for a Nice graphical interface...
It would also be goo to have some sort of listing of Graphic experienced users, willing to help developers...
thx but as I said, I really could do a complete set of such graphics...problem is I´m busy with school and as you may know with the TL theme as well.
My intention is to really get all devs and designers in here and discuss how to create a basis which every developer can build upon.
I don´t know the differences between C++ and C# apps but maybe someone tells me how difficult it is to develop a framework for animations which everyone can use.
The outcome should be what script.aculo.us is for web-developers.
Graphics should be created according to a certain pattern, so we should create a list of button-types which every designer can refer to.
regards,
Martin
Well, it's more than just questions.
I have the HD2 and I really enjoy it. Think it's a great piece of hardware. WM6.5 gets the job done for the most part, but I can understand some of the concerns with the OS. It's good to hear that you guys are already working on WM7 and the port to this phone!
Truth is, I put my coin in google's corner, so I'm hoping that Android finds its way into the HD2 via T Mobile.
I'm a bit tech savy, been involved with computer animation and can build computers as well. I thought I ask about the learning curve when it comes to development on PDA's such as mine. With the drop of Android, I flirted with the idea of learning code.
Is Android Linux based?
You guys hear anything about Android getting a port to this phone? I've done the google search and can only find the sprint version of HD2 with Android installed. That does nothing for TMobile customers.
I read up a bit on XDA and they appear legit. My concern is code being used for identity theft. Anyone have bad experiences with XDA and the software that is released here for share? Does the software under go some sort of QA before it's provided for download?
I have no problem with donations, trust is what earns my donations...fair enough, right?
Ultimately, I really like this phone and look forward to further enhancing it...I hear XDA is the place to be!
Thanks guys/gals.
FAQ's and sticky threads are your friend as is google.
Try reading abit, get a feel for the site.. Then ask..
Yes Winmo7 is being ported to the touch HD, though at the moment it's sluggish due to lack of graphical acceleration (and not really something i"m excited by since it doesn't have copy and paste and no multitasking. IMHO it's really more like an iphone/toy meant for none-techy people).
I don't expect an official update/ROM for the HD2 with android to ever be released by htc/tmobile. However, I would be surprised if one wasn't ported by xda from other devices (like nexus/evo 4g).
Yes, android is unix based. (develepment done in java (for upper stuff) and C (for lower stuff)).
Anything you download and install from xda you do so at your own risk. However, I would argue that the risk is minimal (almost none existent) as long as you follow directions and read posts. The only thing that can brick your phone is a failed radio/SPL update/change. Anything else can be cured by a hard reset.
(and what kable said)
As unfriendly as my reply may seem, for a "tech savvy" guy you asked several questions which would have been abundantly answered if you properly used the search tools of the forum, or if you simply browsed through the most active threads
ephestione said:
As unfriendly as my reply may seem, for a "tech savvy" guy you asked several questions which would have been abundantly answered if you properly used the search tools of the forum, or if you simply browsed through the most active threads
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Thick skin...you grouches don't faze me
I've been through the site a bit, what can I say, life outside of the computer caught up and I got a little impatient!
I'm still reading through the forum. Have yet to find an answer to this question.
If I install Android on my HD2 (US), something goes wrong...will I be able to do a hard reset, or reinstall WM6.5?
I really think Android would benefit more out of this hardware. It seems as if everything Unix based always requires less resources and gets the job done!
I also would like to know how I can uninstall these game demos that are eating up space? Will this be a registry edit?
I feel as if Android would FLY on this device. WM6.5 is getting the job done, but it's to late for Microsoft with me. I've used Linux for some time and I just think it's better. Huge supporter of Linux!
Devils1stBorn said:
Thick skin...you grouches don't faze me
I've been through the site a bit, what can I say, life outside of the computer caught up and I got a little impatient!
I'm still reading through the forum. Have yet to find an answer to this question.
If I install Android on my HD2 (US), something goes wrong...will I be able to do a hard reset, or reinstall WM6.5?
I really think Android would benefit more out of this hardware. It seems as if everything Unix based always requires less resources and gets the job done!
I also would like to know how I can uninstall these game demos that are eating up space? Will this be a registry edit?
I feel as if Android would FLY on this device. WM6.5 is getting the job done, but it's to late for Microsoft with me. I've used Linux for some time and I just think it's better. Huge supporter of Linux!
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oh, no grouches intended (and the "I have a life" excuse is old )
There's no way to install Android on the HD2, currently, that's why you couldn't find on these forums how to uninstall it from the hd2
Game demos were not included in my stock rom, if you're using a customized rom from a carrier, then either you find and delete the relevant files, if that's even possible, or you flash a clean custom rom from the rom dev forums which includes onyl the necessary software... but then again, I know all this info because I found it on the forums
ephestione said:
oh, no grouches intended (and the "I have a life" excuse is old )
There's no way to install Android on the HD2, currently, that's why you couldn't find on these forums how to uninstall it from the hd2
Game demos were not included in my stock rom, if you're using a customized rom from a carrier, then either you find and delete the relevant files, if that's even possible, or you flash a clean custom rom from the rom dev forums which includes onyl the necessary software... but then again, I know all this info because I found it on the forums
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Look at you, browsing through forums and stuff. When I grow up, I wanna be just like you.
Thanks for the info. I do have a custom ROM from TMOUS. Has games like guitar hero, prince of persia...more bloated ware. I estimate about 30 mbps of used space.
Devils1stBorn said:
Look at you, browsing through forums and stuff. When I grow up, I wanna be just like you.
Thanks for the info. I do have a custom ROM from TMOUS. Has games like guitar hero, prince of persia...more bloated ware. I estimate about 30 mbps of used space.
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If they allow you to uninstall the games this is how you would go about it:
Go to the settings tab in Sense -> menu(lower right corner) -> all settings -> system -> remove programs.
Now the other option would be to flash your current rom to something faster and less bloated. T-Mobile US Rom Development Forum
I definitely recommend you read the Stickies before going about flashing your phone. If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask! Would suck if you brick your new HD2 just because you didn't! This is what these forums are for despite what some members might claim.
As for your other questions yes Android is Unix based and is probably going to be available for the HD2 sometime in the future(don't ask when). There's already a dual boot app so when Android becomes available switching between the two operating systems should be a breeze.
Welcome to the forums and enjoy your new phone!
Hi,
A bit irrrelevant to reply here, but I did not any other place. Have been following this forum for quite sometime. Been around with windows mobile app development for sometime. But what really interest me is when people from this forum tweaks Rom image or port to other harware. Here things look quite easy. Is it really easy? I saw one single person tweaking a ROM image and porting to different hardware?
Hope I have not offended anyone.
- Herojit
Toss3 said:
If they allow you to uninstall the games this is how you would go about it:
Go to the settings tab in Sense -> menu(lower right corner) -> all settings -> system -> remove programs.
Now the other option would be to flash your current rom to something faster and less bloated.
I definitely recommend you read the Stickies before going about flashing your phone. If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask! Would suck if you brick your new HD2 just because you didn't! This is what these forums are for despite what some members might claim.
As for your other questions yes Android is Unix based and is probably going to be available for the HD2 sometime in the future(don't ask when). There's already a dual boot app so when Android becomes available switching between the two operating systems should be a breeze.
Welcome to the forums and enjoy your new phone!
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Thanks. And no, it only allows me to uninstall apps I've installed after the initial setup. I've been through system files and the sorts and I can only find icons and other "blah" that's not the actual install directory. I show all the hidden files and still, can't find it.
Yeah, I'm looking forward to Android. Don't need the dual boot. Just a solid port with solid drivers.
Sorry everyone for the irrelevant post again.
I was hoping that someone will reply saying - "porting ROM is not a big deal, this is how you do it"
- Herojit
herojits said:
Sorry everyone for the irrelevant post again.
I was hoping that someone will reply saying - "porting ROM is not a big deal, this is how you do it"
- Herojit
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Say what?
What's with your post?
OP. I'll port Android on HD2 for you for $50. You gotta send me your phone tho.
I am a tek savy guy too. I fix microwaves!
FloatHeavy said:
OP. I'll port Android on HD2 for you for $50. You gotta send me your phone tho.
I am a tek savy guy too. I fix microwaves!
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Epic fail.
one thing that has been alittle pain is how the albums are viewed. i created an album for videos, yet when i view I can't have a name of the file visable, just a thumbnail. that doesn't work well at all. works fine with pictures cuz what you see is what you. videos start with a black screen; becomes a guessing game. am i missing something?
Hi,
I am newbie on HTC HD2. It seems really good phone. I am happy to have it but I want to add some interesting apps on it to make it mine. I am not talking about wallpapers or screens. I mean other usefull apps . When I search apps section I can not see much. I belive it is new phone so not have much apps. When I read boards peoples says if I make my phone ANDROID ( I do not even know what it means) i will be able to have lots more apps. I am not good on systems so I scare I broke my phone and will not be able to fix it. For windows it is easy . I can go on market and pick what I like and phone automatic install it or I can get cab file from here and instal it. Please tell me if can run android and windows together? Or I better stay away from it? I read on board android is not developed yet and even good htc users having problems. Maybe someone assist me about it?
Regards
Okan
Dude I understand your problem, but seriously there is nothin like rocket science over here..!!!
Unless you develop that is..!!!
Anyways I suggest you search the thread properly you'll find what you need..!!!
I also presume this thread will be closed soon..!!!
okan11 said:
Hi,
I am newbie on HTC HD2. It seems really good phone. I am happy to have it but I want to add some interesting apps on it to make it mine. I am not talking about wallpapers or screens. I mean other usefull apps . When I search apps section I can not see much. I belive it is new phone so not have much apps. When I read boards peoples says if I make my phone ANDROID ( I do not even know what it means) i will be able to have lots more apps. I am not good on systems so I scare I broke my phone and will not be able to fix it. For windows it is easy . I can go on market and pick what I like and phone automatic install it or I can get cab file from here and instal it. Please tell me if can run android and windows together? Or I better stay away from it? I read on board android is not developed yet and even good htc users having problems. Maybe someone assist me about it?
I understand you love your phone! We all do! But this forum was made for Android Development only! And yes you can run Android on your phone and take advantage of all the apps the android market offers!
Regards
Okan
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Ok...take a deep breath and think zen. ;-)
First of all, this is not a question you should bother developers with. They are, suprise suprise, busy developing.
Considering your experience with the hd2, my personal advice is to keep WinMo and search the forums for your cabs. You can customize about everything on your WinMo. You just need to invest some time and energy in it.
If you are stubborn like me...read further:
Yes it's possible to run Android and WinMo on your hd2. If you're new to linux/android/hd2 it'll cost you more time and energy to understand it all.
Very Important:
To install Android besides WinMo, please make sure you have read and understood this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=732380
Also, make sure you read and understand this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=734335
Please make sure you know what you're doing before you start using Android. It's not that you'll brick your phone, but you'll risk being flamed for asking questions which already have been asked 100 times before.
Good luck and be careful!
Ok I will read more. thanks.
dusdus said:
Ok...take a deep breath and think zen. ;-)
First of all, this is not a question you should bother developers with. They are, suprise suprise, busy developing.
Considering your experience with the hd2, my personal advice is to keep WinMo and search the forums for your cabs. You can customize about everything on your WinMo. You just need to invest some time and energy in it.
If you are stubborn like me...read further:
Yes it's possible to run Android and WinMo on your hd2. If you're new to linux/android/hd2 it'll cost you more time and energy to understand it all.
Very Important:
To install Android besides WinMo, please make sure you have read and understood this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=732380
Also, make sure you read and understand this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=734335
Please make sure you know what you're doing before you start using Android. It's not that you'll brick your phone, but you'll risk being flamed for asking questions which already have been asked 100 times before.
Good luck and be careful!
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Thank you for the helpful post!
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Ok I will read more. thanks.
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Please do before you open a new thread!
Hi guys,
I've been wondering whether the real reason of forbidding "best rom" threads is because it'll make people only download certain ROM's thus some lesser known ROM's won't be downloaded and it'll make the chefs sad? Because the chance of a "best ROM" thread causing an endless debate is low. We're all grownups here
"Best rom" is quite a subjective term and leads to a thread having hundreds of opinions but nothing concrete. If anything it lets people get a crowd majority.
I use Dutty's creme de la creme because I personally like:
- feels like I get better battery life than stock or energy based on my own personal tests
- 2g/3g toggle in communications manager app automatically
- slide to unlock on the bottom of the screen instead of the top when waking the phone
- 12 icons instead of 9
- task manager in system notifications
- start menu on bottom left
Finally! someone who knows about 'best'.
Can i ask a favour? Im dbuying a new car soon, whats the best colour to go for?
Thanks in advance.
EDIT - sorry, but i have another question whilst we're on it. Whats the best music to listen to please?
Thanks again.
Well no, more because it is useless...
Best ROM threads are not forbidden, just useless.
The best ROM is the ROM that fullfills the most of your personal needs.
Since there are 6 billion people on the world with varying needs, there are at least 6 million different needs.
How to weigh?
eg for some people 1 hour extra standby is more crucial 3D video performance.
So How to grade?
Some people do not mind offering up stability if they get more batterylife or more performance.
How to grade?
Best ROM suggests absolute truth, in case of ROMS there is no absolute truth, as people differ, their needs are different and the relative importance for their needs is different:
Take two business analists (A and B) :
They need just office 2010, WIFI access, Internet and phone, and their agenda, tasks, GPS for navigation and an occasional game (teeter will do)
Performance for Navigation is very important. WiFi access is also very important.
Still one analyst will offer 1 hour of standby in order to have more fluent GPS navigation at 25 fps, while the other is more prone to longer batterylife, even if this means navigation will "stutter" at 2 fps
Suppose also there are two ROMS (X and Y) Rom x fulfilling all wishes analist A, Rom y fullfillig allwishes of analist 2.
Now tell me whichof the two ROMs is best?
Have I illustrated sufficeintly how pointless these thraeds are, or should I be even more more elaborate?
Off course it is disappointing for chefs if their ROM is not liked, but a good chef will tweak his recipe so more people will start liking his work.
Wilco, samsamuel, I'm off to bed with the biggest smile on my face!!!!!!
samsamuel said:
Finally! someone who knows about 'best'.
Can i ask a favor? Im buying a new car soon, whats the best color to go for?
Thanks in advance.
EDIT - sorry, but i have another question whilst we're on it. Whats the best music to listen to please?
Thanks again.
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Rofl
Love it sam
samsamuel said:
Finally! someone who knows about 'best'.
Can i ask a favour? Im dbuying a new car soon, whats the best colour to go for?
Thanks in advance.
EDIT - sorry, but i have another question whilst we're on it. Whats the best music to listen to please?
Thanks again.
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well, that's not really fair. color and music are entirely personal preference. whereas with ROM, there's some definite factors that will help us choosing the "best" ROM: looks, battery, apps, ease of use, speed, and many many more. so if asking about best ROM is useless, so it's useless too to ask about best laptop, cell phone, etc., no? yes, it depends of what you need, but when people ask about best they just want to know the best overall-wise. and it won't hurt to share your opinion of what's best. see the reply from ap3604 up there.
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looks,
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completely subjective, using looks as a 'best' decider is the same as me saying which colour is best. Some like sense, some hate it, some like the gtx theme, i think its terrible, some want chunky bright coloured icons, others want dark icons
battery
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Some are heavy wifi users. sopme are gamers, others talk all the time on the phone. The radio you use is probably the biggest measureable factor in battery life, and we all know how arbitrary the radios are,,, great for one person, terrible for the next, so again, a totaly useless comparator
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Any rom that has the right apps for every user is gonna be so bloated as to be pointless. Theres not a user here who would use 24% of the apps in such a rom. A totaly arbitrary way of deciding on best.
ease of use
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The way i find easiest to do tasks is not gonna be teh same as the way you do things, and the way x y and z do things. Some want HTC messaging, some want MS messaging, , which is best? Well theyre both best, depending what you want.
speed,
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A fast rom wont have eye candy, it wont have loads of apps running, so it wont fulfill your desired looks and apps categories, therefore it will be a trade off, and every person will trade those differently. Some will preffer no sense at all, in exchange for fast response, others will use sense with cookies hometab and tons of background apps and still consider a rom fast. Subjective.
So you see, THIS rom is the best, but so is THIS rom, and THIS rom, and THIS rom, and THIS rom, and THIS rom.
Which is best for you, however, only you can say.
At the end of the day, there isn't THAT much difference between the majority of the hd2 roms, its mostly surface differences. You can pretty much take any rom and make it much like any other rom. The ones that get the most downloads arent necessarily the 'best', they're just the ones that get updated most often, thus fulfilling the flash adicts needs for 'new new new', released by good chefs who support the userbase.
So which one's the best?
this one is teh one i considered best before i started to cook my own, sadly the chef moved on in february. On the PLUS side he gave me the kitchen to get me started, and i applied my own tweaks directly into it, so no more restoring serttings when i hard reset, cos theyre all hard coded, so now MINE is best!
that was easy. now everyone knows that best rom is by samsamuel. how about closing the thread now??
this thread is awesome!!!!!!
that is all for now!
let's put it this way...
instead of a thread about the best rom, why not make a thread (or whatever else) with a matrix comparison list? This will allow everyone to compare one or more roms and choose the best rom for himself ;-)
thegios said:
let's put it this way...
instead of a thread about the best rom, why not make a thread (or whatever else) with a matrix comparison list? This will allow everyone to compare one or more roms and choose the best rom for himself ;-)
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there are already a few threads that started to do that, none complete. you offering to go through teh roms and benchmark them, and make note of their includes/excludes? it'd make a nice evening project.
thegios said:
let's put it this way...
instead of a thread about the best rom, why not make a thread (or whatever else) with a matrix comparison list? This will allow everyone to compare one or more roms and choose the best rom for himself ;-)
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I agree.
However, since there are so many roms, updating cery fast, keeping this matrix up to data will almost be a full-time job. That's also why every initiative has stranded. It is just to much work.
If cooks would maintain their rom in a matrix.....
But still it would only be about functionality (and perhaps known bugs). If one would include battery life and stability, testing will be a big effort, especially if one chooses to integrate battery life..... even more
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so if asking about best ROM is useless, so it's useless too to ask about best laptop, cell phone, etc., no?
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Pretty much yes! I wanted to know what would be the best native android phone sgs or htc dh. Simple question, right? Apparently not. 8 Pages in with folks unable to decide which is the best.
So with devices/roms so similar it really does come down to personal opinion based on attributes sam is more able/willing to explain than i.
Dont get me wrong i trawled thru many rom threads wanting the 'best' and soon realised the question was simple. the answer? anything but!
I hate these threads, they are so ****ing redundant...
Please peoples don't open each time a new thread fore "with rom is the best"!
No it isn't forbidding, but it is useless!!
Reason way, What is Best? Best is abstract!
something good fore me isn't fore someone els.
reason:
-use
-personal taste (how to measure this?)
-personal needs (professional/private use?)
-Language
-Options
-...
You see?
You know it will be easy fore some user to have such list, but here you have a big tip: Experience/Traying give you knowledge.
And what stops you if the rom you install don't satisfy you? nothing you just take a other one!
People usually get way too bent out of shape over newbie threads (Im surprised no one has rudely said "SEARCH DAMNIT!" already)
Instead of asking for the best though, I would ask a more specific question like: "Based on your guys exoerience, which rom gives you the best battery life?"
Having a debate about best roms here its like having a discussion of politic and religion you just cant get the right answer or a nice answer. Same goes with people bricking their phones and asking the same question over and over people get stoned for that. LOL this forums its like the streets you gotta know how to walk them and know who to ask and what to ask its a cold cold strees I mean forum.
There are several old threads about dual-booting, and using this particular phone. I want Windows 6.5 or less and/or a desktop version of windows (because of certain apps)... and Android 4.0+ Is it possible? Would this phone be too slow... Is there a better phone that could do it? Is there no phone that could do it?
robertkjr3d said:
There are several old threads about dual-booting, and using this particular phone. I want Windows 6.5 or less and/or a desktop version of windows (because of certain apps)... and Android 4.0+ Is it possible? Would this phone be too slow... Is there a better phone that could do it? Is there no phone that could do it?
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I'm not sure about desktop Windows but as for Android just place the ROM folder on the root of your SD card then run CLRCAD and HARET and it should work just fine. No other phone can do it as well as the HD2 (if they can do it at all).
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I'm not sure about desktop Windows but as for Android just place the ROM folder on the root of your SD card then run CLRCAD and HARET and it should work just fine. No other phone can do it as well as the HD2 (if they can do it at all).
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Thankx for replying... I've posted on a few forums and haven't received anything till now. Anyway: So what you are saying is buy this HD2 phone preloaded with the Win 6.5 OS... Then put Android 4.0+ on the SDCard and boot into that. I would really want to run Android most of the time. I would connect the Android OS to my AT&T and make calls with it... and only use Win 6.5 rarely.
Questions:
1) Are there examples of people actually doing this? recently?... or just back in the days of 2.2 which as I mentioned in the 1st thread, i found many google links/forum threads on.
2) Can I still get to the Android market and all normal apps, and not have other DRM issues?
3) Since the OS is actually on the SDCard, and I hit the reset, would it automatically go to Windows, when I reset?
robertkjr3d said:
Thankx for replying... I've posted on a few forums and haven't received anything till now. Anyway: So what you are saying is buy this HD2 phone preloaded with the Win 6.5 OS... Then put Android 4.0+ on the SDCard and boot into that. I would really want to run Android most of the time. I would connect the Android OS to my AT&T and make calls with it... and only use Win 6.5 rarely.
Questions:
1) Are there examples of people actually doing this? recently?... or just back in the days of 2.2 which as I mentioned in the 1st thread, i found many google links/forum threads on.
2) Can I still get to the Android market and all normal apps, and not have other DRM issues?
3) Since the OS is actually on the SDCard, and I hit the reset, would it automatically go to Windows, when I reset?
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Come on, you don't even have to search to get your answer, just browse to the SD Android development forum. You're just being lazy now.
Nigeldg said:
I'm not sure about desktop Windows but as for Android just place the ROM folder on the root of your SD card then run CLRCAD and HARET and it should work just fine. No other phone can do it as well as the HD2 (if they can do it at all).
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Nigeldg said:
Come on, you don't even have to search to get your answer, just browse to the SD Android development forum. You're just being lazy now.
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From Star Trek: Sarek said: "It is difficult to answer, when one does not understand the question." Or in my case, it was difficult to go looking for the answer, when not understanding how supposedly easy it was to find. Us IT people are in the business of making others feel stupid often, but we don't have to flaunt it.
Yes this is a good link, that now you have so eloquently pointed out: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1986437
robertkjr3d said:
From Star Trek: Sarek said: "It is difficult to answer, when one does not understand the question." Or in my case, it was difficult to go looking for the answer, when not understanding how supposedly easy it was to find. Us IT people are in the business of making others feel stupid often, but we don't have to flaunt it.
Yes this is a good link, that now you have so eloquently pointed out: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1986437
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There's a difference between not knowing/understanding and simply not trying. This was quite obviously the latter. I'm not trying to make you feel stupid at all, in fact you're probably the opposite since you're going to buy an HD2 . I'm just saying that you weren't exactly trying to find the answer and just wanted to be spoon fed, and as someone who's new to this you're probably going to have a lot of questions along the way and it's better to learn how to find the answers yourself than to just get given them because it's faster and better for everyone.
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There's a difference between not knowing/understanding and simply not trying. This was quite obviously the latter. I'm not trying to make you feel stupid at all, in fact you're probably the opposite since you're going to buy an HD2 . I'm just saying that you weren't exactly trying to find the answer and just wanted to be spoon fed, and as someone who's new to this you're probably going to have a lot of questions along the way and it's better to learn how to find the answers yourself than to just get given them because it's faster and better for everyone.
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If you wish to keep noobs as noobs, and turn them away, then continue to use sarcasm. But if you wish to turn noobs into contributors, and receive more thanks, than you treat them with respect. --- I've been looking for weeks for the right place. I wish to upgrade my phone soon, but not in that big of a hurry.
You wish me to defend myself? OK. Your XDA site is huge with a vast array of forum links. I was not aware I would need to look under HTC development'. I didn't know it had anything to do with Development.... Sorry (why am I apologizing to you?). To me software development is when someone programs an application that runs on a Win-mobile and/or Android device better known as an 'app'. Or what I do... I am a software developer for the asp.net environment. When searching for dual-booting as I said in the 1st thread I get tons of threads from years ago about Android 2.2. The same happens when searching from google. Is it really that easy to find as you say? Unless like you, you know exactly where to look. 'It is easy to find the answers, when you know right where to look', 'you understood the question'... but I did not know where even to look!
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If you wish to keep noobs as noobs, and turn them away, then continue to use sarcasm. But if you wish to turn noobs into contributors, and receive more thanks, than you treat them with respect. --- I've been looking for weeks for the right place. I wish to upgrade my phone soon, but not in that big of a hurry.
You wish me to defend myself? OK. Your XDA site is huge with a vast array of forum links. I was not aware I would need to look under HTC development'. I didn't know it had anything to do with Development.... Sorry (why am I apologizing to you?). To me software development is when someone programs an application that runs on a Win-mobile and/or Android device better known as an 'app'. Or what I do... I am a software developer for the asp.net environment. When searching for dual-booting as I said in the 1st thread I get tons of threads from years ago about Android 2.2. The same happens when searching from google. Is it really that easy to find as you say? Unless like you, you know exactly where to look. 'It is easy to find the answers, when you know right where to look', 'you understood the question'... but I did not know where even to look!
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There was no sarcasm in my post at all, but now I'm going to be quite blunt. You're acting like an idiot. I understand why you may think software development is to do with apps but when there are two separate forums for NAND and SD then it should be obvious that it's not. I was 14 and I managed to figure out how to install SD Android without any help whatsoever, I refuse to believe that a software programmer couldn't figure it out. You wished to dual boot WinMo and Android on your SD card on an HTC HD2:
1. Find XDA
2. Find the HD2 forum
3. Oh look, it has a section called 'Android'. The answer's probably in there somewhere
4. I want to boot Android on my SD card. Conveniently, there's a forum dedicated to SD Android. I wonder if there are modern ROMs there
5. Whoa, threads with ICS and JB ROMs as well as guides on how to install them. I guess I've found my solution.
Yes, it's just as easy to find as I say if not easier. Steps 1, 2, 3 and 4 could have been solved with Google.
I couldn't care less about thanks, they're not a very good reflection of... well, anything really. I've seen people with 0 thanks post amazingly useful guides (in fact I think the guide I first followed to flash NAND Android was someone's first post) and people with thousands of thanks ask 'best ROM' questions. Whilst it would be great to turn more people into contributors it'll be impossible for you to become one if you don't put any effort in yourself.
Because this thread went off the rails I am going to close it, but here's the quick rundown:
if you want to dual-boot WM6.5 and Android, you can do so using the haret method mentioned. Yes it is fully featured (market etc.) and yes when you restart you boot back into WM6.5, but you can boot into Android really fast after that if you want.
You can also dual-boot WP7 with Android, put Android on NAND or other options.
Searching really is the key, I know the HD2 forums can be a bit daunting and some things are going to be a bit hard to find but generally speaking if it has anything to do with Android (like dual booting from WM6.5) you will find it stickied in the Android forum.
Check stuff out here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=743