figured i'd start a thread on the use of the camera and what others have done or do to take amazing pictures. possibly post some
only thing i've noticed is holding down the camera button half way till the center cue comes up and beeps, to snap a shot allows for a lot better clarity and focus on a shot.
that is the focus .... setting the anti shake before taking pics helps too. the use of macro mode helps with the small items... also adjusting the metering can help when you are shooting something and the light is coming from an odd angle...
ah k. Kinda assumed it was since pics are taken instantly with the push of the button instead of typical 2-3 sec delay to focus as with other phones. Have to mess with macro or any other feature other than image filter for b&w shots. Will try it though.
samsungs always take great pics.... i wish this phone had the settings the omnia 2 had.... that camera was the best 5mp out...
i wonder what Nokia's partnership with Microsoft and Windows Phone 7 will bring as far as cameras, cause honestly the last great cell phone camera i ever used was on an old Nokia flip phone from T-Mobile (years and years ago). it may have been 1.3MP camera but it took some sharp pics and quick. Iphone was eh aight, blackberry curve..the led flash was too long too bright and pictures were grainy, HTC Tilt 2...so so quality with slight not so noticeable color tint. but this Focus phone takes better pics than my old 8MP Nokia digital camera.
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I have a problem with the focus of the camera in my hermes (vodafone vpa compact III). When i put the focus pin in macro postition i can make sharp photos from objects in a distance of ~10cm. When the switch is in the non macro mode objects between 40cm and 2meters got sharp. Everything behind 2meters gets unsharp again. This is quite disturbing because nearly everything one photographs is more distant than 2 meters. In order to get rid of this problem my dealer swapped the phone, but unfortunately the new one had the same problem. My question now is do all phones show this effect.
To illustrate the problem i have attached a photo that was taken at the maximum resolution of 1600x1200 (on lower resolutions the unsharpness slowly disappeares). The image is a 620x280 subarea of this picture.
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I have a problem with the focus of the camera in my hermes (vodafone vpa compact III). When i put the focus pin in macro postition i can make sharp photos from objects in a distance of ~10cm. When the switch is in the non macro mode objects between 40cm and 2meters got sharp. Everything behind 2meters gets unsharp again. This is quite disturbing because nearly everything one photographs is more distant than 2 meters. In order to get rid of this problem my dealer swapped the phone, but unfortunately the new one had the same problem. My question now is do all phones show this effect.
To illustrate the problem i have attached a photo that was taken at the maximum resolution of 1600x1200 (on lower resolutions the unsharpness slowly disappeares). The image is a 620x280 subarea of this picture.
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I have not seen this reported and it is not normal. However it would seem an amazing coincidence if you were to get two phones with an identical problem. Did you actually see the dealer swap the phones!
From the photo the bus appears in focus at one end and out of focus at the other. Given the bus is quite some distance away (I assume, and it's not a zoomed in photo) then from that picture it looks more like left side in focus, right side out of focus. (I appreciate the objects on the right are further away)
Have you got other photos that have objects at varying distances but not with objects that are near on one side and further away on the other. i.e looking straight down the street or such like.
Also can you confirm there was no zoom used.
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Have you cheked the settings? Maybe is on max resolution, but not the best quality.
Could you post the full image?
This link is for a picture that I took 4 days ago with my SVP M3100
I think is quite sharp.
http://www.karontes.plus.com/IMAGE_098.jpg
Try changing the quality from the camera settings..
hope this help
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here are some demo pictures all taken with the focus in non macro position:
http://aycu16.webshots.com/image/22895/2003124511431707207_rs.jpg
http://aycu20.webshots.com/image/23579/2001735976619502914_rs.jpg
http://aycu39.webshots.com/image/25358/2001779240544331593_rs.jpg
Did you actually see the dealer swap the phones
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The new one has a new IMEI so it definitely is a new one.
Have you got other photos that have objects at varying distances but not with objects that are near on one side and further away on the other. i.e looking straight down the street or such like
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I will make one tomorrow. Currently it is dark outside.
Also can you confirm there was no zoom used
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the picture was taken from a 1600x1200 foto the complete foto is linked above
Maybe is on max resolution, but not the best quality.
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Settings are ok. The picture with the beer bottle looks fine. The problem only occurs at larger distances.
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here are some demo pictures all taken with the focus in non macro position:
http://aycu16.webshots.com/image/22895/2003124511431707207_rs.jpg
http://aycu20.webshots.com/image/23579/2001735976619502914_rs.jpg
http://aycu39.webshots.com/image/25358/2001779240544331593_rs.jpg
The new one has a new IMEI so it definitely is a new one.
I will make one tomorrow. Currently it is dark outside.
the picture was taken from a 1600x1200 foto the complete foto is linked above
Settings are ok. The picture with the beer bottle looks fine. The problem only occurs at larger distances.
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Ok will see your photo(s) tomorrow. Meantime, I'm just trying to decide if those are typical of the sort of pictures I get if there is some wobble on taking the photo. (The Hermes is sensitive to this) I use the centre D-Pad button to take the photo (AKA action button). I squeeze it in and keep it in until photo is taken (ie. not a push and release action but a push only till photo shows up).
As yet difficult to say. Your last picture looks fine, the 2nd pic looks out of focus all over. So lets see some more tomorrow as you say. You can drink that bottle of booze while you are waiting
Mike
yeah I think the focus problem is due to shaking. You got to hold the phone STEADY for quite a while when taking a picture
try taking a picture with the phone resting on a table or flat surface, it will probably look a lot better.
Shaking
in order to avoid shaking all of the following photos where taken with the phone standing on the ground. I used the 10sec timer to take the photos so i did not need to touch the camera when it took the photo. the beer-bottle fotos (no i'm not addicted to alcohol ) show that at objects that are too close / too far got unsharp.
The outdoor photo was also taken with the phone standing still usung the timer. It nicely illustrates why i'am not satisfied with the quality of pictures taken by the camera.
http://aycu21.webshots.com/image/22620/2004425661515948516_rs.jpg
http://aycu31.webshots.com/image/24390/2004494897534520551_rs.jpg
http://aycu14.webshots.com/image/24453/2004407138677399856_rs.jpg
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in order to avoid shaking all of the following photos where taken with the phone standing on the ground........
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OK for comparison purposes:
Here are 3 shots at medium resolution.
1. With Macro on
2.
With Camera toggle half way between Macro and Infinity
3
With Macro toggle set to Infinity - correct setting
From this it is clear your camera is not stuck on Macro mode as pic 1 above shows everything is very blurred.
From pic 3 we can see that there is an even level of focus throughout the picture - nothing pin sharp and nothing very blurry - what you might expect of infinity focus over a 15 ft range.
To me it looks as if your pics are between pics 2 and 3. ie. the camera Macro toggle is not rotating the lens fully towards the infinity setting. i.e. somewhere between pics 2 and 3 above.
I had thought your Macro toggle was not connecting but from your pics it seems it is rotating the lens to some extent but perhaps not fully.
However, I just took a 2meg pic outside and I'm not sure it's any better than yours?
Photobucket makes that lamp-post look a bit hairier than it is in the original but not much worse. ?? maybe you are expecting too much??
Mike
I searched for a camera fix for the HD camera with no success. Does anyone know if there's going to be a fix in the near future? I'm sure that ya'll have the same problem that I do. Camera takes pictures that look old & rustic. Brownish tint to them & not very sharp for a 5 MP camera. I have adjusted all the settings for light & junk but nothing fixes it. As far as I'm concerned, it should take pictures IDENTICAL to a normal 5 MP digital camera. I can promise you that it's not doing that. Any help would be great, thanks in advance.
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I searched for a camera fix for the HD camera with no success. Does anyone know if there's going to be a fix in the near future? I'm sure that ya'll have the same problem that I do. Camera takes pictures that look old & rustic. Brownish tint to them & not very sharp for a 5 MP camera. I have adjusted all the settings for light & junk but nothing fixes it. As far as I'm concerned, it should take pictures IDENTICAL to a normal 5 MP digital camera. I can promise you that it's not doing that. Any help would be great, thanks in advance.
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Why should it take pictures identical to a 5MP camera. The lens on the front is going to be vastly different, the sensor maybe 5MP, but what is the spacing on the sensor pixels? The closer together, the noisier the image. Colour balance will be down to the sensor too.
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I'm not talking about the front camera. The normal camera on the back. I understand about the pixel thing, but it still shouldn't be so brownish, right? The pictures look like an old Polaroid picture. You know, the one's that spit the picture out as soon as you took it. Old, brown & nasty looking.
My pictures come out fine...
Hmmmmmmm...................... I'll just keep playing with it.
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I'm not talking about the front camera. The normal camera on the back. I understand about the pixel thing, but it still shouldn't be so brownish, right? The pictures look like an old Polaroid picture. You know, the one's that spit the picture out as soon as you took it. Old, brown & nasty looking.
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I'm not being flippant, but is it possible you might have a dirty lens?
Lol, that was the first thing I tried. Cleaned both sides of the back cover & cleaned the lens on the camera. Good idea, though.
The "5mp" doesn't really mean much, as stated earlier, if the sensor and lens are poor quality. As far as I know, HTC haven't released a phone with a reasonable quality camera, yet.
I bounce between different smart-phones (just coming back to WM now, after a year with S60). I can say that many of the S60 devices (in particular the Nokia N95, but also the N82 with Xenon flash) have very good cameras, being similar to low-end digital cameras in daylight. They lack optical zoom and tend to over-compress images, but have good quality lenses.
imho hd camera is excelent
pictures look old & rustic only if you make them inside house without using the artificial light setting, and this is also a general rule, not specific to HD.
Never seen a good phone camera yet, including the latest 8mpixel ones. They're all terrible.
Never
This camera will NEVER take pictures anywhere near what real cameras do. The photo sites are so tiny, they are smaller then the length of waive of light. Therefore noise, lack of dynamic width, etc. No patch will ever fix that. Sorry
open back cover , clean the lens , you will see a huge difference in quality
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Lol, that was the first thing I tried. Cleaned both sides of the back cover & cleaned the lens on the camera. Good idea, though.
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Not that I'm doubting you or anything but you do realize that the back cover only has a hole through to the lens?
You might try setting the brightness higher:
If you touch the small rectangle near the bottom right side of the screen (when holding landscape)
Then select the gear symbol, then select brightness from the menu and hit the "+" until it looks better that will remove most of the darkness.
The camera is a plain disappointment. In the time the camera autofocusses, I could have bought a Sony Ericsson C905's, create a good looking photo (with xenon flash) and upload it to imageshack.
If 'your object' makes the slightest move, your photo will be blurry . This is also the case when you attempt to make a photo of someone that isn't aware he or she has to be waiting for the autofocus lag. Head moves >>> blurry pic.
iPhone camera shots are way better quality, don't ask me why. Overall my Touch HD scores 8/10, where atleast 1 full point is taken up by the camera
and it's better don't speak about the very laggy video recording
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iPhone camera shots are way better quality, don't ask me why.
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Too many megapixels on a tiny sensor = major noise problem = blurring from denoise.
Even 2mpixels is too much for sensors this size, but people buy on marketing numbers of megapixels, not quality. You can just imagine the whining that would occur if the Touch HD came out with 1.3mpxiels, even though it would produce better pictures.
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Too many megapixels on a tiny sensor = major noise problem = blurring from denoise.
Even 2mpixels is too much for sensors this size, but people buy on marketing numbers of megapixels, not quality. You can just imagine the whining that would occur if the Touch HD came out with 1.3mpxiels, even though it would produce better pictures.
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hehe, thats true.
mpixels dont count as much as the general public belives. the more mpix. the higher rezolution you can print the picture in. but for ordinary photos, 1.3 mpix would be enough, as long as the optics is good.
Personally, I rarely use a phone camera.
I use either my Olympus 720SW or Canon EOS.
the camera sucks **** compared to the n95 and the video recording is horrid. i know it's not meant to be as good as a dedicated camera but this is pretty bad given the price of the device.
i concur with mach03, move the camera a slight bit and eveyrthing gets blurred. one way i've semi gotten aorund this is to unlock the burst functiona nd take a sequence of pics and hope one or two coems out alright, not the most economic way to do it though...
i would ahve thought that maybe there's a way to tweak the camera to stop the blurring or even affect how much light is picked up by the lens which should also help with clarity
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I'm not talking about the front camera. The normal camera on the back. I understand about the pixel thing, but it still shouldn't be so brownish, right? The pictures look like an old Polaroid picture. You know, the one's that spit the picture out as soon as you took it. Old, brown & nasty looking.
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A silly idea, but seriously, did you check if maybe, just maybe, you left the "sepia" effect turned on???
I'm wanting to find out if the noise in some of the photos i've taken is normal for the HD2
I expect noise in a camera like this, it's just the nature of having such a small high mega pixel count sensor, I just wanted to find out if what im experiencing is normal. I've got a week left on my 14 days and would like to exchange it if it's not normal
This is probably the worst of them all that I did lastnight
http://twitpic.com/1cs2cl/full Look at the banding noise at the bottom of the frame.
http://twitpic.com/1cs4lj/full This one has some too, but not as bad as the other
http://twitpic.com/1cs50y/full This one looks like it may be a optics problem, look at the red halo around the sykes sign. the 1st time i took the pic i though maybe there was a smudge on the lens so i wiped it and still had the same result
Perfectly normal.
You're taking pictures at night and even standalone digital cameras would struggle to take a decent picture in those conditions.
The Camera will be ramping up the ISO which increases the noise anyway (and as you pointed out coupled to a small sensor just isnt great), the only way to take a decent picture with noise that isnt noticable is to use a tripod, a very small aperture and a very long shutter.
This, being a phone, doesn't have the luxury of that kind of control.
Just take pictures during the day and they are decent enough.
i get it too, including the exceptionally bright flash that usually washes out most photos, just have to live with it im afraid, or fiddle with camera settings, see what happens, but you'd have to constantly change them between night and day....
Thanks, Yeah i expected the noise in pics from the phone. Just the banding was concerning me a little bit.
It actually does pretty good at night in certain situations, there are more pics on my twitpic account from last night that came out ok, very little noise, though a bit more blur. im guessing it probably picked a lower ISO for those.
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Just take pictures during the day and they are decent enough.
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I have to agree, the camera on the HD2 is outstanding in the daylight, nearly rivals the Sony T33 that ive carried around for a long time for quick snapshots. I just wish they could put a small optical zoom on the camera, even something as small as the 3x optical zoom im used to the with T33. im sure that's asking a bit much with the space constraints within a phone. Im still happy none the less.
The camera in my old Wizard was worthless, i barely ever used it. It was passable outside on a bright day, useless under normal indoor lighting conditions or darker.
Found myself in several situations where i wanted to take a pic but didn't have the T33 on me. HD2 = problem solved =)
I just noticed that there is a TMO USA HD2 specific forum. Since this is about a TMO USA HD2 could one of the mods move this thread over there? Like to see what kind of response i get from other USA version users
Hi,
I have my HTC Touch HD for a year now and in the beginning pictures taken using my device were sooooo perfect that people could not distinguish between the HTC pictures and those taken with a (Sony) digital camera.
Since a while now, the HTC Camera is NOT the best picture... I did several hard resets and it does not help. The HTC Camera takes good pictures, but after 1 or 2 seconds when capturing the image, the picture gets dark en blurry.
Any idea what's going on here...?
Please help.
I think the focussing mechanism wears out after time or gets dust in them somehow, I've had this with a few pocketpc's that have had autofocus cameras, they're not exactly a high quality piece of hardware as a general rule imo.
Personally I'd rather a fixed focus camera with better lenses and maybe a macro mode for close stuff, autofocus tends to be pretty slow as well
I really hope nokia fixes this.
"Despite what reviews say, this isn't only a problem with daytime shots. Nighttime shots suffer from this "soft" look too. The night shots are good at capturing lots of light, but still poor on the sharpening part.
It sucks because before taking a picture, when I push the camera button down to focus, the image in the screen looks BEAUTIFUL and very sharp/detailed. As soon as I take the picture, it completely changes the look and makes it very soft and takes away detail."
They are saying it will be a software fix. They meaning Nokia.
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I dont like it as well but you can easily fix it with the built in autofix in windows or just use nokia creative studio app.
The main thing though for me is although the phone takes amazing low light shots.. they are only good for static objects as if your subjects moves even a bit they will become blur because of the slow shutter speed..
I guess you cant have everything
To be honest I'm not seeing the problem when taking photos of objects near. I suspect that on landscapes f2.0 aperture creates a shallow depth of field and so things in the distance aren't sharp compared to cameras with a much smaller aperture.
This is physics at work, can't do much about that with a fixed aperture.
Sure you can, set the focal point on whatever the distance is to the landscape (in effect, "infinity" by photography definition). Now, if you try and photograph a scene with things at different distances, some of them will be out of focus and look soft, yes. That is absolutely a case of "physics at work". It may be that the camera is too eager to focus on something in the foreground - even something meaningless, like the ground at your feet - when trying to take landscape shots.