http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/12/samsung-galaxy-s-2-and-10-1-inch-honeycomb-tablet-leaked-on-kore/
Alright as seen above is the Galaxy S2, Mkkkkkk thats great and all but because it has HSPA+ does that mean it can be on T-Mobile only I get confused by this and think "God dammit the antenna cant be run on Sprint, there is no way we are getting that phone now" This happened with the Pre 3 too, I just need some further insight into what that spec means and how it affects which provider the phone is going too.
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Blitzpwnage said:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/12/samsung-galaxy-s-2-and-10-1-inch-honeycomb-tablet-leaked-on-kore/
Alright as seen above is the Galaxy S2, Mkkkkkk thats great and all but because it has HSPA+ does that mean it can be on T-Mobile only I get confused by this and think "God dammit the antenna cant be run on Sprint, there is no way we are getting that phone now" This happened with the Pre 3 too, I just need some further insight into what that spec means and how it affects which provider the phone is going too.
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you sir would be correct, that will not work on a sprint network.
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/12/samsung-galaxy-s-2-and-10-1-inch-honeycomb-tablet-leaked-on-kore/
Alright as seen above is the Galaxy S2, Mkkkkkk thats great and all but because it has HSPA+ does that mean it can be on T-Mobile only I get confused by this and think "God dammit the antenna cant be run on Sprint, there is no way we are getting that phone now" This happened with the Pre 3 too, I just need some further insight into what that spec means and how it affects which provider the phone is going too.
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HSPA+ is run on GSM networks NOT CDMA which is what sprint and Verizon use. Hence the different stuff on each network ex. EVDO, and HSPA
I think at&t also is going to be using hspa+
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you sir would be correct, that will not work on a sprint network.
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Yes, but keep in mind that leak is coming from Korea and it's going to be at MWC so it's no surprise that it only mentions a GSM / HSPA+ version. Nothing says that there wont be a CDMA / LTE / Wimax version for Sprint / Verizon.
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HSPA+ is what the GSM carriers are doing for 4G right now. I think ATT is going to do LTE, T-mobile doesn't plan on it...I just switched back to sprint from t-mobile and the speed difference is ridiculous. Even on 4G, I am getting half the data speeds that I did with t-mobile HSDPA. Definitely not what I expected.
When the original Galaxy S was announced, it was GSM only as well but variants came out for all the carriers. I wouldn't buy anything from Samsung though, regardless of how appealing it seems.
*sigh*
HSPA+ = GSM = AT&T, T-Mobile, and 99% of all carriers in Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, and South America.
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HSPA+ = GSM = AT&T, T-Mobile, and 99% of all carriers in Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, and South America.
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Wow, this is such a misleading comment. Europe uses gsm exclusively but the rest of the world mostly uses cdma. Don't sigh about it. But please don't lie about it.
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Wow, this is such a misleading comment. Europe uses gsm exclusively but the rest of the world mostly uses cdma. Don't sigh about it. But please don't lie about it.
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Um, actually most of the world uses GSM, which is why gsm phones are commonly referred to as "world phones"
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No, phones that are gsm AND CDMA are referred to as world phones typically.
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No, phones that are gsm AND CDMA are referred to as world phones typically.
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Actually, the term pre-dates combo GSM/CDMA devices and was used to refer to GSM phones since GSM networks were the predominate cell technology outside of the US (and still are).
Oh, and to the OP, HSPA+ is being marketed as "4G" currently by AT&T alongside their yet-to-be-launched LTE network. Talk about confusing You may find that with a little bit of effort,( or none at all) HSPA+ equipped devices will bet interchangeable between T-mobile and AT&T. There are also rumours that some LTE-equipped devices will be able to swap between Verizon and AT&T.
Yep..me too. Actually breaking my contract (less than a year in because of Sprints abysmal speed) as soon as Infuse, or Galaxy 2 etc break.
Can't wait for the infuse 4g .... 4.5 in screeen wow
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Wow, this is such a misleading comment. Europe uses gsm exclusively but the rest of the world mostly uses cdma. Don't sigh about it. But please don't lie about it.
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I lived in Cambodia for five years and travelled between often to Thailand and other countries. They all use GSM...
I'm breaking contract with T-mobile. I had a G1, loved it. Got a Vibrant, it was a nightmare trying to get it to work correctly, although I can't lie, I still enjoyed having it. Got a Nexus S, too many problems, returned it. Got a MT4G, nice phone, runs smoothly, but the screen was too small and the phone itself is a bit on the ugly side.
The real determing factor for me was that Sprint has 4G in my area, all of the other providers have 3G, and T-mobile is still running on Edge. I'm within my 30 day trial period w/ Sprint and the Evo, and I'll see how it goes. I was really hoping on going w/ Verizon and the HTC Thunderbolt, but alas, it's still up-in-the-air when it will come out. Verizon is more expensive as well when it comes to data plans. And as far as the MT4G, although CM7 runs very well on it, and it is very stable, I still can't bring myself to buying a 4G phone from a company that only offers Edge in my area (supposedly the military base near here is using their 3G towers to link to Afghanistan, but that's their problem, not mine)
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Can't wait for the infuse 4g .... 4.5 in screeen wow
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Do yourself a favor... don't buy a Samsung device. They make good screens, I'll admit. But you'll be waiting for updates forever, and somebody won't release the code... just look at the Vibrant threads... they haven't even gotten CM6, let alone CM7.
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Wow, this is such a misleading comment. Europe uses gsm exclusively but the rest of the world mostly uses cdma. Don't sigh about it. But please don't lie about it.
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You're an idiot. The only places outside of North America that CDMA are used are sporadically in China, a carrier or two in Japan, here and there in the rest of Asia, and that's about it.
"World phones" are AT&T (since they use different frequencies than the rest of the world's GSM networks except for... Telstra in Australia?), Verizon, and Sprint phones which have extra radios that support the standard quad-band networks. That's why there's two models of the Nexus One: A T-Mobile/World model, and the AT&T model.
The future of mobile is going to be in wifi not cellular. Hspa+ is TM's trial run at nailing down seemless transfer from 4G to wifi for data and voice calls. Assuming there are not many stumbling blocks, their future (and any other wireless companies that dont want to be left behind) will be into switching to running purely off wifi towers.
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Has anyone with a rooted nexus s managed to enable the at&t frequencies? 850hz? is it possible physically (is there a 3g 850hz frequency built in?)
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Has anyone with a rooted nexus s managed to enable the at&t frequencies? 850hz? is it possible physically (is there a 3g 850hz frequency built in?)
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3G on this first version of the Nexus S (assuming they come out with an HSPA version as well like they did for the N1) supports 900, 1700, and 2100 MHz. The onboard hardware does not support 850hz / 1900hz.
That's a real bummer...
Short sighted of google too...
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That's a real bummer...
Short sighted of google too...
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I'm pretty sure it was intentional. It would be in Google's best interest to have all bands so that they wouldn't need to release multiple versions like with the N1. They likely have a deal with T-Mo
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That's a real bummer...
Short sighted of google too...
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5 and 6 band HSPA radios are still quite uncommon. I can only think of one or two devices on the market that use them.
It is just life. Send them feedback and tell them you want an 850/1900 version.
Just wait for the Nexus S to come out on ATT, I seriously doubt Google is going to make the Nexus S strictly Tmobile. Tmobile makes up less than 10% of all cell phones, would be kind of stupid...
Why does it say quad band with 850hz here? http://www.google.com/nexus/#/tech-specs
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That's GSM - you can make calls and get 2G (EDGE) data just fine on AT&T with the Nexus S... but would you want to? =)
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Why does it say quad band with 850hz here? http://www.google.com/nexus/#/tech-specs
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Its not googles' fault. A long time ago the US gsm providers decided to add a download chanel to 3g gsm so that users couldn't take their phone from one provider to another and so the could not import phones in from europe. You can take a phone from att or tmo and it will do 3g on any european gsm provider you chose. However no normal european gsm phone will do 3g in the us. They lack the second download chanel. So don't complain about google, it was the providers that made a conscious decision to muck it up.
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Its not googles' fault. A long time ago the US gsm providers decided to add a download chanel to 3g gsm so that users couldn't take their phone from one provider to another and so the could not import phones in from europe. You can take a phone from att or tmo and it will do 3g on any european gsm provider you chose. However no normal european gsm phone will do 3g in the us. They lack the second download chanel. So don't complain about google, it was the providers that made a conscious decision to muck it up.
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That's 100% true!!! Plus the batter life would be horrific with all those signals, and a bigger antenna! LOL
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I'm on ATT
I hate the EDGE speeds but there is nothing else we can do. I currently carry around my Nexus One with this one to use as a hotspot. Google will probably release another version within a couple months as they did with the N1. Hopefully they will cause tethering all the time is awesome to show off but cumbersome all at the same time
I picked up the nexus s yesterday. Love the phone compared to my Captivate on Cognition but EDGE is really hampering the experience.
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That's 100% true!!! Plus the batter life would be horrific with all those signals, and a bigger antenna! LOL
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Nokia managed to design a pentaband 3G (5 different 3G bands, 850/900/1700/1900/2100MHz) phone, the N8 and it has no problems AFAIK. Samsung probably doesn't have the knowledge or talent to design a pentaband 3G device though.
The T-Mobile Vibrant (a Samsung Galaxy S phone, just like our Nexus S) can be used with full 3G speeds on both T-Mobile and AT&T (1900mhz). My friend is currently using an unlocked T-Mo Vibrant on AT&T with no problems and fine 3G speeds.
Samsung certainly knows how to make a phone that will work on both networks; this was clearly a Google decision...why, we'll never know, but I suspect pressure from T-Mobile.
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The T-Mobile Vibrant (a Samsung Galaxy S phone, just like our Nexus S) can be used with full 3G speeds on both T-Mobile and AT&T (1900mhz). My friend is currently using an unlocked T-Mo Vibrant on AT&T with no problems and fine 3G speeds.
Samsung certainly knows how to make a phone that will work on both networks; this was clearly a Google decision...why, we'll never know, but I suspect pressure from T-Mobile.
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At&t does not use 3g on 1900mhz everywhere. In fact, a major AT&T initiative in the past few years was to move 3g to the 850 band everywhere possible in order to enhance indoor signal strength.
A phone that can only do 3g on 1900mhz is not a nationwide solution for AT&T, coverage is quite hit or miss.
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The T-Mobile Vibrant (a Samsung Galaxy S phone, just like our Nexus S) can be used with full 3G speeds on both T-Mobile and AT&T (1900mhz). My friend is currently using an unlocked T-Mo Vibrant on AT&T with no problems and fine 3G speeds.
Samsung certainly knows how to make a phone that will work on both networks; this was clearly a Google decision...why, we'll never know, but I suspect pressure from T-Mobile.
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Check the nexus s specs again. It does not have 1900mHz 3g in any form at all like the vibrant.
It only has 900, 1700, 2100.
RogerPodacter said:
Check the nexus s specs again. It does not have 1900mHz 3g in any form at all like the vibrant.
It only has 900, 1700, 2100.
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Re-read my post, and the post I was responding to again.
I never said that the Nexus S supports 850/900, I was telling a guy who said Samsung didn't know how to make such a phone that he was incorrect because Samsung has already made such a phone (the Vibrant which supports both AWS/1700/1900/2100 on the UMTS side).
Ironic that you're telling me to re-read something when you should have done the same before correcting me.
Peace!
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At&t does not use 3g on 1900mhz everywhere. In fact, a major AT&T initiative in the past few years was to move 3g to the 850 band everywhere possible in order to enhance indoor signal strength.
A phone that can only do 3g on 1900mhz is not a nationwide solution for AT&T, coverage is quite hit or miss.
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Yes, I'm well aware of this, but if you're in any major metro area where AT&T has been offering 3G service for a couple of years or more, 1900 is likely available to you. 850 is in far fewer areas, isn't it? It's only a recent addition to San Francisco as I recall.
1900 support in the Nexus S would have made it much more attractive to me, and a viable AT&T alternative for many across much of the country, but I'll concede that 850/1900 would be necessary to address the whole nation.
I see I mis read your post thinking it meant it had 1900.
I read that T-Mobile users will have to switch out to an AT&T smartphone device (at no cost or so they say) in order to stay on the 3G network because of the frequency difference. With that said it will be the end of our HD2 at least on 3G, even if it's a year out this phone still has over a year left of use in it.
do we need another thread about this buyout?
Not true. Nothing will happen for atleast a year. Plus.......from what I have read...they bought T-Mobile to add the 2 networks together. At&t has run out of room and want to unload some of they're weight onto tmobiles spectrum.
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why would they stop broadcasting on our 3g frequency?
they paid the FCC ridiculously for the right to that frequency and by adding the two different frequencies together and by designing phones with radios to access both frequencies, AT&T be able to compete with Verizon in terms of network coverage speed etc. This merger could be good for us as long as they don't price gouge us.
It doesnt make any sense unless at&t plans to sell the tmobile frequency to another cell company to force customers to switch to at&t phones...I dont see how or why that would ever happen makes much more sense to combine networks to increase speed and coverage and provide better service bc that is what will get and keep customers
If AT&T jacks up rates and tries to play the TMobile customers who went to TMobile in the first place bc Tmobile was the only wireless competition who went after Verizon and AT&T by offering better prices then AT&T can kiss its TMobile customers goodbye. I hate this merger from a consumer perspective but if they dont get greedy it might be ok...I dunno lack of competition is almost always bad for consumers
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why would they stop broadcasting on our 3g frequency?
they paid the FCC ridiculously for the right to that frequency and by adding the two different frequencies together and by designing phones with radios to access both frequencies, AT&T be able to compete with Verizon in terms of network coverage speed etc. This merger could be good for us as long as they don't price gouge us.
It doesnt make any sense unless at&t plans to sell the tmobile frequency to another cell company to force customers to switch to at&t phones...I dont see how or why that would ever happen makes much more sense to combine networks to increase speed and coverage and provide better service bc that is what will get and keep customers
If AT&T jacks up rates and tries to play the TMobile customers who went to TMobile in the first place bc Tmobile was the only wireless competition who went after Verizon and AT&T by offering better prices then AT&T can kiss its TMobile customers goodbye. I hate this merger from a consumer perspective but if they dont get greedy it might be ok...I dunno lack of competition is almost always bad for consumers
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AT&T has announced it is NOT going to us T-Mo's frequencies. They are going to upgrade the T-Mo towers to their 4G LTE tech, rendering our 3G phones useless. This is supposed to take a year or two though.
so whoever has the tmobiles "4G" aka HSPA+ devices, will be able to use that "4G LTE" network that they gonna add which should make G2 MT4G capable of the real 4G speeds?
No HSPA + uses GSM crap and whatnot whilst LTE is like next gen GSM. So no, if you have an HSPA+ phone it won't work on LTE.
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No HSPA + uses GSM crap and whatnot whilst LTE is like next gen GSM. So no, if you have an HSPA+ phone it won't work on LTE.
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well that blows.. guess ill have to wait to see waht they come up with. no matter how much i hate att i really need a gsm device....
Well as said. LTE is like a next gen or evolution of GSM. So alot of carriers are moving to it, if not all. At&t, Verizon, Sprint, Europe is going there. Maybe asia. So maybe LTE will be the new GSM.
Only downside is for people who live in third/second world countries.
Although you won't expect a big wave of LTE devices to hit anytime soon however, and make GSM obsolete.
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Well as said. LTE is like a next gen or evolution of GSM. So alot of carriers are moving to it, if not all. At&t, Verizon, Sprint, Europe is going there. Maybe asia. So maybe LTE will be the new GSM.
Only downside is for people who live in third/second world countries.
Although you won't expect a big wave of LTE devices to hit anytime soon however, and make GSM obsolete.
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well yea thats true but withing next like 2 years they should start popping out fast
nothing is changing any time soon.... They are honoring all contracts that are entered before the merger happens. MEANING if you have an hd2 you have nothing to worry about. I for one will not still be using it in two years from now. There will be WAY better phones by then.
what a niche of people are worried about is if the $10 web2go or $5.99 tzones UNLIMITED DATA WITH TETHERING NO CAPS will still work..
$39 Billion is a lot of scooby snacks... and though I am aware that there are several regulatory hurdles to clear (SEC and FCC at the moment), I assume these beeeeches will lawyer up and find a way.
So from what I understand (which admittedly is very little) the existing Tmob towers will be re-purposed for rolling out Ma Bell's LTE coverage (within 12 months). As we all know, Ma Bell and Tmob use different broadcast frequencies for their Mobile broadband. So essentially, within a years time... those whom own a Vibrant, Vib + or any other 3g enabled Tmob smartphone... will have a very expensive edge capable device... ewwwwwwww, really !?!?!?!?!?!
Has there been any other word on this... as in compensation, grandfathering of packages (AT&T data plans blow money-wise) etc...
I know we have some Tmob sources on this board... any whispers???
Vibrant supports GayT&T bands, im unlocked.
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Vibrant supports GayT&T bands, im unlocked.
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Umts and hsupa ????
droppin the know...
Vibrant is supports some AT&T's 3G bands. Most of the time, you'll be on AT&T's 3G, but you can also get kicked down to edge if the area you're in doesn't support Vibrant's 3G bands.
Nope, it does 850mhz and 1900mhz, all bands. However, I will admit the phone has issues switching between GSM and WCDMA, so I set it to WCDMA only.
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Read today that AT&T may have to divest part of T-Mobile to Sprint
http://www.tmonews.com/2011/03/analysts-say-att-will-have-to-divest-part-of-t-mobile-possibly-to-sprint/
T-Mobile is becoming a rag doll...
This is going to be more fun than the Sprint Nextel fiasco.
I don't think there is much mystery as to what will happen. This is AT&T we are talking about, after all.
While a nice bonus, the additional subscribers to AT&T's user base is really a secondary concern. AT&T's prime target were the (leases for) T-mobile's frequencies.
AT&T's network is already overloaded (thanks in part to weak infineon radio chipsets). They need to start the roll out to LTE to compete (verizon is already ahead of them), and they know that customers will cry foul and leave if their LTE and HSPA+ phones do not get service any faster than current 3G phones (see: Motorola Atrix).
So, what will happen to T-mobile users? Simple... AT&T will honor existing contracts and arrangements *for 2G/3G service* (T-mob does not have 4G, despite the marketing), and they will issue T-mobile users new phones (some discounted, I am sure) for use on AT&T's existing network.
What does this mean for T-mobile customers? Say good-bye to being able to answer a phone call at a concert or college football game. Being on the largest network means having to share bandwith/frequency with the largest number of users. They will fight for service with all those people with sh*tty iphone antennae.
Slower data, locked down Android phones, and higher rates for service if you want to sign a new agreement are what will inevitably happen. Current AT&T customers probably won't notice a difference unless they get an LTE phone (in which case they will get the faster data and non-overloaded service that T-mobile customers are used to).
T-mo 3G coverage will get better in smaller towns & cities, but this isn't much of an advantage for me since I live in a large city.
I hope that if that happens and I can't use my phone in their network, I'm given the option of just cancel my contract...
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Nope, it does 850mhz and 1900mhz, all bands. However, I will admit the phone has issues switching between GSM and WCDMA, so I set it to WCDMA only.
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Really don't think so. FCC documents only say 1900MHz for 3G. Who knows though?
I just hope we can continue to use smartphones on prepaid plans. That's really why I left Ma Bell.
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I don't think there is much mystery as to what will happen. This is AT&T we are talking about, after all.
While a nice bonus, the additional subscribers to AT&T's user base is really a secondary concern. AT&T's prime target were the (leases for) T-mobile's frequencies.
AT&T's network is already overloaded (thanks in part to weak infineon radio chipsets). They need to start the roll out to LTE to compete (verizon is already ahead of them), and they know that customers will cry foul and leave if their LTE and HSPA+ phones do not get service any faster than current 3G phones (see: Motorola Atrix).
So, what will happen to T-mobile users? Simple... AT&T will honor existing contracts and arrangements *for 2G/3G service* (T-mob does not have 4G, despite the marketing), and they will issue T-mobile users new phones (some discounted, I am sure) for use on AT&T's existing network.
What does this mean for T-mobile customers? Say good-bye to being able to answer a phone call at a concert or college football game. Being on the largest network means having to share bandwith/frequency with the largest number of users. They will fight for service with all those people with sh*tty iphone antennae.
Slower data, locked down Android phones, and higher rates for service if you want to sign a new agreement are what will inevitably happen. Current AT&T customers probably won't notice a difference unless they get an LTE phone (in which case they will get the faster data and non-overloaded service that T-mobile customers are used to).
T-mo 3G coverage will get better in smaller towns & cities, but this isn't much of an advantage for me since I live in a large city.
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i think t-mobile does a great job in coverage, i get full service in my neighborhood but i dont get 3g service, maybe this will help? if not i just want to cancel my contract and switch to verizon
After the merger is done and the network has switched over...Worse case, I hope to unlock, pop in a AT&T SIM continue to use my Vibrant mostly like nothing has changed. I don't know what effect flashing a Captivate modem would have. I'm not worried...yet.
I think AT&T might make a transitional phase (2-4yrs) for T-mobile existing customers(no new AWS phones) before switching all T-mobile network to AT&T frequencies.
http://www.cnet.com/8301-17918_1-20048020-85.html?tag=TOCmoreStories.0
I hope sprint gets it! I never had and never will have at&t.... I price checked with at&t a few days ago.. 210 dollars for 2 unlimited lines!?!? Data capped at 2Gigs.. And 10 bucks for every gig used after!? I pay 140 for two fully loaded vibrants. . Fack at&t
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210 dollars for 2 unlimited lines!?!? Data capped at 2Gigs.. And 10 bucks for every gig used after!?
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Unlimited...
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i think t-mobile does a great job in coverage, i get full service in my neighborhood but i dont get 3g service, maybe this will help? if not i just want to cancel my contract and switch to verizon
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Same Here. I have been with T-mobile for 7 years now and even though I moved from a "4G" area to an area where I only get Edge, i still have stayed with T-Mob, but I am hoping we get the option to cancel our contracts because that Thunderbolt from Verizon is looking good. My co-worker has one and let me mess with it and it is nice.
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I don't think there is much mystery as to what will happen. This is AT&T we are talking about, after all.
While a nice bonus, the additional subscribers to AT&T's user base is really a secondary concern. AT&T's prime target were the (leases for) T-mobile's frequencies.
AT&T's network is already overloaded (thanks in part to weak infineon radio chipsets). They need to start the roll out to LTE to compete (verizon is already ahead of them), and they know that customers will cry foul and leave if their LTE and HSPA+ phones do not get service any faster than current 3G phones (see: Motorola Atrix).
So, what will happen to T-mobile users? Simple... AT&T will honor existing contracts and arrangements *for 2G/3G service* (T-mob does not have 4G, despite the marketing), and they will issue T-mobile users new phones (some discounted, I am sure) for use on AT&T's existing network.
What does this mean for T-mobile customers? Say good-bye to being able to answer a phone call at a concert or college football game. Being on the largest network means having to share bandwith/frequency with the largest number of users. They will fight for service with all those people with sh*tty iphone antennae.
Slower data, locked down Android phones, and higher rates for service if you want to sign a new agreement are what will inevitably happen. Current AT&T customers probably won't notice a difference unless they get an LTE phone (in which case they will get the faster data and non-overloaded service that T-mobile customers are used to).
T-mo 3G coverage will get better in smaller towns & cities, but this isn't much of an advantage for me since I live in a large city.
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T-Mobile has a better "4G" than AT&T does. Their HSPA+ is faster than AT&T's.
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Completely agree with the article.
They are allowing AT&T to be a monopoly again,after all the work it took to destroy the monopoly.The FCC should shot down this deal period.
Sammy will release SGS II at 1.4GHz this September to battle against iPhone 5.
http://www.t3.com/news/samsung-to-upgrade-galaxy-s-ii-to-counter-apples-iphone-5?=57923
Looks good but I think it's a little iffy to assume that TMobile will offer the SGSII for sale in the US. Indeed, while I really like the SGSII and the development community which supports the Samsung devices I'm unlikely to purchase a new phone for use on TMobile until I see which way the AT&T merger goes. I suspect other TMobile subscribers feel the same way I do and will be jumping ship if AT&T/TMobile merge...
Hopefully they will include Hercules in this update.
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What pisses me off the most is that I can't even buy the phone from overseas and use it with T-MoFo and get 3G. I was planning to get the SGS-II, and now the upgraded version comes with no hope that T-mobile will get any of them.
طوني تبولة said:
What pisses me off the most is that I can't even buy the phone from overseas and use it with T-MoFo and get 3G. I was planning to get the SGS-II, and now the upgraded version comes with no hope that T-mobile will get any of them.
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Overseas phones are usually unlocked so you can use it with any providers. Not sure why you wouldn't be able to use it with T-Mobile.
SGS II specs are impressive but I don't like the physical Home button, looks too much like iPhone that's why they are being sued among other things. I like the way Vibrant buttons are.
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I'm waiting for the Nexus 3
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T-Mobile T989 (Hercules???)
Sammy T989 just passed BT & Wi-Fi certification. This could be T-Mobile version of SGS II.
http://www.tmonews.com/2011/06/samsung-t989-receives-bluetooth-wi-fi-approval-is-this-the-samsung-hercules/
Looks like September will be a HOT month!!!
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se7en10 said:
Overseas phones are usually unlocked so you can use it with any providers. Not sure why you wouldn't be able to use it with T-Mobile.
SGS II specs are impressive but I don't like the physical Home button, looks too much like iPhone that's why they are being sued among other things. I like the way Vibrant buttons are.
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yeah, they are unlocked, so you can use a tmob sim, but they don't use tmob's hspa/hspa+ bands. so it's akin to using an iphone on tmob: edge only.
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Looks good but I think it's a little iffy to assume that TMobile will offer the SGSII for sale in the US. Indeed, while I really like the SGSII and the development community which supports the Samsung devices I'm unlikely to purchase a new phone for use on TMobile until I see which way the AT&T merger goes. I suspect other TMobile subscribers feel the same way I do and will be jumping ship if AT&T/TMobile merge...
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Honestly I'm beginning to think T-Mobile is *determined* to offer substandard versions. Such as the Sensation getting less memory than the EVO 3D.. Why no true "WOW FACTOR" phones, just middle of the road dreck from TMO? Or back in the day when the rest of the world get the HTC Magic and TMO got the Sapphire, a Magic with less memory.... So... I doubt we'll see it on TMO also. But it will be a nice phone for those who can get/use it!
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yeah, they are unlocked, so you can use a tmob sim, but they don't use tmob's hspa/hspa+ bands. so it's akin to using an iphone on tmob: edge only.
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Uhm, I think you're wrong. World phones have all 4 bands, where as AT&T and T-Mobile only have 3 bands. The bands are 850/900/1800/1900, so even if you're missing one it's still possible to use the phone hence the ROAMING feature. I have a Vibrant and have use SIM's (for calls & 3G+) from many countries as I travel through them.
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lotherius said:
Honestly I'm beginning to think T-Mobile is *determined* to offer substandard versions. Such as the Sensation getting less memory than the EVO 3D.. Why no true "WOW FACTOR" phones, just middle of the road dreck from TMO? Or back in the day when the rest of the world get the HTC Magic and TMO got the Sapphire, a Magic with less memory.... So... I doubt we'll see it on TMO also. But it will be a nice phone for those who can get/use it!
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Some people on verizon complain that they don't have a dual core device until now, they are suspecting that it may be due to the droid lines that keep the carriers from getting dual core devices.. I'm not even sure if tmobile will get the nexus prime with all the pending buyout going on.. There's no future for tmo anymore i believe.. Im going att when everything finalizes
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Uhm, I think you're wrong. World phones have all 4 bands, where as AT&T and T-Mobile only have 3 bands. The bands are 850/900/1800/1900, so even if you're missing one it's still possible to use the phone hence the ROAMING feature. I have a Vibrant and have use SIM's (for calls & 3G+) from many countries as I travel through them.
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Tmobile uses 2100 aws spectrum for 3g which is why international and att phones dont have 3g on tmob. But att uses standard 3g bands same as rest of the world so you can for example buy a unlocked international sgs2 and get 3g on att.
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Wait is this dual core or single core?
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se7en10 said:
Uhm, I think you're wrong. World phones have all 4 bands, where as AT&T and T-Mobile only have 3 bands. The bands are 850/900/1800/1900, so even if you're missing one it's still possible to use the phone hence the ROAMING feature. I have a Vibrant and have use SIM's (for calls & 3G+) from many countries as I travel through them.
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that quad band/'world phone' bands are for calls. for data, tmob uses 1700 and 2100 (the reason att wants to buy them). the vibrant also supports the att 1900 3g/hspa+ band hence why it will usually work with att 3g.
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Uhm, I think you're wrong. World phones have all 4 bands, where as AT&T and T-Mobile only have 3 bands. The bands are 850/900/1800/1900, so even if you're missing one it's still possible to use the phone hence the ROAMING feature. I have a Vibrant and have use SIM's (for calls & 3G+) from many countries as I travel through them.
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GSM-Wise: most phones that have been manufactured in the last ~4 years work on all GSM networks (They are Quad band)
but that means they are able to make phone calls and connect @ edge speed.
There is a different set of bands for 3G. Most 3G networks around the world use 2100 MHz. In the Americas, the 1900MHz is the most commonly used except few networks like T-Mobile and a couple of networks in Canada that use the AWS which uses 1700/2100MHz combination.
So unless you buy the phone from the US or Canada, your phone will NOT connect @ 3G with T-mobile.
طوني تبولة said:
There is a different set of bands for 3G. Most 3G networks around the world use 2100 MHz. In the Americas, the 1900MHz is the most commonly used except few networks like T-Mobile and a couple of networks in Canada that use the AWS which uses 1700/2100MHz combination.
So unless you buy the phone from the US or Canada, your phone will NOT connect @ 3G with T-mobile.
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Ok, always thought as a World phone it would have all the bands to work everywhere in the world. Guess not then!
Alex530 said:
Wait is this dual core or single core?
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Dual
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Dual
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Good stuff.
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طوني تبولة said:
So unless you buy the phone from the US or Canada, your phone will NOT connect @ 3G with T-mobile.
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/29/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-gets-official-for-canada-on-bell-virgin-mob/
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/29/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-gets-official-for-canada-on-bell-virgin-mob/
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Sadly, none of them uses AWS band (1700/2100)
Bell Mobility and its subsidiary (Virgin Mobile), and SaskTel use the 850 and 1900MHz which is supported by the International version of Galaxy S II.
AWS really sucks (click to see the small list of the providers that use this band)
I just need to get this out of my system.
I own the Galaxy Nexus, unfortunately it is Sprint, so in other words, CDMA, this is terrible for me because according to Canonical there will be no official CDMA Support. Of course there has always been those amazing and wonderful developers that will try to port it but, a port is not the same thing as an official release, who knows how we'll get the Radios.
I almost cried when I heard the no support for CDMA, I was late and had already started looking into the Ubuntu SDK and reading guides and getting used to developing in Ubuntu.
I know many of you may say "Sprint sucks" or "Heh, that's what you get CDMA Newfag!" and that's pretty common because unfortunately many people find it necessary to insult people who own and probably prefer CDMA over GSM, even though it means more restrictions maybe it's the prices, unlimited Data, I don't know, so please don't make this a "CDMA sucks" thread.
I made this to demonstrate my frustration with CDMA, not Canonical, but CDMA, why? Well even if Canonical tried we all know they'd have some bad times, they would've had trouble with the carrier locks.
If you'd like to share useful non-flame opinions you may.
Honestly, CDMA networks like Verizon dominate the US because of their ties with Bell Atlantic and LTE coverage.
I personally think it's ridiculous that the most dominant US wireless carriers lock things down and monopolize like they do. Forcing customers to overpay for throttled and capped data, sign years of their life's hard earned money away in legally binding contracts, and they can't even give you decent customer support.
Google stopped making new Nexus devices for CDMA networks in the US because they know how immensely twisted they are. Canonical is smart to do the same thing.
Perhaps soon there will be better GSM coverage. Personally, I have a Google Play Galaxy Nexus on Straight Talk with unlimited everything for $45 a month. I'll never sell my soul to a CDMA crossroads demon again, haha.
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I have been using Sprint since 1999. I never worried about network technology in those days, but it just seems like there is no hope for any future where we have control of our devices without abandoning CDMA. We need to separate the devices from the carriers, and let the carriers compete on their networks, not on their marketing campaigns.
This is going to mean giving up the massive subsidy the carriers pay. But really, no one subsidized my car, or my laptop, or my shoes, and all of those are important too.
If we are all paying full cost for our phones, it's just going to be way cheaper to be in the global market for devices, rather than our little high-price, high subsidy, long-term contract subdivision.
Ugh.. I was hoping to port this to my phone, but I'm on Sprint, too. I hope someone figures out a way to port it to cdma phones.
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AFAIK CDMA only exists in USA, Japan and China. Let's live China out, cause China Telekom is pretty much all the choice you get. What about USA? If CDMA is bad, leave it. Go GSM. Vote with your money. Let corporations get a piece of your mind. IF people started to flee from Verizon maybe they would start rethinking their strategy (even if it took them years to implement anything)
As in most things in this world you can't have your cake and eat it too
The world uses GSM. Period. We can't take care of people who ride their special monocycle.
By the way China and Japan are two of the most technologically advanced economies in the world. CDMA is newer and more advanced then GSM. Verizon 4g phones are for better if you ask me because I can use Verizon or att or T-Mobile on my iPhone 5. I may not get 4g on the GSM networks but so what.
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CDMA sounds like the Betamax of network technology.
China most technologically advanced economy in the world. LOL
Who ever has to copy/steal stuff from the west is NOT technologically advanced.
blackout23 said:
CDMA sounds like the Betamax of network technology.
China most technologically advanced economy in the world. LOL
Who ever has to copy/steal stuff from the west is NOT technologically advanced.
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The first part of your statement is assinine.
MikeyCriggz said:
Honestly, CDMA networks like Verizon dominate the US because of their ties with Bell Atlantic and LTE coverage.
I personally think it's ridiculous that the most dominant US wireless carriers lock things down and monopolize like they do. Forcing customers to overpay for throttled and capped data, sign years of their life's hard earned money away in legally binding contracts, and they can't even give you decent customer support.
Google stopped making new Nexus devices for CDMA networks in the US because they know how immensely twisted they are. Canonical is smart to do the same thing.
Perhaps soon there will be better GSM coverage. Personally, I have a Google Play Galaxy Nexus on Straight Talk with unlimited everything for $45 a month. I'll never sell my soul to a CDMA crossroads demon again, haha.
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When my contract expires I was thinking of going to T-Mobile, or Straight Talk, it's pretty much almost the same thing though.
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The world uses GSM. Period. We can't take care of people who ride their special monocycle.
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Please, if you read my first post entirely you'd know that comments like those aren't needed.
So please stop.
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Your source may be wrong. The VGN is the most popular model out there and the only one with 4G. Ubuntu specifically started 4G support. Engadget did not say either way and I trust them. So why would they skip over the largest dev phone in the U.S. market? Answer: they wouldn't.
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jaed.43725 said:
Your source may be wrong. The VGN is the most popular model out there and the only one with 4G. Ubuntu specifically started 4G support. Engadget did not say either way and I trust them. So why would they skip over the largest dev phone in the U.S. market? Answer: they wouldn't.
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I think you're the one with the incorrect sources.
The VGN is not the only one with LTE and is not the most popular model. That would be the Play Store version.
Also Canonical stated no CDMA support.
Source:https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg00125.html
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dohturdima said:
The first part of your statement is assinine.
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Agreed. Not one intelligent comment in his post.
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AW: My frustration towards CDMA
The US. Is pretty much almost alone with "pure" CDMA...
Most of Europe uses GSM and so does China.. But the GSM networks all use W-CDMA for their UMTS systems ..
Source : http://www.diffen.com/difference/CDMA_vs_GSM
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I should have been a little clearer. In the US the most popular variant is VZW.
The email link there is just someone asking about it and forming there own opinion.
Nowhere on the Ubuntu site does it say only GSM. The actually specifically state LTE compatibility. And as VZW has the largest LTE network it only makes sense.
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jaed.43725 said:
I should have been a little clearer. In the US the most popular variant is VZW.
The email link there is just someone asking about it and forming there own opinion.
Nowhere on the Ubuntu site does it say only GSM. The actually specifically state LTE compatibility. And as VZW has the largest LTE network it only makes sense.
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It's an email to Canonical, and a response from Canonical.
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since we are on the topic of network technologies i just have a quick question:
Speaking in terms of LTE will Merica use the same sort of LTE technology as europe? Or are their LTE network somesort of "apple 4g" speeds?
Are they using the same frequenzieisiisifis?
nicknamecharlston said:
since we are on the topic of network technologies i just have a quick question:
Speaking in terms of LTE will Merica use the same sort of LTE technology as europe? Or are their LTE network somesort of "apple 4g" speeds?
Are they using the same frequenzieisiisifis?
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Not sure but something I gotta tell you is that in San Antonio TX LTE is overrated. No kidding. T-Mobile 4G speeds are exactly the same as Verizon 4G LTE speeds.
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Jimlarck said:
Not sure but something I gotta tell you is that in San Antonio TX LTE is overrated. No kidding. T-Mobile 4G speeds are exactly the same as Verizon 4G LTE speeds.
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Ditto in Seattle, where my T-Mobile HSPA+42 seriously beats the crap out of AT&T's "LTE" and is the same speed as Verizon's LTE.
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