I thought this was an interesting article, albeit short. I wish they went deeper into the story. http://www.bgr.com/2011/01/31/is-this-why-apple-and-google-hate-each-other/
I was wondering, without Google, Apple's iPhone would be missing some key features, like Gmail and Google Maps. What keeps Google tied to Apple? Now that Android has taken off, what would happen if Google pulled the relationship with Apple and stopped supporting the iPhone? Meaning, if you want Gmail, you have to use an Android phone. Would there be incredible backlash against Google, or would Gmail-users ditch their iPhone? Can Google survive on its own?
I think this would be an interesting discussion.
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I thought this was an interesting article, albeit short. I wish they went deeper into the story. http://www.bgr.com/2011/01/31/is-this-why-apple-and-google-hate-each-other/
I was wondering, without Google, Apple's iPhone would be missing some key features, like Gmail and Google Maps. What keeps Google tied to Apple? Now that Android has taken off, what would happen if Google pulled the relationship with Apple and stopped supporting the iPhone? Meaning, if you want Gmail, you have to use an Android phone. Would there be incredible backlash against Google, or would Gmail-users ditch their iPhone? Can Google survive on its own?
I think this would be an interesting discussion.
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I think the issue is that Google wants to make itself the open-source alternative. This has its benefits; it means wider acceptance and ease of developing for its platform but it also means that it cannot simply close off certain apps and prevent them from being utilized on other platforms. Sure, El Goog could stop officially supporting their products on Apple platforms but that would lead to more backlash than benefit. I, myself, love Google. I use Google products (Chrome, Android, Gmail, Google Calendar, Google Maps, Google Navigation, Google Docs, etc.) for pretty much everything. However, I also own two Macbooks because Windows based computers just haven't gotten to the point where I would want to use one again. If Google stopped supporting all Apple platforms, I would have to make the choice between free alternatives to things I can do access otherwise or the two computers I spent a combined three grand on.
In fact, I can honestly say that in spite of my love for Android, if today they announced that Apple products and platforms would no longer receive Google Support, I would go to BB and return both mine and my wife's Nexus S, switch us to Verizon and get iPhones (when they come out).
Essentially, to sum up, my belief is that given the way Google has positioned themselves in the market they cannot simply cast aside a large portion of users in that way, it would be corporate suicide.
Don't think either could alienate each other to that extent.
Besides, there's always Google Mobile - were Gmail to be removed from Apple's Mail app for some reason, it's still accessible via mail.google.com in Safari. But realistically how would (prospective) Apple customers react to that?
Google is better.
i just dont think google would want to lose those valuable iphone customers using their gmail service. even though it competes, having those eyes looking at ads is better than not having those eyes looking at ads.
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What a wonderful, intelligent addition to what was supposed to be an interesting, thought-provoking discussion.
Good answers, guys. Now that I think about it, it was a pretty silly question. It'd be unwise for Google to cut ties. What an interesting relationship they have with Apple, though. They need each other, but are apparently such fierce rivals.
Don't forget. Google is a search company.
you can also take a look at it this way. Google gets a paycheque from Apple for using their services just like microsoft gets one from google and other way around.
There are so many patents and crossed cheques between the companies that it would not make sense to stop doing it now. Next thing you know Microsoft wont let google use their patened mail exchange server and 1/2 the Android users that dont use Gmail all of a sudden hate android. Some **** like that.
They'll keep doing it as long as there is a costumer and someone is makeing money.
I would like to see them apart. I would never throw my money away by buying an apple product.
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you can also take a look at it this way. Google gets a paycheque from Apple for using their services just like microsoft gets one from google and other way around.
There are so many patents and crossed cheques between the companies that it would not make sense to stop doing it now. Next thing you know Microsoft wont let google use their patened mail exchange server and 1/2 the Android users that dont use Gmail all of a sudden hate android. Some **** like that.
They'll keep doing it as long as there is a costumer and someone is makeing money.
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Completely off topic, but yay for POLAND!!!
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I would like to see them apart. I would never throw my money away by buying an apple product.
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That's a rather closed-minded outlook. Have you ever *owned* an apple product? I've never had anything but amazing experiences with their support and I've only ever had to use their support three times in the 5 years I've owned macbooks. Also, recently they replaced the entire keyboard and bezel on my 5 year old macbook simply because it had a cosmetic defect. I brought it in and told them that the keyboard stopped working because I spilled drinks on it and used it heavily for five years and because of the cosmetic defect they replaced it. Free. While I waited. Meanwhile, my wife's Compaq laptop had two major recalls in two years both due to massive motherboard failure and because I was a week late calling about the second I missed the window and they wanted to charge $400 to fix it. Throwing money away on Apply products? More like investing in a product that will be supported long after it is technologically obsolete.
EDIT: I understand I'm going to get called a iFanboy for that but its the truth. They have never done any wrong by me. When it comes to phones, I much prefer Android but I will continue buying Apple computers until they do wrong by me. I'm on my second MacBook (this one Pro) and I only upgraded because I wanted a better screen and the old one was, well, old. Name one other manufacturer that would offer free technical servicing to a machine far out of warranty.
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Open your mind.
it's a symbiotic relationship...
Might I also suggest a topic title change to Apples To Googles.
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What a wonderful, intelligent addition to what was supposed to be an interesting, thought-provoking discussion.
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I am sorry, it was just that, well, Apple vs Google is discussed a lot on the internet. When I read the actual text, I got to admit the question isn't that silly.
Just change the threadtitle.
Somewhat related;
techcrunch.com/2011/01/31/apple-reportedly-blocks-sony-reader-app-could-spell-war-with-kindle/
As noted, you can't purchase within the Kindle app, but this is the power that Apple has over what goes on their phones. The fine line Google must also tread
different business models
I think the reason that they are still so tied together is that they use different business models.
Apple sells hardware; computers, iPhones, or iPads, Apple's goal is to sell hardware.
Google sells advertising, they make their money off of people using their services. The majority of Google's income still comes from selling advertising.
Apple uses Google's services because they are popular and they are the best available. Gmail is the number 2 email service, and maps is superior to any of the other search/ map products available to Apple. What is Apple going to replace Google Maps with if they removed it from iOS, Bing Maps? I just don't see that happening since Google Maps is a superior product (although Microsoft has been improving Bing recently).
Google realizes that the future of computing is increasingly mobile, and they do not want the control of access to that controlled solely by any one company. This is where Android comes into Google's business model. Google's main interest in Android is the same as their other services, Google wants people using the web so they can sell advertising.
Apple is clearly pissed that Android is cutting into Apple's sales of the iPhone and iPad. Google basically doesn't care how you access their services, so long as you are using them.
The two companies have different goals, because of this it is more likely that Apple would replace Google's services on iOS that Google would pull them. I think the closest that Google would get is what we have now with some features restricted for Android such as turn by turn navigation and the Gmail app on Android.
If this even Nexus S related? Why is this in the Nexus S section?
I like my iMac, enjoy my Windows XP netbook, iPod Touch, Android Droid Pro and Android Nexus S.. just sayin' lol.
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Apple rolls out v4.0 of their iPhone OS for dev preview and finally, multitasking will be officially available. Seems like a lot of changes in security, performance and feature updates.
1. Multitasking (apple claims that its going to be best at this, just like copy/paste). They also admit that it might make the phone's performance sluggish.
2. Phone's notification bar now shows if someone requested for its location.
3. Fast App Switching allows an app to save its session and resume from there later.
4. Drag and drop app icons in custom folders. That means you can now have any number of apps. When you run out of space, just create a folder any drag apps into them. (There is something more but i didn't make what Steve was trying to explain.
5. Unified inbox for several mail clients, including fast inbox switching to focus on a specific client. Attachments can now be opened with a third party app. Support for multiple Exchange accounts and some VPN options.
6. iBooks on iPhone.
7. More privileges to developers including interaction with calendar, photo library, quicklook etc. Over 1500 new APIs and a new framework for hardware accelerated math function (called accelerate).
8. Better gaming with social gaming network.
9. iAds, thats delivers mobile advertisements with emotions (I don't know what Steve meant by this).
10. Create playlists, 5x digital zoom, tap to focus on video, gift apps, geotagging, places in the photo app, change the homescreen wallpaper, bluetooth keyboards, spell checker etc.
There are over 100 new updates, these were the only ones revealed at the event.
Some of the features are really funny, like folders, wallpapers, playlists, geotagging, spell checker. What I don't get is that Android already supports all of these features (other than the iCraps) but new versions of Android aren't as anticipated as iPhone's OS. Seems like Google really needs some good marketing strategies.
Yeah I agree.
It annoys me how much of a cult that apple has following its every move. Even if they don't come out with the best product they have so many sheep that will buy their products at the drop of a hat it doesn't matter how inferior their products are. Dunno if I would even want Google followers to become sheep like they are with Apple.
If Google did the same thing and put together keynotes / apple style events and focused on a few particular products then I could see it but there's a big difference between the two: Apple is a hardware company, Google is a advertising company. Hard for Google to have Keynotes about its Android operating system when most of the devices aren't even on the latest version.
Perhaps FroYo will change this...
Is this coming to the current iphone or just for hte next-gen iphone?
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Is this coming to the current iphone or just for hte next-gen iphone?
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Its coming out for current phones this summer...
faraz1992 said:
Its coming out for current phones this summer...
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not every feature. i believe they said multitasking will only be on the new version.
I do believe that Apples announcement is very much an update full of catchup!
Certainly pretty much all features announced android can do natively!
The problem I have and i'm by no means an apple fanboy as I have an N1 and love it sinece coming from my 3GS is that the android implementation needs to be way more polished.
Exchange support for me is a biggy and needs to be much better the HTC Desire ROM is much improved over stock google one for the N1 but still room for improvement.
I would like all my email in one exchange and gmail in one app rather than have to flick between two different apps.
but hey!
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Yeah I agree.
It annoys me how much of a cult that apple has following its every move. Even if they don't come out with the best product they have so many sheep that will buy their products at the drop of a hat it doesn't matter how inferior their products are. Dunno if I would even want Google followers to become sheep like they are with Apple.
If Google did the same thing and put together keynotes / apple style events and focused on a few particular products then I could see it but there's a big difference between the two: Apple is a hardware company, Google is a advertising company. Hard for Google to have Keynotes about its Android operating system when most of the devices aren't even on the latest version.
Perhaps FroYo will change this...
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I agree here, I don't know if I want Android to have slaves around it like Apple - those Apple fanboys tend to get irritating, and hearing Android ones wouldn't be too soothing either..
Google is hiring a marketing manager, OP, let's just hope they don't go overboard. Just enough to bring Android more into the eyes of the public.
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I agree here, I don't know if I want Android to have slaves around it like Apple - those Apple fanboys tend to get irritating, and hearing Android ones wouldn't be too soothing either..
Google is hiring a marketing manager, OP, let's just hope they don't go overboard. Just enough to bring Android more into the eyes of the public.
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Yes, we need to always remind google that it does have flaws, and that it needs improve its core apps.
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not going to buy a nexus 2 unless that phone wows me just like the n1 did.
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not every feature. i believe they said multitasking will only be on the new version.
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multi on 3GS and the 4th gen
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multi on 3GS and the 4th gen
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No multi for 3g??? I thought it had a good processor....
@faraz1992 - Not good enough it would seem.
Looks like iPhone OS 4 is bringing the iPhone up to par with my Nokia 3330 though ;-p
Google really should advertise the Android OS. iPhones are a joke in comparison. Its taken until version 4 to be able to change the home screen?!?! UNBELIEVABLE!
Just sayin'
All of you complaining about fanboys, are acting like fanboys yourselves. So, umm, STFU you morons
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Just sayin'
All of you complaining about fanboys, are acting like fanboys yourselves. So, umm, STFU you morons
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Ooo "stfu", you are definitely not an immature moron. This is an Android section, obviously the people here will have more interest in Android and more hate in Apple. Even if they are acting like fanboys, their statements are quite true.
This fourth OS is nothing too spectacular - many features it contains are already preset in Android, and many other phone that have been out for a while, now just because Apple is announcing it - it is seen as something of amazement..
Why is this posted in nexus forum?
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Thanks for the post. A very interesting topic indeed.
Even with all the problems I've had with my Nexus One (Touch input indexed incorrectly, Phone locking up during phone calls via Google Voice) I doubt I would ever even think about switching back to the iphone much less actually do it.
That said, I believe Google could benefit greatly by adopting 2 apple iphone platform paradigms (say that 3 times fast)
1) A more rigorous app store review process. Too much crap makes it way to the Android app store in my opinion. Google should review each app to ensure it meets certain quality measurements both in interface design and "under the hood". Apple, and thus the iphone platform, benefits greatly from being able to ensure end users that any app they use from their store will work with the phone and will meet apple's very high (almost too high) quality standards. I doubt very many of us can honestly argue that apple doesn't make a product that is great to use. Apple's stuff glistens and people want stuff that glistens...or at least I do!
2) Funnel all payments through Google and then back out to the developers. the iphone app store again benefits greatly from the fact that any purchase you make goes through your iTunes account. You never have to try and fumble around trying to key in a credit card number directly into the phone and you can be sure you information is safe (or at least is only in one database). Simply said, it simplifies the process. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big fan of mass consumerism but the iphone app store, because of what I said in my first item and because of what I stated in the second lends itself greatly to impulse buying or, at the very least, kills having to debate whether you feel like whipping out your credit card, keying all the information in, submitting, worrying about where your data is going, etc. etc. I can buy with confidence. And when I buy I want to be confident about what I'm getting and I want the process to be fast and simple. the iphone app store is fast and simple.
anyway, again a great topic.
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2) Funnel all payments through Google and then back out to the developers. the iphone app store again benefits greatly from the fact that any purchase you make goes through your iTunes account. You never have to try and fumble around trying to key in a credit card number directly into the phone and you can be sure you information is safe (or at least is only in one database). Simply said, it simplifies the process.
anyway, again a great topic.
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But you don't have to type your CC number in to buy an app all the time?
I have my card stored on my google account I just clicked 'buy' or am I misreading your post?
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But you don't have to type your CC number in to buy an app all the time?
I have my card stored on my google account I just clicked 'buy' or am I misreading your post?
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yes...my bad. It was assumed by me that we all know you don't ALWAYS have to type it in. Also, I believe there is a review process in place but again I assumed that we all know it isn't nearly as rigorous as with the iphone app store.
But I do want to add one more thing. Google should be funneling money into XDA!!!! this site and some others like it are the life blood of the android OS and it's popularization and customization. If Google were smart they would fund the development of the XDA site and get the main players involved on the payroll....(this assumes that anyone involved would actually like to be on their payroll. autonomy does have it's own set of niceties)
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Its posted in the nexus one forum so that we can make fun of what apple's newest update has to offer. People going crazy about this update because of features like wallpapers, folders and MULTITASKING, something that first generation android phones were capable of...
Does anyone find it ironic that nearly all HTC phones that are launching as part of the W7 campaign are essentially N1's loaded with w7.
All first gen snapdragons, they all share the N1 styling/materials.
Hopefully we can dual boot w7 due to the similarities. =D
I don't think they are but, I need to see a side by side. I thought most of the new w7 phones had better specs then the n1. But, of we have the best community of any phone out. That is why Google needs to make another dev phone it don't need to be called nexus two......
Check out engadget's front page, mozart,shobert,surround, trophy
Not terribly impressed with the W7 OS. From a UI standpoint, I could see the home screen getting very cluttered and I'm not sure if they have any sort of folder management system either to alleviate that. The multitouch zoom and kinetic scrolling in IE looked fluid but not having text reflow hurts. The Bing app was nice, as was the XBOX Live integration which is cool if you're into that but everything else was very meh. Didn't look awful like previous versions of WinMo but nothing that blew me away either. Still well behind Android and iOS even.
WP7 seems very solid in terms of how it is being handled. I love this quote:
http://twitter.com/edbott/statuses/27039322558
All Windows 7 phones will get updates at same time. Carriers don't get to block. (IOW, this ain't Android)
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I wish Google had the balls to do that.
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I wish Google had the balls to do that.
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Kind of reminds me of my favorite writer online: MG Seigler of TechCrunch
He really is the voice of the people and calls out Google for folding to the carrier demands like a guy with no confidence that gets walked all over by the hot girl (the carriers) that dont care about anyone else but herself
Here is a great article by MG Seigler on Andy Rubin making excuses for Google folding to whatever the carriers demand so that they can stay in bed with the enemy carriers: http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/08/android-carriers/
Google really needs to grow a pair and take control of Android. A carrier holding out an OS update just so they can force up to purchase a new phone might be the norm but that doesn't mean its right or should be tolerated by Google
Google, by definition, can't control android, do you poeple not understand that?
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Google, by definition, can't control android, do you poeple not understand that?
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Damn straight.
JCopernicus said:
Google, by definition, can't control android, do you poeple not understand that?
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That's weird I wonder why I even got heated in my post above
I mean hell... thats the whole reason why I got the Nexus One! to not have to deal with carrier games anymore
You meant to say that they cant control android but wield a mighty big stick with gapps didnt you? I tried cm without gapps, pretty much cuts the nuts right off the little android leaving it ineffectual.
in-ef-fec-tu-al adjective 1 Weak. 2 Without satisfactory or decisive effect. 3 Powerless, impotent. 4 Insufficent to produce the desired result.
MS does something right for once in the smartphone arena. Can't we just give credit when it's due?
Text reflow? As far as I know even in CM I have to double tap the browser page to get it to reflow.
The UI looks sweet as hell and not having to worry about carrier tied updates?
Priceless.
I really didn't like the W7 UI, no place for wallpapers and that it's a very negative thing for me
It had a very nice style IMO. I doubt I'll move from my N1, but it's definitely gonna be an interesting game here on out.
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Kind of reminds me of my favorite writer online: MG Seigler of TechCrunch
He really is the voice of the people and calls out Google for folding to the carrier demands like a guy with no confidence that gets walked all over by the hot girl (the carriers) that dont care about anyone else but herself
Here is a great article by MG Seigler on Andy Rubin making excuses for Google folding to whatever the carriers demand so that they can stay in bed with the enemy carriers: http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/08/android-carriers/
Google really needs to grow a pair and take control of Android. A carrier holding out an OS update just so they can force up to purchase a new phone might be the norm but that doesn't mean its right or should be tolerated by Google
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So do you think you can just build AOSP and dump the result on any phone? No, it has to be tailored per-phone.. What changes there are between phones I wouldn't know, not a rom cook, but I suspect the complexity/time needed ranges from trivial to impossible (HW limitations).
So therefore, Google is not going to build, test, and deploy a build for every Android phone ever made. The carriers have NO INCENTIVE to support older phones.. They have gotten better about this, but they still have no reason to do it honestly, it's not like other industries where hardware sales lose money (printers, game systems, many others) and therefore they need to stretch the users experience with the hardware to the max. Phone sales net the carriers extended contracts and money.
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Actually they can, very easily:
Carrier/Manufacturer: Hey Google, we're going to release a phone with Android 1.5, replace your search with Bing, add some crap-ware, and remove a bunch of useful Android features!
Google: Oh really? Too bad your Android phone won't have Gmail, Google Maps, Google Talk, YouTube, Google Syncing, OR the Android Market!
Carrier/Manufacturer: Hmm...
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Actually they can, very easily:
Carrier/Manufacturer: Hey Google, we're going to release a phone with Android 1.5, replace your search with Bing, add some crap-ware, and remove a bunch of useful Android features!
Google: Oh really? Too bad your Android phone won't have Gmail, Google Maps, Google Talk, YouTube, Google Syncing, OR the Android Market!
Carrier/Manufacturer: Hmm...
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Verizon doesn't seem to care. This does work though it's how android took off. However, not having gapps is more detremental to Google than carriers. At this point in the game android can survive without native Google applications.
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So do you think you can just build AOSP and dump the result on any phone? No, it has to be tailored per-phone.. What changes there are between phones I wouldn't know, not a rom cook, but I suspect the complexity/time needed ranges from trivial to impossible (HW limitations).
So therefore, Google is not going to build, test, and deploy a build for every Android phone ever made. The carriers have NO INCENTIVE to support older phones.. They have gotten better about this, but they still have no reason to do it honestly, it's not like other industries where hardware sales lose money (printers, game systems, many others) and therefore they need to stretch the users experience with the hardware to the max. Phone sales net the carriers extended contracts and money.
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So basically you're justifying carriers holding off hardware updates so that people can dump their 6 month old phone for a new one just to get from 2.1 to 2.2?
That's BS and you know it.
Android gets a new version every other month, and if they do this and leave older users in the dark with carriers blocking updates, Android is NEVER going to be real competition to iOS.
Hardware is just another BS excuse. 2.2 runs fine on even the HTC Dream.
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Android gets a new version every other month, and if they do this and leave older users in the dark with carriers blocking updates, Android is NEVER going to be real competition to iOS.
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Android sold more units in Q2 2010 than iOS, so surely its already real competition?
Is just me or is one of the biggest faults with android the various phone form factors that make it impossible to standardize any accessories? Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to be locked into a single phone running android but it seems the phone manufacturers could maybe design their phones so they have common ports for accessories. I guess we are lucky we at least got a desktop and car dock. Even cars are coming with iphone, ipad docks, you'll never see an android dock.
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Google, from a business perspective, doesn't need to control android.
its not its number one priority. yes it could try to twist the carrier's arms, and yes most would fold, but even if only 1 of the big 4 refuses to fold and stops carrying android devices google losses.
google doesnt make money off of android. it makes money off of ads. it just wants you to watch the ads through its portals. you might say they lose that when carriers choose bing over google, but really most of the ads (in apps, around the web) are controlled by google because google owns the online ad market. in fact, they will make money off of the spread of windows 7 phones as well. they entered the mobile business just to make sure neither apple nor microsoft could cut them out of the mobile internet user base and therefore limit the number of users viewing their ads.
btw we are in the nexus one section of xda, which by definition means you cant complain about waiting for updates and carrier and manufacturer crippling. (ha! see what i did there?)
Alright, I don't know how many threads there are on this, but I'm here just give my 2 cents. I don't own an Nexus S (but am hoping to buy one next week!).
Why Google went to Samsung for this phone:
Most importantly the screen. Obviously Android's main competitor here is Apple and the iPhone. Right now, the only 2 displays that really stand out in the market are the Retina Display, and the sAMOLED from Samsung. Samsung already has the technology and resources to create their competitive Super AMOLED screen, making them perfect for Google's need to compete with the RD.
The GPUs Samsung uses. Another reason why Apple is doing so well is because of the Appstore, and more specifically, the vast amount of games available on it. Gingerbread makes game-developing for android devs more extensive, and with the extremely capable GPUs Samsung is pumping out (GPUs better than that of the iPhone), it makes it a great manufacturer for Google to partner with to show their commitment to gaming.
Samsung's use of the Hummingbird. Google understands that it is more efficient than the Snapdragons, and is showing all manufacturers that Android will start to be shaped around the Hummingbird.
To show its diversity with manufacturers.
I don't think HTC was particularly interested in doing another "Nexus" phone.
Recognize Samsung for its commitment to Android
At the core though, it is all about competing with Apple. Google really needed to put something out there to compete with the iPhone 4 (with the FFC, processor, smoother OS, and gaming), a phone that won't be upgraded for 7-8 months. Yeah there were a lot of facepalms about this device (lack of the microSD slot, no HD recording, etc.), but other than that, this is the best Google can really do at this point. Google has released 2 Nexus phones within one year, so we can be sure that another one will be seen soon, to counter the iPhone 5.
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Alright, I don't know how many threads there are on this, but I'm here just give my 2 cents. I don't own an Nexus S (but am hoping to buy one next week!).
Why Google went to Samsung for this phone:
Most importantly the screen. Obviously Android's main competitor here is Apple and the iPhone. Right now, the only 2 displays that really stand out in the market are the Retina Display, and the sAMOLED from Samsung. Samsung already has the technology and resources to create their competitive Super AMOLED screen, making them perfect for Google's need to compete with the RD.
The GPUs Samsung uses. Another reason why Apple is doing so well is because of the Appstore, and more specifically, the vast amount of games available on it. Gingerbread makes game-developing for android devs more extensive, and with the extremely capable GPUs Samsung is pumping out (GPUs better than that of the iPhone), it makes it a great manufacturer for Google to partner with to show their commitment to gaming.
Samsung's use of the Hummingbird. Google understands that it is more efficient than the Snapdragons, and is showing all manufacturers that Android will start to be shaped around the Hummingbird.
To show its diversity.
I don't think HTC was particularly interested in doing another "Nexus" phone.
Recognize Samsung for its commitment to Android
At the core though, it is all about competing with Apple. Google really needed to put something out there to compete with the iPhone 4 (with the FFC, processor, smoother OS, and gaming), a phone that won't be upgraded for 7-8 months. Yeah there were a lot of facepalms about this device (lack of the microSD slot, no HD recording, etc.), but other than that, this is the best Google can really do at this point. Google has released 2 Nexus phones within one year, so we can be sure that another one will be seen soon, to counter the iPhone 5.
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I dont think its about competing with apple as much as it is showcasing the latest and greatest of the Android OS
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I dont think its about competing with apple as much as it is showcasing the latest and greatest of the Android OS
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it's always about competing with Apple. They showcasing the latest and greatest of Android, to show consumers why they should buy Android phones over other phones (such as the iPhone).
Thank for opening a brand new thread for things being discussed time n time again since last couple of months You observations are warm heartedly welcomed
nearblack said:
it's always about competing with Apple. They showcasing the latest and greatest of Android, to show consumers why they should buy Android phones over other phones (such as the iPhone).
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if it truly was about competition Google would pull all the google apps off the Appstore
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if it truly was about competition Google would pull all the google apps off the Appstore
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it's all about the bottom line. they put their apps on the appstore to spread their brand name. and, the google apps on the appstore don't have all the features that they do on android, and always get updated later.
nearblack said:
it's all about the bottom line. they put their apps on the appstore to spread their brand name. and, the google apps on the appstore don't have all the features that they do on android, and always get updated later.
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i think to truly compete with apple google needs to brand their own hardware, and what i mean by that is Not have any type of other company branding, no Samsung, no HTC none of that just Google Nexus
slowz3r said:
i think to truly compete with apple google needs to brand their own hardware, and what i mean by that is Not have any type of other company branding, no Samsung, no HTC none of that just Google Nexus
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agreed. But I don't think Google plans on doing that anytime soon
nearblack said:
agreed. But I don't think Google plans on doing that anytime soon
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ya sadly
Also there needs to be more exposure of the Android brand, people know Android as "droid" thanks to damn people at verizon
Who says Samsung didn't approach Google?
slowz3r said:
i think to truly compete with apple google needs to brand their own hardware, and what i mean by that is Not have any type of other company branding, no Samsung, no HTC none of that just Google Nexus
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Well if they just made it Google Nexus than i don't think Samsung or HTC or any other manufacturers would want their hardware in it, meaning Google would have to invest millions in factories to produce Google branded hardware. Even if they did all this to produce an actual 'pure (and not just the software)' Nexus it would still sell less than the iPhone because most people going for Android will get something on their current provider because a phone on contract is cheaper than a unlocked phone, whereas iOS seekers only have 1 current phone to go for.
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slowz3r said:
if it truly was about competition Google would pull all the google apps off the Appstore
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Lolwut?
You're forgetting where Google makes the majority of it's money.
Oh yeah, advertising. Lol. Just because Apple is a competitor to "Google Mobile" doesn't make it a competitor to "Google Search". I use Chrome on my Macbook Air. Are you saying Google should stop supporting OS X as well?
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Lolwut?
You're forgetting where Google makes the majority of it's money.
Oh yeah, advertising. Lol. Just because Apple is a competitor to "Google Mobile" doesn't make it a competitor to "Google Search". I use Chrome on my Macbook Air. Are you saying Google should stop supporting OS X as well?
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no, i didnt say anything close to that, what his argument was that Google and Apple are in competition, my response to that was if it was truly a competition why offer some of the hallmarks of Android on an iOS device
slowz3r said:
ya sadly
Also there needs to be more exposure of the Android brand, people know Android as "droid" thanks to damn people at verizon
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****, I know! Its so annoying!
Dumbass: "Well howdy do? You using a Droid phone right there"
Me: "No, its an Android phone"
Dumbass: "oh, like them robots they send into space?"
Me: "-_- really?"
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hansmrtn said:
****, I know! Its so annoying!
Dumbass: "Well howdy do? You using a Droid phone right there"
Me: "No, its an Android phone"
Dumbass: "oh, like them robots they send into space?"
Me: "-_- really?"
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First commercial to that i saw with "Andy the Android" was the Evo commercial
slowz3r said:
ya sadly
Also there needs to be more exposure of the Android brand, people know Android as "droid" thanks to damn people at verizon
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I agree. As an example, I have a not-so-knowledgeable friend who has an iPhone. He was envying the Vibrant I had at the time while *****ing about Apple/AT&T. I told him he should just make the switch to Android and his response was that he "couldn't get a Droid because it is only on Verizon."
It took several minutes to explain that Droid is a brand, Android is an OS, and he could in fact switch to an Android powered device without switching carriers.
So many people still see phones like the Captivate, for example, as being an isolated feature-phone instead of being a full-featured smartphone that is part of the Android ecosystem.
It would be nearly impossible to get device manufacturers and carriers to change their advertising game but I really think Google would benefit greatly from a few solid ad campaigns.
As another example, I absolutely blew my aunts mind when I explained that having 4 completely different phones from different manufacturers in the past 2 years was really not a logistical problem because they all run the same OS and all of my apps/settings/messages/etc could easily be moved from one to the other.
Granted, neophytes and morons are always going to be just that, but there are so many people out there who just don't know any better and think that Apple not only invented the smartphone, but that it's a mobile landscape where it's Apple vs. 1000 little guys and some of them happen to be "powered by Google"
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I agree with more mass advertising. besides the droid commercials, I havent really seen any manufacturers advertise the Android OS, just their hardware (screen size, 4g)
slowz3r said:
i think to truly compete with apple google needs to brand their own hardware, and what i mean by that is Not have any type of other company branding, no Samsung, no HTC none of that just Google Nexus
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I don't think there's too much wrong with a manufacturer's name on a product as long as it doesn't take center stage. On the front of the Nexus S, there is no carrier logo. That's the biggest and most recognizable branding you'll find on a phone nowadays. The only typed-out words we see are on the back cover, and still it only says Google and Samsung in roughly the same font. I think they did a nice job with keeping the phone "plain" in that regard. Also since Google is square in the middle of the cover, I think most peoples eyes will go to that first.
They chose Samsung for profit ! Look at the quantity of Galaxy S that Samsung sold. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Bing is now becoming their default search & map.
Not to knock Bing too badly. If you can put aside any feelings toward Microsoft and some unscrupulous history (data mining Google for instance), it has a nice design, beautiful backgrounds, and an excellent iPad app.
However, when I bought this phone, the reviewers asserted that all I needed to do to replace it with Google was download an app. Ha! I don't care what the quality of the product is, forcing it down my throat left a permanent blemish.
My two cents is that RIM is foolish for jumping into bed with Microsoft and I really do worry about their future.
- Evil Peanut Butter Jelly Froyo
I don't really care for Bing, but at the same time I hardly use Google search or maps. Personally, I'll be taking a good long look at getting a Blackberry when they move to QNX for phones and have a 10" Playbook.
I like my Fascinate but I definitely miss the rock solid push services my numerous BB's had. (At least when the NOC wasn't down lol)
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I just think the whole Bing thing for us is weird. RIM can do what they want but with Verizon doing it with google phones... it's just weird. Like traitorous or something.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7HrYgO6uP4&feature=g-all-u
antmiu2 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7HrYgO6uP4&feature=g-all-u
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Haha, this guy is all about right.
what is motorola? do they exists ?
^ Their Exist in this past years but after what they did i think they will leave the mobile industry and they will be a badmark on the history
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7HrYgO6uP4&feature=g-all-u
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Love the video, and am in total agreement.
twomoses said:
Love the video, and am in total agreement.
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I agree with you.
It's a good video. Comes out hard against Motorola. Are we really supposed to believe that because Motorola is doing this now, saying they're getting it out of the way, that they won't do it again in the future?
But I don't know why more people aren't pointing out that this is a statement on the Android eco-system itself. If this were Samsung or HTC, you could leave the blame on their feet. But Motorola is owned by Google now. This is a move by Google. It's not just Motorola not being able to afford enough developers to create a department to support old phones. It's Google saying they don't want to spend the money keeping a customer base, no matter how loyal they've been.
It really makes me want to leave Android. Unfortunately there are few options out there. I hate Microsoft still left over from hate from the 90's. HP has abandoned webOS. Apple has iOS too restricted so you can't do everything you want. I'll probably stay with Android, just won't have as much a warm fuzzy feeling about it.
I am dropping Motorola even though I was a loyal customer for years over multiple phones. Samsung is out because I had hell of problems with them for a monitor I bought. The stand broke and I had to keep cussing them out for an entire year over the phone, literally, twice a month for a year. Having spent way too much time Googling it, I'm definitely under the impression they' treat problems more lazily than Sony does.
I'll probably go with HTC. I really liked how he mentioned in that video HTC gave a $300 rebate in the past. That was sticking it to Motorola good. I'll have to look into it more myself to make sure, but I'm probably going with HTC.
Samsung, Microsoft, and Yahoo were the only major companies I had issues with before. Now I'm adding Motorola to the list. Samsung and Microsoft are still the worst in my book. But Yahoo and Motorola are bad enough, really don't want to do business with them ever again. And, it really hurts that Google owns Motorola. I use Google for so many things on the web... It's not even like it's an option for me to get rid of Google.
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It's a good video. Comes out hard against Motorola. Are we really supposed to believe that because Motorola is doing this now, saying they're getting it out of the way, that they won't do it again in the future?
But I don't know why more people aren't pointing out that this is a statement on the Android eco-system itself. If this were Samsung or HTC, you could leave the blame on their feet. But Motorola is owned by Google now. This is a move by Google. It's not just Motorola not being able to afford enough developers to create a department to support old phones. It's Google saying they don't want to spend the money keeping a customer base, no matter how loyal they've been.
It really makes me want to leave Android. Unfortunately there are few options out there. I hate Microsoft still left over from hate from the 90's. HP has abandoned webOS. Apple has iOS too restricted so you can't do everything you want. I'll probably stay with Android, just won't have as much a warm fuzzy feeling about it.
I am dropping Motorola even though I was a loyal customer for years over multiple phones. Samsung is out because I had hell of problems with them for a monitor I bought. The stand broke and I had to keep cussing them out for an entire year over the phone, literally, twice a month for a year. Having spent way too much time Googling it, I'm definitely under the impression they' treat problems more lazily than Sony does.
I'll probably go with HTC. I really liked how he mentioned in that video HTC gave a $300 rebate in the past. That was sticking it to Motorola good. I'll have to look into it more myself to make sure, but I'm probably going with HTC.
Samsung, Microsoft, and Yahoo were the only major companies I had issues with before. Now I'm adding Motorola to the list. Samsung and Microsoft are still the worst in my book. But Yahoo and Motorola are bad enough, really don't want to do business with them ever again. And, it really hurts that Google owns Motorola. I use Google for so many things on the web... It's not even like it's an option for me to get rid of Google.
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I share your sentiments regarding most of the things that you have said. Yesterday, I have noticed something about myself that I didn't think about it as much before. I no longer have a desire for new music, not even bothered to see if there is anything out there that I might like and matches my listening taste. I keep listing to my old collections only. I think I've been put off by the Music industry that expose itself as the most vicious entity that is willing to destroy lives in the name of Business.
Equally, the impact of the greed and control the tech industry have shown lately could have eventually put me off to the point even owning the most basic mobile phone is way too much of a hassle.
CSharpHeaven said:
I no longer have a desire for new music, not even bothered to see if there is anything out there that I might like and matches my listening taste. I keep listing to my old collections only. I think I've been put off by the Music industry that expose itself as the most vicious entity that is willing to destroy lives in the name of Business.
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Serves them right-- the record companies are pushing what they think sells, and I wouldn't call it music. Let's put it this way, 99% of the musicians I like are not, how should I say... "aesthetically pleasing". 99% of the schlock pushed by the corporate music industry is based upon image.
But unlike with Motorola, who still makes a good phone, I'm not even remotely interested in what the corporate music industry is pushing these days. I really want to throw my Atrix in the trash because of all this noise. However, I still need it, and I don't exactly have a few hundred to throw away on a new phone
I've have already written in other threads exactly what the guy said in the video, don't buy motorola products ever, they will get the message. It is the only way. These companies only look at the bottom line.
Take a look at HTC's sales since they refused to put out a viable Gingerbread OTA update for their most popular phone ever, the Desire. Still in the toilet.
Edit: Besides I tried the Razr i. No webtop, dodgy screen and the worst version of ICS ever. Pass.