hey guys
just wondering what the diffrence is between the galaxy S fascinate and the galaxy S i9000 is?
i cant find any direct comparisons.
can anyone please help me?
The i9000 is a GSM phone. Fascinate is a CDMA phone.
The i9000 also has an FM radio, we don't
Kevin Gossett said:
The i9000 is a GSM phone. Fascinate is a CDMA phone.
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what does that mean? can i still use one here in australia? was thinking of buying one of these, its NextG compatible to, which is what i want.
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The i9000 also has an FM radio, we don't
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i dont care for radios so no big deal there
i9000 has a Front-Facing camera I believe.
From a bit of research (i.e. Googling ) it would appear that Australia's CDMA network was shut down in 2008, and the GSM network became the only option. A CDMA-only phone won't work on a GSM network, and vice-versa. There are a few phones that support both CDMA and GSM (such as the Droid 2 Global), but most only support one or the other. It would appear that the Fascinate would be pretty much useless in Australia, although the i9000 should work fine if it uses the same set of frequencies as they use there.
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i9000 has a Front-Facing camera I believe.
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yeah mine has a front facing camera, reason i want one is my galaxy S isn't NextG so its slow as **** on the internet, i want a NextG one but the fascinate is the only one they have on stick
it says network is GSM to ??
http://www.smoothmobiles.com.au/samsung-fascinate-nextg.html
aussiesausage said:
yeah mine has a front facing camera, reason i want one is my galaxy S isn't NextG so its slow as **** on the internet, i want a NextG one but the fascinate is the only one they have on stick
it says network is GSM to ??
http://www.smoothmobiles.com.au/samsung-fascinate-nextg.html
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The Fascinate is a CDMA phone. In the US, it's sold on Verizon Wireless. It has 384 MB of RAM in exchange for larger internal storage and camera flash. The Epic is a CDMA phone. It's arguably the best out of all of the US variants. It has a slide-out keyboard and six-axis accelerometer and Front-Facing camera and 5MP camera with single-LED flash. It's sold on Sprint. The Vibrant is closes to the original i9000. It's basically the same except that it has no front-facing camera (although the space to add one is still there) and it has 4 capacitive buttons on the front instead of the original 2. It's GSM. The Captivate is the same as the Vibrant except it's sold on AT&T and, by default, can't sideload applications because of AT&T's stupid restrictions.
The only differences are as many before me have said : Its a CDMA phone, It lacks a front facing camera, and It doesn't have the same amount of internal storage as the i9000 (we do still have 512 megs of RAM, the system only makes 3 something available to android like with all of the S variants). In your situation though it sounds like you'd be better off with an i909. Its basically the 9000 with both CDMA and GSM support but its only for the Chinese market so it may be a bit hard to come across (Ive been hunting for one for the longest myslf to no avail)
What about the Samsung Captivate?
If i got one of them would i be going from good to worse if i sell my Galaxy S i9000?
Really want a NextG and can get a Captivate for $599 ( NextG version )
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Samsung had a gsm model on the market. Isn't that what TelUs in Canada uses?
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CDMA only works in the US. GSM is global. So don't worry about the features. make sure the device works on your network FIRST
If it's being sold in Aus it's probably the Telus Fascinate. OP, is the model # T959D (Telus) or i500 (Verizon)?
Both the Telus Fascinate and the AT&T/Rogers Captivate are GSM phones with the 850 band used for 3g down under. Only the Telus has HSUPA, though, so it may be slightly faster.
takylo said:
CDMA only works in the US. GSM is global. So don't worry about the features. make sure the device works on your network FIRST
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Not true. CDMA is in the US, Canada, and several countries around the world including Japan and even Australia, up until 2008.
However, with CDMA, there is no SIM card to switch and it's a ***** to switch networks and take your phone with you unless the new network doesn't care if you bring outside phones.
ok just called them up and its the TelUS version, so its the GSM version, and NextG will work
fascinate a good pick then after i sell my i9000?
also, they are trying to tell me this phone now
http://www.mobicity.com.au/samsung-vibrant-galaxy-s-16gb.html
is that good after selling my i9000?
Uh, no. The Bell Vibrant (i9000m) would be ok, but that's the T mo one which has different and incompatible bands.
s44 said:
Uh, no. The Bell Vibrant (i9000m) would be ok, but that's the T mo one which has different and incompatible bands.
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it says GSM 850 which is telstra NextG
my god this mobile **** is pee-ing me off, its so hard
No it doesn't: look at the fine print at the link.
Just get the Telus.
The tmobile vibrant does in-fact support the 850 band when its unlocked (just search for tmobile vibrant on AT&T because I cant link it) so either model works
Edit: Or not i suffered from foot in mouth syndrome it only supports the 1900 band
Hitokiri24 said:
The tmobile vibrant does in-fact support the 850 band when its unlocked (just search for tmobile vibrant on AT&T because I cant link it) so either model works
Edit: Or not i suffered from foot in mouth syndrome it only supports the 1900 band
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You can unlock it yourself. There are apps on and off the market that will do it for you. Also, the T-Mobile version supports both T-Mobile's and AT&T's 3G frequencies.
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As you probably heard, Samsung decided to confuse us even more by launching a Canadian Vibrant on Bell Canada's network. That being said, will you guys be looking into rooting this one as well?
for those that are looking for a Euro-like Galaxy S. but with AT&T bands, keep a look-out for the Bell version.
http://galaxys.bell.ca/
http://pages.samsung.com/ca/galaxy/English/
Just use some random Postal Code. for example, search up some random sports arena location, and use their postal code
how do they differ
That's the i9000, not the Vibrant...
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That's the i9000, not the Vibrant...
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that's the Canadian Vibrant with the salme i9000 look but has AT&T 3G bands. I am thinking Samsung probably has one radio chip for all...instead of making different radio chips for different version. So, there may be a way to enable all bands in the radio. We were able to change bands in the service mode but on Tmo vibrant, the 850mhz 3G band is still not active.
I have my phone rooted using Ryanza's OCLF, worked no problem. The only difference i found thus far is the keys to get into recovery and download mode, well for my usage anyways lol
Just wondering if this T Mobile Vibrant is the same as far as rooting and flashing goes as the version Bell will be launching soon in Canada?
Thanks
Bump, anyone know?
To my knowledge, no it isn't. It seems like it will be the same (or atleast look the same) as the euro galaxy S
biggest consideration is to check what frequencies your carrier uses ie is it GSM or CDMA, and for 3g Data what freqs
the tmobile is GSM and for 3G Tmo uses the AWS IV band, ie 1700/2100, and it has to be both of those if you were bringing a european phone here to the USA to use on tmobile - tmobile europe only uses 2100 for 3G, no 1700
as the 2100 is the download side i figured i could live without 3g upload speed but just before pulling the trigger on a european tmobile HTC Desire i found out that if the phone didn't have both sides, ie both 1700 for upload and 2100 for download, tmo's network would hold the phone to 2G or EDGE data speeds
so best bet is to first identify Bell's freqs - and you can do that on the web -
hope that helps some
Thanks, Bell's network is 850/1900. Same as AT&T but it doesn't look anything like the Captivate. Too many models of the same phone... too confusing...
I wouldn't be concerned with looks, in fact to me (i own a vibrant) i like the captivate case better - that report endgadget.com had on the two (vibrant/captivate) liked the way the captivate's case released in the back
the vibrant you have to pop the caseback with your fingernail - its secure but kind of a chintzy way to do it, especially when the capitvate has a nice pull and release mechanism
and the rear surface has some texture for a little better grip
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Thanks, Bell's network is 850/1900. Same as AT&T but it doesn't look anything like the Captivate. Too many models of the same phone... too confusing...
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My guess is the standard Galaxy S form factor is a little too much like the iPhone for AT&T's taste, so they wanted one that looks different. They don't want to piss off Apple, their goose that lays the golden eggs.
Sent from my Samsung Vibrant
I've got my crystal ball tuned up...
Bell gets a unit that looks exactly like the US T-Mobile Vibrant, otherwise they wouldn't have called it that. With the AWS/2100 replaced with 850/1900, and same as the T-Mo, no FFC. Bell gets the first Canadian unit, so they got that going on for "cool factor". I'm like 95.9% sure of this.
Based on the posters for the launch party, Telus gets an GSM Epic. That makes a lot of sense, especially since they're releasing the LCD Desire very shortly...the thicker, less sleek Epic would not be in the same category, and they wouldn't have went to the expense of getting the Desire if they were getting regular non-keyboard Galaxy S variant, and vice versa. I'm about 75% sure of this.
A Telus Epic would also make a great replacement for the aging Milestone, which is now out of production, with the GSM Milestone 2 probably still months off.
Rogers gets an unknown unit. I'd lean towards them getting the Captivate style, except for the whole AT&T exclusive lock on the unit, September release of the same unit that works on the same bands seems a little soon for AT&T to give up on the exclusivity costs.
But Rogers needs something to bring to the table that's different than Bell or Telus, so they may get a GSM Fascinate (complete with camera flash). The timing matches the Verizon release window as well, and both may be waiting on Samsung to get these into full production. They may also get the Euro model complete with FFC and big home button, Rogers has a history of supporting video calling. Whatever version they release, it will most likely ship with Froyo in the box.
To confuse the Rogers matter more, the rumor in the SIM unlocking circles is that the AT&T Captivate codes won't be available until October. If Rogers ships a Captivate version of it in September, with the same name, then AT&T will start releasing SIM codes to those that ask, because it's no longer exclusivity-locked.
I'm 33% on each of the Rogers options (Captivate, Fascinate, "pure" Galaxy S)
But it's all guesswork.
That's a pretty interesting theory you have there, and it makes sense too.
Has anyone gotten any of these Galaxy S models sim unlocked yet?
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I've got my crystal ball tuned up...
Bell gets a unit that looks exactly like the US T-Mobile Vibrant, otherwise they wouldn't have called it that. With the AWS/2100 replaced with 850/1900, and same as the T-Mo, no FFC. Bell gets the first Canadian unit, so they got that going on for "cool factor". I'm like 95.9% sure of this.
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This is the only part of your comment that I think I will argue with. I think the bell version will look identical to the european one. Why do I think so? Two reasons my dear watson,
A.) www . youtube.com/watch?=8QSl8FyhjJE&feature=player_embedded
This video which I believe is correct. (and I think I saw another video that was just a hands on in a small room filled with guys in suits and the one reviewer.
B.) The Samsung Canada page for this device: www . samsung.com/ca/consumer/mobile/mobile-phones/all-phones/GT-I9000HKABMC/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail&returnurl=
P.S. I've also heard of rumours of Rogers coming out with a galaxy S device, and Furthermore, supposedly the release date for the Bell Galaxy S will be August 6th
AT&T, with their infinite wisdom, decided to remove the front facing camera from the Captivate as to keep video calling "exclusive" to the iPhone 4. Bastards!
Anyway, is there any version of the Galaxy S out there that supports 850/1900 3G AND comes with the front camera? I know Rogers is getting their version some time in September, but no word as to whether the front camera will be included, nor do I want to wait that long
buy the internation verison "i9000" that one has front facing camera, and it can go video calling with skype/fringe or phone to phone on any Europe/Asia phone network.
just north america have the feature DISABLED, because they want to make people belive it is for "iphone" only
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buy the internation verison "i9000" that one has front facing camera, and it can go video calling with skype/fringe or phone to phone on any Europe/Asia phone network.
just north america have the feature DISABLED, because they want to make people belive it is for "iphone" only
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It doesn't have support for 850mhz 3G, or does it? New York city is primarily 850, which is why I'm looking for an 850/1900 compatible model
Bell Vibrant Galaxy S
http://galaxys.bell.ca/
looks pretty much like the Euro version. except Bell runs on the HSPA 850MHz, so it has the bands that you require
2G probably isn't tested though, since Bell doesn't run on a GSM network
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Bell Vibrant Galaxy S
since Bell doesn't run on a GSM network
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If that's the case, I highly doubt it will work on AT&T.
Ziostilon said:
Bell Vibrant Galaxy S
http://galaxys.bell.ca/
looks pretty much like the Euro version. except Bell runs on the HSPA 850MHz, so it has the bands that you require
2G probably isn't tested though, since Bell doesn't run on a GSM network
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If that's the case, I highly doubt it will work on AT&T.
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I wouldn't say that though, my brother had an Omnia II from Bell and it supported Quadband 2G and 850/1900 3G
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I wouldn't say that though, my brother had an Omnia II from Bell and it supported Quadband 2G and 850/1900 3G
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the thing is, if you are willing to change from GSM to CDMA
DATA will not work, if you are not joined to either GSM or CDMA
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the thing is, if you are willing to change from GSM to CDMA
DATA will not work, if you are not joined to either GSM or CDMA
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Dunno, works fine for him on AT&T 3G Voice works over GSM also
a quick google search reveals that phone is a GSM phone, so it can not be from Bell.
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Samsung-Omnia-II-phone-p_3790.html
your friend must have purchased it elsewhere, Bell only works on CDMA
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buy the internation verison "i9000" that one has front facing camera, and it can go video calling with skype/fringe or phone to phone on any Europe/Asia phone network.
just north america have the feature DISABLED, because they want to make people belive it is for "iphone" only
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Is it DISABLED or is has the camera been removed. I can't tell since there are indications of some kind of sensors on the front above and to the left of the AT&T logo. If it has been disabled there is the possibility of enabling it with firmware or other software. If it has been removed, no software in the world is going to make a front-facing camera work. Do you have actual information or is this speculation?
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a quick google search reveals that phone is a GSM phone, so it can not be from Bell.
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Samsung-Omnia-II-phone-p_3790.html
your friend must have purchased it elsewhere, Bell only works on CDMA
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http://www.bell.ca/shopping/PrsShpW..._catalog_item_sku=68968®ion=AB&language=en
Dual-band: 850/1900 MHz HSPA/UMTS
Quad-band: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz GSM/GPRS/EDGE
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I'm positive it was a Bell phone.. the box was labeled as Bell mobility
i9000 has the camera,
local USA versions of the SGS Galaxy S have their cameras removed.
and north america phone network does not officially support face to face phone calls yet (we are so technologically backwards here... sigh... )
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Is it DISABLED or is has the camera been removed. I can't tell since there are indications of some kind of sensors on the front above and to the left of the AT&T logo. If it has been disabled there is the possibility of enabling it with firmware or other software. If it has been removed, no software in the world is going to make a front-facing camera work. Do you have actual information or is this speculation?
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i9000 has the camera,
local USA versions of the SGS Galaxy S have their cameras removed.
and north america phone network does not officially support face to face phone calls yet (we are so technologically backwards here... sigh... )
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Yea, kind of sad :\ We could use it with Fring if it had it, just like the Evo 4G
wow, beats me, isn't that interesting... since when Bell started offering GSM services?
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http://www.bell.ca/shopping/PrsShpW..._catalog_item_sku=68968®ion=AB&language=en
I'm positive it was a Bell phone.. the box was labeled as Bell mobility
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I get the impression at ATT is trying to lessen the load on their data network. That's why they remove the front camera. They don't remove it from iPhone because they have already forced apple to also disable facetime over 3G in iPhone 4.
Bell's old 2G network was CDMA (and EVDO for 3G), but their HSPA Network is Sim Card based. This includes 3.5G Data as well as normal Voice/Text. So yes, the Bell Samsung Vibrant will work on AT&T as it as the same HSPA bands (850/1900) and it has a front facing camera.
Any unlocked phone that supports HSPA 850 OR 1900 will work on Bell. Their towers broadcast both frequencies, but you'll lose reception in rural areas (and basements) with phones that only support 1900 (like the Euro Galaxy S). I have a Telstra HTC Desire that has only the 850 band, works perfectly in all areas.
I hope the bell version doesn't have a front camera or else I will be very sad with my version. But oh well. By the time bell releases their version, perhaps the 4g epic will be out. Hardware Keyboard + Flash > 15 extra GB
well even so, i still prefer the Euro SGS with only the 1900 band & 2100 band working for both voice and data.
if all else fails, i can always revert back to my old HTC Athena for 850 bands in dire emergencies
DO get the Canadian Bell Version its the same as the i9000 to a T
Yes it will work, and yes it's GSM based with SIM. If you do a quick check of just the BELL website, they Sell APPLE products guys.. which as we know are DEFINITELY GSM... not only that but they sell sim cards on the front page.
I'm getting one first day, and I don't even live in Canada! It's a QUAD-band phone for one thing, world phone dudes... secondly.. it does support 850 HSDPA AT&T bands (they use the iphone4's for christ sakes of course they aren't CDMA!)
on Wiki (it's cited but no clue on validity) for Bell you will see it's basically Canada's AT&T correct? Ma Bell owns a whopping 39% of Bell it appears.
The euro version is not on 850 for us AT&T users so do NOT get that one, get the Canadian 'Vibrant' as they're calling it. I'm sure Rogers will shoot one out soon as well.
Anyways I checked out AT&T on facebook and it appears they are 'testing' LTE late this year and implementing next. I think that's a crock of sheet myself, they do everything last and give their users sheeeeet! Verizon and Sprint and even MetroPCS are rolling it out ASAP it appears beginning next year Goodluck out there kids!
@ap27 sorry dude missed your post there
Yeah I had a desire for 2 months loved it, wanted to move to the Galaxy, the screen is at least 5x better no sh*t do a side by side, I had both for over a month until I sold my Desire for over $150 what I paid for it on ebay hah.
forgot release date is 2 days August 6th and it has the SAME hardware buttons as the i9000 not like the 'Tmobile USA Vibrant', so this pup will flash up stock i9000 rocks asap!
Also guys Bell charges a whopping $75 to unlock their phones, I asked their reps 2 weeks ago with all the info. BUT you can easily go here ( http://www.unlock2go.com/ ) I spoke to their rep a week ago (they're based in Florida, USA) and they'll be doing unlocking for it, $29 one time of course.... not bad.
As for the front facing camera (FFC) I think we all know that once sprint launches the epic and such we will see TONS of free apps on the market for video chat, even more so on your data service not just wifi. Gravy! Live nude chats with the lady for free hah
anyone know if we can unlock the bell version using the same method to unlock the other SGS models?
I currently have a Captivate with ATT but would like the added features of the I9000 unlocked version, like front facing cam and the FM radio.
Will the I9000 work with the ATT network. I realize that there are a few differences in the bands that each use, but want the I9000 to work the same as the Captivate. 3g etc.
Anyone have anything on this?
thanks
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I currently have a Captivate with ATT but would like the added features of the I9000 unlocked version, like front facing cam and the FM radio.
Will the I9000 work with the ATT network. I realize that there are a few differences in the bands that each use, but want the I9000 to work the same as the Captivate. 3g etc.
Anyone have anything on this?
thanks
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I am currently using the i9000 on at&t with a new contract (still on my 30-day return policy for the contract). I still have some testing to do with it. One thing that is important to note is that the i9000 will only get 3g in areas with 1900mhz 3g, NOT the 850mhz 3g. Also, the i9000 will be a lot more expansive then the captivate.
edit: Gosh I hate typos.
oh...thanks..i live in the dallas area..ill check to see if we have 1900
if you are interested. Bell Mobility in Canada will release a version that looks pretty much like the EUR version
it is however still called the Vibrant
http://galaxys.bell.ca/
you will have to first unlock the handset before using it on another carrier
Hi all,
Im thinking of buying this phone but from what i have read there isnt much difference between the Atrix and the Atrix 4g.
How will I be able to tell which is which? specs are almost the same.
Should add that I am buying used. Also, I am in the UK.
Look forward to your replies!
They are the same phone!
I'm also in the UK, really like my atrix, but coming from a modded android to a locked phone is a bit difficult...
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They are the same phone!
I'm also in the UK, really like my atrix, but coming from a modded android to a locked phone is a bit difficult...
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your sure? i read somewhere that the first atrix has 5mp cam which has been upped to 8mp in the new version.
Maybe im mistaken.
Yes ive heard about Moto not playing nice with rooting!
It is the Atrix 4g and the Atrix 2. And the Atrix 4g has a 5 MP camera and the Atrix 2 has a 8 MP camera. The most noticeable thing I saw in the looks of the 2 phones was the Atrix 4g has the speaker on the back at the bottom and the Atrix 2 has the speaker on the front at the top.
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It is the Atrix 4g and the Atrix 2. And the Atrix 4g has a 5 MP camera and the Atrix 2 has a 8 MP camera. The most noticeable thing I saw in the looks of the 2 phones was the Atrix 4g has the speaker on the back at the bottom and the Atrix 2 has the speaker on the front at the top.
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yeah that's right... looking at the specs on motorola website, seems that's the only difference!
cool, now i know what to look out for!!!
atrix(4g) is not a locked phone, is it? If you follow the guide, you can unlock the bootloader and flash different ROMs on it.
Another difference between atrix(4g) and atrix 2 is the fingerprint scanner. atrix 2 doesn't have it.
Since you are in the UK you will probably want the "Motorola Atrix" since it has the 900MHz UMTS band needed for some UK carriers like Vodafone and O2.
The "Motorola Atrix 4G" is the title used for the Atrix line that is used in North America for carriers like AT&T and Bell.
Look at these two links and you will see that the main difference is the bands used for their 3G networks. AT&T and Bell use 850/1900 and Vodafone and O2 use 900/2100.
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_atrix-3709.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_atrix_4g-3708.php
I could be wrong but this is what I can gather from your question. Also, you might be able to use the "4G" branded one because it still uses the 2100MHz band (if unlocked) but you might experience reduced coverage (slower speeds).
The difference in cameras is between the Atrix(4G) and Atrix 2.
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_atrix_2-4199.php
Which also does not use the 900MHz band.
EDIT: I would also like to point out that they do all use the same "Quad-band GSM" but that is for the 2G(EDGE) network, and not 3G(UMTS/HSPA)
jman316 said:
Hi all,
Im thinking of buying this phone but from what i have read there isnt much difference between the Atrix and the Atrix 4g.
How will I be able to tell which is which? specs are almost the same.
Should add that I am buying used. Also, I am in the UK.
Look forward to your replies!
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Some suggested the only difference between atrix and atrix 4g is the firmware. But I don't know how true it is.
I have a Bell (canadian) atrix 4G, and I am currently in UK on O2. Is there any way to tell if I can use UMTS900 or not?
If there is a way to tell, and I manage to connect to UMTS900, then I will say there is no difference between atrix and atrix4G.
Right, an unlocked Bell/AT&T Atrix will work on almost all of the UK networks but it will be restricted to the 2100MHz band for 3G(HSPA) or quad-band GSM for 2G(EDGE).
You don't need to try "to tell" if your Bell Atrix is using the 900MHz band for 3G(UMTS/HSPA) because it cannot. It's in the specs, it just doesn't have the capability.
http://www.bell.ca/Mobility/Products/Motorola_Atrix_4G/Specifications.tab
Just to clarify, I'm not saying you can't use an unlocked AT&T/Bell Atrix in the UK, all I'm saying is it will not be able to use the 900MHz band for 3G. It will, however, be able to use it on EDGE/2G. I'm fairly certain it's a hardware thing.
ken218 said:
Some suggested the only difference between atrix and atrix 4g is the firmware. But I don't know how true it is.
I have a Bell (canadian) atrix 4G, and I am currently in UK on O2. Is there any way to tell if I can use UMTS900 or not?
If there is a way to tell, and I manage to connect to UMTS900, then I will say there is no difference between atrix and atrix4G.
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People seems to be either pretty certain it is only a firmware difference, or pretty certain it is a hardware difference. But no one can confirm which one is correct...
I do agree, based on the spec from motorola, US/CA atrix doesn't support UMTS900.
ken218 said:
People seems to be either pretty certain it is only a firmware difference, or pretty certain it is a hardware difference. But no one can confirm which one is correct...
I do agree, based on the spec from motorola, US/CA atrix doesn't support UMTS900.
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Same result I've had. I've posted a question thread on the modems here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1442350
Its annoying me because if its just a software limitation, what is there to stop us from giving it 900mhz umts support? The "workaround" just needs discovering by a developer (I've been mooching around, but i'm not dev!)
O2 UK has UMTS on 900MHz now, and one local to me so I want to use it without replacing it for a UK atrix lol.
What we need is an international/uk user to be brave and strip their phone down and find out for us!
My gut feeling is its something in the kernel/drivers/boot loader provided for the AT&T Atrix. On samsungs there is a secret menu for turning bands on and off.. but none of those codes will work on the Atrix of course (even the generic test ones built into android don't work!)
If you know anywhere close to London where o2 has UMTS900 coverage, but no UMTS2100 coverage, then I will try it out.
If I can get 3G at that location, then my Bell Atrix with UK baseband works with UMTS900. If not, then it is more than likely to be hardware.
ken218 said:
If you know anywhere close to London where o2 has UMTS900 coverage, but no UMTS2100 coverage, then I will try it out.
If I can get 3G at that location, then my Bell Atrix with UK baseband works with UMTS900. If not, then it is more than likely to be hardware.
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If you can come down to Solent Business Park/Whiteley you'll have it there on 900mhz. They were digging up the road a few weeks ago right by the mast (which is pretty much line of sight with my office), and I took my Nokia N900 (on GiffGaff as its a spare!) which supports UMTS 900 and it had full 3G signal (atrix had full 2g), which it could never get before. The nearest 2100mhz mast is like 2 miles away. The atrix will pick the 2100 mast up rarely down there, and when it does, it has 1 bar if that.
I tried a few different base bands while at work, none seem to provide positive results on my AT&T Atrix.
When it comes to the differences of the Atrix and the Atrix 4G, it is the 900MHz UMTS band. The Intl version has it but the AT&T/Bell version does not.
While the OP (@jman316) was looking for the differences between these two versions, you seem to be trying to figure out how to access that band on the AT&T version, which is not possible.
GSM and UMTS are not compatible. UMTS is an evolution of GSM but they are not the same. So, going back to your dilemma, you have stated in your other thread that you currently have an AT&T version. Based on that, you cannot use the 900MHz band on 3G/UMTS/HSPA. Only 2G/GSM/EDGE.
http://etutorials.org/Mobile+device...eral+Packet+Radio+Service+and+UMTS+PS+Domain/
http://www.differencebetween.net/technology/difference-between-gsm-and-umts/
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_difference_between_umts_and_gsm
To reiterate, quad-band GSM is not the same thing as UMTS/HSPA The AT&T Atrix can only use the 900MHz band on EDGE/2G, not 3G/UMTS/HSPA.
I apologize if I seem derisive on the matter, I just feel that the facts are right there.
tehrules said:
Same result I've had. I've posted a question thread on the modems here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1442350
Its annoying me because if its just a software limitation, what is there to stop us from giving it 900mhz umts support? The "workaround" just needs discovering by a developer (I've been mooching around, but i'm not dev!)
O2 UK has UMTS on 900MHz now, and one local to me so I want to use it without replacing it for a UK atrix lol.
What we need is an international/uk user to be brave and strip their phone down and find out for us!
My gut feeling is its something in the kernel/drivers/boot loader provided for the AT&T Atrix. On samsungs there is a secret menu for turning bands on and off.. but none of those codes will work on the Atrix of course (even the generic test ones built into android don't work!)
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live4nyy said:
When it comes to the differences of the Atrix and the Atrix 4G, it is the 900MHz UMTS band. The Intl version has it but the AT&T/Bell version does not.
While the OP (@jman316) was looking for the differences between these two versions, you seem to be trying to figure out how to access that band on the AT&T version, which is not possible.
GSM and UMTS are not compatible. UMTS is an evolution of GSM but they are not the same. So, going back to your dilemma, you have stated in your other thread that you currently have an AT&T version. Based on that, you cannot use the 900MHz band on 3G/UMTS/HSPA. Only 2G/GSM/EDGE.
http://etutorials.org/Mobile+device...eral+Packet+Radio+Service+and+UMTS+PS+Domain/
http://www.differencebetween.net/technology/difference-between-gsm-and-umts/
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_difference_between_umts_and_gsm
To reiterate, quad-band GSM is not the same thing as UMTS/HSPA The AT&T Atrix can only use the 900MHz band on EDGE/2G, not 3G/UMTS/HSPA.
I apologize if I seem derisive on the matter, I just feel that the facts are right there.
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I'm very aware of the differences in the technology. I don't know where your comparison of GSM/UMTS and the links relevant here. Its a quad band gsm and quad band UTMS/WCDMA/3G phone with one band disabled be it through a hardware modification to the chip or by software.
What we are trying to drill down to is this:
1. Is it the same cellular modem chip used in both AT&T/Bell and the international versions?
If yes then,
2. Why is it not possible to enable the disabled band?
Has anyone really done any research into either of these? No. If had a spare pool of money I'd buy a UK phone, and strip it down, and prove once and for all what difference there is, and we could then say, oh so the chips are different models so that explains that or go, oh its the same chip/part number, lets hack the software a bit.
Also Atrix 2 uses normal tft lcd instead of pentile as in original atrix.
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el_venga said:
Also Atrix 2 uses normal tft lcd instead of pentile as in original atrix.
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We are not on about the Atrix 2, we are on about Atrix 4G (US) vs Atrix (UK/EU/World)
What I have quoted above about 3G on 900mhz should be possible, here is a little pointer (evidence perhaps?) as to why it should work...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1334674
http://www.option.com/en/products/p...ons/lgamodulegtm601-609/specifications/#start
http://www.m2msearch.com/node/128
http://www.att.com/media/en_US/docs/edo/ATT_Approved_Modules.xls
http://www.scribd.com/doc/54154049/...odem-Device-Specification-Advance-Information
I have done a lot of research into the matter and from what I have gathered the chips/modules responsible for the compatible frequencies can be tailored to specs according to the customer's (AT&T) requests. Which, from my understanding, would be a hardware issue. So, even if they have the same chip, it wouldn't matter, since AT&T can have it custom made to just use the frequencies they approve. Which actually sounds a lot like something AT&T would do, given their track record.
I also found this thread where others are pretty certain it is not possible:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1233097
tehrules said:
I'm very aware of the differences in the technology. I don't know where your comparison of GSM/UMTS and the links relevant here. Its a quad band gsm and quad band UTMS/WCDMA/3G phone with one band disabled be it through a hardware modification to the chip or by software.
What we are trying to drill down to is this:
1. Is it the same cellular modem chip used in both AT&T/Bell and the international versions?
If yes then,
2. Why is it not possible to enable the disabled band?
Has anyone really done any research into either of these? No. If had a spare pool of money I'd buy a UK phone, and strip it down, and prove once and for all what difference there is, and we could then say, oh so the chips are different models so that explains that or go, oh its the same chip/part number, lets hack the software a bit.
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Ok this is all confusing now !
Will i be able to get 3g speeds in the Uk with the Atrix or is it limited to 2G!?