Why is there no gyroscope on this Fail its 2011 sticking to my nexus s look up what a gyroscope will do for speeds and all new 3d future gaming only android phone to have it now is the new nexus s and the iPhone 4 only but come on the nfc chip I can do with out but gyroscope
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Why is there no gyroscope on this Fail its 2011 sticking to my nexus s look up what a gyroscope will do for speeds and all new 3d future gaming only android phone to have it now is the new nexus s and the iPhone 4 only but come on the nfc chip I can do with out but gyroscope
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The gyroscope won't do anything for speed.
Stick with your Nexus S, there is no need to change your phone every 2 months.
Better suggestion, learn some damn grammar and punctuation. Reading posts like that makes me want to punch something.
tsekh501 said:
The gyroscope won't do anything for speed.
Stick with your Nexus S, there is no need to change your phone every 2 months.
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of course he HAS to
just like people got too much money driving new car every 2 months
my suggestion
buy it, try it, if u dont like it give it to me
nucentury08 said:
Why is there no gyroscope on this Fail its 2011 sticking to my nexus s look up what a gyroscope will do for speeds and all new 3d future gaming only android phone to have it now is the new nexus s and the iPhone 4 only but come on the nfc chip I can do with out but gyroscope
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Were you strapped into a moving gyroscope while typing that?
1. A gyroscope does absolutely nothing "for speeds"
2. All that new 3d future gaming you're going to be doing on your phone that doesn't come equipped with a 3d capable screen in the first place? Sure, that gyroscope will be holding you back from that...
Sounds like someone was trying to make it sound like their nexus s is still top dog on the phone market. Sorry, it may have gingerbread, but its not anymore.
The lack of punctuation makes my eyes burn.
Topics with titles that don't cover it make me waste my time replying to it.
Uhh No if I want the atrix I will buy it and with a 2789 quadrant im happy with my nexus s good luck on updates.
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Might wanna look it up reason iPhone 4 has a gyroscope all new games well the top games will be built around it.pick up a iPhone 4 and look at just half there games now im a android guy for life but man we are lacking so bad in games reason I own a iPhone 4
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Doesn't your Nexus S keyboard have any punctuation keys?
Buy a gaming system if you want games, games on cell phones these days are a bit ridiculous. Anything I am going to spend more than 10 minutes playing gets its own device, really how many types of games can you play well with only a touchscreen and gyro for input?
^Exactly.
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nucentury08 said:
Uhh No if I want the atrix I will buy it and with a 2789 quadrant im happy with my nexus s good luck on updates.
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None of the benchmark apps are multi-thread.
In before benchmarks are full of **** and never really show the true processing capability of the phone they are testing.
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Doesn't your Nexus S keyboard have any punctuation keys?
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This made me chuckle.
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Took me a sec, but I got through it. ROFL +1!!!
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Ok - from a phone perspective, what's the difference between a "gyroscope" (which the Atrix does not have), and an accelerometer (which the Atrix does have)?
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Ok - from a phone perspective, what's the difference between a "gyroscope" (which the Atrix does not have), and an accelerometer (which the Atrix does have)?
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I want to know too, can anyone explain?
I haven't researched this phone yet, but this is surprising..... the gyro is useful for many apps.... this is a bit if a fail imo, and it might even make ne re think my next phone
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I haven't researched this phone yet, but this is surprising..... the gyro is useful for many apps.... this is a bit if a fail imo, and it might even make ne re think my next phone
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Again, what is it that you think this phone is missing? I don't remember any of the phones being advertised with a gyroscope!?
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Should I buy a G2 or wait for the newest htc 4g that will come out next year.... carrier doesn't matter to me....
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G2 would be a step down from the Nexus one ... why not get the nexus s if you can't wait for the first quarter of next year?
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Idk abiut tht... i dont like the fact tht it doesn't have a sd card slot.... but im really considering the nexus s... isn't the G2 like the real sucesor of the n1????
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Idk abiut tht... i dont like the fact tht it doesn't have a sd card slot.... but im really considering the nexus s... isn't the G2 like the real sucesor of the n1????
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Wrong sub-forum? and I have a hard time reading the first three words of your statement =/
Also, I suggest waiting. Dual-Core phones next year look pretty promising.
Ok thanks...
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Idk abiut tht... i dont like the fact tht it doesn't have a sd card slot.... but im really considering the nexus s... isn't the G2 like the real sucesor of the n1????
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No the G2 is successor of the G1. Nexus S is supposed to be for the N1.
The G2 has a better chip than the N1 as it has the next gen snapdragon on it.
first of all you have put up a question in a developer forum . You have three choices right now :
1.T-Mobile G2
2.T-Mobile Nexus S
3.T-Mobile Optimus 2 by LG
You should try the Nexus S with hands on and compare it to the Nexus One.
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You should try the Nexus S with hands on and compare it to the Nexus One.
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I did, 8 hours worth at Best Buy
Two things stood out:
1. The Nexus S screen was excellent, both visually and multitouch support
2. The GPU was definitely better when compared on Asphalt 5 and Homerun 3D
But in the end, it wasn't worth the $529 sticker price. It's a good phone, but coming from the Nexus One, it wasn't enough to push me over the edge.
I am so sorry I put my questiooin the wrong forum....
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I haven't have a chance to test out the N2, but the spec of N2 just doesn't seem much improve over the N1 for an upgrade. But if you must buy now, I will still choose the N2 over the rest, if not you can wait till next Jan when companies will announces lots of news at the CES.
Yea..wrong place, Q&A please. Thanks
if you want a "High end" phone able to play Dungeon Defenders and future games, get the Galaxy S or Nexus S. If you don't play games at all or videos and multimedia are not your primary concern stick with the nexus 1. it's fine.
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if you want a "High end" phone able to play Dungeon Defenders and future games, get the Galaxy S or Nexus S. If you don't play games at all or videos and multimedia are not your primary concern stick with the nexus 1. it's fine.
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IS the nexus s faster at flash video than the N1?
i don't know lol
I want a phone tht will let me play games like asphalt.... and also that will let me watch videos... i just don't know bout not being able to expand memory...
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I would definitely wait till HTC's release on dual core android device next year.
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And if you go to now.sprint.com/evo3d it directs you to the home page. That showing they are crediting it.
Can't wait for ctia!!!!!
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interesting.
Would be sweet if it's a beefed up nexus s...if not then fail.
I'm very excited to see the specs on the evo 3d
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twiz0r said:
Would be sweet if it's a beefed up nexus s...if not then fail.
I'm very excited to see the specs on the evo 3d
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I think its going to be similar to the LG optimis 2X. Dual core
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I think its going to be similar to the LG optimis 2X. Dual core
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That's all well and good. Here's to hoping that it is made by htc though.
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That's all well and good. Here's to hoping that it is made by htc though.
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does htc even have dual cores yet?
Does the Nexus S feels like all the other Galaxy S Phones? (Cheap and plasticly)
I really like it but if it feels like crap..it won't last long in my hands
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Well see thats my question.
will the Evo 3d be a Lg phone or a htc phone?
It has that Samsung feel to it, but it's a pretty sweet phone. It feels solid and the little chin bit feels nice in the hand, but I'm not huge on the plastic myself. Nice to see it at least come to Sprint, I'm not entirely sold on these dual cores as I don't game or take in a whole lot of media on it sans music / random videos. 3D phones ... ehh, it should be the big phone of the 2 and I know the 3D toggle will be there ... and there is all that talk about 3D on displays that don't really do it justice ... blah blah blah. I'd consider the Nexus S, especially for just a year. Will be interesting to see what is what.
I'm itching to find out how much it'll sell for. I don't have any problems with selling my Evo to get my hands on a Nexus S on Sprint.
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Does the Nexus S feels like all the other Galaxy S Phones? (Cheap and plasticly)
I really like it but if it feels like crap..it won't last long in my hands
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I played with one at best buy but im too spoiled by my 4.3" screen to have it. Plus I'm not a big Samsung fan, other then that its a really nice looking phone, especially the curves.
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does htc even have dual cores yet?
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they will soon. probably at ctia. but their dual cores are inferior to the tegra/samsung dual cores. @ 1ghz vs 1ghz, htc/qualcomm's is about 25% slower. qualcomm is setting them at 1.2 ghz so it'll make up some of the gap but power consumption will shoot up plus the tegra 2 is 5nm smaller so tegra 2 is overall more power efficient. i'd personally want a tegra 2 but not much of a choice.
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Go to now.sprint.com/nexus and you get an image that credits it
And if you go to now.sprint.com/evo3d it directs you to the home page. That showing they are crediting it.
Can't wait for ctia!!!!!
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why is this being posted again now? This was shown in the other lengthy thread about the new phones coming. Site has been like that for a week, and I wanna say someone posted in that thread saying the nexus one has been like that since it was rumored to come to sprint a long time ago too, and ended up not.
What's the gpu difference on the tegra to snapdragon
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Its just hard to take Samsung serious when it comes to phones. I mean the rule the tv world but I just don't like how they support their phones(taking forever with updates/fixes). Very hard to believe the nexus s is a sammy product and not an HTC.
Nexus S IS NOT SAMSUNG's. For the last time, GOOGLE wanted the phone, GOOGLE gave samsung the specs, GOOGLE tested it, and it's aosp. It is no where close to the **** support that the other samsung craphones get.
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Nexus S IS NOT SAMSUNG's. For the last time, GOOGLE wanted the phone, GOOGLE gave samsung the specs, GOOGLE tested it, and it's aosp. It is no where close to the **** support that the other samsung craphones get.
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It has Samsung insides, its plagued with some galaxy s bugs and they threw aosp on it. Hate to say it buddy but its a Samsung phone IMO. But thanks for your angry reply, wasn't necessary but I appreciate it.
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Last-Chance said:
Nexus S IS NOT SAMSUNG's. For the last time, GOOGLE wanted the phone, GOOGLE gave samsung the specs, GOOGLE tested it, and it's aosp. It is no where close to the **** support that the other samsung craphones get.
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And uh, who manufactured the phone again?
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And uh, who manufactured the phone again?
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Right dude lol. Hey maybe Toyota will make a car and let BMW slap a BMW navigation inside and BMW stickers and sell it as a BMW.
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Lol very valid points. But the evo successor is on its way and lets hope its manufactured by HTC and has a way better screen than right now so we don't have to worry about light leakage.
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I came from the EVO to epic so im very familiar with evos style and how its handles as a smartphone but damn that EVO 3D looks very temping to go back.. and just in time for my yearly upgrade in july when it looks to be dropping i might just go plung for it and do like i do all my other phones including the epic and EBAY It...
how about the rest of yall? Nexus S doesnt appeal to me
Yes. 10char
EDIT: That is, yes, I am keeping my Epic.
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Yes. 10char
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then comes to question am i willing to go without a keyboard again.. ill have to look deeper into the display once it does hit the store.
I've been buying AMOLED devices since 2008.
No AMOLED, no purchase.
definitely keeping the epic. it does everything and more I could possibly want from a phone. I'm not really buying into this whole 3d thing yet either.
It all depends on how good the screen & display looks.
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i'm not buying into the stereoscopic display.
Im sticking with the epic. Im pretty sure the 3d effect on the evo3d is going to be crap like the nintendo ds 3d. Garbage
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Nah. I'm good.
The epic does everything I want, so why change? 3D is a marketing scam...
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Nah. I'm good.
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Best answer ever lol simple and straight to the point
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Defintely. And stop hating on 3d. You dont have to use the 3d function. Its still a dual core phone with 1gb of ram qhd screen with super lcd
I'm switching... don't think I can go for another samsung phone again......
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I'm definitely switching
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The epic is the best smartphone they have right now. I do not consider a phone without a keyboard a smartphone. I can't stand when someone hands me a phone to type a message...setup some things etc...when it is a virtual keyboard.
Nothing to see here, move along. I'm keeping my Epic
I wonder how the 1.2 dual core does in quadrant scores and linpacks ............ lol with the extra boost of ram, thats what my main eyes on.. its a evo supercharged and i did miss my evo so i would love to see how it is.. samsung to me been a **** up, developers shouldnt work so hard to do what they shoulda had done right from first go around and im an all time htc fan...i love their quality hardware, never had a problem with em.. keyboard i will miss but, i can type better on glass than on samsungs skipped keyboard.... *even with the patches* :/
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I would never pay retail price for a phone and I don't get upgraded for another 14 months.
aka no.
Absolutely NO! Did you all see what happened to the Evo Shift? That thing benchedmark looooowwwww! And not to mention the down grade on the screen. Really? Htc, your doing it wrong.
And if the 3d looks like the nds, shot yourself in the nuts.
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I can't stand the Epic. Ideally, I'd go back to iOS but Sprint doesn't have an Iphone. Anyhow, the answer is no. I'll probably get an EVO 3D.
Anyone interested
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Wrong section. Doubt anyone would be here if they had a Nexus.
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Wrong section. Doubt anyone would be here if they had a Nexus.
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I was about to say the same thing lol.... you'd probably get some hits over at the nexus s forums?
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I was about to say the same thing lol.... you'd probably get some hits over at the nexus s forums?
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Considering over half the nexus s 4g owners are epic refugees I wouldn't count on it.
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True but I know a few people that went back to the epic cause they missed the keyboard to much
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True but I know a few people that went back to the epic cause they missed the keyboard to much
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Psh I know I would, this thing is amazing
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Anyone interested
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Y would u want to go and do a thing like that. Wait for the s2 if u don't want a keyboard. Then u would at least b stepping up.
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ummmmmm this is an EPIC board for people the like there phones why dont you try the market.
iam not going to waste my 100th post to say this so iam going to add to this as you can read you are in the wrong place try again in the other board
Call Sprint and get your upgrade qualification early (the 1 year upgrade eligibilty). Sell Epic, get a couple of hundred bucks from someone who doesn't want to be on a new contract. Use money from sale and upgrade eligibilty to get a Nexus S 4G. for free or almost free.
Thx for all the responses, but I'm only looking for someone interested in trading
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Thx for all the responses, but I'm only looking for someone interested in trading
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notice how no one has replied yet?
I have a Nexus and I'm here. As a NExus owner I can say that it's not all it's cracked up to be. There are some pretty big downsides to the Nexus, especially coming from the Epic. They are as follows:
1) NO CODEC SUPPORT. This is a very big one. It won't even play .wma
2) No zoom or widescreen mode on the camera.
3) NO HD VIDEO RECORDING. This may NEVER get fixed as it's rumored to be hardware limitations.
4) Things like not being able to access notifications while the dialer is open are annoying.
Now the positives:
1) It's AWESOME.
2) There is a good chance most of the downsides will be fixed.
3) The curved screen is really nice
4) the build quality, I feel is better then the Epic.
5) Everything just works
Before you make the switch just make sure you know what you are getting into and be willing to wait for things to get addressed. Dreams has been VERY busy porting the crap out of stuff like the toggles in the notification menu. Follow his progress he's doing awesome stuff.
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Thx for all the responses, but I'm only looking for someone interested in trading
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I'll trade you for my Epic. Its just like the Nexus S but has a keyboard and Gorilla glass. Plus I can control the brightness by sliding my finger along the status bar among other things.
1) NO CODEC SUPPORT. This is a very big one. It won't even play .wma
4) Things like not being able to access notifications while the dialer is open are annoying.
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While they're not big deal-breakers, this makes me very sad.
But wait..can it at least play mp3?
stir fry a lot said:
I'll trade you for my Epic. Its just like the Nexus S but has a keyboard and Gorilla glass. Plus I can control the brightness by sliding my finger along the status bar among other things.
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I have an Epic, looking for nexus
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Running Paranoid Android and in playing with the One I have noticed it is generally smoother. Could this be the software?
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Running Paranoid Android and in playing with the One I have noticed it is generally smoother. Could this be the software?
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its the hardware, and maybe some proprietary bits in the software.
I thought with the s4 pro we were at the point we had more power than was needed to run our phones at top speed though. Was I wrong?
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I thought with the s4 pro we were at the point we had more power than was needed to run our phones at top speed though. Was I wrong?
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there are always optimizations that can make thing a little better. most of the optimizations(like dalvik) on nexus phones would be propritary. plus the cpu is a more recent revision(among other things).
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I thought with the s4 pro we were at the point we had more power than was needed to run our phones at top speed though. Was I wrong?
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Ya Android could be optimized more. **** the extra bells and whisles that come with the next version, give me a god damn smooth experience!! Seriously, Nexus 4 should be butter. BUTTER!!!
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Of course it's faster. It has a Snapdragon 600 processor. In other breaking news, water is wet, and the sky is blue.
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Ya Android could be optimized more. **** the extra bells and whisles that come with the next version, give me a god damn smooth experience!! Seriously, Nexus 4 should be butter. BUTTER!!!
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I agree. Android should be optimised for the Nexus range ONLY, like Apple do with iOS. Only then will it ever be a perfectly smooth experience.
If other companies wanna put out 15 Android phones a year, then they should do their own optimisations to ensure it runs properly.
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I agree. Android should be optimised for the Nexus range ONLY, like Apple do with iOS. Only then will it ever be a perfectly smooth experience.
If other companies wanna put out 15 Android phones a year, then they should do their own optimisations to ensure it runs properly.
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They do do their own optimizations... they optimize their Android manufacturer skins (TouchWiz, HTC Sense, etc)
It may feel faster but that's only cos of the transitions HTC have added in, they have minimised many that are in stock android and sped up a few as well, thus overall giving the illusion that it runs faster :L
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Its probably the software HTC uses. Try the S4 Touch wiz launcher on the Nexus 4. Really smooth. Smoother than the stock one
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I thought with the s4 pro we were at the point we had more power than was needed to run our phones at top speed though. Was I wrong?
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That's bs. Any truthful Nexus 4 owner will tell you that there's still lag and slowdowns here and there. If Google had more ex-engineers from apple then we'd probably have better software *cough* camera.
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That's bs. Any truthful Nexus 4 owner will tell you that there's still lag and slowdowns here and there. If Google had more ex-engineers from apple then we'd probably have better software *cough* camera.
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i hear, rumors of course, that they are gonna focus(pardon the pun) on the camera on the next nexus.
The HTC One is a beautiful device. It's specs are amazing. I just wish it didn't have to cost over $500-$600. It would be sweeter if HTC makes the next Nexus smartphone.
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The HTC One is a beautiful device. It's specs are amazing. I just wish it didn't have to cost over $500-$600. It would be sweeter if HTC makes the next Nexus smartphone.
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I'd have to avoid it. I hate HTC. My phone LCD cable stops working and you know what they told me?
"You took the HTC dev unlock, it'll cost $250 to fix"
Yes because software breaks your display cable. And thats when I ran it over with my truck
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The HTC One is a beautiful device. It's specs are amazing. I just wish it didn't have to cost over $500-$600. It would be sweeter if HTC makes the next Nexus smartphone.
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Well they had their turn with the first one... supposedly right now it's between Motorola and LG. It would be weird if it was LG again, from what I heard before Google liked to switch from manufacturer to manufacturer for promotional purposes.
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Well they had their turn with the first one... supposedly right now it's between Motorola and LG. It would be weird if it was LG again, from what I heard before Google liked to switch from manufacturer to manufacturer for promotional purposes.
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They kept Samsung for 2 cycles.
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They kept Samsung for 2 cycles.
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I think a Sony Xperia Nexus sounds pretty neat. But if Google makes a Motorola Nexus, it better be mind blowing.
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