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This particularly caught my eye:
The intelligent face recognition features recognise up to five faces in any picture, automatically connecting them with your social phone book and all other related communications with that person.
That sounds impressive.
The phone looks fairly impressive, however I don't believe it can stand up again other available Android phones current and possible future ones. One big issue I have with some new smartphones is that they are so orientated around this whole facebook etc social networking lark which is so unimportant to me.
who cares. its android!
once u gain root access u can do pretty much whatever you want with it.
i personaly realy like it. its also big enuff to bage a onscreenkeyboard vaiable.
I like it too.
As for keyboard .. I like Xperia because it's really cool to send messages. But I hate it too. It's bulky, and the keyboard is a bit loose, it just don't feel like well built. With large display and capacitive touchscreen, I would try it.
I wonder if SE will support Android 2.0. It actually might be out before Rachael. And it has lots of new cool features.
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who cares. its android!
once u gain root access u can do pretty much whatever you want with it.
i personaly realy like it. its also big enuff to bage a onscreenkeyboard vaiable.
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True...Hardware wise seems good. 4 inch OLED screen would sell it to me tbh not the fact its android.
that thing is huge! i will wait for something smaller. i know 4-inch screen is great, the problem is it makes the whole thing big.
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I like it too.
As for keyboard .. I like Xperia because it's really cool to send messages. But I hate it too. It's bulky, and the keyboard is a bit loose, it just don't feel like well built. With large display and capacitive touchscreen, I would try it.
I wonder if SE will support Android 2.0. It actually might be out before Rachael. And it has lots of new cool features.
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Android 2.0 is already out (only device to use it so far is the Motorola Droid) and the HTC Hero I hear is getting an upgrade.
is i have read on a website, its going to be android 1.6 which sucks big time.
but its not released yet so maybe its getting 2.0. even if not, if the kernel stays the same, installing 2.0 on it shouldnt be to hard.
as for the screensize ... true that, its realy big. but on the other hand i hate the display of the X1 for beeing that small. sometime ****ting a icon is realy hard. x10 should have this problem
PS: video here!!! its still lags but regarding to atester this is cause the kernel wasnt originaly compiled for the snapdragon and thats why its lagging.
It'd better come with 2.0, given that it'll only be out in Q1 2010, which would make it so far behind the Droid.
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It'd better come with 2.0, given that it'll only be out in Q1 2010, which would make it so far behind the Droid.
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though it may not come out with 2.0, i'm sure an update will come soon afterwards. They're trying to fully optimize their UI on the 1.6 Donut, so that they can release it when they've specified.
I'm getting this instead of the X2
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The phone looks fairly impressive, however I don't believe it can stand up again other available Android phones current and possible future ones. One big issue I have with some new smartphones is that they are so orientated around this whole facebook etc social networking lark which is so unimportant to me.
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You're not making any sense. You're saying you don't believe it will stand up again "other available Android phones current" (right, because X10 isn't even out yet but already beats ANY current phone - ouch!) "and possible future ones" (yeah, guess what: at some point in the future there will be a better phone - you're a ****in' genius!) because...
...because you don't like "social networking lark"...?
Or just WTF are you trying to say, seriously?
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though it may not come out with 2.0, i'm sure an update will come soon afterwards. They're trying to fully optimize their UI on the 1.6 Donut, so that they can release it when they've specified.
I'm getting this instead of the X2
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Oh, you mean exactly like the X1 people who cannot get an offficial WinMo 6.5 upgrade?
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You're not making any sense. You're saying you don't believe it will stand up again "other available Android phones current" (right, because X10 isn't even out yet but already beats ANY current phone - ouch!) "and possible future ones" (yeah, guess what: at some point in the future there will be a better phone - you're a ****in' genius!) because...
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Or maybe he's trying to say that the X10 might beat any current phone now, but by the time it's released (given that it's still months away), there'd be better phones in the market already.
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though it may not come out with 2.0, i'm sure an update will come soon afterwards. They're trying to fully optimize their UI on the 1.6 Donut, so that they can release it when they've specified.
I'm getting this instead of the X2
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Never going to get fixed, it is slow and will stay slow.
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You're not making any sense. You're saying you don't believe it will stand up again "other available Android phones current" (right, because X10 isn't even out yet but already beats ANY current phone - ouch!) "and possible future ones" (yeah, guess what: at some point in the future there will be a better phone - you're a ****in' genius!) because...
...because you don't like "social networking lark"...?
Or just WTF are you trying to say, seriously?
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Never going to get fixed, it is slow and will stay slow.
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if you don't want it, don't hate it.
It's not like you're going to spend any money on it anyways.
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Oh, you mean exactly like the X1 people who cannot get an offficial WinMo 6.5 upgrade?
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Sure, whatever floats your boat.
X10 looks fairly impressive and beats all existing Androids
with UI, camera and of course - design,
since all other ones look like Frankenstein's sons.
But I don't really want Android = completely Google dependend,
and of course X10 is another device without any proper hardware keyb. and navigation..
Fact that WM is completely Microsoft dependent does not bother you ?
Android is in fact open and based on linux. It's quite possible that it would live on even if google dropped it.
X10 was supposed to have 32 GiB integrated storage, 4" OLED display and to be running Android Eclair. What we're getting is TFT screen, 1 GiB of storage, pathetic 256 MiB of RAM and Android Donut. As usual great job, SE.
I'd rather go for Motorola Milestone or will simply wait for the Q8250 HTC Android device.
NOW! I know it is possibly too early to jump to conclusions, but I have recently been reading through some posts about how our Nexus One's are slowly, sadly and surely becoming obsolete. I agree with this theory in the fact that we aren't getting any love/support anymore. Granted, i know that Froyo is on the way, but i feel as though our hardware could have been better from the get-go, and that now (starting to become the long run since launch) it will be the death of this phone on a large basis. I feel as though Google has left us behind with some major issues, and has crippled the Nexus One name, purely because they seem like they don't want to deal with it anymore. Support is limited at that, and updates are scarce (one update to be exact, and even that OTA had problems), even for non-root users. Development, even though sometimes a tedious task, is moving slowly. We have a small selections of stable roms and thats about it. Nothing super fantastic (granted CyanogenMod and Modaco's ROMS are great, but not legendary), nothing special. I feel like there was more support for the (i hate to bring it in) iPhone in terms of the community and the modding experience.
Simply, I absolutely LOVE my Nexus One, but i feel like it is not getting the support it deserves, and i DO NOT want this beautiful piece of technology to be obsolete by september. i hope you guys are with me on this, because i think we all know that this phone could easily be something BETTER than what it is now. and it SHOULD be able to compete with any phone within a year from now because it's Google's baby. GOOGLE: GIVE US MORE for our phones and for our money. Because, even though i feel like this is the best phone i've ever had, 1) i feel like it'll be obsolete in a few months and 2) im starting to feel like i wasted my money.
long live nexus
+1 .......
The Nexus one will be the standard by which all android phones are measured for at-least another year.
Keeping everything pure AOSP is a huge plus IMO.
Official updates are slow, but code is being committed to the repository regularly and makes it on to the custom ROMS very quickly.
There is no phone out there with better features and community support than the one you have
There is no other phone on google.com/phone... so we are still the only child.
Google is trying to catch up the rest of the android world to 2.1
VZ cut them off it seems from the N1 and instead VZ gets another great Android handset.
Froyo has some much needed upgrades and will help (in theory) android solidify itself by stabilizing the platform for devs.
JIT/Flash/Market /Open GL / market upgrades are on there way if you believe the rumors.
What is it you feel is being phased out ?
Only about 500k users have an N1. Thats a miniscule amount.
Even with that we have two great devs putting out some very stable ROMS. Unlike the past N1 came with so many damn features out of box that we didnt need ROMs and Apps to add the 101 missing features.
Listen I am still up in Googles rectum about alot of features that need to be fixed/enhanced on Android. We all knew N1 was the first of the snapdragons. The others are storming in blasting taking attention away from us...but theyre all on the same team....they all bleed green =-)
Sure Id love to be slapping on Sense widgets , Moto Blur social network apps , etc...but thats up to us as a community to do it (if ever technically possible).
Anyways feel good about your purchase. You still have the best available phone on the market and will until the EVO/Iphone4G drop. And even then..youd still be top 3 at worst.
There isn't much development because there isn't much to do. The Nexus has the latest firmware and top specs. Of announced phones only the Evo and Galaxy S have significantly better specs everything else is just a SLIGHTLY upgraded Nexus. No porting apps or firmwares are needed. The only thing to really do is optimize what we have (cyanogen is doing that) and port sense UI (Paul is doing that). I'm happy with my Nexus .....for now hehe
zach I can understand the complaints about some of the nagging issues the phone has had (3G, purple tint etc.) but two things we have to realize: A majority of the users don't experience these problems, and in no way is our phone going to be obsolete anytime soon.
Here is a post I made regarding the Incredible screen, I think it's relevant here:
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Here's my take:
Would I like to have this screen in my Nexus? Yea it would have been a nice feature. Do I need this screen? No, not in the slightest.. Not yet anyways. The only apps that would require a screen like that are games, and I don't play the type of games on my phone that would require axis-crossing multitouch. I know some people do, and I can respect that but I don't, hence why I don't care about this right now.
Frankly, if you're playing those kinds of games anyways, just get an iPhone (and I'm not saying that in a bad way). iPhone is unmatched when it comes to gameplay and plus you can get them all for free if you jailbreak. Yea The Incredible has a capable screen, but do you know long it's going to take Android to catch up to Apple when it comes to game quality?? Android just got games like Racing Thunder 2 and Homerun Battle 3D while you can play Street Fighter 4 and freaking Grand Theft Auto on the iPhone! It's no competition.. if you want to game, you don't have the right phone.
By the time Android actually starts developing games and apps that can take advantage of the axis crossing MT, The Incredible will be "obsolete" (as some of you like to put it) so no need for everyone to get their panties in a bunch
With most things I normally have a realist perspective and am usually the first to 'hate' on something when its deserved, but alot of you guys are just a bunch of downers. The Incredible is a great phone as is the Nexus, everyone should just appreciate what they have! If you keep chasing the newest technology (no matter how impractical it is) you will never be satisfied!
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There will always be new technology coming out faster than we can keep up with, the important thing is to not prematurely write one product off as soon as a newer one becomes available. People will be saying the same thing about the Incredible/4G Evo etc in a few months from now. That's just the ways things are. If you have that mentality you will want a new phone every few months regardless of how good it is.
Regarding the selection of ROMS.. Guys, right now we have the top of the line OS on our phones.. 2.1 is the standard, most of the G1/Magic ROMS are trying to replicate what we already have stock. Believe me, once Froyo and Android 3.0 come out the devs will be right on it and we'll get awesome ports. We have great developers who will make sure our phones have the newest software on our devices.
And if worst comes to worst and some of you decide to sell your Nexus this summer, it will have excellent resale value.
Don't worry, This is the phone Google are actively giving to developers. We'll be here for a while to come yet.
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I most definetely do not believe the nexus one will be phased out anytime soon, actually i will be ordering one tonight as a matter of fact. yes we may not have the best touch screens or the greatest rom develipment, but that is because we are still number one There are no other builds to even create until phones of this caliber runnng other os are on the scene. And for the touch screen issue, whe the time comes to where we truely need multitouch for games on the market out nexus's WILL be outdated, or there WILL be a fix for this, i mean geez Cyanogen has nearly finished a fully working Eclair for the g1 already, all i see is hope and excitment for the future of this device, the market also needs some serious time to catch up to apples games (please dont get upset with this, its true) The only thing i can see actually outdating our phones are dual processors capable of OVER 1.5 otherwise i dont believe they will be extinct, not even the 1.3 samsung will hurt the nexus i think considering we can be oc'ed to 1.3 anyways i do believe, or at least close
I don't think that we're being phased out, not until another year. Each phone that comes in the market gets compared to Nexus One.
As far as the development is concerned, its very satisfactory. Comparing the development scene between N1 an iPhone, iPhone sold nearly 50x the units of N1 sold. So most app developers have their focus on iPhone as it stands them a better chance of making more money..... But still development on N1 is much better.....
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There will always be new technology coming out faster than we can keep up with, the important thing is to not prematurely write one product off as soon as a newer one becomes available. People will be saying the same thing about the Incredible/4G Evo etc in a few months from now. That's just the ways things are. If you have that mentality you will want a new phone every few months regardless of how good it is.
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I’m beginning to think some people have never bought a phone before, or a computer for that matter.
Did people expect the N1 to the absolute top spec phone forever? Seriously its still amazing compared to most, and measures up nicely in all significant ways to these new phones it keeps getting compared to. Stop trying to bury it before its even close to dead.
There is always something newer coming. No exceptions. There are phones in development now that will top the Evo and Incredible. At some point you have to buy something or you’ll wait forever.
The N1 is Google’s flag ship phone. I bought it for that reason. If Google is developing something cool (like FroYo!) its pretty much guaranteed to come to us first. Its not being phased out. I think there are exciting things to come…
You have got to be kidding. Seriously?
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NOW! I know it is possibly too early to jump to conclusions, but I have recently been reading through some posts about how our Nexus One's are slowly, sadly and surely becoming obsolete. I agree with this theory
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How does the best Android phone currently on the market obsolete? You must be working from a totally different definition of "obsolete".
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in the fact that we aren't getting any love/support anymore.
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THAT must be why Google is giving Nexus Ones out to so many developers! Because they don't love it anymore and want to get rid of it!
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Granted, i know that Froyo is on the way, but i feel as though our hardware could have been better from the get-go, and that now (starting to become the long run since launch) it will be the death of this phone on a large basis.
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As if Froyo isn't a major undertaking.
In what way could the hardware have been better, without delaying the release of the phone?
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I feel as though Google has left us behind with some major issues, and has crippled the Nexus One name, purely because they seem like they don't want to deal with it anymore. Support is limited at that
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Are we talking about the same phone? In what way is it crippled?
Google has upped its support, hired more support personnel, and continues to present the N1 as its flagship phone. How does that equate to "they don't want to deal with it anymore"?
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and updates are scarce (one update to be exact, and even that OTA had problems), even for non-root users.
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How long has the N1 been out? Just how often did you expect an update? I think your expectations might be wildly unrealistic.
And "even for non-root users"!?! WTF does that mean? If anything, non-root users have far fewer updates -- rooted users are getting the updates from CM as soon as Google commits them to the source repository, whereas "even" implies that you expect non-root users to receive more updates, which is completely backwards.
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Development, even though sometimes a tedious task, is moving slowly. We have a small selections of stable roms and thats about it. Nothing super fantastic (granted CyanogenMod and Modaco's ROMS are great, but not legendary), nothing special.
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If you don't think CM is "super fantasic" then I invite you to go back to the stock N1 rom. Installing CM for the first time is like getting a whole new phone.
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I feel like there was more support for the (i hate to bring it in) iPhone in terms of the community and the modding experience.
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Somebody call the waaaaaaaaaahmbulance.
I don't buy it. I don't like the multitouch sensor they used for the phone, and I think the scrolling could be smoother, but what do you really expect from Google? Short of them sending out free hardware upgrades, what are you really looking for to not feel phased out?
The Nexus One is a great phone, at least for me. Even with the multitouch issues, I'm able to pull off running jumps when I play Super Mario World and the like. And that issue is allegedly being worked on with 2.2. If they flat out said the Nexus One wasn't getting 2.2 then you could make the claim of the Nexus One being phased out.
As far as network issues go, I have zero problems with my AT&T Nexus One and 3G. I live in the DC Metro area, for what it's worth. Most problems I've heard from people are all on T-Mobile. Who's to say the problem isn't on T-Mobile's side instead of Google's? Everyone blames AT&T's network for the iPhone's network issues, but it's pretty clear that the radio in the iPhone is garbage.
We live in a time where there are 1ghz processors in handheld devices. Technology is advancing so fast. It's always going to hurt when your $500+ dollar device isn't the best around anymore, but do you really want forward progress to slow down so you feel like you have the best phone longer?
I think you're being overly paranoid, if you ask me. So long as you love the phone, what do you care?
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You have got to be kidding. Seriously?
How does the best Android phone currently on the market obsolete? You must be working from a totally different definition of "obsolete".
THAT must be why Google is giving Nexus Ones out to so many developers! Because they don't love it anymore and want to get rid of it!
As if Froyo isn't a major undertaking.
In what way could the hardware have been better, without delaying the release of the phone?
Are we talking about the same phone? In what way is it crippled?
Google has upped its support, hired more support personnel, and continues to present the N1 as its flagship phone. How does that equate to "they don't want to deal with it anymore"?
How long has the N1 been out? Just how often did you expect an update? I think your expectations might be wildly unrealistic.
And "even for non-root users"!?! WTF does that mean? If anything, non-root users have far fewer updates -- rooted users are getting the updates from CM as soon as Google commits them to the source repository, whereas "even" implies that you expect non-root users to receive more updates, which is completely backwards.
If you don't think CM is "super fantasic" then I invite you to go back to the stock N1 rom. Installing CM for the first time is like getting a whole new phone.
Somebody call the waaaaaaaaaahmbulance.
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I didn't wanna quote the whole thing (sorry everyone) but this is the post of the year IMO!!!! Every counter argument you made is perfect.....This thread is BOGUS!!!!!!
You can't compare the modding/dev community of the N1 to the iPhone anyways.
The iphone has FAR more units out there, and the Apple cult is still buying. The iPhone also has more that is needed as far as mods to make it a nice OS.
The iPhone also runs native binaries, so there seem to be a lot more standard systems written for it, or so I was told in my Q&A thread. The iPhone has full apt packaging system, full set of GNU tools, full OpenSSH suite, etc.
The iPhone also has a lot more core teams of dedicated modders, while Android seems to have 1-2, at least for the N1. This is, again, I think due to the fact that the iPhone needs more mods to make it a good OS.
Without boobs, this thread is a waste of time.
Not even boobs can rescue the OP's post.
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I didn't wanna quote the whole thing (sorry everyone) but this is the post of the year IMO!!!! Every counter argument you made is perfect.....This thread is BOGUS!!!!!!
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Without boobs, this thread is a waste of time.
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I agree wholeheartedly with both of you.
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NOW! I know it is possibly too early to jump to conclusions, but I have recently been reading through some posts about how our Nexus One's are slowly, sadly and surely becoming obsolete.
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Can you link these posts?
How is the N1 becoming obsolete? What are your reasons? I have yet to see any indication of this.
updates are scarce (one update to be exact, and even that OTA had problems), even for non-root users.
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What kind of crap is this? Yes, the N1 has received 1 update. Which is 1 more than MANY other Android phones in YEARS.
Development, even though sometimes a tedious task, is moving slowly.
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Here's the Android source code:
http://android.git.kernel.org/
Get to work!
GOOGLE: GIVE US MORE for our phones and for our money
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Give more WHAT?
Enjoy the wave for as long as it lasts... which will be a long time
Tech wise phones go obsolete much faster than a PC ever would for the simple fact that you are in a closed environment. You can't upgrade the RAM, graphics or CPU on one of these things so shelf life is in terms of months not years. But that's not to say that support will go away for the N1 any time soon. OP is just acknowledging/exhibiting the mid-life crisis that the N1 is in currently. It's still the flagship product and a benchmark for every phone slated to be released this year. Next year may be different--hell I'm sure it will be--but for now, we're good and there's enough power that it'll still be viable 2 years from now. If you need a current tangible example, just look at how many G1's there are out there and how long that phone has been out.
I came from the dismally dysfunctional land of the Epix from Samsung where between them and AT&T, they couldn't figure out who was suppose to be doing the obligatory reach-around. With the N1 there are no more worries about the carrier holding up the updates for a fix to a major problem introduced by another fix almost a year prior for an infantile notification issue., there are no more issues with contractual obilgations to corporate partnerships (Yahoo) with draconian imposed restrictions to enforce it(backflip) and mostly there's no more waiting for the mfg to finally update their license to a newer version OS if they even bother going that route to begin with. Open architecture, open software and an infinite amount of potential for old and new phones is why I'm here and I'm sure a bunch of others are too.
So to anyone else reading this and especially to Sprint customers that are waiting for the N1, catch the wave however you want(N1, Evo, etc) but enjoy it for what it is--a long great ride and loads of fun--cowabunga!
Did somebody say boobs? Er, was I supposed to get something else out of this?
This is just a rumor, so don't chew off my ass if it doesn't pan out (I would really be delighted if I am wrong).
With Android 2.2 Froyo out of the way, Google has already begun developing the next generation Android OS dubbed Android 3.0 Gingerbread which is expected to be released in Q4 2010.
If you are excited about Gingerbread, here is a catch that might make older handset users cringe. According to a French website WebDevOnLinux, Google will be imposing a minimum configuration for running the next release of Android.
The minimum configuration will be a 1GHz processor, 512MB Ram and 3.5 inches or more screen size. This new requirements will mean that older Android handsets will not be able to use Gingerbread unless they root it.
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This is just a rumor, so don't chew off my ass if it doesn't pan out (I would really be delighted if I am wrong).
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How does it affects x10?
Don't think the x10 has the RAM requirements.
by the time SE get around to porting it I'd probably be looking for a replacement phone anyhow. I do only have a 2 year contract.
Yeah, it's a "little" disappointing but the X10 was designed before 3.0 specs ever existed so there's no way they could have known. And at the time, the X10 was one of the most powerful Android spec'd devices announced.
Other than the older Donut OS, I think the Xperia X10 still stands competitively against all these new devices that are being announced.
I think the X10 with 2.2 will be more than good enough and perhaps the next Xperia will be designed for 3.0 out of the box.
well i guess it's a good thing we have root then
Is it not possible that the X10 could in fact have more than 256mb ram? I heard the donut only recognises a maximum of 256mb. I could be very wrong. Also could it not be referring to the ROM of which Xperia X10 has 1Gb. You know, overhall of the OS could demand more storage of the permanent variety
Come on ! No one, including Google, has even discussed Android 3.0 so why push a rumour which has no basis infact ?
Get real...
Would you guys support Windows if Microsoft realeased a new version every 6 months which was not backwards compatible ? Google are falling into the same problems with Android that has dogged Linux for years.
Users just want an OS that works and is incrementally upgradable, we do not want brand new OS's every six months.
Can I also add that RAM has little relevance to the OS.. it is indeed the ROM which is most important.. and clearly the x10 has plenty.
I dont think this will be a burden for xda developers
they got eclair and modded versions of it running the G1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Iam guessing even IF this is true it won't affect us that hard. Someone will probably find some sort of ram hack or something.
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Can I also add that RAM has little relevance to the OS.. it is indeed the ROM which is most important.. and clearly the x10 has plenty.
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Also, Xperia X10 CAN get Gingerbread because it has around 400 MB of ram, and if there is more needed, it can use converted memory stick space like the G1 did.
That is what I thought
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Don't think the x10 has the RAM requirements.
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Yeah. X10 has 384 MB RAM.
As everyone else said, the RAM requirement doesn't make much sense, even if Google is going to put on a heavy duty skin on Gingerbread (come on, UXP is already pretty heavy and X10 can handle that).
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Yeah. X10 has 384 MB RAM.
As everyone else said, the RAM requirement doesn't make much sense, even if Google is going to put on a heavy duty skin on Gingerbread (come on, UXP is already pretty heavy and X10 can handle that).
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That is true - we'll I'm not counting on SE to release it, so we'll have to port the next version of Android to the X10.
But these are rumours, by the way, so we don't know what'll happen officially.
The x10 is getting 2.1, and thats good enough for me. And for all we know, 3.0 may be unstable when it comes out so another company can use it on their new phone first.
It will be fine for now, and in a year or so, SE will come out with another phone, the X15 or something with a similar name and it will be lots of money and we can buy that one too. Then rooting will start all over again, then SE will be slow at updating it to 3.5, and all this will go on and on. But in the end, we are happy with what we have now. And look, I just keep rambling so I'll stop now.
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The x10 is getting 2.1, and thats good enough for me. And for all we know, 3.0 may be unstable when it comes out so another company can use it on their new phone first.
It will be fine for now, and in a year or so, SE will come out with another phone, the X15 or something with a similar name and it will be lots of money and we can buy that one too. Then rooting will start all over again, then SE will be slow at updating it to 3.5, and all this will go on and on. But in the end, we are happy with what we have now. And look, I just keep rambling so I'll stop now.
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I think you are right! We have to accept that our phones won't be the best phone forever! However it's hard to accept that, we should be grateful of what our phone can!!
I've no doubt Gingerbread will boast many great features.
However Froyo would be enough for me on this thing. I really want flash capability on this device. It would have been really handy at work whilst the world cup matches were on.
The speed increase and tethering and hotspot abilities would be appreciated too (i am aware of the market apps for tethering).
I think by the time gingerbread rolls out and becomes the main player I'd be ready for a new handset anyway.
LOL its funny how the poster generalized the whole Xperia won't be getting 3.0. Do u not think SE will have something up for it the end of the year?
unknown13x said:
LOL its funny how the poster generalized the whole Xperia won't be getting 3.0. Do u not think SE will have something up for it the end of the year?
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They'll just be gearing up to launch their latest range of android 2.2 devices!
These guys sound like there going to be at least 1 version behind each time for the sake of that UXP.
cashaw said:
Come on ! No one, including Google, has even discussed Android 3.0 so why push a rumour which has no basis infact ?
Get real...
Would you guys support Windows if Microsoft realeased a new version every 6 months which was not backwards compatible ? Google are falling into the same problems with Android that has dogged Linux for years.
Users just want an OS that works and is incrementally upgradable, we do not want brand new OS's every six months.
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Totally agree with you. Why do you guys buy Rachael when you know fully well it's 1.6?
I don't see why one would wanna buy 1.6 and whine about not having the latest OS.
It's bad enough alot of people are still having delusions about 2.2, despite Sony Ericsson announcing that 2.1 will be the next update.
Now 3.0 -__-
Some are even desperate enough to try hack it.
Seriously why not just get a Nexus One or something?
I was wandering around the forums, and ended up being jealous of all the EVO, nexus one and nook color users(possibly more), so I was wondering, will we poor HD2 users ever get a taste of the sweet honeycomb? I'd simply love to see it running on HD2, even if it is a bit laggy. Or a lot since it's the SDK.
woops - I obviously meant Honeycomb in the title
peter768 said:
woops - I obviously meant Honeycomb in the title
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Waaahaha, your killing me man. Great misspelling though
Don_Esteban said:
Waaahaha, your killing me man. Great misspelling though
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ummm not quite the answer I was looking for, but, thanks anyway?
Yes I think like you.
Why we do not see honeycomb at hd2
Honeycomb wouldn't be extremely handy on our phones due to the obvious fact that it's meant for tablets, but I agree that it would be nice to be able to boot it up, preferably from SD, if only for the wow factor, or to test drive the OS if considering purchasing a tablet. I find it a little odd that the usual response for honeycomb questions/requests is that it would be of no use on our screen size, when everybody loves being able to boot Ubuntu, which is made originally for PC's, not cel phones. What's the big difference with Honeycomb right?
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Honeycomb wouldn't be extremely handy on our phones due to the obvious fact that it's meant for tablets, but I agree that it would be nice to be able to boot it up, preferably from SD, if only for the wow factor, or to test drive the OS if considering purchasing a tablet. I find it a little odd that the usual response for honeycomb questions/requests is that it would be of no use on our screen size, when everybody loves being able to boot Ubuntu, which is made originally for PC's, not cel phones. What's the big difference with Honeycomb right?
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Right! But I have a hunch that google will release a phone version as well - now that android is all that popular, google shouldn't cut us off at 2.3.3! I mean, there has to be an update for us as well, hasn't there??
LMAO that's a Tragic Typo. Once on yahoo answers I saw a question that said "At what age should I expect my daughter to do her own hoework and stop need my help?" Anyway, HC is nice but I have a nook and I don't think it will translate to the phone sized screen well. I also have an EVO and I haven't tried it on there for that reason. I think that HC will come eventually, I just don't feel that it will be as good of an experience because of the lack of screen real esate. Hc has a bunch of onscreen buttons and stuff that will probably be too cramped.
huggs said:
everybody loves being able to boot Ubuntu, which is made originally for PC's, not cel phones. What's the big difference with Honeycomb right?
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HC UI is specifically made for tablet screen sizes.
peter768 said:
google shouldn't cut us off at 2.3.3! I mean, there has to be an update for us as well, hasn't there??
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Rumor has it the next MAJOR version of android (Ice Cream) will attempt to unify gingerbread and honeycomb...or at least bring some elements of HC to phones.
The next MAYOR version of android (icecream) won't be happening for a while, since the word on the net is that the next version of android is 2.4, and there's not gonna be sufficient changes on the OS to require a name change, like when android went from 2.0 to 2.1 it stayed with the name Eclair, so when we get 2.4 it's still gonna be Gingerbread, so I wouldn't expect IceCream to be around 'til 2.5 maybe. We're certainly not getting an official version of Honeycomb for our phones.
Buff McBigstuff said:
HC UI is specifically made for tablet screen sizes.
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well, shouldn't we able to work this out with a tweak in LCD density??
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I really hope this is true, I might seriously consider buying the 8.9 or 10.1. Samsung, please don't screw this up!
This kinda mirrors what we've been hearing from other news outlets. There's a lot of talk about it being optional and a later upgrade. I don't think many people are going to want to upgrade to TouchWiz after dealing with stock 3.0 though lol.
Really tough though, there's no lack of misinformation around there. Samsung themselves wouldn't even give any idea of which tablets in which markets would even get TouchWiz4.0, let alone launch with it installed.
From the videos I have seen, I would upgrade to touchwiz if they fix the lag.
I've never understood the unconditional love for stock Android. Other than the fact that updates should come quicker, it is completely stale and barely appealing. Honeycomb in this case is fine, but I'm sure manufactures could only do more to improve it. I mean, Samsung added re-sizing widgets, its amazing that Google hadn't thought to add such a feature that should seem obvious at this point.
It appears Android can ever become truly polished without outside help.
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I've never understood the unconditional love for stock Android. Other than the fact that updates should come quicker, it is completely stale and barely appealing. Honeycomb in this case is fine, but I'm sure manufactures could only do more to improve it. I mean, Samsung added re-sizing widgets, its amazing that Google hadn't thought to add such a feature that should seem obvious at this point.
It appears Android can ever become truly polished without outside help.
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Its not that we love stock Android (well, some of us do), its that we hate what these skins do to the experience. They're often slow, and not necessarily without bugs. They also delay (or eliminate) later updates, which Honeycomb as we all know is going to need them.
I'm completely fine with custom UI's from manufacturers, but the biggest thing 99% of people have with them is they can't be removed! Let me have a checkbox in settings to remove it and I'll take whatever you have to give me at the point of sale of the device. I think Google is realizing that these UI's on 2.1 and 2.2 are a bit out of control, and they're trying to shut it down in 3.0 because honestly I think they've thought a lot about the UI in Honeycomb and how it relates to these tablets.
If Google completely disallows the application of custom UI's (or UX as Samsung wants to call them), then manufacturers will have to differentiate with hardware and if they want to add software it is gonna have to come in the form of bundled Apps and Widgets. That's 100% okay with me. Apps and Widgets really can add to the experience, without taking anything away from stock.
What recent... major Android device has been released with a sluggish UI? I'm honestly curious.
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What recent... major Android device has been released with a sluggish UI? I'm honestly curious.
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Every phone with Sense and TouchWiz I've ever used is slower and less CPU/RAM efficient than stock 2.2/2.3. You really don't notice the difference in day-to-day use until you experience stock. I never said "sluggish" but they are most definitely slower than stock. Any time you're adding additional UI elements the speed is probably gonna be the first to decrease.
Don't get me wrong, I love some of the work that manufacturers have done (mainly HTC) but their skins are very unnecessary at many points and I understand their strive to differentiate but its getting a bit ridiculous (I'm looking at you, Motorola Blur) that the skins often impede and are worse experiences than stock.
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Every phone with Sense and TouchWiz I've ever used is slower and less CPU/RAM efficient than stock 2.2/2.3. You really don't notice the difference in day-to-day use until you experience stock. I never said "sluggish" but they are most definitely slower than stock. Any time you're adding additional UI elements the speed is probably gonna be the first to decrease.
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I've experienced stock, I own a Nexus One. However, I haven't spent an extended period of time with a non-Vanilla version of Android other than custom ROMS... so I assume this could be true.
Considering that I barely hear anyone mention how "slow" these skins are, I assumed it was an issue that was resolved with these newer phones.
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I've experienced stock, I own a Nexus One. However, I haven't spent an extended period of time with a non-Vanilla version of Android other than custom ROMS... so I assume this could be true.
Considering that I barely hear anyone mention how "slow" these skins are, I assumed it was an issue that was resolved with these newer phones.
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Its definitely less of an issue now with every phone being at a 1ghz clock or higher, and many coming out with dual core. But when it comes down to it its still extra weight over stock . You definitely hear more people complain about the lack of functionality more than the speed.
I have rooted many phones and after installing stock android (getting rid of UI's) I have noticed a noticeable speed increase in day to day activities.
I think the choice of Stock or Custom is something that has been a bit of a "duh" thing from the beginning. Im still a bit shocked that Android didn't force manufactured to make skins optional, but I'm glad to see Samsung doing this since they are one of the primary foulers on this update vs custom ui issue.
I could care less with skin like TouchWiz or Sense (no, not Motoblur!).
The only thing I am worried is the speed of update from Samsung or HTC.
That's all ...
Knowing that Google is holding Android Honeycomb 3.0 AOSP ... and another rumor of suppose to be "the" Google Tablet:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1011540
That made me re-think ...
The GTab 8.9" won't be available in Europe on June 2011 anyway.
It will be most likely on August 2011 or even September ...
I hate this situation, especially when my wife asks "When will we get a tablet? You are always waiting ... and waiting ...".
Yeah, when the GTab 8.9" is released in Europe, news about Google Tablet OR Honeycomb 3.1 OR QUAD CORE Tegra will be materialized
Next May, on Google IO, that would be one of the best news to watch and decide ... GTab 8.9" or NOT GTab 8.9", that's my million dollar question!
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I hate this situation, especially when my wife asks "When will we get a tablet? You are always waiting ... and waiting ...".
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Same here... :-(
By the time I will be able to buy thin GT 10.1 there will be quad tegra right behind the corner... :-(
gogol said:
I could care less with skin like TouchWiz or Sense (no, not Motoblur!).
The only thing I am worried is the speed of update from Samsung or HTC.
That's all ...
Knowing that Google is holding Android Honeycomb 3.0 AOSP ... and another rumor of suppose to be "the" Google Tablet:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1011540
That made me re-think ...
The GTab 8.9" won't be available in Europe on June 2011 anyway.
It will be most likely on August 2011 or even September ...
I hate this situation, especially when my wife asks "When will we get a tablet? You are always waiting ... and waiting ...".
Yeah, when the GTab 8.9" is released in Europe, news about Google Tablet OR Honeycomb 3.1 OR QUAD CORE Tegra will be materialized
Next May, on Google IO, that would be one of the best news to watch and decide ... GTab 8.9" or NOT GTab 8.9", that's my million dollar question!
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You have to just go ahead and get something and be happy with it. Say you wait for the GTab to come out just as the Quad core Tegra stuff is materializing, so you continue to wait. Then the Quad Core stuff gets released just as the 6-Core or Android 5.0 stuff is shown. You'll end up waiting for ever. You just gotta get the best of what's available, put your head down and play with your toy for the next few years and try not to worry or think about what the "hot" new item around the corner is. The market just moves too fast for that.
People seem to fail to realize that something better, especially when related to technology, is always around the corner. And unless you want to spend thousands of dollars trying to stay up-to-date, you need to get that one thing that makes you the happiest... or just like the poster above me stated, you will end up waiting and waiting.
Make up your minds people~
Buy something now, sell it later and buy something new. I did something like that with e-reader - when I was tired of waiting for a perfect one.
That's true ... I can just buy something right now instead of waiting.
But, that "right now" is not available here in Europe.
And we still don't know what is that "right now" in Europe.
For start, I don't think I would buy a tablet with Android 3.0.1.
There are so much instability issues (read Xoom forum and official Moto Xoom forum).
My gut feeling tells me, during Google IO, there will be a new much better version of Android 3.x.
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You have to just go ahead and get something and be happy with it. Say you wait for the GTab to come out just as the Quad core Tegra stuff is materializing, so you continue to wait. Then the Quad Core stuff gets released just as the 6-Core or Android 5.0 stuff is shown. You'll end up waiting for ever. You just gotta get the best of what's available, put your head down and play with your toy for the next few years and try not to worry or think about what the "hot" new item around the corner is. The market just moves too fast for that.
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Just in:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/31/google-tightening-control-of-android-insisting-licensees-abide/
So, don't worry much anymore
I think, this TouchWiz 4.0 on Honeycomb already got screened by Google.
Meaning, it should not be deeply integrated. Most probably it is just a layer installed on TOP of Honeycomb, which can be uninstalled.
I honestly doubt it can be uninstalled, but I can't wait to find out. It looks like they replaced the launcher, added a few apps and added their own skin to UI elements. It doesn't sound like you can simply "uninstall" all of what they did.
Edit: After checking over a few photos again TouchWiz is definitely integrated into the system. It appears as if you would have to flash an entirely new build over it to remove it. Not preform a simple uninstall. Then again, what do I know?
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Most probably it is just a layer installed on TOP of Honeycomb, which can be uninstalled.
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I think this is the case too. This may explain why Samsung haven't released it yet as they are make sure the TouchWiz UI layer conforms to Google's restrictions (i.e. sits on top of the Application Framework layer). If this is the case, then it should be uninstallable like any other application. Time will tell but I really hope this is the case.
Any more news on this lately?