Was searching around about our elocity interesting how this offers a built in 3g or bluetooths and sim card option this product seems quite a bit like our elocity same components too.
Dexter and any other developer see what you kind find out about this, looks like different interface could be the break in the kernel we wanted.
pioneercomputers.com.au/products/configure.asp?c1=183&c2=185&id=3203
Drivers and more under support tab
Hope this is what we needed to really get this ball rolling on other O.S.
Anyone feel free to find out what you can about thisw site and the drivers listed and lets work on pulling what we need from it and establishing a center for all the drivers.
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pioneercomputers.com.au/products/configure.asp?c1=183&c2=185&id=3203
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Nice findings.. i tried search naz10 and epad n700, aigo N700 etc.. but no luck, but i guess you hit jackpot here
thanks..
ok, the site does not have any files for this tablet..
Dex I know it list everything for every product they have or so it would seem under driver tab. I wonder if we can email thier support and them compile the files or point them out for us.
Anyone have an in at Compal?
It would be awesome to get our hands on the boards they were making before they removed the GSM provisions.
As for that site, it just looks like a reseller to me.
codon.org.uk/~mjg59/android_tablets/
List android devices who are compliant with open kernel and access to them
Now there is alot I don't understand with these devices and how to build a rom, but with this from nvidea can't we use a existing kernel and patch into it.
NVIDIA Tegra 250 Developer Kit Hardware
rombold said:
Now there is alot I don't understand with these devices and how to build a rom, but with this from nvidea can't we use a existing kernel and patch into it.
NVIDIA Tegra 250 Developer Kit Hardware
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but you understand your PC?
so if you board has a core2duo with 2GB memory, and you add a Geforce, and as modems are rare, you find a nice windows7 compatible modem card + a wifi from broadcom with integrated bluetooth.
Next guy does almost the same but he uses a different wifi and bluetooth card for his pc..
so we got 2 pc's equipped almost the same but with different wifi/bt and of course on chose panasonic touch display , where the other one got LG touchscreen which again uses different drivers.
its all about drivers, not just the chipset
I will continue the search for every driver for this device. If you could list any known manaufacters and the part they made. I will search for every driver I can, and will keep you up to date with my progress. Keep me informed on your break throughs with honeycomb or if there is something you need to find and I will help.
u-boot, drivers and kernel source
Does anyone have the nvidia Tegra 250 devkit? Supposedly they were going to include u-boot support and source. See tegradeveloper.nvidia.com/tegra/forum/uboot-tegra-250
Does the dev kit even have open source for drivers and kernel patches. Is full support for the tegra 250 already at kernel.org or is it missing some key features?
I've held up on ordering the dev kit since my experience with nvidia is that they tend to keep as much information private as possible even with an NDA in place.
I'd gladly help develop a completely open bootloader with u-boot, Linux kernel and distro for this device if hardware specifications are actually available. Google was talking about a possible tegra based device that surely would include open source, but I don't think that project ever made it to market.
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Does anyone have the nvidia Tegra 250 devkit? Supposedly they were going to include u-boot support and source. See tegradeveloper.nvidia.com/tegra/forum/uboot-tegra-250
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you sign a NDA with Nvidia, so no chance of anyone releasing it to community. if they do if will be figured out, and a lawsuit coming their way..
so thats a no go.
Registered developers with Nvidia, know this, so they wouldn't dare risking a lawsuit..
So in their typical control freak fashion they don't want specs or source getting out into the open. Looks like I'll be skipping the A7 until it gets at least a touchscreen update.
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So in their typical control freak fashion they don't want specs or source getting out into the open. Looks like I'll be skipping the A7 until it gets at least a touchscreen update.
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not entirely true, its only the parts you asked about..
kernel is GPL and parts of related drivers follows.. but bootloaders are a protected part, and some the vendor specific parts used to manage the chipset together with their nv drivers.. but thats how i read it..
more might be available, but i have not seen all of it.
toshiba + xoom is the only kernels with drivers i seen so far..
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Hi !
Does anyone actually know if android can be installed / flashed on current devices ? Or it's only for certain devices that come with it preinstalled ?
Please don't post things like: "i would love it if it did" or "omg, android is great"...
I'm looking for an answer from someone who actually knows or someone who knows exactly how this stuff works...
Thanks
PS: Menneisyys, i hope you'll post something
I don't think that you'll be getting your answer any time soon as nobody has seen the thing yet.
But i would speculate that as HTC is one of the partners, it might be possible. HTC probably wont reinvent their phones again for the android.
Not a programmer...
but i was listening to leo laport yesterday and it seems that ggls world domination strategy would be all including. so it seems very likely that they would allow some version of it for use on other phones.
http://techguylabs.com/radio/ShowNotes/Show403#toc5
At this point, since there there is no release yet and nobody has/can play with it, it's probably hard to say. However, knowing Google, there is a good possibility they will come out with an app that allows you to use your current phone (speculation).
I heard that Android based on some Java-sintacsys - maybe it is good for us?
Well, the SDK has been released, get it here: http://code.google.com/android/. A demo video is available on the page to show you what it's capable of thus far--looks promising. I'm no coder, but I wish someone would develop this for current HTC devices. As an incentive, Google launched an Android Developer Challenge (http://code.google.com/android/adc.html), where developers of "innovative, useful apps" can win up to $275,000.
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Well, the SDK has been released, get it here: http://code.google.com/android/. A demo video is available on the page to show you what it's capable of thus far--looks promising. I'm no coder, but I wish someone would develop this for current HTC devices. As an incentive, Google launched an Android Developer Challenge (http://code.google.com/android/adc.html), where developers of "innovative, useful apps" can win up to $275,000.
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I grabbed the SDk and got a basic hello world up and running. From what the video said and what I can glean from various sites. The Android OS is designed to run on existing hardware. I would imagine that includes HTC machines. Its a complete OS though not an app so I would imagine you have to blow away WM6 and put android on in order to take advantage of its functionality. The actual coding appears to be extremely easy.
I can see google or the community releasing a "shell" of Android.
The more people with it the more money for them. If you watched the video they are really trying to push the location based services from GPS, cell towers, IP address... can anyone say more cash for ads.
I wouldn't mind having it on WM and its open source so there a good chance we will see it.
Alpine would be perfect for Android
Alpine would be a perfect phone if recycled with android !!
Good processor, lots of mem and a big screen for touch sensasions!!
Is it a dream or could that become reality?
Is Android compatible with HTC Touch-style hardware or does it require the numberpad?
There is a linux-2.6.23-android-m3-rc20.tar.gz kernel file on the android google code project site, there is also ADB utility - Android Debug Bridge (comes with SDK), it has an option of flashing a device (over usb) or an emulator (which is also included in the package)...the question is how to compile that kernel and make it run on our HTCs, and what kindof boot loader does it require? Maybe guys from Xanadux know better
It's also interesting how JAVA is being used after becoming open source, it appears that android is mostly independent from the JAVA API, the only relevance I found was only basic stuff like java.util, java.io and etc (included in the android.jar)...
i think that android will work on htc devices because pretty much they are the ones that will be releasing the first devices preloaded with android and i think that white device was made from htc. I see a potential here so i ask some one to make a thread on porting android to any or a specific device. good luck and may the force be with you.
ps. i hope its a htc wizard
I'd say we'd be waiting to see the HDK come out before we can put it on our own devices, can't wait though.
A dream
The Android SDK includes an emulator, see here http://www.ohadev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15
Quote: "It seems that the main binary is emulator; this includes a qemu-0.8.2, which runs (in system mode) the ARM kernel image at lib/images/kernel-qemu.
Two more images are mounted from lib/images : the system.img (which appears to be the rootfs, and userdata.img, which gets replicated (and mounted from there) at $HOME/.android/userdata.img."
This guy (http://mamaich.uni.cc/fr_pocket.htm) got Qemu compiled for ARM, buggy/crashing, no visible update for several years, see also here http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/in...e_to_running_ms_dos_8_12&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
Question: Anyone have any more recent news/experiences about Qemu on ARM/HTC?
So, theoretically one could try running the Android Kernel image from the SDK emulator on Qemu on PocketPC.
Even if it works (highly unlikely), this megasandwich AndroidImage->Qemu->PocketPC would probably be fantastically slow, with dodgy/absent I/O support.
Real solution is to wait for a modifyable Kernel which can run natively on the HTC ARM processor.
Did not someone from google mentioned at the day of the release that android will run on any ARM9 based device?
dirac said:
Real solution is to wait for a modifyable Kernel which can run natively on the HTC ARM processor.
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There is no such thing as "HTC ARM processor". All major ARM-based CPUs
are supported by Linux, it's the device drivers for external hardware that are
often missing because of the missing documentation.
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There is no such thing as "HTC ARM processor". All major ARM-based CPUs
are supported by Linux, it's the device drivers for external hardware that are
often missing because of the missing documentation.
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Im sure that HTC will release drivers for all their devices since they are partners in the Open Handset Alliance..
prodinho said:
Im sure that HTC will release drivers for all their devices since they are partners in the Open Handset Alliance..
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There are some doubts that the (future) drivers will be released as free software, and not some binary blobs like nvidia, ati and m-systems did it in the past.
Binary linux kernel drivers are evil
Now that we have the kernel source patch, I thought it would be good to summarise what's in it.
I've made a start here:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=tqj3aStfFS2K5PO83we84TQ&authkey=CI6h0aMD#gid=0
Because we don't have a full changelog, and it's a big patch, I thought it would be helpful to summarise what was changed in each file which brief comments. If you can help fill in the gaps for the modified files please post below.
Note that the patch appears to include a lot of cruft (multiple redundant backup copies of some files) I'd like to verify which files are redundant and produce a filtered, simplified patch. If you can confirm that the marked files are redundant that would be helpful.
I note that there are a few points where there is debug code and fixme comments in the patch. These may point to areas where things were never quite worked out (eg power management?). I don't have enough experience to look into this more deeply but just thought I'd mention it here.
Finally, the mmc driver has been brought in from outside the nv-tegra tree. It would be useful to generate a diff against the mainline tree to understand what (if anything) has changed there.
Happy Christmas!
I'm not very android dev savvy either...but they may have left the old drivers in there because old ROMs refer to them and they wanted to preserve the ability to go back to previous ROMs? -- that is...if the ROMs reference the kernel for drivers...not quite sure how that whole thing works...just a thought.
I've built a kernel from these sources, but unfortunately the bootloader throws a "magic value mismatch" error rather than booting the kernel. Has anybody else had any better luck?
EDIT: my bad, I replaced the boot.img with the raw zImage. I now have it booting my kernel, but it dies like this when starting Android:
I/SurfaceFlinger( 1072): SurfaceFlinger is starting
I/SurfaceFlinger( 1072): SurfaceFlinger's main thread ready to run. Initializing graphics H/W...
D/Zygote ( 1070): Process 1072 terminated by signal (11)
I/Zygote ( 1070): Exit zygote because system server (1072) has terminated
Any lines starting with - are deleted code.
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Any lines starting with - are deleted code.
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Yeah, in the patch itself, lines starting with + are added, and starting with - are deleted.
In the spreadsheet linked above, lines starting with + are files added, -files deleted, and !modified.
Actually the patch deletes no files, but /arch/microblaze/boot/dts/system.dts is overwritten with a new one. Anyone know exactly what that file does?
I started this because when I was reading the patch it seemed like a lot of new files were added and I wanted to work out where they came from, but it now looks like a lot of the added files are just backup copies the Malata dev has left in the tree (not a bad programming practice during development, but makes the patch a bit confusing to read).
Seems like the new files that are added (that aren't backups) are:
+ touch screen drivers in arch/arm/mach-tegra/odm_kit/platform/touch/{ak4183,at168}
+ driver for buttons in drivers/input/keyboard/so340010_kbd.c
+ drivers for gps control (power on/off), light sensor and accellerometer in drivers/input/misc/{gps_control.c,isl29023_ls.*,lis35de_accel.*}
+ drivers for batteries in drivers/power/smba10xx_battery and drivers/power/yoku_0563113
+ drivers for headphone and dock switches in drivers/switch/{switch_dock.c,switch_h2w.c} (header file in include/linux/switch_dock.h)
Also, mmc driver (presumably from mainline linux) is imported drivers/mmc
+ drivers for gps control (power on/off), light sensor and accellerometer in drivers/input/misc/{gps_control.c,isl29023_ls.*,lis35de_accel.*}
Sounds promising ..
Can someone explain to me perhaps if I'm missing something here- but what I am to understand from this post is that we finally got the source for the gtablet kernel? Would this incline to mean that we could compile the touchscreen and etc drivers onto a standard linux kernel and pop ubuntu or other such on the gtablet?
Or is 'patch' referring to just some small subset of the code missing the majority required to compile a gtablet kernel?
Any chance we might then be able to hack a fix into the accelerometer code to align the axis correctly?
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Can someone explain to me perhaps if I'm missing something here- but what I am to understand from this post is that we finally got the source for the gtablet kernel? Would this incline to mean that we could compile the touchscreen and etc drivers onto a standard linux kernel and pop ubuntu or other such on the gtablet?
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One would have to recompile Ubuntu (or whatever distro) for ARM. Also, a finger friendly GUI would have to be added allowing the Capacitive screen to do its thing. Its very possible now with the kernel but no, you cannot use the iso downloaded from ubuntu.com.
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Can someone explain to me perhaps if I'm missing something here- but what I am to understand from this post is that we finally got the source for the gtablet kernel? Would this incline to mean that we could compile the touchscreen and etc drivers onto a standard linux kernel and pop ubuntu or other such on the gtablet?
Or is 'patch' referring to just some small subset of the code missing the majority required to compile a gtablet kernel?
Any chance we might then be able to hack a fix into the accelerometer code to align the axis correctly?
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The drivers for the touchscreen, battery, and the accelerometer are all there in the kernel patch or the Nvidia tegra2 repo that it's patched again, yes. It's up on Viewsonic's website, in the support section.
Yes, you can merge them into an Ubuntu kernel if you want to. I'm sure somebody will do that in the next few weeks/months, it just hasn't happened yet since we just got the code dropped a few days ago.
There's some threads in NVidia's tegra2 dev forums on getting Ubuntu to work with a tegra 2 kernel. I posted the link earlier today if you're curious, look through my posts.
Great, so then the next question is, has anyone yet gotten a bootable compiled kernel from these yet?
Would be cool to get a stock android system compiled against a standard kernel for gtab.
Now I'm going to have to go rig up a linux thumb when I get home to start compiling the kernel with the patched sources and see what I can do. I so want to fix the damn accelerometer..
Best of all, my wife can play angry birds the entire time so she won't complain our HTPC is being used for my insanity..
Any suggestions what's a super lite fast distro to toss on a thumb quick that would quickly have me in position to git linux sources and compile this kernel? I don't keep up with the distros these days..
Yes
rswindle said:
Great, so then the next question is, has anyone yet gotten a bootable compiled kernel from these yet?
Would be cool to get a stock android system compiled against a standard kernel for gtab.
Now I'm going to have to go rig up a linux thumb when I get home to start compiling the kernel with the patched sources and see what I can do. I so want to fix the damn accelerometer..
Best of all, my wife can play angry birds the entire time so she won't complain our HTPC is being used for my insanity..
Any suggestions what's a super lite fast distro to toss on a thumb quick that would quickly have me in position to git linux sources and compile this kernel? I don't keep up with the distros these days..
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I believe at least a half dozen of us have now built and deployed our own kernels. I've started cherry-picking Nvidia fixes beyond the baseline looking for something to fix the slowdown problem. Trying the latest variation now.
As for the accelerometer, I don't play any games where that is an issue, so I don't know if this resolves the problems, but there is a 1 line patch beyond our baseline in the Nividia tree which switches the X axis. Maybe this is the issue?
The patch description is:
X direction needs to be reversed to correct orientation in portrait
mode for Whistler.
Bug 678250
and the code diff is here:
http://nv-tegra.nvidia.com/gitweb/?...ff;h=6d57f00bb8276e0392dfa199017fc70fcea7d60b
I have applied this in my current kernel, but I've never seen the bug and can't tell you if it makes a difference.
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I believe at least a half dozen of us have now built and deployed our own kernels. I've started cherry-picking Nvidia fixes beyond the baseline looking for something to fix the slowdown problem. Trying the latest variation now.
As for the accelerometer, I don't play any games where that is an issue, so I don't know if this resolves the problems, but there is a 1 line patch beyond our baseline in the Nividia tree which switches the X axis. Maybe this is the issue?
The patch description is:
X direction needs to be reversed to correct orientation in portrait
mode for Whistler.
Bug 678250
and the code diff is here:
http://nv-tegra.nvidia.com/gitweb/?...ff;h=6d57f00bb8276e0392dfa199017fc70fcea7d60b
I have applied this in my current kernel, but I've never seen the bug and can't tell you if it makes a difference.
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mdwalker, I've likewise built my own kernel and have been running it too. I likewise have been trying to isolate and fix the slowdown problem. I likewise haven't succeeded yet.
There are a bunch of patches in the Nvidia tree that relate to suspend-resume issues, which I'm sure you've noticed. Let me know if you zero in on anything.
question.. I noticed all the developers are from Nvidia, I would think they would be Viewsonic developers... and if not the case are these bugs were not caught a while ago?
Viewsonic doesn't make this
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question.. I noticed all the developers are from Nvidia, I would think they would be Viewsonic developers... and if not the case are these bugs were not caught a while ago?
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Viewsonic doesn't make our tablet, it's made by a Chinese company called Malata based on a standard Nvidia design. Viewsonic just resells it in the US.
There are actually a number of "rebadged" variations of this tablet, with more appearing almost every day.
Absolutely
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mdwalker, I've likewise built my own kernel and have been running it too. I likewise have been trying to isolate and fix the slowdown problem. I likewise haven't succeeded yet.
There are a bunch of patches in the Nvidia tree that relate to suspend-resume issues, which I'm sure you've noticed. Let me know if you zero in on anything.
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Yes, I've certainly noticed the suspend/resume functionality looks to be a frequent source of "fixes". There are lots of patches which sound promising. Hopefully one (or more, gah!) will do the trick without having to hack up the cpu power management itself.
Likewise if you (or pershoot, or ... whomever else is tinkering) finds the right combination, please let us know!
Understand that... The point I am making is why is there so much Nvidia development going on for a version of the Kernel that is considered stable?
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Viewsonic doesn't make our tablet, it's made by a Chinese company called Malata based on a standard Nvidia design. Viewsonic just resells it in the US.
There are actually a number of "rebadged" variations of this tablet, with more appearing almost every day.
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Now I'm going to have to go rig up a linux thumb when I get home to start compiling the kernel with the patched sources and see what I can do. I so want to fix the damn accelerometer..
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Don't waste your time on the accelerometer, as the problem is with the app devs, not our device.
A nice explanation is here: http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/09/one-screen-turn-deserves-another.html
iptables owner module
One of the critical features I am looking for is a kernel built with support for iptables, and specifically the "owner" module.
This is used by apps such as Droidwall and my own app, Orbot, which is the port of Tor to Android. I worked with Cyanogen on this issue previously and am hoping to get this into all of the ROMs for the GTablet as well.
Thanks!
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Understand that... The point I am making is why is there so much Nvidia development going on for a version of the Kernel that is considered stable?
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Why are you considering it's stable? Afaik there are very few products running the NVIDIA kernel at this stage -- the base hardware target is "harmony", which is actually one of NVIDIA's development boards.
G Tablet is one of the first Tegra 2 based products and we are about to see a whole raft of them over the next 6 months. Starting with Gingerbread tablets and then going to Honeycomb. If you check the logs you'll see that stuff from nv-tegra repo is being merged into the AOSP repo pretty regularly at the moment. Presumably, preparing for the Motorola Tegra 2 tablet. I imagine NVIDIA devs are quite busy on that.
I think a bigger question is why the very different codes at kernel.org and Navdia's own repository? In some cases commits are pulled in from each other, but clearly they are on different paths. Motorola seems to be pushing commits to kernel.org.
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Why are you considering it's stable? Afaik there are very few products running the NVIDIA kernel at this stage -- the base hardware target is "harmony", which is actually one of NVIDIA's development boards.
G Tablet is one of the first Tegra 2 based products and we are about to see a whole raft of them over the next 6 months. Starting with Gingerbread tablets and then going to Honeycomb. If you check the logs you'll see that stuff from nv-tegra repo is being merged into the AOSP repo pretty regularly at the moment. Presumably, preparing for the Motorola Tegra 2 tablet. I imagine NVIDIA devs are quite busy on that.
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Wrong: CYANOGENMOD 7 RELEASED, HARMONY SUPPORT, DIDN'T NOTICE ANY POSTS REFERING TO IT
Right: CM7 was released, with Harmony support.
Wrong: SHAME THAT NVIDIA ARE NOT SUPPORTING DEVELOPMENT FOR HARMONY CHIP FROM 2.2 ONWARDS IF REPORTS ARE TRUE
Right: It's a shame that nVidia isn't supporting Harmony developers from 2.2 onwards, if reports are true.
Mod Edit: All caps is annoying. Please don't use it. Thanks.
Yes if you actually look at the other CM7 threads you will see that the Vega changes have been added to the official tree now.....
and how can you go and say that we have cm7 (2.3) and then complain about the lack of nvidia support beyond 2.2 in the same post, completely contradicts itself....
but doesnt the tegra 2 already power a bunch of honeycomb tablets already?
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but doesnt the tegra 2 already power a bunch of honeycomb tablets already?
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there are two types of tegra 2 boards, Harmony which the vega has supported to android 2.2 and Ventana which the xoom has, supported beyond 2.2
Useless posts removed, OP reformatted. All caps is just annoying.
Also, thank you Lennyuk for your expertise. I actually wasn't aware of the two Tegra 2 revisions. What are the differences between Harmony and Ventana?
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Useless posts removed, OP reformatted. All caps is just annoying.
Also, thank you Lennyuk for your expertise. I actually wasn't aware of the two Tegra 2 revisions. What are the differences between Harmony and Ventana?
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as far as I know there is not actually a great deal of differences between the two, I think the ventana board has an extra GPU slot, that might be it.
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as far as I know there is not actually a great deal of differences between the two, I think the ventana board has an extra GPU slot, that might be it.
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Interesting. I wonder why that would be since these SOCs don't have modular components, with the GPU being directly integrated into the SOC itself... Weird.
UPDATE 12 APRIL 2011:
Sorry folks looks like I caused a bit of confusion. Since this is a developer forum my comments
were targeted at Tegra Honeycomb developers and for this we’d like to focus on Ventana. For shipping or production products, customers should contact the device makers directly for OS support plans. They are responsible for the OS shipping on their device.
In relation to our linux kernel git repository, NVIDIA will continue to provide full open-source support for all of our kernel components and will push more of that upstream over time.
Andrew Edelsten
Tegra Developer Relations
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Interesting update something for developers to get teeth into sometime
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haha to right
UPDATE 13 APRIL 2011
A lot has been read into a very short post about a Tegra development kit. I'd like to clear up a few points.
First, nothing changes in what we’re delivering to the open source community or customers. NVIDIA will continue to post the Tegra kernel to kernel.org and publish our Android code to our public git servers. Additionally, we will continue to make our BSP (codecs, GPU driver etc) available to all our hardware partners. We will continue to do this and nothing about these processes has changed.
For our partners' Android devices, NVIDIA provides support until the hardware partner chooses to no longer support the device. So, for instance, NVIDIA will support the Xoom on all versions of Android Motorola requests until Motorola ceases to support the Xoom. The same goes for ViewSonic with the G-Tablet, Notion Ink with the Adam, Acer with the Iconia, LG with the Optimus 2X and so on.
In relation to my original reply, that was a response to a specific question about a Tegra 250 Development Kit. Given the confusion, we will work with owners of Tegra 250 Development Kits individually to determine their needs. The term "Harmony" is an internal codename for the Tegra 250 Development Kit. It is not a tablet reference design. Each shipping tablet is a custom design with varying hardware components and requires a custom OS image from the OEM who made the tablet.
Finally, while we cannot support or give out third party peripheral drivers or provide the Android 3.0 source before Google does, we do want to explore whether we can assist the open source ROM makers. We will be reaching out to them today.
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Caps from original nvidia forum post.
Stop being so anal anyway
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Can anyone translate this for me? Are we (Advent Vega users) getting the Tegra 2 update? And is this the one for Honeycomb?
From what I can tell, Yes. Or am I reading this wrong?
GaiusSensei said:
Can anyone translate this for me? Are we (Advent Vega users) getting the Tegra 2 update? And is this the one for Honeycomb?
From what I can tell, Yes. Or am I reading this wrong?
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There is no "Tegra 2" Update
You are getting confused.
Basically when the Tegra2 boards were given to manufacturers they had one of two designs
Harmony which the vega has
or Ventana which newer tablets have
These are not set in stone, they were just designs that then get built to specific needs by each manufacturer.
Nvidia are not releasing their own stock images beyond android 2.2 for Harmony however they have made it very clear that it is down to each manufacturer to do this, Nvidia will support the manufacturers for as long as they want to continue service on each device.
Advent do not yet know if the manufacturer (Shuttle) will give us a HC rom, however at least 2 other clones of the Vega have confirmed it, so it looks promising.
Point of View is supposed to deliver us a fresh HC ROM, I would be really thankful!
All I need is a rom w/o cellphone stuff, just tablet things to work always with optimizations and no slow downs.. That's why I bought a tablet with tegra... but after news like this, customers like me get pretty sad and will regret buying another device from them. Gz;
www auraslate com
Hey guys here is an open source hardware tablet site... it might help those out there
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www auraslate com
Hey guys here is an open source hardware tablet site... it might help those out there
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Open Source, never pertains to hardware, because you don't chisel code on to a circuit board, its Open Design, in which they also offer full open source code for the said open designed tablet. Just saying.
3D printers with atom precision/accuracy are possible in theory, that would really make open source hardware possible
RolAr said:
3D printers with atom precision/accuracy are possible in theory, that would really make open source hardware possible
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Except theory isnt reality.
Very cool!
Good luck with this project, looking forward to see where it goes. Boards still seem a bit on the expensive side...
http://www.auraslate.com/
sounds awesome, but from pieces of hardware to all components of a smartphone it's a hard way.. hope they will coming
Ha, u guys may heared about open moko? Far away from first android, open source hardware and linux, no one take attention, its almost dead, a phone using linux os, it was born before android, and yet still in birth state, jus cox it have very few supporters,and devs.
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Anybody have tried this tablets? The website says it's open for deliveries. The 7 inch version is just 150usd
Adam Outler did an "unboxing" with the 10 inch version.
I'm interested with a review of any of the unit, have any suggestion?
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Anybody have tried this tablets? The website says it's open for deliveries. The 7 inch version is just 150usd
Adam Outler did an "unboxing" with the 10 inch version.
I'm interested with a review of any of the unit, have any suggestion?
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At least Adam's first impression (him being an actual device owner) and mine (based on reading through their site) is they are not nearly as open as they claim to be.
1-2 months ago they were providing ICS firmwares without kernel source - that's less open than any legitimate Android tablet manufacturer. Not sure if they've rectified these issues, but any vendor claiming to be open source/open hardware should NEVER have done that except by accidental error - however there was a post in their forums effectively saying they were withholding source.
http://auraslate.freeforums.org/kernel-for-ics-t53.html - found it, see auraslateadmin's post - This is UNACCEPTABLE from ANY company, ESPECIALLY one that claims to be open source. If you have provided a kernel binary to the public, you MUST provide source code upon request.
Auraslate's marketing of being "open" is a blatant lie - they keep talking about how open they are to sell devices, but then withhold kernel source.
is just an idea, but is that possible?but some windows may be installed, or some linux??
I know there is a Ubuntu port out there so far but the last time I checked, it was still very buggy.
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hopefully in the near future can be made!!??
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Dear cubano2031:
Hi,
Acer Iconia Tab A500 specification suggests the compatible operating system as Android Honeycomb.
However according to the hardware specifications, it seems that you can install Windows 8 Consumer Preview in this tablet.
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Dear cubano2031:
Hi,
Acer Iconia Tab A500 specification suggests the compatible operating system as Android Honeycomb.
However according to the hardware specifications, it seems that you can install Windows 8 Consumer Preview in this tablet.
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Check my dulbooting thread im assuming he probably meant the arm version but judging on how useless xp was i dont foresee windows 8 being useful :/ although most of the lag is created from the actual app emulation but stil unless someone wants to create a compatiblle recovery.img (you could utelise fastboot) kernel bootloader drivers etc then i dont think it has a chance
I really don't see Windows 8 coming the Iconia due to the type of processor that we have. The Tegra doesn't have any windows drivers as far as I know...... There is more of a chance of us seeing Mac running on our tablet . Due to the fact that it has a Unix base
gears177 said:
Check my dulbooting thread im assuming he probably meant the arm version but judging on how useless xp was i dont foresee windows 8 being useful :/ although most of the lag is created from the actual app emulation but stil unless someone wants to create a compatiblle recovery.img (you could utelise fastboot) kernel bootloader drivers etc then i dont think it has a chance
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calebcoverdale said:
I really don't see Windows 8 coming the Iconia due to the type of processor that we have. The Tegra doesn't have any windows drivers as far as I know...... There is more of a chance of us seeing Mac running on our tablet . Due to the fact that it has a Unix base
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i dont either maybe if were extremely lucky a stripped down mini version of iit but even thats wishfule thinking
Windows 8/RT will NEVER be installable on the A500.
Ever.
End of.
never say never
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Windows 8/RT will NEVER be installable on the A500.
Ever.
End of.
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It's been my experience if someone is determined enough anything is possible. In fact you may just have ignited a fire and determination in someone just to prove you wrong. Let's hope so!
I'm not going to be the one to do it, but I too think this is all but impossible... After all, there's an ARM build, so all that's really missing are drivers. The WiFi/Bluetooth chipset is prety widespread, so this one ought to work. There aren't too many manufacturers of touchscreen devices, so this one ought to work, too, and for audio the situation is much the same. MMC chipsets are mostly broadcom anyway (a500 too, I guess) so there's another component that most likely will work. Also, USB will work as it's well specified and used for a lot of stuff internally by most devices... The only major issues could be with the graphics card, as I don't think Win8 likes VESA mode too much... Also, I wouldn't epect A501 UMTS to work. While graphics support may be a fair amount of work, it certainly seems possible... and UMTS isn't all that important after all (it's unlikely to work without direct manufacturer support as baseband protocols are a nightmare to work with).
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I'm not going to be the one to do it, but I too think this is all but impossible... After all, there's an ARM build, so all that's really missing are drivers. The WiFi/Bluetooth chipset is prety widespread, so this one ought to work. There aren't too many manufacturers of touchscreen devices, so this one ought to work, too, and for audio the situation is much the same. MMC chipsets are mostly broadcom anyway (a500 too, I guess) so there's another component that most likely will work. Also, USB will work as it's well specified and used for a lot of stuff internally by most devices... The only major issues could be with the graphics card, as I don't think Win8 likes VESA mode too much... Also, I wouldn't epect A501 UMTS to work. While graphics support may be a fair amount of work, it certainly seems possible... and UMTS isn't all that important after all (it's unlikely to work without direct manufacturer support as baseband protocols are a nightmare to work with).
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But you need to take into consideration that this is a totally new system. It will probably come only with the drivers for hardware approved by MS (like with Windows Phone). So unless some other Win8 tablets are going to use exactly same hardware parts with same configuration we wouldn't have anywhere to get those drivers from. We don't even know if Win8 would support Tegra2 instruction set which may be missing some instruction sets available in newer processors.
Remember who you are dealing with.... Microsoft.
Remember who is pushing out Surface Tabs.. (sometime in the next decade).... Microsoft.
And I will guess, the hardware drivers will be extremely closed source. And the tabs will probably run on different hardware than the current tabs.
A tech can say "well, your tablet certainly has the hardware to run it". Don't mean diddly squat unless it's the same hardware they support. And I would guess, MS ain't gonna support Android tabs. Just like iOS.
And look who they partnered with..... Nokia. The last of the dumbphone manufacturers, who are just about to go under if android phones get any cheaper. Sorta says how "this" story is gonna pan out. "Too little.... Too late"
Windows8 touch on an A500? Ain't gonna happen. They already have a W500 (which nobody wants).
RIP Win8...... Stick with PC's.
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Actually, the main issue why it won't run is less to do with the hardware drivers than you might think.
The main cause is down to the bootloader and the interaction between it and the OS. Even if you managed to get RT somehow on to an A500, you'll never get it to boot. It would be easier to write your OS from scratch.
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Actually, the main issue why it won't run is less to do with the hardware drivers than you might think.
The main cause is down to the bootloader and the interaction between it and the OS. Even if you managed to get RT somehow on to an A500, you'll never get it to boot. It would be easier to write your OS from scratch.
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I would rather think the oposite as it should be definitelly easier for a hacker/cracker to remove requirement for specific bootloader (e.g. encrypted one as MS requires from hardware makers) than to fetch working drivers.
That way or another there are just too many problems to overcome to make it work.
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I would rather think the oposite as it should be definitelly easier for a hacker/cracker to remove requirement for specific bootloader (e.g. encrypted one as MS requires from hardware makers) than to fetch working drivers.
That way or another there are just too many problems to overcome to make it work.
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Unfortu'ently the algorithm used to crack it wouldnt expire in my life time completely useless it would still be sweet though hmmm....
Don't android tablets run on ARM architecture? Thats incompatible with Windows right there.
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Microsoft has said that they will not be selling the Win8RT OS seperately and that the only way to get it is pre-installed on a tablet. Because of that, and that the A500 doesn't meet the resolution, multi-touch, or have appropraite drivers, the only way to get Win8RT on the A500 is through hacking of the OS.
So it can be done, but it isn't going to be easy, nor would it be legal due to the licencing issues (you can't buy the winRT os without a tab).
For everybody that wants Windows on their tab....
http://market.yandex.ru/model.xml?modelid=7268033&hid=6427100
Much easier... and they have tons of them left for a reason....... :laugh:
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The W500 doesn't really even factor into this equation. It's Win7. Windows 8 was specifically designed to be tablet-friendly. Windows 7 on a touch device is... problematic at best.
Better to look at what Acer ~IS~ doing in the Win8 arena:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/03/acer-iconia-w700-w510-windows-8/
But the real problem is Microsoft mandating what will and will not be allowed to run Windows 8 RT. Their secure boot garbage and requirements for locked bootloaders on RT will be a huge issue. Aside from the aforementioned issues with device drivers, which will be a HUGE issue, Microsoft is doing all it can to block just anyone from installing the final release on unsupported devices.
Of course, with enough time and people, all this can be bypassed and someone, somewhere will make it happen, but the question will be... Will it be worth the effort? We have a great tablet that runs great on ICS and JB. Why mess with a good thing? Windows 8 RT is a gimped version of Windows that's made for phones. The full Windows 8 is a resource-hog that will clog an a500 and bring it to a standstill. I just don't see a need for this.
Hi guys
with a google search I found the file. cab with the driver (Tegra2) for windows 8.
If you want I can upload it online