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US T-Mobile HD2 pricing. 3/8/10. more info

http://www.tmonews.com/2010/03/htc-hd2-nuron-and-cliq-xt-pricing-cometh/
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http://forums.tmonews.com/index.php?topic=11440.msg249265#msg249265
$199/contract. $449/no contract
The prices looks good to me. Now just have to wait a few weeks..
3/8/10
MirasHD2 said:
Saw this on the tmo site for the HD2
†On approved credit. $112.50 down payment, plus 3 monthly payments of $112.50, required. 0% APR. Taxes & fees additional. Available only at T-Mobile-owned retail stores; see store for details.
††On approved credit. $22.50 down payment, plus 19 monthly payments of $22.50, required. 0% APR. Taxes & fees additional. Available only at T-Mobile-owned retail stores; see store for details.
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At the bottom of the T-Mobile page. http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/phones/Cell-Phone-Detail.aspx?cell-phone=HTC-HD2
So is that the contract or non contract price?

no way
is this officail if it is then wow was expecting a bigger price, tmobile is making a huge step in relasing this, this phone is mine as soon it hit stores

450????? Holy mother of god that's cheap
I thought 530 for the nexus one was an amazing deal. You bet your sweet ass I'll be at the local T-mobile store on the release day.
It was between the nexus one and the HD2, but I think saving 80 bucks will be a better bet. Even though it probably won't get wp7, I'll be happy with it.

We will find out for sure at MIX
http :// www .engadget.com/2010/03/01/microsoft-sending-mixed-signals-on-windows-phone-7-series-upgrad/

all we need now is the official releasee!!!
ill buy it as soon as it gets here

Wow I hope those are the prices, depressing that its 100 cheaper than my Fuse and my S730 lol...

Damn good price.

Hmmm decisions decisions.
Was about to get the euro version unbranded for 599 shipped.
and now tmobiles unsubsidized price is rumored at 450. so technically 480ish after my state taxes.
What do you guys think? Pay 120 more for unbranded + euro/asia 3g? or get the unsubsidized for 480 and unlock it later.
I am on tmobile us right now and don't plan on getting 3g on my plan anyways. and I am traveling abroad to asia for a year but I might not even subscribe to a 3g plan (maybe just edge) while im over there.
You guys think tmobile version would be any different or more difficult to flash roms?

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You guys think tmobile version would be any different or more difficult to flash roms?
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The US T-Mobile version has more ROM. Just get it to make the other countries jealous.

Could it be that they were able to keep the price down because they were able to include the Blockbuster app?

Stilts said:
Could it be that they were able to keep the price down because they were able to include the Blockbuster app?
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The price could be low because they want to get a lot of them out.. due to NO WP7 upgrade or because it WILL be WP7 upgrade.
Or maybe just because it's a few months ago now and they feel bad for us..

could the TMo version work outside the US?

This is fantastic news. Now i can upgrade from my htc x7501

so when is the officail relaease date then i have heard the 12th, the 14th, and the 24th??? anyone with any officail news on a release date???

3G Band Frequency
Hey guys, do we know what 3G band frequencies the T-mobile version will have?
I know that T-mobile uses 1700Mhz for 3G... do we know if this version will have other bands like 850Mhz....
I live in Canada and I do plan to buy the HD2 in near future, in Canada in order to get 3G you need either 850Mhz, 1700Mhz or 1900Mhz frequency band enabled phone.
I would like to buy a phone that can do 3G, rather than the Europe version. If the price of this phone is actually $449, then I will most probably buy this one.
Does anyone know how you can buy this phone from Canada, I mean for this price? I know some websites that sell unlocked phones but the prices are usually very high.
Thank You

Hmmm, i coulda swore i read somewhere that tmobile uses the 1700 band for 3G

yeah tmobile uses 1700/2100 for 3g in the US.
it will not have the 850 or 1900 bands.

From one Roger user to another...The answer is NO, t-mobile 3G model will not work on Rogers/Fido network or the new Bell/Telus HSPA network. The T-Mobile phone will only be useful if you are on WindMobile as they use the same 3G frequency as T-Mobile.
The Europe version T8585 will give yah Edge speeds while the T9193(Telstra) will give yah 3G speeds here in Canada.
Hope that helps to clear the confusion.
np231 said:
Hey guys, do we know what 3G band frequencies the T-mobile version will have?
I know that T-mobile uses 1900Mhz for 3G... do we know if this version will have other bands like 850Mhz....
I live in Canada and I do plan to buy the HD2 in near future, in Canada in order to get 3G you need either 850Mhz, 1700Mhz or 1900Mhz frequency band enabled phone.
I would like to buy a phone that can do 3G, rather than the Europe version. If the price of this phone is actually $449, then I will most probably buy this one.
Does anyone know how you can buy this phone from Canada, I mean for this price? I know some websites that sell unlocked phones but the prices are usually very high.
Thank You
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Has anybody seen it in store yet? Perhaps in the hands of a sales rep? I've heard reports that they're doing training for it this week.

Europe : Paid 570 euro...
last news : no upgrade to Windows 7
no flash player 10 for windows 6.5 in future.
even would't pay 300 euro for this device !!!

US version on European 3G Networks

Hey Everyone,
So I live in Germany but I will be visiting the USA for Thanksgiving weekend. I am contemplating buying the Tab for $550 at Best Buy on black Friday. So if I find it worth it, should I get the Sprint or T-Mobile one? Or can I even use either of them unlocked so I can use 3G with my German Fonic SIM card (I think it uses the O2 networks)?
Thanks

T-Mobile US and AT&T are your only options. You will have to SIM unlock them.
Sprint and Verizon use their own wireless transmission protocol that is, with a few exceptions, incompatible with the rest of the world. In particular, no SIM card

The biggest issue you will find is the lack of phone functionality on the US models.
You should however be able to flash a Euro firmware, and it's quite likely that you get both phone and 3G data on a European network. I couldn't definitively state that this is the case though!
Caveat Emptor!
Regards,
Dave

OK, so you think I would be able to get T-Mobile version, and it should work with the 3G connections in Europe? And if so, can I easily unlock it and put in my SIM card as I have done with other American smartphones I use here?
Thanks

I think you're better of getting the AT&T Tab since it will have the UMTS 850, 1900, 2100 bands, EU uses the 2100, you will have to flash the eu rom on it though... Wait, the TMO Tab also has 2100... IDK someone will have to chime in...
Here's a comparison of the US models and the international Tab:
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/Samsung-Galaxy-Tab-T-Mobile,Samsung-Galaxy-Tab-AT-T,Samsung-Galaxy-Tab/phones/4901,4900,4898

Stevv said:
Hey Everyone,
So I live in Germany but I will be visiting the USA for Thanksgiving weekend. I am contemplating buying the Tab for $550 at Best Buy on black Friday. So if I find it worth it, should I get the Sprint or T-Mobile one? Or can I even use either of them unlocked so I can use 3G with my German Fonic SIM card (I think it uses the O2 networks)?
Thanks
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You might double check.... cus based on my local store and the best buy website... they are only selling Verizon and Sprint tabs... I don't think the will be selling Tmos, according to a Best Buys rep.
But of course Tmo should have them in stock...

If the standard Euro Tab is available in your airport departure lounge, you should be able to pick one up on your outward bound journey VAT free. It might still be more expensive than a US one, but not by much (assuming they are priced similarly to the UK) and would probably be a better bet all round.
Regards,
Dave

xexes said:
You might double check.... cus based on my local store and the best buy website... they are only selling Verizon and Sprint tabs... I don't think the will be selling Tmos, according to a Best Buys rep.
But of course Tmo should have them in stock...
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Oh man you are right sorry my mistake. Thanks for the suggestion Dave I will look for it at the airport and see what the price is.

Stevv said:
OK, so you think I would be able to get T-Mobile version, and it should work with the 3G connections in Europe? And if so, can I easily unlock it and put in my SIM card as I have done with other American smartphones I use here?
Thanks
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how bout you buy the euro tab and ill trade you for my tmous tab

tmobile or ATT is ur only option buddy unless u buy and sell it for some extra cash and uby what u really want

SiL3nTKiLL said:
tmobile or ATT is ur only option buddy unless u buy and sell it for some extra cash and uby what u really want
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Hi from italy....
One question: if i'll buy a Sprint gtab, will it work in italy like a simple wifi device? or i need some sort of activation?

spino1970 said:
Hi from italy....
One question: if i'll buy a Sprint gtab, will it work in italy like a simple wifi device? or i need some sort of activation?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10538263&postcount=3
already answered

will the phone work in UK ?

Hi.
i saw this at amazon
http://wireless.amazon.com/dp/B004KZP4BQ
they are offering it for 600$. my question is, if i buy it, will it work in UK?

It's Quad band
you'll be fine in UK.

black_phantom said:
It's Quad band
you'll be fine in UK.
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Are you sure ? I can buy it and it will work fine ? Thanks

it says near the bottom of the link
This phone runs on AT&T's dual-band 850/1900 MHz 4G network (UMTS/HSDPA/HSPA+), and with HSPA+ you'll experience mobile data speeds up to 4x faster than ordinary mobile broadband--up to approximately 6 Mbps (download). AT&T has deployed HSPA+ to virtually 100 percent of its mobile broadband network, which enables 4G speeds when combined with enhanced backhaul (via Ethernet or fiber).
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Im in UK and interested in this, does amazon ship international?

It's GSM, thus uses sim cards, so that's fine.
According to this page (att.com/shop/wireless/devices/motorola-atrix.jsp#fbid=xjNmRHvaqP6), it supports GSM 850/900/1800/1900MHz (so quad band as mentioned), and if Wikipedia (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM_frequency_bands#Africa.2C_Europe.2C_Middle_East_and_Asia) is to be believed, we Europeans use 800/1900 Mhz frequencies. So it should work.
I doubt you'll get LTE (wrongly marketed as '4G') speeds however if you really want that, don't think any of the carriers here have such infrastructure in place
[edit]Wow, £372 before shipping, tax and customs. Even so that's a full £100 of my estimated unlocked price once this gets released in the UK. That's amazing.

ll_l_x_l_ll said:
Hi.
i saw this at amazon
http://wireless.amazon.com/dp/B004KZP4BQ
they are offering it for 600$. my question is, if i buy it, will it work in UK?
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you will need to get it unlocked but will work fine. question is will they ship to UK and what will customs charge u?
ask amazon for UK shipping.
I might get one too

wireless.amazon.com/help/200307850/ This page here states that it'll only ship to US states.
If you do manage to get one, Swiftunlock.net apparently offers legit worldwide unlock codes for $19.99, so that's one issue out of the way. You'll obviously need a plug adapter but those are like £10 at worst.
This is sound more and more appealing, think I might ask some of my US friend for some help...

Ronaldo_9 said:
you will need to get it unlocked but will work fine. question is will they ship to UK and what will customs charge u?
ask amazon for UK shipping.
I might get one too
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question is, how to get it unlocked?
unlocking the Samsung Galaxy S was easy..just editing a file..

avaxis said:
question is, how to get it unlocked?
unlocking the Samsung Galaxy S was easy..just editing a file..
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It will cost around 15USD to get unlock code, loads of ppl on the forums have already unlocked theirs, there is a thread on it....called unlock codes

hmm so amazon dont do international shipping?

Sim Card --> MicroSim

I live in canada.
When I got my HTC HD 7, I wanted to see who it is compatible with. To know if the phone will work with the carrier,
they check the IMEI number.
Another way to check is to insert the micro sim card. But hardly anyone uses micro-sim card these days.
I will have to buy micro sim which cost $10 from rogers, telus and bell to check if it is compatible.
I dont want to end up paying that much money. Do you guyz know if the device will work on bell or telus or bell?
This is a stupid question but please help me.

I could cut it for free for you if you're in Markham. I have the tool.

^ generous guy
aDVnatgae said:
I live in canada.
When I got my HTC HD 7, I wanted to see who it is compatible with. To know if the phone will work with the carrier,
they check the IMEI number.
Another way to check is to insert the micro sim card. But hardly anyone uses micro-sim card these days.
I will have to buy micro sim which cost $10 from rogers, telus and bell to check if it is compatible.
I dont want to end up paying that much money. Do you guyz know if the device will work on bell or telus or bell?
This is a stupid question but please help me.
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no. this global pentaband phone that comes factory unlocked will not work on ANY carrier anywhere.
how about using google for this extremely simple answer..

You know, it never hurts to ask your local carrier either. My local AT&T store has the tool and told me to bring in my N4 when it gets in and they'll cut my SIM for me, no charge.

If you search google you can download a microsim template for free.

Buying a Sim cost $10 and buying a Micro_Sim also cost $10 in all this big carriers in Canada.
I just dont where where this nexus 4 will be compatible.

aDVnatgae said:
Buying a Sim cost $10 and buying a Micro_Sim also cost $10 in all this big carriers in Canada.
I just dont where where this nexus 4 will be compatible.
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what carrier are you on? is it GSM? if so, pretty much the nexus 4 will work on it then since it has pentaband
so in simpler terms: GSM = nexus 4 will work
and yes, like dondizzurp said, search on google. even better, go to the play store where the device specs is actually there https://play.google.com/store/devic...wNV9uZXh1c1VTXzFfcHJvbW9fMTM1MTg3NzIzNzM2NCJd

The N4 works on ALL Canadian carriers, including Wind and Mobilicity, but you're only going to get DC-HSPA+ 42 on Telus, Bell and their MVNOs.

Check the frequencies
aDVnatgae said:
I live in canada.
When I got my HTC HD 7, I wanted to see who it is compatible with. To know if the phone will work with the carrier,
they check the IMEI number.
Another way to check is to insert the micro sim card. But hardly anyone uses micro-sim card these days.
I will have to buy micro sim which cost $10 from rogers, telus and bell to check if it is compatible.
I dont want to end up paying that much money. Do you guyz know if the device will work on bell or telus or bell?
This is a stupid question but please help me.
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Just check in the Carrier website what frequencies use, Nexus 4 use 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz for GSM
and 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 for 3G, HSDPA. it's almost all the planet frequencies unless LTE.

Can we stop with the sim----> micro sim threads already? There have been at least 10 in the last few days. Search people.

rumthin said:
The N4 works on ALL Canadian carriers, including Wind and Mobilicity, but you're only going to get DC-HSPA+ 42 on Telus, Bell and their MVNOs.
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It won't work with Public Mobile, please don't use ALL or else some people might think it'll work on Public Mobile which it doesn't since it's the only carrier left not using GSM.
deltatux

Get a micro sim cutter its very cheap (ebay) or find some local stores they do the job for you . Enjoy ...

xbutchx said:
You know, it never hurts to ask your local carrier either. My local AT&T store has the tool and told me to bring in my N4 when it gets in and they'll cut my SIM for me, no charge.
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I doubt that will work here (in canada) they won't admit to a phones existence until they sell it, its really sad, I called and asked about the N4 and they kept saying "yeah the galaxy nexus is blah blah blah" was really annoying..
Sent from my HTC Vision using xda app-developers app

OP: As stated by others, the N4 is pentaband HSPA, so it will work on all carriers in Canada.

Togari = Nexus Phablet

This is more of a discussion starter than a question. I recently switched from the Galaxy Nexus to the Note II. I love the size, but I desperately miss the beauty and compatibility my nexus had with AOSP. It just isn't there with the Note II development. Consequently, I'm REALLY rooting for T-Mobile to get the Togari Phablet when it is released.
From my understanding, Sony devices are pretty dang close to nexus devices with the code they release. Ergo, this may be the closest we can get to a nexus phablet for quite some time. I do expect Google to eventually split the nexus phone line into a phablet and more traditional size phone, but that could be a year or two away.

Poke_N_PDA said:
This is more of a discussion starter than a question. I recently switched from the Galaxy Nexus to the Note II. I love the size, but I desperately miss the beauty and compatibility my nexus had with AOSP. It just isn't there with the Note II development. Consequently, I'm REALLY rooting for T-Mobile to get the Togari Phablet when it is released.
From my understanding, Sony devices are pretty dang close to nexus devices with the code they release. Ergo, this may be the closest we can get to a nexus phablet for quite some time. I do expect Google to eventually split the nexus phone line into a phablet and more traditional size phone, but that could be a year or two away.
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I don't see any reason to wait if Carrier X will carry Device Y.
When the device is released, just go and buy it. Carrier branded devices are inferior and very expensive since there is a contract involved or an installment plan in the case of T-Mobile.
So just buy the Togari when it is released. To me, it is downright funny with all those people that asks "will Carrier X sell this device?" or "I hope that carrier X will bring this device in". To me, being dependent on a carrier is just an abnormal behavior. If an interesting device is released somewhere in the world, I just buy it provided that it works with my SIM card.
I look forward to the Togari and if it is really good, I will consider selling the Xperia Z in order to get it.

E90 Commie said:
I don't see any reason to wait if Carrier X will carry Device Y.
When the device is released, just go and buy it. Carrier branded devices are inferior and very expensive since there is a contract involved or an installment plan in the case of T-Mobile.
So just buy the Togari when it is released. To me, it is downright funny with all those people that asks "will Carrier X sell this device?" or "I hope that carrier X will bring this device in". To me, being dependent on a carrier is just an abnormal behavior. If an interesting device is released somewhere in the world, I just buy it provided that it works with my SIM card.
I look forward to the Togari and if it is really good, I will consider selling the Xperia Z in order to get it.
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I feel you. I don't care about if it's got T-Mobile's logo. I just want the frequencies to be right to get decent data speeds. I bought the AT&T Note 2 instead of the T-Mobile because the Wireless Charging pins worked on AT&Ts.
For the frequencies to work, I think we'll likely need to see an official T-Mobile release. US Unlocked versions are becoming more popular, but they are still limited. Given the variety of the major four carriers, how only two are GSM, and those two use mostly different freqs for data, It's hard to "Just go buy the phone" as you state.

I don´t think it is hard to buy a phone outright today. The Xperia Z C6602 offers pentaband and works perfect on both AT&T and T-Mobile. There´s no need for a T-Mobile branded device - all it takes is pentaband.
I know the carrier mess in the country but there are many options and since I am used to the way the system works in the EU, I apply the same standards here. I have owned two carrier branded device in my life and won´t allow a third one to enter. My experience with the Vodafone K700i and Verizon Thunderbolt has put me off.
I am pretty sure that Togari will arrive with pentaband since Xperia Z offers it.
When it comes LTE, it is a no go to me as long as it is connected with carrier branding and a lack of compatibility between EU/US frequencies. The lack of VoLTE is another dealbreaker. I will get it when there is a VoLTE device that is unlocked and works on both sides of the Atlantic ocean. Until that happens, I will use HSPA+ on unlocked pentaband products.

I wrote this in another comment on branded devices:
Use a credit card instead but even better, do the simple math:
Carrier branded device: $99 down payment (depends on the credit rating).
Monthly bill: (Unlimited data) $70 per month
Taxes and fees: $10-20 per month
Monthly installment: $20 per month
Total monthly cost: $100-110 (depending on the regulatory taxes and fees)
Total cost for the device (provided that 24 months of installment is selected):
$99 + $100-110/month x 24 = $2499-2740 (depending on the taxes).
You can trim this by buying it outright and put T-Mobile prepaid on.
Then we have the method I always use:
Unlocked Xperia Z: $599
Monthly cost: $30-49 per month (T-Mobile prepaid $30 plan, Straight Talk (T-Mobile) or Solavei (T-Mobile)
Taxes and fees: $0
Monthly installment: $0
Total monthly cost: $30-49
Total cost during 24 months: $1319-1775
Savings: $965-1180
Don't tell me that a carrier branded device is "cheaper" than the unbranded, unlocked version and please don't complain about device costs when you are ready to sign away $2499-2740 when the alternative saves you approximately $1000.
I don't get people that complain about buying a device unlocked when they are ready sign away a huge amount of money. The same people seem to understand that computers don't cost $99 and then $100 in Internet Service or that TV sets are $199 paired with minimum cable package of $75. They can buy a computer for $699 or a TV set for $699 without complaining. But when it comes to a smartphone, it is a lot of moan and gritting teeth when the price tag says $599 so they prefer to pay $2499 for it instead since they are forced to sign a contract.
T-Mobile don't do contracts any more, I know that perfectly well but the fact remains: a T-Mobile branded device with 24 months of installments paired with service cost a lot more than the unlocked edition.
To me, $2499 and more is way too expensive for a smartphone so I always opt for the cheap route and buy it unlocked. I got a superior device, no carrier bloatware at all, no carrier branding at all, updates straight from the manufacturer, unlockable bootloader (for the Xperia Z) and everything the way Sony intended.
So buying a T-Mobile Xperia Z and truly believing that it is "cheaper" is a less optimum action. But it is obviously not my money, those that want to give $1000+ to a carrier are free to do so. We live in a free world.
But they should not even try to claim that those extra $1000 somehow is a "cheaper" deal. It is like claiming that $10 is more than $20 ($20 is 5 + 1 x 15 in this case).
I prefer to have $1000 in my wallet rather than giving them to a carrier and then "enjoying" branding, bloatware and locked bootloaders.
As I wrote, I wonder how people can buy a new computer, a car, a TV etc without subsidies but when it comes to a phone, then it is disaster to pay $599 and a cheap monthly plan when you can pay $1000 more just in order to think that "I paid only $99 for the device, it is cheaper than $599!"

E90 Commie said:
I don't see any reason to wait if Carrier X will carry Device Y.
When the device is released, just go and buy it. Carrier branded devices are inferior and very expensive since there is a contract involved or an installment plan in the case of T-Mobile.
So just buy the Togari when it is released. To me, it is downright funny with all those people that asks "will Carrier X sell this device?" or "I hope that carrier X will bring this device in". To me, being dependent on a carrier is just an abnormal behavior. If an interesting device is released somewhere in the world, I just buy it provided that it works with my SIM card.
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Whenever I return to the US I'm always astounded at how the carriers can ruin a phone - all the way back to the original Moto Razrs... It makes me feel sorry for the majority US phone customers who accept what the carriers give them actually have no idea what the phone manufacturer intended with the device.

colacin said:
Whenever I return to the US I'm always astounded at how the carriers can ruin a phone - all the way back to the original Moto Razrs... It makes me feel sorry for the majority US phone customers who accept what the carriers give them actually have no idea what the phone manufacturer intended with the device.
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At least now on T-Mobile we can get plans where we aren't losing money by bringing our own phone. That can't be said for the other carriers meaning there is a significant added cost to buying unlocked handsets (higher monthly rates caused by subsidy payback). Additionally, if we want working HSPA+ and LTE (3G/4G), 95% of the time we can't use unlocked handsets or at least can't use them to the network's fullest potential.
For instance, the C6602 Xperia Z doesn't work perfectly. Here are the frequencies.
GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900 and HSPA Bands 850/1900/2100
AT&T uses 1900 for HSPA+, but T-Mobile is actively refarming this frequency and it's coverage for it is low. It's main HSPA+ is on AWS 1700/2100 which doesn't work on this phone. Meanwhile, it lacks LTE all together. Additionally, the C6603 that does have LTE doesn't work on either AT&T or T-Mobile's bands.
With a few exceptions (like the Nexus 4), unlocked devices aren't made for the US because of the carrier lock down and subsidization business model. However that does look to be changing. We are starting to get unlocked US devices (the HTC one for example). However, it's a slow process. So my point is, it's not simple at all. If it was, I would be doing it.

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With a few exceptions (like the Nexus 4), unlocked devices aren't made for the US because of the carrier lock down and subsidization business model. However that does look to be changing. We are starting to get unlocked US devices (the HTC one for example). However, it's a slow process. So my point is, it's not simple at all. If it was, I would be doing it.
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Well, the devices themselves would work fine if given a chance to- it's the carriers who are the problems. After being in Singapore for such a long time where carriers are prohibited from selling locked handsets, visiting the US makes the whole system there seem a bit archaic.
I don't really know how the carriers here do it, since the cost of the phone (to the consumer) is about the same, and the monthly plan is usually cheaper.

colacin said:
Well, the devices themselves would work fine if given a chance to- it's the carriers who are the problems. After being in Singapore for such a long time where carriers are prohibited from selling locked handsets, visiting the US makes the whole system there seem a bit archaic.
I don't really know how the carriers here do it, since the cost of the phone (to the consumer) is about the same, and the monthly plan is usually cheaper.
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yeah. I'm just REALLY hoping T-Mobile's plans catch on so the other carriers adopt it. If that happens, prices will drop like crazy, just like it did for tablets. If you are an American consumer who wants change in the mobile industry, the best thing you can do right now is switch to T-Mobile.

Poke_N_PDA said:
At least now on T-Mobile we can get plans where we aren't losing money by bringing our own phone. That can't be said for the other carriers meaning there is a significant added cost to buying unlocked handsets (higher monthly rates caused by subsidy payback). Additionally, if we want working HSPA+ and LTE (3G/4G), 95% of the time we can't use unlocked handsets or at least can't use them to the network's fullest potential.
For instance, the C6602 Xperia Z doesn't work perfectly. Here are the frequencies.
GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900 and HSPA Bands 850/1900/2100
AT&T uses 1900 for HSPA+, but T-Mobile is actively refarming this frequency and it's coverage for it is low. It's main HSPA+ is on AWS 1700/2100 which doesn't work on this phone. Meanwhile, it lacks LTE all together. Additionally, the C6603 that does have LTE doesn't work on either AT&T or T-Mobile's bands.
With a few exceptions (like the Nexus 4), unlocked devices aren't made for the US because of the carrier lock down and subsidization business model. However that does look to be changing. We are starting to get unlocked US devices (the HTC one for example). However, it's a slow process. So my point is, it's not simple at all. If it was, I would be doing it.
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The specifications for the C6602 says (taken from GSM Arena):
HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 - C6602
The Xperia C 6602 is fully capable of working on T-Mobile even in non-refarmed areas. I tried a SpeedTest on that carrier with my C6602 and got decent speeds.
Then I don't see the point of having LTE in the US just yet. To me, it is only useful if the data plan includes 10 GB or more. 2 GB of LTE data is just not interesting at all since no high quality streaming can be used, especially not if there is a desire to be able to browse the Internet etc.
To me, the most logical option in the US is to buy an unlocked phone and put a prepaid card in since the postpaid plans are just ridiculous. $100 per month for a basic plan is just insane but is the result of the carrier pretending to be a manufacturer (altering devices, buying a huge batch of them, support, recovery of subsidies etc). It is very naive when people believe that it is the "quality" that cost extra. No, it is not the quality but a disastrous business model.
To me, there's no doubt that having a postpaid contract in the US is just a waste of money when an unlocked, unbranded device with a prepaid card offers a superior deal. My experience of postpaid is simply that not even Verizon can be compared with a carrier like 3 in Sweden. When the monthly bill is included in the judgment, it is evident that prepaid and unlocked is the way to go.
For those that are using T-Mobile, their prepaid plans or one of the MVNOs (Straight Talk, Solavei) offers a better deal - especially with an unlocked, unbranded device.
It has been easy for me to ditch the contract and switch over to the unlocked, prepaid route but I am used to that model from Europe. Even if the market conditions in the US is very bad, there are still solutions available so the reasons to stick to postpaid are very limited. And no, 2 GB of LTE data doesn't change that.
I would even say that I rather use EDGE on an unlocked phone rather than LTE with a carrier branded one. To me, branding and $100 monthly bills are such a huge drawback that 2 GB of LTE data just can't compensate. On the same way I rather use a decent computer on a slow Internet connection than an inferior one on a fast connection.
Fortunately, it is possible to get perfectly good HSPA+ data from the MVNOs.

Poke_N_PDA said:
At least now on T-Mobile we can get plans where we aren't losing money by bringing our own phone. That can't be said for the other carriers meaning there is a significant added cost to buying unlocked handsets (higher monthly rates caused by subsidy payback). Additionally, if we want working HSPA+ and LTE (3G/4G), 95% of the time we can't use unlocked handsets or at least can't use them to the network's fullest potential.
For instance, the C6602 Xperia Z doesn't work perfectly. Here are the frequencies.
GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900 and HSPA Bands 850/1900/2100
AT&T uses 1900 for HSPA+, but T-Mobile is actively refarming this frequency and it's coverage for it is low. It's main HSPA+ is on AWS 1700/2100 which doesn't work on this phone. Meanwhile, it lacks LTE all together. Additionally, the C6603 that does have LTE doesn't work on either AT&T or T-Mobile's bands.
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Yeah as noted above me that is incorrect info. The C6602 works just fine on T-Mobile HSPA+
C6602
UMTS HSPA+ 850 (Band V), 900 (Band VIII), 1700 (Band IV), 1900 (Band II), 2100 (Band I) MHz
GSM GPRS/EDGE 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz
But the C6606 is coming soon and will be exclusive.
As for the Togari Sep/Oct US release unlocked.

Is "Togari" just an internal codename or has Sony run out of letters?

23Six said:
Is "Togari" just an internal codename or has Sony run out of letters?
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Internal code name

Spectre51 said:
Yeah as noted above me that is incorrect info. The C6602 works just fine on T-Mobile HSPA+
C6602
UMTS HSPA+ 850 (Band V), 900 (Band VIII), 1700 (Band IV), 1900 (Band II), 2100 (Band I) MHz
GSM GPRS/EDGE 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz
But the C6606 is coming soon and will be exclusive.
As for the Togari Sep/Oct US release unlocked.
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Well, I cut and pasted that info from Amazon.com. So it's only as accurate as that. Good to know Sony is one of the few who offer proper freqs.
Hopefully though T-Mobile's open nature will increase our unlocked offerings. Specifically, I bet the Motorola X will be available. Also, if the Xperia Z is I bet the Togari will be too.

So, back to point of the thread, do people agree that Sony devices work about as well as nexus devices for AOSP roms?