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I have noticed something strange happening with my phone. I have started charging it every night now so that it will be fully charged the next day.
When it is fully charged, I turn it off completely to save the battery, and to stop noisy email alerts. In the morning I turn the phone back on and it says 73% battery level, despite being turned off overnight, so nothing should be draining the battery.
If I leave the phone on Standby overnight the battery level is always 90%+ the next morning.
What the hell is going on? Does anyone else notice this quirk?
You can try another battery and oberve if the problem would still occur..
It could have something to do with the difference in temperature? In the morning it's coooled off and maybe that does something with the measurement?
Did you put ur fone into flight mode.
NewSPV said:
Hi
I have noticed something strange happening with my phone. I have started charging it every night now so that it will be fully charged the next day.
When it is fully charged, I turn it off completely to save the battery, and to stop noisy email alerts. In the morning I turn the phone back on and it says 73% battery level, despite being turned off overnight, so nothing should be draining the battery.
If I leave the phone on Standby overnight the battery level is always 90%+ the next morning.
What the hell is going on? Does anyone else notice this quirk?
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Huh, I've never heard of that before, but then I never turn mine off. When you say "turn it off" I am assuming it is when you hold down the off button for a few seconds and answer yes to "really" turn it off. I think its very strange that it uses more power off than in standby. Maybe you have come across a nasty hardware bug. Keep us posted.
Matterhorn said:
Huh, I've never heard of that before, but then I never turn mine off. When you say "turn it off" I am assuming it is when you hold down the off button for a few seconds and answer yes to "really" turn it off. I think its very strange that it uses more power off than in standby. Maybe you have come across a nasty hardware bug. Keep us posted.
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Yes I do mean holding down until it tells you data may be lost are you sure.
And it is still doing it. If I fully charge my phone at night and then leave it on standby the next morning the battery gauge will say something like 96%.
If I turn it off, it is always under 80% the next morning, this makes no sense. I leave the phone in standby now with the volume off, and the backlight and power set to switch off.
I keep it in a cradle now, this is a stock photo, not my phone in the cradle.
Charge your battery to FULL, then take it out of the phone when going to sleep, when you WAKE up, put the battery in, if it's at 100% or 99% then it's your PHONE. If it's at 96% like you said before then it's your BATTERY.
Memory card draining power
This was a ROM bug on i-mate JAMin on the first ROM versions that was available. A memory card inserted will drain power from the device. What brand do you have and do you have a memory card inserted ?
I'm having problems with It shutting off overnight while charging. Anybody else having this problem?
bjh2379 said:
I'm having problems with It shutting off overnight while charging. Anybody else having this problem?
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I just discovered this "feature" this morning as well. -_-
Did u find how to fix this?
I love the feature where the A500's battery doesn't last overnight with the screen off. I didn't think I needed to charge it overnight since the battery was at 95% anyways, so I just set it on the table next to my bed and went to sleep. Woke up this morning and it wouldn't power on. Pretty cool. Wonder what is draining the battery? My DroidX can sit on the same table for almost a week w/o being charged.
I haven't seen it, then again I play music from getting into bed till I wake up so ill try leaving it to sleep and see what happens.
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Me too
Same issue here.
i have not tried the trick that I just found that seems to extend the batery life....I put the tablet in "airplane mode" , enable the WiFi and the battery looks like it is draining alot slower. There is power being used for "cell standby" even though is a wifi only tablet
Same problem here with shutdown on charge. Right now it seems fairly consistent-
I'm experiencing them same thing when leaving asleep for extended periods. It first happened while I was charging... now it happened again when I left for dinner and came back. I don't see any setting options for that
Same here. Thought it was a "feature" to keep from using as much battery.
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So shutting off notifications seems to stop the problem for me.. except that I don't get notifications At least it boots pretty fast
Lets run some tests, shall we?
bjh2379 said:
I'm having problems with It shutting off overnight while charging. Anybody else having this problem?
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I don't think they're shutting off, I think they're crashing/freezing during sleep and not rebooting.
This is speculation by me, and could be different for different people.
Finding the problem:
The test.
Night/Bedtime
This is an overnight/while you sleep test and requires about 2hrs. of your time beforehand. Record your figures if you can and post them for debunking. A couple hours before bed and while you use the tablet during the evening, charge it. After 100% and once it's off the charger please don't use it for anything. We want to simulate the sleep process for about 90m before bed. So if you use the tablet even for a quick web surf, plug it in and getting back to 100%. We're going to allow ~3% for errors anyway but we want to be as close to accurate as possible.
90m before you're ready for bed remove the charger. Don't use the tablet simply set the brightness to auto and take note of your battery level and the time. 60m in take a look at that battery charge again and record the time and charge level. 90m in is the last check and after this whether you go to bed or not please don't wake the tablet. Don't worry if it seems to wake and go back on it's own. That's inconsequential for this test. Just put it somewhere that no one will bother it and resist using it until you wake up. Please
Morning/Wake time
Wake it up.
1. Comes on? Record the charge level and time for posterity so we get an idea of idle drain here on the thread. Everyone gets different values. You'll have to run this test at another time as your shutdown/freeze hasn't been reproduced this time.
2. Doesn't come on? Try a power on press. Comes on? Same as 1. Record the charge level and time and post it here.
3. Doesn't come on? Try a power on press. Doesn't come on? Plug it in and power it on. Now do the same as 2. Record the charge level and time and post it here.
I hypothesize a few different scenarios the summary of which is that I don't think they're shutting down, but this is mostly based on the assumption that the batteries are being charged while the unit is frozen. If they do not charge then my entire test would have to be re-designed. I surmise they freeze and don't restart so they either run out of juice or they're actually frozen when you try to power them on and the long press is rebooting the unit, not powering it on. If I am right then we should see that the batteries are drained as if they have been on all night. This is going to be very imprecise, but my idea is that we'll take the charge % of your bedtime check which is a 60m mark check and just times that by the amt. of hours you were sleeping.
So if you were at 95% when you touched the tablet for the last time, this would mean a drain of ~5% give or take ~1% due to your use while checking, per hour. You take that and multiply it by how many hours you've slept and you'd get X x 5 = 40% which leaves the tablet with ~60% battery when you wake up, again give or take 3% for errors, syncing during the night etc.
If you're seeing a somewhat accurate numerical representation of this formula then it means the tab drained all night.
If you're seeing something way off like the tablet still having way more than it should then it means at some point in the night it really did shut down on its own.
People who are actually saying it shut off probably just reboot the tablet without realizing it as it was on the charger when it froze. Since a power off/reboot press of the power button is roughly the same length as a power on press, it's difficult to differentiate sometimes.
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I have had this happen twice and it was while I left GPS on.
I haven't had an android cell phone yet that hasn't frozen or reboot itself when I left GPS on for extended periods (aka overnight) so the first time this happened I instantly knew to check and I purposely left it on the second time to reproduce and the second time, the tablet ended up rebooting not freezing. If you're not technical the easiest way to know if your tablet reboot during the night is to leave a web page or IM window on the screen or leave music playing.
You may want to skip the above "finding the problem" tests and attempt this "solving the problem" test. As I mentioned, this is all speculation so I'm just trying to get to the bottom of it and I'm sure we can as a grp.
Once you rule out hardware though, then it's a problem. So if it is indeed NOT the GPS then we're at the mercy of Acer and Google because otherwise there'd be just too many factors to track down.
I'm getting this and i'm loosing a ton of battery somewhere in the process too. I think the above poster is right.
I plug in tabby. go to bed. wake up to pee. see tabby is 100% battery. unplug and go back to bed. wake up to go to work and tabby is powered off completely and battery is anywhere between 85%-90% in a matter of 2-3 hours after being unplugged.
Its likely a rogue app I would get a program like advanced task killer watch it and see what apps are loading in background after you kill all apps.look for apps you installed.not so much the ones Acer put on your tab.
With Ti backup freeze the first one you think should not run give it a day.if that's not the issue keep going down the list.
Had a similar issue it was a app I got from amazon.that was So CALLED FREE.they are not so I uninstalled everything from amazon. No more battery drain.
SOME APPS do not fallow the drained android or social rules
Watching the apps to be sure nothing is running CPU cycles allow the time I loose about 2 to 3 % batter life over night with wifi set to stay awake.
This is ideally from 11 pm until around 10 am the fallowing day.
Yes I sleep in alot giggles
re-flashed with Taboonay v.2.0/Richardtrips v.3.3 Kernel and it fixed everything.
JiggaGeazY said:
re-flashed with Taboonay v.2.0/Richardtrips v.3.3 Kernel and it fixed everything.
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had this on my tab for 2 days and reflashed back to stock because battery life was awful.
So it happened again. Fully charge the TF for a trip. When I get to my distination (8hrs later) turn on the TF and its dead. No power and no chargers. This thing is pissing me off!
Anyone know why or how I can fix? I do have the wifi off when screen is off.
How is that possible?
Did you not shut down your TF?
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So it happened again. Fully charge the TF for a trip. When I get to my distination (8hrs later) turn on the TF and its dead. No power and no chargers. This thing is pissing me off!
Anyone know why or how I can fix? I do have the wifi off when screen is off.
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It looks like you are having the reboot during deep sleep issue that started with the upgrade to ICS. The reboots can be stuck with the screen enabled and the processor actively trying to complete the boot, which drains your battery.
Short term, I would avoid leaving the TF powered up unattended for long periods.
That will prevent the total battery drain. For a longer term work around, you can try an app called Wake Lock, which you can set to prevent the TF from going into deep sleep, and eliminate the deep sleep reboots, which has helped some users, including me.
The app should be set to restart on Reboot, and select the Partial Lock, then select the Acquire Lock setting, on the red bar, which will switch to green, and indicate that it has acquired. You can also set it to show its icon in the Notification are, so that you have a visual assurance that it is working. Then just exit the app, and it will work in the background.
You can monitor that it is preventing Deep Sleep, using the CPUspy app.
I would then watch carefully to see that you aren't experiencing any more reboots during Deep Sleep.
Long term, ASUS is researching instability with ICS, and we hope to get a true fix. Until then, use of Wake Lock may help you.
Others may have other opinions and explanations, and they may be right, but this has cured my problem for the last 11days. Good luck.
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How is that possible?
Did you not shut down your TF?
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No shut down. I would charge the TF to 100%. turn the screen on to see if its 100% charged and that's it. Then 8hrs or so later when I want to go use the TF, its dead. Can't even turn on.
Can this be the reboot issue or an application that is running and not letting my TF go to deep sleep? Help!
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No shut down. I would charge the TF to 100%. turn the screen on to see if its 100% charged and that's it. Then 8hrs or so later when I want to go use the TF, its dead. Can't even turn on.
Can this be the reboot issue or an application that is running and not letting my TF go to deep sleep? Help!
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Your response makes no sense. You say TF was shut down then you say TF might not be going into deep sleep. If you power the TF down it will go off and use NO battery. you will get some battery internal discharge but TF will not come on an use battery. Try the same test shutting it off.
Ok...try again. I would charge the TF. Then check by pressing the power button. The screen goes on and shows 100%. Then press the power button to turn the screen off ( not turning it completely off).
When I want to use the TF, it won't turn on, as if its completely dead.
Suggestion?
its either a) you get a RR and get stuck in a bootloop, b) you got some app running that drains the battery, such as Winamp or c) your device is broken (not likely).
There are many threads already posted addressing this issue. Please Learn to correctly use the search function
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Anyone else encountered this problem ?
I've had my Nexus 4 for 3 days now.
I turn my phone off every night. So two nights for this phone. Each time I have turned it off it has been fully charged, with the battery indicator and a third party app both showing 100 %. The next morning (about 8 hours later) I'm finding the battery has dropped to ~85%, so losing ~2% per hour when powered off.
Anyone else encountered this or know how to deal with it (before I contact Google)
Note - to power off I press the power stud until the Power Off menu appears, select Power Off, then click on OK to shut the phone down.
This is with Android 4.2.1
It takes power to turn the phone on. 15% might be a little much but it is not unlikely.
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15% does sound a little high. OP, how's the battery life during daily/normal usage?
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15% does sound a little high. OP, how's the battery life during daily/normal usage?
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Battery life has actually been decent, I think I'm getting better usage than my old HTC Desire Z with extended battery. I'm not a heavy user, though I have been using it for music at work.
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dapprman said:
Anyone else encountered this problem ?
I've had my Nexus 4 for 3 days now.
I turn my phone off every night. So two nights for this phone. Each time I have turned it off it has been fully charged, with the battery indicator and a third party app both showing 100 %. The next morning (about 8 hours later) I'm finding the battery has dropped to ~85%, so losing ~2% per hour when powered off.
Anyone else encountered this or know how to deal with it (before I contact Google)
Note - to power off I press the power stud until the Power Off menu appears, select Power Off, then click on OK to shut the phone down.
This is with Android 4.2.1
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It takes a huge amount of battery power to start the phone from complete off, this also skews the first reading of the battery voltage as it will be lowered by the draw of power to start the phone so the indicator will read lower than it's true capacity.
The best solution is just put your phone in airplane mode at night, and turn airplane mode off in the morning, this is more power efficient than shutting the phone down using "power off", and you shouldn't see any battery drain apart from a percent or so doing this.
Regards
Phil
You can tell you guys never turn your phones off Starting up should have no battery drain - never been an issue on any of my previous phones and PDAs (last one also being Android).
I rang Google and they had never seen it before but recommended draining then fully charging the battery.
Friday night I made sur it was fully charged before unplugging and shutting down - next morning on turning on - 99% - result. Saturday/Sunday the same (note SAturday i fully drained then recharged the battery). This morning boots up with just 82%.
Looks like either it can't work out when it's fully charged, else there's some disharge mechanism in place to protect the battery and that's causing me issues.
It probably wasn't really at 100% even it was reporting as such. The reporting is broken. So when you rebooted you saw the real battery level.
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I was just about to start a thread on this and then saw this thread here. So I'll ask here. I travel overseas a lot. So while I am on the plane I plug the phone in while off to charge it. I hit the power button occasionally to check the charge and when it shows "Full" I unplug it and throw it in my bag.
2 days later, I come back to the US and turn the phone on and the battery is usually below 50% even though it stated it was fully charged when I unplugged it.
So how does the battery drain if the phone is off?
I just sent my first Nexus 4 in for RMA on this very issue (if left for long enough it would just fully discharge), got the replacement on Friday, did a charge cycle, charged the phone fully up whilst off, took it off the charger (the official Nexus charger btw), and let it sit for the last day, just turned it on, and it's at 60%.... W T F !!!
This is sooo totally bizarre! I can only assume that this is common to most Nexus 4 (what are the odds of me getting two bad ones - direct from Google - with the exact the same issue?), and that people just aren't noticing, as most people don't leave their phones off after fully charging, and thus just never notice, as the battery behaves perfectly normally under usual use.
I would gratefully appreciate it if people could put this to the test, so I know whether or not to RMA the second device or not....
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Anyone else encountered this problem ?
I've had my Nexus 4 for 3 days now.
I turn my phone off every night. So two nights for this phone. Each time I have turned it off it has been fully charged, with the battery indicator and a third party app both showing 100 %. The next morning (about 8 hours later) I'm finding the battery has dropped to ~85%, so losing ~2% per hour when powered off.
Anyone else encountered this or know how to deal with it (before I contact Google)
Note - to power off I press the power stud until the Power Off menu appears, select Power Off, then click on OK to shut the phone down.
This is with Android 4.2.1
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Are you using a custom rom, maybe its only sleeping.
Can't speak for the OP - but for me, no on both devices - totally stock. The latest one, box fresh on Friday! Also, the phone is most definitely OFF, and not just sleeping, ie, I press the power button & choose the "power off" option from the pop up. Unfortunately there's no way to really test this, by pulling the battery...
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Can't speak for the OP - but for me, no on both devices - totally stock. The latest one, box fresh on Friday! Also, the phone is most definitely OFF, and not just sleeping, ie, I press the power button & choose the "power off" option from the pop up. Unfortunately there's no way to really test this, by pulling the battery...
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Why not just leave it charging when it's off..
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It probably wasn't really at 100% even it was reporting as such. The reporting is broken. So when you rebooted you saw the real battery level.
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Nah - I tested it multiple times on my first phone. One time I left it for over two days and the battery went from "reporting 100%" to being under 10% whilst turned off!! Also on all the charges - I deliberately would leave the phone on the charger for multiple hours, even after it was reporting 100%, as I had the same suspicion. Often I'd leave it to charge overnight...
I have never had this issue with any other phone, or with my Nexus 7 (which I have subsequently tested in this respect, and it is perfectly capable of holding a charge whilst off)
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Why not just leave it charging when it's off..
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It's not so much that it's a practical issue, it's more that I'm worried that it might indicative of a larger hardware based defect, and I'm not happy spending my hard earned cash on faulty goods.
If it's a very common complaint/fault then I won't bother to RMA the second one, but if I'm just ridiculously unlucky, and very few people are experiencing this totally weird behaviour, then I'll take my chances on a third...
Also, I don't think it's too much to ask to be able to turn my phone off to prevent it from losing any more charge. I can think of a plethora of scenarios where this would be extremely useful...
I'm now convinced of three things.
1. Android 4.2.1 can not properly read the battery state
2. Shutting down the phone does NOT do that, but rather puts it in to a hybernate mode that still requires battery charge
3. There is a fundamental design flaw in the phone that part causes this.
Most mornings I find my previously shut down at 100% charged phone at only 80-85%, though occasionally it is as high as 97-99, but not often.
Oh and my ROM is stock, my phone is not rooted.
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I'm now convinced of three things.
1. Android 4.2.1 can not properly read the battery state
2. Shutting down the phone does NOT do that, but rather puts it in to a hybernate mode that still requires battery charge
3. There is a fundamental design flaw in the phone that part causes this.
Most mornings I find my previously shut down at 100% charged phone at only 80-85%, though occasionally it is as high as 97-99, but not often.
Oh and my ROM is stock, my phone is not rooted.
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I agree on all counts apart from the first, as my nexus 7 and my Mum's Nexus 10 behave totally normally in this respect, both on 4.2.1 and 4.2.2 (both stock/unrooted, although the Nexus 7 was rooted/bl-unlocked for a time).
Also, I don't believe it's a miss reading of the battery state, as I often leave the device charging for multiple hours after it reports 100%, by which point it simply must be fully charged. What's more - if you leave the device off for long enough it will fully discharge! The craziest thing is that the phone's battery seems to drain quicker when it's 'turned off", than when it's powered on and sleeping. Seriously WTF.
It must be something to do with either the LG hardware, or LG specific code in the Google ROM. Obviously the phone is incapable of properly shutting down, which is pretty crappy for a so called "flagship" device. As someone who likes to have full control of their device, I find it more than a wee bit irksome, that I don't have the ability to completely shutdown my phone! This is also where the irremovable battery is annoying, because there's no way to test whether it's a hardware or software issue, although I guess I could try a custom ROM and see if it still happens.... however I don't really wanna root & rom if I'm going to RMA it....
I'm really interested to know how many other people have this defect and don't even realise it, because their phone is either in use or charging! I find it hard to believe that I could be unlucky enough to have got two uniquely defective devices in a row...
I'd really appreciate it if people could check their devices for this issue, both on stock and custom ROMs, see if we can work out whether it's HW or SW related...
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This is also where the irremovable battery is annoying, because there's no way to test whether it's a hardware or software issue
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You could try powering it off with the bootloader. After you power off normally, hold power and volume down, when the bootloader menu comes on use volume keys to select power off and power button to confirm.
I'm hard pressed to believe the battery in my device would fully discharge if left off, when the phone arrived the battery wasn't dead, I got about three hours of solid tinkering before it died.
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You could try powering it off with the bootloader. After you power off normally, hold power and volume down, when the bootloader menu comes on use volume keys to select power off and power button to confirm.
I'm hard pressed to believe the battery in my device would fully discharge if left off, when the phone arrived the battery wasn't dead, I got about three hours of solid tinkering before it died.
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That's a good point. Mine came out of the box at about 80%.... hmmm. It could be that once it's first turned on it won't turn off again... this is such an odd issue! I shall try powering off from the bootloader next time, I'd still love to hear if other people's phones exhibit this anomaly though...
I'm aware that it's hard to believe issue, but there's only one way to find out...
I'm also very curious to know if loading a custom rom might solve it. I'm far less concerned if it's a software issue, I just don't want to have spend £250 on defective hardware.
I'm 100% stock, no Custom ROM nor kernal (kernel?) and my phone WILL discharge if left unplugged and "off". Happens every time I come back from overseas. Fully charge it up on the plane (even left the phone on but in airplane mode to 100% thinking that it was a misread of the battery level when the phone was "off") and still the same issue... turn it on a few days later and the charge is down to 75% or so....
I thought I was losing it... but I'm not the only one...
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I'm 100% stock, no Custom ROM nor kernal (kernel?) and my phone WILL discharge if left unplugged and "off". Happens every time I come back from overseas. Fully charge it up on the plane (even left the phone on but in airplane mode to 100% thinking that it was a misread of the battery level when the phone was "off") and still the same issue... turn it on a few days later and the charge is down to 75% or so....
I thought I was losing it... but I'm not the only one...
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Ha - me too! With the first one, I actually went into a weird sort of denial, where I kept convincing myself that I must of got it wrong, it just seemed so absurd! Eventually I put it to the test (multiple times) and realized that my memory wasn't as bad as I'd been trying to persuade myself and the phone was in fact discharging when "off".
Anyone else?
Just got the update to 4.2.2 and have got my fingers firmly crossed that it's now a squished bug... although somehow I think it's more likely an LG/hardware issue...
What you could try to do it charge the battery to 100%, hold the power button for 10 seconds until it fully shuts itself off. Leave it overnight and see the battery level is at the next day.
After I upgraded to Kitkatt i have noticed bluetooth appearing in the battery percentage. I have read from others about 5-10 percent maybe but my battery drain is ENORMOUS given the way battery was before kitkatt. I have done a full factory reset and wipe. It seemed to fix it and i was so happy. Now it s back and i have no clue why. I don t use location services. Battery saving button is always on and i keep it to minimum usage.
Ps: the screens were taken a few mins after i woke up. So there was no active usage on the phone during the drain because i was sleeping.
Ps2: Bluetooth has never been turned on. I do not use it.
Ps3: This happens in bursts of battery drain. 5% may be used while i wrote this post and some facebook use for 1 hour, and after a while in 1 hour of leaving it on the table i will lose 10% from Bluetooth.
Tldr but did you try hard reset the phone?
Also try rebooting the phone in safe mode by holding power of button and then when power off menu comes on, hold power of for 3-4 seconds to reboot in safe mode.
Let me know if any of these work.
Hmm its weird that you have such an enormous bluetooth drain in the first place, and in the second place that bluetooth isnt even enabled??? You could maybe post an logcat also with enabling/disabling logcat since maybe bluetooth got bugged in a weird way on your system. Please quote my post since else I may not notice your post and then I can't respond back.