Okay so I've got a theory about Motorola encrypted bootloaders like the ones on DX and Milestone. What I'm looking for is definitive information on the droid x lockout mechanism. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Also, if anyone knows of a broken DX to utilize for this experiment please let me know. It involves a hardware based process so a complete functional phone is not necessary. This method has been known to work with RSA encryption so it shows promise. Thank you.
MrKaz
From what I've heard, the "key" so to speak, in burned into the CPU itself. Its my understanding the only true way to unlock the BL is with Moto's keys, which we wont be getting any time soon. Whatever your plan is, I wish you the best. But we've had roughly 20+ of these threads come and go on here with everyone thinking they can crack it, and nothing ever pans out. Its a matter of the right people with knowledge and the right equipment to do the job, but those things have just not come together yet.
Once again, I wish you the best!
You may want to contact @aliasxerog, @_mrbirdman_, and/or @nenolod on twitter as they have all worked on trying to break/circumvent the bootloader. @P3Droid may be knowledgeable as well.
Yeah, I realize there's been a lot of threads on this. Having read a good deal of them I've determined that for the most part the consensus is that it can't be done, or at least not by any brute force means. However, I'm interested in other ways like signal injection and other hardware based avenues. After all, it is a chip and chips have flaws... Maybe I don't know enough to realize what it would take, and maybe being too stupid to understand that it can't be done is exactly what is required...
Thanks for all your input
MrKaz
MrKazman said:
Yeah, I realize there's been a lot of threads on this. Having read a good deal of them I've determined that for the most part the consensus is that it can't be done, or at least not by any brute force means. However, I'm interested in other ways like signal injection and other hardware based avenues. After all, it is a chip and chips have flaws... Maybe I don't know enough to realize what it would take, and maybe being too stupid to understand that it can't be done is exactly what is required...
Thanks for all your input
MrKaz
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MrKaz,
+1 to your idea. Hey, who knows what will work.. with all that is going on, I wouldn't be surprised if the one idea that works..is some off the wall idea such as a chip flaw... Go for it man... I say take the idea and run with it.
best of luck
Your idea is one that I have been working on. All that needs to happened is find a way to dump the info to a computer and resign or make a dummy key to patch and inject back in.. unfortunately I have yet been able to inject anything because once dumped and cleared it doesn't regonize still active.. blah DX
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Okay so I've got a theory about Motorola encrypted bootloaders like the ones on DX and Milestone. What I'm looking for is definitive information on the droid x lockout mechanism. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Also, if anyone knows of a broken DX to utilize for this experiment please let me know. It involves a hardware based process so a complete functional phone is not necessary. This method has been known to work with RSA encryption so it shows promise. Thank you.
MrKaz
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Is this the electron starvation method that you speak of? From my understanding, that's a server exploit. Not really useful for a DX.
You want to be gamed up with the isht? #milestone-modders on freenode
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You may want to contact @aliasxerog, @_mrbirdman_, and/or @nenolod on twitter as they have all worked on trying to break/circumvent the bootloader. @P3Droid may be knowledgeable as well.
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Boooooooooooooooo...
_mrbirdman_ & nenolod dropped the ball and jumped ship.
P3Droid is better at BS and espionage than development. I mean, who actually uses tranquility? Or hasn't been bricked by it? Beside, what's been the biggest draw TBH has had to their app? The tether patch? If you were me, you'd be LYAO... LOL
As for @aliasxerog, from what I've seen, I've got very little faith that his efforts will pan out. Unless he stops looking to the above mentioned "devs", and starts working with the milestone guys. Especially yakk, who's probably done the most work on the kexec kernel module(Funny, aliasxerog's src makes no mention. He just says he ported it from the milestone efforts.). Yakk hasn't even released all of his code for kexec, so what aliasxerog is working with is incomplete, and certainly not up-to-date. His source doesn't even compile. Not even on my trusty build system that built the first DX overclock kernel module for Froyo, which jumped off JRummy's DX career(Jared didn't even bother to say "hey, mind if I use the module you built?"). Gotta love the DX devs! They bring so much laughter into my life!
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With that said, MrKazman, good luck in your efforts.
http://www.and-developers.com/boot:boot_chain
You may want to take a look at this. I think it's about the milestone, but it is similar to if not the same as the droid x
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Is this the electron starvation method that you speak of? From my understanding, that's a server exploit. Not really useful for a DX.
You want to be gamed up with the isht? #milestone-modders on freenode
Boooooooooooooooo...
_mrbirdman_ & nenolod dropped the ball and jumped ship.
P3Droid is better at BS and espionage than development. I mean, who actually uses tranquility? Or hasn't been bricked by it? Beside, what's been the biggest draw TBH has had to their app? The tether patch? If you were me, you'd be LYAO... LOL
As for @aliasxerog, from what I've seen, I've got very little faith that his efforts will pan out. Unless he stops looking to the above mentioned "devs", and starts working with the milestone guys. Especially yakk, who's probably done the most work on the kexec kernel module(Funny, aliasxerog's src makes no mention. He just says he ported it from the milestone efforts.). Yakk hasn't even released all of his code for kexec, so what aliasxerog is working with is incomplete, and certainly not up-to-date. His source doesn't even compile. Not even on my trusty build system that built the first DX overclock kernel module for Froyo, which jumped off JRummy's DX career(Jared didn't even bother to say "hey, mind if I use the module you built?"). Gotta love the DX devs! They bring so much laughter into my life!
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With that said, MrKazman, good luck in your efforts.
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I love your honesty!
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I love your honesty!
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Beesley doesn't... LOL
http://twitter.com/TheRealBeesley/status/30036655129763840#
@LexusBrian400
build.prop edits vs. Droid X Froyo Overclocking & AP Mode Tethering
Maybe I should put up a donation link, huh? LOL
P.S. I can't help but think your username is a reference to B-Legit's verse on Sideways... Little known fact: The Ambassador himself gave me the handle FreeWELL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YXGvsbSjLw
Didn't notice that you mentioned jared. I rather like him. Let's just leave it at that...
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Update
I'm getting more and more familiar with this situation every day. I'm also starting to realize what a big problem this is. I've spent a good deal of time pouring over the work they're doing with the Milestone which is kind of the same thing but isn't. Nonetheless I applaud the work they do and donate my CPU to Androinc. After that I've been reading and collecting every Block Diagram, Datasheet, Whitepaper, and post about mbmloader, m-shield, omap, and the like. Yeah, its complicated alright. The fact is though that its just a lock. A lock is a system based on deterrent not prevention. Systems built for mass production have accepted flaws to keep costs down. Chips aren't perfect, code is not perfect. Use the weakness against the system and the lock is picked. The more complex the system the more chances to get in....
Eh, I digress...
Anyone wanting to learn more about this let me know.
The search continues....
Kaz
Motorola, I paid for the Hardware. I can handle my own software and security...
The Bootloader has been bypassed, its just that the custom kernel has no drivers to run.
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The Bootloader has been bypassed, its just that the custom kernel has no drivers to run.
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Well ill drive to help out...as long as someone has some snaps on the petro!
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If this is anything like any other locked software, it's based around asymmetric encryption: Motorola HQ has a super-secret key that they use to encrypt their bootloaders, and they put the decryption key on every device, so that only things that are encrypted with their key will be decrypted correctly. The only way we're going to get the encryption key is by sleeping with the CEO of Motorola. It is - by design - not on the device.
The only way to replace the bootloader would be to replace the decryption key with one of our own or by bypassing it completely(using a buffer overflow or something similar).
As much as I want to believe that this can be done, its close to impossible and honestly not worth the persons time to try it, they did a good, well great, job of locking this thing down but ill say that liberty actually makes this feel like a new phone.
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If this is anything like any other locked software, it's based around asymmetric encryption: Motorola HQ has a super-secret key that they use to encrypt their bootloaders, and they put the decryption key on every device, so that only things that are encrypted with their key will be decrypted correctly. The only way we're going to get the encryption key is by sleeping with the CEO of Motorola. It is - by design - not on the device.
The only way to replace the bootloader would be to replace the decryption key with one of our own or by bypassing it completely(using a buffer overflow or something similar).
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Just take one for the team there buddy.... lol
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what does the CEO of motorola look like?
Enjoy
http://mediacenter.motorola.com/Executive-Team/Sanjay-Jha-31da.aspx
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Enjoy
http://mediacenter.motorola.com/Executive-Team/Sanjay-Jha-31da.aspx
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not it *noses*
Related
This is the word on the 4G forum here on XDA! Hope this soon leads to the incredible root but for now ill just be jealous.
Link: http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/24/htc-evo-4g-rooted-in-record-time-video/
P.S. Thanks to anyone working on incredible root.
i was equally as upset hope this helps us out
nevermind if you go to the source: http://grack.com/blog/2010/05/23/root-on-an-htc-evo-4g/
they state "At this time, we believe that this specific exploit cannot be applied to Incredible."
Darn that really sucks
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i was equally as upset hope this helps us out
nevermind if you go to the source: http://grack.com/blog/2010/05/23/root-on-an-htc-evo-4g/
they state "At this time, we believe that this specific exploit cannot be applied to Incredible."
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Boo!
When I read the news on engadget, I had the warm and fuzzies. Same android build. Same sense. CDMA radio. Rooted! What a downer!
How can we get an INC into these guys hands? I'd be willing to donate some cash if it helps.
Dont post this crap in the DEV thread, there are 3 other sectiosn for this on XDA
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Dont post this crap in the DEV thread, there are 3 other sectiosn for this on XDA
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Lol not like it would hurt, that **** already full of spam and beggers haha
it was somthing in the bootloader that found that the incredible does not have. But rest assured that its bieng worked on and im sure we will have root.
nah, it wasn't the bootloader
looks to me like he flashed a leaked image based on where he starts the video and seeing how he doesnt show us the bootloader or anything involving recovery/fastboot. My guess is that since this was an evo prerelease is that someone at htc with the shipping rom weasled a su apk in there while also having the test keys to sign. I never see anyone talking on irc and i assume we are months away from root.
edit: after looking on the website it seems as if they have done deeper work than i assumed. I believe there may be similarities in what they did and what we need. He mentions that he used his linux background and knowldge of hacking bootloaders. maybe something is in store for us unlucky incredible users
nope it has been stated that it will not work for us. And it looks like my bootloader theroy is wrong..... mmmmm i wonder what it could be.
are you judging by this little footnote? "At this time, we believe that this specific exploit cannot be applied to Incredible." - taken from grack.com . If they did anything to the bootloader i would assume an exploit can be derrived from this method. we dont need to use their entire method. From what i hear their bootloader is a higher version than ours which should make it more difficult to crack. If they ever release how they did it Im sure we can find some hope to help us.
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Dont post this crap in the DEV thread, there are 3 other sectiosn for this on XDA
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Knowledge is power and not sure what was up your rear when posting but any bit of information on semi similar phones never hurt anyone. Seeing how this isn't a post about an accessory app theme maybe could go into general but this is more of developmental news then general.
Well, I at least feel better knowing others are going through the same "pain" I am faced with. I'll donate my time and resources (I still don't have the Incredible thx to it being sold out everywhere... maybe I will try the Best Buy closest to me... although they kind of stink, they don't even carry any Apple computers while most ever other BB does) to get this fix0rz for the peeple!
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looks to me like he flashed a leaked image based on where he starts the video and seeing how he doesnt show us the bootloader or anything involving recovery/fastboot. My guess is that since this was an evo prerelease is that someone at htc with the shipping rom weasled a su apk in there while also having the test keys to sign. I never see anyone talking on irc and i assume we are months away from root.
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Nothing to do with test keys, no leaked images. There is no way to modify it to the incredible.
lol, I knew it was going to be rooted before, but I had some hopes it could have been used to help with the root for the Incredible. Oh well, such is life. I'm sure there are some Verizon Android developers that are still working on this....All the give me root and where's the root and other I want root spamming is not going to help with anything other than the continuous spamming of this section.
I really hate this waiting for the Unlockers/Root for any phone as it's nothing but spamming.
Just be patient and it will come. Then it's time for you to show your gratification to the developers for their hardwork that I'm sure most do in their spare time and not as their source of income...
[Insert some more I want root spam after this message]
It is with great humility and panic that i request the god's to bestow upon me the greatest of the Beautiful Sierra Foothill's treasures of the two.two variety. I too have been taken captive by the new bootloader's key's. Is there a gentle soul willing to help one in need.
in all seriousness i can find much less expensive paperweights, any help would be extremely appreciated. ill be looking at that PM box.
Suchanicebrickihave said:
It is with great humility and panic that i request the god's to bestow upon me the greatest of the Beautiful Sierra Foothill's treasures of the two.two variety. I too have been taken captive by the new bootloader's key's. Is there a gentle soul willing to help one in need.
in all seriousness i can find much less expensive paperweights, any help would be extremely appreciated. ill be looking at that PM box.
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Did u try the /system 2.2 "SBF" with RSDlite 4.8 on mydroidworld.com?
It works as long as you did not update to the 2.2 OTA, and THEN try the 2.1 SBF first.
Unfortunately, i was tinkering with the 2.2 OTA, botched it and was recovering to 2.1, hey I've done it about three hundred times, no big deal right. *sigh* I also have tried the partial image to no avail. I'm pretty much toast unless someone takes pity upon me.
I can play the "OTA killed my phone" routine at Verizon and exploit their internal memo but i would rather be able to fix my problems and stay under the radar. no reason to become a statistic supporting why moto wanted to keep us out anyway.
on the bright side i finally got a user name for the XDA forum. Always carrying the name to remind me not to be too quick to do things. Measure once and cut twice right...
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the droid 2 uses the OMAP3630 chip as well. Does anyone think the hardware is similar enough to use firmware from the D2?
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thank you for the quick response.
Suchanicebrickihave said:
Unfortunately, i was tinkering with the 2.2 OTA, botched it and was recovering to 2.1, hey I've done it about three hundred times, no big deal right. *sigh* I also have tried the partial image to no avail. I'm pretty much toast unless someone takes pity upon me.
I can play the "OTA killed my phone" routine at Verizon and exploit their internal memo but i would rather be able to fix my problems and stay under the radar. no reason to become a statistic supporting why moto wanted to keep us out anyway.
on the bright side i finally got a user name for the XDA forum. Always carrying the name to remind me not to be too quick to do things. Measure once and cut twice right...
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the droid 2 uses the OMAP3630 chip as well. Does anyone think the hardware is similar enough to use firmware from the D2?
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thank you for the quick response.
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I would stay away from the Droid 2 firmware, imo.
yeah, but what i do i end up with a more bricked phone
there's only one step down from motobrick as long as it's not on fire i dont think i've gone to far back. i probably wont but I've literally been searching for the sexy beautiful fantasy since the first post... I'm determined the closest I've found is a dead RS link.... i wish moto would supply me with the tools to fix my phone without costing them money and my time.
seriously though the Droid "Motobrick" model is sweet...
sleek sexy and just enough to hold my physics homework down... seriously that what its doing right now... that ampad paper likes to fly away.
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well i dont think ill find a valid SBF on the internets so i might as well try before i try to bring it back to Verizon... i called a random store asking if they the SBF on site and the tech on the phone... well lacked the required knowledge to be of help. I'm sure they wont have the wherewithal to know what happened to that poor droid of mine . I'll let you guys know how the droid2 flash works and/or the Verizon visit
Well, i just found out about two things. People including our own designgears have the stock SBF file http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=11952597#post11952597 but seems like they won't give it to us because they think someone will lose their job.
While we don't want anyone to lose their jobs, i don't think they can trace it back so i really don't understand dg's reasoning in this.
The second thing is that since dg is asking how to flash this thing, i'm guessing he has his atrix (or another atrix) back, since his first motivation in returning it was the lack of the sbf in order to unbrick his device.
DG how about you ask your source for his opinion? Does he really think he can get traced to you? If not, i would guess it would be ok with him to leak this to us.
It's only right to HONOR the source's request. You don't like it? Go find a Motorola contact.
If you think that companies like Moto cant digitally sign software. Oh wait whats that boot loader issue again?
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Well, i just found out about two things. People including our own designgears have the stock SBF file http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=11952597#post11952597 but seems like they won't give it to us because they think someone will lose their job.
While we don't want anyone to lose their jobs, i don't think they can trace it back so i really don't understand dg's reasoning in this.
The second thing is that since dg is asking how to flash this thing, i'm guessing he has his atrix (or another atrix) back, since his first motivation in returning it was the lack of the sbf in order to unbrick his device.
DG how about you ask your source for his opinion? Does he really think he can get traced to you? If not, i would guess it would be ok with him to leak this to us.
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Its clearly stated in the thread, the source does not want the file given out. Mods can we please close this thread before it starts a war over a file thats not being released.
I understand the source wants it kept on the DL... But why even bother giving it out at that point?
That's like someone saying here's a free lambo, but the catch is you can't take it out of the garage so I don't get in trouble.
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I understand the source wants it kept on the DL... But why even bother giving it out at that point?
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Because the Atrix isn't accepting the file through RSD, xoom uses a similar chipset. So hes asking the Xoom devs for help making RSD work. Hes not flaunting hey I got the sbf and you don't.
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Because the Atrix isn't accepting the file through RSD, xoom uses a similar chipset. So hes asking the Xoom devs for help making RSD work. Hes not flaunting hey I got the smf and you don't.
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Oh no I understand DG isn't being an ass or anything, I was just curious.
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Oh no I understand DG isn't being an ass or anything, I was just curious.
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I can promise you, if anything comes out of this. DG will give out all the info he can.
well of course i don't mean to start a war but yes i am curious i thought any sbf file would work with rsd lite and when i started the thread i didn't see an indication that the file didn't work right now. Rather, i was happy because it looks like dg got an atrix back (he even said in another topic that he tested debian on the atrix)
I would understand if the file hasn't been leaked because it didn't work, although dg isn't the only dev and maybe the other guys can make something about it, but the file can't get traced back to the original insider.
Probably just need the right version of RSD lite
sorry i am not a dev i am just curious on dev, what is the significance of a SBF file? is that equalivent of an OS of a pc? where we can wipe the pc clean and load os at will?
it lets you reload your stock os if the phone gets bricked so hard and adb cannot be used. it's basically the #1 reason of why dg returned his phone, because he had the risk to brick his phone and couldn't go back to stock. it seems that he has his phone back which is very nice for us.
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it lets you reload your stock os if the phone gets bricked so hard and adb cannot be used. it's basically the #1 reason of why dg returned his phone, because he had the risk to brick his phone and couldn't go back to stock. it seems that he has his phone back which is very nice for us.
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If you have the SBF and software to flash it, motorola phones become stupidly hard to actually brick. It saved me a couple times on my old backflip
The sbf will, from what I understand, give devs a better idea on how the bootloader works. Hopefully this takes them.one step closer to unlocking it.
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If it's true that DG has his Atrix back, then woot! At least he'll be able to dev much more safely, and won't go through 9999 devices.
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As DG is valued member of the developer community I imagine that someone more or less attempted to bribe him with it to keep his atrix and continue developing. This in no way is meant as a slight against his source or DG.
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As DG is valued member of the developer community I imagine that someone more or less attempted to bribe him with it to keep his atrix and continue developing. This in no way is meant as a slight against his source or DG.
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Yea, I could see someone giving him a bribe especially if they had a captivate before this (been running perception for a llllooonnggg time now). Although I respect the leeks wishes, I do think he/ she is maybe a tad paranoid. I'm sure enough people have access to this at moto that they couldn't trace it back with any amount of certainty.
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well of course i don't mean to start a war but yes i am curious i thought any sbf file would work with rsd lite and when i started the thread i didn't see an indication that the file didn't work right now. Rather, i was happy because it looks like dg got an atrix back (he even said in another topic that he tested debian on the atrix)
I would understand if the file hasn't been leaked because it didn't work, although dg isn't the only dev and maybe the other guys can make something about it, but the file can't get traced back to the original insider.
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Well, i just found out about two things. People including our own designgears have the stock SBF file http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=11952597#post11952597 but seems like they won't give it to us because they think someone will lose their job.
While we don't want anyone to lose their jobs, i don't think they can trace it back so i really don't understand dg's reasoning in this.
The second thing is that since dg is asking how to flash this thing, i'm guessing he has his atrix (or another atrix) back, since his first motivation in returning it was the lack of the sbf in order to unbrick his device.
DG how about you ask your source for his opinion? Does he really think he can get traced to you? If not, i would guess it would be ok with him to leak this to us.
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Yea, I could see someone giving him a bribe especially if they had a captivate before this (been running perception for a llllooonnggg time now). Although I respect the leeks wishes, I do think he/ she is maybe a tad paranoid. I'm sure enough people have access to this at moto that they couldn't trace it back with any amount of certainty.
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Wow, you guys seem to be pretty certain about something you know not much about then again it is not your job that is on the line here. I find it even more interesting that you think because many people have access to it that is difficult to trace. I can tell you from experience depending on the deployment method, you can trace this stuff to a particular machine and user. I personally do not know what motorola is doing but I am glad he is respecting the source wishes.
Back in WM days Microsoft was known for doing this stuff. Many time when you got an internal leaked build, you had to go through it to ensure there were no finger prints. You literaly had to scrub it to ensure traces were gone.
Thread Closed, any sub-sequential threads regarding this will also be closed in respect for DG and his source. Do not press this issue.
Un-root And update download the file from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=975888 and apply. This will give you stock and S-on.
That simple!
Thanks for the info, but the fun is just beginning. This is always good to have just in case you have to return it.
You should be able to load any stock RUU. As long as the hboot and the recovery exist in the RUU, it should return you to a stock condition.
Jaywan, how about a simple root and s-off?
It's simple to make a app run the commands needed to make a one click rooter. And easier to edit a already working rooter to work for this phone. Idk why he don't want the one click released. Took me 30 minutes to root.. maybe he only want people to root using his method. I not gonna step on his toes by posting one tho...
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ok ok, I hear yah. I will just bite the bullet and type in all 90 of the commands tomorrow when I get off work.
BTW, I left the MT4G and came over to verizon also. I went to the SGS4G before I left tmobile. Lack of dev support for that phone made me give it up. Thanks for coming over to the Thunderbolt.
also, take a look at this thread I started. Somethings up with this one click unroot deal.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1004567
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It's simple to make a app run the commands needed to make a one click rooter. And easier to edit a already working rooter to work for this phone. Idk why he don't want the one click released. Took me 30 minutes to root.. maybe he only want people to root using his method. I not gonna step on his toes by posting one tho...
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I heard him meantion he wants people to learn adb so if something happens further down the line they can use it
Seriously I'm with him, the hardest part about adb for me was getting it installed. The root was easy and took 30 min
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For what its worth, he said feel free to post the one clicks, just give credit. I dont honestly care however, copy, paste, seemed simple enough. Was no where near as hard as the original root method for the DInc.
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The only legitimate reason I could buy about not wanting a one click released, is if SOMEHOW it would make our phones vulnerable to some sort if attack.
As background, I've ben using custom roms since my old g1 was new and JesusFreke was just getting started and I dont ever recall ANY dev with holding something that would make the users lives easier. In recent history I've done a ton of flashing roms with both mine and my wifes old vibrants and the only time I used adb was if I wanted to push a file to the phone without mounting it on my computer.
PERSONALLY, this whole mess sounds of ego and elitism. I am incredibly greatful to the devs who have paved the way, but fearful of what they are trying to do. No one should have the right to prevent another from releasing something, it's in gross violation of the gpl. If a dev wants to code something under a different license, fine. However it needs to be clearly annotated as such, and devoid of any gpl work itself. In other words, it basically can't contain anything related to android unless it was developed 100% blind through an emulator.
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I want a chance to review any one clicks before release. I REALLY want new users to understand what they are doing BEFORE they try one clicking.
I want proper md5sum verifications, I want proper warnings, etc.
I already stopped the release (until fixed) of one 1click root that would of been REALLY bad for the community and anyone using it.
Ppl need to stop blaming me for this crud.
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The only legitimate reason I could buy about not wanting a one click released, is if SOMEHOW it would make our phones vulnerable to some sort if attack.
As background, I've ben using custom roms since my old g1 was new and JesusFreke was just getting started and I dont ever recall ANY dev with holding something that would make the users lives easier. In recent history I've done a ton of flashing roms with both mine and my wifes old vibrants and the only time I used adb was if I wanted to push a file to the phone without mounting it on my computer.
PERSONALLY, this whole mess sounds of ego and elitism. I am incredibly greatful to the devs who have paved the way, but fearful of what they are trying to do. No one should have the right to prevent another from releasing something, it's in gross violation of the gpl. If a dev wants to code something under a different license, fine. However it needs to be clearly annotated as such, and devoid of any gpl work itself. In other words, it basically can't contain anything related to android unless it was developed 100% blind through an emulator.
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Are you a troll or do you really believe all that crock you just posted?
The issue with one clicks was an increased risk of bricking with this method. And where does the GPL even come in here at, any GPL code we used as released before the root was even up.?
I stopped a one click from being released today that not only left your phone vulnerable to an attack, but also left you with an outdated, faulty radio and other faulty firmware.
Either you are a troll, have a personal issue with me, or have a seriously problem.
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Can't step on my toes, I got stealtoe boots...
I want a chance to review any one clicks before release. I REALLY want new users to understand what they are doing BEFORE they try one clicking.
I want proper md5sum verifications, I want proper warnings, etc.
I already stopped the release (until fixed) of one 1click root that would of been REALLY bad for the community and anyone using it.
Ppl need to stop blaming me for this crud.
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omfg most of us been rooting since g1 came out THE FIRST DAY come on if modaco was working on this aka paul. like his app visionary he would have it out.... who cares most of us know adb... but i dont want to turn s off i just want root access to remove **** and do a couple mods. why is this such a big fuc88ing deal just release the app and we will all be grateful of who release one click root
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omfg most of us been rooting since g1 came out THE FIRST DAY come on if modaco was working on this aka paul. like his app visionary he would have it out.... who cares most of us know adb... but i dont want to turn s off i just want root access to remove **** and do a couple mods. why is this such a big fuc88ing deal just release the app and we will all be grateful of who release one click root
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o.m.g.
Dude it doesn't work that way on this phone. It is not the G1, z4/visionary/anyonphoneroot does not work, root REQUIRES adb (even with one click).
Fact is, you can't root this phone, temp or perm, one click or not, without ad.
If you can find a way, please do. We are awaiting your one click, root that does not use adb, and is not dangerous.
fyi one click has been released, hours before your post.
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I'm going to cut out all your attacks, because you've clearly missed my point in its entirety and decided to get defensive.
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The issue with one clicks was an increased risk of bricking with this method. And where does the GPL even come in here at, any GPL code we used as released before the root was even up.?
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I brought the GPL in because like it or not, you don't have the right to say who can and cannot release anything regarding "one click" roots UNLESS you yourself made an essential piece of the current rooting method, that is in its entirety your own. To make an analogy, you can't patent (and thus control the distribution) to a Toyota Carolla, simply because you assembled the whole thing from spare parts. If you were to completely design and fabricate a motor vehicle without using off-the-shelf parts you WOULD have that right.
There is nothing personal in my view of this against you, I don't hold any grudges against anyone; but its the mentality here that irritates me, and it just happens that you're the one that posted it:
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I want a chance to review any one clicks before release. I REALLY want new users to understand what they are doing BEFORE they try one clicking.
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I understand you want people to learn; I really do. I've done enough work with computers that I too get really irritated at people who demand answers to questions answered much faster by doing a quick search. I also understand why you want to avoid screw ups because of a poorly made one click. HOWEVER, just because you WANT people to get them cleared through you first; does not mean they HAVE to or that you have a right to demand that they do.
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I stopped a one click from being released today that not only left your phone vulnerable to an attack, but also left you with an outdated, faulty radio and other faulty firmware.
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And thus you've found the wonder of open source software. Sometimes crap gets released. But guess what? Every one of us here are supposed to be adults, or at the very least the authorized users of our phones; which means that if we screw something up, or use something that screws up; its our own damn fault.
The whole purpose of OSS is to allow freedom of ideas and development. I don't know how old you are, or what your experience with OSS outside of Android phones are; but I personally have seen PLENTY of OSS software that started out as utter crap, turn into wonderful software packages. Maybe you're old enough to remember KDE2 vs KDE4, or how about pre v1 Mozilla vs modern versions of Firefox.
I'm not some OSS nutter; I've got no problem with closed source or proprietary software; just a problem with others trying to control things they have no right to.
All that having been said, maybe you DO hold software rights related to some piece of the current rooting method. If so I've seen nothing indicating so, nor anything indicating that any part of the rooting method is not OSS; however if you DO, then you have my apologies, as you would indeed have control over distribution of that specific piece. You still would not be able to prevent distribution of any one click that were released provided they simply had users download your piece separately.
You are missing the point, and obviously did not read anything. This will be my last time wasting time with you until then.
I never said THEY CANT release, I asked them not to, until we had a safer way and time to check it out. Big difference. I stopped one from going out today that would of more or less ruined phones until someone fixed them.
Fact is, MOST of the one clicks I have seen lately, violate the GPL, why don't you go after them, or hell even better we could really use you to go after HTC (in all seriousness).
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I'm going to cut out all your attacks, because you've clearly missed my point in its entirety and decided to get defensive.
I brought the GPL in because like it or not, you don't have the right to say who can and cannot release anything regarding "one click" roots UNLESS you yourself made an essential piece of the current rooting method, that is in its entirety your own. To make an analogy, you can't patent (and thus control the distribution) to a Toyota Carolla, simply because you assembled the whole thing from spare parts. If you were to completely design and fabricate a motor vehicle without using off-the-shelf parts you WOULD have that right.
There is nothing personal in my view of this against you, I don't hold any grudges against anyone; but its the mentality here that irritates me, and it just happens that you're the one that posted it:
I understand you want people to learn; I really do. I've done enough work with computers that I too get really irritated at people who demand answers to questions answered much faster by doing a quick search. I also understand why you want to avoid screw ups because of a poorly made one click. HOWEVER, just because you WANT people to get them cleared through you first; does not mean they HAVE to or that you have a right to demand that they do.
And thus you've found the wonder of open source software. Sometimes crap gets released. But guess what? Every one of us here are supposed to be adults, or at the very least the authorized users of our phones; which means that if we screw something up, or use something that screws up; its our own damn fault.
The whole purpose of OSS is to allow freedom of ideas and development. I don't know how old you are, or what your experience with OSS outside of Android phones are; but I personally have seen PLENTY of OSS software that started out as utter crap, turn into wonderful software packages. Maybe you're old enough to remember KDE2 vs KDE4, or how about pre v1 Mozilla vs modern versions of Firefox.
I'm not some OSS nutter; I've got no problem with closed source or proprietary software; just a problem with others trying to control things they have no right to.
All that having been said, maybe you DO hold software rights related to some piece of the current rooting method. If so I've seen nothing indicating so, nor anything indicating that any part of the rooting method is not OSS; however if you DO, then you have my apologies, as you would indeed have control over distribution of that specific piece. You still would not be able to prevent distribution of any one click that were released provided they simply had users download your piece separately.
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I agree!! If anyone is in violation of GPL license it is HTC.
And once we have that kernel source in the hands of the community amazing things will happen!!
Once the custom kernels start flying you will see the TB doing crazy things. I can only imagine 2GHz speeds or insanely efficient battery life (to name a few)!
ShanDestromp says "And thus you've found the wonder of open source software. Sometimes crap gets released. But guess what? Every one of us here are supposed to be adults, or at the very least the authorized users of our phones; which means that if we screw something up, or use something that screws up; its our own damn fault. "
This has got to be the stupidest statement I have read in a long time, I can guarantee, If you used a 1-click method and it bricked your phone you would be screaming " where's the oversight in this forum, I cant' believe that that mods would allow faulty programming to be posted."
Jcase I for one am glad you are stepping up and doing what needs to be done to prevent a potential $750 brick, thank you sir.
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I never said THEY CANT release, I asked them not to, until we had a safer way and time to check it out. Big difference. I stopped one from going out today that would of more or less ruined phones until someone fixed them.
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I'm not privy to any private conversations, nor do I read every thread here on XDA, so my general impression, which I'm sure is shared based upon what others have said, was of a more explicit "No you cannot," not a "do you mind if I take a peek first". Furthermore, I did not name any one individual "responsible" for any blockade; I only began to interact with you once you brought yourself into the thread. Beyond that, if you go back to my original post, I explicitly thank the people who made root possible at all.
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Fact is, MOST of the one clicks I have seen lately, violate the GPL, why don't you go after them
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For starters I don't know much, if anything about them other than they exist. Unless I personally see something that I think is in violation, I assume good faith. I certainly don't seeking violations.
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or hell even better we could really use you to go after HTC (in all seriousness).
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I'm guessing you're referring to the fact that they didn't release the kernel source as expected this week? I'd mentioned it in another thread, though I don't recall which anymore; but from what I recall of GPLv2 developers have 60 days from the "official" binary release to provide source. To expand on that, HTC has 60 days from when the phone officially went on sale, to provide upon request the source code to any GPL licensed software, however it is version specific. That is to say 60 days from March 17th to make available the source to the firmware that was on the phone when released (since to the best of my knowledge there have been no other OFFICIAL firmware versions released).
Of course any such source will inherently exclude any third party proprietary software, for example if HTC used a closed-source bluetooth stack (not saying they did, just a hypothetical example). Additionally, there isn't any specific method to release stipulated. If HTC wishes they could mail out copies of the source on 3.5" floppies and still be within the rules; and all this assumes GPLv2 is how Android is licensed. If its v3 then I honestly have no clue if any time provisions exist.
I just want to reiterate, I have no ill-will to you nor anyone else. It appears as though the whole issue stems from miscommunication.
As you've probably seen, the2dCour has a very tasty morsel of what's to come for us all. He's one of the many great people in #moto-atrix, including Jug6, Edgan, Sogarth, unknown, Brandon15811, and helpful friends, Pauly, dasmoover, cranch, YellowGTO and more, who have been helping me poke at the Atrix for many weeks. Also, if I know anything at all (I don't) it's thanks to [mbm] and Skrilax and xvilka and the others who implemented the hard work of 2nd init and kexec and beat their head against Motorola's signature chain on the previous generation of phones.
But our biggest thanks go to Motorola. A very friendly 'community-minded engineer' at Motorola posted an interesting message in hex on their support forums yesterday. Turns out, maybe it's no joke after all.
(http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1134786)
This got me to thinking. I was already looking through some of the ascii / hex of the bootloaders. Search for VOID and you'll find something completely new in the HKTW (Hong Kong / Taiwan) build, which is not in the CGs for any prior Atrix bootloader:
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$ strings CG42.img | grep INFO
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INFOUnlocking your device can permanently VOID your warranty.
INFOThis process cannot be reversed. If you wish to proceed,
INFOreissue the unlock OEM command containing the unique ID
INFOof your device:
On Edgan's engineering phone, the HKTW build enables a command you may all be familiar with:
fastboot oem unlock
It looks as if it asks you to issue the command twice, after giving you a unique ID (based on your phone) you must enter in. Surrounding parts of the CG suggest this will wipe your userdata much like a "fastboot -w" currently does. Our hypothesis about the fuses may also be backwards, and it is unlocking which burns a fuse, thus making this an operation which "cannot be reversed."
So, I think we can all look forward to Gingerbread's release for many reasons!!!
PS. Beyond voiding the warranty, or access to support, such an operation could potentially make your phone ineligible for OTAs, future retail .sbfs, etc... and we do not yet know which carriers will get it. So don't get TOO excited
PPS. If this is headed to the official release, I'd like to give a HUGE thanks to Irwin Proud and all the others who petitioned Motorola to make this happen!
But there's no time to rest. Now we must pressure all the carriers!
Confirmed working for AT&T users!! Eval emailed me the good news this morning, so we tried it on leaked GB for the Atrix 4G on AT&T.
http://briefmobile.com/exclusive-atrix-4g-bootloader-unlocked-with-android-2-3-update
I tested it out on my Gingerbread beta builds.
This is excellent news everyone.
Be patient, we need to see if this update hits all our devices, but when it does, I guarantee there will be no shortage of Roms and Mods that will come as a result.
I actually think Motorola may see a spike in sales when 2.3.3 hits their Atrix phones.
Thank you everyone who showed your support for the Unlock Motorola campaign and went out of their way to make their voices heard. Together we stand and together we claim victory.
Thank you Motorola.
Intresting
Yay!
Of course, the question becomes... what next?
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Yay!
Of course, the question becomes... what next?
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Now that Moto's on our side I will (proudly) use my lapdock. How's your awesome Webtop2SD with my mknod sdcard hack going?
But yes, someone must do the much more time-consuming work of porting CM or other AOSP forks. And we have to pray AT&T lets this happen...
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But yes, someone must do the much more time-consuming work of porting CM or other AOSP forks. And we have to pray AT&T lets this happen...
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When this happens, I WILL pinch myself to make sure I'm not dreaming!!
If Bell, lets say, got this and at&t didn't, would we be able to somehow port it?
Swyped from my HoneyGlowed Atrix
Way to guy team This kicks ass!
P.S. the2d is a troll..but a damn good one.
Has this been actually verified, (is there a way to verify on an engineering phone?), as unlocking a bootloader, or is this at the moment still speculation as to what might be possible after the GB update?
Could this just be Moto laying the groundwork for a future update which unlocks the bootloader without us having to do it ourselves voiding warranties, etc?
wakka wakka wakka
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wow! That's awesome news! Can't wait to hear if it's verified.
Verified -- http://briefmobile.com/exclusive-atrix-4g-bootloader-unlocked-with-android-2-3-update
Video in a bit.
kennethpenn said:
Verified -- http://briefmobile.com/exclusive-atrix-4g-bootloader-unlocked-with-android-2-3-update
Video in a bit.
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Im cheesing so hard right now
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Very interesting! Of course, if we have Gingerbread, not much point in CM7 for me, is there an ice cream sandwich or whatever in between or after any time soon from the CyanogenMod bunch?
Cheers!
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Confirmed working for AT&T users!!
http://briefmobile.com/exclusive-atrix-4g-bootloader-unlocked-with-android-2-3-update
I tested it out on my Gingerbread beta builds.
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Holy freakin hell!!! Awesome just awesome!! Can ATT actually stop this from happening though?
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Im cheesing so hard right now
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I have a raging clue right now
Just as I put my Atrix up for sale . Good news if the OTA comes out like this. I'll keep it and see i think!
Now let's get that CWM Recovery on it!