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Negative posting on the Atrix and ATT&T!!!!

All you guys that are posting all the negative stuff here about AT&T and the Atrix....... Get a life..... If you don't want the Atrix then don't get it! If you don't like AT&T then don't get the Atrix! There are TONS of great android phones out there from every wireless carrier.
Seriously you are guys are just too much! No one is FORCING you to buy the phone or have AT&T if you don't want to this is controlled by your choices.
Give it a rest...I have 3 lines on AT&T and one on Sprint. I never have a problem with either one...... Every carrier charges a premium for there high end phones and 4G ALL of them do!

and by posting this you start a flame war. was it really necessary?

Also, you misspelled AT&T in the title.
I don't think a post of this type is necessary; while I agree 100%, I doubt that this thread will stop any of the activity that it is meant to.

johnnydeathmatch said:
Also, you misspelled AT&T in the title.
I don't think a post of this type is necessary; while I agree 100%, I doubt that this thread will stop any of the activity that it is meant to.
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Lol...yes I did misspell AT&T in the title.....
I just was frustrated with all the troll postings about this phone. People come to learn about this phone. Not have to wade through all the negative postings about AT&T and the new phone. Its almost as if by design they are trying to discourage interest in the Atrix.....

Sorry, nothing wrong with voicing disappointment. You can continue to spend tons of money on overpriced stuff if you want. The rest of us will give them feedback and hope they learn.

eallan said:
Sorry, nothing wrong with voicing disappointment. You can continue to spend tons of money on overpriced stuff if you want. The rest of us will give them feedback and hope they learn.
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i agree with you about constructive feedback. But none of the posters have even seen the phone yet. Its not available for demo in the stores until the 13th. So how can they be so negative about it? Has anyone seen it yet? Does anyone have service with the phone that can tell us exactly what the charges and plan looks like? I will wait until I can actually see the phone and talk to an at&t rep and get more info.....

eallan said:
Sorry, nothing wrong with voicing disappointment. You can continue to spend tons of money on overpriced stuff if you want. The rest of us will give them feedback and hope they learn.
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I suppose, although I'm not sure how anything posted here has been useful or a benefit to anyone in any way whatsoever.
I'm not sure how it's tons of money on overpriced stuff. Besides the obvious fact that value is subjective, which means that something may not be worth even $200 to you, but may be worth $300 to me.
Aside from that, top of the line phones cost around $200 these days. At least third party retailers are allowed to discount Android phones, unlike iPhones. I paid $150 for my Captivate last year at BB (it was still $200 @ AT&T), and I'll be paying $150 for the Atrix (or $200 if the Costco/BB leaks weren't true, which IMHO they are). Not sure how the Atrix is overpriced.
If you are referring to the laptop dock, then personally I would have to agree with you regarding its price. However, that is an accessory. Accessories are always overpriced. If you don't want it, don't buy it. I suspect most people won't, and I suspect it will drop in price pretty quickly. It is the first device of its kind, so if you buy it you are being an early adopter, and it costs a lot to be an early adopter. That's just life. Wait a few months, perhaps there will be third party solutions, or the price will have dropped to something that you can afford. No use crying over spilled milk.
Honestly, it doesn't seem like it would be too hard to build something like the laptop dock. Have a base that holds a bluetooth keyboard and a docking slot for the Atrix where you want your trackpad to be, attach one of those PS LCDs to the top and throw in some batteries. I'm sure it could be done for a couple of hundred bucks. Less, if you're creative.

johnnydeathmatch said:
I suppose, although I'm not sure how anything posted here has been useful or a benefit to anyone in any way whatsoever.
I'm not sure how it's tons of money on overpriced stuff. Besides the obvious fact that value is subjective, which means that something may not be worth even $200 to you, but may be worth $300 to me.
Aside from that, top of the line phones cost around $200 these days. At least third party retailers are allowed to discount Android phones, unlike iPhones. I paid $150 for my Captivate last year at BB (it was still $200 @ AT&T), and I'll be paying $150 for the Atrix (or $200 if the Costco/BB leaks weren't true, which IMHO they are). Not sure how the Atrix is overpriced.
If you are referring to the laptop dock, then personally I would have to agree with you regarding its price. However, that is an accessory. Accessories are always overpriced. If you don't want it, don't buy it. I suspect most people won't, and I suspect it will drop in price pretty quickly. It is the first device of its kind, so if you buy it you are being an early adopter, and it costs a lot to be an early adopter. That's just life. Wait a few months, perhaps there will be third party solutions, or the price will have dropped to something that you can afford. No use crying over spilled milk.
Honestly, it doesn't seem like it would be too hard to build something like the laptop dock. Have a base that holds a bluetooth keyboard and a docking slot for the Atrix where you want your trackpad to be, attach one of those PS LCDs to the top and throw in some batteries. I'm sure it could be done for a couple of hundred bucks. Less, if you're creative.
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$200 for the phone is fine. It's a standard that seems to hold.
The trackpad and the tethering plan are the ridiculous greedy practices no one should support. Subjectivity of value or not, an extra $20 a month to use that data you already pay for in a cradle is asinine.

jamezr said:
i agree with you about constructive feedback. But none of the posters have even seen the phone yet. Its not available for demo in the stores until the 13th. So how can they be so negative about it? Has anyone seen it yet? Does anyone have service with the phone that can tell us exactly what the charges and plan looks like? I will wait until I can actually see the phone and talk to an at&t rep and get more info.....
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Well you don't need to hold the device to know about the tethering rip off. Or double a netbook price for a screen, battery, and keyboard.
The phone itself isn't garnering much $ complaints as far as I've seen.

eallan said:
$200 for the phone is fine. It's a standard that seems to hold.
The trackpad and the tethering plan are the ridiculous greedy practices no one should support. Subjectivity of value or not, an extra $20 a month to use that data you already pay for in a cradle is asinine.
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So don't support them if you don't want it. I don't see how complaining about it on XDA is helping anyone, though.
All the comparisons that people are drawing here, comparing the dock to a netbook (e.g., why not just get a netbook) are missing the point: it is most definitely not a netbook. If it was, it would be priced like a netbook. It is different than a netbook, different functionality, although they do serve a similar purpose. Lots of people buy Macs (not me ), despite the fact that they cost more than an equivalent PC would. For some of us, not everything is about what the cheapest alternative is.
This is a completely new category of product, and being the first person to own it will cost a lot, similar to the original iPhone.
The tethering plan isn't required if you buy the dock separately, and even if you buy them together, you can just cancel tethering. There's nothing to stop you.
If it turns out that the laptop dock (or any other dock, or use of the webtop environment), has some feature to alert AT&T of your usage without a tethering plan or block you from using it without a tethering plan, then I would agree. However, nobody has shown that to be the case at this point. My guess would be that the security measure would be defeated to allow this without paying for tethering within a few days.

johnnydeathmatch said:
So don't support them if you don't want it. I don't see how complaining about it on XDA is helping anyone, though.
All the comparisons that people are drawing here, comparing the dock to a netbook (e.g., why not just get a netbook) are missing the point: it is most definitely not a netbook. If it was, it would be priced like a netbook. It is different than a netbook, different functionality, although they do serve a similar purpose. Lots of people buy Macs (not me ), despite the fact that they cost more than an equivalent PC would. For some of us, not everything is about what the cheapest alternative is.
This is a completely new category of product, and being the first person to own it will cost a lot, similar to the original iPhone.
The tethering plan isn't required if you buy the dock separately, and even if you buy them together, you can just cancel tethering. There's nothing to stop you.
If it turns out that the laptop dock (or any other dock, or use of the webtop environment), has some feature to alert AT&T of your usage without a tethering plan or block you from using it without a tethering plan, then I would agree. However, nobody has shown that to be the case at this point. My guess would be that the security measure would be defeated to allow this without paying for tethering within a few days.
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Don't want to lose my unlimited. And bad publicity is only a good thing or the consumer. I guess I don't understand defending those trying to milk you for tons of $$. I'd rather have a good deal on these things than defend a high price.

eallan said:
Don't want to lose my unlimited. And bad publicity is only a good thing or the consumer. I guess I don't understand defending those trying to milk you for tons of $$. I'd rather have a good deal on these things than defend a high price.
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I don't know anyone who wouldn't rather have a good deal. I'd love it if the dock came for free with the phone, along with a free keg and some strippers. But, unfortunately, we live in reality where stuff costs money and companies have to make money to keep coming out with cool products like the Atrix. If Motorola wants to charge $500 for the dock, then more power to them. I'm happy for it, and you know why? Because they invented the damn thing! Do you see any other phones with laptop docks? No.
Will I buy it for $500? No, because to me $500 is better than that dock. If the dock drops to $50, will I buy it? As long as its hackable. But if Motorola left it to you or me to decide what we wanted to pay for their stuff, they wouldn't ever make a profit. Then they couldn't make things like this any more. Do all the parts and pieces in the dock come to a total of $500? Definitely not, otherwise they wouldn't be able to make any money off of it, and therefore wouldn't make it in the first place. Does it bother you how much higher the retail price is than what the parts cost is? Then why don't you build something better for less.
Why is it that if Motorola spends millions of dollars on R&D, they shouldn't be able to make a profit off of that work and investment? If they can't do that, then why would they bother to create things like the Atrix & dock in the first place? Would you work for 6 months or a year for free so that you could sell a laptop dock for a phone at cost? Nope. So stop whining.
How does bad publicity automatically equal good for the consumer? That's probably one of the dumbest statements I've ever seen on this forum. 60 Minutes gave lots of bad publicity to Audi for unintended acceleration which turned out to be fake, how was that good for consumers? Or anyone outside of 60 Minutes? It hurt consumers, because Audi was almost killed off as a brand in the US, which would have offered fewer choices, and it influenced consumer buying decisions away from a product which may have been superior to the choice they ultimately made due to bad information.

johnnydeathmatch said:
I don't know anyone who wouldn't rather have a good deal. I'd love it if the dock came for free with the phone, along with a free keg and some strippers. But, unfortunately, we live in reality where stuff costs money and companies have to make money to keep coming out with cool products like the Atrix. If Motorola wants to charge $500 for the dock, then more power to them. I'm happy for it, and you know why? Because they invented the damn thing! Do you see any other phones with laptop docks? No.
Will I buy it for $500? No, because to me $500 is better than that dock. If the dock drops to $50, will I buy it? As long as its hackable. But if Motorola left it to you or me to decide what we wanted to pay for their stuff, they wouldn't ever make a profit. Then they couldn't make things like this any more. Do all the parts and pieces in the dock come to a total of $500? Definitely not, otherwise they wouldn't be able to make any money off of it, and therefore wouldn't make it in the first place. Does it bother you how much higher the retail price is than what the parts cost is? Then why don't you build something better for less.
Why is it that if Motorola spends millions of dollars on R&D, they shouldn't be able to make a profit off of that work and investment? If they can't do that, then why would they bother to create things like the Atrix & dock in the first place? Would you work for 6 months or a year for free so that you could sell a laptop dock for a phone at cost? Nope. So stop whining.
How does bad publicity automatically equal good for the consumer? That's probably one of the dumbest statements I've ever seen on this forum. 60 Minutes gave lots of bad publicity to Audi for unintended acceleration which turned out to be fake, how was that good for consumers? Or anyone outside of 60 Minutes? It hurt consumers, because Audi was almost killed off as a brand in the US, which would have offered fewer choices, and it influenced consumer buying decisions away from a product which may have been superior to the choice they ultimately made due to bad information.
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Feedback is invaluable. Good or bad. If most consumers think something is a terrible value, then the company ought to know, period.
Nobody said anything about profit. Of course we understand that. Should a Honda civic cost 12 million dollars because someone else didn't do the r&d and make it?
Continue to defend obvious ridiculous pricing. I will do the opposite. Thanks.

It seems as though all those that continuously beet down the Atrix secretly like it, because if I don't like something I move on. Why some need to be negative over and over and over with every post is beyond me.

jamezr said:
all you guys that are posting all the negative stuff here about at&t and the atrix....... Get a life..... If you don't want the atrix then don't get it! If you don't like at&t then don't get the atrix! There are tons of great android phones out there from every wireless carrier.
Seriously you are guys are just too much! No one is forcing you to buy the phone or have at&t if you don't want to this is controlled by your choices.
Give it a rest...i have 3 lines on at&t and one on sprint. I never have a problem with either one...... Every carrier charges a premium for there high end phones and 4g all of them do!
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then what the hell is this forum for? Why are we all here? This is part of it.

eallan said:
Feedback is invaluable. Good or bad. If most consumers think something is a terrible value, then the company ought to know, period.
Nobody said anything about profit. Of course we understand that. Should a Honda civic cost 12 million dollars because someone else didn't do the r&d and make it?
Continue to defend obvious ridiculous pricing. I will do the opposite. Thanks.
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You are right feedback is invaluable to companies and existing and potential consumers. Now how can you give feedback for something you have NEVER used?
Do you have a bill showing us how overcharged you have been from AT&T? Can you show us how much a rip off the data plan is for this phone? Can you show us you invaluable feedback on the phone and difference the bill was on your existing FamilyTalk plan you have with AT&T? So how valuable is your feedback considering you have never used the phone and cannot say what the billing impact was to your new or existing wireless bill/plan?????
You can't do any of those so what value can you criticism be????

sdlopez83 said:
then what the hell is this forum for? Why are we all here? This is part of it.
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You have a point,,,we are all here to discuss and exchange info on the new phone and everything involved or about it. But it just seems like most of what I have been seeing was so negative. Thing is no one knows yet. No one has a bill saying this is what it was before and this what it is now....There just seemed to be a lot posters trolling with negative posts when no one knows yet. I want to discuss the phone and its new technical aspects and the carrier but not have to wade through all the blatant negativity.....

eallan said:
Nobody said anything about profit. Of course we understand that. Should a Honda civic [sic] cost 12 million dollars [sic] because someone else didn't do the r&d [sic] and make it?
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The Honda Civic isn't the world's first car. Guess what, even if the Civic cost $12 million, it isn't up to you what it costs. If you don't like it, you are free to start your own company and build your own car. Failing that, you can shop elsewhere. Trolling the Honda Civic forums is probably not the best idea you could come up with, however. Perhaps you could visit the forum of a car that you do own, or a car that you can afford to buy when it comes out.
Continue to defend obvious ridiculous pricing. I will do the opposite. Thanks [sic].
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The pricing is what it is. If you can't afford it, get a better job so that you can. Anyone can find out the price of the Atrix and its accessories, and you calling their pricing 'ridiculous' doesn't help anyone here. Everyone can make up their own mind about the pricing, and decide for themselves whether or not they would like to buy the phone and/or its accessories.

jamezr said:
You are right feedback is invaluable to companies and existing and potential consumers. Now how can you give feedback for something you have NEVER used?
Do you have a bill showing us how overcharged you have been from AT&T? Can you show us how much a rip off the data plan is for this phone? Can you show us you invaluable feedback on the phone and difference the bill was on your existing FamilyTalk plan you have with AT&T? So how valuable is your feedback considering you have never used the phone and cannot say what the billing impact was to your new or existing wireless bill/plan?????
You can't do any of those so what value can you criticism be????
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Customer perception of value can only occur if I have had personal hands on time with the device? Like the build quality of the keyboard will suddenly make it worth 500 bucks? Get out of here.
I don't get to set the atrix accessories price, or the honda civic. However, as a consumer interested in these product I can damn sure state my dissatisfaction with their current price points on some items. I can actually do it all day long, without starting my own cell phone company.
You don't know what I do, how much I charge or anything. Just because my expertise lies elsewhere doesn't mean I don't have the right to tell a company or a forum of users how I (I'm also not alone, all the press has ripped them for the dock pricing) feel.
I'll continue to state my opinions, you do the same. Trust me, I don't need a better job. Thanks though!

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Customer perception of value can only occur if I have had personal hands on time with the device? Like the build quality of the keyboard will suddenly make it worth 500 bucks? Get out of here.
I don't get to set the atrix accessories price, or the honda civic. However, as a consumer interested in these product I can damn sure state my dissatisfaction with their current price points on some items. I can actually do it all day long, without starting my own cell phone company.
You don't know what I do, how much I charge or anything. Just because my expertise lies elsewhere doesn't mean I don't have the right to tell a company or a forum of users how I (I'm also not alone, all the press has ripped them for the dock pricing) feel.
I'll continue to state my opinions, you do the same. Trust me, I don't need a better job. Thanks though!
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You're welcome!

The thing that makes me nervous...

Is that I have not seen a review of the Xoom anywhere. Has anybody else? Somehow Motorola was able to get a Xoom in Chad Ochocinco's hands a month ago but I haven't seen any evidence that Motorola has shipped review units to media members. Will we have to wait until after release on Thursday to see any reviews? This release has been so shady that I'm waiting until after I see a credible reviewer verify all of Motorola's claims before I consider purchasing.

Jrockttu said:
Is that I have not seen a review of the Xoom anywhere. Has anybody else? Somehow Motorola was able to get a Xoom in Chad Ochocinco's hands a month ago but I haven't seen any evidence that Motorola has shipped review units to media members. Will we have to wait until after release on Thursday to see any reviews? This release has been so shady that I'm waiting until after I see a credible reviewer verify all of Motorola's claims before I consider purchasing.
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There have been countless reviews. You mean you want an in-depth detailed review from someone who gets to use the device "in the wild". That is not out yet, and that is normal for a new device of this sort. The devices we have seen so far aren't ready for primetime, and we can only hope that the XOOM I pick up in 4 days is ready.
The release isn't shady, it's just a little rushed. They are trying to bring the device to market ASAP. Would you rather they push the release by a month and send out samples to reviewers? I think the review I put on YouTube will be better than most professional reviews, except for the methodical, if anecdotal, reviews Engadget and other upper echelon tech blogs post.

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There have been countless reviews. You mean you want an in-depth detailed review from someone who gets to use the device "in the wild". That is not out yet, and that is normal for a new device of this sort. The devices we have seen so far aren't ready for primetime, and we can only hope that the XOOM I pick up in 4 days is ready.
The release isn't shady, it's just a little rushed. They are trying to bring the device to market ASAP. Would you rather they push the release by a month and send out samples to reviewers? I think the review I put on YouTube will be better than most professional reviews, except for the methodical, if anecdotal, reviews Engadget and other upper echelon tech blogs post.
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I disagree. It is shady in the way they are forcing people to pay an extra $35 activation fee plus $20 min service just to activate WiFi. Yes, it is stated in the small print but still, bad business and shady in my mind.

keitht said:
I disagree. It is shady in the way they are forcing people to pay an extra $35 activation fee plus $20 min service just to activate WiFi. Yes, it is stated in the small print but still, bad business and shady in my mind.
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If you consider that Verizon has put money into this project, it's fair to expect them to make a profit on each unit. I think that they should have worked something out with Best Buy that allowed them to take a cut from the 800$, but the result would have been the tablet costing 850$.
Hasn't a rumor been floating around that buying direct from Verizon would require no activation? As counter-intuitive as that may sound, it tracks as Motorola is selling the XOOM 3G wholesale for 550$. So if BB sells it, they keep the 250$ difference, if Verizon sells it, they don't need you to pay for a month of service because they have already made 250$.
It's not shady, but arguably bad business from a consumer image angle. People who don't understand what is going on, or people who simply don't care will look poorly upon the policy. Knowing that there is a WiFi Only version for 200$ less down the road should assuage any issues. But you still have the right to be mad, even if it just gives you heartburn

setite said:
If you consider that Verizon has put money into this project, it's fair to expect them to make a profit on each unit. I think that they should have worked something out with Best Buy that allowed them to take a cut from the 800$, but the result would have been the tablet costing 850$.
Hasn't a rumor been floating around that buying direct from Verizon would require no activation? As counter-intuitive as that may sound, it tracks as Motorola is selling the XOOM 3G wholesale for 550$. So if BB sells it, they keep the 250$ difference, if Verizon sells it, they don't need you to pay for a month of service because they have already made 250$.
It's not shady, but arguably bad business from a consumer image angle. People who don't understand what is going on, or people who simply don't care will look poorly upon the policy. Knowing that there is a WiFi Only version for 200$ less down the road should assuage any issues. But you still have the right to be mad, even if it just gives you heartburn
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You sound like a lawyer It is bad business and consumers will speak with their wallets. This price point will not ultimately work. And we still do not know actual issues with the device including what is going on with the SD support. I was all excited about this before but now, I cannot see paying $900 without a single accessory.

keitht said:
You sound like a lawyer It is bad business and consumers will speak with their wallets. This price point will not ultimately work. And we still do not know actual issues with the device including what is going on with the SD support. I was all excited about this before but now, I cannot see paying $900 without a single accessory.
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Yup. I am planning to go to law school . I agree with you. I just have a habit of playing devil's advocate, and trying to inform other consumers so they don't get enraged and end up hurting themselves by getting angry and making sweeping statements they can't take back. Like when Steve Jobs got angry and committed to never having flash, and forever people like me who need flash can't buy an iPad.

setite said:
There have been countless reviews. You mean you want an in-depth detailed review from someone who gets to use the device "in the wild". That is not out yet, and that is normal for a new device of this sort. The devices we have seen so far aren't ready for primetime, and we can only hope that the XOOM I pick up in 4 days is ready.
The release isn't shady, it's just a little rushed. They are trying to bring the device to market ASAP. Would you rather they push the release by a month and send out samples to reviewers? I think the review I put on YouTube will be better than most professional reviews, except for the methodical, if anecdotal, reviews Engadget and other upper echelon tech blogs post.
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I haven't seen a single review, just a few hands-on impressions in a controlled environment. I want something that validates the 10 hour battery life and that tells me if the OS is buggy, etc.
I consider it a shady release for the reasons already covered in this thread. The $800 price tag is high, but reasonable, until you consider that it's a $200 premium for 3g/4g, you have to activate data to unlock wifi, and they'll charge you an activation fee of $35 any time you turn on the data. That last part is the biggest kick in the nuts. Motorola, Verizon, and the retailers are all trying to get their cut of the device and the consumers are the ones being punished.

Jrockttu said:
I haven't seen a single review, just a few hands-on impressions in a controlled environment. I want something that validates the 10 hour battery life and that tells me if the OS is buggy, etc.
I consider it a shady release for the reasons already covered in this thread. The $800 price tag is high, but reasonable, until you consider that it's a $200 premium for 3g/4g, you have to activate data to unlock wifi, and they'll charge you an activation fee of $35 any time you turn on the data. That last part is the biggest kick in the nuts. Motorola, Verizon, and the retailers are all trying to get their cut of the device and the consumers are the ones being punished.
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Agreed. The last part is indeed a true roshambo kick in the nards. I am quite cross about that particular detail as it sort of defeats the purpose of month to month, and makes no sense given my admittedly limited knowledge of how CDMA works. AFAIK all that should be necessary is an OTA provisioning of the tablet when you want to enable service. Something I do on a regular basis for my dad who goes through a new phone every 6 months. He buys crappy flip phones on ebay for 20$ and I activate them using a combination of the Verizon website and a # code on the phone. Easy Peasy, no cost. This makes it clear that they are trying to get you to just keep a minimal data plan month to month, because without a gap of 2 months or more, you will be paying more in the grand scheme if you pay an activation fee each time you lapse. It's almost like a late fee.

Jrockttu said:
I haven't seen a single review, just a few hands-on impressions in a controlled environment. I want something that validates the 10 hour battery life and that tells me if the OS is buggy, etc.
I consider it a shady release for the reasons already covered in this thread. The $800 price tag is high, but reasonable, until you consider that it's a $200 premium for 3g/4g, you have to activate data to unlock wifi, and they'll charge you an activation fee of $35 any time you turn on the data. That last part is the biggest kick in the nuts. Motorola, Verizon, and the retailers are all trying to get their cut of the device and the consumers are the ones being punished.
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It's up the the manufacturer to release the reviewers from the NDA and let them post reviews. The sheer number of developers that have the Xoom is proof that reviewers have had them for a while. Usually reviews don't come out until the device is actually for sale.

Jrockttu said:
Is that I have not seen a review of the Xoom anywhere. Has anybody else? Somehow Motorola was able to get a Xoom in Chad Ochocinco's hands a month ago but I haven't seen any evidence that Motorola has shipped review units to media members. Will we have to wait until after release on Thursday to see any reviews? This release has been so shady that I'm waiting until after I see a credible reviewer verify all of Motorola's claims before I consider purchasing.
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There have been Atrix reviews out for a while, but so far, it's been mum on the Xoom. It doesn't make much sense to me either.
That said, I think "shady" is the wrong word. I would use "bizarre". Everything about this has been bizarre, and the fact that nobody even knows when the thing is being released just flabbergasts me. Most launches include things like, you know, release dates, prices, venues, etc.... Right now, the only thing we know for certain is that it will be available at Best Buy in late February for $800, and we haven't known that stuff for very long.
However much I dislike Apple, Steve Jobs would never have let something like this happen... unless we're talking about the mythical white iPhone 4.

Xevilious said:
There have been Atrix reviews out for a while, but so far, it's been mum on the Xoom. It doesn't make much sense to me either.
That said, I think "shady" is the wrong word. I would use "bizarre". Everything about this has been bizarre, and the fact that nobody even knows when the thing is being released just flabbergasts me. Most launches include things like, you know, release dates, prices, venues, etc.... Right now, the only thing we know for certain is that it will be available at Best Buy in late February for $800, and we haven't known that stuff for very long.
However much I dislike Apple, Steve Jobs would never have let something like this happen... unless we're talking about the mythical white iPhone 4.
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It's just an amazing failure of a launch. It boggles my mind that they can come off of their "Best of CES" performance and get nothing but bad press thereafter. How can they not effectively communicate the price and release dates across media and retailers? Even after Sanjay Jha confirmed the price, the price still isn't listed on the official Xoom website! So much potential wasted. I'm an Apple hater, but nobody can deny that they know how to run a product launch and these other companies need to take notes every June.

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It's just an amazing failure of a launch. It boggles my mind that they can come off of their "Best of CES" performance and get nothing but bad press thereafter. How can they not effectively communicate the price and release dates across media and retailers? Even after Sanjay Jha confirmed the price, the price still isn't listed on the official Xoom website! So much potential wasted. I'm an Apple hater, but nobody can deny that they know how to run a product launch and these other companies need to take notes every June.
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Exactly correct. Motorola could stand to take several lessons from Apple, mainly marketing.

Atrix is a dud

Looks like Motorola's decision to lock the bootloader is coming back to bite them in the ass. That's what they get for turning their backs on the developement community. It was the developement community that made the original Droid such a success but Motorola is too stupid to realise it.
http://blogs.forbes.com/ericsavitz/...lity-xoom-atrix-both-duds-pacific-crest-says/

I highly doubt the locked bootloader has much to do with it.. Only a small percentage of consumers know what a bootloader is.. All manufacturers are going to be locking down their phones.. HTC did with the Thunderbolt and it's doing very well.. I think it has more to do with price anyway.. That article mentions the XOOM too and its unlockable, but way out when it comes to price point..
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Don't underestimate the importance of the developement community. The Atrix is priced competetively at $199 with deals as low as$ 125. The Thunderbolt bootloader was cracked a long time ago wasn't it?
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go ask samsung how well the nexus s was selling lol

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Don't underestimate the importance of the developement community. The Atrix is priced competetively at $199 with deals as low as$ 125. The Thunderbolt bootloader was cracked a long time ago wasn't it?
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not locked to the same level. HTC is just starting to lock down it's devices.

This has pretty much nothing to do with the bootloader and everything to do with usage and price.
The specs on the Atrix are awesome, but they are also far beyond what a normal consumer needs at this point so they aren't really taken into consideration.
The Inspire is a great phone that performs really well. When you hold and use both phones in the store, and you aren't a tech geek, it becomes hard to justify spending an extra $100 on the Atrix.
This isn't even taking into account a cheap iPhone 3G at $50, or any of the other smartphones that run well and cost quite a bit less.

I'd be interested to know if the analyst quoted in the article actually used the word "dud", or if the reporter used it as his interpretation of what the analyst said. And saying that a product's sales are “well below forecast” isn't particularly meaningful without knowing what the forecast was, just like a company claiming that sales "far exceeded expectations."
Nevertheless, I agree that Atrix sales are undoubtedly being hurt by the lower subsidized price of the HTC Inspire. Heck, the Atrix is priced the same as the 16GB iPhone 4. That's tough competition. I wouldn't be surprised if the Atrix price goes down to $99 in the not too distant future.
I think Moto's biggest marketing mistake with the Atrix was touting it with the laptop dock, rather than as a standalone kick-ass phone.

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I'd be interested to know if the analyst quoted in the article actually used the word "dud", or if the reporter used it as his interpretation of what the analyst said. And saying that a product's sales are “well below forecast” isn't particularly meaningful without knowing what the forecast was, just like a company claiming that sales "far exceeded expectations."
Nevertheless, I agree that Atrix sales are undoubtedly being hurt by the lower subsidized price of the HTC Inspire. Heck, the Atrix is priced the same as the 16GB iPhone 4. That's tough competition. I wouldn't be surprised if the Atrix price goes down to $99 in the not too distant future.
I think Moto's biggest marketing mistake with the Atrix was touting it with the laptop dock, rather than as a standalone kick-ass phone.
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Exactly people don't know about its ability as a phone alone.
I also agree with the OP. The dev community made the droid strong. This is what motorola deserves for locking the bootloader.

I think the best thing i've seen said about it in a review (which i think was just a Youtube review or something) was that it's basically the only future-proof phone on the market right now.... namely because of the dual core CPU.
Dud? I doubt it. Yea.... it doesn't sell as well as some phones.... but then again.... not everybody buys their phone because there's a piece of fruit on the back and a media player OS on the inside.
And no.... the idea of the locked bootloader would not be a deal-breaker. As it's been said... the majority of people don't even know what the bootloader is. Yea.... it may seem like a big deal if you're browsing around in tech community forums... but not so much in the real world or other forums. Take for instance a quick google search for "jailbreak/root poll"... just as an example as to how much the ability to crack your phone matters to people
Neowin.net:
Do you root/jailbreak your device?
Yes = 67 votes
No = 17 votes
Know how to, but don't want to = 9 votes
What is rooting/jailbreaking? = 1 vote
Going by that... you may say that rooting/jailbreaking is a HUGE factor on phone sales.
HomeTheaterLounge.com:
Is your Smartphone rooted/jailbroken?:
Yes = 7
No = 15
Bored and wanted to vote in a poll = 2
Not quite as drastic a result.... but also not nearly as many votes. I mean.... when you have people asking why the iPhone 4 doesn't use the 4G network because from what they understand it's the iPhone 4G.... do you REALLY think that the majority of the country/world is seeing a hackable bootloader as being a major selling point, when the majority could care less about even a simple root/jailbreak?

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Or $24 at CarToys - argh!

Another consideration might be the advertising which presents "it's a phone, or a computer, or a phone" - which probably gets even some non-techies excited. Only to find that for that phone your talking $500 and another $240 per year to tether a dumb device to it ... very unfortunate.
Price the Lapdog (!) right (say $1-150), and do not charge tethering for something which is in no way increasing bandwidth use or enabling a second person to do anything on the data connection - and you might have a lot more takers, techie and otherwise.

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Nevertheless, I agree that Atrix sales are undoubtedly being hurt by the lower subsidized price of the HTC Inspire. Heck, the Atrix is priced the same as the 16GB iPhone 4. That's tough competition. I wouldn't be surprised if the Atrix price goes down to $99 in the not too distant future.
I think Moto's biggest marketing mistake with the Atrix was touting it with the laptop dock, rather than as a standalone kick-ass phone.
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Well Its already $99 at amazon wireless.

Yeah, I'd really like the reason for low sales to be the bootloader... but I honestly doubt that very much. The phone is really a great value at $200, by itself, but few people understand how much better it performs than the iPhone 4 because it is not marketed as a stand-alone device. The laptop dock is far too expensive for the average end user, and tethering charges are high as well as unwarranted.
Also, I think its presence on AT&T hurts Motorola a great deal. Most AT&T customers naturally equate "smartphone" with "iPhone", and see Android devices as mere iPhone wannabes. I would expect more of the Bionic on Verizon, though the lack of early hype for the Atrix won't help any. And naturally, if I were on Verizon, I'd be pretty pissed to be offered only half the RAM.

Lol 10 to one odds The author Eric savitz is on xda
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It seems like a decent Android phone (IMHO). I'm waiting for Gingerbread to get to the device. I might be waiting a while, but it would be a better user experience with that version of the software.
Is it a Dud? Don't think so having owned 3 Android phones (first with MotoBlur though).

best dud ive ever had

Yep.... even better dud than my previous phone..... you know.... one of those phones with some fruit on the back...... and commonly mistaken for a 4G-capable phone....

Yeah. I spent an hour the other night trying to convince the guy with the fruit phone that it did not/could not use the ATT 4G network. I finally gave up.

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Yeah. I spent an hour the other night trying to convince the guy with the fruit phone that it did not/could not use the ATT 4G network. I finally gave up.
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Coulda settled that with one word. Specifications. TADA! lol

Just a quick question what is all this talk about tethering charges?? Is this an American thing??? I have an AT&T atrix unlocked to Rogers using a laptop dock I bought from the source (in Canada) I am able to use the LTD without getting g charged for tethering... in fact I don't even understand why that would be considered tethering there is not supposed to be any internal components in the LTD except the extra battery so what are you tethering ??? The display??? Makes no sense...

#[email protected]%@! price drop

For anyone still on the fence, Walmart has dropped the price to $569. If I had only waited one more week, that would have been like getting a free case or something.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Motorola-...droid-3.0-Honeycomb-Operating-System/16504669
BTW...my local store is still $599, so this might just be an online only price.

You can hardly complain, the £579.99GB I paid for my 3G XOOM in the UK was equivalent to $940US, by the time I got a case and a dock, theres a G right there.

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You can hardly complain, the £579.99GB I paid for my 3G XOOM in the UK was equivalent to $940US, by the time I got a case and a dock, theres a G right there.
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Sure I can. I can whine and cry all I want. After all, isn't that what prompted XXXX to release an update?!?!

I paid £475 for the wifi one too

Did you NOT expect the price to drop at some point? You ALWAYS pay to be an early adopter. I bought my Vibrant on day one and two months later I could have saved $100 or could have got a two-for-one deal and not stuck my wife with a 3G Slide. Hindsite is always 20/20.

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Did you NOT expect the price to drop at some point? You ALWAYS pay to be an early adopter. I bought my Vibrant on day one and two months later I could have saved $100 or could have got a two-for-one deal and not stuck my wife with a 3G Slide. Hindsite is always 20/20.
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Yes I did. I've been around long enough to know it happens and that the rules state, "Effective the day after it is too late for you to do anything about it the price will drop or we will introduce a newer and better product." In case you didn't pick up on it though, my post is mostly sarcastic smarta$$. But it was also there to inform anyone of the deal that hasn't purchased one yet.

Amazon's Price Dropped too
It looks like Amazon's price dropped too in case anyone was wondering.
Though, it might not be as grand as other stores.

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It looks like Amazon's price dropped too in case anyone was wondering.
Though, it might not be as grand as other stores.
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How much are you seeing? Shows $598 to me...unless you were being a smarta$$ like me.
I suspect some good deals will be coming soon between graduations and fathers day.

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How much are you seeing? Shows $598 to me...unless you were being a smarta$$ like me.
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Indeed I was

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Indeed I was
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Touche!

Motorola has a free portfolio case don't know if that deal still on or not
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Galaxy s2, is a overpriced phone!

What do you think?
Is it worth the money?

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What do you think?
Is it worth the money?
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Is it worth the money? My answer is both yes and no.
Your thread title is misleading.

Worth the money.

worth then sensation obviously..

Love this phone very customizable.
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Is it worth the money?
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If you can't afford it don't buy it. Simples.

i think it is..

The current price here in The Netherlands is 420 euro's which is a decent price when compared to other phones in the market.
You should work on your title skills.

Perhaps replacing the exclamation mark (!) with a question mark (?) might have more people engage with this thread in a more open-minded manner. Sounds like a statement otherwise and you may get some flak.
Of course, if you do that then logically it should have been posted in Q&A...

It's very subjective, and depends on your area, and the particular deal you purchased.
For me in the UK its a very well priced phone, and my contract together with the handset works out on average more than half the price of a typical iPhone 4 deal here which is a bargain.

I think the price is 1000% OK.
look at kotPhone...
mfg

Well, considering the iphone4 (imo vastly inferior) is still 200-250 euros more in my area, I would say the galaxy s2 is definitely worth the money.

best thing ever imho

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Well, considering the iphone4 (imo vastly inferior) is still 200-250 euros more in my area, I would say the galaxy s2 is definitely worth the money.
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Yeah if we compare it to the Iphone4 this phone is relatively cheaper but quality control is also lower.
In my place Iphone4 16GB is $837 while the S2 is just $667, the S1 came out at $767 here.

It's not a phone, it's a cheap but capable laptop that can also make calls.

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Is it worth the money?
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It is, absolutely.
But there are some people who never believes 'worth the money' term, don't know in which class you belong
Regards.

Iphone 4 worth it's money.
Wannabe-iphone-from-korea - does not.

I can go into a store and point out 60 other phones that are over-priced.
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No offence to the OP but bit of a silly thread to start,clearly the majority of people on here are gonna think this phone is worth every cent.

Hmm, I bought HTC HD2 for $600 last year... bought HTC Desire HD for $550 early this year...I bought my SGII for $659 two weeks ago, and dollar vs features tells me it's not that overpriced..
i can think of million other things that are more overpriced on this planet..
it's simple equation really.. if you think the SGII is overpriced, then buy a phone that you don't think is overpriced.
Maybe Xperia Arc?