I'm usually that guy that rolls his eyes at crying about 2.2 being released. I make jokes about your phone not automatically dispensing cash after you update it. I tell people to sit on it, it isn't that big of a deal.
Well I take it all back.
I've been running DK28 since it is was available on google (update zip). I switched to various versions of Bonsai, I've run TrulyEpic. I've been pleased with all of them.
The only problem I really have had was on all DK28 based installs, I end up with messaging locking up every 20 or so texts, and it will stick at Sending... until I reboot the phone, then it will send the queue after 45 seconds or so. No big deal really, just a nuisance, and I've seen many others with the issue.
Well two days ago I started getting the 'no audio' phone calls where you have to speakerphone on/off to hear anything. That I can't deal with. I know several have had it happen, but that is just something that can severely affect my productivity and must be stopped.
After fooling around with reflashes a bit I decided to go back to stock(ish). I odin'd back to DI18.
I figured CWM2.5, get my root explorer going again, organize everything how I want and just sit tight until we go official. Learned my fav GTG doesn't work correctly with 2.1; no problem, we'll use LauncherPro and suck it up some more. So I get everything organized how I like it and ready to go.
Crap this sucks. 2.2 really is nicer. Everything is more fluid. Menus are more welcoming in appearance. There is significantly less jitters moving between apps (I'm looking at you, Market). USB connectivity issues are resolved (I totally forgot how finicky 2.1 was with USB cord connecting).
And benchmarks? Yeah forget about them, the difference is depressing.
So yeah, sorry. We really do deserve 2.2 on this phone. It'd just been so long I forgot I'm still keeping 2.1 on it for now... possibly until update (2012 is just around the corner). I thought it might be nice to have a back-and-forth perspective for a change, as I haven't seen many people go back to 2.1 with intention of staying.
TL;DR:
Went back to 2.1
Misses 2.2
Still TL;DR:
Whaaaaaaa!
People keep saying 2.2 is faster. I've put 2 epics side by side one with DI18 one with DK28. Froyo is slower, not by a little, by a lot. Some small things operate a little faster, but in whole the entire user interaction is slower than eclair. I've tried several times, even swapped what phones had what OS, results never changed.
I went back to 2.1 and also think it is faster and a lot quicker to response. 2.2 seemed pretty sluggish to me. The 2.2 Roms were nice but I did not like Ext 4 so I just reverted back to 2.1
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People keep saying 2.2 is faster. I've put 2 epics side by side one with DI18 one with DK28. Froyo is slower, not by a little, by a lot. Some small things operate a little faster, but in whole the entire user interaction is slower than eclair. I've tried several times, even swapped what phones had what OS, results never changed.
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See that's strange because I went back and forth several times for about 3 hours last night making comparisons and on mine, it was just the opposite :/
Agreed, there are lots of little things in Froyo that are faster (transitions and stuff), but those I discount because they aren't really indicative of the speed of the phone so much as the way the transition is designed to appear.
Over all though, much less lag between applications on 2.2... the Market being one of the worst to open showing obvious jitters etc.
Funny as it is, I can live with that stuff; the things that really bother me are the totally superfluous things like cosmetics and the simplicity of sticking a usb cable in and the phone figuring out what I want to do on it's own and not asking me to unplug it, change a setting, replug it, etc.
Anywho.... I'll see how long I stick it out
I've been back on stock for almost a week now after trying various ROMs, and I've decided to tough it out until an official update if one comes at all. It's not a bad experience at all for me.
been running Baked Snack 1.6(DI18) over here...... crazy fast! especially on wifi. i like the idea of building a house on a good foundation, so sticking with DI18 for now.
DK28 is a POS... My 2.1 run faster and smoother then any DK28 I've tried... IMO developers should save their energy till we get the official release.
Quantum is nice and fast I got a live wallpaper and it's doing well
I keep switching back and forth between 2.1 and 2.2 Nebula with Ext4 and I have to say that overall, 2.1 with xtreme kernal and Syndicate is just as fast with great battery than the froyo roms. Although Nebula is performing great for me and I do have the occasional glitch from time to time, I think I'm gonna roll with it at least for another week
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DK28 is a POS... My 2.1 run faster and smoother then any DK28 I've tried... IMO developers should save their energy till we get the official release.
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Here here....
My wife was on baked snack 1.6 and i was running one of the dk28 roms my phone was smoking her phone. just saying. much quicker load times, better gps and battery.
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Quantum is nice and fast I got a live wallpaper and it's doing well
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Quantum is buggy. Probably not the developers fault, as most of the issues are DK28, but I have been running Quantum 2.7 since it came out and I certainly wouldn't use the words "nice" or "fast" to describe it. Also, some of the bugs are absolutely not DK28. I am trying to be very careful not to insult the developer, but the issues that his rom has makes me want to do awful things to my phone sometimes.
I know how you feel OP. I can barely stand using my Epic anymore cause of the sickness it causes. I feel I've been cheated by just buying the phone, thinking that it was gonna be updated with some sort of quickness. It's just depressing knowing that when you spend that much money and are stuck behind 2 O/S upgrades. Hopefully we will get something soon, but I'm not holding my breath.
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I know how you feel OP. I can barely stand using my Epic anymore cause of the sickness it causes. I feel I've been cheated by just buying the phone, thinking that it was gonna be updated with some sort of quickness. It's just depressing knowing that when you spend that much money and are stuck behind 2 O/S upgrades. Hopefully we will get something soon, but I'm not holding my breath.
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The way people are around here the last month or so, I'm not sure if that first sentence is sincerity or sarcasm
I actually had no care or consideration for 2.2 when I bought the phone. Wasn't the least of my concerns. I just wanted the newest Sprint smartphone, and I couldn't use an Evo because A) needed a slide out keyboard for certain things that the popup wouldn't work and B) Evos are far more moisture sensitive due to their construction and it wouldn't have lasted a week for me.
Having tried 2.2 out though, it just feels more natural to me. Everyone is back and forth on the speed thing, and that really isn't it for me. 2.2 feels more natural in a lot of respects, both in form and function where 2.1 feels more half-completed. Like comparing a spiral staircase to an aluminum ladder.
My point was that it really does, as far as feeling like a completed unit, -make- the phone. There are glitches etc that aren't part of my consideration as I expect them to be Beta related. No doubt 2.1 is more solid and probably faster at some things than others... speed isn't really an issue for me unless you count the App lag and jitters... they suck.
But yeah, now that i've done side-by-sides of it, 2.2 (in a completed non Beta state) really is what the phone deserves. I'm hoping it does eventually happen.
It's nice to know that the grass isn't necessarily greener on the other side. I'm sitting at stock and just waiting for 2.2 to drop. I have no problem rooting (I did the G1 bunches), but I just don't want to go to the trouble of rooting to find a different set of problems. As best I can tell that's what would happen. Even CM Beta 0 is buggy right now. I'll take the devil I know at this point. Thanks for sharing your story.
How is Quantum buggy? I use Quantum 2.1 here without ext4 and I'm not getting any bugs. It's the best rom I've found to date. Froyo is way smoother on basically every single thing I've tried to do than the stock rom ever was.
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How is Quantum buggy? I use Quantum 2.1 here without ext4 and I'm not getting any bugs. It's the best rom I've found to date. Froyo is way smoother on basically every single thing I've tried to do than the stock rom ever was.
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When I tap the power button to put the phone to sleep, it turns off the screen, pauses a second or two, then turns the screen back on with the lockscreen being displayed. It does this about 50% of the time. No other DK28 rom has done this for me, so its not DK28 that is causing this. The wifi toggle in the notification drop down causes errors probably 30% of the time with Wifi never turning on. There are SMS issues where it will freeze and not send messages. Friends have received multiple messages from me over and over for some reason.
I could go on, but I won't.
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When I tap the power button to put the phone to sleep, it turns off the screen, pauses a second or two, then turns the screen back on with the lockscreen being displayed. It does this about 50% of the time. No other DK28 rom has done this for me, so its not DK28 that is causing this. The wifi toggle in the notification drop down causes errors probably 30% of the time with Wifi never turning on. There are SMS issues where it will freeze and not send messages. Friends have received multiple messages from me over and over for some reason.
I could go on, but I won't.
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The power off issue happens to me all the time, and I am running stock dk28, so I wouldnt rule out it being just quantum.
Go Ducks! Sent from my Samsung Epic 4G
i had the power button issue on dk28, quantam and bonsai, until i tried ext4. i havent had the issue since.
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The power off issue happens to me all the time, and I am running stock dk28, so I wouldnt rule out it being just quantum.
Go Ducks! Sent from my Samsung Epic 4G
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Interesting. I ran stock DK28 for a few weeks and it never happened to me. Maybe the bugs I thought were from Quantum were just DK28 being buggy. Its not that big of a deal, yet it infuriates me. Can't wait for official Froyo to be done. Please Samsung, please.
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I don't think this FroYo release is what will be the mass OTA push they were talking about to come in the next couple weeks... while it is awesome on so many levels, there seem to be enough little bugs in need of a little extra polishing that this is more likely a final Beta than actual first release. Anyone else think so?
This is currently being released OTA to all Nexus Ones, you mean when they release it to other phones? I'm sure there will be some patches here and there as usual.
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I don't think this FroYo release is what will be the mass OTA push they were talking about to come in the next couple weeks... while it is awesome on so many levels, there seem to be enough little bugs in need of a little extra polishing that this is more likely a final Beta than actual first release. Anyone else think so?
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I don't know. . . remember how the G1 was released? lol
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This is currently being released OTA to all Nexus Ones, you mean when they release it to other phones? I'm sure there will be some patches here and there as usual.
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From my understanding, this has only been released OTA to Google employees and media review devices, and nobody else. I have yet to see any confirmation from Google they started OTA of FroYo, and a Google Android developer tweeted earlier a sarcastic sounding statement along the lines "Woke up, guess FroYo OTA started today?" and he is one of the top developers at Google.
So, I say just a thought, this isn't the OTA that will be released to the masses... of course could be totally wrong, but it doesn't feel nearly polished enough to be it.
I wouldn't be mad at all if what you are saying is true.. Cyanogen MOD for some reason just "feels" better than Froyo. Don't know why, this update is a little meh.. showing off Flash to friends will be fun of course.
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I don't know. . . remember how the G1 was released? lol
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What? When I got my G1, I checked out my roots (pun intended) and rocked RC29 for a week. I don't see any real difference between it and 2.2
Eclair~ said:
I wouldn't be mad at all if what you are saying is true.. Cyanogen MOD for some reason just "feels" better than Froyo. Don't know why, this update is a little meh.. showing off Flash to friends will be fun of course.
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Can you imagine Cyan, or Enom, or Modaco and FroYo! Oh I can't wait for that. There is a huge speed difference between this and stock 2.1 It is like putting a custom ROM on with a good kernel.
If you want to show off flash really well, youtube is great! There are some nice sites otherwise, of course, but I am really impressed with youtube... loads fast and is smooth.
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I don't think this FroYo release is what will be the mass OTA push they were talking about to come in the next couple weeks... while it is awesome on so many levels, there seem to be enough little bugs in need of a little extra polishing that this is more likely a final Beta than actual first release. Anyone else think so?
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Can you give a list of all these bugs/issues you are experiencing?
After playing with this build for the past 6 hours, I can't think of a single issue.
Must be an issue with your phone : P
I agree. My 3g seems worse so far & I can't seem to be able to get 'move app to SD card working
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Paul22000 said:
Can you give a list of all these bugs/issues you are experiencing?
After playing with this build for the past 6 hours, I can't think of a single issue.
Must be an issue with your phone : P
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First off, it never re-downloaded my apps like so many other people say it did... and yes, I wiped properly, and I even re-flashed from a fresh download. I even went back to a 2.1, and it had my list of downloads(I also have back up setting turned on), come back to 2.2, won't do it... must hate my gmail account or something.
As well, it doesn't wake properly... taking me a couple pushes sometimes, perfect other times. And never had this issue before... also doesn't exist when I went back to 2.1 for a moment to test if I was nuts or not.
thirdly, reboot your phone and tell me how your widgets are doing (although this could be the widgets more than the base OS).
Thirdly, maybe related to the second issue, have had a fair number of odd slow downs and freezes here and there while doing nothing major.
Next up, noticed it is taking multiple presses at times to open apps, beyond "normal" in quantity and consistency. Could be part of the odd slow down.
Finally, there is a list of other issues people are talking about as well...
Like I said, it just seems to have enough little bugs in need of polishing that this isn't it. Nothing major, just seems that there are some small things.
And this isn't to knock it or any of that... just saying it is a thought of mine that this isn't what the mass market OTA will be... very, very, very close, but it is the final Beta IMHO, sort of thing.
Also, to emphasis, I wiped properly, flashed two different versions, and compared to ere27 as well to make sure I wasn't smoking crack.
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What? When I got my G1, I checked out my roots (pun intended) and rocked RC29 for a week. I don't see any real difference between it and 2.2
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My point was that Google's definition of polished isn't a completely bug free type environment. Granted, alot of that comes from the fact that they're still building the OS, so there's always new enhancements coming and such. I just wouldn't mind the occasional bug fix that brought nothing new, if you get what I'm trying to say.
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From my understanding, this has only been released OTA to Google employees and media review devices, and nobody else. I have yet to see any confirmation from Google they started OTA of FroYo, and a Google Android developer tweeted earlier a sarcastic sounding statement along the lines "Woke up, guess FroYo OTA started today?" and he is one of the top developers at Google.
So, I say just a thought, this isn't the OTA that will be released to the masses... of course could be totally wrong, but it doesn't feel nearly polished enough to be it.
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O Rly?
Google Confirms Froyo Launch: “The roll out to Nexus One devices has begun!”
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First off, it never re-downloaded my apps like so many other people say it did... and yes, I wiped properly, and I even re-flashed from a fresh download. I even went back to a 2.1, and it had my list of downloads(I also have back up setting turned on), come back to 2.2, won't do it... must hate my gmail account or something.
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Funny story... I didn't even know Android re-installed Apps until Vic Gundrota mentioned it during the I/O Keynote Day 2. I had to re-wind, I was like "what? since when??"
Perhaps it's something that doesn't work on rooted phones, but I have never have Android reinstall any apps, ever, including from my G1 days, and from hopping around Nexus One ROMs. When I left Sense UI for 2.2 today, it didn't reinstall apps either, so again my theory is that it doesn't work for rooted users...?
Otherwise, I have no idea, it's never worked for me. Titanium Backup FTW.
As well, it doesn't wake properly... taking me a couple pushes sometimes, perfect other times. And never had this issue before... also doesn't exist when I went back to 2.1 for a moment to test if I was nuts or not.
thirdly, reboot your phone and tell me how your widgets are doing (although this could be the widgets more than the base OS).
Thirdly, maybe related to the second issue, have had a fair number of odd slow downs and freezes here and there while doing nothing major.
Next up, noticed it is taking multiple presses at times to open apps, beyond "normal" in quantity and consistency. Could be part of the odd slow down.
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Hmm, haven't had any of these issues. That sucks
I don't know, this seems VERY polished to me. Coming from the Sense UI, which was of course a hacked port from 2 months ago (Desire source code only released just a few days ago), the scrolling etc is like night and day! Everything just flies and feels like butter.
Aside from SORELY missing my HTC Widgets, I am LOVING FroYo!
First, Android DOES reinstall apps, but only for some reason not when you root and flash a custom ROM, or if you flash a stock ROM after having run a rooted custom ROM. My N1 is stock... I had my original N1 replaced due to dust. When I received my replacement, I logged in and all my apps automatically redownloaded, along with my bookmarks, and saved Wifi networks.
Second, some widgets may not work properly because the devs haven't updated the programs yet. For example, I use SMS Unread Count, and the Gmail widget no longer works, whereas the Dialer and Messaging widgets do. I'm sure it'll be fixed once the devs update their apps.
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First, Android DOES reinstall apps, but only for some reason not when you root and flash a custom ROM, or if you flash a stock ROM after having run a rooted custom ROM. My N1 is stock... I had my original N1 replaced due to dust. When I received my replacement, I logged in and all my apps automatically redownloaded, along with my bookmarks, and saved Wifi networks.
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Ah no wonder!
That would explain why I was surprised when Vic said that was a feature of Android hahaha
So, what is this "stock rom" you speak of?
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Ah no wonder!
That would explain why I was surprised when Vic said that was a feature of Android hahaha
So, what is this "stock rom" you speak of?
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LOL... after constantly "chasing the dragon" with my G1, I decided to stay unrooted and stock with the N1. Unless something REALLY compelling was available for rooted phones, of course, which is certainly not the case thanks to built in tethering and upcoming Apps2SD.
Btw, I have to ask... and you can answer via PM if you prefer... how do you feel after having played with Froyo and Sense on the N1?
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LOL... after constantly "chasing the dragon" with my G1, I decided to stay unrooted and stock with the N1. Unless something REALLY compelling was available for rooted phones, of course, which is certainly not the case thanks to built in tethering and upcoming Apps2SD.
Btw, I have to ask... and you can answer via PM if you prefer... how do you feel after having played with Froyo and Sense on the N1?
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I love FroYo! Flash is amazing.
I can't wait to go into work and show my buds (iphone users) Hulu on my phone! Muwhahahahahahahahahah!!!
And wow, I can finally use Bluetooth now!
I will say though, the main reason I love Sense UI is because of the widgets. I find the whole icons-barfed-all-over-the-screen that Android (and iPhone OS) do *extremely* ugly. That and the stock/downloadable Android widgets are all different sizes, different colors, themes etc.... Disgusting!!!
The Sense UI widgets were elegant, consistent, all the same size, and best of all, extremely functional. I loved easily scrolling through the FriendStream/Twitter widgets; the beautiful weather widget with home screen animations; the stocks/agenda widgets... Just beautiful. A plethora of information at a glance, without even opening an app.
Now looking at the stock Android Twitter/Facebook widgets I'm forced to put on my home screens and seeing only 1 single update, having to press the left and right arrows, and both being different colors (and different colors than the black bar widgets)... Ugh...
After showing off FroYo for a few days, I will probably switch back.
Cyanogen 2.2 + HTC Sense Widgets would be my dream ROM
were we supposed to wipe even if our phone is not rooted? Because I did nit and everything works great but that would make me worry if I was supposed to have wiped.
As for 2.2 I had several bugs on 2.1 that made eclair seem not entirely stable I dont think google has quite the standard youre expecting, of course in my opinion you have every right to hold them to a high standard google themselves constantly takes aim at apple which is very solid software wise. Android to me though seems more capable if less polished, and i think that's better, plus android is young maybe after they get the major updates out of their system they will go back and polish it up. But flash and tether work great for me and ive had less if none of some of the bugs I had as of yesterday, im on top of the world so far!
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were we supposed to wipe even if our phone is not rooted? Because I did nit and everything works great but that would make me worry if I was supposed to have wiped.
As for 2.2 I had several bugs on 2.1 that made eclair seem not entirely stable I dont think google has quite the standard youre expecting, of course in my opinion you have every right to hold them to a high standard google themselves constantly takes aim at apple which is very solid software wise. Android to me though seems more capable if less polished, and i think that's better, plus android is young maybe after they get the major updates out of their system they will go back and polish it up. But flash and tether work great for me and ive had less if none of some of the bugs I had as of yesterday, im on top of the world so far!
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I didnt wipe either and all is well. And I agree about Android's awesome capabilities versus polish. But I still thinks it very polished, only less so than apple i guess, but ill take tether and flash any damn day!
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I love FroYo! Flash is amazing.
I can't wait to go into work and show my buds (iphone users) Hulu on my phone! Muwhahahahahahahahahah!!!
And wow, I can finally use Bluetooth now!
I will say though, the main reason I love Sense UI is because of the widgets. I find the whole icons-barfed-all-over-the-screen that Android (and iPhone OS) do *extremely* ugly. That and the stock/downloadable Android widgets are all different sizes, different colors, themes etc.... Disgusting!!!
The Sense UI widgets were elegant, consistent, all the same size, and best of all, extremely functional. I loved easily scrolling through the FriendStream/Twitter widgets; the beautiful weather widget with home screen animations; the stocks/agenda widgets... Just beautiful. A plethora of information at a glance, without even opening an app.
Now looking at the stock Android Twitter/Facebook widgets I'm forced to put on my home screens and seeing only 1 single update, having to press the left and right arrows, and both being different colors (and different colors than the black bar widgets)... Ugh...
After showing off FroYo for a few days, I will probably switch back.
Cyanogen 2.2 + HTC Sense Widgets would be my dream ROM
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Interesting comments. I was a fan of Sense when I had the G1... but it was just too damn slow. I'm sure it's hot on the N1... but I've been enjoying the stock ROM too much. May have to consider Sense if it becomes fully functional in the future...
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were we supposed to wipe even if our phone is not rooted? Because I did nit and everything works great but that would make me worry if I was supposed to have wiped.
As for 2.2 I had several bugs on 2.1 that made eclair seem not entirely stable I dont think google has quite the standard youre expecting, of course in my opinion you have every right to hold them to a high standard google themselves constantly takes aim at apple which is very solid software wise. Android to me though seems more capable if less polished, and i think that's better, plus android is young maybe after they get the major updates out of their system they will go back and polish it up. But flash and tether work great for me and ive had less if none of some of the bugs I had as of yesterday, im on top of the world so far!
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Nope.. you don't need to wipe if you were unrooted and stock.
Just taking an assessment here of the number of people going back to 2.1 and waiting out the OTA from Sprint.
I am not... I Repeat NOT looking to start a thread over whether or not it's worth it or a good idea. I am not looking to know what problems you are having or solutions you have found. There are a million threads to go over these issues.
Just taking a count here. Perhaps to help me in deciding whether or not its worth it to go through reinstalling all those apps and whatnot based on what the masses seem to be thinking.
OK if you guys want to use this as yet another repository for conversations on the pros and cons and problems you are having when you switch back please feel free...
I already have. For me, di18 runs circles around froyo. I don't think this is the final froyo. It's too goddamn slow and buggy. If it is, then this is the most sorry ass excuse for a final release from samsung/sprint. I'd give it the golden turd award.
P.S. I'm running stock rooted only.
Even if its "buggy" and/or a bit "laggy", froyo let's me do what I want on my phone..so I could bare with it as I have been for like 2 months aready
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No. I've been on the stock rom since I got an epic at the end of October, and this leak is by far the best rom I've used. I have absolutely no problems with this rom whatsoever. The one minor quirk is the screen lag when I open and close my keyboard, the home screen take a second to populate the icons and stuff. Other than that, I really don't have any major problems with this release at all.
DK28 feels like somehow I flashed Windows Mobile 6.5 on my phone. Launcher Pro is buggy and crashes at least several times per day. The phone freezes all the time and i have to mash the home key a hundred times to correct it, and then its vibrating for like 20 seconds registering the previous 100 hits of the home key. The browser is checkerboarding and WTF did my bookmarks go in the browser? Seriously, when you are in the browser, how do you access your bookmarks? They are no where to be found. Random apps are having anywhere from minor to major problems, most of which I fix manually through root explorer and correcting permissions. I did flash it correctly, so its not an issue with that. That said, its a PITA to flash back to DI18 and ive been putting it off. Gonna wait until I am mid throw chucking my phone against a wall, and then I will stop myself and flash back to DI18 that evening.
I guess I'm lucky with DK28. My phone has no ill effects.
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I guess I'm lucky with DK28. My phone has no ill effects.
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Same here. I'm keeping 2.2. It runs faster, smoother, and battery last longer. I have had no app conflicts. I'm came from unrooted stock epic, and just downloaded file from google the day it came out to my phone. Used my phone to change the name of the file, and used stock recovery to update. No probs what so ever.
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Anyone know if can use stock recovery to update to the final release from the leaked version? Thd update.zip method is so easy
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DK28 feels like somehow I flashed Windows Mobile 6.5 on my phone. Launcher Pro is buggy and crashes at least several times per day. The phone freezes all the time and i have to mash the home key a hundred times to correct it, and then its vibrating for like 20 seconds registering the previous 100 hits of the home key. The browser is checkerboarding and WTF did my bookmarks go in the browser? Seriously, when you are in the browser, how do you access your bookmarks? They are no where to be found. Random apps are having anywhere from minor to major problems, most of which I fix manually through root explorer and correcting permissions. I did flash it correctly, so its not an issue with that. That said, its a PITA to flash back to DI18 and ive been putting it off. Gonna wait until I am mid throw chucking my phone against a wall, and then I will stop myself and flash back to DI18 that evening.
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As a former Windows Mobile 6.5 user, I would like you to know that even WM6.5 on a TP2 is much more enjoyable to use than DK28.
That having been said, I went from DK28 back to Epic Experience.
Well a couple of things...
1) I think its funny that this has been viewed (at this point) 111 times, but only 17 people were willing to click yes no or considering it. I guess I should have included an option for those people who never flashed the update to begin with.
2) I updated on the day it was released as well. I had to do the flash back to get the GPS working again, but as of now the only real issue I have appears to be the accelerometer rotation lag.
@JSarella and @muyoso: I also was Stock ROM and rooted before the update and just used the update.zip method. However, I am not sure if that makes a difference with regard to the results of flashing to DK28.
@mxcoldhit: The battery life is amazing. I don't even have to use JuiceDefender, I can keep my screen at a normal brightness, have 2 email accounts pushing all day long, listen to an hour of music, make a couple of calls, play some games/do some light browsing, and still have battery to spare... just incredible to me the difference from 2.1 where I could hardly go a few hours of the day and do anything on the phone (without using JD).
I just felt like my phone was a bit snappier on eclair, and have been considering how much that snappiness is worth to me. I have backed up with CWM, so its not such a hassle, but I do love the battery life, flash support, and general feel of Froyo and know I would miss it as I wait at least 3 weeks for a final release. Also, who knows when an RC2 will be released and how much more careful Sprint will be as they actually caught wind of this one and all the excitement around it... I partially wonder if they did it as a teaser just to get a sense of how the community is feeling or to throw us off the scent of the gingerbread rumor... WHO KNOWS!!! Anywho, thanks to everyone who has responded, and I will keep checking in from time to time to see how it looks and what people are choosing to do based on their own personal experiences with DK28.
Already went back, didn't waste any time.
DK28 has been a great experience for me! Faster, smoother, more responsive than DI18 (or earlier) ever was! Dunno what some of you have done to your phones but DK28 has been running circles around the previous Eclair builds for the Epic 4G. My phone has only been on stock and never rooted. Also did a factory reset prior to DK28 so maybe that's why it has been such an utter joy for me.
Not going back and I'd be an idiot to do so!
I'm staying. I haven't had any problems and this thing runs so smooth now. This probably isn't final, but its close.
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Only issue that i am having is that my gps is trashed and doesn't want to work. I haven't tried to fix it yet i may just wait and see if there will be another update soon. All in all i love it. I would suggest that once flashed do a wipe, that cleared out most of the bugs. Frustrating downloading apps again but worth it.
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Only issue that i am having is that my gps is trashed and doesn't want to work. I haven't tried to fix it yet i may just wait and see if there will be another update soon. All in all i love it. I would suggest that once flashed do a wipe, that cleared out most of the bugs. Frustrating downloading apps again but worth it.
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After this morning I am going to have to go with likely to go back. Over time I am finding more and more bugs with DK28. This morning I was driving to work, I keep my phone linked to my car with bluetooth for slacker radio. Twice it loses it's connection and I was like what the hell.... so I look at my phone and it says 2 missed calls which should have gone through the bluetooth but instead just killed the data connection. Then 5 minutes later my whole notification bar goes green. Not a normal green, a look like a video card crashing green /w lines through it.
I just keep seeming to find random bugs here and there and it is getting a bit annoying. I may just wait it out until Samsung figures this whole froyo thing out.
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DK28 feels like somehow I flashed Windows Mobile 6.5 on my phone. Launcher Pro is buggy and crashes at least several times per day. The phone freezes all the time and i have to mash the home key a hundred times to correct it, and then its vibrating for like 20 seconds registering the previous 100 hits of the home key. The browser is checkerboarding and WTF did my bookmarks go in the browser? Seriously, when you are in the browser, how do you access your bookmarks? They are no where to be found. Random apps are having anywhere from minor to major problems, most of which I fix manually through root explorer and correcting permissions. I did flash it correctly, so its not an issue with that. That said, its a PITA to flash back to DI18 and ive been putting it off. Gonna wait until I am mid throw chucking my phone against a wall, and then I will stop myself and flash back to DI18 that evening.
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LOL! I guess I'm not the only one but I wouldn't go as far to say it is as bad as WinMo 6.5 even though certain things do remind me of my Touch Pro 2. I have realized that this isn't Froyo. It's FRUITCAKE!
I already went back - came from rooted stock, went back unrooted so OTA will work.
My battery SUCKED - I am used to getting a normal day's use with a lot left, I was having to plug in mid afternoon/dinner time. Just like before the 9/30 update and still doing all the tricks to keep battery down, ie airplane toggle, kill all Media, check Wifi status, etc. I HATE to plug in my phone for what I consider normal usage, not high tech, downloading, playing games. I almost returned it in Sept for this, will not go there again.
And GPS did NOT work, no has codes, nothing. I am going on vacation and really need GPS, so that was the final straw.
Liked - phone did seems snappier and faster. changing dock station icons
pics and some programs came up faster
Disliked - email was really slow messaging was different, screens bright was
ok but got popups (might be me and settings)
Didn't have calibration/rotation problems, didn't check camera, no dropped calls
Just lost too much and didn't gain enough to continue. I'm glad those above did well, it could depend on how you use it as well as how it was loaded, no idea, but battery for me was nightmare and unacceptable.
No, not going back unless I have to to get the next update. Battery life is significantly improved and everything is as snappy as it was before, and my gps is working even if it comes on while 4g is connected. No crashes yet and I have been running it since about 5 minutes after the link to the update.zip was posted.
And to access bookmarks in the browser you have to press the button next to the addres bar when a page is not loading. I hope they put it back into the bottom menu though.
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I haven't made up my mind yet. Many of the froyo roms seem to have minor issues here and there, but are otherwise usable.
Returned to stock DI18 yesterday after experiencing glaring issues within less than one day of using EB13. That's a testament to how bad it is. EB13 is definitely not ready for prime time and must've been rushed out with glaringly known issues to appease the public with a 2.2 release. The stability, functionality and feature loss are not worth whatever minor gains in EB13 Froyo 2.2 such as bluetooth voice dialing, in-browser Flash support, etc. For now DI18 is the way to go for stability (record 600+ hours uptime before forced reboot) and for the most part everything work or have work around. Froyo 2.2 update is a failure for Sprint in comparison to T-Mobile Vibrant because theirs actually made improvements and resolve issues.
Method of upgrade was ODIN to stock DI18, run Samsung update for EB13, boot into recover mode, cleared cache and applied factory defaults.
EB13 issues found within a short time span and was concerned what else might surface:
- Instability, phone shut down when clicking on a link in browser
- Video camera live view and recording lag. I use the video camera every day so it was glaringly obvious.
- Graphical glitch in browser when dragging page where a block of the page is offset. This is glaringly obvious too and surprised it got by QA.
- Samsung update hung towards the end on second flash, good thing for old reliable stand-alone ODIN
You should try ODINing to EB13 rather than the Samsung method, most users so far have had a nearly flawless EB13 experience
I think it really depends on the exact methods people are using to upgrade. I haven't had any glaring issues, just some small things that existed on the stock 2.1, like weird button miss presses, some keyboard lag. Just waiting for a good EB13 rom before I say anything is defunct.
I wouldnt go all the way back to eclair....try if u don't like eb13 use dk28 I haven't gone to eb 13 but if I don't like how eb13 rides im going to dk28 especially now with a OC kernal
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If I only had one Epic, I would stay on di18, or a custom ROM based on di18. Since I have 2 Epics, one will stay on di18 and the other will continue to beta test Froyo ROMs. There is little progress between dk28 and EB13. Most of the bugs from dk28 still exist in the latest release. I really hope our devs here can clean this mess up.
Im sad to say. But I just did. The low fps on low light video recording killed EB13 for me. Useless since I go out and do pegan nightime rituals and record the clan meeting. Now instead of having awesome night time videos off me wearing my long night hooded warlock trechcoat, it looks like a disaster video of blurr. How can I continue my rituals with this shat samsung!? Foorrrr shaaaammme!
At first I went back to a rooted/customized DI18. Unfortunately, the damn system update message kept popping up saying that an update was available and needed to install. I eventually got sick of the message and flashed the phone to Froyo using Odin. What do I have to remove to prevent the system update from trying to update my rooted phone?
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At first I went back to a rooted/customized DI18. Unfortunately, the damn system update message kept popping up saying that an update was available and needed to install. I eventually got sick of the message and flashed the phone to Froyo using Odin. What do I have to remove to prevent the system update from trying to update my rooted phone?
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You can delete the system updater.apk in the system/app directory. This will prevent your phone from downloading and prompting you to update.
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Weird, I used the update.zip method of updating my rooted epic from stock and have only had small annoying problems that were today outweighed by the single fact that the gps now locks instantly to within ten feet...indoors.
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Color me lucky?
Used Samsung method after returning to stock. Battery, GPS et al rock solid on EB13. Enjoyed Bonsai, but am now "in the groove" - custom ROM had some nice details, but gaps as well. EB13 is a hi function 4G smarter phone for me!
I did. After the latest issue of losing 4G for 2 days straight I reinstalled eb13 and nothing. I went back to DI18 and 4G came right up, what a shocker.
EDIT: I'm running on midnight ROM eb13 4.0 and with the new wired tether apk posted in the themes and apps area, my phone is running flawlessly! I just had to correct this post.
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I went back. I record videos all the time and that's what killed it for me. Even in still-camera mode the pictures look almost pastel, hate it.
I'll be going back to Eclair. I really didn't like anything froyo had to offer besides the updated youtube app (if I can't get that on 2.1) and flash support.
I just got froyo this morning OTA, went to class, came home and flashed it again hoping to fix my main problems. Didn't work. I just got done wiping my phone, flashing DI18, reboot, flashing EB13, and still it's still messed up.
I really don't care about the camcorder deal because I don't use it often but the laggy sleep/wake and no auto correct are really annoying for me. I only use my epic for browsing here and there and mainly texting/music. Now the audio sounds bad and on top of that my dictionary vanished. I don't even know if anyone else is having this problem because no one seems to say anything about it. Not to mention they changed the call log (the little phone button) and you can't toggle through ringtone volume>vibrate>silent any more with the volume buttons.
Gonna go back to DI18, root, remove system updater(thanks for that tip^), fix the yamaha calibutil thing, and sit happily while I wait for a stable(r) release. What a pain.
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Yup! Sick of it.
Well, I'm done messing with this phone. It has been in a desk drawer for 2 months waiting for an upgrade. Now that it officially has Froyo, I can advertise it as such and sell it on eBay. It's back to the EVO for me until my contract renewal comes up. From there, who knows. I loved the screen but hate the bugs!
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Weird, I used the update.zip method of updating my rooted epic from stock and have only had small annoying problems that were today outweighed by the single fact that the gps now locks instantly to within ten feet...indoors.
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I used that method too and I get gps locks in about 3 SECONDS now.....before I couldnt even get the nav to work...(Turn by turn voice directions were completely gone)
However EB13 is kinda buggy....nothing major yet just a lot of scrolling glitches and such.
im gonna wait for some eb13 roms before abandoning ship
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Im sad to say. But I just did. The low fps on low light video recording killed EB13 for me. Useless since I go out and do pegan nightime rituals and record the clan meeting. Now instead of having awesome night time videos off me wearing my long night hooded warlock trechcoat, it looks like a disaster video of blurr. How can I continue my rituals with this shat samsung!? Foorrrr shaaaammme!
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aaaahhhhhhahahaha!
Sorry, someone had to say it.
In all seriousness, does anyone know how I can get the froyo gmail and that cool call notification bar option onto di18?
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aaaahhhhhhahahaha!
Sorry, someone had to say it.
In all seriousness, does anyone know how I can get the froyo gmail and that cool call notification bar option onto di18?
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Buy another phone.....preferably one not made by Samsung.
eb13 was anything but rushed lol
This is pretty sad. All of the people in this forum griped and moaned and yelled about not having froyo, now that they got it they dont want it. Bunch of kids
Now I dont profess to be an expert, but the low light thing is there, it is a bug and im sure they will fix it. is it a deal breaker? OMG no it isnt.
Well as I found out when my SD card died it also took out my GPS, nothing will make it work again. So I put the phone back to stock, got the ED03 Froyo OTA update and took it into my verizon store, long story short I'm getting another phone tomorrow. I've been rocking on the stock froyo for a few days now and its kinda wierd since I've basically been rooted from day one. For one battery life is horrible with anything turned on, however with everything toggled off my battery life is alot better than any custom ROM or undervolted kernel. I didnt expect that. Phone isnt as laggy and i expected either. Whats really bizarre is when your stock the Market actually WORKS! No matter what I flashed my Market was always laggy, sometimes never worked at all. I usually have to start a download two or three times. This was for any ROM or kernel I tried, I assumed it was normal. Well on stock Froyo, the Market loads immediately, when I click to dowload it downloads and installs immediately. WOW! Now when I get my new phone I'm gona root it , is there anyway to get this good Market performance?
I don't have any market issues on comrom 1.3
My phone performs much better on stock ED03 than Community ROM v1.3. Is there a lot more broken with that ROM than the kernel & status bar?
For the past few days I've also been running stock ED03 with the basic bloat removed and minimal apps installed. Battery life is a bit better, but it's still not great. The phone is typically dead (or screaming for a charger) by the end of the day with normal use.
Everything seems to work with the exception of bluetooth calling (after I hang up) in my car. At first I thought it was those custom kernels causing the issue, but even the stock kernel/ROM does it.
After I hang up a call via bluetooth in my car, the phone crashes and bluetooth crashes which makes the phone hang for a minute or two. I can turn bluetooth off then on to get it to re-connect to the car, but it'll just crash again after the next call is done. Through some reading, I found that Samsung is real shady with their implementation of bluetooth. I can believe it based on our GPS issues, jacked up RIL code, weak wi-fi signal and a lower overall cell signal than other phones.
It's **** like this that keeps me from wanting the SGS II.
I'm out of the loop but it seems as it stands LG is the way to go
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I'm out of the loop but it seems as it stands LG is the way to go
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I don't know I just played with a htc thunderbolt yesterday at a verizon store and that thing is bad ass even without 4g. If us cellular got that phone id be all over it. But from what I hear we getting the moto atrix which I'm not a huge fan of...now that moto xoom tablet on the other hand...if verizon wasn't so damn expensive.... My $.02 haha
As for the stock experience I just flashed back from cm7 to stock and all I got was pissed off haha
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ive had issues with the market in custom roms too. sometimes when i download an app instead of installing it just disappears, and i have to redownload it sometimes more than once to get it to install. but that wont make me go back to stock. custom roms/kernels are waaay better than stock and theres bound to be some issues here and there
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I'm out of the loop but it seems as it stands LG is the way to go
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I had the LG G2x for a little over a week and it wasn't too bad. There were very minor annoying things (which I cannot remember) that reminded me of Samsung, but it wasn't as bad. It was supposed to be stock Android, but a developer soon discovered that it wasn't. It was just themed to appear stock, so I don't think the G2x currently performs as good as say a Cyanogen ROM.
Also, that phone was plagued with that reboot bug. Outside of the reboot bug and the LCD screen, it's not a bad phone. I couldn't keep it because A) the software bugs reminded me of why I don't want another Samsung. I'm not going to buy a phone and put up with that BS again - although, that phone should get heavy dev support soon; B) Maybe it was the 4" screen or the bottom heavy bezel or the bleeding LCD screen, but I felt the phone was too much of a lateral step rather than a step up from the SGS series of phones. I needed more to keep myself satisfied.
LG has the potential to do good, but so far... they're on shaky ground to me. Just like Samsung. They need to fix the reboot issues and stop copying Samsung.
As it stands I will stick it out with my Fascinate till I see a Verizon phone I really like. Which sucks because I don't see any on the horizon that look promising except for maybe the Motorola Targa. When it comes to community efforts there are two reasons I look to them from time to time -- stability and believe it or not BLN
Beware of the LG Revolution when it drops. It's not going to be a "With Google" device, meaning Verizon is probably going to beat and rape it until it's a mere shadow of it's original self.
Running stock ED03, rooted, modified to support cwr, de-binged, de-bloated, and deodexed. I did this all myself, a lot of reading of how to's. Next up I found something on converting rfs to ext4 I hope it easy enough and works well. So far its great, with the prospect of awesome, if file extention Change is doable and improves phone as much as I read about.
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With all due respect to the great developers we have here, the Epic 4g, just as stock, not even rooted, with either launcherpro or my current favorite: go launcher ex, plus whatever apps you want is a very good phone.
If I hadn't rooted my phone, the main difference is that I wouldn't be able to use titaniumbackup to make sure if my phone crashes, I can get my app, calls and messages back. I also restart faster because of my root restart button, but that's both minor and almost the full extent of what my phone can do that the next person on stock cannot do.
Oh, I have a bunch of battery and performance tweaks that I don't even understand in my rom. So my phone probably runs smoother and longer for a given intensity of usage than it did out of the box.
But while I am very thankful to the developers for making this phone much better, I'm also thankful to Samsung and Sprint for giving the developers a lot to work with.
If a person around me pulls out an iphone 4s, it has a smaller, duller, more fragile screen, no keyboard, not as good sound since I have voodoo (that too). For me, my phone that came out a year earlier is just better. In fact, I pretty much have the best phone available with a keyboard. Other than its newer clone on Verizon.
I also think 4" may be the optimal screen size for a phone for me. I'm not excited about my next phone two or so years from now having a 4.5" or bigger screen.
On top of that, not everyone does, but I have my phone on Boost mobile (thanks developers here) and pay $45 a month for unlimited 3g, talk and messages. I'm in cell-phone nirvana by 2011 standards.
Sprint and Samsung got me 75% there and the developers at xda brought me the rest of the way home.
Not incorrect on many counts. I was stock until after Froyo except my 1 month test of DK28. Mainly, I'm in agreement that rooting allows you to tidy up the place and put in fresher decorations.
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Not incorrect on many counts. I was stock until after Froyo except my 1 month test of DK28. Mainly, I'm in agreement that rooting allows you to tidy up the place and put in fresher decorations.
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Being I came from WinMo to the Epic, it was nice to see that you didn't have to run a custom rom just to have the phone work.
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Being I came from WinMo to the Epic, it was nice to see that you didn't have to run a custom rom just to have the phone work.
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Exactly !!! I came from TP2 Windows straight to epic and i loved stock, but with the great developers on here i love all the hacks and mods and roms they do!!!
I still don't have a compelling enough reason to switch from rooted stock EC05, although I've tweaked it plenty. I'm sure many roms are great but there's no killer look or feature that's lured me. The phone will be even better once stock GB hits.
I switched back to stock a few weeks back. A few observations:
Battery life is better than it was with any of the ROMs I was running, particularly the ROMs that weren't SRF 1.2. Signal strength is also better than it was with most of the ROMs.
On the other hand, I've noticed an odd issue where my Epic randomly vibrates (like, two quick pulses) and then either crashes or restarts the launcher. Dunno what this is about or why it happens but it's pretty annoying.
I just recently made the switch back to stock as well.. Sometimes you just miss it.
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I switched back to stock a few weeks back. A few observations:
Battery life is better than it was with any of the ROMs I was running, particularly the ROMs that weren't SRF 1.2. Signal strength is also better than it was with most of the ROMs.
On the other hand, I've noticed an odd issue where my Epic randomly vibrates (like, two quick pulses) and then either crashes or restarts the launcher. Dunno what this is about or why it happens but it's pretty annoying.
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Mine would do that without crashing sometimes on stock.
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On the other hand, I've noticed an odd issue where my Epic randomly vibrates (like, two quick pulses) and then either crashes or restarts the launcher. Dunno what this is about or why it happens but it's pretty annoying.
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i get this on stock and custom. i think it may be related to the sd card?
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Mine would do that without crashing sometimes on stock.
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i get this on stock and custom. i think it may be related to the sd card?
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I don't really recall this happening while rooted. Also, this is a problem that's started happening relatively recently. I was initially running stock for at least six months before ever rooting and I don't recall the Epic ever crashing. I got a bit tired of some of the other issues with ROMs and went back to stock again last month. Maybe I'll get the thing checked out at a Sprint store.
Yes, the Epic is a great phone stock, but a large percentage of your reasoning still great came from modified content.
What I took from your post was was: the stock Epic is a great phone, and the devs at XDA provide the few needed tweaks to fix anything that isn't already perfect with it. That's my opinion as well.
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I don't really recall this happening while rooted. Also, this is a problem that's started happening relatively recently. I was initially running stock for at least six months before ever rooting and I don't recall the Epic ever crashing. I got a bit tired of some of the other issues with ROMs and went back to stock again last month. Maybe I'll get the thing checked out at a Sprint store.
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make sure you take it to the one that "accidently" loads Gingerbread on it